Well, hello ladies and gents. Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. Today I've got special guest Sarah Pugh on the line. She has a PhD in biochemistry and biophysics. And we dive deep, deep, deep into the wonderful world of light therapy, circadian rhythms, proper water consumption, electrons. We talk about grounding. We talk about how the body is able to derive energy from its environment. Very, very interesting conversation, very insightful. I learned a ton.
I've got no doubt that you will take something from this so that further delay, sit back, relax, do the podcast with Sarah and we are live. Sarah, how are you? I'm great. Thanks, Roberts. How are you? I'm doing wonderful. I'm excited to be chatting with you. So you I've got a client, we were talking about this before I hit record, but I've got a client that's following your protocol as it pertains to light therapy, circadian rhythm,
things of that nature. I feel like most people in the space are aware of the fact that our ancestral circadian rhythm, so to speak, is all kinds of jacked up since the advent of screens technology, you know, blue lights, things of that nature. But you've really doubled down on that. So I'd love to just kind of learn more about your protocol, what it consists of, what are some best practices and just kind of flesh that out in great detail if you're if you're willing.
Oh yeah, that would be wonderful. Yes, let's start. Perfect, perfect. How did you get into in the 1st place that where where was your health journey such that you started looking to light therapy circadian rhythms as like a focal point? Well, actually when I did my PhD, I did biophysics, so I already knew that light was something important to do with biology and biochemistry. And also being a research scientist, I had to work in under blue light and around
technology all the time. So that had some of its own issues. But luckily I used to do a lot of sport and I always cycle to work, so I spent a lot of time going in and out of the building because I had to go to other labs and things. So I didn't mess myself up as much as I could have done knowing what I know now. So that's how I sort of first became aware that there was a
link between light and biology. But then it's a really long journey because like with lots of people, as you get older, things start to go wrong, sort of mental health or aches and pain. So I've always been the kind of person that's always looking for answers. And after I was a research scientist, I became a Pilates teacher and that opened me up to sort of more right brained activities like Reiki and acupuncture and Bowen and things
like that. And I never really understood how they worked until I got into sort of biophysics again. Because it's not just about light, it's also about viewing the body not just as a lump of meat, but almost like a quantum computer. That we're almost like this incredibly intricate and complicated quantum electronic being that's powered by light as a signal, but also the way in which we work. It's not just biochemistry, it's
also electrical. And the people in the right brain world would talk about this all the time, but now it's just becoming much more clear scientifically that we're much more than we think we are. So I got back into quantum biology probably about eight years ago because I've bought Dave Asbury's blue blocking glasses just when he was first of starting out. And then I got back into things like red light therapy and then like everything I always have to
know more and more. And, and I did have clients at the time. And anybody who's worked with clients always knows that you get to a point and you just think, I can't help you. I don't know why. I just don't know what I don't know. And once you start getting into light, then you get into things like magnetism and water and stuff that 20 years ago I would have just laughed my head off and thought it was just complete
woo woo. But a lot of things, it's all about experiencing something and feeling better and then being able to work out well, why did this work? And being able to make a protocol that can consistently help other people, but still in line with scientific research, because there's all sorts of research out there if you care to look from anything from light to circadian rhythms to leptin resistance to water to grounding.
So. So luckily there is science to back what I do, but also as you know yourself that sometimes people don't really care about the science. They just want to feel better, look better, think better and sleep better. So that was kind of a a brief intro into how I got from being a scientist to talking to you. No, totally this. This is exciting because me, I'm a I'm a skeptic I guess by default. Like, if it sounds too good to be true, I typically deem it as
not being relevant. And when you start diving into some of the stuff, it does certainly sound woo woo. But I also consider myself, while skeptical, very open minded. And I don't ever want to, you know, discredit something if I haven't done it. I mean, I've, I've got myself in trouble in the past by doing that. So I try to be very open minded.
And when I can tell that people have, you know, had tremendous success with something and that's what they accredited to, like, who am I to say that they're wrong? Like if they've controlled for the variables and they feel confident that that's what has changed, then I mean, who am I? I want to say they're wrong. Maybe they're 100% accurate. And as far as the, you know, circadian rhythm, that makes intuitive sense to me. That makes common sense to me.
You know, if we're in in line with the, the solar patterns when the sunrise, when the sun sets, like if I actually do wake up with the sun and go to sleep with the sun, I always feel better. Like just objectively, subjectively speaking, that's something that I notice. But when it comes to making that an actual, you know, planned, intentional practice, I'd love to kind of put the curtain back
on some of the science there. And a lot of this is is totally new to me. Like I was actually at a chiropractor meeting the other day and he was talking to me about this weird group of people called Butcher. But like breath Aryans or something like that, where they don't eat and they just stare at the sunrise and sunset, which I was super skeptical about. But I mean, I'm assuming there's some some semblance of truth to some of that to something in some degree I would think, right?
Yeah, absolutely. Because that's very strange. You said that I have a Facebook group and I look after clients in it. And we actually were just talking about breatharians because somebody was asking me a question about people who are raw vegan. And these raw vegans happen to live on the beach in Hawaii outside all the time. And like you, I'm very skeptical and questioning, but I won't openly say something's BS. But if there's a lot of money involved in something being sold
to me, I'm wary. But because the sun's free and so is nature and coming in the sea, that's what really appeals to me about the quantum approach, because there isn't any and you can't charge people to sunbathe. So that's what attracted me to it and that's why I like it so much, because it's very difficult to argue with something where nobody profits. And with the breatharians, that's kind of quite a good way to start.
Because when it comes to energy in the body, a lot of people think, you know, it's just I eat food and that's my energy. But we're sort of much more complicated than that. We can imagine that our skins are solar panel and we can gather energy from the sun because the sun emits light and, and electrons to some extent and then lots of hydrogen. So there's energy coming at us and we've got the the capacity to be able to use the energy from the light, the photons.
And if we just get into a very simple physics where we contain a lot of electrons, like I don't even know how many zeros of electrons, but it's like a particle that can carry energy and information around the body. And the more electrons we have, the better our chemical reactions. And it would just, we can just say it's sort of like electric current in the body. And we all know that when our iPhones or devices are running smoothly and efficiently and the battery's charged, all works well.
So that's a little bit like humans, so that sometimes can flummox people a little bit. But there is actually sort of evidence for this. And this is how I sort of moved not away from the food space, but thought, well, hang on a minute, because you brought up breatharians. I there must be sort of energy available in the environment.
And then people like Nikola Tesla and other scientists like Wilheim Reich, and it's been going on for like hundreds of years, people being able to access these sort of energy fields in the body. I thought, well, hang on a minute. I'm not going to laugh at the breatharians because maybe it is possible to get the majority or a lot of your energy from the sun and just to bring it back to sort of daily life and being sensible.
I just did an interview with Doctor Martin Moore, Eid and he's studied circadian rhythms for about 40 years. So he was talking, we were talking a lot about how light influences appetite and if people are inside a lot under blue light or horrible lighting with, with bad energy and information, not the sun, they just eat more. So there is something about being inside and disconnected with nature and having this need to just eat food. Whereas if you're outside and you're grounded.
So when when you ground, people used to think it was just yoga teachers and hippies that did things like that. But you can actually gather electrons from the earth, which is just another way to charge your battery up. And most people do report. Or actually, if I'm outside on the beach a lot and swimming in the sea and it's really sunny, I'm not really interested in food. And, and that's completely correct. If we went into the biochemistry of how light activates certain
appetite suppressing pathways. And then there are numerous studies showing when people work night shifts under blue light or artificial blue light, they eat more. And people have actually set up studies on purpose, measured their blood sugar, their their insulin and all sorts.
And it's just the, the data's so strong, it's nobody disagrees with the fact that when people are under bad lighting, they eat more, they're more insulin resistance, they're more open to all of the other diseases and things associated with insulin resistance. And there's probably a good sort of 30 years of research of this. It started off with something like 3 papers when Doctor Maureed started his studies, I think in the sort of 70s or early 80s.
And now there's, you know, thousands upon thousands. So there is plenty of science behind it, but luckily it's something that people can feel in their own bodies. Then the other thing which we all need to do is sleep. So a lot of people will know that if they sort of have to fly on an airplane or go somewhere and get jet lag and their light and their environment's all different and distorted, they just feel completely out of kilter.
And they can have brain fog and they can have all sorts of unpleasant symptoms. And we've all hope travelled somewhere and felt jet lag. So that's what having a disrupted circadian rhythm feels like. So you can have so-called jet lag or disrupted circadian rhythm all by yourself without the pleasure of travel if we start interfering with the light environment.
So as you mentioned the breatharians and the sunrise to get the party started or to get all of the biological processes beginning to flow properly in the morning, seeing the sunrise would be the trigger to get the body ready for the day. Because the interesting thing about biology is it likes to predict the future and some processes just take time to get going, like the gut or making proteins.
So these light signals help to the body to get ready so that it can make the right hormone or the right enzyme or move the right part of the body at the right time of the day. And it's a bit like you can imagine the body like an airport that everything's very intricately timed. And if you get the timing wrong, like in an airport safe when aeroplane gets delayed or you get stuck in security, it massively messes up everything, same as in the body.
If we have messed up clocks or biological processes, it just opens us up for sort of bad metabolism problems thinking, but also on a more serious note, things like cancer, other illnesses. So that's the sort of timing aspect. And it's pretty well studied. Now all of the actual timings of the body and it does all begin at sunrise because our our timing or our clocks kind of drift throughout the day. And then we need to see the sunrise in the morning, a bit like sort of resetting your
phone if it's sort of got stuck. So that's the first sort of phase that people would do of adopting a circadian rhythm, like completely basic. Then the next thing people need to do is see some UV light and that comes out about an hour after the sunrise. And then we've got the solar noon. That's when there's UVA and UVB light and that's when we can make vitamin D. So that's another really important molecule.
And then ideally we'd want to sort of experience or see the sunset just so the body gets the signals to start to get ready for going to bed because it it's quite hard to just go to sleep. There's a, there's a winding down process and because of our clock timing is based on blue light, as in the blue sky, that when it's blue light and bright, that means we're supposed to be awake. And then when the blue light goes away, we're meant to go to sleep. And that's when melatonin gets made.
And that's part of us being able to go to sleep and stay asleep. But melatonin also does a huge amount of other things during the night, like autophagy and apoptosis and repairing the mitochondria. So it's not just a hormone for going to sleep. We need our sleep and we need to be in the dark to get prepared and healed and ready to get out the next day and do it all over again.
So just in very simple, basic terms, if somebody was completely brand new to this and one of these people, it's like, OK, I believe you that light controls things. Tell me what to do. It would be see the sunrise, get outside sort of in the morning to get the ultraviolet on on you. That's when you sort of make your neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine. It helps to get ready to make melatonin later.
If possible, go out to get some vitamin D from the UVB and then block blue light as soon as the sun's gone down. So that would be things like artificial LED lights, screens going to the having a going to the supermarket or mall at sort of 9:00 PM at night. Because it's like to your brain that would feel like it was 12 noon. So your body would get really confused and mess up your sleep. And that's sort of the very sort of bare bones of the protocol.
But but as you probably know, working, doing what you do often the absolute basics done really, really well is all that people need to do. And then on top of that, it's very easy to over complicate and get shiny new quantum object syndrome. Yeah, Yeah, No, totally. Well, I, I was kind of opened up to all of this. I, like I said, I've had a few people on the podcast talk about, you know, light therapies or catering rhythms in the past.
But like in working with my client, like he, he's an older gentleman and his calories are quite low, but he hasn't reported near the hunger I would expect someone at his caloric intake to have, even with a down regulated metabolic rate. So like in my mind, I'm like, man, you got to be hungry at this intake. Like, like what?
What are you feeling like? He's like, man, I've been getting enough sunlight and I think that's really helped from a satiety standpoint, which just sounded, you know, crazy to me because I'm so used to eating low calories for competitions and being just ravenous at that point, that stage in the in the
diet. So hearing him say that kind of opened my eyes up to it because like if I'm selfishly thinking for myself, if I'm in a prep and I can just simply prioritize more light therapy and that makes the lower calories more tolerable, that would be a huge win and just making the overall process more sustainable. So to look at it from an extreme standpoint with these breatharians, and I'm not suggesting anybody do what they're doing necessarily, but
what is it that they are doing? Like what is a breatharian? And that we can kind of just look at the absolute extreme so people can see what is potentially feasible here. OK, so I have a friend who is a breatharian. But then really they fundamentally they would just use the energy of the Earth. So I already said we can get energy from electrons and then we've got potential to be a
solar panel. And there's also ways to make or have more energy from the water that you drink, like structuring water. So there's a bigger availability of electrons. So it's all about electrons because if we've got enough of those, then the processes in the body are going to run well, just in simple terms.
And the other thing about this, just back to your gentleman, because I mentioned leptin, that this is a light driven circadian hormone that regulates metabolism, body weight, sex hormones, thyroid and all sorts of things. So what you're basically asking is, is it possible to eat less food, get your energy from the sun and grounding, but without messing up all the hormones? Because I've done all sorts of
different ways of eating. And you, being a bodybuilder will know that there's the metabolic crash if you try and starve yourself. And then the hormones take ages to get better again and people can rebound and gain a huge amount of weight. So yes, that would be the sort of simple way to explain it. But also the other thing, the way we can think about it is if we think about the mitochondria, so fundamentally, when we eat food, we're going to get protons
and electrons from the food. That's what the mitochondria wants. So the electrons go down the electron transport chain. So it's like an electric current and then the protons, the H pluses, the hydrogens go down the Atpas, which is like a little motor in the mitochondria and that spins and then ATP can come out. So, so we've got like a little way to make energy that the mitochondria also make water as well.
So that's really important because the way all of this fits together is how on earth can sunlight power us? Well, actually it's our water battery because there's a lot more to water than people think. And this is where this idea of the body being electrical and based on semiconduction and the water matrix with the proteins in it, the hydration is part of
this water battery. So, so we can think that the mitochondria are kind of fundamental for making energy when it comes to say, being outside in UV light, in, in bright light, say like your gentleman, um, we assume he sees the sunrise, which is really important for leptin signaling and thyroid that the pathway. So we'll think, okay, is his metabolic rate and his thyroid and everything are functioning
well due to his light habits. May yes, he could well have a, a lower sort of overall metabolism just because that's what can happen when people are older. So when people go out in the UV light, first of all, it makes alpha MSH, which makes a, a suntan or melanin, but it that also inhibits appetite. And then also the UV light makes things like dopamine and serotonin, which again a sort of appetite, sort of. That they make you feel satisfied and content so that
the desire for food isn't there. And what the other thing that UV light does, it produces nitric oxide. So this can halt the electron transport chain. But because the person's bathing in light, the ATP as can still spin and produce ATP, but it can do it without the need for food electrons. So what what I'm saying is we've got this capacity when there's bright light, the UV be light to be able to use that energy to run our systems. And then we don't have the requirement for the electrons
from the food. So from lots of levels, it's entirely possible for your gentleman to do this. So first of all, the light signals would be able to ensure that he didn't feel hungry. But then from a biological level, his mitochondria can. The Atpas can still spin in the presence of light. So red light will make that spin. There's always red light outside
that. That's what sort of about 50% of the sun is. And then we've got the UV light, which adds on to this to mean that technically he wouldn't need food also when you're outside. And if he's grounded and in red light, that also expands the exclusion zone or the fourth phase or the coherent water. So that would be in simple terms, meaning we're expanding our water battery. So there's easily the potential for him to just function perfectly happily without
requiring food. But just like I do think like you sometimes that of course sort of actual nutrition like minerals and vitamins and things are important. But yes, it is possible to do that. And again, he could always run some lab tests and if he's perfectly happy, you'd probably find that his labs are fine, his leptin's fine, and he says he feels good.
Also, you'd have to ask him about sleeping because that's another thing when people calorie restrict or they are new to a keto diet and they're not used to being in ketosis, they often reports not being able to sleep properly. And you yourself will know that before cutting or during cutting for a competition, it can be harder to sleep because your body just wants you to get out of bed and look for food. And the same with doing fasting over three or four days.
That's when the sleep can become a problem because your body's like, Oh no, you know, you need, you need, you can't be sleeping. You need to be getting up and looking for food. So yes, it's definitely possible. And it's one of these other things. It it, it depends also your on your environments. Because like I was saying, if people are just inside under blue light all day, that's not going to work.
As I said before, there's numerous studies about the artificial light and being around a lot of tech which disrupts the energy systems in the body and people just want to eat food. So that would be a sort of explanation based on what we've been talking about, on how that would be possible. And and to be clear, he he's not a breatharian like I do, I do prescribe him macro. So he is eating some, he's just not near as hungry as I would imagine him to be at his current intake.
But like your friend who is a breatharian, what is that defined as exactly? Like are they consuming food? Like, like how often are they consuming food because they're. Well, The thing is this is a really complicated topic because there are a few so-called breatharians of people that haven't eaten anything for five years. But the breatharians I know, they do juice sometimes.
So it's one of these. This is a really interesting topic because what people say they do online or whatever and what they actually do could be two completely different things. So you'd have to have a secret camera, but really a true breatharian would just function on the ambient energy available, say, well, just say the universe. And as as we know from sort of people who've looked into fasting and mineral loss and stuff like that, and vitamins and the way the body can recycle them.
That's the thing that I don't, I can't get my head round is where they get the nutrients unless their bodies just hold on so tight to all their minerals so that they need less. Yes, but but the breatharians I know that they do drink water and as soon as you start drinking, you're going to start peeing and that's when you'll pee out.
Things like vitamin, C&B, vitamins and particular minerals, unless it's something they definitely build up to it, they don't become a breatharian overnight. They tend to often go vegan, raw vegan juice, and then into breatharianism. So my friend said he didn't just do it overnight. It was sort of a a gradual process. So there's most, there has to be some kind of adaptation where the body just holds on to to the
actual nutrients, the minerals. So whether there are actually, I've never met somebody who I can categorically say there's evidence that they didn't eat anything for four years, although there are sort of documented cases of people who do this. And especially if you go into the Himalayas and when you get into those kind of cultures of the monks, I'm sure that you'll encounter breatharian monks.
But then you're the question is what's the difference between doing a 40 day fast and being a breatharian? Because some of the people I know, they do behave like that, but then they do drink their juices. Yeah. I mean, for me, like I would see, I mean there has been a documented case of someone that I think went like 370 some odd days believe fasting. And to my knowledge, he wasn't doing any of this, you know, circadian protocol or light therapy.
He was just simply fasting. And I do believe he was taking in electrolytes and minerals and things of that nature and staying hydrated. And he had quite a bit of fat to lose. He had quite a bit of fat to tap into for store energy. And I don't think I could rightfully advocate somebody not consume food and solely leverage, you know, light therapy and electrons as their their only source of energy and nutrition.
But I do think that if you tap in in tandem and get your nutrition dialed in and you make the most of their circadian rhythm and light therapy and proper hydration, you can certainly get the most proverbial bang for your buck. Minimize signalings of hunger and improve satiety, have proper hormone function, improved natural melatonin levels. Like all of that makes total sense to me. That is not a far stretch at all.
But I don't think I would ever be able to say or advocate that somebody relies solely on looking at the sunrise and sunset as their only form of nutrition. Oh no, I agree with you. Because our, our brains and our hearts, we, we just, they just need so much ATP that they're the organs that will, will take the whack first if we don't eat.
And also again, living in the environment we do the electrified environment, things like calcium and other minerals are much more likely to be dysregulated and they're not eating on top of that. It is a recipe for sort of osteopenia and osteoporosis. So and, and, and also with the breatharians, they'd have to actually be out. They'd have they, they're outside all day, like they live outside and they sleep on the grass. So they're kind of constantly grounded like a true
breatharian. And also, I know that the person you're referring to wasn't the guy, something like £350. It's quite a famous story and he didn't eat for a whole year. But I don't know what happened next. But then there's also, as you know yourself, the, the risk, risk of sort of terrible catabolism and, and muscle loss. So I think with them, the circadian practices, it's, it's like, it's like anything you mentioned before, taking things
to extremes. And I think the breatharians, the true ones, if they really are doing that, it's too extreme. And I think it's just jeopardising the health of things like hearts and eyes and brains that really do require a huge amount of energy. And that's why humans eat food, because we need like an additional backup source of energy to supply these very sort
of energy hungry organs. But on, on the case of general people in, in society, eating too much is way more of a problem than people being breatharian. So I think for certain adopting the, the light diet per SE and incorporating the grounding and really understanding water
chemistry. There's, there's another level above this, which I won't go into to do with plasma, but I think there's for certain ways to get energy out of our environment, which means for people who are wanting to lose body fat or get ready for a competition or or wedding or they're diabetic or something. I think it's a really, really important tool because it just make, I just think it just makes
the whole process much easier. And that's what it's all about that if people can stick to a way of eating and not be bothered by want wanting food, that's the key to success. And the other important thing about this is if people are inside all day around screens and blue light, it's a terrible dopamine tanking. So it's dropping their dopamine. So straight away they're opening themselves back up to sort of addictions and cravings. And the commonest ones would be
food and sugar. So there's ways to, I wouldn't someone to say manipulates, but there's ways to, to, to optimize your biochemistry using light and water and magnetism to make eating less very easy and not disrupt the hormones and just be able to get on with your daily life. Because when as you know yourself, when you're cutting, it's, it's to be very distracting. Your body's asking for food and you want to work or work out or
do stuff. So for certain, I think it's a really important, an useful tool and and it's not even that complicated and a lot of it doesn't really cost very much money. So that's why I think it's like a win, win on multiple levels. No, totally. I mean, when you stop and think about it like what it advocates is simply what we've evolved doing as a species since the dawn of humanity. Like just be outside, go to bed with the sunset, rise with the sunrise and be in contact with
the earth. Like that's that's good rules live by no matter who you are. Absolutely. And also from a bio mechanics perspective, it is really good for your feet to not be in shoes and also from sort of proprioception that the feet don't want to be locked in a shoe all day. It's they're like a they're like a hand really and they want to interact with the environment.
And when I used to work in in movement, a lot of the times I'd say to people, problems either start in your head and neck and work their way down, or they start in your feet and work their way up. Because like a lot of knee problems aren't really a knee problem. It's a foot problem. So I think there's a lot to be said about walking about without shoes on just for the sake of the foot mechanics, because for any athlete, I'd pretty much say
feet matter a lot. And injuries is what spoils things, not just athletes, but also just the average Joe who likes working out. An injury gets in the way massively. And I would just say retraining your foot mechanics by walking on all kinds of different surfaces that are natural. It's not just about the sort of what we've been talking about. It's also another level, which
is sort of better bio mechanics. And then that's another angle of quantum biology, which is our fascia because when our fascia, the collagen in that's piezoelectric. So when we move about, that can actually produce electrons as well. So there's sort of a bonus to be got from a quantum level by being able to move about better. And the better your feet work, the more sort of you can expand your your movement vocabulary and just do more.
No, I completely agree. Are you, are you barefoot right now as we're recording? Yes, I'm sitting on a, on a, on a Swiss ball. I've actually got grounding shoes on because I nipped out for a quick walk before this and I've got shoes that have got a leather sole with a copper rivet in them. So, so I kind of nipped out to charge up my battery before you, but I'm sitting on a Swiss ball.
I, I do have, I need to assemble a standing desk because when I was living in America, I had a standing desk and as soon as I stood there, I thought, oh, why didn't you buy one of these like 10 years ago? And then when I got back to the UK, I've got I need to like assemble them properly. So yes, mechanics is is also something important. No I totally agree. I'm I'm barefoot right now as well and I I've literally gotten rid of all of my footwear that is not a zero drop wide toe box shoe.
Like all of my footwear is now a zero drop wide toe box because the arch support the narrow toe box that is typical especially in America footwear. Like it's just the worst thing you could be putting on your feet. Oh yes. And then regarding like I was like I was saying that with the overly supportive shoes, they can sort of really restrict foot movement, but also these extra squishy absorbent soles don't actually cushion the blow. They actually make the impact from your heel up into your
sacroiliac joint bigger. So it's like you said, it can take a bit of training to transition from trainers in or either you'd call them sneakers or Nikes or pumps or whatever into barefoot shoes and into just walking about barefoot or in a shoe that's just got a sort of regular leather sole. But how do you feel well since becoming barefoot? Oh, much better. I mean I've always like I've always had an over pronation in flat feet.
So if I'm standing on my feet for any significant period of time, I do have pain, but not near as much now as when I was, you know, wearing traditional shoes with art support and additional cushioning in a narrow toe box. Like I feel much better now having transitioned fully to a
more natural foot pattern. Yeah, I think, I think some of it with the flat feet is a bit like me and glasses that half the time it wasn't that bad anyway and then you give the the foot all this support so it thinks oh I can't be bothered now to support myself. So you actually create or make the problem worse. Same with people and vision because there's lots of benefits.
Back to the light again with removing blue light from your eyes because that damages the, the retinol and the DHA in the eye and, and other structures. But then there's lots of healing combinations of light at sunrise and sunset. So there's blue and we call, we call it there's purple and red, but it it's very gentle. So there's lots of people who've actually improved their eyesight by adopting a quantum lifestyle.
Whereas the whole glasses idea or eyeglasses and contacts as as well is people could have probably improved their vision by themselves. But as soon as you put lenses on, the eye thinks, oh, I can't be bothered now I'll just use the lens. And also lenses or glasses block all of these really important signals coming from the sun. So that that's the other issue that has to be naked eyes as
much as possible. And also if you can, naked body as well to get the full benefit of all the signals from the sun. Yeah, no, I totally agree. On that note, what about tanning beds? Like the tanning beds elicit a similar, you know, like improvement or is that totally different beast altogether? Yeah, that's a good way to transition in because I mentioned everything being energy and information at the beginning.
So the, the energy you get from a sunbed, because they're pretty powerful is probably going to be correct, but the information it's giving the body isn't going to be the same as the sun because you're using ultraviolet light in isolation. So it's separated away from all of the rest of the light spectrum, especially the near infrared. But, but you can use sunbeds and I look for them if I'm going to use one because I live in, in the UK that's got red tubes in
it as well. Because even though it's not a real sun and that's better than just having ultraviolet light because it's not natural just to have ultraviolet light by itself. So there's the intrinsic problem of that. There are benefits to the the sunbeds because vitamin D is so important and making your own, not taking supplements is the way forward just because of the complexity of what vitamin D actually is. And there's about eight or nine different sorts of vitamin D
that our bodies make. So there's the benefit there to get to vitamin D and there's something called Asperti lamp, which is for making vitamin D. It's like a little miniature sunbed that's sort of FDA approved. So it so it definitely does make vitamin D and then people sort of feel better. The other thing which is really important about sunbeds is in the UK at certain times of the year, like January that the year when there's the most mental
health and depression problems. Sometimes with some of my clients, no matter who they are, I'll just say just go and use a sunbed because I've probably inspected all of the ones in my locality and they'll just say oh, and they'll go and say oh, I just felt better instantly. I don't know what happened. I just feel so much better. So I think that it does have value in northern latitudes, sort of.
Canada has sort of bad winters and some of the northern states in the US can be pretty grim in the winds. Like I think Seattle and some of the places like Massachusetts can be quite sort of grey. So I definitely think it's got some uses when you don't have enough UV light from the actual sun because it can be cloudy in the UK even in the summer.
Whereas if somebody lived in somewhere like California or New Mexico or Costa Rica or Australia or something, I think it's not necessary because it's always better to use the sun just because it provides all of the correct information of all of the spectrum. You're grounded when you're outside tanning, whereas you're not grounded in a sunbed. And also the sunbeds and other powerful light devices do produce quite a lot of non-native EMF.
And everything is not just about linear chemical reactions, it's about the field in which we do it in. So if you try and tan in a alien magnetic field in a sunbed, it's just not going to work as well as going out somewhere in nature on a beach away from as much of the technology as possible and tan when you're grounded, it's just going to function better because it's just a much more natural way.
So the information you get from the sun outside in nature in order to sort of make melanin and vitamin D is going to be better. But you can still do it inside if you have to. And I always think with using ultraviolet beds or spurti lamps, if you can do it with a window open and a red light as well, and preferably grounded, that's the best way to do it. But if you live somewhere where it's sunny, it's not necessary. You just use the real thing.
Yeah, no, totally. That makes all kinds of sense when it comes to talking about, you know, tanning, being exposed to sun. It's, it's funny, the more I've learned about nutrition, the more success I've found in doing the opposite of what mainstream society recommends. I think most people probably can attest to them. But as far as sun exposure goes and and tanning beds specifically, traditional thinking is, is really, you know, concerned about the increased risk of skin cancer,
Melanoma, skin cancer, and. They are highly advocating for, you know, sunscreens and, you know, high SPF ratings and things of that nature. Is there any truth to that that you're aware of, or is that just all smoke and mirrors? Yeah, so it's all it's, it's like the sunglasses and the sunblock there isn't that when they actually do all 'cause mortality and studies of people with actually getting sun
exposure. There was something called the Biobank study which was done in the UK on 85,000 people and just hands down the people that were exposed to more natural light and less artificial light, everything was just better. It was like the smoking studies, it was so cut and dry that there was absolutely no doubt. And even when they have studied people with melanomas and things like that, the ones who continue to get sun exposure live longer and usually die of something
different. So the whole thing about the skin cancers are that the problem we're faced with is how do we know it's, you know, the UV light does have the potential to cause cancer, but then it's not really the, the real driving 'cause it's because people are not seeing the sunrise and building a solar calour. So that's when you prepare your
skin to receive UV light. People are wearing sunglasses, which interferes with the way the body is going to receive sunlight because it's not expecting it because it thinks it's dark. And then if people are sat inside all day long and a blue light, that's actually a massive driving cause for for numerous cancers. I don't know the if there's an exact study for melanomas, but there's a huge amount of studies for breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, and the artificial light.
So it's a kind of tricky one because it's such a it's been so ingrained into society. When I interviewed Scott Zimmerman, who's an optics expert and who he's done interesting studies on melatonin and near infrared, he said that also when you put sunblock on, you block the UV light, but then you let more blue and cyan light through and that can or does
cause basal cell carcinomas. And when you start wearing sun cream and blocking vitamin D production, I think you open yourself up to about 25 other cancers now because the data is pretty strong about the link between UVB, vitamin D levels and health and cancer. So yes, unfortunately it is just some people would phrase it as big farmer or whatever, just wanting to make more customers or dermatologists wanting repeat customers. And then again, I mentioned
eyeglasses before. There's obviously the sunglasses companies like Oakley and everything that are massive. So there's, like I said before, about when something has money attached to it, then you have to kind of be really careful about the message and the narrative that's being told. Yeah, totally. It doesn't cost much to just walk around outside naked, huh? Yeah.
I want to talk about water because you've mentioned the importance of water having proper hydration as far as like electrons and and ions and positively charged when it comes to the water that we drink. There is a big push right now for alkaline water. That's what you see in all the gas stations here in the States. Like there's the water bottles that are all advertising is, you know, be an alkaline having proper pH or having additional electrolytes in them.
What do you recommend as far as the the best source of drinking water is concerned? Yes. So first of all, I always use distiller and some people use reverse osmosis and that's kind of similar enough. So I just strip out everything because goodness knows what's in tap water. So I distill it and then I re mineralize. So some people use something called Quinton. It's just a sort of seawater
mineral. I use like sodium, which in like sea salts and potassium, I've got certain brands I really like and then some magnesium and some other minerals. So I make my I re mineralize the water myself with what I want in it. Then if we think about water how it would be naturally in the environment, quite a lot of time it comes thundering down a stream or a mountain so it's being vortexed and it's also outside in the sunlight to be
able to be structured. So very simply, I just would restructure it by putting it in some glass and putting it out in the sun. Once I've re mineralized it, this could go off into a giant rabbit hole because I'm very into water. And I you can also make or buy magnetic vortexes, which would sort of mimic the pattern which water would sort of flow quickly down a stream or a mountain. And this is the work of Victor Schalberg. He was known as the water wizard.
I think he lived about 200 years ago and he was like Nikola Tesla. He was sort of a phenomenally intelligent man with a phenomenal understanding of biophysics. So when it comes to the alkaline water is isn't it doesn't really buy it for me with the the way I would view water because again, water is supposed to contain sort of information. So when you put it back in, out in the sun, again, it's collecting energy and
information from the sun. And then the vortex thing is a particular kind of information and energy you're giving it. Whereas if it's in a plastic bottle sitting in a garage under blue light, I don't really think that's the best way to do things. And when it comes to minerals, it's like anything, when something's mass produced, they're always going to choose the cheapest because they just
want a profit. Whereas if you buy your own salts and minerals that are good quality, you can make your own mineral water that's much better than what you could buy in the shops. And then there are all sorts of other water rabbit holes we could go into, from hydrogen, hydrogen waters to Kangan and all of these things. But that might be just a bit too much because that's getting into the territory of, oh, I have to buy something now.
Whereas it's free to. Distillers are really cheap, minerals are not expensive, and putting your water outside in the sun it is free. So you can do a lot of things without having to buy anything. What's interesting that you mentioned is the, the Canyon water because I didn't have a clue what that was until a week ago. I was in Brazil all last week and my host that we were staying at, he had this Canyon, you know, filtration system.
And I think, I'm assuming man, they were all speaking Portuguese. So I may be totally in the dark here, but I'm pretty sure it's a multi level marketing company and he sells them. That's my that's what I assume is the case, but he was just a huge advocate for it and it tasted great. Like I liked the taste of the water, but I'm assuming that's just aph balanced water. Is that what that device does? Yeah, The thing is it's it's a, it's a hydrogen water generator as well.
But with the Kangan, the person to talk to or listen to is Tyler Le Baron. Because there's study, there's even a study in Pub Med about Kangan water increasing inflammation. And a lot of people who use it too much then start to report gut issues. So personally, I'm not a fan. And then the, the physics in in which the water is electrocuted, if, if you're not using water that's been distilled properly, you can introduce up things like chlorine gas and all sorts of unpleasant things.
So when it, when it comes to making fancy water, if people did want to buy something, then there's the Hydrofix, which makes really good hydrogen water and it's used there's, it's used medically in, in Japan. And then there are probably about I think 2000 studies on the uses of molecular hydrogen and hydrogen water because some of the machines like the Hydra fix and there's other ones that are more expensive again where you can actually inhale the hydrogen as well as drink it.
So for people who want to buy something, I would look into those two machines and avoid the Kangan just because the the actual medical data comes from the the two hydrogen machines that I'm referring to. Because in Japan, using hydrogen as a medicine is massive. They have a different medical system to the US and and the UK. They use medicinal mushrooms all the time for cancer and completely different things are
licensed there. And the Japanese are again like the Germans when it comes to building for something amazing engineering wise, they're the ones who do it like the best. Sunbeds are built by Germans. So that's the route I would look into. I'm pretty sure Kangan is also Japanese, but I would just be wary of it and I would look into the science properly. And, you know, not that I'm telling people what to do because people need to think for themselves when it comes to purchasing machines.
But Doctor Tyler Barron is the person to listen to. He's a very experienced hydrogen researcher. And and what was the the name of that device again? Yeah, there's a, there's a Hydra fix. It's it's called, it's called a hydro fix. And I think the company is wholly hydrogen that sell it. But in order to use it properly, you'd want to get a proper
distiller as well. Because like I was saying, if you put just tap water in these devices, and I said before, goodness knows what's in tap water, probably 40,000 different chemicals and then you're starting to run electric currents and charges and separating atoms. And I mean, I don't understand the physics of it. I can sort of sips grasp it simply the the you have to be careful what you actually put in the machine And also any machines that plug into the mains water supply that make
something special. I would just be careful of that as well just because you you don't know what you're putting into your machine. So it's a hydro fix and holy hydrogen sell it that that's the US vendor that the Japanese make the machine. And then there's AUS vendor and then there's another machine. I don't know which company it is it that's that's much more expensive, but that would be for people who are seeking out hydrogen and hydrogen inhalation
to heal something quite serious. Whereas the Hydra fix is helpful for everybody, but a lot of people find it's massively helpful for illnesses and stuff as well. Well, I'm definitely a big believer in consuming the right water. I mean, the tap water is horrendous. I mean, especially when you look at all the, the, the xenoestrogens and artificial hormones that are in the water, spot all the chemicals like it's not what you want to be putting in your body by any means.
And what I've been using is just a Berkey water filter with like a carbon filter. And then it's got some other filter. I forget what it is. I probably haven't changed the filter in two years. I probably need to do that. But that's just what I've always
used is the Berkey water filter. Yeah, I think the problem with filters, we've got like a a filter company here called Brita and people have, there's lots of studies come out now and it doesn't, they just can't cope with the complexity of things in the water. But the big problem in water is the fluoride, because earlier I was talking about how our body is sort of electrical and we run on semiconductors.
Well, fluoride or fluorine, it's a element, the most electronegative element in the periodic table. So it's going to grab electrons left, right and centre. So it's like having your battery flattened extra quickly. So the fluoride in the water can be a big problem. And that's particularly a problem I think areas like Arizona and California and certain parts of Colorado.
There's just unfortunately, the way that the water flows, it collects a lot of natural fluoride, which isn't a great, but then the water boards go and add a load of fluoride on top of that as well. So getting the fluoride out is a priority as well because it definitely will make people more docile and it will definitely steal your energy. And like you said, there's also, the goodness knows, everybody else's SSRI and HRT and everything in the water and the
xenoestrogens. So I definitely think that looking into distillers and reverse osmosis is like completely clean it and then start again and make the living water like it would have been if it had come from outside. There's also something else to consider with water, which is deuterium, the heavy hydrogen. And the closer you are to the equator, the more deuterium there is going to be naturally
in the water. And deuterium is, I think it's like nought point nought 2% of all the hydrogens, which doesn't sound like a lot. But the problem with deuterium is if it gets into the mitochondria, it's going to break that motor I was talking about earlier, the Atpas. It'll damage that, which then will damage the mitochondria, which will lead to inflammation, which will lead to disease.
And people like Doctor Laszlo Borosch, Doctor Stephanie Saneff, Dr. Gabor Shomoli have been researching this for a long time so that it's called deutenomics. And the other problem with deuterium is that it's can get in get into sort of other places in your body, like for cholesterol for example, if you get deuterated cholesterol, the deuterium is is going to it it, it holds on to molecules tighter
than the hydrogen would. So when you want to go outside and go in the UVB light to make vitamin D, if you've got deuterated cholesterol, the light can't crack it open because it's stuck too, too strongly together to make vitamin D. And also if you've got deuterium in, say, your neurotransmitters or in your melanin, it's slightly different to hydrogen because it's an isotope of hydrogen. So sometimes the body doesn't recognize it properly. It doesn't quite fit into the
receptors. So then your stream of information that we run constantly to run ourselves gets interrupted. And there's a lot of people have known for sort of decades that deuterium is harmful. It's just only in the sort of last decade or so has the research really started to show things like diabetes, cancer, and the links to to deuterium. So that's another really important thing to consider with water, especially in places
closer to the equator. Man, it's just crazy, like all the stuff that we have done as a civilization to make things quote UN quote, easier and more efficient has just removed the natural path that we were likely designed to do from the get go. And as a result, it's resulted in all kinds of, you know, health problems and concerns. So what is somebody like someone listened to this and they're probably going to fight. They need to have a degree in biochemistry.
But if we distill it to the highest level, as you said in the beginning, you know, get outside and watch the sunrise, watch the sunset, get your feet on the ground whenever possible, have as much skin exposure to the sun as possible. And then drink quality water that's ideally distilled that you then re mineralize from a quality source. What are some other low hanging fruits that people can apply, you know, easily and cost effectively?
OK, so, so with, I'll just carry on with deuterium for a moment because I, I didn't also say that in that the foods that are high in deuterium are things which contain glucose, fats very low in deuterium. So I won't go into too much detail because I know what you mean. It might end up being like a biochemistry podcast. But then the deuterium is so important because if you break your mitochondria, then you're stuffed basically. So people get in a big panic about the water, but I just say
hang on a minute. Just remember that when you eat food, the protons or the hydrogens are going to go straight into your mitochondria with the electrons. So the food that people eat is a good way to control deuterium. So with a ketogenic diet and low carb and carnivore and stuff, all of those foods are low in deuterium just because they're predominantly fat based and glucose is high in deuterium and as is fruit. But that's sort of for a reason.
I'll get into in in a moment. And then things like seed oils can be something crazy like over 200 parts per million. So we in terms of numbers, we don't really want our deuterium inside us to get over about 140. So in the 100 and 30s is ideal. So seed oils are a deuterium bomb. So are things like beans, processed foods.
Absolutely dreadful. So in a way people are like, Oh no, I didn't know about deuterium, but I've been keto for ages and I'm like, look, don't worry, you've probably avoided it. And then they sort of get into the water. And then on the other subjects of deuterium, because it's we, we can sweat it out. So again, saunas back to sort of talking about quantum protocols, saunas can help sweat out deuterium.
So can jogging outside in the sun, because when we exposed to UV light that makes us sweat, it brings the blood up to the surface. So the, the sunnier place that you live in, even though there's more deuterium closer to the equator, there's more sun. So, so you've got a better chance of depleting it and the better your circadian rhythm is, the better you'll just remove or detox anything.
And also, we're meant to be in ketosis when we sleep and that's another time your body will deplete deuterium. So that would be sort of the very simple low hanging fruit, the deuterium. So people who have saunas anyway, that's going to be helpful. People who avoid processed food and predominantly avoid carbs, again, you're avoiding the deuterium.
And it's quite interesting that when you sweat in a sauna, it's not quite the same as sweating when you exercise because in one, you're in a sympathetic state in your nervous system, like fight or flight for exercise, which is normal. And then in a sauna it's parasympathetic.
So, So what I would say the sort of low hanging fruit would be if somebody never tried saunas before that that would be something to experiment with or people who've sort of fallen off the exercise wagon maybe to get back on it again to sweat out a bit of deuterium. And then as far as the saunas go, are you an advocate for traditional saunas that do get hotter or the, you know, red light therapy saunas? Well, I'd say one that makes you actually produce some sweat and
water. But on the other hand, say if you you're in somewhere like Georgia or sort of Arizona or whatever, or certain other places where it's really hot, even European places like Crete and Cyprus, just being in that environment is enough is going to make you sweat as well. So you you don't necessarily need a sauna, but I don't know your your audience could be listening from all over the
world. So if it's not sunny, I would look for a sauna and if and if it is sunny way you are to embrace sort of getting hot and sweaty outside in the sun that that will deplete deuterium and that there's a link between how deuterium and light interact. But that's kind of a bit too out there for people. I think it's again, I'm all about just tell people what something is, but don't make it too simple that it's does it's not right anymore.
But then just tell them what they can do practically to deal with the problem you've just told them about. Yeah, 100%. Is there like a a test that one can do to see their personal levels of deuterium at the moment? Yeah, yes, it was if the company is like water in the in the US and if there are, if people are listening from outside the US that they have to use a different company in Hungary, that's where Gabor Shomley and Laszlo Boroscha. So that's a big issue.
There's a bottleneck in the testing facilities. But light Water Scientific is where you would go to get a deuterium test and you can also buy deuterium depleted water. So that's water that's very, very low in deuterium and you'd cut your own water with that and effectively flush some of the deuterium out of your body using the water. And, and in Europe, deuterium depleted waters, a licensed pharmaceutical for use in animal medicine for cancer.
We just have different rules to to other places again. So there's plenty of studies about deuterium depleted water and cancer and health and mitochondria. So for the people that want to invest in something, there's a deuterium depleted water. But just drinking the water alone and not in just eating loads of carbs and processed food and not moving about this dog, it doesn't work like that
as you have to do both. But for people who are thinking, oh, you know, I want to do like a fitness thing, I'll change my way of eating. I'll adopt some new habits. I'm going to do the circadian and I'm going to buy some deuterium depleted water as well. Because sometimes if people invest in something because the water is is costly but not ridiculously expensive.
But often if people invest financially in something, they're going to do all of the rest of the lifestyle things as well because they bought an expensive supplement or they bought some fancy water. So that's sort of my rationale around that, the water, because I don't believe there's a magic anything. And some people who love deuterium depleted water might say, Oh yes, well, you know, you can just drink the water and everything all get better. Yeah, maybe it will for some people.
But I just think always you want to have a multi pronged approach to things. But what I do, I do personally use the deuterium depleted water. I do like it and I think it's useful. It's definitely a useful tool for a wide variety of people in Light Water. I know, I know, Victor, the CEO, It's definitely something that athletes are using, but athletes are very secretive. They don't like other athletes to know what they're using in case everybody starts using it.
Yeah, no, totally. So as it pertains to you personally, I mean, you're you're doing the ketogenic diet, you're not eating processed foods and sugars. You're doing everything right from a circadian standpoint. You're drinking the right water. Did did you do all of this kind of in tandem simultaneously, or did you kind of break it into
stages? And if So, what did you notice in how you personally felt and performed when you started focusing on getting the light and water components dialed in? All right, Well, I suppose with the ketogenic diet that was like a massive journey of just doing it wrong loads of times over. But then I trained in medical ketogenic diets and then with my own ketogenic diet. I don't live somewhere very sunny, but I do when things grow. Just so I'm being honest with people.
I do eat my own fruit out of my own garden and I like picking wild things to eat. But other than that I would just call that circadian keto because it's sort of cyclical. I don't eat the fruit every day, but in the summer because it's around, I just slightly and probably shift more into a more
low carb. But fundamentally, you know, I definitely personally avoid processed foods, not just because of the uterium, they've also got sort of too much iron in them, a bit chemical iron and too much iron suffocates the mitochondria. And there's all sorts of other reasons I could go into of, of why I would just avoid anything from a factory. So that definitely, I've definitely found that was beneficial, but there was still
more. And then when I really took it seriously, because during the pandemic, we were all supposed to be sitting inside. So I started an Internet business and just got really obsessed with it and, and just got manically crazy. And the Internet business did really well, but I was basically just sitting around light blue light all the time because I kind of knew I shouldn't be doing it, but just couldn't stop myself. And then, then I just had to just think, right, this is, this
is, this has to stop. And that's when I really took the sunrises and everything really seriously. And then I could, you know, sleep again. I wasn't crazy and stressed and depressed and anxious and all the other things. And then with the grounding, that's just something that bit by bit I've just incorporated more and more because I, I got to the phase where I thought, OK, right, all I have to do is do the light part and I'll be fine. And I wasn't completely fine.
And then bit by bit I kind of collect different bits of the puzzle, which is kind of a good thing because if I tried to do everything all at once, I'd probably implode. And so would clients, even though that's what they want to do. They want to do everything that's now and get better tomorrow. So I would just say it's been a gradual process.
But definitely, I think when it comes to sleeping, light is what really gets people, especially if they start fiddling about with phones before bed, which we've all done. The grounding is something that people think stupid, but I would actually say that's a foundation that now with clients, I get them grounding before I get them doing light because we need to have electrons in our body for the light to be able to excite.
So people haven't grounded for, you know, 30 years, you want to fill them back up with electrons again. Also, grounding is kind of quite straightforward and easy and basic. So, so definitely since being sort of much more or all about stricter with myself about how many hours of time I actually walk on the bare earth with my bare feet sort of as like a workout and I only have grounding shoes now. I've kind of noticed a difference, but but The thing is, I wasn't that bad to start
with. You know, I can still function. It was just like internally it was like, oh, I don't like this. The other things I've really noticed is when I go and chase the sun, like if I go to Switzerland or the US, physically I can just do anything, even with horrible technique. You know, when you have to move your suitcase and play with kids and pack and stuff and I never
get stiff ever. But then when there's less light like in the Uki notice all, you know, I feel it a bit now and I just I've never been able to get, you know, I can understand now why that's the case, but I would say the light has a big effect. But then magnetism is really important as well. It's just really difficult to explain magnetism because people who've never heard any of this before, if I started talking about magnetism, I think it would just, you know, that they'd implode.
So I've because I've never had a really serious anything. I know, I know what you're looking for. It's like when people have had like, you've probably got lots of ketogenic diet testimonials. It was like categorically I did a keto diet and my psoriasis, my bipolar, my Parkinson's or whatever got better. I would just say because I get older every year, I always have to find new things to do so that I don't notice or I can slow it down. So that's fundamentally how I'm thinking.
It's like no matter what, I never for one minute think, OK, you know everything and you've got the perfect protocol. I'm always out for how can I improve this and what can I try, what can I add? Um, how can I combine these together? Because like you were saying, it's also about making protocols for other people as well.
But then when it comes to energetics of people, just to be a little bit more esoteric, there are certain people that sort of gravitate towards nature and grounding and, and that's what really moves the needle for them. Some, some people are most definitely a fire or a heat or a light person, and that's what really turns them on. And other people are like a water person. So they're the ones that say, oh, my distiller and my hydrogen
water and, and limiting tech. So I'm not dehydrating myself. That's what moved the needle for me. So there's sort of that level that we could go into with quantum biology as well, that the actual way in which you reconnect with nature isn't just going out and being in it. It's about thinking about it sort of in, in terms of how our ancients would have done with sort of air, fire, water and earth and connecting with elements as well.
So, so that's why there's not a definitive protocol, but there's lots of things that people can implement. And I do know that people always sometimes want to jump to the big shiny objects and it's like like a sauna or a magnetico or something where really they just need to drill down with what I said right at the beginning about the sun rises, the UVA light blocking the blue light at night, seeing the sunrise when they can, making their bedroom as dark as possible.
So there's a big contrast, nice and bright in the day, very dark at night. And then and then also I was saying when I get clients, I always make sure that they're grounding and 90% of the time they're not really. So just getting those things in place and then work from there Because if you don't have a good foundation in your body clock and timing or if you don't have good redox or enough hydration in the body, just anything you want to add on top is just not
going to work as well. That's why I'm just so much of a fan of just do the free things and the basic things. The stuff where you've got to put a little bit of effort into and timing to to change, not just buying stuff straight away. Yeah, no, I can totally agree and resonate with that message
for sure. I feel like the, I mean, you, you can go down a rabbit hole with all the different bells and whistles and things you can do to optimize, but if you look at it from a classic 8020 analysis standpoint, like you're going to get the most bang for your buck doing the simplest things that are totally free. That's the same with nutrition. That's the same with biohacking, sleep optimization, heat and cold therapy. Like all of that stuff is
readily available. It just takes a little bit of effort and it's so far removed from what our current normal day-to-day and societal standards are that we just need to return back to what we were doing and how we're living, you know, 500 plus years ago would be way better off for it. Absolutely, and also being uncomfortable is good for us. Like it's uncomfortable to swim in a lake or do a cold plunge.
It's uncomfortable to have to get out of bed when you're nice and cosy and, and investing in this, in being uncomfortable and just dealing with it, it's actually really beneficial because it's the hormetic effect and, and you can't buy a hormetic, a home, a homeesis pill or how to deal with being uncomfortable powder. You have to do it yourself. And then this leads into sort of better resilience on physical,
emotional and mental levels. So, so there's that aspect of it too, that, that you're investing time, which is that's the energy part, not not money into something. And I always find when you do that, and you probably do as well, that that's where the biggest returns are when it's that kind of investment. And yeah, people are just afraid of being uncomfortable and, and it's, it's good for them.
It's like that as you will know full well yourself doing what you do that you know, you just keep pushing your comfort zone a little bit bigger and bigger and you're able to achieve sort of more and more. And quantum biology and embracing nature is a great way to do that because saunas get really uncomfortable. That's the whole idea. It triggers a particular release of certain neurochemicals when you get really uncomfortable in the sauna, but you feel better later. So, so there's that.
There's the lovely, nice part of quantum biology, but then there's the sort of you can see Mother Nature's sort of harshness in there that it it's actually a way to be uncomfortable as well, which fundamentally benefits us later. What's interesting, I'm a, I'm an avid hunter as well and I go out West most years to hunt elk. And like last time I was out there, I was, you know, in the, the bitter cold and elevation hiking 60 miles a week, you know, with a loaded pack and my
rifle. And I'm doing all this stuff and it's, it's easy to look at that moment and be like, man, this is, this is hard. This is a sacrifice. Most people aren't willing to do this. And I feel good because I'm doing it. But then I look at all the animals out there in their natural habitat, all the elk that I'm pursuing and that is just their norm. That is their day-to-day. They're totally get comforted, get comfort and peace with it
because that is all they know. Like when your perspective is such that, hey, this is not even hard anymore because it's just simply my norm. Like that's when you become truly empowered and hard to kill. Absolutely. And also do you find that you sort of go into like a trance and sort of almost wreak, you can imagine other humans, your our ancestors for hundreds and thousands of years before us actually doing this exact thing? And it just feels kind of wild but kind of free as well.
Yeah, and I can actually relax. Like I'm, I'm always stressed, I'm always busy. I'm always go, go, go. But the only time I can actually take a nap is when I'm outside in the wilderness. That's the only time my body and my brain allow allow me to just simply be at peace and relax. So that that's pretty telling for me as well.
Yeah, definitely. There's also more to that because I suppose you to be connected to, if it be very rural where you're hunting, so there's less electrification, then you're really connected to the Schumann resonance. Every time you brush up against trees and stuff and touch the leaves, that's going to speaks like grounding and deliver electrons. So your body feels like it's got enough energy to give you permission to relax. Because that's the other thing, because, because I can be like
that as well. And I always, and I always tell people you actually need energy to be able to sleep and to be able to relax. It's kind of, you know, you, it's, it doesn't, you don't just make yourself that exhausted and then you'll relax. So I, I completely understand that, you know, I, I, I, I don't hunt, but then I like crashing about in nature and in mountains. And like you said, it's uncomfortable, but I also feel very connected to the earth, but also in some way to, to act to
ancestors. And it is relaxing. And actually, for people who want a shortcut to fixing a messed up circadian rhythm, just going camping and sleeping outside on the floor of the tent is a quick way to reset the
circadian rhythms and reconnect. If someone's been very derailed, say from a gigantic sort of round the world trip and they've taken like 10 flights and been in sort of six time zones, or they just didn't know anything about circadian biology and they just want to get started as soon as possible. So that's something that's like, you know, we can accelerate it. You're equipping me with a pretty good argument to take my wife camping with my son here soon, so I'm grateful.
Oh, no. But The thing is, if you, if you live in the States, because because I love insects and I know I'll tolerate them, but all bugs, as you'd say. But I've seen some pretty insane things living in the United States. Because is it the bugs that puts her off? No, I mean, it's right now it's super hot here in Arkansas. So it's just uncomfortably warm out camping, but that's good for that. Hormesis is taking effect. Yeah, yes, well, she can sweat.
But also, yeah, that's a problem because in Arkansas, it would be a bit like in Georgia because I think they're on a quite a similar latitude that there is some really interesting bugs and all sorts of things want to bite you in those states. That is very true. That is very true. Keeps it interesting though for sure. Oh yeah, definitely. You know, yes, but yes. So she might, maybe she'll agree to it in the fall.
I don't know. But yes, it's, it's something that's it's being uncomfortable that you get a reward. Absolutely, absolutely. Well, Sarah, this has been incredibly insightful. I'm very intrigued by everything we've talked about. I am looking to optimize my, my light therapy, my, my water consumption, my grounding, my sleep, everything, anything and everything.
I think all that in tandem with a well formulated ketogenic diet is the best thing that any of us can do, so I can't thank you enough for all the insight and the time. Oh, it's been a pleasure talking to you, Robert. I've really enjoyed it. It's been fun. It has, it has. Where do people go to find out more about you and and dive a little deeper into your world? I go by Busy Superhuman on social media.
So I've got a YouTube channel and there's some long form videos and then there's interviews with as scientists and doctors and sort of to give people the validity and all of this. And I've got Instagram, which I am active on. I've got TikTok and I've got sub stack for people who like to read things and not watch videos or look at pictures. Then I have a monthly coaching group which people can join that sort of something. If people want to work in a group.
Then I then I make courses and I've got loads of free content as well, like all sorts of things. So it's better to like I say, get the free stuff 1st and then then see where you want to go next. There's I've got plenty of things on on different platforms. So it's just busy. Superhuman or Doctor Sarah Pugh, they it should come up. Awesome, awesome. I will certainly link out to everything, make it easy for people to find you.
Let's definitely keep in touch because I'm sure I'm going to be picking your brain in the future as I dive deeper into this world. But again, I can't thank you enough for the time. I really appreciate all the insight. And if there's everything I can do for you, Sarah, you just let me know. Although that's wonderful, actually, there is something I my very close and dear friend Sarah Kleiner. I know her daughter really loves keto bricks.
So I hope that that's that's what that's all I'm asking is a keto brick. I'll, I'll get one. What flavour do you recommend? Hey, will you shoot me a good shipping address and I'll hook you up? Oh, no, it's no, I was kind of joking. I, I think it's been so nice to talk to you, Robert. I, I definitely want to stay in touch on a sort of professional level. So you know, I'm all, I'm always here if you need any sort of guidance because, you know, I
like to, I like to share things. So it's been really fun to meet you. Yeah, no, no, totally agree. And the feeling is mutual. So again, I really appreciate you, Sarah. Keep keep changing the world and changing lives and getting people healthy and definitely keep in touch. OK, lovely. Thank you.