Well, hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks. Kiddo. Savage.com damn, get special guest, DJ web back on the line. This is apparently podcast number three with him. He's just awesome. Dude. I've had it on the podcast. I said twice before. Always good conversation. We dive into a little bit of disordered eating Tendencies. We talked about his experiments with different types of dietary protocols. He and I both used to do carbohydrate backloading.
So we touched on that kind of what it is. What you don't want to do with that. We talk about keto, we talk about carb cycling to talk about the addition of fruit and Honey into nutrition. If that's something that you want to do, or don't want to do and why he's been experimenting with all different kinds of things. So I wanted to pick his brain as to what he's learned in that process, but it's honestly just a super cool, dude. We talked for another 30
minutes. After I finished recording. I just got nothing but respect for DJ. So, without further Ado, sit back, relax. Enjoy the podcast with DJ web. And we are live. We got DJ web back in the building. How are you man? I'm doing good man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Last time. We spoke on a podcast shoot man. It's been what about year and a half? Maybe? Something like that. Definitely just over a year because I think we talked right before I started doing that carb
cycling thing. Yeah. Yeah. Last time we talked, it was all about, we do deep in like disordered eating Tendencies a lot stuff out if I remember correctly. Yep. Yeah that and this is our third time. Now. Wow, that's crazy. Three times a charm. Yeah. Yeah. Well what's been new and you were a man you you've been following you since I met him and you've always been kind of do a little bit. Everything like I see lifting heavy and Hora. See you running, you know, like
a frickin mad, man. I see you doing kedo. I see you doing vertical that I see you, doing, lots of things. I feel like you've got a lot of perspective and a lot of experience, which is cool because it brings a lot more to the table. I feel. Yes, I've tried it all. I tried flexible dieting. I tried the Dukan Diet back in the day or you had to have like, a tablespoon of, like, oh, Brandon day. And I've tried and I've tried it all most recently, carb cycling.
I did carb backloading back in the day, kind of like you, that was interesting. But, yeah, it's kind of fun. Like, are back live here, minting, like when I was poking my car back. I know you've done it as well and I had some in the parking lot too long ago and they had done it as well. And whenever you get someone on you have a conversation when that's done carb backloading like the the conversation always goes pretty much the same. Like when you know what you know about attrition.
Now you think about carb backloading? You're like, wow, I can't believe I used to eat like that. Oh, horrible, and if you if you try to Google carb backloading now, I mean there is not even that much info. Like all the info. I found years ago. When I tried it 2012-2013. It was all over the place that got the guy isn't Kiefer John Keifer. I think that's his name. Yeah. Chunky Neiman. Yeah, he don't even talk about it anymore. Really?
Like there ain't even that much info any more about it. Yeah, I mean it worked. I mean, like, I did it successfully in the sense that I didn't blow up like a balloon. Like, I was able to eat like a madman, but not gain it. Just a ton of body fat, but it's not like no sane person would eat like that and be like, wow, I'm super healthy, you know? Oh, not at all. Yeah, so I was doing it. I was working for UPS. Hmm.
And so it was really nice because during the day I literally would like you barely eat anything. Mostly proteins. Some fats like I think I was having like a tuna can and maybe a couple almonds and maybe like a string cheese or something like during the day and you don't have much time to eat during the day so it's perfect but there was nights I'd get off work.
And yeah, you're supposed to keep fat down but I go order bunch of McDonald's and wake up in the morning and I wouldn't gain any weight or nothing and he always not eat. I like there was no nutritional value in that last meal of the day. Yeah, I mean my, I mean, I guess the first time I probably even read the word keto on a piece of paper that would have been in that car back loading book because he talked about key do during the first half.
They like you're saying but I mean they would be evenings where I kid you not man, I would work out and I was living with my buddy that I work out with my in college, the time. He's my roommate and we would make. We're both like, you know, bro, body butter Foodies and we would make these like nine by nine cookie sheet, you know. Things of Betty Crocker brownies. So it'd be like, you know, 9x9 tray of brownies.
That's like four inches deep. And we cover the entire thing with peanut butter and then we put a whole bottle of syrup on top of that and some whipped cream for good measure and that would be my meal for the evening. So, totally within the Realms of carb backloading, but not. Oh yeah, has upheld. Oh, for sure. And for me, it was interesting because I had to train in the morning because I was working all day running around, delivering packages. Mmm.
And so I would have liked. I forgot what it said in the protocol, but it was basically like a carbohydrate drink after my workout with protein shake and then, basically low carb all day until my final meal in the evening, which my favorite was probably huge bowls of cereal. Aisle sugary cereal. That was low fat. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy man. Crazy. Are you talking like almost like a box? Like 3/4 of box to a box of cereal? Yeah. I feel like it really.
IE, it is kind of a weird timing because at that point in my life, I had some serious disordered eating Tendencies and that book that whole format kind of gave me like free rein to lean into those resorting to eating Tendencies. So I'm just exactly binge at night and The Way It Was Written. I mean, John Keifer probably like not appreciate what we're talking about now, but this is how we did it. But the Way It Was Written kind of like lesson to the adverse effects in our minds of what was
happening. If we had a huge Bowl, Food like that. So it was almost like we didn't feel guilty for just totally binging, which is probably a good thing. Honestly, not to feel guilty. Oh, totally agree. Like, it removed that. I just screwed up mentality, like, and brought it to. Oh, I'm doing it for the betterment of my physique and exercise goals. Yeah, crazy stuff. So, you did carb last time we were on a podcast. You were doing carnivore, I think.
I want to say it was like during World Carnival month last year, something like that are about to be, you know, doing carnivore. And then you kind of went am IA in the keto space for little while. You're doing carb cycling and now, you're more or less, kind of going back to Quito. Is that right? Yes. I'm sure everyone appreciate me. Not posting food pictures because I pretty much didn't at all last year. But yeah, so I hooked up with a coach strength and conditioning
coach. North Carolina, and we did carb cycling. So basically non training days would be super low carb. Fats will increase a little bit and that would be additional fats as far as tracking goes. I wasn't tracking the actual fat in like meat and whatnot. But basically he would give me like what at what fats to add weather was like avocados or macadamia nuts, almonds or whatnot. And then there was medium, medium carb days on training days.
And then on my hardest lifting day typically major muscle group is typically legs or whatever muscle group. Like I wanted to bring up the most would be one high carb day and that was while dieting so we died it for like five. Five or six months doing that. And then we did four months of basically of any gaining phase and is gaining phase.
Robert was the first time. Since before I compete in bodybuilding in 2007, that I legitimately did a gaining phase with an actual intent, where like my eating training, everything was intentionally to put on weight and not put on a whole lot of fat. It's also need it more. Yeah. And it literally. Yeah, so, 14 14 years because in the past and you know my history
and a lot of people do on here. If I was doing that it was basically a screw screw it mentality where I was just eating anything and what and and everything wasn't tracking or anything and my lifting and everything else wasn't up to par to the amount of calories. I was putting in my body. Mmm. So that was really nice and I was still was tracking every day weighing weighing food and and everything and so we did about four months of that and then we
started doing a cut again. So the in the gaining phase I think we got up to like two high-carb days, which it allowed me to have a planned cheat meal and basically, I don't like saying cheat meal, but basically, I got to eat whatever meal I wanted. Made sure I included me and then so when we start dieting again, it was it was through the end of November. And then, basically in December. I said, hey coach, I want to cut ties.
I need to just be by myself, this next month and enjoy life with the family, and not track, and not weigh anything and not Weigh myself and, and just have a mental break. And what was really good about? That is, that's what I did. I ate intuitively. I, I still followed, you know, that the food wise, I followed it pretty much to a tee and allowed myself to have wheels here and there with the family that weren't a part of whatever plan I was on before and then
and I didn't gain any weight. So that was like, huge for me. Yeah, it's awesome. I may have lost a pound or two you. So, and then come January 1st. Sorry, we're carnivore month and then I got back to carnivore animal-based diet. I guess is what I would call it now and so, yeah, I want to dive in here, a little deeper. So when you were doing, you did a cut for five months and then a bulk for four months and I hear that right? Yes, roughly. Yeah, what was the, what was the
goal of the cut? Like, were you just trying to get as long as you could with the carb cycling approach? And what was the intention there? So, yeah, pretty much. I mean, I didn't have a, I mean, it in the back of my head. I always had a goal weight. Which now, after my most recent, dexa, scan, I was way off, but it was always in the 160s because I always do.
Past. That's always what it, what it was, if when I got to see some ABS was normally low 170s, high 160. So that was really the goal. And then you started the book after that. The building prison for that. What was your what was your final weights at the end of the cut, beginning of the building phase? And of the cut. I think my lowest weight like 166.
And then at the end of the bulk, it was like 181 which was about two pounds lighter than where I when I started the original cut but my body composition was much better. When I got back, when I got back up to 180 one. It was it was a lot better than what it was at 183 beforehand. Only two pound difference. Is your weight now? So, one like 177 many, but I honestly, I don't weigh myself about the dexa. Scan was a like second time.
I had gotten a weight done, and that was like, in the 1880s that morning, but I also had a lot of liquids and stuff. I had weighed myself like a couple days later and then I was like, 177. And what's your height? 56c we had to compete together, man, because like you're saying all this stuff and like I've only got like a ninja and a half on you sore about the same height and our weight is pretty much the same as well. A crime right now.
I'm 180 one where he 2183 somewhere in there and I cut down. And I'm usually competing at like 160 165, somewhere that window. So like our stats are pretty much neck and neck, man. So it'd be cool to step on stage with me sometime. I would love to see. I've always wanted to again. I know I've always wanted to again. I just I guess I'm nervous because of what happened. Last time? That makes sense. Yeah, with like the eating Tendencies.
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm 100. I'm a hundred and fifteen pages into your book right now. Oh, nice, nice. We think so far. It's good. I just got through the, I mean the math, the math stuff. Wrapping my head around. I mean, I've heard of all the different things, but I'm in that portion where it's all doing all the math, to calculate, your you're starting macros and whatnot.
And when you're laying it out, like moderate activity, extreme activity, and then and then basically, you're like, don't don't like, you may think you're extreme activity, but really you're more on the moderate activity thing. So I'm I'm going through that chapter right now. Well, I feel like I mean when you did your, when your did you show and you handle this or getting tense is afterwards. That was all with like the Bro diet though, right? Oh, yeah. And back, then you weren't even
weighing food or nothing. You're using measuring cups and a chicken breast is a chicken breast. It could have been eight ounces. It could have been six ounces and you never knew. And then when you started dieting is like, okay, you reduce, you do a whole potato to a Potato. But then, the potato could have
been All different sizes. Mmm. And then and then your, I mean, really, the only thing was like the rice which you actually use a measuring cup and you could, you could split it up after cooking it. But yeah, so yeah, it's real man. Like I don't want to, I don't want to assume anything but I would imagine your likelihood for going off the rails. Post-show, if you were to do a prep with, you know, a ketogenic
low carb. You know, higher fat approach would be significantly reduced than what you had done in the past with the, you know, crazy bro. Dieting, you know, no hardly minimal, minimal fat. I mean a lots of differences there. Oh for sure. Yeah without a doubt but I mean shoot even if you don't compete man, you like you're freaking impressive in your own right when it comes to just you're lifting man because you're some of the like you're dead lifts.
For instance. You put it on your Instagram. They you're pulling. What was that a record of? 585 is that right? All right, so I got five ninety. So year three years ago back at Super training gym after a meet at pulled 562. But on my soul, my second lift. I pulled 562 it kind of got out in front of me and I failed on it and the goal that meat was 600. So then it was 585 that. Let me or whatever the kilos is
closest to that. And then, so, I told my coach at the time I was like, hey, I know I have 585 and me. He's like, ah, It will reset and then in a week, you can pull it at the gym. So I did 585 at the gym. And then yeah, I was a couple weeks ago, Max deadlifts was on there and I trained with the stiff part. And so I went to the gym with the deadlift bar because I wanted to see like what I could really do and most federation's
that use a deadlift bar. So or at least the Federation I competed in. So I went to use the deadlift bar. And sleep. Well, that last night. So I had woken up extra early because I don't like I don't like laying in bed if I'm up. I'm up. So I went for like a 6-mile run that morning came home cleaned up went to the gym. I was like, well, I got Max deadlift.
So and then I was working up and everything felt good and I got 590 Sumo no straps or anything and then I do an over-under grip so I got five ninety, which I was super excited. I mean, I'm a pretty low motion lifter. I don't make a lot of noise or how we set the bar down on. Like don't drop the bar down. Just. Yeah, because in competition and competition can't drop bar down.
So I just I train how I would in a competition and yeah, there's like one guy around there that was training that early that, that was like, looking on. But yeah, so I got five ninety, which was huge. Judge, that's super impressive, man. Like I'd have never really done sumos until here recently, and it took me like forever to get sumos kind of acclimated to what I was doing with conventional. Like it just took a long time for my, you know, hips and everything to act like to that movement.
But now I'm stronger and sumos there anything really? But I've never gone for like a heavy single. I haven't done like a Max deadlift in years. Honestly, the most I've ever gotten in deadlift was I think five plates, so 49. Five. And that was back and I'll probably shoot 2015 or 16 long time ago. And then I hadn't gotten that sense. But here lately, I've been doing, I've been kind of progressive overloading and earlier this last week. I got 450 548.
So I would imagine that could pull five. No problem if I'm doing that for a but I don't know. Oh, you definitely can because I think You can't yours that. You have a stiff bar, right? Yeah, how much difference does that make? If I've only got a stiff bar, if I was to try and do it with a deadlift part, is it had 20 pounds or what? Yeah, you could easily you definitely. You definitely can pull five because I pulled 520 the other day. Conventional on a deadlift bar. and, You deaf on it.
That look for you definitely can pull or five and I guarantee it you can pull it on a stiff barbecue. Yeah, what about your, what Your squats look like? So, I'm trying to work my way back up there. I got 420 the other day, nice, and then it won't be, it'll be ten weeks until I test again. So my squat is way off from my in competition. I got 474 some way off of that. And I am a little lighter than I was when I did that in competition, but As you compete at 181.
I think I think I weighed in at 176 that competition. But then you are loading up on electrolytes and carbs and stuff, and you probably going in that I was probably like 180 for going into the that that morning. Do you find yourself kind of gravitating more towards powerlifting meats or like composition like body, comp stuff, like bodybuilding? What excites?
More. Well, when I was at Super training gym, you're kind of just around that powerlifting Vibe. Mmm, and we were always training for something, training for that next meet. And then obviously, there's an off season until you get within roughly like 12 weeks before the powerlifting meat. And then that's basically where the on season is where you're doing. A 12-week program to Peak for the powerlifting meet. Now. I don't know. This is tights.
Always bodybuilding has always been in the back of my mind because I primarily trained like Power building. I guess people would call it. Like it's pretty much kind of like you to it. You base your lips around the by three main lifts and overhead, press. If that if you want to add that in there and then you have your body in the way. What are you? What's your overhead? Press? Look like I think last week, I've been having shoulder
issues. And so I've been doing, I've been doing a lot of shoulder Mobility stuff before I lift any body part and it's starting to feel better. So it was it was strict. I went up to 175 and I was like I'm good there without without know. I wasn't like doing nothing with my legs or anything. It was all just strict. So I was happy with it. Just based on how my shoulder had been hurting and I and then bench. My best ever was like 3:30. I got 315. When I was maxing that week,
which I was happy with. It's 3:15. I probably could have gotten 320 maybe 325, but I stopped at 350 nose. Like I'm good. Yeah, now we get pretty much the same stats, man. I mean, I think you probably got me on on the deadlift for sure, because I don't, I never tried to do with the deadlift barn. But but I feel like everything else is pretty much on point. You've got, I mean, you've got the, the shape of a body butter.
So, like if you wanted to compete as a body butter, you can definitely pull that off as well. But you're also not run in several miles a day. Like you're typically average in what like 5 plus miles. Day, yes. Yeah, the this month this month, pretty much has been five or more every single morning. There's one day in there where it was icy outside and I legitimately cannot run outside. So I had to do some rucking for my cuz I'm doing 75 hard. I had to do some rucking for my
45-minute workout outside. And then I hate running on the treadmill. I did a mile before I worked out and then am I laughter and that was the only day that I did. You run like five miles which one of you crazy cats was you Brandon that started, the whole one mile a day thing. All that was him. That was him. That was him and I had last year.
I tore my hamstring and quad playing football and then had to stop running and I know you hurt your ankle and you got out on their on hitting the crutches and still got your, my limit my legs. I'm just, uh, birthday, man. Oh, that's awesome. So, But the beginning of this year, I did some fundraiser, which got me back into running. It was it was for to stop Soldier suicide because it's a
huge issue within the military. And so that was a hundred miles in the month of January. And so that started me off with like going from zero running and having a bunch of carbs to having zero carbs and running a minimum of like 3 plus miles a day. The first week, it was a little rough because I hadn't ran in forever. And then obviously I had was having zero car like Trace carbs from like some eggs or whatever and some didn't some raw dairy, but But then you have first couple weeks.
It was like it was all three miles every day and then I got up to four miles and then randomly a 5-mile run. And then so I've kind of just been increasing it and I'll throw some higher. Run days in there. Seven, eight, nine, ten, miles, randomly, depending on how I feel. See I was not like, I didn't run it all man. I ran in. Like Middle School, track and then I didn't run for years and then I listened to the David Goggins on Joe Rogan.
And then after that, I signed up for a marathon, right? My Marathon was Zero training. That was the first time I'd run in years and then shortly thereafter is when you and brain is are doing the one mile a day, which will actually let me back. Then I started doing, I did that Marathon, but I felt like total crap afterwards because I hadn't trained. So then I started doing a mile a day. And then the next week was two miles and then three miles. And I just increase it every week.
I was doing like seven miles a day, I think. But then I broke my toe lifting so that I couldn't run for a while and then y'all did the one mile a day and that y'all did that for the first time in what 2020? I think. Yes, and then so I didn't do it 2020 but I saw y'all don't know. It's pretty cool. So I did it in 2021 and then I also did add that 50 mile March, you know for the veterans. That was super cool and and I've been doing it the one my day, since then.
So I've been doing it all so far this year, but I think what I'm going to do is I've got that David Goggins four by four by forty eight this weekend. I'm going to do that. Yeah, I saw that on your 7 set Sunday. Yeah. I'm excited about that for sure. But I think after that I'm not gonna do the the one mile a day because I'm going to start a bodybuilding prep later this
year. And Want to be doing a run every single day and that, that be like my Baseline for cardio that have to go and add to. I want to basically just be doing very minimal cardio and then manipulate to kind of optimize for the bodybuilding prep, because it's probably not ideal from a bodybuilding standpoint to be running every single day and lifting if you're trying to minimize the minimum effective dose for a cardio, if that makes sense.
So it makes total sense. And I've definitely thought about that as well. cuz and I thought about that in years past when I was running so much that basically, you know, my body is getting used to All this running in exercise in eating intuitively. Like there's some days I eat more than other days depending on how I'm feeling I feel and whether I feel like I need to get more more food in but I'm basically causing a where this is going to be my base line.
And so when I stop running so much, I'm definitely going to have to make make some adjustments and that's something. I had to do last year, when I started with the coach was, I told them. I was like, look, this. So I'm doing. And so we get, when we originally we set up my my diet. We had to do some tweaks here and there because he asked me to stop doing so much and so we did and then we were able to eventually bring up, bring up my up my calories first.
A little bit. Now, you know, while I was decreasing, we're trying to just find a baseline because I had so much activity, like, right now. My, so here's the thing with the keto brick. If I hit 20,000 steps in a day on my watch, I get a whole keto brick. If I don't only get a half a kilo brick, but the thing is, when I'm at work. Where my office is, I can't have my watch on there. So I got nothing tracking my steps. So I have to get 20,000 steps - Let's say seven hours in the office.
So I'm not counting any of those steps it. I have to hit 20 on my watch. So it's either I'm getting 20 before I go into the office was like, right now. I'm at 16,000 240 didn't have my watch on all day at work. And so I still got some work to do if I want. And I haven't had any of Aikido break today. So normally have half in the morning or morning afternoon, time frame and then half after my last meal of the day at like 6:00. 30. So ya wanna kill ravana.
If I only ever want a full cure, I got to get to, I gotta get an extra four thousand steps, but they'll probably take the kids for a walk later because it's 50 degrees outside. Yeah. No, that's cool though, man. I mean, I think, like, I love the daily running. Like, I've learned to love it, like, it's therapeutic formats. When I do a lot of my best thinking, I don't think I could give up running again, completely, like I had prior,
but I certainly don't think. Think like I don't really think it hinders like anybody that's not trying to actually step on stage and Peak for a bodybuilding show. Like they have no excuses as to why they couldn't lift and run every single day. There. That's totally doable. I've been for the past year and a quarter totally fine, but like you like you and I both know, having both competed if you're trying to optimize and you're trying to like be a strategic as you can with the cardio.
You're adding to elicit a certain response in the body. It doesn't really make sense to run every single day because that's not having its Really adding to your Physique, in a degree in honest. It's probably taking from it because you're going to deplete some glycogen from that run. So it's honestly doing more harm than good strictly from a bodybuilding peeking standpoint. Correct.
I 100% agree. Yeah, because and you you hit it nail on the head or whatever that phrases that you basically would have to do cardio on top of that. So you're so before you start your competition prep. You're probably going to cut down the running, get your body used to. That without get your body used to not doing the extra work, right. Exactly before you start and then you'll figure out your Baseline there before starting your prep, right? Yep. Exactly.
So yeah, probably if I'm gonna do the four by four by forty eight this weekend and then I'll probably use that kind of as Like the quote unquote finish line to the Daily runs and then going forward from there. What I'll probably do is only run on days. Don't lift. So if I take two days off a week from from lifting, I'll probably do a run then it may be a slightly longer run.
Like I'm a run, you know, two or three miles instead of one mile, but that probably be the extent of my weekly running. Yeah. So it's kind of a plan there. I'm kind of curious to see if my liftings impact. I don't think I'm gonna get a gain any strength by not running
every single day. But I feel like I'll probably just get a slightly better pump and fill out a little bit more each day because right now I'm lifting in the morning and running in the afternoon, and I'm not it's like I'm depleting a ton of glycogen with the daily runs, but when you're not taking in carbs and you're only relying on. I mean when you're keto, you're not tapping into your glycogen near as much and you are very muscle sparing.
If you're doing like two-a-days one in the morning, one in the afternoon, you're certainly not giving your body optimal amount of time to replenish glycogen. Oh, for sure, and that I've been horrible. People call me crazy because I've been running in the morning and then if I'm up early enough and I don't have to take away time from my family in the afternoon. I'll go to the gym afterwards.
Yeah and give my lifted so that when I'm done with work, I can just come straight home and spend time with the family. Do you notice getting a better pump? If you, if you if you structure it in such a way that you have like 24 hours. Tween training sessions, like when you, if you lift and run all in one window of time and you have 24 hours before you lift, again, do you notice a better pump on those days versus ones where you only have like 10 or 12 hours between your run and your lift?
I would say so, because there's been a couple times like when we got snowed in, not really Snowden, but I went to the gym, I ran worked out and we I was bored at the house. I was like, babe, I won't go back to the gym whore. Like horrible pumps, horrible workout. And and normally like I have I have really good poems II, throw red and Real Salt and yeah, lot. Before I go train and I'm always
down electrolytes. And so I always have really good pumps and but then but that like I totally see a difference from trying to do it two days, lifting wise this horrible. Yeah, totally makes sense, man. Are you going to do that four by four by forty eight with me? So I was thinking about it. I'm supposed to be meeting up with some people at the Arnold from Super training gym or if this weekend that yes, this weekend. And I'm an hour away from it.
Good thing. I didn't realize that or no was this weekend and we are so I was gonna go up there and then I was gonna meet up with piedmontese, he dies, so, That would be a good reason not to do the 4 by 4 by 4 T. That's a pretty viable reason. But yeah, I had definitely been thinking about. I definitely want to do it and then August, I plan on being out there for the March. Oh, you can do the my marching August this year. Yeah. Nice. It's all my birthday. That'll be a good way to
celebrate, man. So I definitely want to do that. That, that was freaking intense, man. Like I like that March was harder for me than that Marathon that I did both was Zero training, but just simply Walking, 50 miles is harder in my opinion than running 26. Yeah, so I've done I did the Bataan Death, March Town, New Mexico where you got to have like, a 50 pound pack, and but that's only 26.2 and that was tough. And now, I think I'm going to toss on my Ruck.
I don't know if I have a 30 pound plate and the 20 pound plate. I might just tossed it. I don't know. I might just have water and food and snacks in there. Yeah, or I may put weight in it. So what did you do? Did you just have a camel back or whatever? Ya Head. Like a little camel bag, you know thing, and I had a bunch of relight powder in there, probably like 10 scoops of realized that I would down every two or three hours man. Like I don't know how I was able to ingest all.
Electrolyte, not have crazy GI distress, but somebody was using it for sure. But yeah, it's basically just that and then just Martian, Man, but my feet are so screwed up. I mean, that's why I was on crutches for several days afterwards, because I'm so flat-footed and over pronated and that I had like, severe bone bruising in my feet, and we were just walking on a shoulder of the highway the whole time. So, over top of all that gravel and stuff. Probably. Yeah.
And not good. Yeah, I so I thought I thought about doing it in uniform. I got to figure out if I am able to do it, uniform with my boots and everything. I think I'm gonna try and go to boots next time on do it for sure. As I could, I got some really good tactical boots that are broken in. And so I thought about doing it, like, in my air force fatigues. Those CPS. I got figure out if if I can legitimately do that. How that, how that works from. Is it? Okay?
/ Air Force instruction? So, that's an option or I may just wear those boots with. Shorts or something II. Mean, I have some goruck pants and stuff that are really lightweight. And so, I might do that it gets kinda chilly at night, man. Like I got a little little chilled for sure, you know, when when the Sun goes down. It's an August. But I mean shoot you start, you start sweating. And if you're not hundred enough you start having like all kinds of weird, Sensations, and get
chilly. I mean, it's a, it's interesting, for sure. Yeah, so it's crazy. Before we ever met when I and when your key tobruk just came out. Back. Then when I did this, I had actually reached out to you all and said I was doing the Bataan, Death March and I was doing it full Quito and I was wondering if you guys would sponsor me and yeah, you sent me out kitto bricks for it. I made some mini molds and that was like, what I snacked on during the rut because I did it all on keto.
I mean, I had electrolytes. This is what Hagan, what, 2018, or something, then I guess. Yep. Yeah, it's crazy. It was right when you like first iteration of the key to break came out and you sent me, I think a week supplier or what not to melt a melted down and just carried him in my bag and would jump on those while I was doing the rock. Crazy man. That's the yeah. I'm time ago. Long time ago. Well, what what I meant to ask
you earlier. We were talking about it, but did you notice any benefits when you were doing the carb cycling from like a lifting recovery standpoint? What are some of the differences that you noticed? Or were there any with the carbohydrates? Like was there a benefit to that for you? Oh, so when I look back on it. I mean, I always had I always had energy like going into training session because I mean I was I would have there was also I was having What is it?
I forgot karbolyn. And it's just pure dextrose or whatever, like, during my workout and I was having carbs before after during my workout. but when I look back like I honestly Besides being in pain like inflammation wise. Like, I didn't feel any better than then I do now. Yeah. Like and that's the read. That is the ultimate reason. Like I said, January rolls around, I'm starting back doing carnivore because my joints were aching. So like my joint, my elbows, my
lower back. My my elbows in general and yeah, my lower back was the was the worst, but, and it would just be painful like throughout the day and stuff and I knew, I knew it was on the carbohydrates and I have no, I have no issues with people having carbs. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed having all sorts of all sorts of carbs in it. And most of it was, it was a lot of rice, but it was all easily digestible Foods. Very similar to like the
vertical diet and what not? And I'd have potatoes here and there too. But I just think it was the amount. I could feel that like when I was, you know, around 250 year into 300 like I could def. There was definitely inflammation. No it all over like and I could feel it. Like going to bed at night waking up in the morning.
Just always being sore and I went at the beginning of the, the year, when I start carnivore like, within a week, my like lower back pain, went away, my pain, in my joints went away. And you let all your strength and deflated like a balloon to, right? Oh, no, no. No, I started and I get and I started running. So I think our I think our bodies are a lot more adaptable than we give them credit to until people that all the time.
Yeah. It's interesting to me because you get so many people like I genuinely try and follow, you know, influencers dieticians and athletes on all in suspect. Because I don't want to get stuck in an echo chamber, but I see so many people that are in favor of, you know, like the flexible dieting approach touting carbs as like required for fuel and energy and recovery and muscle sparing and all this stuff. But then I know so many people, myself included, but then I look outside of myself.
And I see people like you who are experienced lifters, who know how to track macros and know how to lift properly, and it's not like, You have any confounding variables? It's like not like you had terrible form when you were eating carbs, and I have better form. So it's not like you can attribute that pain to terrible form. It's like, the only thing that's really changed. The only variable that you manipulated is the inclusion or a reduction of carbohydrates.
I mean, more or less. I'm assuming calories are pretty well acquainted for. And when you remove the carbohydrates, you notice a tangible difference in inflammation like that, in my opinion speaks volumes. I'll for sure and again like, you know, maybe were were all built there for me. Some people handle carbohydrates differently than other people, but I know for me like, I definitely feel better eating this way.
And again, I have no I have nothing against anyone having carbs around the workout or whatever. However, they choose to do it. Because I mean back in the day. I used to be that one. I was like, I'd go buy a pack and like are heads or something and have that as my pre-workout card thinking, I needed it. Mine was a I would get those. I'll get You sticks, or I'll get Sour Patch Kids and I would slam one of those immediately after working out because it has
spiked my insulin. You know, I owe. Ya know, the, I used to bring ice cream, I shake and my carbohydrate Source. My favorite used to be like white, bread and jelly. Hmm. Like I buy like the softest white bread, Wonder Bread, whatever, not really winter break. Is that stuck to the top of my mouth but whatever the softest white bread was and jelly and I would bring it to Jim. Every day and I would sit down a moment. My last set ended, I would just sit down there.
Drink my shake, my white bread and jelly, and just eat there in the gym. It is kind of crazy like all these things that we used to do, because that's what we were supposed to do. But I mean, honestly, I think one of the biggest benefits to key to like take all of them, all the signs around, you know, the neurological benefits. Take all the science around the muscle sparing benefit, like, throw all that stuff out the window and just look at it from like a life. I'll design standpoint.
I feel like not being a slave to the clock and having to eat around a certain window. Every two or three hours immediately, post workout or whatever. Like being able to just simply live your life and eat when it's convenient. That alone is worth its weight in gold. Oh for sure, and you said it in your, you said in your book and I and I had tested the same thing. Like if I hit that three hour mark and I did not have food around me. Like, in my mind. I'm like, I am losing muscle
right now. Where's my food? I need something right now. Why didn't you said that? You said that in your book you like would be. They were in danger if they didn't have food scene here because I yeah, I used to Bring my food everywhere. And but if I didn't have it for some reason and it hit that three hour mark, I am like I am losing muscle mass right now. It's kind of funny though. How many people, you know, thought that way that that was the universal belief.
I mean, you talk to somebody that's done something similar. Like, there's automatically this sense of, you know, camaraderie because you've both experience that same sensation as just kind of funny how that that works out in the lifting community. Oh, yes for sure. But the fact that I mean, the fact that you're doing what you're doing now, you know, so your your activity has increased since the start of the year.
I mean you're running more, you're lifting just as heavy if not heavier and you have less pain and inflammation. I mean that that's kind of mean something. I'll for sure. I and I and I feel great and I like knowing no issues, energy-wise, none, but that that time was and I think I met emailed you this, for message you this or whatnot? It that time was good for me is solely because I needed the time where I could and this was repetitive over like 9, I guess, 40 some weeks, where, like,
every week. I knew I could have a meal, where I could eat, whatever I want. But that repetitiveness where I was able to do it and not go overboard. Like I would in the past. That was huge for me and it helped me learn. How to learn and let me learn that.
Even if I chose to have a meal like that today that like within a couple days like yeah, man, wait, may go up for a day or two or but then it will go back down and I saw that over and over and over again because that was that's that's where my huge issues were. In the past years ago, was, I basically created a script mentality where like, We'll just continue to eat any any any and and whatnot and binge and stuff and I could count like maybe two times. Did I like feel? Like I am.
Maybe I didn't need that extra cookie for dessert, like, but besides that, like, I ate my meal. Whatever it was and then I moved on and I was fine. And so so from that aspect like doing the carb cycling, having that one meal a week where I could just eat whatever and line it up with like events and things with my family. Like I needed that for myself like mentally to just move past that in my life, as I see it for good and I, hopefully for good.
So yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've got no qualms with that at all. I think, I think we need to address nutrition through two different lenses. Like, there's a physiological lens in which case, you know, what is best for our biology. What is best for, you know, our gut health. What is, what foods do we respond? Most favorably to? I don't think there's any inherent benefit to carbohydrates from a performance standpoint once you become fat adapted.
So I feel like all this fear-mongering to people that say, Hey, you're not going to be the best athlete you can. Be without carbon think that's all you know inaccurate so that shouldn't be a factor that's playing in and I think people just need to figure out what what they respond best to in
that regard. I think the other lens and honestly, probably the more important lens should be from a psychological standpoint because what works incredibly well for one person when it comes to their relationship with food, how they structure their meals, their mentality towards certain foods, binging and purging Tendencies, you know, whatever they find sustainable that regard. It's going to be totally different from one person to the
next. I feel like that is all within the realm of the psychology of our relationship with food much more so than the physiological relationship with food. So if you don't kind of, you know, look at those through each end of the spectrum, each lens, you're not really doing yourself any favors. Yeah. I totally agree. But I don't know, man. People people get so up in arms about what's best? And I feel like you have to distinguish between, you know,
what are we talking about? What's best for because, you know, like if you if you benefited, you know, from this period of time which were eating carbohydrates to if nothing else illustrate to yourself that you can do it and have the ability to not overdo it, then the perspective you gain from that and the self-awareness you gain from that. I mean, that is Probably valuable. And if that's what you needed to be better going forward, then you're so much better for having hand that chapter.
Oh for sure am and because well, I mean my family they don't be cheated or nothing or animal-based or my wife and she likes. Stay classy like filet mignon though. Yeah, but for my wife and it's a sometimes it's a social thing. Like I mean because they do like pizza nights on Fridays or whatever. I order barbecue. That's like my one meal a week
that I don't cook myself. I just ordered. you ain't get no sausages, get it dry and use a bunch of Redmond real salt on there, but I know, I know that time is going to come up like within the year where I can tell my wife what she wants to do for our anniversary at the end of March and I'll probably enjoy a meal with her and but I know it's gonna be alright, and so let's move on and get back to what I'm doing because I this is honestly I feel best having an animal's animal-based diet low
in carbs and I body that don't digest vegetables very well. And so I just Moaning, I don't include them really at all like and for so many years of eating broccoli. I just can't do broccoli anymore. Yeah, so and I just I feel better like not including
vegetables. I mean if I were to include a vegetable or probably be like Caesar salad that like at a restaurant but it has to be like a good, a good like homemade Caesar dressing even though it will probably have vegetable oil in it, but I don't go out to eat that often. So I'm having an sure, we do. Tattoo, right? Oh, yeah. I like the anchovies. Me too. It's good. So early a cops. They're like the not Cobb salad with chop salad. That's the blue cheese. Yeah. I like selling the Winstone.
Oh, wedge salad. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm pretty much same way. Like, I need that many veggies, Crystal likes, veggies. So, whenever she makes something with veggies, all, eat it, but it's like, like that's never my focal point. I do have some broccoli on occasional. Have some brussels sprouts, but they're always like sauteing. Some fat and covered in butter. So it's honestly probably more of a fat Source than a vegetable Source. Yeah, but love it, man. I love it.
Well, what do you got coming? What's exciting for you? What do you have in the pipeline? That that's got you ramped up? All right, so we got to talk about next month. Alright, next, we know this month was meat and Bricks so you'll be plan, lucidly meeting breaks for home up. Yes, and me. I think I had. I got some avocado, the other day. Pretty much be friends, though. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much 99% meeting bricks. So, what what have you noticed in doing that? Any pros or cons?
What's the good? What's the band? Yeah, so I started off, I did a phase because I was, I knew I was adding more fats and stuff because I ain't waiting no food or anything. I normally would switch up like type of steak I had so I thought maybe I'd have a leaner stake here and there and sometimes not. So I know my fat was probably higher on Sundays and less on
other days. Typically when I was maybe running more miles or something, that probably have some more fats, but if I knew the next day, I was going to run more So I did do one tablespoon of honey, which still my carbs were under 30, even if I had a whole brick, really? And a tablespoon of honey. And then I was going to go up to two tablespoons after two weeks. And I think I did, maybe did it twice, but I didn't feel like I needed it.
So I really didn't, I think I tried twice and that was when I had worked out twice, and I ran once. But beside that like I just stuck to the 1 tablespoon because I didn't feel like I needed anymore. Is that mostly for like just a flavor or what? What's the main bendtner motivation for the honey. How was your day? I was seeing like how I feel like especially like after running and then going straight to the gym, like I would do the tablespoon after my run before I
hit the gym. I don't know if I saw benefits from it or not. Like I felt fine going to the gym afterwards because I like with the Whole animal-based 30, Paul Saladin was doing and that's why I was thinking of adding honey. And then so yeah, I did do the, the honey, so meet bricks, and I didn't honey here and there so going into March so I This is definitely want to talk to you
about. I was going to add Dairy back in, like, and that's raw dairy, because I took it out this last month, with the extra fat, from the key to break and stuff. So, like, raw, I have a, there's a farm where I can get raw, 18 milk, that's easily digestible. They have raw 80 cheese. They have rocky fur or yogurt, Greek yogurt. It's all Are some minimally processed and stuff and then I also was thinking about adding fruit. So like berries and stuff. No, I was going to ask you what
you thought. Yeah, because obviously that would raise the carbohydrates a little bit. Ultimately, my when I was thinking about this like last year and I was thinking about like, what I was going to do this year. I just knew that I didn't. I never wanted to go over like 100 grams a day and I don't even know if I so. Yeah, so I don't as far as fruits concerned. It's kind of weird. Like I don't understand why there's been this massive hype
around meat and fruit. Like I know Saladin has been promoting it. I know carnivore Alias has been promoting it. I know liver. I don't know, flipping hands actually or not. But like all these, you know, quote-unquote, you know, X. Birds and influencers are doing this meat and fruit thing, but I don't see any inherent benefit from a performance standpoint
with the fruit. Like, I don't, I don't expect anybody to, you know, randomly include a bunch of fruit and then have this miraculous change. Like, I don't expect that at all. Now, if you want fruit and, you know, you have it in moderation. It's not causing issues and you just want to have that back in your palette. You know, who am I to say? You know, I more power to ya but I don't think there's any like, woohoo miraculous amazing thing that's going to happen with the
inclusion of fruit. So like that's what I would say. They're like, I don't include fruit because I don't like if I'm getting to a certain number of calories to consume that day and I don't expect to have any performance benefit from the fruit. I would rather allocate those calories towards fats and proteins which I would see inherent benefit from. So that's why I don't want to include fruits like sometimes. You'll have a couple berries.
Just don't you randomly but it's like well below 15 grams of total carbs, you know, for the day, even with a few berries. Yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at with things crystals pregnant. She's 30 weeks pregnant and she has stayed below 30 grams, total carbs throughout her entire pregnancy. The most you'll ever have is like a bowl full of some berries, as well with some heavy cream covered him. Yeah, but like, I don't honestly have a clue. Why there's been this massive
push. A fruit people saying that it's going to like, you know miraculously fix your hormones or ramp up your metabolism or all this like, you know, frou-frou stuff. That's not mad help help with sleep or whatever. Yeah, what I do seem, I see a lot of people, I see a lot of people in the low-carb keto space that, you know, they experienced some acute benefit from adding carbohydrates, or adding fruit from, like, sleep
and stress standpoint. But in this is a But those same people are also under eating calories to begin with. So their bodies already more stressed out. Their hormones are already suboptimal. If you're eating in a caloric maintenance or Surplus and you have a healthy Baseline to begin with, then I don't anticipate any benefit, you know, from the inclusion of, you know, a bunch of fruit or carbohydrates, or something like that.
These, these people that are, you know, balancing their cycle or something like these women that have irregular. Cycle. Then they have a big bowls of carbohydrates and their cycle, regulates, you know, acutely. There are oftentimes the ones that are chronically under eating as well. And that's the underlying reason while their Cycles messed up to begin with. Got it. So kind of a long-winded response, but no. Yeah, because I literally I
don't besides the key rubric. That is the only manufactured. If you could say, manufacture thing that I eat, like I don t know, Kito snacks. I don't buy none of that stuff. It's good heater breaks out. That's the only thing like because the most of this stuff or like Al you lows and like, yeah, so he just makes it makes me feel gross. And so I haven't touched any of that this go-around.
Yeah, and I do have an occasional sugar free energy drink, and yes, it has sucralose and that which I think, man, I mean, I'll have one of those on occasion as well. You know, I've got the bricks obviously. I know, I'm still the first person to person. Hey, look, You make sure that you prioritize wholesome, single ingredient Foods first and foremost, you know, because most of the products out there are honestly just crap.
I, it saddens me to see so many companies, you know, stooping, so low just to improve their profit margin to the point where they're preying on ignorant. Consumers and just simply slap in the word keto on their packaging.
Like I hate that. That's why I don't use net carbs on the label like its total carbon, the brick, you'll never see a brick labeled net carbs anything like, I don't want to be Be dishonest or misleading at all because every other company, every other company, but most of the companies out there are and I don't even want to be associated with them. I don't want to be doing the math. I'm trying to make it as easy as I can for my, for my mind right
now. As I take a break from tracking, but no, my wife picked up some, some whipped cream for the, for the kids for something or another for like hot chocolate or some homemade hot chocolate or something. And it said, Kita, wanna and I was like, this is the exact same formulation that it has always been with like one gram of carb and she's like, what said kito's like it's the exact same thing. Yeah, exact same thing. They didn't do anything to it.
And all these companies that are making these bars that have, you know, if they've got, take, take all the the calculus out of the equation, just look at the numbers. If there is more, Rates than there is fat or protein, and my opinion by definition. It is not even keto, so you can do whatever kind of miraculous, you know, subtract the fiber, count the don't count the aliens or sugar alcohols or whatever. Like to me. That's just not keto. So, you know, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Have you tried the magic spoon cereal? I have not. They've emailed me asking if they can sponsor the podcast, but I don't do podcast sponsorship. So I haven't, I haven't done that. Okay, I've heard good things about, I bought some for the kids because I was like, done with them, eating sugary cereal and I was like, babe. I'm just gonna buy it. Yeah, it's more expensive. At least they're not getting much of sugar from whatever
cereal she buys them. So, yeah, I mean, really, they really liked it. I probably wouldn't eat it personally, because I've got a super strict standard on what I eat, but for yeah, in that situation, if your kids are used to eating cereal like the normal crappy cereal. You and you swap out, you know that for a better still like that's 100% a good reason to go that way. For sure. For sure, what else we're done with. So what do you think it for next month? What are you planning on doing?
Now, I don't know. So. I don't know. I may add some like berries or something. I don't know. Yeah, and I don't ever wanna come across and demonizing berries by any means so like know. Yeah, I takes that takes my my statements that direction. I mean, it may be like this month. We're like, you know, I thought I was going to add an extra tablespoon of honey because I was running so much and stuff, but I felt fine like Just keeping my car's.
I made this like keep my carbs under 50 and next month and and not go above that. And that's total carbs, obviously, because I am doing the math to figure out what net carbs. It, carves. It is no problem man, because I will I'm add the raw dairy back in it, but I must stick to just raw goat's milk this month, I
think. So, and then the real yogurt and some rotten cheese, but I honestly, I don't like, including a whole lot of cheese, but there are certain things like sometimes on. It's a cheese to like eggs or something, or make a chafa land, wrap, it or piedmontese, has some amazing hot dogs that are like, all beef. It's from basically, from steak trimmings. Oh, nice. And there's only like 10 grams of fat and like 20 grams. Protein in the hot dog.
Have you ever like they remind me of like or like it will polish hot dog that you could get it, like, Costco back in the day. Yeah, but it's like 10 grams of fat, 21 grams of protein. I think there's a like one gram of carb or something, but they're super good. But my wife, she's about a half a cow, so I was playing Tetris yesterday in In the deep freezer. Trying to put it all in there. She got it from a local Farmer.
They do grass-fed, don't think I don't think it's brass finish but from a local place, where she's from and Kentucky, so I'm pretty excited about that. That's awesome. And we we gotta count and I butchered it few months back, but it's in Washington right now. So, I've got my half cows in Washington state. So I gotta find a way to get To Arkansas, that's my home state. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you're, if you're back in town swing by and get my half a cow. Yeah, we could travel across
country. It be a road trip. There you go. I'm all for it, man. I'm all right. I definitely, I need to figure out a way to this year, to make it out to the compound and check out a new spot and get some lifts and our doors are always open for you, man. We can get a tiny. Go hunting to. We can go hunting. We can do it all, man. I'm all for it. I'm all right. I bet and I bet with my, my wife's headed out the door and overseas in July for six months. So So maybe we can do it before then.
Yeah, maybe we can do before then when it is hunting scene at season end, I will bow season ends. Today actually, is the type the last day of bow season Arkansas. Are there goes until the end of February, but it starts up again in like September. So pretty long season for bow hunting. Okay, and that's that's only what you do, right? No, I do rifles. Well rifle, season border. I think rifle season starts in November second weekend in November here.
Then it goes through, like half a December and there's like a weakened for like the Christmas hunt, three days after Christmas, but it's a pretty short season especially compared to Bowen. Okay, so we can play in the hunt and after she gets back from her employment because I'll be due for a vacation where I can relax after being with kids for six months by myself. Yeah, but at least make it out to the compound before she heads out the door. I definitely want to try to plan that.
Are you going in the Oz here. Yes, I plan on going to the keto Summit that, as long as it's in this far, as I know, it's still happening that same weekend as the arch. Yeah. Akhil Khan, I'm not sure yet. Just because that's the same. Is that June or July July. So, that's the same month, my wife leaves on her deployment and I'm not sure exactly what day she leaves. That one might be a little difficult to.
The go to even if she's still here, I don't wanna leave right before she leaves and I ain't going to see her for six months. No, she probably wouldn't appreciate this. Oh, but my mom's going to come down. So or I'ma drop the kids off at some families for that weekend at like the keto, some at Omaha. Nice. Well, that'll be sweet man. I'm excited to be marching with you on them. And then we'll definitely link up get a lift in get a hunt in. Get a run in and do all the
things man, grill steak. For sure. Oh, I know. I want to First Take Out of the freezers dear, we can make it happen. Man. Ain't no doubt about it. Ain't no doubt about it. Well shoot man. I'm excited to have you back in the in the space back on on this this nutrition. There's everything I can do for you, man, you know how to get ahold of me for sure. What? Where do people go to find out more about you? And look at all the food, you
can be posting again. Well, before I say that, I have to say on here that after a year of not having a key tobruk. And that that first bite, I think which one I probably chose the I think I did the butter. Maple pecan is my first one back. Well, so opening it you get that. Maple flavor just like bursting out of the package, but that first bite.
Like, it's not like I forgot how good they were, but that first bite I bit into it. I was like, oh my goodness, like I haven't had one of these in year like this is delicious. Like it was like an all-new experience that like I hadn't had in so long. So I do guys say that Instagram is at, I am DJ web on Instagram and that's pretty much all I like I got, I don't do no Tick-Tock Earnest. And so yeah, I'm not a big talker either.
People keep saying I should do it, but I just and that's what all the kids are doing these days. I can't keep up. We do everything. Yeah, I tried to do what I did, one of my daughter like she was telling me a joke and I couldn't figure out how to do anything on there. Like, I could barely figure, I couldn't figure out how to like put music or cut it or anything. I don't even do the reels on Instagram.
There's like a point with social media where it's like like, I don't know like there's just I don't have enough bandwidth to do it. All. I don't have enough man with to be the business owner that I need to be the Additive body butter that need to be the husband that I need to be the soon-to-be. Father. I need to be and also be a freaking Tick-Tock dance star. Like I can't do all of it.
Yeah. And the whole yeah real II still can't I try to do a real the other day with that broomstick challenge, which I want to see you. Do I really do it? I haven't, I haven't tried it yet. But I saw one I did it. But goodie beats that, I did it wrong because I brought my feet from the side instead of like directly underneath me. I don't know. I've seen people do it either way. Did you get EBT? No, not yet. I don't see you talking smack to
you, but he ain't done yet. I guess it sounds laughing about. It. Sounds like good eats. I gotta get him on the stage with us too, and that'd be pretty cool. Three was competing. I would be a lot of fun Sho'nuff man. What DJ always a pleasure catching up with you brother. If there's anything I can do just hit me up. Let me know and I'll talk to you soon, man. Hi Robert, I appreciate you man. I appreciate and Crystal. I don't want to leave crystal out. Yeah, she's my better half for
sure. No doubt about it. You guys, you guys are an awesome team and I'm so excited for you guys and Baby Savage on the way. Okay, he'll be here. You can't make it there and then you can meet him. Yes, sir. Awesome man. Well, I'll talk to you soon, brother. All right. Take care. See you. DJ.