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was it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus quice you bick hello, get Someboddy out here when I'm out there.
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All folks want to welcome o guest to the show. It is Steve from Washington State. Welcome to the show man.
Thank you, thanks for the invite.
Absolutely, I'm glad to have you been looking forward to this. So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing? What guy you interested in the subject.
To begin with.
Probably the same way I think a lot of squatchers get started. I've heard a lot of people talk about the Patterson Gemlin film, and of course when I was a kid, that was just coming out, and of course that came along with a lot of other new documentaries and things like that they'd be showing on TV, and of course the idea was a little more new than and of course that kind of changed everything with that film. And then there were some other movies that came out
not too long after that. One notably was The Legend of Boggy Creek, and I've heard a lot of squatches of my generation that kind of got them interested because that just good. Everybody we go to school and talk about that movie. So it was more of a curiosity most of my life as I was growing up. But I grew up on a farm in Montana, so I grew up out in the country and spent a lot
of time in the woods. In fact, when I was a kid, I used to go out in our past year and camp by myself and got used to that.
That's why even to this state, when I go out in the woods, I'm usually solo.
Then fast forward the calendar about twenty years when I moved away from Montana. I ended up Spokane for a short time here in Washington State. Then I went in the military. I spent most of my twenties on the military, and when I got out, I went to school for drafting. My first job, actually my internship, which turned into a regular job, was as a map maker. A lot of people have heard of people turning their hobbies into professions. This was the other way around. I actually turned my
profession into a hobby. So later on, after I left that job, I was drawing maps for a PUD. I kept the map make on is really more of a hobby, but I also work contracts on the psych drafted maps. So I went into mechanical design, but I kept mapping. Then, roughly about twenty ten, I had gotten involved in the missing Persions cases, a local case where an eight year old boy had disappeared from a school. I got involved with the search parties. Mostly what I did I shot
video and photographed. There's a lot of events, a lot of publicity about it.
Now, before we go any further, I want to take a minute and talk about something that has absolutely nothing to do with Bigfoot. And look, I know what you're thinking, Why are you bringing up a missing person's case in the middle of a sasquatch interview. The simple answer is because I was a cop for many years, and I also host a true crime podcast called The Guilty Five, and this case has haunted me for years. And Steve just told us that he worked with the people who
investigated the disappearance. I plan to cover this case on The Guilty Files in the coming weeks, So if you're into true crime, check out the show. The case of Kyen Horman is one of those stories that just burrows into your brain and refuses to leave. And I think it's important that we keep talking about cases like this because the moment we stop talking about them is the moment they disappear from public memory. And this little boy
has already disappeared once. He doesn't deserve to disappear again. So here's what happened. On the morning of June fourth, twenty ten, a seven year old boy named Kirene Richard Horman woke up and got ready for what should have been one of the most exciting days of his young life. It was Science Fair day at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon. Kiren had put together a display about the red eyed tree frog. Seven year olds love weird animals. It's basically
a law of nature. His stepmother, Terry Horman, drove him to school that morning instead of putting him on the bus so he could set up his exhibit early. They walked through the science fair together. Terry even took a photo of Kyrone standing next to his project, this big proud grin on his face. That photograph would become one of the most recognized images in Oregon history, and for
all the wrong reasons. According to Terry, she last saw Kyron walking down the hallway toward his second grade classroom at around eight forty five that morning. She said, she left the school, loaded up her one year old daughter, who had been with them, and headed out. She claimed she spent the next couple of hours driving around the heavily wooded West Hills area near the school because her daughter wasn't feeling well and the driving helped soothe her.
Here's the thing, though, at ten am, Kyne's teacher marked him absent. He never made it to class, but nobody called home. Nobody flagged it. In a world where we can try track of pizza from the oven to our front door. In real time, a seven year old boy simply vanished from inside a school and nobody noticed for hours. It wasn't until three point thirty that afternoon, when Kirene didn't get off the bus, that the alarm was finally raised. Terry and Kyne's father, Caine Horman, who had been at
work all day, rushed to the school. A school secretary called nine to one pint one, and just like that, one of the most baffling missing persons cases in American history was under way. What followed was the largest search and rescue operation in Oregon history. Over thirteen hundred volunteers and law enforcement officers from Oregon, Washington, and California fanned out across the area. They searched the dense woods around the school. They searched Soviet Island about six miles away.
They searched properties and outbuildings and sheds. They searched for ten straight days. They found nothing, not a shoe, not a scrap of clothing, not a single trace of Kien Horman. And this is where the case takes a turn that honestly reads more like a crime novel than real life. Less than two weeks after Kiren disappeared, police stopped the search and made an announcement that sent chills through the community.
They upgraded the case from a missing child investigation to a criminal investigation, and they publicly stated they did not believe Kien had been abducted by a stranger. Read between the lines on that one, folks. The investigation zeroed in on Terry Horman almost immediately, and the reason started stacking up like cord Wood. First, her story had problems. She said she left Kiren walking toward his classroom, but four separate witnesses reported seeing Terry leading Kyen back toward her
truck that morning after the science fare. Four people. That's not a misunderstanding, that's a contradiction. Second, her cell phone records raised red flag. Investigators determined her phone data didn't match up with where she claimed to be that morning. She said she was driving around the West Hills, but the data suggested otherwise. Third, and this is a big one, Terry failed two polygraph examinations in the days immediately following
Kyroene's disappearance. Then she refused to take a third. Meanwhile, Kyene's biological mother, Desiree Young, his father Kane, and everyone else connected to the case passed their polygraphs without issue, and then things got even stranger. Three weeks after Kien vanished, Caine moved out of the family home. That same day, Terry made two nine to one one calls, one classified as a threat's call and the other as a child
custody call. Then came the bombshell. A landscaper who worked for the Horman family, a man named Rodolfo Sanchez, came forward and told investigators that about five months before he disappeared, Terry had approached him and offered him money to kill her husband. Five months before her step son vanished, she was allegedly shopping for a hitman. Investigators actually wired Sanchez up and had him confront Terry while wearing an audio surveillance device, but she didn't take the bait and they
couldn't make an arrest. And here's where it gets even wilder. It was later reported that this wasn't even the first time Terry had been investigated for a murder for higher plot. She had allegedly been looked at for trying to hire someone to kill a boyfriend before she even moved to Portland. Three separate murder for Higher investigations, and yet to this day she has never been charged with anything. Caine filed
for divorce. Desiree Young filed a ten million dollar civil lawsuit against Terry, accusing her of being responsible for Kyron's disappearance. She eventually had to drop it because investigators told her it was interfering with their criminal case. A grand jury was convened, witnesses were subpoened. Cane testified, Desiree testified, the school principal testified, but by the end of twenty ten, the grand jury had failed to produce a compelling enough
case for an indictment. Terry, who has since remarried and now goes by Terry Vasquez, has always denied any involvement. In twenty sixteen, she went on Doctor phil and floated a theory that a man in a white pickup truck had kidnapped Kirene. That remains one of the only times
she has spoken publicly about the case. Meanwhile, the search costs ballooned to an estimated one point four million dollars, Over four thousand tips poured in, and yet fifteen years later, not one single piece of physical evidence has ever been recovered. No body, no clothing, no DNA nothing. Kyen Horman simply ceased to exist on the morning of June fourth, twenty ten. Now I want to be careful here because nobody has
been charged in this case. Terry Horman is legally a person of interest, not a suspect, and she maintains her innocence. But I'll say this, when you've got four witnesses contradicting your story, cell phone records that don't match your alibi, two failed polygraphs, a murder for higher plot against your husband, and you were the last known person with the missing child, Well, the math on that doesn't look great. A close friend
of Terry's name Dede. Spicer, was also working in the West Hills area that morning and was reportedly unaccounted for by her co workers for a couple of hours. That detail has never been fully explained, and it's one of those loose threads that drives investigators and true crime followers absolutely crazy. In twenty seventeen, a secret grand jury was still hearing evidence in the case. Law enforcement conducted additional searches along Skyline Boulevard that year, but again came up empty.
The original detectives on the case have all since retired, for years, the investigation appeared to be losing momentum. But there's a reason I'm bringing this up now because there's some new developments that are worth paying attention to. In twenty twenty five, a new Moultnomah County District Attorney named Nathan Vasquez took office and made the Chien Horman case a priority. He ordered a thorough, methodical review of the
entire case with fresh eyes. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, working alongside Gresham Police detectives, has spent the past year digitizing and reorganizing every piece of evidence in the case. We're talking thousands upon thousands of pages of reports, photographs, and evidence being scanned and converted into a modern digital format. And here's the part that gives me some cautious hope. Once that digitization is complete, the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit
is stepping in to re examine everything. These are the profilers. These are the people who analyze statements and narratives and evidence, who look for behavioral patterns and inconsistencies, and who compare cases against similar investigations nationwide. They're going to go through every witness statement with a fine toothed comb, looking for contradictions, looking for things that were corroborated, looking for gaps that
might have been overlooked the first time around. Now a former prosecutor named Jeanine O'Neil Robbin has been doing her own digging into this case, and she's raised some concerns. She obtained records showing that the Sheriff's office only logged about two hundred eighty seven hours on the case in fiscal year twenty twenty three, three hundred seventy one hours in twenty twenty four, and just twenty nine hours in the first three months of fiscal year twenty twenty five.
Those aren't the numbers of an agency actively building a case. Those are the numbers of an agency fielding tips as they come in. But the renewed effort under the new DA and the FBI involvement could change that equation dramatically. As of right now, in early twenty twenty six, the case remains officially open and active. There's a fifty thousand dollars reward for information leading to its resolution. Kirene Horman
would be twenty three years old today. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has released age progressed images, estimating what he might look like now. He had brown hair, blue eyes, wore glasses, and had a distinctive V shaped strawberry birthmark on his forehead. His mother, Desiree Young, has
never stopped fighting. She has become an expert on missing persons cases, speaking at law enforcement gatherings, organizing annual fundraisers to fund continued searches, and building a circumstantial case that she presents publicly at events like True Crime Fest Northwest. She has a loyal following of supporters called Kirene Horman's World Soldiers, who maintain a Facebook presence and produce content
keeping the case alive. She also worked with author Rebecca Morris on a book called Boy Missing that details the case and and the reasons she suspects Terry Horman. And that right there is why I brought this up, Because somewhere out there, somebody knows something. That's how these cases work. Somebody always knows. And sometimes it takes sixteen years for a conscience to catch up with a person. Sometimes it
takes a new set of eyes on old evidence. Sometimes it takes technology that didn't exist when a crime was committed. If you have any information about the disappearance of Chiron Horman, you can contact the Moltnomah County Sheriff's Office tip line at five three nine eight eight zero five six zero. You can email tips at MCSO dot us, or you can contact the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
at one eight hundred Do the Lost. Now that I thoroughly depressed you, let's get back to Bigfoot and stay tuned for more sasquatch Ott to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Then, I think it must have been about twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. Somebody in one of the groups said we should have one of those drones, and drones were in their infancy a little bit more. Then in about twenty twenty I decided to integrate drones into map making, so that just melded together. Then it must have been about twenty twenty one when I moved over here from Spokane. I started to kind of get interested in the Bigfoot stuff a little bit more. But a lot of that
was because it's the culture here. There's a lot of Bigfoot culture, and there's a lot of Bigfoot stuff here. I started hanging around up in the Gifford pinch On National Port went up to Mount Saint Helens and I had an experience. One must have been about about two thousand and eight, and I was up in an area called Eight Cave, which is really only a few miles as the crow flies from a place called Aiden Valley, and of course Ayton Valley is the area where a
lot of people have heard the story. There was some miners back in the twenties had a cabin there and they got ran out by what they called They were calling them sasquatch. Then they called them Harry devils. That was just what they came up with. I was up there one time. Where eight Cave is, there's a main entrance and then there's a trail and that goes to a further entrance, and between those two there's a big
open area. It's not a clearcut like there's a lot of open areas up there with they're clearcuts, but this is up it's a big open area that's right over top of the Eighth Cave and there's a lot of volcanic rock there and I used to go and poke around, climb around on those rocks. And one time I was up there and everything just got really weird. Are we just standing there? Everything just got really quiet. Anybody that's been up in the different pinchild they know it's not
a quiet place up there. There's birds going and gets windy up there. But all of a sudden, you could hear a pin drop. I smelled something really bad, and it was weird because I was right out in this open area, so I wasn't really even close to the tree line, but you could smell this really clearly. It smelt like, you know what a horse smells like. You're standing right next to a horse, and a horse has a smell of its own. The only thing that I've
smelt before that smelt anything like that, or camels. Of course, camels they're a lot stronger than a horse, and this was like that. But I could still right out in this open area, and I just had this idea that there's obviously something wrong up there, but you can't see.
You don't know what it is.
But I kept thinking, there's something right in that tree line. It's just that feeling they yet that you can't explain. After that kind of stuck in the back of my mind. A few years later, I must have been in about it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. I'd ran across in a restaurant. There was some Bigfoot researchers that
had gathered there. I think it was like a meetup or something, because they had a little sign on their table, and I got to talking with them, and let's tell them that I was a mat maker and I used drones. By this time, I was using drones for mat making.
They were asking me how much i'd charge them because they had an area and they found some structures and prints and some interesting things, and they were asking me what I would charge them to go and drone and map the area for him, and I told them, heck, I'd do that for free. That just sounded like fun. So I did a little pro bunnel job for him. And then by that time, after the interaction with them, I started hitting all the squatch fests and all the
Bigfoot festivals. So I wanted to learn more about what's going on here. Read that Jeff Melderm's buck. Yeah, then I just I almost just fell into it. And then it must have been about twenty twenty three. I had taken a missing person case out of Boise, Idaho. It was a little older case that it dawned on me that I should have some sort of Internet presence so families that needed those types of services to find me and get a hold of me. So that's when I
started Steve Surges. That's what I pretty much operate on it right now. I have Steve Searches out of a YouTube channel and a Facebook page. Just go on YouTube, look for Steve Searches and they'll find all my material. So I started doing more of the bigfoot stuff because it was just more readily available. You could just go out here. You can just go out and find bigfoot things everywhere. You can find bigfoot people, and you can
go online, you can find groups. So then last year I started going out and spending the night up in the Gifford Pinchow started spending nights up there, So it didn't take long for me to start running into more people that were interested in.
What I was doing.
Because I thought, hecked, if I'm going to be doing this, I'm going to be out here all this time and solo camping and looking for a big hairy monsters, I might as well just get a GoPro and just record the whole thing. You know, just sticking on the YouTube and people want to watch it, they can watch it. If not, who knows where it's going to go. So early last year, must have met about February or March. I was contacted by Michelle he of the Sweet Home
Oregon Sasquat Research group. They have a Facebook group. She had some interesting ideas and it invited me to go with her and some of her people out in Oregon for a camp out. So I did that and we all got to be pretty good friends. So I've been working pretty closely with them for this last year. They've joined me on a few outings up at Mount Saint Helens and I go down there once in a while and join them and help some of the stuff they have gone on. They've supported me quite a bit. They've
allowed me to post my videos in their group. And then there was another group that we encountered that was a bigger group. It was called the Sasquatch Highway and they've been really supportive too. They openly let me post all of my stuff there and I've gotten a lot of attention from these. So that's how I got into it.
So now you actively go out and do what you would call investigations or your own research into these things. What is your approach to the research? Are you coming from a this is a big hairy ape in the woods. You're an aper, you're in the flesh and blood camp. Do you get into the high strangeness of the WU What is your approach when you go out doing your solo camps looking into the subject.
When I first started going out and pursuing this, I had read, like I was saying, Jeff Melderm's book, and I stuck with the science only philosophy. But then when I started running around with the sweet Home group, they have a lot more diversity as far as they have some not necessarily people that are their research group, but people on their Facebook page and stuff. I wouldn't have really entertained the idea of partoles and things like that
five years ago. But now I'm thinking that I may have been wrong the whole time, because it seems like our time I spent out in the woods. The more I realized that I don't know, you know what I'm saying. See, I try to avoid making conclusions out of things that I find, because I always talk about this too. I have a chemistry professor one time that put it eloquently, he said, you can't prove stuff. You don't prove stuff.
The things that we believe is all based on matters of probability, how probable or how possible we think things aren't. The more I learn, the more probable the existence of Bigfoot seems to me.
One of the things that has always gotten under.
My skin over the years is that you see a lot of museums, especially a lot of modern science. And this is not a stab against science or anything like that, but now they seems like when you go into museums, they have all of these exhibits all put together, and it's almost like they're thinking for you, showing you and explaining to you or demonstrating this is the way things were.
But what happens is every twenty thirty years we find out, wow, that wasn't really true, because you figure, I think in my lifetime, most people still believe that dinosaurs were descendants of lizards. I can even remember when I was a kid. I can remember TV shows and cartoons that depicted cavemen hiding from dinosaurs. Well back there was a time in history where the scientific community would have supported the same idea because not that they weren't smart, It's just they
didn't know better. My philosophy really behind research is I'm the guy that's going to go out I'm going to look for things. I'm gonna look for patterns. I'm gonna look for structures or prints or anything that could quite just something unusual, and I'll.
Get it on video. I'll measure it, I'll map it.
I'll bring all this stuff back and I'll present it to people and I'll let them make their own conclusions.
Gotcha, you're going out there alone. Is that something that you just chose to do or you can't find anybody to go out there with you? Because I never recommend for anybody to go solo camping, just because I know it's a thing people like to do it. I have friends who love to do it. There's just something that
it sticks with me about. I do a lot of missing persons cases on the show, and I talk about people who go missing all the time in wild areas, whether it be a National park, whether it be an adjacent area, and people go out solo and they never come back. So is that a conscious choice because of the research, or is that just a personal choice of yours to go out and do it solo.
It's something that I've always done. Anyhow, I've done it since I was a kid, so I don't really even think about it too much. It's kind of like one of those things where you tell your kids not to do something, but you do it. Don't do as I do, just do as I say. But I enjoy having people come out. I even mentioned sometimes on my videos if someone wants to come and ride along, They're welcome to it.
They're welcome to do that. But I also I understand the dangers, but I mitigate that by I operate within pretty wide margin in a safety I have little rules. I have certain rules that I have made for myself, and I don't break them. I only have certain ranges as far as like how far away from the truck will go. When I was in the military, we had one of the general orders that we always had to memorize was that nothing we did in peacetime warranted unnecessary risk.
I have that same philosophy and researching. I don't really take a lot of chance because I don't think, I mean what we're doing here. But it's interesting and it's fun. But at the end of the day, we're not really carrying cancer here. We're really just satisfying our own human curiosities, and that's just not worth taking a lot of risk.
Some examples might be like when I'm going up, if I'm driving out, saying the winter time, because I go out pretty much, I'll go up every weekend, nearly every weekend.
Through the whole year.
But if I'm on the roads, say, if I start to get to a point where there's enough snow in the roads to where I think that I may even have even a small problem turning around or getting off the road, that's when I stop and turn routed off. I don't wait to tell them in trouble, you know what I mean. Or if I'm out hiking, for example, if I'm out hiking, even if I'm on a trail, if things start to get uncomfortable.
I call it.
I turn around and go back, because yeah, you always have to remember this. As far out as you go, you're gonna have to go back that way you want to make a bag. So I also have protocols for areas. A lot of the areas that I go in there's no cell service. If you go in there and you break a leg or something you're just gonna be hosed. I just have a lot of roles and I don't break them.
Has there been any other experiences while you're out doing your research or have you found anything that would either convince you or bring you closer to a conclusion if you were on the fence about whether these things were real or not or what people are experiencing out there.
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
In fact, there was a p One of the main projects that I was pursuing last year was I had some harry Is mapped out that I repeatedly returned to. In fact, there was a few different camp areas that I spent pretty much the entire year at last year, and the idea was started putting out things like a little food and yefs apples and peanut buttery. This is
stuff that people say bag Butt likes. The idea was I wanted to get them used to me being out there so they would affiliate my smell with the good things. They started that in early April, and it must have been about June, and there are a few of the members of the Sweet Homework were out with me on the weekend. And my main camp is maybe three hundred yards there's a creek that runs through there and it's done an embankment. And it must have been about six in the morning.
We heard this really loud.
Rocks blacking together, and that's a pretty distinct sound. Michelle and I were up it was, Yeah, it was about six in the morning. We were having coffee and there was two other members and I think they were still sleeping it. This rock clacking went on for about ten minutes at least, and finally I said something like, what is that? So we walked over to the bank to look down and check it out. Right when we got
to the bank, at stopped and never started again. So I was doing my due diligence and looking for what kind of animals and banging rockstale and these would have had to have been big because we're up over the bank. Plus he had all the noise for the create and we heard that really clear and loud over that. The only thing that I wasn't able to find that clack rock staling like that. We're a ring tanks, of course,
we don't have those here. So if you rule out what it can't be, you really end up with a saslot, you know what I mean? And then it was just like I think it was only about three weeks after that. I was out there in that same case, must have been about six thirty at night. I'd put some game cams out that day and I was just wrapped it up and put camp up, and I was sitting there and I heard a tree fall, just a tree fall
in land. I thought, Wow, that's weird. How often in life are you there when a tree falls?
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
And so I was texting Michelle with the Sweet Home group, and I was telling her about this tree. Later on, it was about one thirty in the morning. Something woke me up, but I don't know what it was. And it was up for maybe about an hour. About two thirty, I heard something walking around my camp and I just sat there quietly listening to this, and I could hear it take a few steps and it would stop, and then maybe five or ten seconds later, it would take
a few steps and it would stop. But the weird thing about it was, See, when I was a kid, I used to camp in our pasture all the time. We had a cow down there, you know, I always knew when the cows came around, because cows are domin their carry ass, and so in the mornings, i'd peek out of my little sleeping bag and there would be this circle of cows just standing there looking at me.
But these footsteps weren't hugs. That was what stet out to me at the time.
It sounded more like some big, barefoot feet that were just walking because there's pine needles and things like that. In fact, I went back up there, it was probably that next weekend, and I took the goat throwing and around on the ground on stuff. See you could see exactly what kind of debreathe this would have been walking on. So anyhow, it's taken a few steps and it's stopping. It takes a few steps into stopping, and then I
hear this crackling sound. I knew right away with the crankling sound was it was the plastic tark that I always put my tent off. There's usually about four or five inches that stick out underneath tent. Whatever it was had stepped on that plastic guitar inside the oh, whatever it is, it's right on the other side of my tent. But at the time I wasn't really thinking that much about it being in a squash. I thought maybe it was just something else. I don't know, a raccoon or
something like that. But I thought it was just weird because the steps didn't sound like that. I remember that I had my tailgate flipped down because I flipped down. I use it for a camp table, and I always have these classic things that have on the food and stuff like that at them, and I thought, oh, I should probably run it off because it'll get into my stuff and then I'll have a big mess. So I did like a cat hissing sound when you try to run an animal or something out of your yard, you's yit.
So I did that, and then it got quiet, and then I never heard it. Progressive night. I never heard anything until about six thirty. About six thirty six forty, I hadn't gone back to sleep, you know, got woken up pretty suddenly by a big loud crack. It sounded like somebody snapping a thick limb. So I jumped out and thought it was like one of those when some clown he makes a big gloud noise when you're sleeping, you wake up and you kind of shake it like that.
So I had my breakfast and I thought, I'm not going to get any more sleep now. I was pulling out that day anyhow, so I thought I might as well just start breaking down cats. So I start breaking down cap and then I hear another one of these cracking sounds, and it was just up. He says, can't have a little road that goes into it, and the road has.
To curve to it. And it came.
From the same spot that I heard the tree fall the night before, and I thought, that's a little bit weird, and it was probably about the same thing that won't be up. And about five minutes later I heard another, and I heard another one. I heard the snap, and then you could hear something landing in the brush. By the time I got everything packed in my truck, I was just staying in the truck, and I was the very last thing I always do as I have my cat carpet and I throw it over my hood and
I sweep it off. And I just swept that off, and I heard this crack again, it real loud, and I looked up the road and there was a big limb that came across the road. The landed right in that brush there. That was when things came together and I thought the GISTs that I thought was there's something there and it really doesn't want me there. So I thought that might be a good time to get out of there. Luckily, I had everything packed and I have my side arm that I keep, and I.
Pulled it out because there's only one way.
And when we out of this camp, and so I crept up in the truck, screw down the road. You know, I was half expecting to start getting limbs on the truck. Luckily that never happened, but I just managed to creep out of there.
And then I stopped.
When I got out to the road, and I was thinking about what to do, because what do you do then, I've never really quite had that wasn't really planned. And so I stopped on the road and I got out of the truck for a minute, and then I heard it again, but this time it was in the tree line. It was right off the road. Whatever was following me up there. So I just decided that I'm going to cut it short.
So I just left.
I figure what I'll do is I'll go back later see if I find anything, which I did, but then go back until that next weekend. I found plenty of broken limbs laid around there. It's just that in the different pincho you got to look for stuff like that and you see it all day long, but you don't really know what it is. It could be anything, and
the grounds covered with broken limbs and stuff. But yeah, that was one of those where if you eliminate any animals and that break limbs and throw them around, that only leaves you one day.
It leaves you about one choice.
You mentioned it a couple of times before we get out of here. Talk about Steve Searches, your YouTube channel where people can find your stuff, what they're going to find when you get over there.
Mostly, my two main public outreach sources are the Facebook page in its Steve Searches, then my YouTube channel, which is the same name Steve Searches. I have actually started a new project that is called Planet Sasquatch, and I started that facebooton group and i'd been working on the website for it. That's gonna be a little bit more
of a comprehensive outlet. It's gonna be based on having things like gear reviews and a place specifically for researchers to gather and talk about what works and what doesn't, searching techniques and stuff like that. And then, of course, like I was saying, I've been working quite a bit with the sweet help Bregon Sasquatch Research Group. I've been working quite a bit with them, and they have some
pretty interesting projects coming on. And of course you always see my stuff on the Sasquatch Highway is like I said, they let me post on that.
That's pretty much it.
I do have an Instagram that I don't post very often on it. I have a Fiota Steve surges dot Com that goes to a blog. I have a blog and I'd probably posted it once or twice a year or something like that. But I keep links some stuff on there too. And then of course coming out soon will be Planet Sasqatch dot Com.
That'd be, like I said, pretty comprehensive website.
It definitely sounds like it. If it's out when we get this out, I will definitely link to it in the show notes. Otherwise, I will have the link for the YouTube and the Steve searches dot Com in the show notes for you guys to go over and check out Steve stuff. Steve I appreciate you coming on and sharing your stuff with us.
Man, Well yeah, thanks for having me. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
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