SO EP:726 Bigfoot Beach Combing

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to pull net. Todd instantly he found some of those glass balls that had the webbing on it from Korean fishing boats and stuff, so he was hooked. Found a walrus's skull and some other stuff. He was bit by the bug, the beachcombing bug, and so he got his pilot's license a couple of years after that, and he spent literally thirty years beachcombing. He would fly around the state. He'd been everywhere from Platinum on down to the southeast Alaska,

just beachcombing. Wherever he could find a safe place to land, he would land. He would beach the craft and then go beachcombing. Him and his wife. After he got married his wife, it only partook about twenty years of that. All the time it was their thing to do up until it got too cold to do it. Every year, he basically broke it down to where he worked so he could beachcomb so he could afford the fuel and to be able to maintenance the plane and all that.

So he literally was a slave to beachcombing. Those are his words. So they were down in southeast Alaska. They had bounced between three different islands. He gave me a general location. This place isn't too far from other inhabited places from what he dealt with. He doesn't want to be the guy that says, oh, here's the spot, and people potentially going there and getting themselves in trouble. So it was a third island of the day. It was larger than the other two because the other two they landed.

Him and Alicia beach combed all the way around, found a bunch of trash and plastic and they were like, an, let's let's try a bigger one and we'll call it a day. So Todd he took off. He circled around, he found the one. They flew low looking for any sign of bears on the beach and stuff like that, because they didn't want any conflict. He of course, he had a gun in his plane. So they land. He said it was weird. When he tied off the plane. He noticed weird noises in the woods, but there was

wind higher than ground level. And so it was blowing the tops of the trees, but not at surface level. So he chalked it up to that branches are breaking and falling from the wind. So yeah, no big deal. He grabbed his gun, of course, because there's been times he didn't bring it, and all of a sudden there was a bear come out on the beach right behind him, right, so he brings his rifle. It was at thirty out to six, and so him and his wife would take turns.

They weren't intentionally leap frogging, but one would get caught up looking at some stuff and the other one would continue on a little ways and then catch up and then continue on. Sometimes they were together, but always within eyesight. And Todd said that as they were going along the whole time. Once he tied off and he heard those weird noises in the woods, something kept drawing his attention to the woods. He just he didn't know why he

had his rifle. He checked it a couple times to make sure he had around in it, and he said he had never felt so uneasy with nothing around. No one was around, but there was no signs of bear. There was no bear tracks on the beach. There wasn't even deer sign or any animal sign whatsoever. So he just chalked it up to something's just off with the wind,

and I'm just being freaked out. He chalked it up, left it alone, and as they go a little further at this point there we got half mile from the plane, was his estimate, because they were doing a lot of staring at their feet, looking at the ground and stuff, and just looking for washed up artific Well, he said, they're going along and he hears this super sharp whistle off to his left hand side, and it stopped him and his wife both and Alicia was like, what was that?

That was real loud. He said that he'd never heard a bird or anything else make such a loud, sharp, crisp whistle, just real short, super loud. He said. It was almost ear piercing how loud it was, but it was so short, he said, it was the damnedest thing. So of course their attention's caught and they're looking off into the trees. Alicia's standing behind him, and they're about

he said, thirty feet from the grassy edge. You got the rocky beach going up with a little bit of sand and stuff, and then a bit of beach, and then the grass was hanging down in some shrubs and stuff, and there's a windblown area there and he's looking at it and he's looking into the grass and he sees a little bit of movement. So he's, oh, man, I wonder what that is. Because he had no reference point in that moment other than bear. He goes, man, I think I seen a bear moving, and he has Alisha

go with him. There was a big rock. It was about five foot tall and about ten foot in diameter, and it was like a little pinnacle a little further down the beach. So they went over there just to have something to be behind and keeping out for this bear. So as they're standing there, he has Alisia go to the other side of this rock and look down the beach because his view was obscured to his right hand side because he was off to the left hand side of the rock looking at the trees, just waiting to

see this bear. She's on the opposite side of the rock and she's doing the same thing, but looking further down. He said, he got super super quiet. They could hear the wind blowing up high. He kept getting distracted by the wind blowing because when the wind would blow, it seems like he'd hear more cracking. So he started assessing it, like, man, that's a lot of extra cracking when the wind blows. Something wasn't adding up to him, and he was sticking

to that feeling. He was like, something's not right. And so as he's sitting there considering everything it could be and just second guessing himself, all of a sudden, his wife is beside him and she's pale, and he's what's going on. Did you see it? Did you see it? And she goes, yeah, you could see it from the other side of this rock. And so instead of going back around like she did towards the ocean side, he went on the beach side and came around to get

a look, and he saw this thing squatted down. He said, it was about seventy five feet away. It was squatted down, and all he could see was just this brown thing. He couldn't make out arms, legs, had anything. It was

just a brown kind of mound. And he said, at first he was asking his wife, are you sure, because that looks like something just sleughed from the bank, just erosion, kind of a mound of grass maybe, And she goes, no, I watched it walk out and squat down, and he goes, tell me what you saw, and she said it looked like a man. It looked like a very large man with hair all over it. And he's right there. She's in shock, but she's very precise and very forceful about

what she saw. She said, that is a man over there, a very large man at that, and Todd's kind of thrown off. He's, what do you mean large man? She said it looked like he was wearing a hair coat of some kind, but he was very large. He's looking at this mound. She's telling him this, and he's trying

to put it together. His thirty out six didn't have a scope, it had open sites, but he did have some binoculars, so he had his wife digging his little day pack off his back while he's keeping an eye on this thing, to dig out his binocular She hands them to him and they're just a little small set, a little three or four by and he takes a look at it, and he said, as soon as he put eyes on it to the binocular, it stood up and walked off the beach instantly. As soon as he

put the binoculars up. As he was trying to focus on it, this thing stood up before he could really get a look at it, and it walked off. But he did say it walked off on two legs, and so did his wife. So it goes off into the trees and he's just holy crap. So immediately he's, hey, let's back out of here. Let's just find somewhere else to beach. Comber go on about our way. Alisha's all fours.

He's yeah, let's go. Let's go. So from what Todd was telling me, when they turned around and they started going back up the beach, that a half a mile or so to go down this beach, wind's blowing. It's loud, the winds above them. It's not at surface level, but the wind is obscuring all the noises of the woods. And as they're going along, he said, I intentionally slowed my pace, so I wasn't creating a chase instinct, you know,

that predator chase instinct. And he said he wished he had walked faster because as they were walking, they started hearing breaking and noises getting ahead of them. It got to a point to where he was like, whatever this is now ahead of us because just the sheer amount of noise that was going on, even when the wind gusts were died down and he could hear clearly something

was making noise off to their right, up into the trees. Right, he said, this island, there was a good maybe one hundred feet of beach to the hard line where the slough and erosion was with the grass and all the smaller shrubs, then another maybe hundred feet before it started

going up on the sheer rock and stuff. Right, because this is southeast Alaska, most things are fjord like, he said he was trying to figure out what best route to take as far as what they were doing, because he felt like imminent danger was in front of him. But he's torn because the plane is just down the ways. He knows right where the plane is, and that's basically safety.

We'll get out of here with that. He also said that when they stopped and he was thinking about it, he's bouncing ideas off his wife, and she goes, let's get in the water and just walk in the water and make more distance. He's no, we could get hypothermia before we even get to the plane. Because she's freaking out. She's hearing the same noises, and she's trying to show a brave face and support Todd in his decision. But she's we need to just hurry up to the plane.

Then let's just go. We'll stay as close to the water as possible and get to the plane. So that was their game plan. So as they start along, they're moving at a pretty good clip, but one portion of the beach there's this one area with pretty big rocks and stuff, so it wasn't going to be easy. They'd have to cut further up towards the bank to negotiate

these rocks. So from what Alicia said at that point, when they got to those rocks, from her vantage point behind him about five feet, giving him room because he was holding the gun in his hands and constantly hit on his swivel, looking back and forth. She was giving him distance in case he had to do something right.

And she said, as they were going along and they reached that point and we're about to go around it, all of a sudden, she heard like a rock hitting rocks, and so she looks down and she noticed a fresh scuff place with the rock, just a small one, not quite the size of an apple, had landed by them, and so she pointed it out to Todd, say, hey, there was a rock that just hit back here, and he goes, I heard it. Are you sure it was a rock? Was it thrown or did you accidentally kick it?

But he's trying to process of elimination. She was like, I didn't kick anything. I've been tiptoeing behind you. So Todd said, all right, let's get moving. So they had to cut back towards the bank, and as they're doing this half moon to get around this cluster of rocks. They didn't want to mess with going over because it was slimy and slippery because of the tide and all that kind of stuff. And Todd said, when they got to about the apex of that half moon, the trees

lit up off to the right. All he heard was this scream and wailing and a bunch of breaking branches and just chaotic noise. Immediately he has a rifle up, he's got a point in that direction. He clicks the safety off, and he said, as he was standing there surveying, just going back and forth with the gun, just looking for, you know, whatever's doing this, Alicia behind them starts crying and saying, let's just go. We gotta move, we gotta move,

and he agrees. He was just making sure that it wasn't going to just come bursting out of the trees. So he has her go a little ways ahead, then he catches up to her, has to go a little further ahead, and while he was doing that, he was keeping the rifle on the tree line. He said, once they got past that half moon area, they came around a little bit of a it was mainly sandy area in that spot. They could see the plane just down away, so he had a little sense of relief. They're going along.

He keeps looking off to his right. The noises died down. They stayed back in that area where the rocks were, and so he started calming down a little bit. But he's souper on edge hyped up something screaming, they saw this thing walking, he said. They got within one hundred and fifty yards of the plane at the point where he stopped holding the rifle in his hands and flung it over his shoulder because there was a little more beach there, but went to about one hundred and twenty

feet before the brush and the tree line started. He felt a little more room to move, but not overly cautious. I guess you can't be in those situations, So he said, no suitering these slings the rifle over his shoe. All of a sudden, this thing showed itself again. And he said, as soon as he got it up onto his shoulder, about half the distance of about roughly seventy yards between him and the plane, this thing walked out onto the beach. He said, it took about seven steps to get to

the water. It squatted down by the water, glanced over its shoulder at them, like paying them no mind, but acknowledging they were there, and there stopped. He unslung the rifle, of course, and he's holding it again, and he said, this thing just messed around in the water a little bit, stood up, looked at them in their direction, then turned and walked right back up the beach, just like it was another day. I asked him, I said, what did you feel in that moment? Do you think it was

sizing you up or what do you think? And he was like, I have no clue. But as soon as he slung the rifle, it showed itself walked out right down to the water. Lion squatted down, turned and looked towards them, swrolled his hands in the water, stood up, turned and faced him, and then turned and walked right back away, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. He said, it all

happened literally that fast. When he said, he was surprised how very few steps it took for it to get there and get back. And I asked him how tall do you think it was? He against himated twelve foot tall. He said it wasn't overly thick and muscular. You could tell it was fit, but it was more lanky. He said. The length of the arms, the way it moved was just so surreal. He said, it was almost like watching the Patterson Gimlin footage with a skinnier creature that's a

little taller. I asked about what it looked like. He didn't have a very good look at it as far as its facial features. He said the skin was obviously way darker than the hair. He said the hair was a lighter brown, like a slightly grizzled look to it. The skin tone was very dark. I said, was it like black dark or lighter than that, and he said, honestly, with the way the lighting and everything was, he could not tell. But it was very dark skinned. He couldn't

make out the eyes. He could tell that whatever this thing was much bigger than them, but it just wasn't enough. Because of his shock and everything going on, he didn't get a lot of detail with that. So once this thing clears the beach and his back up in the trees, they hear that sharp whistle again. When he hears that sharp whistle, he's looking in that direction because it was so loud and crisp. It was startling and startled him

because it was unexpected, like most of this. So he's standing there, Alicia's pulling on the sleeve of the shirt he was wearing, saying let's go, and so they start walking again. He said he was so indecisive. He was having a hard time walking. He kept stutter stepping because he wanted to stand there and stand his ground. Basically,

he knew he had to get to the plane. And he freely admits there was no overt aggression outside of the breaking of the limbs and all the noise, but there was no active trying to get them or anything like that. It was just so surreal to have this thing at one moment stand up and walk off and then further down the beach. For it to just walk down and then walk back just took a look at

him and then walked away. And to me, it sounded like the thing sized him up see if he was going to shoot or not, because it nonchalantly walks to the water, splashes around, glances over at him, and turns faces him, and then walks off. Who knows what's all speculation? So once he stops stutter stepping, he catches himself there in a full blown run after some of this stutter stepping,

just full blown run. Todd said as lungs were burning so bad, he hadn't run in years sedentary life outside of flying around and stuff in beachcombing, which is nice cardio for walking, but he said that he couldn't remember the last time he ran before that. They got to the plane, he got her in, got it, turned around, and did all this stuff untied, of course, he said. When they fired up the plane, he was looking around.

He said he noticed it further back by where he was stutter stepping, basically where it walked out from, and then walked back. It was basically right there, right at the beachline, just squatted down and just looking over at him, just watching them, not doing nothing, just sitting there watching them. I asked how it was sitting and he said it was just squatted down, just arms resting on the ground, just didn't have a care in the world and was just watching them. So he fired up. He took off.

He said he got about two miles away and wanted to go back low and buzz and get another look right, just because he was so in shock over what he was seeing. Alisha over the years, basically he had taught her how to fly right. Alicia said that when they initially took off, he was in a hard climb, almost to the point of a stall. He was so freaked out, so she had to like literally calm him down and push the yoke for it a little bit. Hey, dude, you're climbing a little too steep, right, And when they

came back by, there was no sign of it. As they're flying by, they noticed the impressions in the ground from when it walked out and then walked back, but they were already gone. They were already out of there. This happened during the pandemic time. It was a way for them to escape. Of course, he did it all the time anyway, but they did a lot more of it during that period. But once that happened, he said, honestly, it's been since then that he has not actively been

out beachcombing, which is unfortunate. And I tried to encourage him. I was like, you had a gun and it didn't technically hurt anyone, And he said it was the visual of all of a sudden, this thing that he's heard stories here and there, but he never really gave it any leeway, either for or against. It was just a story. He doesn't look at it the same way at all. Totally understandable. I want to thank Todd for reaching out. Also Gregory for making the connection and getting him in

contact with me. I appreciate that Gregory shout out to you. What I wanted to share with you today comes from Chad and Darcy. It's an encounter they had approximately a decade ago at Roaring Bear Lake. It's the hell of a name. So this particular lake is up north south of Chandler, closer to the Canadian border and the interior. So Chad and Darcy used to basically be guides fishing guides. Their thing was trout fishing, best trout fishing in the world.

They would take clients to out of the way places as part of their niche to fish for trout. Chad loved it fishing for trout to get his fly ride, and he's on it right. So they landed the lake. They're towards the southwest side of the lake. As he parked, everyone got out. There's three clients there with them. Darcy stayed with the clients. Chad wanted to go from where they parked a plane around this little kinicle, this little spit,

it's almost like an open salmon mouth. He goes around there, and he wanted to fish the smaller creek that fed into a pond, and he suspected there's some lunkers in there. He wanted to get a big trout, but he didn't want too many lines in a way. So in a sense he was like, Darcy, keep our clients over here to fish, and I'm going to go, oh to my little spot where I'm going to try to catch fish before you guys migrate over or whatever. And this is

approximately seven am in the morning. Right line of the midnight sun sun was already up. So he gets around there. He's at the mouth of this creek. When they flew over, it didn't look as paint in the butt to maneuver, and so he gets over there and he realizes, crap, I don't have the proper stuff to get to where I could fish the way I want to with this fly rod. So he's just teasing the mouth as he put it to the mouth of this little feeder creek going off of the lake. He catches a couple of fish,

which is cool. Nothing that he was really all that stoked about keeping. He didn't keep him. He let him go. He said he was there about forty five minutes, paying attention to his surroundings. He had a four fifty four on his hip. He wasn't overly concerned for bears or whatever, because he was a guy he dealt with plenty of bears. So as he's doing his thing, he hears this scream.

and looking in that direction. He's focused. He's whatever is making that noise is right over there, and I don't want no part of it. And in his mind he's thinking, I hope Darcy heard that, and it's getting people loaded in the plane, so I don't have to get over there and deal with that. So there's stuff going on. He's thinking about what's happening over at the plane. He's thinking about this scream. He said. The scream jarred his system. He said it freaked him out. He said he's never

felt that kind of fear. Just grip him in that way. So Chad said, he once he got his fly rod in his case and slung over his shoulder, he immediately drew his pistol and he was checking to make sure all five shots were in there. He's checking his vest pouch to make sure he hit his extra rounds were there.

Everything checked out. So he's literally taking a couple of steps backwards, because he said he wanted to turn and run, but something in him said, Keith, and I don't take your eyes off that area, because this scream really gripped him. He said it was a vicious, mournful kind of scream. So I asked him to flesh that out a little bit for me, and he said it sounded like a groan, but then ended with just this vicious, high pitched, a

very aggressive type scream. Was all right, fair enough, He's literally taking a couple steps looking, checking all around him, taking a couple steps back, checking all around, and literally that snail piece of movement, and he shook, he said. As he was standing there, he felt his hands quiver and holding the pistol, and he'd never been in a situation, even with the bear rushing, and he never felt that. And as he gets back a little ways, all of a sudden he sees this dark thing come out of

the brush. Right because there's no big trees up there anything, it's all brush. The brush was rather large, he said. The brush he was looking into he had guestimated at nine to ten foot tall. This thing was taller than that. Very dark, pitch black, very dark comes out the way the sun was. It was coming down basically over his left shoulder, but it was so dark he couldn't make out any features because it just looked black. Someone in

a black suit over there. He said. Initially he thought it was a front end of a moose, but then he's looking and then he saw it two legs and instantly was like, oh, holy crap. He's thinking to himself the whole time as he picked up his pace as far as his backtracking goes right, because he has to go around this pinnacle. He didn't want to get caught in the brush with this thing that close, so he stayed and open where he could keep a visual sight instead of being caught up in the brush. So he

backs up, he said. As he was backing up from where he saw this thing initially, this thing stopped and was just looking in his direction. He said it had to have been at least ten foot tall. He said it didn't look overly robust or thick. It looked a little lanky. Again, it was all black, and he was freaking out a little bit because this thing was there.

And he did mention that when they were flying over, he didn't notice anything, and normally you see a moose from the plane, easy, a bear from the plane, easy. And he said, when they circled around, checking wind direction for landing, there was no sign of anything, no sign of anything, but the brush is thicks. So he's backing up. He gets to a point to where as he looks back, he realizes the planes around the corner, maybe one hundred and twenty yards away, one hundred and twenty yards to

the corner. Hook around the planes right over there. And again the whole time he's thinking, Darcy, please have heard that, and please have people packed up. I don't know what this thing is doing, because again it was just standing there and he's backing away. He said. He got to a certain point when he looked over his shoulder again and looked back, the thing was gone, and that really

freaked him out. So seeing it was gone, he turned around and hauled as fast as he could to get up to that little pinnacle that point so he can get around there and get back over the plane, so he said. As he was doing so, he was looking

over his shoulder once in a while. He had to stop one time to catch his breath because he was totally freaking out, panicking out of breath, and he said when he stopped, he was listening, and in between hearing his self breathe real heavy, he heard the brush moving coming up his direction, just off the bank of the lake, and so he's crap, it's chasing me. He said. It was making a lot of noise, but it didn't sound

like it was progressing very fast. When someone's freaking out, you know, So he starts walking slowly again, pistol out. He's walking backwards again, listening to this sound, trying to catch his breath. He said. As he was going along, he noticed this thing popping its head up above the brush and then ducking back down, heard movement. It was

a little closer, popped its head up right. So he's watching this happen right off to his right hand side, and he's thinking, shit, I'm gonna have to shoot this thing. It's coming for him. I'm gonna have to shoot it. Should I stand my ground or keep retreating? And he decides he's going to continue his retreat. He wanted to get into visual range of the plane. Hopefully Darcy could see him and back him up with the bear gun they had over there, which was a shotgun. Right and

again all this is happening. He's got three clients he's got to worry about, he's got his wife over there, and this thing is coming at him. It wasn't a full out rush, but it was still coming at him. So he keeps going backwards. He's trying to go as quick as he can. At one point, he said, he stopped and he was trying to catch his breath because he was going to pop a shot at it. When it popped its head up. He said, it was real weird because as soon as he stopped and he cocked

the hammer, it stopped popping up. It was just moving. He could hear it. It was like strategically moving according to how he felt in the moment. He didn't know for sure, but he would hear movement quietness for a second, movement quietness, and then movement movement quietness, and he felt like he was being stocked. And so without it up, he didn't know exactly where it was. So he turned around and ran again, got around the pinnacle, was catching

his breath again. Was freaking out heavy. Right now at this point, Darcy did hear the scream. Darcy heard it very well and had everyone by the plane, all their stuff already in there, but she had them staged by the plane, and she had turned it around facing away from shore, and everyone was waiting there, holding the lines from the wings and stuff. Darcy said, you guys, wait here, and she brought the shotgun and she was coming to

meet him. He was so thankful when he saw that, but then he was yelling at her, wait there, watch the brush, wash the brush, because again he came around that pinnacle. He didn't know if this thing was cutting through to cut him off or could potentially ambush her. He didn't know, you know what I mean, because last he saw it it was off to his right, which would be straight in line with the plane if it was to go just straight north. So he's walking towards us, saying,

keep it not on the bush. There's something out there. There's something out there. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages as they meet each other, Darcy said. As she was standing there, she kept hearing noise in the brush. She kept hearing it, but nothing was showing itself right, So all she would hear is the brush movement. And then the wind had picked up a little bit so the leaves rustling, it was really hard to make out and pinpoint where that

noise was. So Chad meets up with their explains, Hey, the dark figure, I don't know what the hell is. We gotta go, and she says okay, So he has her in front of him. Darcy said as she is walking, there may be seventy yards at this point from the plane and the clients. Right one of the clients is yelling, hey, there's a bear moving over in the brush. Darcy says, I know, stay there, stay there, and so they walk over a quick jog. Really, let's be honest, freaking out,

but not trying to show it with the clients. Chad was like, I was trying to keep a brave face for the clients. So they get up to the clients. The clients hadn't seen nothing. They heard the scream with Darcy, and of course they understood, hey, we don't know what that is. We'll be ready to go. One of the guys was like, that is one odd looking bear. I seen it popped its head up and then drop back down into the brush. It was right over there, and Chad's just let's get on the plane. Let's load up.

We're not going to deal with an aggressive bear. Everyone was loading up in the plane and it pops up again. And one of the women outside of Darcy, that was with this group of three, she's seen it pop up as she's getting into the plane. She says, it doesn't look like a bear. That doesn't look like a bear. And no one's really arguing about it. Everyone's just trying to look out the windows of the plane as they're loading up, trying to look and spot this bear. So Chad,

he has a guy get on or whatever. All the lines are free and whatnot, and he has on chest waiter. So he pushes the plane out a little bit. And as he's trying to do the wind is blowing. So he's screw it. The wind's blowing. It's good in our direction. I'll just hop in, fire up, and we'll take off from there. So he gets in, he does this quick pre flight, fires up the motor. It's iling for a minute. He's watching the gauges and all that stuff. And as

he's doing so, he's rubbernecking. He's looking out. He's got Darcy looking out, he's got the passengers keeping an eye out. He said once he had the plane fired up. He felt a lot better because he was literally hammered down and take off and he said, okay, it's warmed up enough, we're going to be taken off. We'll go to another place. So he takes off, and he takes off heading east right because that's the direction the wind's coming. So he

takes off. He said, once he got up to altitude, he came back around, was buzzing blow, asking the people to take a look, look out. The Darcy says, there, it is, there, it is. It's by that little pond. It's by the little pond. And so he circles around. Because of course he was at the controls and all

the obstructions, he couldn't really see what Darcy was. So he came back around and he was looking out his side as he was making a turn, and he said that one of the people saw it with him take off running hit in the brush and just brush movement right. He asked the guy later, what did you see? And the guy told him what I saw look like a very large man in a fur jacket running in the bush. What the hell is that? Chad was like, your guess is as good as mine. I have no idea, and

they left it at that. He circled a couple more times trying to get an eye at it, but it was gone. I want to think Chad and Darcy for sharing that. They ended up stopped doing the guidance thing for medical reasons. Chad had some issues with diabetes that affected his vision a year or two after this, and so he was medically retired from flying. Basically, it was difficult for Chad because he said it was like it was like a curse almost, because no sooner than that happened.

All of a sudden, he finds he has diabetes, and then shortly after that it affects his vision and stuff, and it's coincidental. But I could see where it would feel like, oh, Jesus is the catalyst for all bad things, But realistically that probably wasn't the case. I hope not. I want to thank them for sharing, Thank you guys for joining me, and we'll catch on the next one built