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Folks, will welcome our guest to the show. It is justin from Tennessee.
Welcome man, hey man, Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
I am glad to have you. It was nice meeting you and talking to you up in Gatlinburg. What just last weekend? Man? Time flies when you're having fun up at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. Nikki and Marty always do a fantastic job putting on that event. I've been up there, gosh the last four or five years and always meet some very interesting people there. You are no exception, man. You came up to the booth. We had a conversation. We got into some topics that most people in Bigfoot
don't get deep in the weeds on. Why don't you start with the question I always ask everybody who comes on the show, what got you interested in the subject of sasquatch Bigfoot to begin with?
Honestly, I had got thirty thousand foot view of Bigfoot and the Sasquatch. I heard the stories and the legend and the overall arching theme of it. But I was never what you would call a Bigfoot enthusiast. Just one day I was talking with someboddies and Sasquatch came up. I was just reading through the Book of Genesis and Esau just popped in my head. And when you go to Genesis twenty five twenty five, there it says the first one came out red, covered in hair from head
to toe like a Harry Cloak. I was like man if we just let the text say what it says. Man, that dude sounds pretty squatchy. So I asked the question to myself, was this the first bigfoot sasquatch that was recorded in the Bible? And it just sent me off on this little trail. And I found that there was several men in the Biblical text that was described as harry wild men. That's just kind of lost in the English translations. You got to go back to the Hebrew the Greek. But man, they're in there.
I've had conversations with people in the past that have said they think these things are the nephelum. That's a hard pill for me to swallow. I'll be honest with you. If I had to plant a flag in a camp, and I hate to do that, but it is what it is. You've got the flesh and blood camp, You've got the wu or high strangeness camp, or as I like to call it, the other camp. Because there's so much that goes into that. It's difficult for me to
wrap my brain around some of these stories. But I tell you, I was having a conversation earlier recording another podcast that I host, that Bigfoot podcast, and I had a PhD on there doctor Hogan, Chiau and Hogan and I were having a conversation about some of these other things weird experiences people have, glowing eyes, these things seeming to disappear and appear at will, cloaking all the weird
stuff that goes into them. And I tell you, some of the things that you're talking about right now would make sense to me to answer some of the questions of how that's possible, because it wouldn't be possible. Like glowing eyes. For example, I had an experience last summer when I was out in the Pacific Northwest. I saw these things three times in two days, two times at night, and one of those times, when I had an encounter ten feet away from these creatures, I saw glowing white eyes,
self illuminating, bioluminescent type eyes. That does not compute when it comes to human beings or great apes. We don't have it to pay them, loose at them. We don't have the ability to even give off any type of eye shine when somebody shines a light in our eyes. So glowing eyes certainly don't make any sense for a flesh and blood creature. If you're a hominin, whether it be human, greade ape, whatever the case may be. So
it would certainly explain some of those stranger aspects. But as you got deeper into this, did you look into all of those different mentions of these things in the Bible? You were so interested in it you ended up writing a book, which we'll obviously get into. You're into Genesis, you're reading that, Hey, maybe this is the first Bigfoot? How did that progress from there and to where you are today in your research?
Honestly, that was the gateway to it all. And then, like I said, I asked myself, was this the only one? Was this the first one? So I just started going through and I'm a big scripture nerd. I have a couple of podcasts that I do. One of them is with a group of my buddies, and that's what we do.
We just go through and use like logos Bible software, and go to the original languages, the Greek and the Hebrew and really break these words down because there's a lot of stuff that just lost in the English translations and the historical context. This is an ancient book written to ancient people, So if you want to get the proper message that they were trying to lay down. You got to put yourself in their mindset, what they believe, what they thought, and coins of phrases that they used,
and it's kind of lost to us in modernity. So when I got to looking through there, I was like, was there any more? Was this the first one? So that I got to look and going through the Bible and also extra biblical books like the Midrashes and Targums, because these are the people, the Second Timple Jews, that were writing this text. When I got to going through it, I also discovered this book series. It's like a six book series called the Legends of the Jews by Lewis Ginsburg.
He went through and gathered all the oral traditions and legends of the peoples and put them all in these series of books. And as I started going through it, I had found that it was the ancient belief and the legend and the lore of these people that came. His cursing was that he was covered in hair, and that is why he was scared to death when he was cast out, because he looks like this harry beast
and he was worried about someone killing it. And then according to the the Midrash, it says that when you get down to Lamet, and he's a guy in the Bible, that just all of a sudden, he comes home to his wives and he says of Cane's cursing, was time seven, Mine be seven, time seven, because I killed a man, and in my anger killed a youth. And when you go to the Midrashes, it gives you some more contexts
that story. It says that Lemeck was going blind in his older age, and his son would help him hunt. So his son would help him point his bow and help him to hunt and get this game. And one day out in the field, his son sees this hairy beast, tells his father's where to aim and to shoot, and shoots his bow, kills the beast, and when they walk up, he discovers that it is his ancestor came and so he knew he'd messed up. Cursing was going to follow
on him, according to the legends and stories. So then in his anger he turns and kills his son for the mistake. So the Midrash kind of fills in the gaps that where Genesis leaves off. That's why he come home, and he was so devastated and he said, I'm cursed. Not only did I kill a man, I killed a youth in my anger, so he killed his son from
the mistake. And I thought that was pretty wild. So then I kept looking at more and then I bumped into the story of Nebuka Neezzar, And that's a story I was familiar with, but I hadn't looked at it with this context, with this set of eyes. And it says that this king suddenly becomes mad and he goes
off into the wilderness. And it says that his hair grows long as the eagles feathers, and that his nails grow along like eagles talents, and that he just goes wild, and that he roams with the beast of the field, eats the grass like oxen, and that he's like this for seven years and then the curse is lifted off of him and he returned. So I was like, this kind of fits the bill once again. This is this
hairy quote unquote wild man in the text. Like I said, I had a thirty thousand foot view of Bigfoot, and this kind of got me into it. And I think that's one thing that's different with me. How you had mentioned you have people in camps. Some people thinks it's this, some people thinks it's that I'm that guy. Honestly, I never think things are that cut and dry. It's usually not this or that, it's this and that. It's like a mixture of things. And where I come into this,
I had no predispositions. A lot of people when they get into things, they have their idea of what it is, and they go and search for nuggets and factoids to try to back up their idea. So where I come in this clean slate, I had no predispositions and preconceived notions. And honestly, as I got to look and I found all the old stories from Europe and basically all around the world, this is a phenomenon that is culture blind,
it is time blind. I just removed the verbiage and just looked at common themes and characteristics in these stories, and without fail, you had all the characteristics of bigfoot. Back then they called it a wild man. And then you have all these fertility gods throughout the ancient world, and without fail, at least ninety percent of them were covered in hair from head to toe, and they were considered wild men, and they roamed in the fields, the forests,
and then you have the satyrs half goat men. I just kept bumping into this stuff and I was like, this has to be the same thing. When I found Esau, I just started really deep diving into him. So not only did it say that he was covered in had to toe like a Harry Cloak. I got to look in through the genealogies, and this is something that a lot of people just skim over, and I did for
a long time because it's boring. This one forgot that, this one forgot that, and this one lived this many years and forgot this one and died and went to be with their ancestors. But they put that stuff in there for a reason. And it wasn't until I discovered Gary Wayne and his book The Genesis sixth Conspiracy, and he really did a really great job at running through
these genealogies with the fine tooth comb. Through his work, I found out that Esau, when he basically went into full rebellion of his family, that he took three wives, and two of those wives were Canaanites, and they were forbid to take wives from these Canaanite people. One of them was from the clan of Whoites and the other was Heavites. Through all the genealogies and stuff that Gary had went through, he had proved that those two clans
were Nephilim giant clans. I was like, here we have this Harry quote unquote man, this Sasquatch sounding guy marrying into Nephlim giant clans and marrying them. I was like, this has a pretty high potential of throwing some strange pups, to say the least. So when I got to looking through what came out of his offspring, out of his lineage with these Nephilim giant clans, and it says that one of his father in laws was named Sierra and
that he reigned from Mount Sierra. And when you get into the Hebrew etymology of that word, that means Harry. And I was like, so here you go. You have this Harry Sasquatch sounding man marrying into Nephilim giant clans who there names that they're known to be Harry. So basically you have this race of Harry Farrell giants. And once again remove the verbage and just look at the common characteristics and the descriptors. This fits the bill for
a bigfoot or a Sasquatch. And as I kept going even deeper from this union is burst this guy named Amalek, and he bursts the Amalekite race. And when you go into the etymology of that name, that means the blood liquors. And I was like, whoa, the blood liquors. Okay, I remember that name, the Amalekites. This was the tribe that the God's people encountered first while they were in their wilderness wanderings when they left the land of Egypt, and
they ended up having this battle with them. And this battle is significant that this is that famous story where Moses has to take his supernatural rod, his staff that he caused all the plays of Egypt with that he has to go to a high mountain and hold this staff over his head to overcome these clans of farll giants. And it says that when he would tire and he would lower his arms, that the Amalekites would start to
win again. So I thought that was significant. But when I was going through the extra biblical text in some of the rabbi's writings, there was this medieval rabbi by the name of Rashi, and he did a commentary on the mid Rashes and the Torah, and when it got to this part of the book and story, he goes into great detail about this Amalekite race, and he says that they were known sorcerers, and that they were known shape shifters, and that they would shape shift to evade capture.
So he said, that's why when they were attacking the Amalekite race that God said kill every man, woman, child, and animal, because these guys were known sorcerers and shape shifters. I thought it was pretty telling. While the Israelites are in their wilderness wanderings, this is the time where you have the books of Deuteronomy Leviticus, and that's where you get a lot of your laws. But you don't get a law, a rule, or regulation unless someone's doing these
said things. But we know from the biblical text that the Amalekites were the ones that they encountered first. I think it's pretty telling when we look at those I think that we're looking at the practices of these people that were known Faral giants from the offspring of Esau and Neffhelin giant clans. When you get in there, what does it say. This is in Deuteronomy, it says, no
longer will you sacrifice to Harry goat demons. And then the Book of Isaiah says, and you have to go to the septuagen the Greek language for this, But in that translation it says that the wild men and the satyrs will dance in the desolate cities and in the wilderness. And when you go back to the laws, says, not only will you not only sacrifice to harry God demons, it says you will no longer pass your children through the fire. It says you will not seek necromancers or sorcerers.
You will no longer drink the blood, because the life is in the blood. The name of this tribe it means blood liquors. And we know that they were sorcerers and shape shifters.
And stay tuned for more sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these.
Messages drinking the blood. And the Phoenicians and Canaanites were known to worship bail and pass their children through the fire. They were obviously seeing these people out in the wilderness and seeing their practices and what they were doing, and they were trying to mimic them, and God had to step in and be like, no, you can't be doing this. You're not going to be doing the practice of these people.
So I thought that was pretty fascinating. And when I was kind of looking at this overall picture, like I said earlier, it wasn't this, it wasn't that, And they put a red bow on it for me and tied it all together. Because when you go into the Book of Enoch and you get to the Genesis six event, it says in Genesis six that the angels came down and bred with the dollars of men and created Nephilim giants.
And the Book of Enoch says that these giants that were created that their spirit was not of heaven and not of earth. So therefore when they died, their spirit had nowhere to go, but they roamed earth as demons, tormenting mankind. So you have this Harry quote unquote man Esau marrying into Nephilim giant clans whose names mean that they're Harry that are described as Harry Farrell giants, and they make these Amalekites you have a really high probability
of throwing some strange pups. And they were known sorcerers and shape shifters and drank blood and all this kind of stuff. Not only does this fit the description of what we would call a bigfoot today. So you have the Flesh and Blood camp. So is there a possibility that there's a remnant of these people left? I think so it's a possibility. There were known cave dwellers and they were known as mighty hunters. They have intelligence as a human hybrid. I tell people it's like the panda.
The panda was only discovered in the last hundred years, but there was legends and laura about it for thousands of years, but everybody treated it like the Bigfoot. Oh, that's made up. That's fairytale stuff. That's stuff parents tell their kids to keep them out of the woods and pandas. If you've ever been around pandas or watched them, they're
dumb creatures. And if they can avoid being seen, captured or killed for thousands of years, we're talking about a human hybrid that was a mighty hunter dwells in the caves with intelligence. I don't think it's far fetched that we've not seen capture or killed one. And that at the same time you have the Wu camp, and like you said, there phasing in out of reality, a shadow, figures and portals and aliens, saucers and stuff sometimes connected with these things. So that ties into the demon part.
If my theory holds water, and these are hybrid race of feral giants. When they passed away, their spirits remain to torment mankind. So would they not choose a familiar form? I think they would. This was a form that commanded fear in respect. And so I think when I look at that of the holistic picture, the theory that I'm coming up with covers both sides of the fence.
I'm gonna play Devil's advocate for the pun and just to play Devil's advocate here. As I said earlier that explanation, if it were one or all, or a combination of all of those things, it would explain some of the more unexplainable things about these creatures. Again, Hogan and I were having this conversation earlier today where we were talking
about the superhero nests. If you will, of bigfoot sasquatch, airy man, whatever language you use to identify them, they seem to be the biggest, the baddest, the fastest, the slowest at times, the smartest, the loudest. They're the everything ist of all of the animal kingdom, and it literally makes no sense in biology. I use the comparison of an elephant to a cheetah with Hogan earlier today. Elephants are humongous. I think the biggest elephant that's ever been
documented was back in the nineties. It was a bullet elephant that weighed like twenty six thousand pounds. But you have a cheetah. They're one of, if not the fastest animal on earth. Where you compare those two, they're extraordinary in their own ways. But as Hogan pointed out earlier today during our conversation, cheetahs and elephants have had to sacrifice things in their evolution to get the traits that
they have. Elephants they're not fast, right, They're huge, they're powerful, they're highly intelligent mammals, but they're not as fast as a cheetah. A cheetah is faster than an elephant and most other animals, but they're very delicate physically. Their bodies are delicate. They avoid confrontation at all costs because of that,
so they've sacrificed their robustness. Let's say of an elephant, to be as fast as a cheetah is some of the things that people attribute to sasquatch during their anecdotal experiences. I've experienced it myself. It was there and then it disappeared. I'm using the air quotes disappeared. I'm not saying that bigfoot disappeared into a portal or evaporated. I think they blend in very well with their environment, but it is
difficult to explain how big and fast they are. But they're very quiet and stealthy, or they can emit infrac you feel their vocalizations as well as hear them. There's all of these things. So again I go back to what you're saying, I think it would certainly account for some, if not all, of those attributes that. Let's face it, this is the other thing. I think we have to be realistic about people sharing their encounter stories. There's a
lot that goes on. There's a lot of fear, there's a lot of adrenaline, there's a lot of things happening when these encounters happen. So I think a lot of people exaggerate. Maybe they're six feet tall and they think it's ten feet tall. Maybe it was fast, but it wasn't as fast as they thought. So all of these things right, But at the end of the day, it goes back to believe your theory and to believe that they are some sort of a remnant of some of
these things that you've described. You would have to believe those stories. You would have to believe that is true.
What do you say to people like me who may be agnostic in that area, or even an atheist or someone who doesn't ascribe to these biblical stories being real for lack of a better term, what is your argument or where are you on that as far as your theory is concerned, linking that to sasquatch or Bigfoot, and someone who says, hey, I don't believe that to begin with, So I certainly don't believe that your theory holds water, because in order for that to be I'd have to
believe that Where are you on that discrepancy?
That's one thing I honestly think that sets me apart from different researchers. I am a Christian, but I'm one of those firm believers that truth is universal, and I love comparative mythology, comparative religion, and I like to look for common themes. So when you have a story or a figure that transcends all languages, cultures, and continents, that tells me that there has to be something to that. I don't think that my religion in my text has all the answers and all the truth in it that
scattered about. So I tell people, even if you don't align yourself with the biblical narrative, I can show you multiple narratives around the world that say basically the same thing that I'm telling you. There might be some little different caveats, they might call it a different name, but the characteristics in common themes are all there. One example, when you go to Native Americans, the Native American Lord,
what did they say? They say that the star people came down and bred with their women, stole their women, and there was the giants born from their union, and that these giants they battled with them. And you have all the legends of the city kr the stone skinned giants, all of these stories. You have the story of the city car with the Lovelock Cave, that they chased them
in this cave and burn them up. You go to Europe, you have all the stories of the wild man, these stories that they roam the woods, and that they would storm these villages. And what do they do? Every single time, they steal goods, they're stealing food, they're stealing animals, and some rare occasions they take girls and women and they rape them, and then they record that there's these hairy children born from the girls when they return them. You
have all the stories of Crampus in Europe. He's this hairy beast covered in hair man that abducts children and women. Then you go down to Sardinia, they have this archaic practice. And when you ask the people of this today, they can't even tell you why they do it or where it's started. They have guesses and theories, but they don't know. It's so archaic. They've just done it as long as
they can remember. But on the winter solstice, the men covered themselves and black goats fur from head to toe, and they called a wooden mask and put on their face, and then they put hundreds of copper bells on their backs. And then they dance through the streets and they chase and abduct women. And at the same time they light huge bonfires, and the children that are coming of age to prove their bravery it's kind of like the bar Mitzvah. Doing these things makes them an adults, like their right
of passage. But what they have to do is they have to jump through the fire. Once again, we go back to these Amalekites and these Canaanites, because what do they do They passed their children through the fire. You go to India, you have stories of the wild men there too, and they even have their own sasquat stories. I can't remember what they called them, but I did the research on booking. I had a list of all
the different countries and what they call them. But there's actual, historical documented people covered in hair from head to toe. But most people, when you bring up bigfoot, they laugh, they scoff, they don't even try to look further into it if they don't believe this. But science even has definitions and terms for these things. It's called hypertrixosis with hypertrick sosis. And there's many documented cases of children born
covered in hair. And there was people recorded in India and this guy, he was a part of the king's court, and this traveler, this documented guy that done all this historical work and stuff and documented everything. He documented. This guy had his name in there left and he came back twenty years later and the guy was still alive. But he had a family. He was married and he had children, and two of his children had the same thing that were covered in hair from head to toe.
One that's really famous that was historically documented and painted was this guy named Pedro Gomez. When you look him up, man, you type in his name and searts him up. He looks like something from that teen Wolf movie. He's covered in hair, but he's dressed real nigh like a nobleman. He was thoroughly documented because he was in the King's court of France, and his story is that he was basically thrown into the wilderness and cast aside because his
parents thought he was a demon baby. And people at this time that were born like this, they were either killed throughout in the wilderness defend from themselves and they starved to death, or they were picked up and brought into freak shows. And here's where you get all your stories and newspapers about the wolfman and the bearded Lady. These are people science would turn with hypertrixosis. And this Pedro guy, he was snatched up by these traders and was given to the King of France as a gift.
Luckily for him, this king loved him so much. He loved him like a son and basically took him in as a son, adopted him, give him a place in court, dressed him in the finest clothes, sent him to the finest schools to be a lawyer. And he lived with the king all of the king's days. And then when the king died, he wrote in his will that he wanted Pedro to have his own lands, to be made a lord and have a castle, and even arrange for him a marriage so that he could have the closest
thing to a normal life. He was arranged a marriage with this woman named Elizabeth, and they had three children, and two of those children were covered in hair from head to toe, and they were girls, and they're depicted and painted throughout history. They even have a family portrait of all of them together. There's the dad looking like something now teen wolf, and the two little girls in pink dresses covered in hair from head to toe, and Elizabeth sitting there with them. And I think they had
a third child, a boy. He was normal, But a lot of people missed that. The story of Beauty and the beast was based off of this man. If you don't align with the biblical Marriatim, that's fine. I can show you many stories throughout the world and cultures that all rhyme and sound just the same.
Let me ask you a question. For some people, this is something I've learned over the last few years. I used to think everybody who was into the Bigfoot thing was in it for the same reasons. Couldn't have been farther from the truth. There are people out there, though, who do want these creatures recognized by science, and I feel that I fall into that camp. It's not the end all be all for me because I've had my experiences, I've seen these things. I am one hundred percent convinced
I'm a knowwhere that they're real. That's pretty much the end of the line for me as far as that goes. Would I like them to be recognized by science, Yes, But if they're not, I would be okay with that as well, because I think that opens a whole other can of worms for them and for us and for
everybody involved in the situation if science is involved. But it is a huge thing for a lot of people in the community, and I can tell you that just with the flesh and blood and the high strangeness or WU camp, there is a huge divide because I think the majority of the animosity, if you will, if that's the correct term, from say the people on the flesh and blood side, is that all the craziness or the high strangeness of the WU camp keeps science at bay.
Meaning because of all the weird things that people claim, science isn't touching Bigfoot with a ten foot pole. Now, there are some closeted PhDs and academics out there that are into Bigfoot. I know some of them. They're a part of some groups that meet regularly honestly in complete anonymity because of their connection to academia. But there are
people in academy that are interested. Yet because of some of the people who claim that they come out of portals or they're dropped off by aliens and alien craft, science is not going to touch it. Let me ask you this, if to ascribe to your hypothesis or your theory on this, how do you think or do you think that if it's true, maybe you're one hundred percent right.
Do you think that affects whether or not academia is ever going to get involved in the hunt for the search for recognizing these creatures as a real thing, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Honestly, I'm kind of like you because of the encounters that people have had, the testimony of the highest strangeness that kind of wants them to just push that away, even if in the back of their mind they're like, man, if one of these stories is true, we have to
check it out. But they never will out of fear of being ostracized, made fun of, lose their tenure, get fired from their jobs for years and years of work that's not even related to bigfoot be thrown into that camp, and people not even look at them anymore because of this one thing. It does that it paints you in a box.
But I believe if you use to separate the whole spiritual side of it, of my theory, and just focused on the physical side, I think that would in the minds of academia and the big brain people would be more feasible to look into it. Because I'm saying that this is a race of humanoid. I ain't going to say direct the human but a humanoid species that's just covered in hair, basically feral, tall people that just went wild.
Because science believes, and it's observable. You can take a domesticated pig, when you take it out into the wild, it goes feral. It's programmed into its DNA, it covers in hair, it grows long tusks. So we know that science gets down with that. And then also there's scientific, documented evidence it's been observed, written down as talked about that in certain situations humans do this too, it's built
into our DNA. I read this and it blew my mind, and it said that when your body goes into starvation mode anorexia, and it's compared to being out in the elements and the cold, your body is the most survival tool mechanism that there is. It wants to survive, it will adapt and do things, and they have recorded and documented. Science knows this. It's in the books that in those conditions that the people will go feral, they'll grow fine hair all over their entire body as a defense mechanism
against the cold and starvation. So I think if we focused just on the physical side of my theory, they're already saying they agree with these things. I think it's just that stigma of the other side and the experiences that people have. They just scoff and laugh and don't even look any further into it. But if they are actually looking into the science, the things that I'm talking about here is already documented and they already believe it anyway.
So I guess that brings me to another question. As you're talking, I'm trying to figure out in my brain, So I'll just ask you what you think about where you fall in the flesh and blood versus the high strangeness with your theory? Do you think it qualifies, for lack of a better term, a hybrid between the two. I know you're talking, let's focus on the flesh and blood,
let's focus on the science part of it. But again, there is some supernatural I don't know what the word is, there's some supernatural things that go along with your Where do you think that would fall if you're planning a flag in either one hundred percent flesh and blood and one hundred percent wo or high strangeness. Where does Justin's theory fall in between those two?
I was trying to maybe I'm doing a really bad job of articulated, but I'm in the middle. I think it is both. My hope would be is nobody's going to accept any kind of idea or theory unless they believe it's their idea. So somebody could be on this side of the fence, and somebody could be on this side of the fence, and they're screaming at each other, trying to tell each other how they're wrong and how their theory is right. It's never going to work. You're
never going to change anybody's mind. But if you bring up points, point in certain directions, you know, just drop hints and point the way, and somebody actually looks and sees that and they're like, hey, I see this connection. In that connection, then they think it's their idea, it's not you shoving it down their throat. They're more prone
to accept that. So with me talking about pointing to the flesh and blood for the big brains of university types, I'm hoping for that same kind of scenario, a domino effect, so to speak. So meet them on common ground where we both agree on something. Because you start a conversation with somebody and ask them a series of questions in the first three or four questions. They're like, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that, and you're like, okay,
we're not so far apart here. And then you bring up something maybe they don't align with. They're more prone to hear you out and seek it out because you've already established a lot of common ground and they know you're not a whack of do crazy guy and that you guys have a lot of common ground. So it's my hope would be is like, okay, look over here at this, look at the pharaoh giants, look at the animals that turn farah, and we have scientifically documented that
people can do the same thing. We have all these documented people in history. So therefore I'm not too far off here. We got a lot of common ground trust uscience, right, So what these guys like to say, I'm showing you and they're like, okay, maybe I could see that as a possibility. And they're like yeah, And by the way, I think they're a hybrid. Oh what do you mean. I bring up the Bible and they're like, oh, that's hogwash.
Look at the Native American Low, look over here in Europe at their legends, and low look over here in India, their legends and low they're all the same. Is there some kernel of truth in all this? And get their mind? Really so, if you can get them to I'm hoping it'd be like a domino effect if you meet them on common ground and they see it and they're like, Okay, I can see this is a possibility, and then you bring up the other side that they would least entertain
it and seek it out in the very least. At the end of the day, the best that you can hope for is them to say that's interesting, or Hey, that's possible. Do I think it's likely? I probably not. Hey, I can see your point, and I think it's possible. I think that's the best that we could hope for.
We've mentioned it a couple of times. Let's talk about the book. You got so into this, you decided to put it into a book. Talk a little bit about that process. What people can expect when they go out and pick up the book.
Yeah.
The book it's called The Epic of Esau, the Birthright and Seed War. And like I said, some of the things that I've talked about today, this is all in the book. It's a fifteen chapter book. It's not all about Esau. Like I said, I dive into the science, what the science says about it, what the legends and the lore are around the world. I show you all the common themes, what the names are for these harry wild men, and build a case from the foundation up.
And then I introduce you to people like Pedro Gomez. There's a couple other ones, but the names are slipping me now, but show you all those, and then I go into the biblical narratives. I'm like, okay, we also have this in the Bible. And then I show Esau and Cain and Ebuicnezar and some others like we talked about today. But then I really like dive into Esau.
And like I said, I looked through the genealogies and found out he intermarried with these Nephlum giants and bred with them, and they were known as harry giants and the Amalekites and all the things that we talked about earlier. I found all kinds of other cool stuff. Because Esau the Bible is honestly one of the most enigmatic characters. You get just a little blurb about him, and then shume that goes on. It's Genesis six you get a little blurb and then they move on. You're like, WHOA,
that's pretty important. I want some more context on this story. What I got to finding out was is it's kind of like the writers didn't want to theoretically beat a dead horse. You got to remember, this text wasn't written for us. It was written for the people at that time, and there was all kinds of legends and lore and
other scrolls circulating us. As modern people, we see this Bible and we think this is a book they had, and it was circulating, and it was all put to get know, these were all separate scrolls and stories traveling around and much much later, they chose pick and choose what they wanted to go in this book and compile them. So when you go look and through these other extra biblical books, they were scrolls and stories and oral traditions that was circulating at the time. So you had the
Book of Enoch. So I am of the opinion that the writer was like, Okay, I'm just going to give this a little blurb about Genesis six, because everybody already knows about the giants. Everybody knows we got the Book of Enoch. We got so many scrolls circulating about that. I'm not going to theoretically beat a dead horse here, but us thousands of years later, we don't know about those other stories. We don't know about those scrolls. So I think it's so important that we dive into that.
And I think Eastau was an example of the very same thing. They were, Like, there's so many stories and oral legends about this guy. We don't need to go into great context about it. Everybody already knows, but we didn't. For instance, here's one thing that I found that was absolute, polutely fascinating was the Book of Jasher talks about Esau
and it says that he was the Mighty Hunter. King Nimrod was also known as the Mighty Hunter, and it said that Nimrod had built up jealousy and hatred against Esau all of his days, and basically Gaston and beauty of the beast. He went out to kill this beast of a man and show who the real mighty man was. It's like a clash of the highlander. There can only be one baby, and he goes out with his group
of mighty men and hunts him down. But he sees him coming while he's out in the wilderness hunting, and it says he hides itself and Nimrod in two of his other mighty men come walking by him, and he springs out in surprise and cuts off Nimrod's head and kills the other two guardsmen. And then it says that he takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments, and it says these garments were the reason why Nimrod was such a mighty man and was able to rule over all
the nations. And then you go on through jash Or. I was like, what's so special about these garments? And it turns out that the Jewish belief true or not. This is what they believed, that these were the supernatural garments from the Garden of God given to Adam when he was kicked out of the garden, and this was basically a symbol of kingship and priesthood. And they traced it that it went from Adam to Enoch to Mathuselah
to Noah. Noah had it on the boat and took it over the flood on the Ark, and it says that Ham the wicked Son and his going out stole those garments, and that's how Nimrod wound up with them, and it honestly ties into our Bible, our sixty six book Cannon, that famous story of the trading of the birthright,
and that's the big thing everybody remembers about Esau. And to me, it never made sense because it says that this mighty hunter Esau comes in on the field one day, exhausted and his brother's making red stew and he comes in and says, give me some of that red stew and his brothers, yeah, sure, but to trade me your birthright. And then he replies, what uses of birthright to me? When I'm dead? Take it? And basically modern context, guys, is if your dad's Donald Trump and you're the eldest son,
you're next in line. You're gonna get the billions of dollars. You're gonna get the company business. The keys of the kingdom are yours. And you come in one day and your younger brother sitting on the couch eating to Rito's, and you're like, hey, bro, give me some of them Dorito's. He's yeah, sure, sign over the company. Huh. Nobody would ever do that. It don't make sense. He was the mighty hunter, guys, he wouldn't starve. If he was starving, he would have went and killed a lion, had lion
steak for supper. He was the mighty hunter for crying out loud.
And stay tuned for more sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these message.
But when you get into that book at jash Or where he has that confrontation with Theimrod and steals the garments, it says that he goes home and hides the garments in his tent and then goes to his brother's tent. So it Douve tells perfectly. So he had this fight with three men, and Nimrod was even explained as a giant a gibble Rem in the Hebrew text. So he kills not one, not two, but three gible Rem single handedly in combat. He probably sustained some life threatening injuries.
Modern context, he just killed the president and the president's guards. He's on the run, there's people looking for him. He's paranoid. He's scared, maybe sustain some life threatening injuries. So he comes into his brother's tent. Help me, hide me, sustain me, give me sustenance, and he's, yeah, i'll help you, but you're going to give me your birth right, and that's why it makes so much sense. That's why he said, what use is a birthright to me when I'm take it?
And I just found all these other little stories like that through these extra biblical texts that just filled in so many gaps in the Bible, and these biblical stories that never made sense to me as a kid. So it was honestly just a really fun journey to go through and find stuff and gather these puzzle pieces and put them together. It gives me a whole new perspective and better understanding of a lot of just the enigmatic stories of the Bible. And honestly, it was a two
year just deep dive obsession for me. So it was a lot of fun.
It definitely sounds like a journey. Tell everybody where's the best place that they can go pick.
Up the book? Yeah, I appreciate man. The book. You can find it on Amazon. I have the hardback copy for twenty bucks or the digital copy for ten bucks. If you guys want to sign copy on my website, Prometheus Lens podcast dot com, you can go on there and I have links and stuff too, like my Venmo, PayPal, all those different cash apps. If you are in the United States, just PayPal me twenty five bucks with your
address and I'll send you a sign copy. And I also have sticker packs and bookmarks, all kinds of other extra goodies. If you don't want to fatten the pockets of Big Brother and get some extra stuff that that would be much appreciated. My podcast, I've had it. It'll be two years old in October. But it's called the Prometheus Lens Podcast. Anywhere you can consume content, guys, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Instagram, all those other social medias, just search up the name
Prometheus Lens podcast. You should be able to find me. I cover everything from strange biblical stuff to ancient history, loss, civilizations, conspiracy theory, cryptids, all the fun gamut of things. Have a lot of guests on and we just talk about all those strange things and I try to just basically filter it through my biblical lens. It's a lot of fun. I thoroughly enjoy it.
It sounds like a good time. I will link to it right here in the show notes. You guys, go over and check out the website, check out the podcast, show them some love, pick up a book justin thinks one thank you for coming on the show. Man, I've had a blast talking to you.
Hey, man, I really appreciate you taking your time having me out in front of your audience.
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We can get more money, we can get more friends, more everything, but we can't get more time. That's life's most valuable. Last, I appreciate you spending it with me. They say you don't gotta go home, but.
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