SO EP:579: The Unreleased Sierra Sasquatch Sounds !!!EXCLUSIVE!!!

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Camp recordings. From the late nineteen sixties through the mid nineteen seventies, Ron was part of a small group that documented some of the most compelling audio evidence ever captured in the world of sasquatch research. In this interview, Ron takes us deep into those early days, how they set up their recording equipment, where the microphones were placed, in relation to their makeshift shelter, and the challenges they faced

while capturing these incredible sounds. But that's just the beginning. I also press Ron on some of the tougher questions, the footprint evidence, the authenticity of the sounds, and the scientific scrutiny surrounding them. We discussed the work of Scott Nelson, a former military linguist who has analyzed these recordings in detail, as well as doctor Curlin's findings, and yes, I ask the big question, will Scott Nelson submit his research for

peer review? But perhaps the biggest highlight of this episode is something truly special. Over six minutes of never before released vocalizations recorded by Al Berry in nineteen seventy two. These sounds have never been made public until now, and let me tell you they are something else. During our conversation, Ron also mentioned some exciting work he's been doing with Brett Eichenberger and Jill Rimmen Snyder, the creative minds behind

the documentary A Flash of Beauty. They are actively working with Ron to bring even more of these unreleased recordings into the public eye in their new documentary. I've been in touch with both Brett and Jill, and once their latest project is ready, I plan to have them on the show to dive deeper into what they've uncovered. I'm still reviewing twenty more minutes of recordings and what you'll

hear today is just the beginning. And trust me, there are some nuggets in this conversation that I don't think Ron has ever addressed before. So sit back, get comfortable, and prepare yourself for an interview that dives deep into the history, the mystery, and the evidence behind the Sierra Sounds. Ron, first and foremost, thanks so much for inviting me here. It is great to be here in the great state of North Carolina talking about the Sierra Sounds. Let's get

the full picture for everybody. Can you take us back to what these guys were experiencing up there and how you got involved in the camp.

Johnson brothers, and they came out with this story. There was something besides bear messing with them up there. At night. They went out when the commotion was over with, and I saw these huge tracks in the mud there. Donald wouldn't go back by himself. He invited me to go back with him, just because didn't like what happened at all. He didn't know where to put that in his paradigm. His religion said that giants don't exist anymore. They're just

in the Bible and somewhere like that. They went back up. The guys were okay, so we went out. I started going back as often as I could get somebody go with me that nineteen seventy one several times, I don't remember how many times, but we all started taking tape recorders up there and started recording The winner of nineteen seventy two. Warren Johnson, the leader of our group. He

wrote Ivan Sanderson, cryptozoologist. Ivan Sanderson thought he was probably having his leg pool or something, so he contacted Peter Burns said, I don't know if it's anything to this or not, but he thought it was a hoax. Peter read the twenty three page later from one he thought it was a hoax also, however, because that don't happen, I have repeated visits like that anyway. Peter knew a man named Al Berry who worked for a record Searchlight

newspaper in read in California. Totally if he wanted to go down and check it out, he could, but too far away for him to go down there just see if it was good or not. All actually thinking the same thing. And I didn't know all this until later years when I've seen the correspondence between them all. Al came down and interviewed us Hall and asked if he

to go up. And so in nineteen seventy two when we could get back in, Warren Johnson took me back in and we'll started going back and he started experiencing the same thing. He was trying to find out who could be pulling our leg way back in the middle of nowhere and leaving no signs except for their tracks and sounds they were recorded. Albert was recording also, we were all recording, so we had a lot of redundancy in the sounds. This went on seventy one actually all

the way through seventy six. Repeated to visits, not every time, but many times in seventy two, seventy four right in there, and it wasn't until seventy four when I actually saw one very elusive. They're very fast. I was recorded at the same time, so therefore I got to see what made the sound. So they say, if you don't see what made the sound, you don't know what made the sound.

He's been accused of all kinds of things. Albery. He's one that kind of pro concused, the one that's trying to go out and try to solicit some professionals to study the sounds. He went to a little Belieberman at Brown University, first in phil Flaud. He was a former student trying to make fun of him or something, and he's a congressive researcher and said that he wouldn't do it. I finally found the professor Kurlin at the University of Wyoming,

who took a lot unbiasedly. I'll just wanted he wanted to get a professional hind and say it's either fake or it's real. Doctor Kerwin did a year long study, gave his report at the University of a British Columbia nineteen seventy six, I think it was. He wrote it in a paper that was posted in a book A Man Like Monsters on Trial nineteen eighty or UCB Press. Anybody wanted to see that would have to get that book and read the paper. He concluded after a year

long study there was no fowel making. It was all legitimate stuff. It hadn't been slowed down, speeded up. There was no sixty cycle Holme minute. There was nothing else. There was legitimate, real he said. On one clip of it represented an animal eight foot tall, eight foot two. I think he said something like compared to the human vocal mechanism, So that kind of put it up there, but not enough for academia, because I still think it's an ape in the woods, right, and we all did

too at the time. Didn't realize just how significant all this was until modern times we saw it all started looking around up there while he was there, all did to you, still trying to figure out how anybody could do this, And that was before current said it was above the human range, and a lot of it was anyway. We started going out and talking about it after that in different conferences and places all over the United States actually, but still couldn't answer the odyssey that went with it.

There were some strange things went on up there besides the organizations, strange lights, strange sounds that wouldn't language at all. It was. I talked about this my first book of Voices in a Wilderness. But there's more to it. There's just more to it where you're still looking how an ape could do this. We didn't realize that only humans have the vocal mechanism for spoken language like I'm doing now.

That was revealed in actually Philip Lieberman's paper his only humans have the cognitive ability to speak like with morphine streams. It wasn't until two thousand and eight till a crypto linguist was trained by the Navy as a crypto linguist. It's been his career in the Navy. It desidherim transcribing the foreign silence. It's either codes or language, and determine if it was a language. He got a hold of the sounds by accident and came out and interviewed me

and Albery both got the context behind the sounds. Ask the stadium. We let him. He came back and says, this is spoken language. By the human definition of language, it means a morphine stream of words. It means cognitive ability like we're talking now. I know that animals, supposely, not a whale, not a dolphin, nothing has that abilities of us as humans. That's established by Philip Liberman actually, and he said that only humans have that bok mechanism.

That's a highly bulon with the tongue of nervous system into the brain to say innumerable amount of words. So that put it over the edge for me right there. If that's the case, you got those three bullet points you got doctor Curlin saying it's out the human range. Outside, you got Scott Nelson the crypto language, who says it's a spoken language. Then you got doctor Philip Lieberman says it's only humans have that, So it has to have a human component, and that's where I go with it.

I didn't really realize all that until years later when I called this promission together for my studies. So it's certainly put me on a hunt for how they did what they did. They did some really strange things and had some really strange things go on up there. So I got out of the Newtonian physics which were all raised in which sixteen eighty seven, we know the things that are all fall easier to the fall, you can measure anything, it's all predictable. That's what we live in

our third dimensional environment. So that's how it got started for me, and I got me on a a worldwide wind check other countries out and see what's going on with them.

We heard the pounding. They're cracking on the rocks and coating they give with whoops, whooping sounds, and we knew we was in for it then, but we still outside the shelter. Normally they wouldn't interact with us until we were inside the shelter. We had which was a group of trees that grew in a circle. We wrapped our cables around it. I didn't, but it was done before I was went up there. Put classic over the top of it, so that gets you out of the weather

and dead, folding it up against the cables. Anyway, they started messing with us, chattering stuff like that. I said, messing with this, that's what they do and mess with I think that they know more about their woods than we do. They do. It was an exciting night and I heard that thing. Well, we was hearing two of them chatter. We think it's too ado, less than a

female down below by the creek. And then behind this was a semurai cry goes on and actually that money maker he coined that when he heard first heard these sounds and the ninety five I think it was. That night was a big night. I saw this thing shoot down through the trees. Could not give you any definition on it, but it was fast. It was by a beetle, and that was very smooth, very fast. That's first and only glimpse I ever got the one that I know

of other people. My daughter saw them three times up there. But there's something about got to watch out for you bring a young lady pretty well anything, because the young ones out there and they crossbreed, I believe with indigenous people it's also the Native American lore as they are crossbreed. I think some of them are a little more human like than others, and some of them I may have

different abilities than others. I get into how they did what they did because it didn't make sense the Newtonian world that we live in, which is three of us environment. I get reports on these things, they them disappear, and it has to be a scientific answer. Al Burry the guy we took in there in seventy two and I became friends with him after that, and where we started

talking about. He said, don't talk about this strange stuff because you lose people with that stuff, because people can't understand anything outside of what they can see, you feel in touch, and anything material or physical and predictable. Everything we know of is that way. But that's not true. There's a whole other science out there called quantum science, and it's acknowledged science, but it's out of our being able to prove it because it's out of our site.

You can't see it. Ever, that got me into quantum science and trying to understand the enigma's associated with these beings. I think I've got a lot of the answers put together in my head. Anyway, I don't know if anyone else wants to agree with it. I just encourage people to look into that because it rides on the back of our Nictonian physics of everything, which is sixteen eighty seven. Quantum science wasn't even established to explain, got the Nobel

Prize in nineteen eighteen for it. Businessests like Einstein have been studying today. You got theoretical physicals. So they've got to be called theoretical because you can't see it. It's like ourselves. You can see how that works, but it works.

this environment of this third dimensional density. We only see within one in thirty and seven and seventy terror herts, that's our frequency, everything everything, So one more time, everything is energy, frequency and vibration. If you don't find the vibration of something that's where you get into everything how things change. Because you can find the vibration of anything, you can change its matter. According to quantum physics. How

does matter change in energy? That was proven by CERN in twenty twelve when the hydront collide and made energy out of a particle. They learn to how to do a lot of things, and they're learning more and more all the time. And I just want to ride to Agaway and try to learn more because there's some strange things that going on up there. How do they disappear? That's been told? Everybody just shoves them off. Nothing can

disappear if they said it ain't there. Not true. You got doctor Paul de Rock at the Nobel Prize in nineteen thirty three for substantiating antimatter. He called it because there's antimatter and there's matter. That's the direct change between energy and matter. Matter and energy are interchangeable, hands down. That's been established now mathematically was established, but it's also established by a CERN. Get into that and you think if they can find the frequency of their matter, they

could change in the energy. Now a lot of people don't want to go with that, but it can happen if they can change the matter energy, they'd go out of our visual perception. We only see within the frequency of learned thirty subment city terrors. That pretty much put that one out of most people's reach. But a lot of people want to follow that would understand that's possible.

But they got to reach some frequency. All these vocalizations we had up there, which are outside the human range, a lot of we don't know how high, because our little cassette recorders wouldn't do that. They wouldn't tell you everything. So that's all we had in those days, real to real, but we never took really real up there, just too much for the mules our saddle bags. So anyway, it

was quite an adventure and still is. I don't know if I'll ever get to the bottom of it until one of these things comes out of the woods and says, HI, tells us what they're saying. But they were trying to say something to me that nineteen seventy four before I was fortunate enough to get my cassette recorder out of the saddle bag and turn it on.

because I've heard it other places that I know. You can google it now and there's like a four minute thing on YouTube and it sounds almost in some of those clips that you guys are in the same place with these creatures. Can you paint the picture for me and the audience about how this was done. Were you guys recording from inside your shelter or did you have recorders outside where they were closer to the creatures? How did that work?

something that's heavy. That's the time we thought let's go in, because we leave food out for him generally, and I take it generally. Once we was inside the shelter, we could turn the tapecros on or off. The night that dal Berry got those very clear ones, which were my first CD I produced, Dunton Freaks and narrates it. It's integrated with the sounds that he was recording at night. We were all recording, but he got the very best ones. He had it remote it up about forty feet from

the shelter. Behind our shelter as on a little pine tree actually had a turned upside dock to the stereo recorder, but we didn't know that at the time. When you taped the microphone to the tree, one of them was right behind one of those big trees up there. He thinks you are behind a big rock out cropping. I had some very unique recordings from several other times that I lost in a house fire. Unfortunately, I had my stereo microphone set up. I had a little portable D

cell battery. It does operate on stereo, so it was a little bigger than a cassette, but I could all it in. I lost all the in the fire. Fortunately, one of them that I had i'd send off after I got back to the seventy four recording. I sent it to al Berry, so I had a copy of it. I didn't lose that one. Bill McDowell who was with me, also recording, but he transfers his onto reel to reel when he gets hold and reuses them again. By the way, if you're out there listening to this, don't do that.

If you record it once, leave it alone, you get a studied or see what's going on with it, because once you screw with them, you can't get a forensic study again. Now, I had quite a few recordings that I wish I still had, but I don't produce the second CD from the copy that al Berry had of mine. There sounds so different than seventy four when he was recording. When they're outside, they were actually yelling something at me, and i'd yell back, trying to mimic them, still thinking

I'm talking to an ape out there. They can't talk about whatever they're doing. I'm going to try to duplicate it. And that's what I was trying to do. But if I know them, then what I think I know now, I would do things differently because there since you had been lookst what we were dealing with up there, and I got to say that pretty clearly what we were dealing up there. I don't think all of them are

that way, some of them can. I think some of them have crossed reread so many eons of time with Indigenous people that some of them have lost that that maybe speaking. I don't know. I just know that the Patterson track, I think that was a hybrid, definitely a hybrid.

Have a lot of years across reading is there are tracks in the Pattison track way which I have one are so different than ours, but in different in the way that there's not the arts that's in the Patterson track, there's not the angle of the toes like the Patison tck. All ours are just even not across the top. That's over years of being up there seeing tracks. I just think that there's different ones, and some of them have different attributes than others, and that gets us into way

back history. Because I was raised religious, say, I have a pretty good knowledge of Biblical scriptures and stuff. So I was originally trying to find out where giants came from, what happened to them. But then I had to get into Mesopotanian, the Samerian texts, and got all the way into the canaform to find the core of most of our languages, most are written languages. That's the core that

Pustup came out. It was a canaiform text. You find that what takes a chapter or two to explain things in the Bible, it took hundreds of thousands of years. You read how it falls right into how they took that and just about every written language it has a core in that. So I got into that and I found out a whole lot more what's really going on. And they talked about hibrisation, the fallen ones in the Bible, or I call them aliens that came down and they

were at an Achey. They cross spread with indigenous people and created what ended up with in several different trial periods, I think us I said, so the desthmic man in our image, and then you get into caniform text or why they talked, because it was like twelve ali ali in the caniform text as God always talked about and singular, but there was actually twelve of them. But there was an innumerable mind about an hockey, some good, some bad. How they were doing what they shouldn't have done, which

was coming down here and interfere with us. But that's where the Samarians got there, pigured it up rear to it us all the knowledge that we have today, smiles of it. I don't think they was in the computers that much.

I had an interview recently with a gentleman. He was talking about this new podcast that came out a couple of years ago called The Telepathy Tapes. In a nutshell. A couple of doctors and this lady who does this podcast has looked into nonverbal autistic children and young adults and they have proven that they have telepathic ability. They communicate telepathically with each other A lot of times it's a connection with a parent, and I used to laugh

at that theory. Chris Noel is one of those people who have talked about written books about possibly Sasquatch being some sort of savant or having some sort of autism and being able to have that telepathic connection with each other and with human beings. Did you, guys, ever experience anything that you would even attribute to being close to a telepathic communication of it?

telepathic thing's going on with them. Maybe that's what they were trying to tell me that night. It relaxed my brain a little bit. Maybe I get an saying what they're saying. I don't know. That's a funny way to look at it. Yeah, Telepathy is something that I think we all have in our genes. We have that ability if we just learn how to clean upon ourselves. That

means going into the penia. Language is in here, which the receptor in my opinion, the receptor of above the source whatever that is, It has direct traction to your heart, which has its own brain. By the way, most people don't understand that. Yeah, but it does. That has to be in coherence with upstairs, what's going on above your shoulders, because we're all being conditioned. The conditioning is all you got to go by what you learned from, whether it's

your language or culture or whatever it is. We're all conditioned. So the strangest up there to the story, it balls into quantum science, I believe. But telepathically, they have that ability to do anything with their frequency. If you're on the right frequency, they work with you. I think they do a lot of that. People at night and it's dark, because I think the frequency the earth drops to our frequency at night. Things happen when you get in that era.

It's easier for them to communicate with people who are in their laxed state, not that you're asleep. A lot of things happened when need to go to sleep the people. I think it's just a dream or something, but maybe it's a little bit more than that.

They had a very little arts to them and walk one print in front of the other. I wouldn't expect the Krantz who's passed away now or Melding me the one to acknowledge them. I never let them have a truck to check, so I didn't know Krantz. He lived in Squim, of course, where I used to live. He wouldn't even talk to us about it. He comes mind because they're all conditioned in a parameters of classical science. It doesn't follow the rules. They won't get off that box.

I hate to say that to Jeff. I know Jeff pretty well. I've been on with him a lot of times over in Russia with the Mexicans Siberia, and he won't even talk to you about it. Asking about then that was twenty eleven. I'd been into it then, trying to figure out something that you've got to be with science when you get with this stuff where people aren't going to buy it, not to be professor behind it PG.

That's why these guys get the attention because they got the PhD. I'm a citizen PhD and I've looked into it and I think it answers a lot of questions. I had. The tracks, We looked for them. You only find what you look for. If you're not careful, you walk right by them. We look for the toes mainly, then you find out the trackway if there is one.

They're not easy because we had to compose granted up there a lot of times in a lot of the areas around our shelter as we're sometimes if you hear the sounds right outside there, you know there's got to be a track somewhere. So you find them out there, and we'd cast them, and I've cast them, and I've got the cast. I got an original track cast. But people like Jeff Meldrim, they're going to compare it to the Patterson track if it's got everything Patterson track has.

If it doesn't, it's considered a faker or not real or something else. I know Jeff, he's a good gentleman, a good nice man, but he has to stay with his parameters. I understand that, so I don't begrudge him at all, but there's no upside to us giving him out of tracks. So I know what we deal to with up there. I don't have to prove it by a track, but if I wants a question about that, that's my answer. They're going to compare it to what

they know. What they feel like they know is a big Poot track, and that's a Patterson track because there was a film with it right. As many times as we tried to get a picture, we never got a picture.

Cliff Barrickman. I know Jeff and Cliff both. Yes, I was going to send it to them, but at that moment, it really made me think about all the evidence. The Sierra sounds, the tracks from there, my tracks, my prints, my audio I've recorded, was are we putting too much stock in one or two opinions because they are just comparing it with what's already been known quote unquote known,

and then they're sticking to their paradigm. And if they're not looking outside of that and willing to be more open minded about differences in your tracks or my tracks or Patty's tracks, are we doing a disservice to some of the evidence. In my opinion, I think we are. I think it's important. I have great respect for Jeff, I have great respect for Cliff, but at the same time,

they've been wrong. Let's just be honest. They've been wrong about certain trackways that ended up being hoaxes, and they were one hundred percent on board with them being real. So if they made a mistake, then could they make a mistake now? So I think we have to be very careful in my opinion as a community on gatekeeping and looking at evidence with an open mind. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages.

been around these things. I've seen some of the stuff they do, and there's no answer for it in classical science, and that's where they're at. It's a shame that they have to degrade things that don't meet up with their paradigm. I know they do that, and that's okay with me. It's truth will prevail. That's my favorite saying whatever sureth will come out sooner or later. They're not all the same. I believe. I got way back into beings from the Cosmos coming here hos Ago. That's what I write about

in my last book. It's just that there's been a lot of hibrisation programs going on here. There's a lot of things went on by advanced beings. They have been here, they're here now. Why they don't expose themselves is because We're in a place where we're supposed to live out our karma. We're supposed to know, we're supposed to learn from our experiences when we're here. That's teaching everything because nothing else has what we have as humans. We're made

into images. I'm very special of very high frequench of being. If we learn from that, and that's what we're life's about, and we will die. If you don't learn, you got to learn it. I got to come back and learn it. I'm sorry. I wasn't raised this way to reven multiple embodiments, but I do now because you got to learn. And if you don't learn, how you learn, you learn from you know what it's like, what's really we're supposed to be like. You have to learn with love and compassion

with everybody else. You can't go out there hurting people or live in a victim paradigm yourself. You have to just learn to care. We're in a warring species and that's because of the Aninochy, the ones that fell, They've created the wars. Getting into Greek pathology, you're going to get into wars between the gods that were all at different names with all that special abilities they were called the powerful ones from the sky. You get into that and you realize just what all went on. We're here

to expand to learn. Once we've learned to love and compassion with our human compadres out there, we will step ahead and we are vibration will get higher because we've got to get out of this third dimension. That's our goal.

too bad. I've had a few broken cribs on the trail on the horse went off the edge, But our biggest time was during deer hunting season, but that might have been because we was up there. It might have been because they didn't want to go around other camps that they didn't trust. There was no other camps real close to us. There was one that wasn't too far away from us, but it was never inhabited. In fact, we rated it. We always looked there to see if anybody use it. No one's used it's all the time

I was coming up there from the seventies. We checked around to see I because anybody else running around up there, and there wasn't. That was when we first started. But there was a hunting camp and that's what the guys went up there for. He stayed to come around at night when during honey season and actually move our deer. We'd hang them up and skin them blow out behind the shelter on a cable. They'd come up and they had actually moved it and found some tracks at a

One time we went our deer. Larry Warren's son who was ten years my junior. Him and I were there at the stove one night and we thought, let's go back there and clean up around the deer so when it comes out at the end we can get tracks. Sure, now that happened, there's three tracks there underneath this deer, and the deer had been mood. There's three tracks. You could have seen over our shelter down to where we were sitting, so one was watching us when that was

going on. We went back there, found the tracks and wow, that's an eyelder. I think these things are spying on you. They know what you're doing, and we had no idea they could figure out what he was doing. But like the camera shops where we set up, can't believe anybody camera was at the time. We thought it, well a

trick them in I tricked these things. They see your vibration, they see your intent, they see your motives, they see right through that, and they have these abilities that we haven't learned to evolve into yet.

to possibly something I could understand. They talk real fast, very fast chatter, very much of John Green mit his apes among us from his interview with Albert Osman, which I've been up there looking for Albert Osman where he was taken up their airplane and floated around for a whole day, slow flying, looking for the land of the Camel River, went over there to where he said he was, and I'd write about that my second book at Albert Osman Story anyway, from seventy one, seventy two, seventy four,

because seventy one seventy two is very intimidating, and it sounded like we found out at least I think they were arguing amongst themselves, not directed to that. We didn't know first if they were. That's what scared Donald off at first, because be afraid they was arguing about who's going to put the saltm pepper on us, but everybody's

heavily armed. I got to tell you that we never went up there with that some kind of self protection, but a lot of that wasn't to protect us from these things as much as we thought it might be at the beginning. But seventy one, seventy two or the as it sounds, were chest beating very much a big grilla would do, or something that you're thinking it was a little spooky. I got to tell you then because you still didn't know. You don't know. To this day, we don't know. We do know that in seventy four

there was more subtle. They were trying to say something to me, and I don't to this day know what it was, because until you get one to come in and start talking to you, you don't know that goo google means a tree. You don't know what that means. You know it's a language, though, by the human destination, a language, and that's important. They were talking slower. I don't know what they're saying, but I try to become home.

That was exciting. That was why we're outside the shelter, which was unusual, very unusual.

Sometimes you hear the old man. They call him that one. I don't know how big he was. But we're pounding some tracks up on the ridge. One time when I was meeting up from a hunt and found these tracks coming off of these boulders down into this sandy area and then often too the brush on four big tracks ever twenty five and a half inches. That's pretty big, and I got pictures of that. There's thirteen foot between them.

There wasn't running well at that three loop. I didn't show that one to talk about it for a long time. But nowadays, at my age, I don't care. I just want to share things that I think I know and hope it helps somebody else.

an interview I saw him do. Was he had asked I don't know if he had talked to you about it, or if he had talked to Scott about putting Scott's work together in a paper for peer review and letting other people take a look at these That's a two part question. Is anybody another linguist or somebody along the line of Scott Nelson looked at these things? And is Scott even considering possibly putting his stuff into a paper for peer review? And if not, do you have any idea.

like a regular languist. So I've had people contact me. These things are open for anybody wants to investigate them. They always have been. But I want to make sure they're qualified if they try to put it into some of their category and their paradigm, but that it's not going to work. And listen, in my opinion, they got to get all the way back into the manipulation of the DNA of hominids and how much that happens. I think the whole earth is just a big playground for aliens,

it says. And I got a call on the carpet here a few days ago about somebody saying they were phony the sounds were phonny because they heard a reverb or something in there they thought they did. But I don't know who did that or whatever. But they can't disprove what PhD's have proven so far they have it. And yes, I've had different languages. It's different people say their linguists. But again it's comparing apples with oranges. A

regular linguist isn't qualified to do with Scott Nelson. There's only one or two people in the world discuss says he would trust to. I really look into this like he has, and they're retired like he is. But there's probably others out there somewhere, but no one ever approached me with that offer. And that says they're crypto linguist. Crypto linguist is an art form treated the same as regular linguists, so to put it under an peer review, Scott don't trust them. He wrote a letter to a

very nice letter. Is he want subject his work to somebody that don't know what they're doing.

And Warren Johnson and I were in shelter with one of these things with mouth at all up there, and we was pretty good about then. We didn't think they're going to eat us anymore. We left the sheltered door open, which was just a log between two big trees and an angle, and we thought we'll go out there right quick and walk up there. We'll see this thing run away because we want to get a good viewer one. But we did just that. We jumped out of the

door real quicks We get out. And I started walking up to where the stiles were coming from, which wasn't that far away, and we got within about fifteen feet of the tree. We thought it was behind and him and I both just got froze, and we weren't talking to each other, and we were about ten fifteen feet apart. We were just I don't know how to express it other than I I write about that, and it's like

a force field. You can't go forward anymore. And Warren looked at me and I don't know about you, but I can't move, and I said I can't either, and we started going backwards, and we go backwards and couldn't go forward. I brought that up to liverroy Fish. He was a biologist, he was a scientist. E secs now good man. But he's science can't take on your fears. I said, we were not afraid. Believe me, we were

not afraid. We realize these things are here to hurt us, or they would have already done it if I weren't here to carry away to sleeping bag. They had to carry us a way if they wanted to eat, if they could eat, and they're going to throw a rock at us. I could have done that when we got back in we no sooner got back in the sheltering and saying started South africaon like it was hah, which they can they'd play with you like that. And I had it happened to begin when I was loaning out

in the woods. I was walking along and not thinking about it at all, and all of a sudden, the hairstead o my back. I just was froze right too, and I started looking around where what's going on here? And I couldn't say a source of anything. And of course I didn't know about doctor Durach's anti matter at the time either, because I think they can send out a frequency to you that can stun you like that. I've heard a lot of people say the same thing.

and that's who we're made to be. But we have not evolved in understanding that yet. These are mathematical facts that can't be disproven, or they would have disproven mathematically. That's what Paul Durck got the Nobel Price for. We have two sets. But mostly I've heard on a podcast is on years ago a medium, I said, I need to talk to this guy for this over with. I talked to him and I said, what's going on? How do they do what they do with their vocal work?

He says, I don't know that. No, so you until you get one, you don't know. But that's what gives them such a frequency diversity. Things that we can't do they can do with their vocal equism. If that leads into antimatter, if that leads into the frequency, that can change their matter who they are, and that's what we are do energy only they go out of our perception and that's what that's my theory.

to be a record of the call. Can you talk a little bit about that. I know you got to interview that gentleman. He's even asked if there was a specific police report number that was taken for the call that maybe somebody could go back and reference. But in general, the Foyer request turned up nothing on the nine one one call. But you actually got to talk to this gentleman. Can you talk a little bit about that for people that may not be familiar.

who never went out, just stayed there. He had two younger dogs, their grasser dogs go out and bark That night two years two weeks later when he saw it, actually his German shepherd went out. It's who other dogs came in and cowered down right there, and German shepherd went out there and started barking at something. All of a sudden he heard a big funk and a squeal. It came flying over the fence and landed the thirty five feet away from the fence. He showed us where

it went over the fence. It had to be thrown nine foot high, and we went over there, Peter Burn and I did looking for tracks, looking for anything that could have done at a horse or something like. I could have kicked him. But he had a sighting. You can't deny that when you hear that. Peter contacted the service department because he said after side of the sighting that he saw it run away across the older road there and a car had gone by and had a car actually went off a little bit to miss it.

Peterder even put it add the paper trying to find anybody saying nothing unusual that night on that road, and didn't get any response from it. Peter would have had the number of that report from the first department there. This is a Kidsap County peninsula up there. I'm sure there's a number somewhere. I just don't have it. I edited it. I took out the typing and all that stuff that was in between the reports, because there's two reports, one two weeks and later than the other one two

weeks later on was when he had the sighting. That's when he said, oh, get somebody here. He was afraid to say bigfoot because he knows they laughed at offers. I'm probably when it came out two weeks prior to that is when the New Sun was going on. He called him in, so he had a man take the report then, and then a lady took the report two weeks later. That's the story behind it. I didn't leave his guys have had people trying to get a hold of me to find his name and all that. You

don't respond to his phone anymore. I don't know he's alive. No, I don't know if he lives there anymore, because something like that goes on of you generally, you in your life.

did you hear them talking? There's more Sierra sounds that we've never heard. So I started talking about it on my podcast and we've talked about it and done some interviews with other people and talked about it, and we've done other shows about it, Wayne and I on that Bigfoot podcast. So I reached out to you and got

this conversation going about that. You've obviously talked about it with me privately, So can we talk a little bit about what you have as far as the unreleased sounds, how many they are, and what exactly is in there and why it is that you've chosen not to release those after all these years.

about an hour and a half long. They're doing a really good job. They've been working on this for a couple of years. Whatever. I don't want to interfere with their work. They're very good people. They're going to do a good job I've known them now for a while, so I hope that people aren't offended. It's all chatter that you don't understand. Well, I've listened to them all

that we have hours of it. Really. I have Bill mcdowall's recordings and the production company has Warren Johnson's recordings. So they got to to get all this together, all the silus I've I've been asked several times about this, and so I give you one or two, I think, and you want to play those because we run them through the production people that are doing this, and they said it's okay because really none of them sounds. It's different. It's just chatter. But they talk so much faster than us.

There's a lot of space and time between a lot of them. Two which I mentioned to you, which has our voices back in the shelter. It's just very important that we don't interfere with them. To me, it's important and to them. They spend a lot of money on this, and they're still spending money on it. They're in the editing phase, I think now, but we can play those. We want to.

Or is there anything about the whole situation that still keeps you up at night?

and try to trick or me do all that. So there are a step ahead of you, at least what we dealt with those step ahead of is so. I've been to other places too. Really, it's just a phenomenal history back here. I'm writing my biography now, and just the places I've been, the things I've seen are pretty interested in me anybody else or not. But I think my message to people, if I have a message, is to know who you are as a human being and how special we are as even mean, what we're here

for it's written in my third book. I've written three books, produced two CDs out the Sounds and narrated, one by me and one by Fricks story Trek Next Generation. They're both about forty minutes long with integrated sounds in them. They're both downloadable on my website. Also, my books are downloadable on my website or you can get the hard copy through Amazon, which is ordered through my website. Again, it's just to know that we have to respond with

love and compassion. That's what it's going to elevate us as human beings.