SO EP:577 There's A Monster On The Hill!

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from Brad. Brad was a former fishing guy. He worked on the Newsgek River, he worked up the Wood River up at Electmegig. He He's been all around my old stopphing grounds. He reached out last summer. Initially it took a while because of his work schedule and stuff. He no longer lives in the state, just out of happenstance, not particularly because of this incidents, but it took a while. I finally was able to pinpoint the area, send him some photos from Google Earth, and he guided me into

the area. A little bit of back and forth. On his off time. He went with a buddy. He met from a different outfit. They met at the Cnbar in Dillingham the season before. There were buddies and they decided when they both had time off, they were going to go up to McClung River fish for grayling or whatever and just get up in their head towards McClung Hills, basically just see Alaska, you know what I mean. Because

they were so client oriented. They're rigging up people's poles most of the time, running up and down river, chasing king Sam and that kind of stuff. So they were going to enjoy some time just to do the fishing they wanted to do, which was fly fishing. They get up past tide water, well above tide water, closer to McClung Hills. When they get there, they had to walk around, meaning there was a smaller little tributary creek that fed into the McClung where they had stopped, and they hiped

because the boat wasn't going to get in there. It was too many big rocks and things of this nature, too shallow water. They had to use a jet unit. Just getting to this spot. There was some dead fall.

they get around and they get to the sandbar. Because as they were approaching this little gravel bar that they're fish off of, you got to understand, this creek has pretty high bakes on the sides, not to shear drop, nothing overly major in some places, up to seven foot or whatever. They heard the first weird noise off it the distance. Looked at each other as they were walking, was like, I don't know if I guess, we'll see if it comes in or whatever. Get further to marker

number two and that's where they hear weird noises. They said, it sounded like someone just making up a language. Real loud, not not just gibberish, real real loud in airline. What the hell, Maybe there's some locals drunk back up in here or something. We're fishing with, no big deal. Everyone's been friendly, so nothing to really worry about. They get down to where they're gonna start fly fishing. A couple casts,

you know, they're whipping the line back and forth. And from what Brad said, his buddy Leam was down below him, and he was a little bit further up on the bank higher up again is about three four foot difference. So Brad sees something off to his left and he turns, and that will be the first sighting. It'll be marked on the map. He sees this thing. It's a dark figure. It starts moving from his left around in the trees, coming around towards which would be directly across from where

Liam was down below. He gets leaves attended to says, hey, there's something big and dark moving in the trees over there. Liam's oh, it's probably just to bear. He respools his

line and he backs up. He's getting over because he had taken off his shoulder bolster where he had a forty four magnum and set it down on his date pack because it was messing with them as he was trying to fly fish, was rubbing under his arm and it was irritating him, so he had taken it off with immediately puts it back on, and this thing circled in front of them as they were both standing there

and it screams at him. They were like, what the hell because they could make out a silhouette of something large and it was just pitch black in their field of view. The sun was in their eyes at that moment, so it was just dark. They couldn't make anything out. It was just dark, and the way it was right by the trees, it was just a dark silhouette. That scream happened. Brad said that it felt like it almost made him cough from jiggling his lungs with so much force.

It made him gasp with his breath a little bit because of the intensity of it, and he said it was one of the loudest things he has heard outside of being right next to a runway when a jet takes off some high decimals right there. They're startled, though, I whooped the hell, so they climber their stuff real quick. You gotta understand, it took them an hour and a half two hours to get through this brush, following game trails and all that, just to get to where they were. Now,

they start retreating very reserved. They weren't running, They didn't want to run. They didn't know what this thing was. But it was loud and it was big, and neither one of them had Bigfoot harry Man on their mind right now. Once they start backing up, they get about maybe sixty yards into their retreat in this thing is opposite of them, off to their leaftip as they're facing this creek right, because they kept hearing noises in the brush and Liam's like, it's following us. It's over there,

it's following us. So they both stop and look, and sure enough, it comes out a little bit and that's when Liam gets packed with them. Just the smallest little pebble just boot hit them center of the chest. Startled the shit out of him. He drew his pistol in points and it goes back in the trees right, and then more rocks start reining in, just landing around the little ones, nothing too big. Immediately they were both freaking out. Rad says, come on, let's go. They get to move

it again. They didn't get a whole lot much further, just around to the apex of that real tight bend there at what I called top of the helf here, what about there? And more rocks start reining in. They were trying to pinpoint where the rock's coming from, because at this point the rocks were coming in real hard and real fast. Hitting backpacks hit Rad in the leg. He said that it hit his legs so hard he still has a hardened nodule under his skin just from the impact of it. And he still got a knot

in the muscle from where this an impacted. So immediately it was go time. As far as they were concerned, they wanted to shoot this thing, right, He said. It wasn't his brightest idea because he had a three fifty seven. Liam had that forty four. That's what they had for bear protection. They deliberated, maybe you shouldn't shoot. So Liam says, I'm going to pop one shot. See what this thing does. Because they could see it directly across from them, basically

on a little pinacle. They see it just swaying, lugging. It was staying behind a group with three small trees, just barely showing yourself. Every once in a while, Liam pops a shot that direg shit just over the top. Immediately it disappears, They're like, okay, great, they continue on. They're motivated, so they're moving fairly quickly. They get back around to where they had parked the skiff. Now, when they get back over to the skiff, they were not

cheery at all. They had started bickering amongst each other under stress. They were both under stress, and they started nitpicking each other about who was going to drive this, that and the third. It was just due to strictly the tension in the air that they were just micro bickering over nonsense. So Brad ketches it and says, we're flashing out of each other man, you can drive, that's fine, whatever. Right, So they get to the skiff. Now, understand, on their retreat.

Throughout the whole time, they are hearing this thing off across the creek, breaking stuff, thrashing, making all sorts of weird noises. He said, none of them he could attribute to a imitation of a sound or anything. It all sounded like gibberish and yelling. Intermittently, there'd be like a real high pitched whistle that hurt the ear. It was so high pitched and strong. That was all random in nature. As they were retreating after Liam fired the shot over

this thing's head. So from what Brad said, when they got to the skiff, it looked like it had been messed with. There was some impressions in the gravel, but they couldn't tell from what they assumed it was from this thing or another one, so super high tension. Now it wasn't like tipped over anything like that, but it had been pulled up further up on out of the beach.

They were just dumbfounded by it because they had to anchor line tight off just barely pulled up because it wasn't real fast moving at that point as far as the re or. There wasn't a heavy current that was just going to whisk it away. So seeing it pulled up like that, they're a bit stressed, so they work together. Meanwhile, keep in mind the whole time there's thrashing and yelling going off in the distance, right, So they get it

pushed back down in. Liam pops in and he's firing it up, and that's when a rock hits the skiff. Brad was trying to figure out where it was coming from because they were raining down at an arc very similar to what happened to Daniel and Christopher as far as it was coming in like artillery and just landed in the skiff lang lang lank. And these were a little bit bigger rocks than the ones before. Were, you know, anywhere from the size of a cashew to the size

of a walnut, he said. The one that hit him in the leg real hard was about the size of a walnut. And these were river rocks. They were smooth. So immediately he's like, you know, what the hell. So he's following looking back. He has to go around because there's a little bit of a lip at the mouth of that creek, and he had to get up on the rise a little bit to see passed beyond where the rocks were coming from. He sees it standing and it has no qualms about him seeing it at all.

It's just looking right at him and just chucking these rocks. So he's screwed. This noise. He yells, hey, real loud, has his gun in his hand. This thing is just unfazed, unfazed. Brad wasn't doing anything. He hears the outboard running. Liam's warming it up just a little bit, and as he gets back down to push off, another rock hits and so He's like, what the hell because the rock that landed that time came from off to his right hand side.

So he's facing the river pushing the skiff off, and the rock comes in this way, and that's the direction they're going to get back down to the Wood River. So his attention is drawn to his right, justifiably so, especially with the rock coming in like that. He said that when he turned and looked down the ways, there was a dark head above the brush that was at least seven foot tall as far as what he was guestimating, and there was a head above it, and he would

see the hand the second time it threw something. He saw the hand come up over the brush and watched the rock come and land right in front of his feet. He said, at that point he freaked out. Another rock green from the one that was back behind them, hid inside the skiff. He pushed off. God In pulled out his three fifty seven and was pointing at this thing as they were getting up to speed on the step. As they were going by, he said, it turned and

watching them. He said he got a really good look at the one that was right there off the edge of the river. He said it looked real Neanderthal, very k man like, had grayish skin. He couldn't tell if it was super wrinkly, but he could see some dark crease, wrinkles, nose, flat to the face, real broad jaw, real broad. He said. What was weird though, is it looked like it was balding, like it had a bald spot. He said. It wasn't really crested or anything like that. He said it was rounded,

but bald. He said, it is the strangest thing. You know, he didn't expect, you know, a sasquatch to be bald or whatever. Which is I have no clue that. I'm no expert, Harriet. It just died. Still stop throwing rocks. As he was pointing in that they skiff by now they get back down to the Wood River. They get Brad back to the outfit he was working at. Liam had to take his skiff and go back to his outfit or whatever. They just call it quits. Their adventuring

was done. Brad talks to his boss and he's, I need to let you know what we saw at the McClung river. They start throwing rocks just that. He tells them everything right, and his boss is bullshit he's no, this is what happened. He goes, look, you're under contract. You got your six pack license, you got this, you got that. I need you to operate the skiff that you're here for. It sounds like you're trying to back out of the contract. And he goes, no, not at all.

I'm informing you of what we saw over there, and the guy's bullshit show me. Then, very reluctantly, Brad agreed. He takes his boss at the time back on up there. The next day, they go back to the exact same spot and there's tracks, there's a lot of gravel, but there was a couple of muddy parts where you could clearly see a very large bare footprint, not a bear like er, but a bare human foot shape print clearly in the mud. He said they were at least almost

twenty inches long, which is a big ass. But his boss walks over and is just real arrogant. Because Brad never intended on quitting's job. He was like, no, this is I'm just informing you. But the way his boss acted was very arrogant, very dismissive, just went over and stomped on. He goes, that's just a double bear track man, You're not going to learn anything by being scared of bears out here and this and that, and look, I've been doing this for different outfits over the years. I'm

not unfamiliar with bears. I know what a bear is, and I know what we saw wasn't a bear. He ends up losing his job because of the arrogance of his boss was like, I'm not going to have you potentially tainting clients with this non sense, and he had no intention of sharing it. Essentially, the guy ends up firing him. He fired him on the spot.

going on at the lodge or whatever. So when he gets back to doing him, he happened to run into Liam, who was at ac Alaska Commercial Market picking up some supplies or whatever. Right tells him, hey, dude, I lost my John ob or whatever. It so happened that they needed another guy. So instead of bailing out like he had thought he was going to have to, his buddy, Liam, who was with him, got him lined up with the outfit he was working for, and he finished the season

that way. He said he I ever repaid the guy for the ticket, told him to get bent. I want to thank them for reaching out. I did not get a chance to speak to Liam. It's been a while since Brad has had contact with them. This experience happened to them about fifteen years ago. I want to thank you Brad for sharing that. It took a while to get the mapping right. This area of the McClung, just

north of Dillingham up the Wood River. The mouth of the McClung is in a title zone, but once you get past that, it's all fresh water going back towards McClung Hills, which would be north northeast roughly his rugged remote,

very large bears, very big bears going through there. Yeah, that's where the elderly couple saw the bushmen as they call it, that jumped across into the water, and John, who shared his experiences with us from Fairbanks on down, he pointed out that they were freaked out he saw the wet tracks on the gravel leading away. Just be aware out there because they're not behind every tree. However, it's very random in nature and you just never know.

There's been plenty of people. I've been hunting the same spot forty years and been one twenty minute experience and they don't even hunt any moment. So for those seeking this kind of encounter, good luck. You gotta be careful what you wish for because you just may get it. I wanted to share with you today comes from Priscilla. Priscilla self proclaimed tag along on what happened mid nineties, very traumatic situation of how things played out. She tagged

along to basically help with everything around camp. She was just participating in someone else's adventure. We'll leave it at that. So what ends up happening is that Lake Beverly hard Luck Bay. I've been to that area. It is fricking beyond beautiful, gorgeous area, clear water down to the bottom, just gorgeous. It's hard to put into words how beautiful it is out there. She's on adventure status. She's going along for the ride, tag along, right. She was in

her mid twenties, very adventurous at that time. It changed because of this. So where they end up. They parked the skiff and they set up camp. The total of six people. A couple of them are doing a work related part of their trip where they happen to count salmon hatchlings and other stuff. So they go up creeks and into bogs and they dip in it and they measure the fish and the species and so on. She was just tagging along while they were doing their stuff.

A couple people at stayed of camp, and a group of four she was included. Go up this creek on the map, you'll see a number one. That is where they stopped the first day and there was some study done and the rainforced them back to camp day two. Number two. You'll see the blue dot further up the creek, and you'll see a couple of red dots. I'll get to that in a second. So day two of this

adventure she tagged along for. She ended up carrying some buckets and other equipment for the two guys that were doing their thing. Her older brother was off her left hand shoulder, and the two guys doing their job were in front of them. Her brother was basically a chaperone bear protection so on. He had a shotgun and his handgun. She had brought along a handgun, even though it was a twenty two revolver. She felt safe. So they get back up in there and right where that lake comes

to this little creek, this little fear creek. There at that time there was the beginnings of a beaver dam, and that the two guys that they were with, they tore the beginnings of it apart in the water start flowing and all that kind of stuff. So they sat back for a little while and just watching the guys do their stuff. They're dipping this net into the water. They're scooping out, catching a few here few the area.

It was real slow going. If it wasn't for the beauty of the scenery, they would have been bored to tears. But she was seeing stuff she never seen before, the different species of trees and so on. She said, they're about fifty sixty feet from the mouth of this little creek where it's fed from this larger pond, small lake.

She said. They got bored watching these guys and decided they're going to go up to the lake and look around because it was just crystal clear water, had a bluish hit to it, that bluish greens view just gorgeous. And they get over there and that's when they see the two sasquashed, the two harry Man across that lake, and they're looking right back at them. Immediately, the older brother knew to get down. He knew that there's Harryman over there, and we got to not be here. Smart guy,

no sense in taking a risk. One of the workers that they were accompanying there with they get their attention because these two guys were in the biology field. They start pointing. They start telling them, hey, look over there. The guy's look and they're just like, oh, probably just some fishermen. They were really dismissive initially, well that's just other people, no big deal, it doesn't affect our study.

Their mind wasn't on what Priscilla and her brother were trying to convey to them until the screams went down, and immediately all eyes were that direction, right. The screams have, and that's when the two disappear into the trees on either side of this pond, this small lake off to the right, one off to the left. They disappeared. They

could hear these things coming through the trees. There was loud whoops, There were stuff being thrown out into the water as they were coming, branches breaking, trees shaking, just chaotic noise echoing down through loud as hell. She said. It went from dead quiet to an orchestra playing just loud. It was very powerful, all the different whoops and screams and whatnot. So immediately everyone's puckered up right. Her brother on shouldered the shotgun and they start moving back, keeping

an eye at the chaos coming their way. They weren't seeing much during that point, just a lot of noise, and the noise was coming towards them as they're backing away. She said, they must have gotten maybe one hundred feet by that point. These two things were on opposite sides of where they were just standing. They were on their end of the lake where they were in the fish study going on, and then they commenced to following them. They're retreating back out of there. Every once in a while,

there's rocks landing biome, there's pine combs landing biome. Most of the vocalizations fell off, she said, once they were on the retreat. Understand, this retreat is not just like you're walking down a bike path and get along real easy. No, this is thick underbrush, thick grass. You're not just traveling real easily through this shit. You got on hip waiters. You're going through mucky, marshy stuff, and especially trying to do it quickly. You're falling a lot, You're tripping over stuff.

It's panic riddled. They're trying to flee perceive very dangerous situation. She said. The further they got back away from that lake, the less they were seeing these things and hearing them off to both sides of them, on their left and right just behind them. They're hearing the noises periodically and every once in a while when they'd slow down, and that's when the rocks would rain down, one or two, sometimes a pine, sometimes a stick would come flinging by.

Basically they were being ushered out. That's what I pick up from it. These things easily could have overtaken them. They got to a point to where they were initially once they were getting closer back to the lake shore. She said that they were cut off at one point because one of these things was on their back trail and had gone room. Then quietly unbeknounced to them and got in front of them, and they all saw it

peeking out from behind this tree, just watching them. And again she said, they couldn't really make out the faces because of how they were positioned, the daylight and everything. They couldn't really make out the face very clearly. However, the mannerisms was one, she said of curiosity her brother.

When the one got in front of them as they were retreating, he leveled the gun at it, and then they heard it tear off, made some weird noises like a gargling sound, and some whoops and some chirps, real loud, sharp whistles, and some other stuff as it took off going up towards that little mountain right next to that lake. Once that happened, they immediately picked up their pace because the trail got a little easier the ground was a

little harder. There they got onto the beach. They ended up walking along the beach quietly and slowly because the one that initially scared off when he leveled the gun at it. They could hear it was either that one or another one had crossed and joined him or whatever. But they heard breaking trees, she said. It was some of the loudest stuff. They sounded so close to them, like a tree was just at any moment fall over

right on them. Even though that's unreasonable to think that a tree one hundred feet back from the shoreline's going to break onto you. But it was just panic stricken, right, she said. The day before when they got back to break camp because they weren't going to stay, it was chaos. Everything was thrown into the tent, didn't matter. But one of the guys was dragging the tin full of stuff over to the skiff. The tint tore. It was like a circus, right, So they scrambled, they get everything into

the skiff. They end up firing up the skiff and they take off from and the guys, once they're feeling more safe out on the water away from shore, they said, let's circle back. Let's see if we can see them out in the open. They circled a few times and saw nothing. At one point, just as they're getting ready to leave, they noticed a dark spot way up on that mountain, which was right there. You can't tell from the topographical but it's right there in your face when

you're at that beach, it's right there. And they saw one of them going up that and they just cut out from there. One of the things she also shared was she learned that these guys that they were with, one of them actually had a camcorder and recorded some of this interaction this retreat. She said she found out through her brother, because her brother was tight with those guys.

They lost their job, the reason being that the footage was confiscated, their notes, everything done to document what they were experiencing. They turned it in, Hey, we need to change the study kind of deal. They were fired for not completing the contract they had signed to do this study. So they didn't complete the project that they signed up for because of this circumstance that they're like, hey, look at this, and they use that against them to basically

push them up. I don't know what the endgame is with that, those in power stamping out any sign of evidence. I don't know if it's fear, I don't know if there's a protocol involved. I just don't know, but it's messed up to say the least. To use an experience against somebody as an excuse to fire them is just jackeda I'm going to thank Priscilla for sharing. Priscilla has a very severe fear of the woods, so much so that she can't go by a city park without looking

for a harry Man peaking at her. She no longer lives in Alaska. She moved away decades ago because of this particular instance. One of the things she shared that caused her so much fear was she could tell they were watching her and not the guys. The only time she felt like one of them had their attention on the guy was when her brother leveled the shotgun at it and it left left their view into the trees.

She said, the whole time, from spotting them across the lake, them coming around and then retreating out of there, all to when they were loading up the skiff, she felt watched and she felt like she was their focus. And she said, she doesn't know how, she just felt it in her spirit, and it scared the living hell out of her, and she sore off the woods from that

point forward. When she ended up getting back to Anchorage after that trip, she said it was less than a week, which she tidied up all her loose ends and went back to her home state. I want to thank her for reaching out and being patient with the back and forth on the phones. I know it was a little annoying because it's hard to relive some of those things because you get brought right back into the moment. So

I appreciate that. I appreciate your efforts. I talked to the people a bunch of different times to get their information. If they're willing to share themselves, then by bringing them on and they share. If they're not willing to share, I share for them. Vicariously, it's a little too cold to be out in the Tahoe, so I got to tolerate potentially my dog's getting in my basement a snow. Big deal. What I'm sharing with you today comes pre statehood,

nineteen fifty seven, to be exact. What Herbie shared with me. It was really rough for him because he was ten years old at the time. He was from the village he's from, which he didn't want to get into or whatever. He had to leave due to his father's alcoholism. After World War Two, he gets sent off to his uncle's house which he lived with his at and uncle through high school and stuff. They lived in what is now near what's known as I Did a Rod. It wasn't

the name of the place back then. When he gets there. It was a rough transition because he went from rough ki stuff to stability, which was hard for him to get used to. From what he was saying, but one of the things he enjoyed is his uncle enjoyed getting out into the woods, love to adventure. His uncle had gotten back from doing chores with his older cousin, which was fourteen. His uncle just got done talking to a neighbor about something to do with some rocks he suspected

potentially a gold claim or something like that. Just really random in nature. But it was an adventure. His uncle was all for trying to get a leg up, go gold mining or whatever, look for gold, peter whatever. Again, he's ten years old, and so he's getting bits and pieces of it and doesn't truly understand what's going on. Where they were was south of where I Did Rod is now. He said when they left, him and his cousin were the worker bees. That's pretty standard stuff. As

Native kids. You're doing the word.

to travel to this spot. They stopped a couple places and set a net for whitefish, just to have food on the trip because his uncle only brought some beans and stuff. They get to where they were going to walk along this bluff. According to what he was saying, his uncle's friend neighbor told him along that bluff he

had found some gold nuggets. If he was really wanting to try to get a leg up to go there, and that's the place to go, right His uncle's just going on a whim basically, Hey, yeah, just go on. In adventure was just getting into fall. The leaves are starting to turn in everything, and so Chris morning the first morning after they set up camp for the first

few days. It was no problem. They were going approximately maybe a thousand and fifteen hundred feet from their camp, walking along this bluff, just stopping periodically and checking out the ground, seeing how much overburden there was, how much dirt on top, and basically just digging around seeing if they find quartz or any other kind of leading rocks. Right, So, he said he was just doing his thing, being a kid. He's ten years old. He's looking at the birds. He's

doing kid stuff. He had a little twenty two for shooting spruce grouse or maybe a rabbit or something like that, because again they only brought some beans and so they only caught a few white fish on the way down. Basically, his uncle tells him, I'm going to be digging around you and your cousin. You guys shoot spruce chickens or whatever. Make sure we have something at the end of every

day to eat. So he was doing his thing. He said it was about three days into this that early in the morning he had gotten up he had to use the restaurant outside. When he got up, he heard a howling way off in the distance. He just figured wolves, no big deal, there's wolves around. At that time, his uncle was getting up and heard the wolves too. He's going back into this makeshift shelter. I wouldn't call it

a tent, old school canvas tark. His uncle had made a little portable wood stove out of some old small oil can of some kind. He said, it had to have been like a twenty gallon twenty ish gallon oil can. But his uncle had fabricated him a little wood stove right and used some old exhaust pipe from a vehicle for the stove pipe. Again, uncle was all about making

stuff hisself, so everything was improvised. He's in there feeding this stove and his uncle comes back in, and it was Kirby's job to basically cook breakfast, get breakfast going once they got there. They had always had beans on the stove, so there was always beans ready. It's just what we're having with the beans kind of thing. He gets dressed and he goes out looking for spruce chickens.

He's unsuccessful. He comes back because they're about to start this work day where they're basically adventuring checking out the area. They got to a spot further down the bluff, the furthest they've gotten from camp. That's when it was mid morning, and they heard the loudest howling he said he had ever heard in his life, a wolf howl. He said it sounded like a wolf on a bullhorn. It was very powerful, very loud, and immediately him and his cousin

were scared. Now, his cousin's fourteen, just a few years older, but of course a little bigger. At that age. His cousin had a thirty out six rifle. He had his little twenty two, and his uncle also had a thirty out six rifle. Always had him with them because there's bears out there. So the digging, and grant you, this wasn't full blown mining. They were just digging a little bit, checking the area. That it was an adventure. It wasn't like a full blown mining program, you know. They were

just out there to check it out. He said. His uncle, once the howling stopped, tells the boys, gather up your stuff. Well, the boys, all they were carrying was one shovel. He had a small pick, their firearms, and a couple extra ammo in their pockets. But his uncle was so focused he was telling them, basically, have your stuff together, we gotta go. Him and his cousin did not see what his uncle initially saw because he was looking up the bank off to the right, just off away from them

from the where that sound was originating. They're ready to go, They tell them, hey, yeah, we're good to go. Uncle starts telling them to walk back. Start walking back. Now they get about ten feet, Herbie said, that's when a few rocks pom hit the ground real hard. He said they had to been thrown with force near Looking around, and his uncle says run. So they're confused. He said, run the kayak. Run, there's a jakaya cup. There a monster. Right.

They take off running because at this point this thing was just above them on the bluff. They didn't see it initially. So they're retreating back to their camp, which again thousand feet a little more, not that far, and the big scheme of things because they're running, they were up on a little shelf that was up a little higher than the river before the bluff started. They're going along and all they had to go by was game trails, old game trails and whatnot. It wasn't a well traveled area.

They're busting through and once they got about half the distance from where the initial rock throwing started, that's when he heard his uncle firing bam bam. He said he unloaded his rifle because when they heard the shots they turned around to look. They couldn't see what his uncle was firing the rounds right, he shot four or five times, had the bolt open on his thirty out six, and he's telling them run get the camp, and he's reloading

his rifle. They get about half the distance from where his uncle started shooting the first time, and more shots pop off. After the second volley of gunfire, they heard this hillacious screaming. He said. It sounded like a demon coming out of the woods. That's when him and his cousin first got a look at the harry Man. He

said it was real lanky and skinny. It was very tall, but it looked weird because it looked like its torso was the longest part, along with his arms, and his legs didn't seem to be all that long from their vantage point, so he, being so young, didn't understand. He wasn't understanding what he was seeing at the time. He said he was really confused because to him it looked like a skinny man in a fur coat, and he didn't know why his uncle was trying to shoot this

skinny man in a fur coat. He at the time, being ten, he knew it was large, but he didn't realize how large. They get back to camp and the screamings going on, still just off out of sight, and the uncles keep in watch, and they're trying to get everything done, unpacked all that stuff. The stove was still hot from the morning, so him and his cousin drug

it outside. They dump all the coals out of it and set it off to the side and kind of stomp on all the coals that were left, just to get them out of the way, and they start taking down this canvas tarp that they had set up. Meanwhile, the whole time, his uncle's telling them to hurry, cut the lines. Don't save the rope, just cut the lines. Get our stuff. He's ten, cousin fourteen. They're doing their damnedest. His uncle was always kind, always quick to laugh, like

to joke around. Wasn't a mean guy, but he was very serious. You hurry up, hurry, first time he heard his uncle cuss yelling at him to move their asses, to get the shit and get moving. They gather it up. At some point his uncle turns around and it gives them instruction on what to bring lead the take this, take that, and leave this stuff. I'll get it later or whatever. So they end up leaving that canvas tarp and a couple other things, nothing too major, a kerosene

lamp or something. They grabbed the most important stuff. Him and his cousin are going along back down to the skiff. The uncle's right there watching Meanwhile. This whole time, this harry Man's just out of sight, screaming, breaking stuff periodically. Grass dumps and stuff would fly by, just demonic sounds that he had never heard before, and it really freaked

him out. They get down to the skiff, and at that point they're getting the stuff in the skiff, and his cousin has to keep watch while his uncle fires up that homemade contraption of a motor. It was an old motor out of a car. It flooded a lot, It had its problems, right, So the uncle sat there for almost an hour, cousin keeping an eye out. Uncle was real nervous looking around all the time. Finally got

it started and they got out of there. One thing that Herbie said that he'll never forget is when he saw it as they were leaving the river bank. They weren't doing anything. This thing started chucking rocks, dangerously, chucking rocks at them. He found out later that the two rocks that impacted him and his cousin were almost hit by these rocks. They were kids. They weren't paying attention

to up the hill. They were paying attention to the path that they had to take, and the rocks just came in just behind them both and they hurt him impact, But he found that out later. He didn't realize how much danger they were in until the shots fired, and he said the expression on this think's face was just one of hate. He said he never he's dealt with hate in his life, and he's never seen that kind of scowl. He said, this creature had real like complexion,

almost like a white man. However, the difference being is the shape of the head was different. Real big head, real white jaw, real big nose, bulbous at the tip. That was the things that stood out the most to him. The eyes. He said, he saw nothing but blackness. He couldn't make out the eyes. Again. This comes from approximately nineteen fifty seven, pre statehood. He said that once they got back to the village, his uncle had a powwow

with his friend and some other stuff. He said it was like a week later they attempted him and his friend and a couple other adults, not kids this time had gone back and from what he heard, there was nothing left of the type. It was shred to bits. Whatever else was there was just destroyed. I want to thank herby for having the patients. Thank you to his granddaughter for helping him, because hey, he's not hyptotechnology, far less than me, and I'm not very good at it.

I appreciate his patience. I want to thank his granddaughter. She knows who she is, Herbie. I appreciate you sharing that with us. Thank you guys for joining me. We will catch you guys on the next one.