SO EP:513 Sasquatch Unleashed

Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you what

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I was asked to come on Untold Radio as a guest with Doug Hicheck and Alex hycheck over there. Had an amazing time talking to those guys. We get into all kinds of things here, and frankly, Doug asks me some questions that I've never been asked before, So you're gonna hear things here that you've never heard from me in the past. It was a really cool conversation. I think you're really going to enjoy it. We talk about my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed the truth behind the legend.

Our guest Brian King Sharp. Brian's the native of northwestern Georgia. He's been captivated by mysteries beyond our understanding since childhood. Throw alled my tales of hairy creatures in the mountains near his home, apparently in a personal encounter when he was a child, and that ignited his deefascination with the topic. Propelling him into the endless exploration of the topic. And he had a sixteen year career in law enforcement. And Brian turned his passion into a hobby by starting a

All right, there he is there. He is the man in the myth, the legend.

Does everybody get the disclaimer? Or was that just for me?

Just for you? Okay, I figure out you need that special just for you. Brian, you do know me? I figured yeah, I do. Yeah, I knowing you. It's why we're gonna have fun.

I'm tarous about these questions that I've never been asked before.

There's gonna be a whole bunch of them. They've never been asked.

I'm ready, man, I'm ready.

All right. First off, you probably have been asked this, but you got to tell us quick you saw something when you were.

A kid, didn't see anything. I believe I was paced out of the woods.

By one of these things.

I talk about it in the first chapter of the book, Sasquatched the least. It was a situation where I out hunting. It was an area of the woods that I'd never been in before. I always got the creeps there. I had this really odd, ominous feeling when I went in that area and whatever this was ten fifteen feet away, just on the other side of the brush. I couldn't see huff's growls. What sounded like, I know now to be a bluff charge. That was really something that scared me.

Have you ever been scared on your own property ever? Like actual feeling like creeped out.

There's been a couple of times. There was a time. I think it was a last summer. I'm weird. I like to look for gold on my property. We have creaks on the property, so I like to pan for gold. One of my favorite shows in the war.

I like to come there at night. I pan for gold when you're not.

I was wondering what was making those security lights go off. Now I know it's you, but yeah, I like to do that. There was one time last summer, middle of the day, broad daylight, I had this ominous feeling that something was watching me every here on the back of my neck stood up and I just got that feeling. I left the area and I was only maybe a couple hundred yards into the woods up the creek. I've bent over and I'm just scooping stuff in. I'm paying

Yeah, you want to see one, but you want to see it in the right circumstances. You don't want to be opening a curtain and they have been looking at you, or see it while you're walk taking a walk at night. Oh god, yeah, I told people.

I told that story on many podcasts, and I've talked about it on my show, and people said. The first thing they said was, what did you go outside and look and see what it was? I'm like, no, I had no desire.

To do that. It's so easy, no desire.

No. I've had situations where I've been outside on the deck before bed and i hear something running up the side of the heel here that sounded bipedal and sounded big I'm not chasing that. I learned long ago. I did that in my police career. I don't chase bullets anymore. I don't chase bad guys, and I'm not chasing bigfoot on my property. Just not doing it.

That's good. Have you ever had I mean you very likely because I know I know where you live, and you live in a very very rural area, lot of trees, water, a good area, hills, You've got all the right geography. Have you ever experienced a noise or a slap on the home or what you thought was a rock hitting or your home?

Never a slap, but I have heard strange things hitting the house. We have a ten roof. We live in a four hundred square foot tiny house and it has a tin roof. But there are things that fall out of the tree.

I'm very skeptical.

I'm an Ockhams Raiser kind of guy, so I always go to the simplest explanation is it's probably something falling out of a tree. I have heard things in the past that have made me scratch my head and wonder. I think the last time I was on with you guys was like March of twenty twenty two. So a lot of things has happened over the last couple of years on the property and off the property obviously, but I had never heard wood knocks until last year. It

It was like bam.

It sounded like they were probably half a mile to a mile away. There's a huge ridge. Our property goes all the way up to the back of the ridge we have forty acres and on the other side of that there's another probably three hundred acres of nothing but woods. It was coming from that direction, which is where the majority of the vocalizations outside of what we heard forty yards or so away from the house have come from. So yeah, it couldn't be anything other than the quintessential

I don't know the.

Things hitting the house, Like I said, I could be acorns falling out of a tree, but sometimes I've heard them and it sounds like something different, but never a slap on the house now, So.

On the vocals that you've heard, including the wood knocks, do you think those could be a vocal to the wood knocks? I do.

So many people I have talked to over the last few years have brought that.

Up more and more.

I talked to one gentleman not too long ago who claimed to have seen a sasquatch making these popping wood knock sounds with its mouth. And I've got another gentleman that was in our Facebook group big Foot Encounters and Field Research on Facebook. One of the guys in the group recently has postulated that these things are mouth pops instead of wood knocks. I'm actually in the process of reading Tom Powell's.

Book The Locals.

I just ordered those because I just interviewed Tom a couple of days ago, and it's one of the things we got into towards the end of his interview is he was literally showing me how he thinks that sasquatch does these wood knocks with their mouth. If you really think about it, it doesn't make sense that sasquatch is out in the woods with something to knock on trees.

They can't. There was a time where we got an answer right after we wood knocked, and I'm like, there's no way they've phoned a stick that quick and responded, there's just no way. How do you think they do it?

Can you show us basically what Tom was showing me. You open your mouth, you have your mouth open, and then you're cupping your hands and you're hitting your hands in front of your mouth like a He does it much better than me.

That's a fail.

That's definitely a fail. Tom is going to fail me out of my science class because I do so.

It could be like a tongue click and then doing the cupping the hands got so interesting because it shirt does sound like wood when you get that baseball bat or something on the exact right sized pine tree, it's just got that echo, hollow sound. But yeah, I agree, there's just there could be no way they can mimic wood hitting wood. What else can they mimic? Now? Metallic sounds.

I've interviewed so many people that have talked about hearing weird metallic sounds eight miles deep in the woods where there's no explanation where they're having big foot activity. It just doesn't make sense. We experienced it quite a few times when I was up in Radium last year with Todd. These things were interacting like I was doing whoops and calls back. I was getting wood knocks in response, much like you said, there's no time for them to be able to do that, like you can't hind.

A rock or tide.

Postulates that they're using rocks on rocks at times and or rocks on trees. I don't know. I tried to demonstrate that while I was up there. I took a big rock and smacked the side of one of these huge trees that hurts like hail.

Dude. Yeah, I don't think that's what's going on, but definitely that. Yeah, I've heard the two rocks bain together. That kind of makes sense, but they could be mimicking that too.

Yeah, I agree.

What's the weirdest vocal that you've heard other than a woodknock?

Definitely the Ohio Howell type vocalization is what we were hearing. That's the first thing we ever heard on the property.

Like an air raid, Sirene.

The one that we heard here near the house was forty yards away or so, had a little bit of a bark or a growl on the end. It was at the end it was cleared, So that definitely the weirdest.

It's like a samurai growl sort of.

Yeah, that's definitely a good way to put it. I think the weirdest thing that I've ever heard was up in Radium last October. We're sitting around the campfire. There's five of us sitting around. Todd's talking, of course, because that's what he does best. We're all sitting there listening to him tell the story, and we hear it's like this kind of sound sounds like it's thirty feet away from us in the woodline. I immediately stopped. I was like, hold on, did you guys hear that. Ashley was there,

Didn't hear much, so he didn't hear it either.

But we clearly heard what sounded like samurai chatter, and actually caught a little bit of that over Todd talking on the audio recorded that I had going and it's really weird. It's the only time I've ever heard anything that sounded remotely like the Sierra sounds Samurai chatter. Obviously, in real life and or recorded. Frankly, I've never heard it before, but it was clear as day. We definitely heard it, and it sounded like it was thirty feet away from us. It was not far away.

Did you hear them? We recorded like talking of at Snowbrow. It was so weird and so clear. We not only heard it, but we recorded it. Dave Ellis, I think he's in the chat yep. He started analyzing it and comparing it to even some other known vocalizations, including the Moorheads, and yet it's got all those missing fundamentals. Man, it's just like human talking, but with the samurai kind of flair. It was so clear. It wasn't like a distant It was like talking right near our mic.

But like another language. We're not talking like English, we're.

Talking oh right, yeah, like in Gibberish.

Yeah.

But yet you could if you wanted to, you could substit to with you in words. It was mind blowing for me, actually knowing something's right outside that cabin door in the middle of nowhere, talking vocalizing, but with a human language. I don't know, man, it's so good chills thinking about it.

It's really unnerving when you think about it. I left that trip from Radium having had so many awesome experiences that I couldn't explain. God, here we are, We're eighteen miles deep in the middle of freaking nowhere. Something is throwing rocks at us. It's either banging a tree or it's making something. It sounds like a wood knock. Now we're hearing this weird gibberish samurai kind of chatter stuff. It was really unnerving. We were sleeping in campers. But

It's a wrap. Right. It's very unnerving.

Just to put in perspective. I've been watching a documentary on chimps, Regular chimps. There was a case with I had to put one down and it literally ripped a door right off.

Of a car.

We're talking on a two hundred pound chim not a bigfoot.

Yeah, those things are no joke, man.

Yeah. When we went to Snell, so we went down Brian and the lady goes, well, you guys are going out to Snell and we're like, yeah, we're flying out today. She's like that Cavin got wrecked two weeks ago. Again we're like what, Adam goes, you do you have any pictures or videos? She is a video broken glass doors ripped off, inside, covered doors ripped off, all that same kind of weird damage, no scratches, no bite marks. Then

So they knew you were coming. Doug, You're like a magnet for the stony.

Oh no, man, it's just it's craziness. Doesn't the existence of this creature bother you? Like it bothers me? Like we deal with it every day. You do, and I know I do every day. I deal with this, and yet still bugs me. I can't just look up in the encyclopedia or online and see all of the scientific photos of it. It just doesn't make sense.

Yeah, it drives me crazy. I have been so skeptical for so long, and I've been on the fence, and I've had experiences recently, just over the last less than a year that have completely taken me past the point of wondering if these things exist to knowing that they exist. Now I'm in this weird place of all I'm focused on is what they are, why we can't find them, why we don't have them scientifically recognized. All of the things just spiral around in my brain constantly. It drives

But here's the thing, Brian, you have to deal with this mystery every day. Oh yeah, you're interviewing you. How many witnesses of you interviewed by now.

I'm over five hundred episodes of sasquat ch Outa.

See you've interviewed a very minimum five hundred six seven hundred people.

Yeah. Probably if you figure in speaking engagements and going to conferences and just talking to people on the spot in person, probably a thousand people at this point.

Oh okay, so probably easy. But we can't get away from the lack of substenance. And I've been chasing this thing thirty five years, and like you, I have the vocals and the rocks and the wood nuts and the footprints and the hair, all very physical, but yet I still feel like I'm going crazy, going nuts.

Yeah, if you go down the rabbit hole, it takes you farther and deeper every single day, but I love it. It's one of my favorite things.

Well yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to think that you don't enjoy what you do. I know you do, but it still drives you. It is a little bit maddening.

Do you feel like we're getting closer, for lack of a better word, community.

That's a good question, Alex. I'll be honest with you. I think there is a lot of work to be done in the community. I see this over and over, just the different camps that people are in. You have a conversation with somebody like Tom Powell. He is out there with his theories on these things, but he's come to these conclusions after decades of looking into this. I'm still a flesh and blooder. I'm in that camp. I've planted my flag there since day one. But I'm open

And Brian, you've been in zoo Book meetings. Yes, that's a big move forward. Scientists getting together talking about this topic, listening to guys like you and like me. I think it's a huge breakthrough. I agree because that group is growing. There's more and more scientists and experts joining. At some points, I'm hoping it just keep growing it becomes a real deal.

Honestly, I think there are plenty of people out there, like the ones that are involved in Zoo Book. There are quite a few that are in the Bigfoot closet, they're not going to come out because there's a risk of losing funding. There's a risk of losing or not gaining tenure. Meldrum went through that, Krantz went through a

What if, though, like Darby and gets safe number of full sequences DNA. Do you think that might get some interest more interest? I think it certainly would.

That's something that I've thought about tons and tons of times, because there's a whole other underbelly of conversations to get in as far as collecting a specimen or not what

I think we're racing towards all having a DNA machine on our desk like we do a copy machine. I do see the technology getting smarter. I can hardly the DNA machines the labs are using from my printer. Do you remember, Brian, when we would pay or you'd go into the office and they'd have to sign a twenty year lease on a copier. I remember signing those leases. God, we're old, Doug, We're so old. So they were ten

Yeah, look at I guess the most comparable thing that my mind goes to is like carbon printers.

There you go, there's the best example ever. Yeah. Good.

Now you go to conferences and people have entire tables of things and you're like, oh my god, that's such a cool Bigfoot. Where did you get that?

Oh?

I made it with my carbon printer at home?

Yeah? Yeah, three D printer.

Have a three D printer?

Yeah, I remember when those things were, like when they first came out, like thirty grand. You can get them on eBay now or Amazon for a hundred bucks and they work really well. It's scary. Alex has got a hold, like a big room setup. How many three D printers JEV.

Think, like ten or eleven, ten or.

Eleven all running producing stuff, for making stuff or doing whatever. This is like craziness. So mark my words, in this ten years, we're in this very exponential technology at this point.

So basically, even if the scientists aren't willing to do the hard work, if it's affordable, we can do it.

I just think it's going to be Put it this way, I think Bigfoot's on its last legs of hiding from humanity.

But here's the devil's advocate for a second, Like, how many people are really boots on the ground researchers that are out trying to collect DNA. I know you've done things in the past. I know, people like Jeff have done things. I've talked to other people that have done things like they're trying to make traps with velcrow and other things to get hair samples and those kind of things. But how many people are truly doing that, because, let's

But like my little tech breakdown, it's no big deal, but it reminds people that it's not that hard to have at least the tools to collect DNA or fingerprint or whatever. I think things are going to change. I think we're going to see the bar. I'm hoping LMS two with all the science I'm putting in there and all the news stuff, I'm hoping that raises the bar. I won't solve the mystery, it'll raise the bar. And

I started the show because I wanted to talk to those people that had those experiences. And I've quickly realized that I have the ability as a podcast or any podcast, there's not anything unique to me. Anybody who interviews witnesses, whether you're talking about Bigfoot or other cryptids or five, whatever the case may be, you become a repository of information. Yeah, and it's out there in perpetuity. I could drop dead tomorrow and every one of those five hundred plus episodes

It, and just so you know, and I don't know if you think about it, there are scientists studying your podcast. They're listening to those stories. At some point it's going to have an effect. So what you're doing is very worthwhile, far beyond what you may think it's doing. I think historically people will look back at this stuff and go, wow, well it's going to be a big deal. So I do congratulate because you're definitely a pioneer in thus.

Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Otasey. We'll be right back after these messages.

You West Germer, other people that have just documented all these stories are really doing heroes work.

I already see it myself. I can go back and listen to We just celebrated we're over five hundred episodes at this point. We just did a live show over on that Bigfoot podcast to celebrate the five hundred episode of Sasquatch Odyssey. That's one of the things I talked about is I go back to episode two or three of the show and I'm hearing people tell me things that I thought were some of the most far fetched things I'd ever heard, and at that time they were.

The thing is, the scientists, Brian can Binge listen to your shows. You can get this perspective on what's really going on. They can hear the sincerity in the witness. I just think it's very important. It's why we just started five Minute Witness because I want to do something a little more that for all people listen to fine of our show. The stuff's important to document because there's very few people giving evidence and there's very few people

That is such a deep question. I am certainly not there to have an answer. I have been back and forth on so many different levels with possible candidates for these things, and I tried to do that a little bit and sasquatch on lease. The truth behind the legend is talk about what they could be. Go down the list of candidates.

Well, how about this, let me make it even more complicated. Oh please, do I love complicating because you deluded that you're still in this camp of flesh and blood? What was your best guess when he first got into the podcasting? How has that changed? How do you feel now? Best guests? And where was it before?

I was always in some shape, form or fashion, thinking some sort of a relic, hominoid of some sort. Right, I am farthered down the road now, honestly thanks to Matt Pruitt. Matt Pruitt is to blame for this. I think Gigantopithecus is probably and not necessarily Gigantopithecus is Blackie.

Oh no, mean to interrupt you, but do you think it's even possible? What if there's two completely different creatures that evolved two different ways from two different early hominids, you know, and we could be dealing with that too.

It's pretty highly unlikely for most people to even conceive the fact that there's some sort of giant, hairy hominid that's walking around now undiscovered in North America. I think it would be even a bridge farther than that to think that there is possible Now. I think there are possible offshoots or different types of these creatures, because if you look at the descriptions across history, and we're talking

How often do you hear Brian a reddish browner than a ranting colored like the color of your logo. Do you hear that often or do you mainly hear black?

I hear that quite often, actually reddish brown, rust colored brown, specifically in the eastern southeastern United States for the part.

Is it just me or does this seem like it's changed in the last five six years? Look, I'm hearing more and more of these auburn colored.

Bigfoots right less black, less dark brown, more of this rust colored cinnamon kind of read. Yep, you're absolutely right. I've seen the trend as well.

How what do we attribute that to?

Is it some sort of adaptation that's happening over the last say, five decades, or is it something else?

Is it environmental?

Is it something that's just happening in the psyche of people because they're hearing those descriptions somehow that morphs its way into their experience because they've heard that on shows like mine. Because we have to be honest, That's why I wrote a huge amount in the book about that bigfoot in pop culture, what that does to the stories, how that impacts people's brains when they have experiences genuine or not. There's plenty of genuine experiences that people have,

I just swear to God, back in the old days, all I heard it was black. No, I'm hearing auburn. Cal I'm like, what the hell is going on? It's strange, strange, And do you wonder about that? I don't know, whatever you would think auburn would actually blend in better? What are your thoughts on that? Here? A hunter, do you think it would be harder to see an auburn colored Bigfoot or a jet black bigfoot.

Certainly in the autumn when the leaves are changing, it would be perfect camouflage in this area here in North Carolina. If I walked out right now and there was something that was cinnamon colored or auburn colored, it could blend in easily in the woods here because just about every leaf is that reddish brown tint because they're changing and

It just sticks out.

So it would make sense to me that they would probably be able to blend in a lot better if they were something other than just jet black.

The batmm made a really interesting comment, Is it possible our sun is a little stronger and these creatures are getting bleached out? Who's to say she's wrong exactly? That makes sense.

Our hair changes, our skin tone changes. If the more time you're expose to the sun.

Yeah, I've always felt the sun is getting stronger myself. It just goes grasping at straws. But I'd swear to God, I'm seeing things get baked. Ropes on my dock get disintegrated in two weeks. Sometimes nylon ropes. I've never seen that before. They get like hard as a rock and baked. I've seen those vinyl long window blinds, brain, I've seen those getting baked like you put them up and they've been on that course. Could be that cheaper materials are

Yeah, I think it's just cheap plastic. I don't think the sun's getting shit. You could be right, But Daniel says in the Chatty's talking about Scott Carpenter has a picture of a white one. I've interviewed probably three people out of five hundred episodes of the show that have claimed to have seen a white sasquatch, and it seems to be the ones that I recall immediately. I know at least two out of the three that were in

Is this important? Otherwise I want to forget. If you see infrared footage of a white bigfoot, chances are it's fake fur, because any fake fur looks white under infrared light at night. Nighttime footage white bigfoot because it's just the dyes produce a phosphorescent glow at night. I'm not saying that white ones don't exist, but I'm always suspicious at night when I see.

Have you heard of white ones being seen in places? But there's a lot of snow.

Definitely not in North Carolina. Just a white bigfoot in general doesn't make sense to me. It would have to be some sort of a mutation. Then you think about, how could a seven eight foot tall bipedal harry hominid avoid detection even in the best of scenarios, if it were completely white, it would be almost impossible to do. Again, not saying it's not possible, but it would be highly improbable that way.

So how clearly did they see the white ones?

Apparently? Oh, he saw it very clearly.

He was probably thirty feet away with a group of friends. They were teenagers out playing hide and seek in the woods. This thing was standing thirty feet away from them, shaking a tree. It was pissed off. It was dark, but it was lit, so he could make it out pretty clearly. According to him, it was definitely right. Someone said, an albino, Yeah, it would definitely have to be some sort of a mutation.

I would think. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence of pretty much every mammal. It can be born with white lack of pigment in there here. They don't even need to be an albino to be white. That's that. There's another word. I can't think of it right now. We showed that raven Alex, Remember that raven that was white? Yeah, not an albino had blue eyes, so who knows. But their hair is a little different. I studied all the time because it's like it wants to tell me something.

Like missing for on one? Do you think they're responsible for a lot of disappearances state parks, stuff like that?

Are they responsible for any disappearance?

I think it's highly probable that they are. Because they are animals. They're just like people. That's like saying, is it possible that people kill people? Yeah, yeah, tons of people kill people every year. I think they're just like people in that aspect. I think there could be rogue bigfoot, that could be hungry bigfoot.

It's not so much a regular thing, like not most people aren't murderers, but obviously as a percentage there's violent people.

Yeah, I would say it's probably less probable that you're going to have a run in with a bigfoot that's going to drag you into the woods. Then you're going to run into a bad person who's going to give you problems in the woods. But I certainly think again it's probable, because I think these things are animals, and if they are as powerful as I think they are, ninety nine point nine to eight percent of all the encounter stories that we hear are very benign, right, They're very mundane.

Run of the day.

I ran across them. They were running away from me. They were trying to get away. They're trying to be unseen. That kind of thing. Only a few people here and there you hear. These things are seeking out people. They're looking in windows, they're right next to people in the woods, They're coming up. They seem to be pushing the boundaries in some cases. Yeah, certainly, I think there's probably some scenarios where people have not fared well against these things.

I feature a.

Lot of the stories that's Red tells from Alaska. Just about without fail, every type of encounter up there is a negative one in that area. It seems to be very isolated. It's not the expanse of all Alaska, but there's this certain area that these things seem to be very aggressive and territorial. I think that makes sense in a lot of cases. I think that they're probably protecting resources. They're acting like a bear would. I think they're very similar.

By the way that word Eric and Flat Rock, it's lucistic. Lucistic is a non albinome blonde genetic difference because I would think albinos would have more problem with their eyes where lucistic animals do. Not makes sense. So thank you Eric and Rock.

God you have a smart audience. They're amazing.

They are incredible.

Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at that. They're smarter than Alex. Doesn't I'm just kidding. Oh, I was gonna mention too. And David, if you get a moment, Alex send David a lank for tonight, and David towards the end of the show tonight will play those sounds are recording up at snell.

Ooh, very cool.

If you hang on till I get a little deeper here, we'll play him. If David's willing, If he's still with us, Yeah, there is, he's still here. I'm sure he'd be happy to play those. This whole mystery is maddening, but it's also I think certainly enhanced my life beyond I can't even describe it. Don't you feel the same way, Brian. We're a lot alike in that way that we work full time on this. Don't you think it's enhanced your life in a whole bunch of ways.

Absolutely, First and foremost, it is with the people that I have met because of this subject. I've said that to you and Alex and Blaine it before. That's the most important thing to me is the relationships that I've built because of this. People that I would have never met or have never gotten the pleasure of knowing and calling friends happened.

Because of the subject.

Now, the people that I grew up entertained by or fascinating by your work, Monster Quest, watching Cliff Kevin Bobo on television, now being able to call people like that friends. It's amazing to have the resources just to reach out and brainstorm. We've done that in the past. You've called me about things, I've called you about things I do that with Cliff. It is fascinating the things that you wouldn't have known otherwise. This has just opened up so

I don't care what anybody says ninety nine point ninety nine percent of everybody I've ever met, there's just amazing, wonderful people. They are most people.

Looting Brian, yes, but that's debatable. The jury still out on me. But everybody else that I have.

Met has been fantastic. Yes, And I think the topic brings people together. I'll ever forget it. When we were at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, some guy came into the buffet. He just yelled as lowsycuse. He goes, I'm finally with my people. I thought, yeah, I get it.

That's exactly how I felt. We got to hang out after the conference. It was phenomenal. Cliff called me up and said, hey, man, are you coming to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. I was like, no, I've never done it. But he was like, come hang out with me when in my booth and we'll sell your books. Obviously, Cliff wrote the forward to my book, so he was like, come on, you'll sell books, and you can help me

It was more.

Yeah, it was way more folks, way more. It seemed like only an hour because it was so much fun. But yeah, it was just an amazing experience. I felt so connected to everybody. And where else can you do that. You're standing around jaw jacking with Doug Hijack, the Man, Alex himself, click Berrickman. You've got Jeff Meldrum milling around eating a hot dog. It doesn't get any better than that. And it's all because of Bigfoot.

It's an amazing thing. Man, It's the best thing I've ever done in my life. Oh I remember is I had a few beers and all of a sudden, Marcos, you need to come in and sign two hundred banners, which I'm sure you had to do.

You remember that was that before or after he was doing his sarmiento?

Oh my god, that was priceless. Yes, I think my pants and Mark can do Esteban sermiantos.

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Estebon is such a great guy. I talked to him the other day. I was asking him about the apricrine glands under primate's armpits have a little different type of land than we do, although we have some of those two but not the quantity. And I was asking him whether would that substance that comes out of there, could that be spread on objects as a territorial marker. He hadn't really thought about it, but he goes, yeah, absolutely smells I'm potent. And I'm like, okay, that's it. Goodbye.

What what do you think about the smell, Doug, Because that's something that when I first got into Bigfoot, that was something that I thought was just synonymous with these things, but it's really, in my experience, only been about fifteen to twenty percent of the documented encounters. Do you think it's an environmental thing. Do you think it has to do with this gland? What is your thoughts on where's the smell coming from.

I'm one hundred percent convinced because of an experiment that we ran that they can produce it at will. We did something to irritate them, and we got sprayed. We walked quarter a mile, did something to irritate them a little bit, got sprayed. I call it sprayed. But we got a whole bunch of us together and did something

I've always thought it was more at least maybe in some places like the Everglades, Florida, really humid places here like in the southeastern United States, that it might be something that was more environmental because they're not necessarily bathing.

Let's stop right there. I spent ten days in the jungles and belize I've never sweated so much in my life. On the summertime I was down there working for Discovery Channel, I just kept jumping in the river. Pan who cares? Just constantly jumping in the river every chance I got jumped in the river because they will just refresh you.

It's not a typical thing that I ask during people's encounters, but you're right, I should probably ask that more often.

Yeah, when you go from the freshest air in the world. Okay, here's a great story, try to make it really short. We were on horseback in the San Croz Valley, riding horses through We had ridden through this trail we were investigating. I was filming, and everything's normal, the airs just as fresh as it could be. And then we're coming back on the same trail we'd already gone down, and now it stinks all Mike, we're just being blasted and we're trying to ride a horse hold in your shirt pasture nos.

That's a whole other level of totality of circumstances.

So you just have to wonder. You have to go. Yeah, but that smell was so bad, I named it doesn't caught on yet. But I call it putris scene because that is a chemical that rotting corpse is given off. It's caused by bacteria that produced this sulfur like stinky. It's the smell of rotting flesh. And the actual chemical name is putres scene. So I like to call the

It would make sense to get people to leave the area.

I don't know how they could stand themselves, but.

Almost like a skunk, yeah exactly, Yeah they spread it or who knows, nothing wants to be around it.

But don't you think that'll be Okay, Let's say there was a big foot on the table and only I add it to in my garage. Let's just pretend Brian and I call you up and I go, I got a bigfoot on my table. What questions do you ask me? Quickly?

Can I get a flight to Minnesota?

That would be well, okay, I get that, but what are you going to ask? So you get ten questions. What are you going to ask me? It's just laying there. I can do whatever I want to it. Let's say it's tranquilized, okay, would he ask me?

Yeah? I think the first thing I would say is have you taken fingerprints? Because that's the whole thing I've been doing recently. I'm actually going to put out an episode of Sasquatch out to sy here in the next couple of weeks about the dermal ridges and some of those casts from back in the eighties with Paul Freeman, because I'm not so convinced about the dermal ridge thing. That's a whole another conversation for another day, but that would be the first.

Really. Yeah, but we all have friction ridges on our hands, our feet. We couldn't function without it. What's your take on it? Yeah, we want to hear it. Why do you think that something couldn't transfer those?

I think it's possible to transfer them. I've read and seen other things about those dermal ridges possibly being some sort of effect from oh, a plaster exactly. I'm middle of the road on that. Darryl Collier wrote an amazing article back in I think it was two thousand and seven that I read just recently goes in depth. He really is very convincing. When it comes to the dermal ridges.

But here's the question. In order to get a dormal ridges and a cast, you have to first transfer that information into the soil. So you're gonna need a very fine volcanic ash. That's not gonna happen in sand. Friction ridges are too fine to ever be transferred into sand, So it could happen with black dirt, maybe in mud, but I just don't think dirt of any kind is going to be really good at transferring that type of detail. But I've got a cast that definitely I think has

I want to address something Digger Dog said about yeah, six or seven minutes ago. He's talking about apes can't swim and they retain their stink all the time. Apes actually can swim. Digger you listen to Sasquatch out to say, we had an primatologist on a while bine and we answered that question. They actually can't. Most apes don't get into deep water and actually swim because they don't like dark water because of the possibility of crocodiles and other predators.

I know you've heard them as well. Doug, Well, look at people. Some people have very pronounced canines, some people don't have any. That doesn't mean much. Look at the differences in people's mouths.

Do you think it's regional?

Do you think they're different subspecies?

I think subspecies. I think that's a bridge too far from me for these things, because again, it would indicate that there's multiple species of these undiscovered hominids or hominoids. It just doesn't make sense to me. I think it could be a regional adaptation certainly, but how long does it take for those to happen? Over the course of these things evolving.

We look at how different even just people are.

But by and large, here's the thing. There are people with more pronounced canines, but people there are don't typically look like vampire Stracula.

We don't have Dracula.

Walking around bram Stoker's Dracula, the Interview of the Vampire Draculas, whatever Dracula you're thinking of. By and large, people's teeth are very similar. If they're mains, whatever the case may be, they're blockier, they're human type teeth. So it's just fascinating to me that some people say this thing bared its teeth or growd and showed its teeth. They were very ominous. I think that goes back to typically humans and eyewitnesses

So and he was only like nine feet.

Alex is going to be booking a kid that's got the biggest feet. They're like twenty four inches long. Wow, and he's like almost eight He's like just crazy and he doesn't have any of those pituitary issues apparently. Really he's just naturally this big. I mean, Alex is working on getting them on our show. Super neat kid, super smart. So there are cases of big people that are pretty athletic. Good a moose, they have an handler's that go horizontally.

But I think what happens a lot of times and eyewitness testimony when it comes to encounters with bigfoot. I think, just my pain, I could be completely wrong here. I think these things are mostly between six and a half to seven and a half feet tall. I think it's that syndrome where you go into a bar, you maybe have one too many, you say something smart to the guy next to you, you beat your ass, and you go and tell your friends the next day, they're like, man, how'd you get that black eye?

Man?

I got into it with the guy at the bar.

He was huge.

He was six point seven and three hundred pounds, when in the actuality, the guy who beat you up was five foot seven and weigh one hundred and twenty five pounds. He just happened to have a fourth degree black belt in taekwondo. All the things that went into that butt whooping that you got made you think he was six foot seven and three hundred pounds. It's the same thing

My father in laws like over seven foot. My son in law is about seven foot. Both of them are extremely athletic, like really athletic. Look at Shack. He's a prime example. I don't know. Yeah, Shack is, but he doesn't have any problem. He didn't walk with a keene.

He's enormous, and he was a very athletic, successful basketball player.

Yeah, if you can only imagine somebody had mentioned apes don't swim. I don't think they're apes. They may have ape like qualities. Just because you have hair all over you doesn't mean you're an ape. It really doesn't. If you take any of us and just covered us in hair, we would look pretty ape like, right, It wouldn't look

The hair is the best defense against mosquitoes.

I have really thick hair, and I don't remember ever getting bit in my scalp. Ever, I just don't because they can't get through it all. Somebody said if I put my wig on, I'm like, no, I don't have a wig. They just got thick air. And now mosquito's ever gotten through it either, So hair is a big protector. Oh no, it was one of the questions I did want to ask you. How do you think they deal

We have tons of ticks during the summer here in North Carolina.

You go out, you walk the dog, do you though, Oh yeah, explain it to us, because I'm just not familiar with it. How bad are they?

They're pretty bad in the summer. We have three dogs, and every time I will go out and walk the dogs, we bring them in and we try to brush them and make sure they don't have any ticks on them. I've gone to bed after taking a shower and getting ready for bed at night and you fill something crawling on you and it's a tick. So they're everywhere in the South. But I think the best defense against that is the hair number one. But ticks don't care about hair.

They would groom each other.

I would imagine exactly, very similar to chimps, guerrillas, and other primates that we see known animals. Yeah, I think that's the other question, like internal parasites and eating things and drinking water that may not be the cleanest and dealing with those kind of things. I think it would be very much like indigenous people or people who live off the land. Now you use natural herbs, they would be very familiar with what to eat for them, this

In fact, that was one of the questions I forgot to bring up. I asked Estabon about gland secretions because there was a new scientific paper that says they take it from their pits and they rub it on their bare skin and it helps soften their skin, keep it protected and protects against insects. And I went, ooh, that's a pretty new scientific paper. It's under a year old.

Yeah, it's like the old what was it? Saturday Night Live? Things that make you.

Go See, I was wondering if you know about the big foot of my garage, because to me, I would be like looking at its eyes and I'd be like looking at its ears and trying to really look at physiology in these things.

Yeah, that would be fascinating to me, because I tell you one of the things that has stuck out to me over the years. So many times I've talked to people that have told me about the self luminescent eyes.

Yep.

And I can't get into a whole lot of detail. I won't even wait into the world because I'm under an ndaight and I can't really talk about some of the experiences I've had recently because of the documentary I'm involved in. Okay, I've had experiences that would push me in the direction of being more open to the fact that people are seeing self luminescent eyes. I have a zero explanation for that, because I always thought it was a bunch of hooey, or there was something else going on,

I think it makes perfect sense. Here's why humans are the only mammals that have self illuminating cells in our eyes. We have some leftover in our eyes. We have six in each eye, leftover that produce light. And they've now photographed it. They can see it. They go into these super dark rooms and they put in the act can see the illumination coming off our eyes. So let's go back one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, a million years.

Do it, so can bigfoot. Damn it.

That's one of the things I'm not that puzzled over, actually, only because every time I think, oh, that's really a weird thing. But then you read a scientific report about humans producing light out of their eyes, and I'm like, eh, that makes sense too. Maybe picture us, maybe when we had little LEDs. How handy would that be if we could project a dim light out of her eyes in the dark.

I can tell you it is very freaky to see him. It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen them all life.

I saw it one time, but from Afar. I saw a group of individuals with reddish orange chloeing eyes. You can see them blinking and moving around. I had to actually use my binoculars to witnesses, which was like, WHOA very cool, especially when you see them blink. But did I see a family have bigfoots doing it? I think it was. I don't know what else could have done.

Yeah, well, I would definitely never doubt those stories again ever.

Yeah, and then the orb thing. Have you ever seen orbs on your property?

Brian, No orbs never? No, not here I've experienced orbs. I had this thing with orbs. They tend to follow me. I've got tons of photos with me and just family situations in different places with orbs, that kind of weird thing, but never on the property.

You know, we were at snow and there was no less probably than sixteen scene summer right out the window. One came into the cabin, was seen by one of the guys in the cabin, but everybody saw red orbs but me.

We've had so many strange light things going on here on the property, but never orbs. We have woken up several times in the house here and the entire outside of the woods area and inside of the house would be illuminated with just bright white light. Then it just goes out as quickly as it started white, like a spotlight from almost just a spotlight from above. Yes, just really strange. The first time we ever experienced it was we were in the hot tub. It's probably four years

So how bright would you say? It is?

Right, very bright enough to light up the entire area outside of the house. It's almost like daylight inside the house. It's so bright. We wake up and it just goes out. It's gone. There's no sound, there's nothing. It's the weirdest thing.

I wasn't driving with the event one time we were I saw it. One time we were driving home in a very heavily wooded area, no businesses, no nothing. All of a sudden we saw this big spotlight come from nowhere and light up this tree like daytime. And it lasted a few seconds and then it was gone. WHOA what was that. It's a weird situation.

If you follow me on Instagram bigfoot bks on Instagram, I have posted an aerial topographical map area of the area around my house, you can see what it looks like. And there's nothing so there's no light source. We have no light pollution out here. Our nearest neighbor is almost a mile away. There's no explanation for this light. It's not a helicopter. They're not searching for a missing person over the house. There's none of that. It's just this weird.

Well you'd you're a helicopter.

Yeah, sure, Yeah, I have no idea, man, I have no idea.

I don't know.

If it's something alien, I don't know if it's something paranormal. It's disconcerting. It's a weird thing. What's happening here? Where's this light coming from? Why does it happen? Multiple times? It's probably happened, I'd say over the last three to four years, probably five times. We've had work.

I've talked to you. A friend of mine who had that happen. It really scared him and his wife, but it was bright Green. He live in the woods too, but like Chartrue's type, Green just lit it up and freaked them out really bad. Yeah, it's a scary thing, man. I don't know what to make of it. Huh. You don't think it has anything to do with the other topics you're into, do you think? Yeah? I always wonder what seems Bigfoot researchers do have more experiences like that.

It's something that's come up over and over in conversations over the last couple of years. Somebody asked me recently. I was a guest on another podcast, and they said, do you think if you have some kind of an experience, like a Bigfoot experience or UFO experience or whatever experience in the paranormal realm, are you more likely? Are you marked in a way to have more experiences? My answer

Open to it and being outside.

Now, that doesn't account for the woods lighting up in the middle of the night at three in the morning.

But do you think it's also you're out in the woods where there's not all this light pollution, that you're gonna notice UFOs, you know, because you actually see them.

Oh yeah, I've seen quite a few. You Just sitting out on my deck at night looking up, we see some weird things flying over. I think it makes it easier for you to see that, obviously, than if you're in the middle of New York. It's going to be more difficult to cry.

Did you ever think, Brian, that your presence is being broadcast out into space? Literally? Think about it? Could Have you ever thought about that your public and your imagine your voice is being broadcast out through satellites and oft into forever it knows.

I had a lady on the show about about two and a half years ago, maybe two years ago. She was very much into the UFO thing. It was a very odd interview. She had a lot of weird experiences. She claimed to communicate with quite a few alien beings from other galaxies. After the interview ended, we talked like you normally do with your guest. I was a great interview. Thanks so much for coming on. And she was like,

Man.

She was like, you may get some downloads, you might get a headache here and there, and those kind of things. And yeah, I'm still waiting on the downloads. I don't know that I've been getting them. Maybe the lights are coming to give me the downloa, I don't know.

Don't you agree? Our earth that we live on is so magical and so mysterious and just complicated, and yet it's all this amazing harmony too.

Yeah, it's a fascinating place. People are fascinating, Their experiences are fascinating. That's why I'm open to everything, man. I love to talk to people about all their experiences. I don't just keep it to the flesh and blood camp when it comes to Bigfoot, I love to hear again. Durin's episode's going to air on Friday on Sasquatch Odyssey. She thinks Bigfoot's coming into her house when she's sleeping

We were talking earlier before we brought you on about plants that can mimic a fake plant. You put a fake plant next to you a real plant, and it'll try to mimic it. Think about a forest, the intelligence it must be in a forest, and you're forty acres that you own. Do you ever feel like you're amongst other intelligence when you walk through the forest. What does a forest judio? And why did you buy that forty acres?

I wholeheartedly bought this forty acres hoping that there might be some kind of Bigfoot activity on. We always wanted to live in the woods. We wanted to be as self sufficient as possible. We lived off grid for a year and a half on our property. I've talked about that on other shows in the past. That's an entire show. But when you get that close to nature and you remove yourself from all of the other things that normal people deal with every day, electronics, electricity. We had solar,

The term forest bathing, I'm sure have you heard that term. They've done studies now they find it has huge health benefits being in the woods, even for a few minutes a day.

Yeah, it's like grinding. I mean, I very much believe in grounding walking around barefoot. Danny does that a lot on the property. I'm not at that point. I can't walk barefoot through the woods. I try to do some of that stuff. But I think it's very important to connect with nature. I think it connects you and grounds you literally with your surroundings. There's definitely something to be said about it.

Yeah, Oh, you got to do if you want to prove it to yourself. Take a wire. Run it from your ground wire, run it in and hook it to some flowers you buy at the store that are cut like cut roses. Put the ground wire in there, and then do another vase without the ground wire. The plants with a ground wire will survive like four or five times longer. A lot of people are putting ground wires to their bed.

I've seen a lot of that recently on social media, people making those posts about being grounded at night.

I could easily believe that the earth is got to have so much energy. Just because you don't feel it instantly when you touch it, you're not getting jolded, doesn't mean there's not energy there. I have a feeling that the discoveries are just gonna keep coming in to get weirder and weirder sounding. But no, I think that's an important thing.

I went over a couple of months ago and spoke at a conference over in the United Kingdom. We spent about five days in London before we went out to the country area. We were out in Somerset Bridgewater area for the conference, and I felt it there. That was the longest time in the last five or six years that I've spent in a city around that many people. London is packed with tourists, especially during the summer, there's hundreds of thousands of people. You're crammed packed with people.

Okay, let's shift before we go home. We've got a few more few minutes here. But I wanted to hear about your book. Why you decided to write a book. I know a lot of it has to do with your property. Both suddenly made you go, ahnd when I write a book, what was the motivation?

Yeah, I have thought about writing a book for so many reasons in the past. Most of it has been the journey that I've had through Bigfoot. But I really wanted to write the book because I felt it was important at this time, because I wanted to do something that did two things. I wanted somebody that was just getting into the subject to be able to pick up the book and go, Okay, here's a little bit of everything to do with the Bigfoot phenomenon. Because there's so

I wanted to.

Talk about where the bodies are. That's some of the things that people like me, I'm skeptical. I've always been skeptical. Skeptics always go to where are the bodies? Why don't we have a body? I talk about that in the book. I write an entire chapter about that. I wanted to dig into my background as a police officer, in my experience in law enforcement and kind of tie that into the research because that's an important part of how I

You have also personal recordings and video and audio in here.

Yes, the IBT, the interactive book technology that you guys have incorporated at Hanger One is amazing. There's hours of video from my time here on the property Radium, BC, Canada, some of the most beautiful places I've ever been doing research. You get to be on the trail with us while we're doing that at some phenomenal stuff that you can't get anyone else.

Now, I'll love your cover.

Whoever did it is incredible art.

Who in the hell did that? Alex?

Do you have any idea that book cover? We kind of say it, but thank you all jokes aside. I have said this so many times on my show, and I've said it so many times privately to you guys, but I want to take a second and just say it publicly. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after the East messages. You guys are the reason that this book happened. If it had not been for you guys and the amazing job that

But Alex and.

Doug and Blaine, you guys do a phenomenal job with everything.

We've had a very symbiotic relationship, which has been cool. Been great working with you.

Brian.

It's just weird when you're here on our show. It just feels like we could just bullshit all night, man, all night. We need to bullshit more. We used to do a lot more of that back when we first started talking and years ago. Oh, we need to get back to some of that just calling and just shoot the crap. I definitely agree. I really enjoy Yeah, you've always got so many cool stories. What is your best

I think every single one in their own way is very much like that. But there's one that always comes back to me is Dan who was hunting moose or elk and this happened?

Probably? Okay, stop? Do you have an episode number that people can listen to it after?

I'm gonna have to google it while I'm talking.

Tell you what? Can you send it to Alex tomorrow? We'll put it in the show in tomorrow. I definitely will yeah, I check out this episode.

Yes, but in a nutshell, Basically, Dan and his dad were out on a fourteen day moose or el khunt. I think they might have had tags for both. Long story short, he's out in the woods. His dad goes to a different area. He goes to another area and he's hunting and he hears wood knocks and he was very interested in the wood KNOCKX Right, that's a weird thing. He's never heard that before in the woods. So he

The entire story all the way through. So he does that on my show.

So he's very detailed, but long story short, he ends up coming twenty feet or so away from this huge sasquatch that steps out from behind this tree. He gets away, he backs out. He's got a high powered rifle. This guy could have took a shot at this thing, but he chose not to because he said, there's no way that I could have affected this thing with my rifle. That would have taken down a moose.

Mind you.

He goes back. He didn't tell his dad, and he allowed his dad to go out. For the next eleven days. He would sit in his truck every single day and let his dad go out by himself in the woods. It really aided him to the point where he abused alcohol. He went down a very dark path and it took a lot of counseling for him to get on the other side of this. The thing that stuck out to me the most about that is he said to me,

It really aided.

Him that a he thought he was being lured in, and then the fact that he didn't tell his dad because he was afraid he was going to ridicule him. He felt like he had sent his dad into harm's way because this thing was still out there, and it really aided him.

That's really stuck.

With me over the last I think that was about a year ago when that episode came out.

What I do with your show, Brian is I wait a little while till there's maybe five or six episodes, then I binge amine, there you go. That's a good way to do it. I love that because it seems for me when I hear him back to back, it's almost like I want to be convinced all the time that they're real, even though I know they are. I've seen him, I haven't seen the face yet. I haven't had of that frontal stare at each other. That has not happened. I think until that moment happens, still keep

I think healthy skepticism, even if your own experiences, is important. I've always been very open and transparent about that on the show. I think that's one of the things that has resonated with my listeners for so many years is the fact that I don't drink the Bigfoot kool aid.

I'm not all about it.

I do question things when it doesn't make sense, and I'm very respectful to the people that come on my show. Anybody who listens to the show knows that it's all about the people that come on. It's all about the experiences. I never mistreat anybody. Everybody's experience is unique, and everybody's experience is their own. I think they all deserve to be told.

That's what Sasquatch Odyssey is all about. Very cool. If you don't listen to his show, you should. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. Thank you Brian for coming on and running over, and thanks Alex for all you do. Here's some kind of wisdom for Bigfoot witnesses. It might be foolish to reject not what you think, and it might be wiser to reject what you think and not what you have seen. Wise words, my friend wild. Bottom line is you gotta believe your own eyes. You really do thanks,

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