SO EP: 509 The Bigfoot Dogman War!

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member there and help support the show. I got to sit down and talk to DuRane from Illinois, and she has had quite a few experiences with bigfoot that would definitely be in the high Strangeness camp. She and I get into quite the discussion about whether these things are flesh and blood or whether there's more to them. Dane definitely thinks there's more to them. We get into all of that stuff. She did send me quite a few photographs.

If you want to see those photos, make sure you head over to Paranormalworldproductions dot com check out the Sasquatch Ota See blog at the top of the page, and you can see all the photographs that DuRane and I are talking about during this episode, including folks some footprints that she claims are made by Sasquatch in her carpet inside her home. This is definitely one that you don't want to miss, so you know what that means. All that's left for you to do is sit back, relax,

and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show. It is DuRaine from Illinois. Welcome to the show.

fascinating to me. So I watched a lot of those shows with her, a lot of the early ones like in Search of You remember in Search of the Bigfoot episode I'll say was probably in the early seventies when I actually saw the first film of Patty walking down Bluff Creek. We were both pretty fascinated by that. I think I was hooked when I saw that because people thought it wasn't real, and something inside of me knew

that it was real. There are reasons for that because of my childhood and things that happened to me and my childhood that made me think that was real when I saw it. I guess those were the first experiences that really got me interested. But I had some strange things happen to me also that kind of connect to what's going on with me now in my situation here in my home.

looks like a bush. Okay. I just kept looking at it, and I thought, there's something about that. Anyway, she basically ignored me, and I got the idea that I wasn't supposed to talk about things like that, so I just didn't talk about it anymore. I grew up in a river town in central Illinois. It was a very forested area along the river. I used to try to escape from school and the stresses of everything I didn't really

fit in. Escaped to the forest around the area. Always felt like there was something there, There was something watching me all the time. Couldn't really shake that feeling. It was fascinating to me, so I always went back there. I was never afraid of it. I just always wanted

to be there. I thought that was interesting. Everybody else thought I was crazy of course, because I wanted to spend so much time out there, but I spent a lot of time alone, and I was out there and I really felt like I was basically surrounded by something, but I didn't really understand what. I didn't make the connections at that time. And I can remember having a dream one night that there were eights in my yard. I was talking to them. They understood me, and I

understood them. We were having a conversation. And it was just little things that I didn't think that much about then but now I think about now are pretty profound. I used to get out of bed at night when I was little, and my dad would say, don't get out of bed, or the boogeyman will get you. The picture I had in my head that the boogeyman was Bigfoot, clear as anything like. I was four years old and I had this picture in my mind of Bigfoot before I had ever seen one that looked exactly like it

when I think about it now. When he said that, I had a picture that came really clear into my head about what that was, and it was scary. But I didn't stay in bed, of course, just little things that I think about now for my childhood. I realized there was some connection for me, and I think a lot of people have this connection and they don't understand what it is. But that's what I'm going to talk about here. I think basically a lot of years went

by and I didn't think about them too much. But I found out later that they'd been with me that whole time. I found out later that they'd been with me since I was nine years old. I started official Bigfoot research about twenty eleven. I started working with a research team out of Kentucky. I started working with them. I was mostly writing articles about the subject, my thoughts out there about what they might be, why they might

be different, or why we haven't found them yet. At that point in time, I didn't really have any frame of reference. I just had a lot of thoughts go through my head about why the situation with them is what it is. I wrote articles that have turned out to be true in some respects and that's been ten years ago, but it just all evolved. I was at that time trying to be logical about it, trying to be scientific about it, because at that point in time, we were trying to prove they exist. Now a lot

of us aren't worried about proving the exist. We know they exist. I was basically going out into the woods like I always had. I was taking pictures and looking for footprints and finding a lot of things, structures, footprints, things like that that never saw a thing, of course, Or you're snapping pictures everywhere and you think you might have saw something. You aim the camera in the direction you heard something, and you snap a picture and later

on it's blurry. I'm a wildlife photographer, so I don't generally take blurry pictures. The pictures turn out blurry. Nonetheless, I'm out there. I know there's something out there because I have the same feeling that I had when I was a kid that there's something watching me. And started talking to them because I knew they were there. I mean, there was just part of me that just knew they were there, and I knew they were pretty close to me.

So I started talking to them. I sometimes took them some food, but mostly I just talked to them and I just sat there with them for a while. I did that for quite a while. They finally started leaving me little gifts. They leave me glyphs, rock stacks, feathers in strange places.

to understand what they were telling me. After a time when they had been leaving me gifts and trying to connect with me, I was trying to communicate with them, or I thought I would really like to communicate with them, so I'd go out and sit in the woods and see if I could hear something. Of course, nothing happened because I wasn't really very good at tellethy at that time. That's what mind speak is, it's telepathy. I kept trying,

kept listening as this was all going on. They were bringing me gifts, they were trying to connect with me. I knew that I needed to communicate somehow, but I didn't know what to do. In the meantime, something started happening. Their structures that they had built in this area that I'm talking about got destroyed. Something was building what looked like a fence all along the lake. It looked like a long barrier that went. It wasn't at the lake. It was up the hill from the lake, next to

the road. But something was building barriers all the way down this road. The structures that the Bigfoot had built were being destroyed systematically. When I went back to those woods, the woods were being torn apart. It looked like there had been a war there. I kept going back there, even though common sense told me that something bad was going on there. I was concerned about my Bigfoot family that was out there. I was trying to communicate with them.

I was trying to find a way to communicate with them. One day, I actually turned on the radio. I asked them if they could hear me. I asked them if they could tell me if they're okay. I turned on the radio and I heard on a frequency, can you hear me? Now? We are hurting? That's what it said. Anybody can do this. You can actually ask the universe a question. Turn on the radio. The first thing you

hear is your answer. Because it's a frequency. There is definitely something too that I have to be careful because some bad things can occupy that frequency, they can break into it. This is when I started to understand that a lot of what I was experiencing was about frequency and vibration. I had known that on some level. I'd written some articles about that, but it starting to become

clear that everything was about frequency and vibration. I started to realize that once I could learn about that stuff, I might be able to understand them better. They were hurting, they were having a war in that area. I didn't realize at the time how dangerous it was for me to be there. One Saturday morning, when I went there, I had the windows open on my truck and I was looking around at what had happened. I had a really intense feeling that something bad had gone down. The

night before. I got to a certain area of the road, I could smell this smell like skunk, wet dog, sulfur kind of smell, really bad combination. That smell lingered there for several weeks. Actually, it was strange, but I knew something had happened, and I kept driving down that road, knowing I shouldn't be there. There was a branch thrown across the road. It didn't look like it fell off of any of the trees, because I looked it had fallen right across the road in such a way that

there was no way I could drive through. It was a big enough branch, and it was right in the right place I could not drive through. I got out of the truck thinking that I was going to move this branch, and then I got this creepy feeling, really creepy, like you can't even imagine how creepy. I looked around, and as always, I snapped pictures of everything in the area. I got back in the truck and I turned around and I left because I thought I need to get

the hell out of here. I got out of there, but I was really concerned about the family that I'd connect with out there. I was convinced it was a whole family. I thought the female was the one that was trying to connect with me, which turned out to be true. I got out of there, and I was very concerned about it for a long time. I went home and I didn't go back out there for several weeks. My city park that I usually take walks in. Three four weeks later, I started finding feathers there that they

had stuck in the ground. I started finding glyphs. There was a teepee structure sitting out in the middle of a grassy area that I knew people had not built it. You can say they did, but I just knew on some level that they did not. I found branches that were broken off. Now to place. This park has a big wooded area in the middle of it, so it's a forest in the middle of the park. I started finding all these clues. Every time I would take a walk, they would leave me a feather or some little glyph

for me to find. I got the idea that this family had moved into town.

they left it to me as a gift. Had a really strange, what I would call mystical experience while I was in there, because I could just feel them really close to me, almost like they were trying to make me understand that they were right there, but they weren't going to show themselves to me. I thought that was okay, because I thought if I saw them, I would freak

out for sure, because they're pretty big. They were all around me, and they were living in this park, and I thought that they had left that area out in the country by the lake in order to save themselves from all it was going on, whatever it was out there. They'd moved into town to get away from that because they had a family and all that stuff. Turns out there was a lot more to it. My relationship with them continued in that park for a couple of years.

I actually took them food and things like that because I was concerned about them, but never did see anything at all. Up to that point. I knew they were there. I saw other things. This park in the middle of the city had deer suddenly occupying it. They had suddenly walked in from the country, and I thought people had told me about shape shifters, and of course I didn't

believe any of that. I would have deer walk up to me on the trail in the middle of that park and just stare at me for a long time like they were trying to say something. Or I had a hawk come and sit on a branch very close to me, just above the trail. Just little things like that. What I was starting to have happened was a spiritual experience. For a lack of a better way to put it, it was like all the Native American stories seemed to be coming true for me because it was actually a

spiritual experience. It was very mystical, It was very ethereal. It was like I walked into another dimension whenever I walked into those woods. I went into this trying to be logical about it and trying to get some real evidence, get some good pictures, get anything I could to prove it to other people. What was happening to me was the opposite. I was having a metaphysical experience. I was

really not caring whether or not I proved anything. If I told people about this, most of them wouldn't believe it unless they'd had a similar experience, But a lot of things happened to me in those woods in the park. They spoke to me. They talked to me, you know what they call samurai chatter. I heard that as I was leaving the woods, after I'd left food for them, so I don't know. Maybe it was a thank you, but it sounded Billy, Bob Thornton and sling Blade the voice.

That's what the voice sounded like. Just amazing things were happening. I kept taking pictures, of course, not seeing anything in any of the pictures, but I didn't know how to see them yet. That would come later. Before I could see them, I was having this really rich metaphysical experience of them. I knew they were real. I didn't know what to do with that. I didn't know what to do about it. There was nobody I could tell about it.

A few people were starting to get it, so it was getting a little bit easier to talk to some people about it. That was my experience, as far as just learning they were there and learning that they were real, starting to understand why we never find them because we're not going to find them unless they want to be found. This all led to me learning mind speak, starting to learn to communicate with them. Now, after this incident in the park was going on for a while, I started

finding things in my yard. Now, people had told me that they'll follow you home. This was the belief. I'm not entirely sure that's true anymore, but people would tell me that they will follow you home. You'll find evidence in your yard or somewhere around your house that they've been there, or you'll actually see them. Those things were starting to happen to me. I was finding glyphs around my house. I find glyphs on my patio and out in my front yard on the street front of my house,

little gifts. I have a creek that runs through it in my area here, there's like a wooded strip of woods that runs along a creek here close to my house. I started taking walks through there, and I found all kinds of footprints, glypts, all kinds of evidence. Except I never saw them at all. I thought they're around my house and they followed me home. I thought this whole time, I was thinking that it was this one family that I had connected with. I thought they were following me.

I thought it was their footprints and their evidence that I was finding still hadn't seen them. I was okay with that. I wasn't sure if I really wanted to see them. I wasn't sure what it would do to me. I was starting to soften on that idea a little bit. I would take a walk every night thinking that I was going to visit them. I was, but I didn't realize there were hundreds of them just in my neighborhood.

Getting back to the war that happened out by the lake, there was something pretty sinister that had showed up that was chasing them out. I found information about that later from a friend who knows about that stuff. The dog men had moved into that area, and they are the ones that built the barriers. Eventually, the dog men built barriers and things around my neighborhood. Even now, I have dog men here also. Now I did not at first, but I do now. I'm told that they are the soldiers.

They are the ones who fight the wars. They are the ones that actually cleared out the riff raff, whatever negative entities were hanging around out by the lake where I originally found this family. I have a very interesting mix of beings around here. Now they also come into the house I've had bigfoot footprints in my carpet. I have carpets that's old needs to be replaced, but I am reluctant to replace it because I have so many footprints in my house that it's destroying my carpet. I

have pictures of the footprints. Life has gotten really strange. There are a lot of reasons for what happened. I understand why it's happening now, but it's taken me a long time to come to terms with how this is all playing out and why it's playing out this way. It's something that I have had trouble with talking about because it is so weird. I feel like everybody is softening up a little bit on the idea of it

a little bit. But people freak out when you say you've got big foot walking around in your house at night. If people believe you, it freaks them out a little bit because they can just walk in here, and if they can walk in here, they can walk in anywhere they want. But there's a reason why they do it. The story goes on and on. So how far do you want to go?

lot of paradulity out there. There's a lot of people posting what I believe to be pictures of sticks, leaves, and trees. It's either the red circle squatch or there's nothing there just saying okay, here's a picture of the sasquatch that I saw yesterday while I was out doing my research. And I can't see what they see. We've done our shows about this, Wayne, my co hooked over on that Bigfoot podcast. We've done entire shows about this. Because what I'll see is exactly what you said, I

wrote it down verbatim. Is learning how to see them. It's clearly a thing that I'm not getting. Let's start there. If you wouldn't mind explaining what that means to me and everybody listening. Is that why we're seeing because there's a lot of us out here. I'm a very skeptical person. I've had experiences that I believe to be sasquatch related. I believe I interacted with sasquatch a couple of times

on my trip up to Radium last October. I'm not saying I don't believe that exists, but I've never seen one. I've never had a definitive, defining moment where I can say I am definitely one hundred percent of nowhere because I've seen these things. When we see these photos in these groups that people put out and they're adamant that there's a sasquatch right there and nobody can see it but them and maybe five other people in the group,

is that similar to what you're talking about. If you explain that process, maybe it'll help me and other people listening to understand what that means learning how to see them.

It's not just seeing something, it's feeling. Most of the people that I know personally that have these kind of experiences are impaths. They can feel every frickin' thing. They can feel way too much. They pick up on other

people's emotions, They pick up on everything. It's a curse to them because they think there's a lot of this negative stuff that they don't want, But there is a feeling experience behind it, and a lot of people who are skeptical can't really wrap their mind around that, or they don't like that because feelings we think are invalid.

We think that feelings are a nuisance, but feelings are actually once you start to understand reality and how it really works, feelings are the only thing that's really real. What you're seeing out in the room around you is not really real. Only thing that's real is inside of you. What's inside of you is projecting outwardly. So that's a big conversation, a big quantum conversation, but basically, there is a whole experience behind the picture. Now that doesn't help

you so much. I'm going to tell you what Sirah, the Bigfoot that I speak to on a fairly regular basis, what she told me about this. She said that people who are seeing them are having an experience of third eye opening. Now, I don't know if you're familiar with that or if you even believe in that, but it is a real thing. You do have a penial gland inside your head. You do have a third eye. The third eye is responsible for your perspectives and your perceptions,

broadening perceptions. What's happening on the planet right now is we are entering into fifth dimensional timelines. We're not there yet, but the whole planet is having an experience too. We're entering into fifth dimensional timelines and this is causing third eyes to open. People are going to become inter dimensional over time. I've had this experience where I've seen into the fifth dimension, gone back and forth at times. This

is a real thing. A lot of people are not going to want to believe it, but this is really happening. We are coming into a place in the galaxy where the vibration is higher than we've been used to. We've been in these low third dimensional type of experience on Earth where it's dark, dense, heavy, sad, miserable kind of existence. Third dimension is very heavy. Our solar system and our planet have moved into a different part of the galaxy

where the energy is lighter. You are seeing all kinds of things being exposed around the world, All kinds of people are getting caught doing terrible things. This is because we're in a different dimension now, we're actually in the fourth dimension trying to move into the fifth dimension. That has a lot to do with it that is causing third eye opening. Now, would you like me to tell

you what Siah told me about all of this. What she has told me is that the Sasquatch, and she means the people that's what they call themselves, have been coming forward and trying to show themselves to people. This is why people are finding glyphs and footprints. The whole paranormal experience is ramping up. She says. They are actually trying to help people open their third eye, meaning change their perspectives, open up their minds. There are Sasquatch who

are actually participating and helping us do this. They don't bother with anyone who can't see them. They understand that many people will not ever be able to see them or perceive them, I guess I should say, but they understand that some people are capable of understanding them. What I mean is perceiving them, knowing they're there. The impast who really hate their existence as far as feeling everybody's feelings are the ones who are actually psychics and training.

Really they perceive things more so they're more capable of having this experience. Now when they take a picture, it's really easy to get caught up in the idea that, oh, there's one, and there's one and there's one. Now. If I post a picture in a Facebook group or something, I usually look at that picture for a long time and decide is that something that's significant or is that just something that I know they're there, but I can't see them and nobody else is going to see them either.

friend help me learn how to see them. It's there, just keep looking. I would keep looking at the picture day after day. Other people would show me things too. I'll tell you about Sierra's picture here in a minute. Finally I started to learn how to see them. It took a lot of doing because other people would be looking at this picture and they'd see it. I'd be like, I don't see anything. I do not see it, there's

nothing there. In a case with Sira, when I was out at the lake, she was the one who threw the branch across the road. This is what I found out later. She threw the branch across the road because it was extremely dangerous for me to go any further into that park area out there. She stopped me when I was stopped there and I got out and took the pictures. Basically, I posted the picture of the branch across the road on Facebook, telling the story of the

morning that i'd had. One of my friends came on and said, can you see it? It's right there. I'm like, can I see what he said? There's a bigfoot right there, and it's big. It took me several years before I could see her in that picture. Now it's completely obvious to me, but it took me two years of looking at that picture, pulling that picture out every once in a while, thinking I'm supposed to see something and I

don't see it. All of the sudden, it came just out of the blue one day, I'm like, oh crap, there it is. Really, it's a matter of doing what logical people don't want to do, which is to believe in something before they see it. If you understand how reality works, really, you don't see anything unless you believe in it. Nothing comes into your experience unless you believe in it. Believe in it on some level, you project

from inside out the experience that you're gonna have. She appeared when I finally gave up trying to see her Basically, I gave up the idea that I was supposed to see something that looked like an ape in the picture. I had already given up on the idea that I was going to see a clear picture like Patty. I'd given up on that, and it was I think a process of me deciding that it wasn't the way I wanted it to be. You look at that picture, you want it to look like something that you think it

should look like. I hope I'm making sense. Once you let that idea fall away, that's when you'll start having an experience. Once you hate to say this, I have said it to other people, and people get mad at me for saying this. Logic, You've got to throw it away. It's only when you throw away the logic that you'll start to have the real experience that they will actually

show you more than you ever imagined. But you've got to get over the idea that you need to see them like you would see anything else, another person or an animal. That's not what you're going to see. You're going to see a metaphysical being if you see them at all, if you're emplastic at all, you're going to feel them before you see them. Am I making myself clear? Am I making sense?

an interview with M. K. Davis and Todd Gatewood. We've got another one coming up hopefully here in another couple of weeks, where we're examining the images that they've put out of Patty, where they've worked on these Some people are claiming it's AI, some people are claiming it's upscaling. It's a whole thing in the community. Right We're gonna try to hopefully dig down and get to the bottom of that, because that's what we do here at Sasquatch Hot.

In the meantime, let's talk about Patty. Because here's the thing for me, I am if I had to pick a camp, and I don't even like saying that anymore, but you'll almost have to come down on one side of this or the other in certain ways to keep your sanities. I believe if these things exist, they are flesh and blood. That's just where I come from having conversations like this with people like you. You're calling them a

metaphysical being. Let's talk a little bit about some of those experiences that other people are having, like Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin. If that is not Bob Hieronymous in a suit, and it is in fact a Sasquatch walking across that sandbar, that is a very physical being. The anatomy has been broken down. Doctor Jeff Meldrim's talked about the footprints that were found that day, asked the anatomy of the muscles, the musculature that people can see. That

is a very physical thing. I know you weren't there, it wasn't your film, But let's talk a little bit about that. Given the experiences you've had and the things that you're saying that you have gathered from SIRA and maybe others that you've spoken to, where does Patty fit into this? Because if they're all the same or are they different, is Patty a different scenario? Is Patty a real sasquatch? The whole nine yards here, because that's a

very physical thing. It's very difficult for people like me who believe that's a real Sasquatch to apply any of the things that you're talking about present day right now to Patty in particular. Patty has caused a lot of problems in Bigfoot for many reasons, for many years. I think that's one of the problems that people may have that may be even open to having some of the experiences or changing their perspective a little bit to possibly look at the angle that you're seeing it from. If

we just talk specifically about Pattia. I know that was very long winded, ask a question. Can you apply maybe your logic and what you've learned to Patty and talk a little bit about that. It may help people like me understand a little bit better where you're coming from.

are all able to cloak. Now we will probably never know. All I know is what Sira and the clan here told me about that. I think it's pretty significant to tell you about this. They said that you've heard of the Great Awakening, right, you realize that the planet is undergoing an awakening process, right.

term for a time period in history. Okay. We're entering into the Age of Aquarius, which is what I'm saying. We are entering into a higher vibrational place in the galaxy. This is very important to understand. She said that Patty showed herself in that way because no one would have ever believed in anything else. She had to show herself that way. What I've also been told is if somebody sees a flesh and blood bigfoot, it's because they needed

to see them that way. It's like they show themselves in the way that you need to see them if you're destined to have that experience. If you read Native Americans, they talk about how if you see a bigfoot, that means that a spiritual awakening is imminent for you. That means that you're about to have an awakening. There's nothing that wakes you up quite like a bigfoot encounter. The physical being and the metaphysical being are the same being.

I think they have abilities that other beings do not have. This is what's really hard for people to grasp, is that something could be flesh and blood and also have kind of paranormal aspects to it. I wrote an article a long time ago about the questioning whether or not they evolved this way to avoid us because we've caused them nothing but trouble, historically, killed them, hunted them down. I don't know, but I also have my personal beliefs

that they didn't come from here. Humans didn't come from here. We came from someplace else. If I think about it that way, it doesn't surprise me that they have these abilities. But the physical being and the metaphysical being are the same. They are the same being. I have beings come into my bedroom at night. If they have something stuck to their foot, it'll be left on my floor in the morning. If that's a physical thing. They leave footprints in my carpet,

that's a physical thing. Truly, metaphysical beings would they leave footprints? I don't know. We don't really know. That's the thing. From the experiences that I have had, they are both. They're both. That is what we can't wrap our minds around. We need to at least open up to the idea that there are things that exist around us but we didn't know were there. Maybe lots of different things. Help me out here, what else do I need to talk about.

things touched things. Simact, it's collecting footprint evidence, hairs. A gentleman I talked to just yesterday collected scat from one of these things that he saw eating huckleberries. It's a very physical thing. So let's talk about something that most of the audience can wrap their brain around, which would be when you've physically seen them and or interacted with them. What has that interaction been like? What have you seen as far as a physical description of these things?

turned around and quickly slipped behind the bush. That's about his physical like a flesh and blood physical view I've had of them. It was a clear bigfoot shape. It's not anything I could have gotten a picture of. It was too fast. That has been my experience of it. I've had that experience quite a few times, just out in my yard. They'll just realize I'm pulling out of the garage and they'll slip around the bush or slip around the tree or something. Had that happen quite a bit.

I had one of the younger ones in a bush out front. She was holding a baby. She held the baby over so I could see it. Then she grabbed the baby and she jumped under some bushes and hid. They have this thing about they like to show their babies. They're like the others are just something else. They just I go out there, I'm going to take their picture, and I say, you guys don't need to be in the picture. If you don't want to, all the mothers and babies will stay in the picture. Those are the

kind of pictures you don't like. Those are the kind of pictures you don't like. But it's really hard to make someone understand that there are things that we can never know. We are humans, we have egos. We want to know, We want to have this information. We want to categorize them, we want to put them in a box. What you find when you start having this experience is that they don't fit in any box. What they're teaching them is that the world is a really different place

than what we have thought it was. There's been a lot of stuff hidden from us in this three dimensional world we've been living in. What they're asking us to do is to grasp the idea that we're not going to find what we're looking for, what we've been looking for all these years. We're not going to find that I found them when I stopped looking. When I'm I let my ego go and I stopped looking. But you have to be open to the experience rather than just

seeing them like people saw Patty. Patty came out to show herself to people. Why would the only bigfoot that's ever been seen like that come out and walk a long distance? What was it, a couple minutes worth of film total, where these guys had camera and she just sauntered down the riverbed, not really concerned about what was going on. When bigfoot don't generally do that. Why would she do that? The answer is because from what I was told, that was the day she was supposed to

do that. I've heard that the rest of the clan there was mad at her for doing it, but it was supposed to happen. That's what I've been told. It was the beginning of the frenzy of Bigfoot. It was the beginning for me, It was a beginning for a lot of people. You just knew there was something more to it. It just gave you the idea that there was more to this world than what we've been taught. There are things out there that we don't know about. There are also things that exist in different ways than

we've been taught. There are metaphysical beings that exist. Now, what's one of the first things that starts happening to you? When you open your third eye, your perspectives broaden, so it makes it easier for you to see things that you didn't see before. What is enlightenment. Enlightenment is basically starting to see things, bringing things to light. It is basically allowing yourself to believe that there's more than what we've been taught. I was always one of those kids

people didn't know anything. I was asking grown ups questions about all these kinds of things, and nobody knew anything. I'm like, there's got to be more to it than that. They were given these basic three dimensional answers to everything, trying to be logical about it, and I'm like, logic is not helping this. Some of these things that I experience are not logical, They're not scientific. Wasn't it Tesla that said, if you want to figure out the secrets

of the universe, No, that was Einstein. If you want to know the secrets of the universe, think in terms of frequency and vibration. It was Tesla who said, I'm not quoting here, but Tesla said that if science wants to advance itself, it needs to be looking into non physical things, and it'll make more progress in ten years than it has in all these hundreds of years. The non physical is actually where it's at. I keep saying, the WU is not going to go away, because the

WU is what's real. The WU is actually reality showing itself. It's not going away. It's going to get bigger because people are starting to get I'm making my clear yes.

all these game camps. I know guys who've got ten or twelve game cams out there all the time, never get anything, never get a thing. I'm like, there's got to be more to this. There's got to be more to this that people are missing something.

You have to understand from at least most people listening here. Plenty of people who listen to this are going to write me emails and say, oh my god, she's phenomenal. I want to hear more of her story. I want to hear more about it. Then I'm gonna get those emails that says she is absolutely badshit crazy, Why did you have her on the show. There's a polar to everything. So I'll say this, here's what happens with these situations. Every time I've ever asked anybody, I'll say, just in

your situation, can you send me two photograph? Can you send me one photograph that shows a clear sasquatch? Right, Because if you're interacting with them every day and you're taking the picture every day that has to exist. Oh yeah, I've got forty five pictures I'll send you and I'll open up inbox the next day. It's just like we talked about. It's sticks and trees, leaves or shadows. There's

nothing ever that's definitive. Maybe you can speak to that at least for your own perspective and what you've experienced. I understand maybe these things are metaphysical, but if you were able to see them and they're able to physically manifest, what we see with Patty is not blurry. It depends on which part of the film you look at and the images, whether you're looking at them today, cleaned up,

or whatever the case may be. For you, do you have that smoking gun or have you been able to get close to that smoking gun that although you don't need to prove anything, you're not doing this to prove anything exist to anybody, which I totally understand. But you have to understand the people who want that or would love to see that. Have you even come close to being able to get a picture of one of these things?

Just tell everybody to shut the hell up here it is into story and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.

and they'll eventually finally get it. Now, when they get it, does it prove anything to anybody else?

come from? Did people just make them up out of nowhere, or did they actually see something or have some kind of experience with them back in the day. You start to ask yourself all kinds of questions when you see these beings out there and I'm like, oh my gosh, that looks like a troll or that looks like groot or something like that, is there really something to all that? Did these people historically that have had experiences Okay, you've seen old churches with bigfoot faces and the carvings on

the walls. Did that just I'm out of nowhere?

where a lot of my audience is coming from. When you start to explain an enigma wrapped in a mystery, topped with another enigma and say, there's your explanation, You're just not going to see it. It's very difficult for people to process. It's very hard for me to grasp and understand. It is difficult for people who really are searching for the answers, particularly with these creatures, to accept that as the answer, because they're never going to change their opinions.

than you can ever imagine. You will have the same experience that we all have had. You will not care who believes in them anymore. You won't care about it anymore. But there are some people who are so rooted in logic and science. I say those people don't really believe in the paranormal. They believe that everything can be proven to be something that we should be able to understand logically. But there are some things on this planet that aren't

like that. This is the lesson. There are some things on this planet that we can never fully understand. Bigfoot is one of those things. If you keep looking for them the way you've been looking for them, you'll find all the things you've been finding, like people have been finding for many years, the same physical evidence. That's the only physical evidence you will ever find. If they don't want to be seen, they will not be seen. They're trying to teach us something. They're trying to teach us

that there is more to it than that. They're trying to teach us that there's a different perspective. That's the point. That's what people are not going to like me saying. But we can't prove everything, and we can't know everything in detail, and we can't prove everything scientifically. We have to learn sometimes that we're just not going to know some things. That's really hard for people to accept. Because

we're human. We want to prove everything. It's a big trophy to prove that and get the big money shot and all that. It's not going to happen. I can tell you you're going to find the same evidence you've always found. People are going to have odd experiences like they've always had. If they show up like that, they're trying to speak to you, they're trying to show you. But if you go out and keep doing the same things,

you're going to get the same things. Basically the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different results. Bigfoot research is full of that. Once you accept that you're not going to find those things, and once you just go out and sit with them, they're going to show you some things. They're everywhere. Once you realize that they're everywhere, Once you realize that, that's when you're going to start having the experience I've said.

Not a lot of people are going to like one. Can I say that? And some people will be fascinated by it? This is the old truth of them. You can talk about paradolia all day long, and yes, paradolia is a real thing. But like I said, there's an experience behind the pictures. Most of the people who are showing you those pictures are showing them to you because

there was an experience behind them. It was not physical. Unfortunately, Patty did us a great service in showing us they exist, but she did a great disservice in showing her physical self. And we've been looking ever since and can't find anything like that. Quite a conundrum.