SO EP:501 Bigfoot Tomato Fields

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out here? Did you see what it was? It was enough out here? Look him near the window now and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there? It's thought of a mention about text nine. I don't know easy amount there. Yeah, I'm walking right.

course eventually his book Tomato Field. I've got a link for the book right here in the show notes if you'd like to pick up a copy from Amazon. Today. Tim and I were already mid discussion when I hit the record button, so we just flowed right into this. So it's a little bit different than what you're used to, So sit back, relax, and let's join the conversation already in progress.

I thought, maybe you could attract people to this topic through engaging characters and interesting stories and things that would attract people and maybe, as a result, make it more of a legitimate thing than they might think of it right now. So maybe attract people to the subject matter who are necessarily that interested immediately, so not just the thought I had a number of years ago. Then I found out about my brother's encounter, which I didn't even

know about. We were just watching the TV show. I think it was something related to bigfoot or up well, something along those lines. I asked him, what's the strangest thing you ever saw? I ask a lot of people that, if I know that they're out in rural areas or there in the woods a lot, instead of asking them directly about the Bigfoot, I'll just say, so, what's the

strangest thing that ever happened to you out there? And if they say nothing or they don't mention bigfoot, I leave it alone because I don't want to cast my pearlgy for swine anymore. But I just asked him that, and he starts telling me about a level five encounter with a bigfoot that has every aspect of it. I thought,

I can't believe you never told me this. He was outside his house working on his car, and he lived in rural Mason County, Washington, and right up lots of wooded area, lots of bigfoot activity, at least at one point. It's a lot more building now there, so there's less habitat. But at the time, it was in the nineties. He was working on his tail light and he's he held something funny, and he started looking around, thinking that something had died. He looked up to his left and there

was a big foot standing there. He knows now it was about eight feet tall because he had markings on the light pole that he could identify the highs of those markings. So he went up with the tape maser. He's a contractor, and he went up with his tape measure and checked out how tall it was after the fact. The next day, it saw him and started screaming at him, and they were probably seventy five yards apart. He just freaked out and ran for his house, ran into his

house and closed the door and grabbed his shotgun. Was looking out the window in the window at his door. He figured it was coming his way. He was pretty sure he was the target. He never seen anything like that. It just finished screaming, turned around and walked back into the woods. He never saw it again. He smelled it one more time, and he heard it more time, going

up the hill, cracking branches. He's never seen it since he saw it, he smelled it, he heard it, he ran through it, just about everything that could happen in a big put story. So I thought, I've been toying with this idea. Maybe I could use this as inspiration, use it as an opportunity to actually try to write the book and play with fiction and see what I could do in terms of using it to draw people. So that's what I've been trying to do. It took

me a while because I'd never written a novel. I've always liked to write, I've always been interested in it, but I just have focused mostly on nonfiction, both in reading and limited writing. Didn't really think much about fiction until I started appreciating it more in later years and then realizing that most people learn or most people are motivated more by stories and facts. Some people like facts

and that's enough, but most of us like stories. So I wanted to use storytelling to win people maybe more to this subject. I think it's an important subject and it's broader than maybe most people think it is. I also like to bring that out.

started looking into it more. By then I was a longtime history teacher and administrator, but I started looking at it. The thing that really got me thinking more about it was the massive numbers of oral reports and stories of people in their encounters, and how they all had some of the same experiences, and they were from different cultures and different language groups and ethnic groups, different religious groups, on different continents in different nations, yet they were seeing

roughly the same thing. And I'm thinking, Look, you couldn't get all those people from all those places to agree on anything if you paid them. It just doesn't happen. People just don't agree on stuff unless there's something motivating them. So I said, this is amazing evidence. I just don't think it's as a historian, I don't think it's evidence that's probable to ignore. I think it's almost sticking your head in the sand by pretending that they're nothing to it.

It's too strong of evidence. So I thought, well, I'm going to start studying. I just studied it a lot for a while and read as many reports and documents as I could get my hands on. Then eventually, at first I was the Bfro range, where it was purely an animal, it was flesh and blood. Eventually we just have to find, well it just catch one. Now I've gone not completely the other direction, but I think if it was just an animal, it would be in the

zoo already. We would have already caught it. I think there's a lot more to it. I don't understand it all entirely, but I give more credence to the more immaterial, spiritual type possibilities than I did before. Now I really don't care if they find one or catch one. I almost prefer they leave them alone because I don't think it matters. I think it's part of a bigger picture that until that bigger picture gets resolved, it's going to

remain a mystery. But once that bigger picture gets resolved, everyone that go, oh yeah, it was standing here staring at us all this time, and it'll be after the fact that we just people just get it. But I don't think they need to shoot one or put it in a zooit unless it's trying to kill them.

go down to Florida. The people are having the exact same experience almost and reporting the exact same thing. And I like to see those threads that run through all of the reports. For me, it's a little bit of data in each one of them. It's a little data point that we can look back on I've done it since the first ten episodes of the show. Now I'm almost five hundred episodes into the show. I can look back to some of those people that I talked to three years ago and say, this guy had an experience

in nineteen seventy two out in Idaho. Then I just interviewed a guy from Louisiana three weeks ago, and the experience was almost the same. These people don't know each other now. Of course, in the modern day. I've written about this in my own book recently. The pop culture, the Bigfoot is out there in the zeitgeist for everybody. It's a common word. I think you can go into any place in America right now, any home in America. Say there's two parents, two kids that are pre teens

or teenage years you say what's bigfoot? Every single person in every single household, and that's going to be in their vocabulary. They're going to know what bigfoot is. It may be different to them, but everybody's familiar with it. It is literally a household name. So is it possible that some of these people are telling the stories. It may not be entirely accurate, it may not be exactly how it happened, and they pull little pieces of things.

We've had entire shows about this in the past and talked about how people take a little bit from each story and maybe put it in and embellish, But ultimately I think it is important to document all of those experiences because we learned something from each one of them. Let me ask you this. We're going to get into tomato fields your book. I certainly want to get into the meat and potatoes of that and talk about where

they can find the book and all those things. But let's talk a little bit about some of the stories and some of the things that you've read during your research. Is there any story that somebody has told you or that you've read that has stuck out to you over the years. Maybe a couple of those above and beyond some of the others.

were there, that's a little different. I have a couple of different examples of that. But one was this ranger who said he was out and he was doing his ranger stuff and he had to stay the night. He heard something down by the river, which was just below him. I remember right. It was just over the hill. He had the high ground and he heard it down there, screaming and moving around. He was armed, so he didn't try to do anything, but he got up the next

morning and checked on it and saw the footprints. There was a number of people who said they saw strange things when I was hunting in Idaho. Those always stuck out to me. I have a friend who used to live in Florida, used to work for NAASA. She was driving to work one day she saw one cross the road. The skunkcake with the dark red for across right in front of her and jumped over a fence and went back into the other side. She was really taken back

by that. That had an emotional effect. That's what I look for even when I hear podcasts now, because you're right, there's thousand different stories and everybody's heard something, so you've got to take a little bit with a grain of salt. Today, when people tell you things, I look for a real emotional impact, that they're really fear, that there's either some fear or some excitement, or something that shows me that they're engaging with their emotions. Now they're just not telling

me a story. It's hard for the common person to have enough acting ability to pull that off. Most of us aren't actors. Unless you practice doing that, you're not going to be able to engage people emotionally with something like a story unless you actually live through it and then it's real. So I think there's a greater likelihood that it's real if you can get that when you're talking talking to them. That's what I like the best

is talking to people who really had the experience. Then I like hearing the ones about when people interact with them, like they feed them or bring them into their house. I've heard of, you know, where they brought them into their house and gave them cookies and stuff. If that really happened, that's amazing, And I would love to talk to people who really had that experience and communicate in a What is it when they silently communicate to you?

The mind speakers someone through their mind and they just tell a path people get. I think that's fascinating. I can't get enough of that, so I just think it's super interesting. I just never get tired of hearing good stories. But I do realize some of them might be either made up entirely or at least partially made up. So I may have messed up my brother's story by now, I think I got it right, but it was his story. He's experienced that You'd probably have to hear it from

him to know exactly for sure. But I remember his eyes when he was telling me the story.

I've never seen one, certainly had some experiences I can't explain that seemed very flesh and blood But for you, you mentioned that you think there may be more to this story. Let's talk a little bit about that and what got you to that point. Is it just the fact that for some people, it's simply I'm even getting to that point frankly a little bit in my own journey in Bigfoot, is that we haven't found definitive proof. These things should have been proven by science at this point.

If they are just flesh and blood, I think we would be farther down the road in certain cases. But I'm sticking in that flesh and blood camp. But I do hear a lot of stories from people who have a lot of strange experiences, and some people just tell me, if this were a flesh and blood creature, we would have found it decades ago. It would be on a slab, somebody would taken one down, and or it would be

in the zoo somewhere. So what has caused that evolution for you to be moving in that direction of there may be more to the story.

And paranormal means is it's beyond normal. So it doesn't mean that it's I hate the term boup because all that is that hominem attack not dealing with issues. They want to just discount issues and get rid of them by naming them something. Paranormal is better word. Paranormal just means beyond normal. It's something we don't understand yet. Doesn't mean that there's not a good scientific reason for it. It just means right now doesn't make sense to us

based on what we know. And I think there could be that aspect to this. And I also think it's being covered up. I know they have bodies already, I know the government has I'm sorry, I just have seen too much and heard too much. With that much smoke, there's got to be some fire. I'm asking why are they covering it up? What are they covering up and why? And I don't think it's because they're worried about the lumberjacks losing their jobs, They lost a lot of jobs

for a spot at out. There's no reason they wouldn't want to do that for a big Foot. I think that there's other things involved in it. I think it's related to who we are in this universe, contrary to what we want to think we are in this universe, and the impact that knowing what we really are in this universe would have on business interests and political interests

and religious interests. We are a very small part of a massive universe, and we probably have had alien visits here for a long time, if not living here right now with us. I just think that when we understand our place in this world, in this universe a little bit more about what actually is out there and the diversity of lives that exists in our universe, I think

we'll understand the Bigfoot issue and it'll makes sense. And I think it's very likely that there's some extraterrestrial connection there that would explain their ability to do things that they at least are reportedly able to do. And that's moved with speeds that are just unheard of, to jump distances that are just unheard of, to positively mind speak, to disappear, change, become invisible. I'm not saying for sure that stuff has had that has happened. I've certainly never

seen it, but so many people have seen it. It's hard to explain everything away. So I just take with the grain of salt. I don't judge people. Whatever they think, that's fine. They have just as much right to come up with ideas as I do. Nobody knows, so you got to give everybody benefit out and.

just something. I think there's more to it than what we can know just merely as a flesh and blood animal.

something in particular? Maybe it's a couple of things that you've seen over the course of looking into this that has pointed you in that direction that would bring you to that conclusion that the government knows about them and they're covering them up.

I've heard many stories of them being tracked as a group and shot they can't do anything about it. What do they do if they admit that there's these things in the woods that they can do nothing about. But what's that going to do to people? People are going to lose their confidence in government. But I wonder if they're trying to protect their backsides instead of telling people that these things are out there and being honest about it, they just wait till one causes trouble and then they

go and get them rogue. They go after the rogues and then they take them out. I wonder about that. And the story seemed that I heard in the past seem to come from people who knew what they were doing. When you hear enough of them, it makes you wonder. Then, with everything going on with the UFOs, the disclosures, I just think it's so deceptive and dishonest. Just tell us the truth. They're always beaten around the bush, or they say just enough to get people off their back and

then it goes away again for ten years. If you told me that someone landed a spaceship in my backyard and the aliens are in my basement, I would want to see the aliens. Why isn't the media outraged? Why isn't this the number one issue? In spite of all the insanity that we see in our politics, that should still be the number one issue. We're not alone in the universe. There's other creatures that have either traveled here or I've been living here with us for a long time.

That should be the number one issue in our media, in the world. Two weeks of publicity and now it's over. That makes me think it's a cover up by occuscation and ridicule. They've done that a long time. They've been ridiculing these things and the people who believe these things for a long time, and that's a pretty good way of obfuscating the issue. So anyway, that's how I've come

to that. I have very little trust in the government, and even less now than I did ten years ago, much less, if any if I have any at all, I would have never dreamed that I would ever see some of the things I've seen in the last ten years. I think there's probably something to some kind of cover up. I don't know. If it's more global than national, I don't know. I don't know if it's some countries but

not other countries. I just don't know. I really am in this country, so I see everything from that perspective. I've heard other countries are more open, but I don't know for sure. I've heard Putin's actually seen them from his helicopter and investigated it. But you'd think if he cared about finding one, that they would have found some more evidence. In Russia. They have a lot of forests there, And if.

So I had the ingredients for the recipe, and I thought, let's write a story and see how see if that can make a difference and attract people to the topic. So that was my impetus when Joe told me his story. Then he explained where he thought the bigfoot had come from. It had come from an area he referred to loosely as the tomato fields, which was a sewage dumping plant that they used to just dump the sewage out in

the field. The sewage would then grow into vegetables because of all the steeds in the sewage, there would be huge vegetables and tomatoes and all kinds of plants growing. Now they treat the sewage in a plant same area. They'd treat the sewage in a plant. There's some environmental requirements that don't allow him to just freely dump it. But it's more just grass and low grass at this point,

or a green field. But he loosely called the tomato fields and thought that'd be a good name for a book when I told him I was interested in writing a book, so we just took that name, and then I wrote the story around his house in the seventies. So I went back twenty years and wrote it from the perspective of the seventies so that it could be before all the Bigfoot popular area, when it was still quite a bit of a mystery and people didn't really

understand what was happening. So you could bring out some of that in the tension of the story of the book. So that was the goal. It took me a while to learn how to do fiction, to learn some of the technical aspects, because I know when grammar's bad, but I don't know why. All the time, I don't have all of that knowledge. I'm still learning. There's a lot involved, So learning all the technicalities of grammar and punctuation learning. It's one thing to know them, and it's another thing

to recognize them. Not everybody recognizes them as readily when they read. I've had to learn how to tune myself in that regard become a writer, so that took a while to do that. Then I had to learn what publishing is. There's a lot that goes into publishing. So in addition to writing, I was doing self publishing, editing, I was doing marketing. It was like going to college again,

and you don't get paid for it. It's really a hobby until you can be lucky enough maybe to make it big, but it's not a massive amount of money, so you're really just investing a lot of time and energy and passion and some faith that there's going to be something at the end of this that's going to be valuable. So it took me about ten years start to finish that off, and then I had to go through some things in my personal life, so all of that took that long. Now I'm working on a sequel

and i'll probably finish that this year, at least. The version going to the editor this year. That went much faster. It's taken some time because I'm going to explore some of the paranormal aspects of this thing. I'm going to do it in Texas, down in the big thicket. But once you've done it once, doing it again is faster, you know a little bit better what you're doing. So in that regard, I learned a lot. It's been beneficial

and I've met some great people. I just love meeting podcasters because I've met some really cool pece and both podcasting and the bigfoot community. So that has been very valuable and useful. But it's a lot of work. But I'm also happy that I did it, and I think it was valuable and I think people have liked it, and it has, in a small way, had the impact I wanted to have, and maybe down the road it will turn into more of a larger impact.

And I've had at least one reviewer who's pretty good knows his stuff tell me that I did that. I wanted them to be afraid. I jokingly used the thing don't go into the woods, because remember Joss said don't go in the water, So I said, don't go in the woods in a similar way, inspired by that. But the idea is that an animal shows up and starts causing problems, puts people in danger, and a sheriff in a rural town in Mason County, Washington doesn't know what

to do about it. The whole thing is how a few people in a small town man together and try to fix an issue they never thought they'd ever have, and everything they learn about themselves and this monster. In the process. Also wanted to make it so if you were more on the paranormal side, you could go into the book and read it and not feel like you had to get a dispense with that side. If you were just in the flesh and blood side, you could go in and not feel like you had to dispense

with your beliefs. And I didn't want to take a sight on that. I wanted to make it so it was possible for anybody to engage in the book and feel like their side was as possible as anything else. That was one of the goals. That's probably the easiest way to explain it. I don't want to say exactly how it ended. There was one character that I liked to talk about named Bear, who was a Native American who brought the Native American perspective demonstrated more of a

spiritual understanding of the creature. Then there was others that became nothing about him as society was a monster and wanted to kill him. So it was fun developing those characters. Everybody can relate to at least one of them. Some people will relate to more than one. That's the idea. Then it opens the door for sequels, but I'm not going to give that away. You can clearly see that in the last chapter.

and published it. People love those stories. It's one of those things that it's bringing attention to a subject that, frankly, facts and scientific things just don't do for people. So I think we need a balance out there. So I'm glad to see that there is a balance. I just wrote a nonfiction book that was published a few months ago. Now you've got a great fiction book out there for

people to get. I think you can get something from everybody that has a stake in this, and you put it all together and then you make up your own mind about what you believed. I encourage everybody to go out and pick up their copy of Tomato Fields.

If you like audiobooks better than regular books or electronic books, then it is available on Amazon. You can just plug my name in Tim Moon Tomato Fields. It comes right up. It's available in paperback ebook, soon to be audiobook. I'm about to go wider and publishing. That means you're opening it up to other distribution formats, and I'm changing the

cover to be a little bit more engaging. That should be done in a couple of weeks, and then it'll be out on Barnes and Noble, and it'll be on a number of different publishers and that will hopefully create a little more interest too. But right now it's easy to get on Amazon.