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Thanks so much for joining me for the show. I got to sit down and talk to Michael Abe and Connor from the Minnesota Bigfoot Research team. I actually met Abe out at the Ohio Bigfoot conference earlier this summer. We had a blast hanging out there with those guys, so I invited them on to talk about some of their amazing experiences while they're out in the field looking for these creatures, and they did not disappoint. Michael starts
off telling us about his three Class A sidings. Then we move on to Connor and some of the amazing experiences he's had, and then we finish up with Abe and some of the things that he's experienced while he's been out in the field. This is definitely something you don't want to miss. So I really appreciate you guys being here. I am still traveling as you guys are
listening to this. I am still out West filming for the new documentary that I'm a part of, so I will be back later this week, but have no fear of the episodes will continue to drop as always. So without further ado, all this left for you to do is sit back, relax.
And enjoy the show.
So welcome our guests to the show. First, I want to start with Michael from Minnesota. Welcome to the show.
Man, Hi, glad to be here.
I'm glad to have you. Connor, Welcome to the show, my friend.
Thank you matter to be here. Thanks for having me on.
I'm glad to have you guys, I've been looking forward to this for a while. Let me go to Michael first year in the hot seat, my friend, Let's start with what got you interested in the subject a bigfoot? To begin with, I.
Was about fourteen years old on my deerstand and I had one walk into a shooting lane at about i'd say twenty twenty five feet away from me. I was sitting there in disbelieve. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. This thing was about seven feet tall, very dark in color. My face looked prehistorically a caveman face. I shat there for about thirty seconds to a minute before I finally said something. This thing turned and looked at me. Within two steps was off into the woods, into the cedars.
That was it.
But prior to that I could smell it, the scent the wind was coming towards me. This saying seemed real, confused because it knew something wasn't right. It walked into a shooting lane a few weeks prior to that that shooting lane was not there. It was looking around confused until I said something and it turned and looked right at me, like I say, two steps and was going into the woods. That got me into that. That was
back in the early seventies. For the last basically forty years, I've been researching up here and part of the Minnesota Bigfoot research team up here in northern Minnesota.
Prior to you having that experience, was Bigfoot something on your radar? Had you seen the Patterson Gimlin fam had you seen some of the Jerry cru stuff in the fifties? Was it on your radar at all? And did you immediately know what you were looking at when this thing stepped out in front of you.
You got to realize back then, I've never heard of such a thing, And we did not have television up here when I was a kid. We're lucky to have FM radio. So I found out through other people what I had seen. Some of the old time loggers that were up here actually had stories of their own. They seen the same creature out on the logging sites. I'm talking back in the forties fifties when they were doing major logging up here in Minnesota. So I got educated
that way. When we finally got television, a little more educated off of that. But a lot of it has just been from my experiences out in the woods. I've had infrasound under me. I've had them follow me, I've heard their mumble talk. I've had quite a few things happened to me out in the woods. I've actually seen three of them. The second one was out on the lake in March, walking across the ice. That was my second encounter, and the third encounter I had was what
the group called all gas and no breaks. Abe and I took them out in the woods for the night and had the third encounter. One stepped out onto the trail, probably about thirty yards ahead of me, and stood here for a few minutes, and then walked back into the woods. Upon returning to our vehicles, which was about I want to say, five mile Hiken. This thing paralleled me and another person that was with me for at least three and a half to four miles of paralleledness. It wasn't
a moose. A moose will usually follow you for maybe a few blocks, but not three four miles like this thing did. Abe missed it. He was in the woods with the guys off the trail showing him how to do tree knocks, and this thing come out under the trail. I had a young man by the name of Dylan that was standing with me on the trail. This kid freaked out. He took off running. I actually had to go grab him. He wanted to get out of the woods.
This thing scared the heck got him. Yeah. Throughout the last forty years, I've had some interesting things happened to me.
Sounds like it.
Let's go back to your first sighting of this thing. Once you saw this thing step out into the shooting lane, you obviously saw this thing was huge. You identified it as a bigfoot sasquatch. Can you talk about what happened in the days after. Was it something that you shared with other people. Was it something that you talked about, or did you keep it to yourself and then go
down the rabbit hole and start doing the investigations after that? Then, if you wouldn't mind, after you answer those couple of questions, go into that second experience where you saw one of these things and talk a little bit about the surroundings, what was going on when you saw it.
Prior to my first sighting, I could chee something moving through It was dark. First, I thought it was maybe a moose, and I could hear this chirping noise, shawned like a bird, chirping was really strange, and then it walked out. After I'd seen it, I grabbed my gear, my rifle and stuff, and I got the heck OUTITOR met my dad back at base camp and told my dad what I had seen. He had told me, don't shame nothing about it, but he didn't want to be embarrassed,
so I kept it on myself. I told a few people, and that's when I essentially got educated on what I had seen. My dad and I went out there the next day. Back to my stand, I said the thing was standing about a foot below the pine branch coming off this white pine, so we estimated the height of it at about seven feet. Eventually I had another sighting. That's when I got really big into the research. The second sighting I had was out on the ice. I had moved back up here in two thousand and seven
or two thousand and eight. I didn't have running water. I'm living in an old cabin that my dad and I built in the seventies, next door to where I grew up. So my ritual every morning was to walk down onto the ice as the sun was coming up. I had a hole chopped in the ice and i'd get water for the sun on it, or the dishes and whatever I needed. I would sit out there on
the ice until the sun came up. This thing came out of the northeast side of the lake, out of the boat landing, walked along the north side of the lake on the shore or actually out on the ice, but along the shore lane. The lake that I'm on is pretty narrow. You can see across it, pretty easy, small lake. This thing walked along the shore lane on the ice and back into the woods. But it covered about a block of two blocks in a matter of minutes.
This thing was just hiking. I couldn't walk that fast. It was just unbelievable. After that, I came out of the closet. I kept it to myself. All these years, I did research, but I didn't tell anybody what I was doing. After that, the gloves were off, I was all into the Bigfoot research at that point.
Let's talk about your third siding. I found it interesting you were talking about this thing paralleling you out. Let's talk about where you were at where you were doing. I'm assuming you guys were doing research at the time when you had this sideing, because you mentioned Abe was there and he mentioned he missed it. Can you talk a little bit about what you guys were doing and tell us more in detail what you saw when you had your third signing.
Actually we were up in Reamer. I don't believe it was the big Foot data. I think it was the Harvest festival. But anyhow, all gas and no brakes were in town. He talked to Abe, talked to us into taking them out into the field that night. So we took him out in an undisclosed location out of Reamer. Like I say, we walked in about four to five miles at least, and Abe was demonstrating different tree knocks and vocalizations and this and that, and we were making
an excessive amount of noise. Abe had walked off the trail with these guys and the cameras and he was demonstrating a tree knock. And this young man by the name of Dillon Kim and I were standing on the trail and I happened to look up the trail and this thing walked out standing there and it was swaying back and forth for probably thirty seconds or so. I yelled to Abe. I said, Abe, you guys, we got one on the trail. But By the time they walked out to the trail where we were, this thing had
stepped into the woods. So from that point we continued up the trail doing tree knocks. We got up probably i want to say, another two miles maybe two and a half miles up the trail. At that point it was getting pretty dark. We decided, okay, we're going to leave. We're going to get out of there. The film crew wanted to get back. Gill and I were to last two in line, and we were probably a good hundred yards behind Abe and the film crew. This thing paralleled
us the whole way out. We could hear it walk into our right. We'd stop, it stopped, we'd stop it stopped. It did this I want to say probably three miles maybe four miles to the tee in the trail. That's where we all met up, and from there it was a straight shot to the vehicle. Moose are very curious. I've been followed in the woods by moose more than once, even bear, but usually after a few blocks they figure out what they are and then they just bought her
own direction. But this thing followed us. It followed us for three miles at least, Like they say, we'd move it. When we'd stop, it would stop. It wasn't trying to be quiet by any means.
I want to bring Connory and to put you on the hot seat a little bit here, buddy, what guy you interested in the subject to begin with?
So as a kid, I was always interested in the idea of monsters, wear wolves and alhariis Frankenstein, whatever. But Bigfoot was one that was something tangible, right, something that could exist. I remember as a kid, I'd watch all the old Bigfoot movies. I saw the Patterson Giblin film, I've seen all the documentaries associated with it. I had my own opinion based on the evidence and obviously the desire for it to be real.
So it's always been a passion of mine, and I've always liked being out of the woods and hiking. They go hand in hand. But as I got older, I.
Fell off of the subject just because a lot of the TV shows out there are kind of hokey in my opinion, they made the subject feel less authentic, so I fell off. But I found Expedition Bigfoot when I was sick at home for COVID. That's where I fell back in love with it because of the evidence right. Although the show might be a little hopey, the evidence withstood made me see pass that in a way. So that's what kind of brought me back to it. And here I am.
Now you're a part of the Minnesota Bigfoot Research team. So I'm assuming you get out in the woods. What kind of experiences have you had while you're out looking for these things or any other time you've been out.
In the woods.
So with that interest, I started looking at sightings in Minnesota. I was using the BFROL website. I was trying to find clustered sightings and not sightings that were from like nineteen eighty six or like even nineteen ninety, but more so recent right like twenty eleven, twenty thirteen. It doesn't seem like they updated too frequently. But I was trying to find something within the time we live right now.
So I took my little brother. I planned a trip to Voyager National Park pretty close to the border of Canada up north Minnesota. I think that took us about a four and a half hours up or something. I wasn't prepared at all for it. We trudged through the woods. I got him lost a couple of times this trail.
I called it's not named that, but I called the Forgotten Trail because we spent forever trying to find it, and it was just so overgrown and it was hidden with the trees, and the brush that was on the trail was like up.
To your waist. You couldn't see your feet at all.
I took him through there. Eventually we lost the trail. Whatever trail there was, we lost it. It's hard to think about if it was just us out there lost and the fact that it was eerie, or if it was actually eerie because something else. But all I know is when we turned around and went back, because we couldn't find the campsite, we decided to go camp somewhere else. There was this bridge that was going over a stream. That was the only place that you would get any
reprieve from the bugs. The mosquitos were so thick that he said that the back of my pants I was weren't blue jeans, but the back of my pants were brown.
Because of all the mosquitos.
So the only place we could get on your reprieve was on this bridge. We laid on the bridge. We're just sitting there, just enjoying the sun and no bugs and we hear a knock, and I'm like, oh, okay, And at first I didn't really make a big deal of it, but then it happened a second time and he heard them both right, So we hear these knocks. I knocked back, but nothing happens. Then he goes Connor, do you have your binoculars? I was like, I do,
but they're buried in my backpack. Why And he's honestly, I'm not trying to get your hopes up or anything, but I see something like moving behind a tree. So anyway, I fumble, I get the binoculars out. I give him to him because he sees where it is. I talked to him about this last Thursday because it just got brought up.
I'm with the group now and.
I've had experiences and I'm just talking about him, and then this comes up. He's I can't tell you what it was, but he goes, I know for a fact that it was auburn brown and it was moving behind a tree. So when I grabbed the binoculars, I didn't see it, but he says he did. So I walked down to where it was. There's a dip in the terrain, so you're going to where this tree was that he saw it, and there's a dip in the terrain. When I get there, I'm yelling at him, hey can you
see me? And he can just see my head. So if he did see something there, it had to be much taller than I was in order for him to see it, just because of the slope in the ground. So that was interesting. That was my first experience. But I know for sure that when we were in the woods, we didn't hear anything like, no knocking, nothing, And then as soon as we get to that bridge and we sit down, we hear it. So I don't know if they're communicating to each other that we were out or what,
and then he saw something. So that was the first experience that I had that was real.
Have you had other experiences when you've been out looking for these things?
Yeah.
So there's a place in Superior National Park that there was a cluster of sightings. It was probably about eight or nine years ago that they had them. For the most recent one, I went there. It was just a shot in the dark that went with me and my dog. Once again, he's up there towards the border of Canada. It's a campground this time so it's a proved of site,
but it's connected to a campground. I get there, I set up camp, and by the time I go to bed, I'm laying there and I'm about to close my eyes. Then I hear knocking happening across the lake. It was almost like code, like they were communicating to each other across the lake. It was like knock and then knock, and then I'd go knock and be like, nah, it was really weird. I heard it for probably like an hour they were doing it. The thing is, it's not normal.
There's islands out on that lake which have campgrounds, but you would see fire, there would be people there. Plus I would always go on a Thursday, so a lot of the times there wasn't too many people up there yet until Friday evening. But just like the time of night, how rapid they were and how loud they were, I don't think it was people. When I got back to service, I looked up online if woodpeckers are nocturnal, and they're not. They do their thing during the day, they sleep and
nest at night. Not only that, but just the sound is different. It's more rapid instead of like methodical, like Morris code, and they don't communicate to each other either. They're not sitting there knocking and the other one knocks back. We're doing it to find food. So it's just really interesting. So that happened, and I took my little brother up there, the same one that I took through Hell. I took him up there, probably a couple weeks later, same thing.
We're about to go to bed. We hear it again.
It was cool for me, but I had heard it.
I was tired, so I fell asleep, but he stayed up the entire night listening to it. He refused to go pete. He held his peet the entire night. So when we got up in the morning, I asked him if he heard it. He was like, yeah, Then obviously I fell asleep.
He held his pee.
Then we got up in the morning. I was like, so, how was that. He goes that wasn't normal. I was like, no, it wasn't normal. I think I told you that's creepy.
So it's something as simple as knocking, but you just get like this feeling about it.
It's so weird.
You can't explain it, but it's like your body knows that this is not normal. So I had asked him to go camping with me again, and here he was like, oh, hell no.
He was like, no, I'm not going.
So mine are pretty tame as far as that goes.
I did take my sister's camping a few weeks ago too, and another situation where it was Superior National Forest. I used the cluster of sightings to pinpoint somewhere and it's like a shot in the dark.
I like to take people so they.
Don't think I'm nuts because my whole family that's the Bigfoot thing. They're like, oh, yeah, it's the Bigfoot.
Huh Yeah.
It's hard not to just word vomit and give them everything I know, because then they still think you're nuts. But either way, I took them up there and we're sitting around the fire. I'm hoping, but obviously I've been out there many times hoping and nothing has ever happened, right, So it's disappointing. So I'm ready for the disappointment. But then we're sitting around the campfire, we're talking about old family stuff and then I hear it and I'm like, did you guys hear that?
And they're like yeah.
I'm like okay, so you sit there around the campfire, and we're just listening to it, right, and I decided to knock back for the first time. I got this cool knocking stick from Abe at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and I just love the thing. And he showed me how to knock against trees and how to pinpoint the direction and stuff. So I knock and then I get her response back.
It was super cool.
That happens a few times. I try to like space it out so I don't.
Make them aware that it's me doing it.
I don't want to get too excited and oversaturated, so I just I probably get a few responses back, and I let it be and we just listen.
So then we end up going to bed.
The girls are tired and stuff, and I'm sitting there and my fiance, yeah, she's pregnant. We're sitting on an air mattress. It was a crappy day. We got there and it was raining. It was a mess, like scrambling getting everything put together and stuff. So we're trying to get her to fall asleep, and then all of a sudden we hear the sound of it sounded like a bag crinkling, like a chip bag crinkling.
So I'm sitting there and we hear it. I stopped. I'm like, did you hear that?
Yeah?
And then my sisters are like, Connor, I remember it. I was shirtless and I just got out of the tent.
I turned my lamp on.
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we're going right back after these messages.
I'm just looking like the perimeter and stuff. And then I started asking the questions, like it was a chip bag you heard, and they're like, no, we heard gravel. So they heard the gravel shifting towards the entrance of camp off of this trail, and I guess that would make sense to us. It could sell like a chip bag like gravel because all the totes and stuff were closed up. They were close in camp, so if something came in, I would hear it open the tote, right.
So they're saying it's gravel. We heard the chip like. I was like, okay, that's probably what it was. Something was shifting it.
I go out there. I stoked the.
Fire just like it keeps some bay or whatever it is, could be anything, and I look down the trail.
I'm shining my.
Light down there for some reason, all the hair on my neck and my arms just stands up, and I think this nasty feeling.
It just felt gross.
I couldn't explain it up to Maybe I was just freaked out and I was just trying to make sure everyone was safe.
I don't know.
My fiance coaxes me back from the tent, come in whatever. So I go in there and I lay down and I'm like, I fucked up, and she's like why, And I was like, because I should have knocked back, and she's like.
Yeah, I don't know why you did.
And I was like, cause it's cool and fun until stuff goes down. I have all these girls, and I have to be the one to protect them. Right If something is coming in, it's on me. So when the night's rough, we go to bed with my sisters.
They leave.
The next morning, we wake up, the day is miserable. The winds come in, it's drizzal, and everyone's cold. They don't like camping, so it's already bad. The bugs and I look around the fire and I see misery. So I don't want to do it, but I'm like, if we want to go home, we can go home.
You know, You're like okay.
At fifteen minutes, I swear they were just to the car. Luckily, my middle sister wanted to stay right like she wanted to experience the adventure together.
We drove all this way. We planned for two months to come.
If she wanted to stay, Oh they're cool. So my fiance and two other sisters they went home. My other sister and I stayed. It was a pretty uneventful day. We just sat around camp and we drank Truly's and we were thinking we were cool because everyone else laught and we were just hanging in.
There and it was fun.
We got the bond, you know. We'd take a nap, we'd get back up, and then it's the day is oh man, like everyone's gone, Like the fun is over. So we're doing things to fill the time, like we go kayaking across the lake and whatever, and just waiting for night so then we can have a nice fire. Like you saved all this woods. We're looking forward to listening to the knocking again. So night comes. When we were kayaking, there was a campsite that nobody was at.
They left all this wood, so we loaded wood and on the kayaks and brought it back. So you could even have a better fire. She's sitting there hacking away, trying to split this wood with this dinky little hatchet that I have, so she's having to beat it with a.
Mallet and split this wood.
She's doing that, and I didn't intend to knock back tonight, so I did not, But she's doing that. Then I can hear responses. But the difference is it's on our side of the lake this time and not the other side.
So she's doing that.
She's finally done, and I'm like, okay, thank god one because there's other campers and they're probably trying to wind down for the night, and too, I didn't really want to promote any more visits.
She's done with that.
We're at the fire. We do start to hear the knocking again. It is definitely on our side. The night prior, we had to sit there, closed your eyes, pay attention, stop talking. Then you could hear it, right because it was at a distances across the lake. This time, it was definitely on our side, and you didn't have to do that, like you knew it was on our side.
We weren't too concerned.
It was just happening. I knew it was on our side. I knew that was different than the other night. But we go to bed and we both fall asleep because we're tired. We're looking forward to packing up in the morning and just heading home. There's a miserable trip. But then I wake up at three in the morning and I'm freezing.
I'm like, God, really cold tonight.
I realized one of my dogs took my blankets, so then I take the blankets back and I'm like, Okay, it's not that cold. But then I hear the knocking. But the concerning thing is it's very close, like very close. It's really hard to describe because I'm over video, but basically it was like a triangle, like they were in a triangle around us. There was two that were super close, the one that was far away, but the one that was getting really close. It was getting more erratic with
a knocking asn't got closer. That was concerning to me.
I'm laying there.
And I don't want to get my sister if she's sleeping, to freak her out, So I'm just laying there listening to the way that I'm thinking about it is if I can hear them, I know where they are.
When they're not knocking.
That's when I'm concerned because I don't know where they're at.
So I hear her.
Rustle, and I'm like, hey, Macie, and like you hear that, she's yeah, and like it's getting close.
Huh.
She's like yeah.
And I asked her if she wanted to come stay in my tent. She's I'll give it like a few more minutes. Then she tells me that she's coming in my tent. This probably isn't a very manly thing of me to say. I don't know if it was adrenaline or what, but I was shaken pretty bad as if I was freezing, but I wasn't, so I didn't meet her outside. She came to my tent, which, hindsight, being twenty twenty, I wish I would have got out there, but I turned.
On my lamp. I just didn't want to let her know how worked up I was about it.
But they were close, and it was concerning because they were close and they were coming in and like triangulating. It was like a military thing. It was just the weirdest thing, man. So when we were communicating to each other between the tents, there was no knocking, and when we got out, came to lights, and there was no knocking. But then as soon as she zipped it up, then you could tell that they moved to the other campsite.
They were no longer coming in on us.
They moved to the next one. So I don't know if it was because we all got together, or because they realized we were awake, or what, but they.
Moved on to the next one.
But they were still really close over there too, so I don't know how they didn't hear it. When I get back to town and we get over the night or whatever, we pack up, I had to pick up one of the sisters that left and bring her to my house for the night. That's when they spilled the beans on their experience that first night, which all makes sense. I get home and my fiance said the girls slept the entire her way home. To me, that means that
they are just exhausted. The reason they're exhausted is because one I told you they heard the grappl right. But then my other sister, she said, she was like, I thought it was raining, but then it was only like two drops or one drop. She's I think something was throwing pebbles at my tent. I didn't tell her that, like the pebble thing that they do that.
So I was like, okay. Then she told me that my dog.
I had the dogs sleeping with them, and she told me my dog got up in the middle of the night was whining at the window of the tent all night. She was trying to get her to lay down, trying to get her to relax. She just wouldn't. The thing about my dog is she's like a tent princess. We go camp and she loves the tent, especially if you're in it. She's not leaving until you leave. So to me, that was super abnormal. I did hear the whining too, but I thought maybe it's because she wanted me or
because she wanted to go outside. How I try to look at things, I look at all these little events. They add up to something. If it was a one off, but maybe, But with everything that happened, it gives me to some kind of a conclusion something was happening. Another thing is the sister that was sleeping in the same tent as her. She told me that she heard this heavy breathing and I didn't tell her that either. I don't think that even came up because it's a weird
thing to talk about. But when people have these encounters, whether they're outside their tent, outside their RV, just beyond the view of the woodline or whatever, they hear like this heavy, labored breathing. That's all I've experienced. It was a very interesting weekend.
It definitely sounds like it. It looks like Abe has joined us. Let me add him in.
What's going on?
Man? No, I ain't for my lateness, but you know, I like to make an entrance sometimes. I like to slip writing the things you have.
Been known to slip into and out of a few things. Actually, I've actually seen both of those things, and you got to see.
All of that. Oh my god, I'm doing good. Hey guys, how you doing.
Hell, I had some personal things to take care I didn't forget, and I got to see you guys as soon as possible.
Again, my apologies.
It's good.
Michael and Connor have been regaling me with their experiences. So Abe, welcome to the show, man.
Thank you, thank you for having me.
Let's start with where I start with everybody pretty much where they come on the show. What got you interested in the subject of Bigfoot? To begin with.
Actually it was.
The girl is that Colombo would do here in Saint Paul Mi Andnsota. As a young child, my parents would take me there. I'd be so fascinated, awestruck with the girls only looked and all very humanoid they were. I could stay there and watch them for hours.
When mom and dad wanted to go.
To a different part, they related to me or told me that I would just throw a fit and have a tantrum because I wanted to stay right there and wash them. Even tell the day the grillas are there, I can at least stay there for a fower, just wash them. It's like something when you look into their eyes. There's intelligence behind them. Regions are still so fascinating, and he was still the state, So I guess you.
Can say great apes or primates got me into all of this.
And then growing up, I hear about the occasional fish sighting or report that's coming in through the radio.
The newspaper, across the news, like, what's the heck on? What is this? Oh it's just a big gorilla? Okay, cool? Great.
I go to school the public libraries. I looked for big book books and stuff like that. I remember picking up a book. I don't know whose book, but I remember summing through it. I'd seen Daddy from the Patterson Given film in black and white. It did something to me. I really burned something in my memory where.
It's a fit of gotomy.
I'll like scared, but it's upright walking Gorilla and that frame three fifty two, I think it is talking.
Like that and looking back at Roger, that's the one that I seen you.
I was like, oh my gosh. Looking into books and stuff like that. Big Disney had a special on Bigfoot. I don't know if you're recalling that in the eighties, but they had a Sunday or Saturday Morning special about things when the time goes on to grow up and ado lessons. It wasn't until the late nineties where things were still going on started popping like ninety five and stuff like that. I looked in a little bit more
or any things and reading everything I could. I think b R was established in the ninety five, but just hearing more and more about it in the late nineties really took a look into it and it stucks me in. I started doing as much reading, getting BookSmart as much as I could. Then established the Minnesota Big Book we
started came in two thousands. For the past twenty four years, adding a few to the fire, meeting great people, having a great commoraty, having a great time out in the woods, to a point where the team members are our family mem.
Let's talk about some of those ups and downs, and more importantly, the experiences that you've had with these things when you've been out in the woods looking for them.
On a very first expedition, I've been chased or bluff charged by one. I didn't see it, but my blood brother was the next team member. He got to see that.
For it was our very first expedition back in two thousand and one in Ohio.
We went to a while because there's more things happening than their name minute then there was in Minnesota.
So we go out there.
We spent about seven or eight days out there. We find ourselves in the Krissocky Call, which is a colleague that is another Sasquatch triangle out there was in Cassockton Meschino Man Guerney's it come. So we were in the Corsocking County in an area called Wilve's Creek. We go to the general store that's there in Wills Creek. At the time, we's on oh.
Y'ah and what we're doing.
They say, have you heard of Sasquatch? No, so they get a map out and tell us how to get there. We get to the area called Wolves and we pulled in. We're facing the creek in the parks attire. We had to walk down. We done about fifteen to seventy five yards away from the car. That's where we and one of the team members snapped and we're like, whoa, it was either them or three BM broke.
We hear the five feet of footprints.
We're freaked out. This is Surrealoo. I'm twenty two years old. Think I was ready for this, but no, wait, fully went behind the ears. We're hearing the five beautifootprints. We started running back towards. I'm running towards the corner.
I have a polaroid camera wrapped around my neck.
I had stopped and thinking, okay, there did waiting for this thing to come on and take part of the woods.
I'm slipping and open.
I'm focusing on these footprints get louder, indicating has been closed. As soon as I do that, my glove brother Bill have a higher point of you still up by the car.
He says, he what are you doing?
The things right behind you? I look at him. His answers, whitest officers, I'm still hearing this creature, and then these book prints getting louder and closer. I'm getting three does I closed the Polari camera.
He goes, hey, what are you doing? The things right behind you? Get going?
I closed the Polary camera and I started running back to his pretty much catching up with the other guy who did not stop. So we get to the car, don't hope we don't in, and we open the door, but we're in the car. That's what That's what I remember, is being in the car. What was they were to go? Giving him with twenty of the questions, basically, he said it was seven and a half eat tall, reddish brown
in color. What he was doing, he says, was one I from three to three getting really right up box and everything was dead and quiet, like eerie science.
We're looking.
He had the church started by the time we got there, so he took his eyes whatever from the time that I stopped puping up the Flory camera to where I started running back, and he had the car ready and started, so he took his Honest, we're looking around and you're so quiet, we couldn't hear ready, so we got reached out.
We got back down there. Now, the thing is that the substrate, which every step that I took would accumulated to the bottom of my boot.
At that time, I had Dicky's pants on it with batteries loaded into my pockets just in case we needed them for something.
No belt on.
So I'm running through this muck holding my pants up. I stept here like wod do with football, running through through this one day. It was quite the comical scene, to be honest with you. But the thing is we weren't so wet behind years and would have gone back there.
We definitely would have.
Done some impressions or some impressions of some kind. So we was learned from that. However, networking with many researchers throughout the years, becoming really good brothers and sisters in research, one of them marked the worst he was with the old bo advertise he puts on the Ohio Bigfootbronkers.
I've known him for many years now and he used to research in that same area.
As matter of fact, he's talking with people who lives in that same area, what they relate to him and what he related.
To me that there was a least two.
There was a big black male and a small female that's want the size of seven a half tall and restaurant color.
Was it the female not on? No, I did only specially maybe we were getting too close to a young one. I really couldn't tell you.
But if that was the case, the female did her job and she got away from you and scared us right out of the area.
Kudos to her. If that was the case.
Yeah, that was one of our very first incidentss Since then here in Minnesota, I've.
Had them come close to me on two other chiens rocks throwing bops. Was there this one?
We wereunning resid based in Research Saint twenty eighteen and one of our team members did the Ohio.
When he did that, we.
Had cootes signing out to one more areas and then on to a left.
One of our team was so bad he went back to a vehicle and sat down, So we were in between at least two of them.
If the R and D responsible for that local as they used to been, Perl and I've been flames or following. I've been in between two of them that just that, okay, a different whitting one. I researched through many other stags too. I've been now Arkansas, I've been out to the PNW. I watched where.
Patty watched it in nineteen sixty seven.
I was out there for the fiftieth anniversary of the Patterson Gillman soone.
That was amazing.
As I walk more Caddie walked stepping in herst episode and speak, that was the experience I'll ever forget.
I can only imagine. I want to go back to Michael. He mentioned something a little earlier. I wanted to go back and touch on then. I don't get a whole lot of people experiencing, Michael, Can you talk about the experience that you had that you referred to where you believe infrasound was used on you. It's something that's always
fascinating me about these creatures. Can you take us back to where you were, what you were doing, what happened during the infrasound, What were you hearing, what were you experiencing? How did it feel to you when you feel like you experienced infrasound?
Getting back to that prior to that Abe and I took the cast of Finding Bigfoot back into the area where I hear hunt You did have some action that night, But then a couple months later, I went into my deer stand opening morning and I was sitting in my deerstand, which was only about probably a mile from where we
did the filming. Sitting in there in the dark, I could hear something walking around me, and I started to get branches and rocks being thrown into the vicinity of my stand where I was sitting, and about daylight that stopped. All of a sudden, I felt like I was having a heart attack, felt really nauseous. I didn't feel good. I finally decided to walk out about half mile away to where we had the four wheelers parked. Once I got out to that area, I felt fine, I felt great,
no problem at all. I walked back into the stand again, I sat down. I start having anxiety attacks. I never have anxiety attacks. That lasted most of the day. When I finally walked out of the woods, the anxiety attacks disappeared. The next day. Going back in there, there was nothing, no rocks, no branches, nothing being thrown at me, no infrasound. One other. For instance, on the infrasound, I was back
into an area about twenty miles to the west. I was back in there outing out an area for hunting, and I walked in there. All of a sudden, I just started panicking. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Here I got a side arm on me, I got a revolver, and I have a shotgun. Basically there's nothing to be afraid of them armed, but I could not get out of that area fast enough. Same thing panicking. As soon as I got out of that area, I
was fine. It was really strange. The second instance, I think I got into an area where they were living or they wanted me out of that area. The first instance with the infrasone off the deerstand, I think they were mad at me for bringing these people back into that area because I basically grew up with a clan of them throughout the years that a lot of things happened to me. Back They've been followed in that area
of tree knocks. I've heard vocalizations, mumble talk. They accept me, they let me go in there and hunt, they leave me alone. I think they were disappointed that I actually broke their trust. And I brought people in there. But yeah, that infrasound. I believe it happened to Ade too.
It was in twenty sixteen when I had something that here. I can't say it was infras honor or what to be honest.
With you, but I was in an area where some people who do their guide were in. They told me about this their bait and how the only way to get this bait off of some the.
Pain was tried to be unpoached. Certainly it was unhoaching. Nothing was tore down or anything like that, all or cut.
So that would lead me and then to believe that I hadn't had something to do with hands or something like that, and.
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So I go out there and I'm checking out this area and I did got done having dinner and I was on my second more or dessert. They were actually with me at this time, thank god.
During my eating that second more.
Prior to this, I was doing vocals, basings and some things by that trying to say hey, I'm here where you at basically designed to get some attention and a solicitor response. I started to have any effects of a panic way up, really wrapping heartbeat.
Oh my god, something is not right.
Shouldiers were heavy, arms were heavy, focusing on my breathing. I was balanced, disoriented. VA could see that I was going in and read something physically.
They're like, hey, what's why. I almost want to ask everyone. I knew what quit and I don't feel right.
I had open arm surgery and twenty eleven, so for something like that to take place out of the blue, I was scared to admit that. However, during me going through this episode, they heard a couple of different vocalizations from across this lake I was on, from two different spots.
They ended up taking me to the emergency room.
I was okay, and each I tell you, after maybe a couple of hours, so they called the big up. I spent the night at their place and them back round spot the very next morning.
Then another team member, the old Sergius, came out and.
Joined me that day as well, and the back added boots on the around walking around looking for any kind of study.
And he can't say for sure that it was in person. There was no proof of it.
However, I did have the effects all what people will lead to be in for soule.
Also, I had the effects of just the standard band attack.
I talked with other researchers from what they've experienced in a group when they had that occurred.
Seriously, the biggest guy order the group and then it happened.
I was the biggest guy that was there at order than three of us at that time. So if you look at that, if it was then I could only speculate now where they trying to subdue or get the biggest guy under their area.
So the other two was model.
Yeah, I was about to say they got you out of there. You had to go to the yard man tree knocks or one tree breaks, all the other evidence that people find. But what appears to be in for sound that people experience is one of those things that has just fascinated me throughout all of my research. One of those things that just sticks out to me when people say they've experienced that or feel like they've experienced that. I certainly like to ask those questions because it's not
something that happens to everybody. Sometimes it's very isolated. Like you said, there's been groups of people you walk three or four feet, one person's feeling it or two people and then the other four are fine, and then you walk another four feet and then it seems to dissipate. It's just one of those phenomenons within the phenomenon that has always been one of those things that I've always been fascinated with. I want to go around the horn
before we get out of here. Michael, you mentioned earlier something about a Facebook group. I want to give everybody the opportunity. We've obviously talked about the Minnesota big Foot Field Research Team. I want to get into that where people can find that. I'm sure Abe will probably want to talk about that, but Michael, you mentioned as well a Facebook group, So anybody that has anything to plug now would be the time to do it. I want
to go around the horn. If you want to give out contact information, the best place for people to find you, whether it's Facebook, Michael Fee, you want to start us out.
Like I said before, we have a Facebook site for the Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team, and about seven months ago or so, I started a site called Pop's Bigfoot Hunter. It's designed to let the average person come in there and if they want to talk about their experiences, tell stories or whatever, they're more than welcome to do it.
I don't have too many rules or regulations on the site, but if anyone's interested, I have that going, and like I say, the Minnesota Bigfoot research site that we all have going with ab Connor.
What about you?
You got anything?
Yeah, So I actually have kind of an apparel brand that I've been working on for the past year. I'll be honest, the kickstarting has been a little slow, just with life happening.
I started it just.
As a creative outlet and then it became something else. So that's called Nocturnal Affairs. We can find the website Nocturnalaffairs dot net. I also have an Instagram associated with that, It's Nocturnal Affairs Design. Then a Facebook page as well, just Nocturnal Affairs. That was something that just always stuck. Whenever I'd have our work, I'd label it or tile it with Nocturnal Affairs, so it plays into their mischievous behavior at night or anything that really goes bumping the night.
Abe.
Last, but certainly not least, my friend, what about you, sir? You want to add some things about Minnesota Bigfoot? What do you gotta plug?
Man slea Checho Pop's Bigfoot Hunter chuck out Nocturnal Affairs.
He had a lot of great designs and had apparel.
That's doos from MNBRC com is what the web page is our team member Joel storage Us he's the webmaster, web designer and all that stuff.
We'll be getting that updated as soon as Bottbill overdue.
Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team on Facebook, Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team on YouTube. Check us out Minnesota Bigfoot Conference also a Facebook page. We have Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team TV on Facebook page. That's where where we all get together. I'll throw up a video and that says too long, then I'll link it up, throw it up on YouTube and linked it up there as well.
Were yet watch where we're getting the sealed.
It be researching or interview with people who've had sightings and stuff like that. Will we have with Minnesota Bigfoot Conference coming up October fifth of this year as a template lodge and hotel in Grand Rapids, Minnesota. We have returning our good friend doctor Jeff Meldrum, who you and I just seen back in May. We have Scott Nelson,
retired Navy crypto linguist, knowing the guy for years. He was at the first NBC he's coming back again to talk about more language, big full language and things like that. We have Lyle Blackburn, usual a ghul teller and also has done extensive research in Falk Arkansas, Boggy Creek, Creature, the folk Monster again longtime friend as well, and Shane Courts And I was.
Just talking with Shane. I told him Shane it was seven years.
I've had you on m NBRT radio and he was remember that for the day as long as I live. Pep remembers exactly where he was. But the Shamee course and he also runs the Olympic projects with David Ellis and Derek Randalls. We had David Ollis come out. He plays some audio sounds last year. So it's going to be a great pleasure to have Saint Course and come out talk about the bigfoot nests but they found and all the bigfoots are supposed to be.
Returning to these nets now come to find out, which is really cool. We have a great lineup.
There's going to be different things activities do from the adults and kids and it said a very good family already to the event for networking.
Also, why we do.
This because just at this last big foot trust going re where every year there's people that just kip on coming out of the woodwork, the didn't want to get up, and they talk.
And they'll come and post to the side.
Hand.
I don't want to say an interesting thing, but I worked with the D and R. Here's what's going on.
You're my new best friend, So I said, come out and check out the.
Minneso Big Conference.
It's all about getting the education and the awareness that these creatures ares here in the land of ten Thousand Lakes, where that platform, where that safe, even with that team, where you can trust, well, we're not going to make fun of you can tell us what you've experienced. We've heard a lot of far out there stuff in the past twenty four years or forty years that Bobs has been doing this too.
These guys are on.
The team because we all are serving that same passion for the sweet search.
Where it comes.
Donald to is all about conservation, preservation and protection, getting that education and awareness out there for this creature. That's one thing that we want to get out here in Minnesota, even more so than one of theirs. Now, that's why the Minnesota Big Book Research Team hosts the Minnesota People.
Sounds like a plan. You guys, go check it out. I'd love to come out and do the conference at some point in time. It's a trick for me, but I'm always willing to go far for friends, my friend.
I'd love to see you.
Maybe one day you guys will see me at the Minnesota Bigfoot Conference as well. Thank you so much, guys, Michael abe connor, it's been a blast you on the show.
Thank you, buddy.
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