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celebration of this day is rooted in history. It's recorded that shortly after the Declaration of Independence was signed in Philadelphia, celebrations took place throughout the land, and many of the former colonists, they were just starting to call themselves Americans, set off cannons and marched in fife and drum parades. What a contrast with the sober scene that has taken place a short time earlier. In Independence
Hall, fifty six men came forward to sign the parchment. It was noted at the time that they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors. And that was more than rhetoric. Each of those men knew the penalty for high treason to the crown. We must all hang together, Benjamin Franklin said, or assuredly, we will all hang separately. And John Hancock, it is said, wrote his signature in large script so King George could
see it without his spectacles. They were brave. They stayed brave through all the bloodshed of the coming years, their courage created a nation built on a universal claim to human dignity, on the proposition that every man, woman, and child had a right to a future of freedom. For just a moment,
let us listen to the words again. We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creaty with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. He here, and thanks so much for joining me for the show. I hope you've had a wonderful fourth of July, and I hope that continues on into the weekend. I got to sit down recently and talk to Brandon from Indiana, and Brandon had a very strange encounter
with what he believes to be a dog man. We finish up with Brandon sharing some really strange things that are going on in his house as well. I'll let him tell you all about that in just a second. Brandon has also a host of his own podcast. It's called Tenfoil Tails. I've got the link right here in the show notes for you guys, please go check out his show and show Brandon some love. Most of you know I did a camp out and expedition last month here in North Carolina with our host Cheryl.
We had a blast up there. We had a very small group, but we had a really good time. We've decided to do another one of those expeditions and campouts the weekend of October fourth through the sixth. They are only fifth teen total spots available for this camp out, and they're going fast. If you're interested in hanging out with me and RPG Ryan Golumbeski and getting out into the woods and doing some bigfooting, I've got the link right here
in the show notes to Ncbigfootadventures dot com. Just head over there right now and pick up your tickets before they are gone. But enough of that, I know you guys are ready to get into it. Brandon's on the line, He's ready to go. All this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Or welcome our guest of the show. It is Brandon from Indiana. Welcome to the show. Man, Hey, thanks for having me. I have been looking forward to this.
Let's talk a little bit about what got you interested in this cryptid, bigfoot dog man phenomena world that we're in. What got you interested in it. Was it your experience or was it something else for that. I was always interested in weird stuff as a kid. I grew up a big fan of the Monster movies and God's allays like a big favorite thing of mine. But I never took a whole lot of stock and things could be possibly real. I remember the Patterson Gimblin film. I was always not just a man in
a suit as a kid. Bigfoot wasn't real, dog man. I've never heard of that before. Where Wolf's that's what people talked about. I didn't believe in any of that stuff. I was a huge fan of the X Files. I love when they had their weekly Monster of the Week type episodes or whatever. But I never took a whole lot of stock into it as basically the experience that I had that kind of changed my perspective because I was really skeptical, and to be honest, I still am pretty skeptical. It's
hard to admit and accept the things that you saw. Even though you know you saw it, it still doesn't make any sense. So it's one of those things I've been questioning for all these years. I don't know how else to describe. It's just something that shouldn't have happened, that did happen, and there's no way of getting around it without you're like, okay, that's what it was. As a skeptic, it's hard to admit that. I'm
right there with you. I'm very skeptical you and I've had conversations about that in the past. Well, let's just go back in the time machine, head back to two thousand and seven when you had your experience. Why don't you just take us back there, tell us where you were, what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you. I used to work at a warehouse. I was a third shift box truck driver. It was
our Friday night. So our boss had told us if we got everything done and we got everything delivered to the main factory in town when we got back to the warehouse, we could get out of there early. So of course you're going to bust ass just to try and get work done so you can leave and get paid for and I have to be there. So that's what we had done. It was me and several other coworkers. We got done around four fifteen or something, four thirty. Then we started to leave.
Like she Leslie she's going to write out on her time cards. I don't really know who all left in front of me area. I wasn't really paying a whole lot of attention. I just know I get into my vehicle, started up. It's in February, so it's cold. She kind of let warm up for a little bit. I just started driving, and then I get to the first road and I take a right, which is the way I go to go home. Went down this road numerous times. I still live out in the same area, so I go down the road. All
the time I'm driving. I see there's tail lights in front, and I see his head lights too, but he's driving in front of me. We're just going down the road. I notice the car in front of me, he's lights swerve like he swars off the edge of the road, and then he swears back up on the road. The first thing I'm thinking of is like, what is this guy doing. I don't remember if I knew it was my coworker or just happened to be a via I'm just wondering, like,
why swerve off the road. And I'm thinking a whole lot about who it was. As I get closer to the area, there is something walking in the middle of the road. I thought it was a person at first because the way it was walking on two legs. And I see this black shape coming down the middle of the road. I'm like, why is there a person out in the middle of the night walking in the middle of are
like? Are they stupid? So as I get closer to it, it looks like a person wrapped in a blanket because I don't see a head and I don't see arms. For some reason, I'm thinking it's like it's a person wrapped like a big black blanket. They're moving very weird the way they take a step, it almost like wiggle a little bit. I've always said, kind of glitchy looking. It didn't look normal, very strange movement patterns, like are they drunk? This is all happening with a few seconds,
so I don't really have time to comprehend what's going on. I have to dip my brakes. Basically, I swerve over to the side too, because this person is not moving out of my way. As I get to like a creeping stop, the thing walks beside me, goes on my driver's side window, and I'm pretty sure it bumps into the mirror, and I'm trying to see, like, who this is? What? There is no head. I do not see arms, I don't see clothing, I don't see
fur. It's like solid black. I'm in a forward explorer and I'm trying to look up my window. This thing is taller than my vehicle and it's leaning forward by a good lean to itself. So I honestly don't know how to describe the height other than my vehicle's five and a half feet to the top. So this thing had to be at least six and a half to seven feet tall standing straight up. There's no person in the middle of the night that should be that tall. Walking it gets behind the vehicle and my
red lights are illuminated from the brakes. It's blocking out the light. You can see it's solid, but it's got solidness two lights. It's not like a shadow person or anything like that. But basically I can see it took a step and you can see the ground and see the snother's lake. These legs are very, very thick. This whole thing was a very thick torso and a very thick body. It's just the way it was moving and everything made no sense. Who was out in the middle of the night, strolling
down the road. Stumbled around at like four thirty in the morning, very weird. So at this point I just tramp on the gas once it's away from it, because I'm trying to figure out, like four thirty in the morning, when the hell's going on. I keep going and just in front of me is a road that the car in front of me pulled into and I can see it's my coworker. So I pull up next to him. He rolls down his window. I rolled down my window, and he's like, did you see that? I said, yeah. He's like, it
didn't have a head. I was like, I'm glad you'd noticed that too, because I didn't see a head either. I'm like, what was it? Basically, I've convinced him to follow me back because I want to know what it is, and he doesn't want to go back. I was like, man, I want to know what this thing is because if it's a person, what the hell are they doing out here? So if I pull back out and he follows me, they get back to the same general area,
which is only about a quarter of a mile. It's not too far away, but in the same exact location, there is a large black dog lane across the road. That dog was not there when we just drove by, because I had to run it over because it is the word it's lane as in the middle of the lane, it's partially in the center. Something that's laying in one side lane. It just wasn't there, Like there's no way to getting that. I wouldn't have not seen it. But it looks
like it's dead the way it's laying there. It's got's back towards just gets facing the direction of whatever the thing walking was. But I don't even see the thing that was walking. But because the things in the middle of the road, I pull up to it and I'm gonna stop. About thirty feet I started to get out of my vehicle, and at this point the coworker creeps up behind me and he's like, what are you doing. I was like, well, there's a dead dog up here, so I'm walking up
to see what the hell's dog doing here? Now. For some reason, I never thought that the dog was walking in the road, because why would a dog be walking on two legs? That makes no sense. As I start to get up to this creature dog whatever you want to call it. I'm maybe fifteen feet from it, and it lifts its head up and it turns back, and our headlights are shining in the direction of it, so when it looks back, it's eyes start glowing from the eye shine is what
I've always said. But it lets out a very low, rumbly growl. I don't know how to say it, feel it or whatever. It's not like a normal dog growl. I have dogs, been around dogs. It wasn't that type of growl. It was very low, rumbly. You could feel it type of a growl. I just stop walking because I'm like, oh shit, this isn't dead. What are you supposed to do when you're walking up to something and a growl like that, You're gonna just stop.
I'm just staring at this thing, and it starts to try and move, and at this point I hear my coworker screaming at me to get back in the vehicle and calls me an idiot. This thing's starting to try and stand up. It does like a little bit of a stumble on four legs, and it stops and stands directly up, and by that I mean on two legs like a person. I'm just staring at it because there is no absolute way that this should happen. It did not stand up like a dog.
I've seen dogs hop around on their back hind legs. It didn't do that. It stood up like a person would its front legs or off to its side like a human shoulders would be like when it kind of dropped down. It stood directly up, and a lot of people are like, oh, you saw a bear. I know the difference between a bear in this thing. It is not a bear. It had twenty years. It had a long, bushy tail, and its fur was very puffy, like a child
box. It had a very canine face. It looked like a black wolf, to be one hundred percent honest, like that was the closest thing that I've seen to describe it. It looks like a black wolf. Now, I've never seen a wolf standing up like a person. We're looking at each other for maybe five seconds total, and it crouches back down, almost like a hunkered position, and it starts to go off to the side of the
road. I'm just staring at it because the legs coming this way. You try to figure out which wy it's going because I'm so close to it. If it wanted to rush me, it could have grabbed me. I'm fifteen feet from this thing. We're like face to face. I'm six foot three more right eye. So this thing, standing up on its hind legs is as tall, if not taller, than me. This whole area to the south of where I'm standing as an eight foot tall fence that goes around for
like two square miles because it was a hunting preserve. It's still there. The hunting preserve still there too. It's called X factor Bucks. Basically, I didn't see where this thing went. It got out of the headlights, got into the brushy area of the tree line, and I don't know if it went over the fence, through the fence, under the fence, or somehow I managed to disappear, But I didn't see where it went at this point. It was just gone. So I go back to my car.
For some reason, I'm not thinking all I can move. So I walked back to the car and my coworker had gotten out at this point, and he's standing beside my vehicle. So as I walk up to him, trying to talk about what the hell's going on, I happened to look down on the ground, and this is the strangest part for me. There's also a field mouse standing between us, and the mouse is standing on its hind legs
too, but it's using its front paws to wipe its face. Its bodies all wet, its face is all wet, and it's using its paws to wipe itself clean, like it's cleaning itself. I show my coworker, like you see this, and we look down. I take my foot and I nudge this mouse, so I push it a little bit. It's completely oblivious that I touched it. It just keeps cleaning itself. And at this point, I'm like, I'm done out going home. I don't know what's going
on here. But like the first thing walking in the road, a dog stands up on two legs, and now there's a mouse over here, not caring that I just touched it. Like there's some weird stuff going on here. And I'm done going home. So we both got in our vehicles and I drove across the highway. He turned on the highway, he went home, and I went home. I went to bed. I woke up the next morning, I got on the internet and I went to and explain mysteries
dot org or something like I can say. I forum on there and they had weird crypto type things. I had sketched a picture of this dog because for some reason, I'm thinking Werewolf, because that's back in February two thousan seven. I didn't know anything else, Like, I wasn't into the whole communities of cryptis or anything like that, so I'm still thinking were Well, someone says I saw a Michigan dog man. I posted it on there,
and I was like, well, what is a Michigan dog man? So I started to go down that rabbit hole and I saw a bunch of pictures of people that drew and it's and I was like, it's very, very similar looking to this thing, except what I saw did not have the typical descriptions of what these dogmen things have. It didn't have humanoid hands like raccoon
fingers or anything. It literally had normal dog palls. Everything about it looked like a normal canine, like a normal normal dog, except for the fact that it stood up on two legs, and it looked like it should be able to walk on two legs. Because I had no problem standing up on two legs, and I'm pretty sure. When I walked off, when it crunched like hunkered down, it only walked on its back legs. It kept
its front legs like pulled up to itself. I don't know how to describe it other than that first I thought I was a person in a werewolf costume, because that's what made the most sense. But if you think about it, why would someone be in a werewolf costume in the Old World road in the middle of the night. And not only that, but like, how do they make it growl? How do they make the eyes reflect? For
just I'm doing a prank. That is a really stupid thing to do, and they had to spend a lot of money on a costume that realistic, so to even go that routes even seem stupid to even talk about it. But the whole thing doesn't make any sense. But I basically got all this information about what these dog men things are and some of the stuff about them, and I went back to work and I went up to my coworker I show him like, this is what I found, is what I did.
And other people here and so I start giggling and laughing, like, oh, did you run over a were wolf? And a poking fun which pisses off my coworker, so he pulls me aside and tells me to knock it off. He doesn't want to talk about it. It was just a dog. There's nothing weird, just some weird dog. Leave it alone. He doesn't want people thinking he's crazy. He's not going to bring it up anymore. If I keep talking about it, he's just going to deny it,
tell everyone that he doesn't know what I'm talking about. So for fifteen years I agreed with it. I was like, yeah, it was just a dog, because that's the only logical explanation. It was a dog, because everything about it looked like a dog is a for the fact that can walk like a person and stand up like a human. That doesn't explain what the first thing walking in the road was, because that thing was bigger than what this dog was. That thing I didn't see a head, I didn't see
arms. He saw that too, because he used the one that swerved off in the grass to miss that. And the first thing he said to me is it didn't have a head. So saying it was a dog doesn't explain away that the legs were a lot more thicker on the first thing walking, whatever that was. But it also doesn't explain the mouse. The mouse, to me is weird because I physically touched it, so I know it was real. It was solid. It wasn't illusions. People are like, oh,
you guys are on drugs or drunk. Please explain to me the first time someone's ever had a mass hallucination at the same time with the same person, Like, that doesn't happen. If someone's doing drugs, you don't have the same type of hallucination together. Why would you swerve off the road and then come back? Now that makes any sense either. I can hundred percent swear on whatever. I don't do drugs and never have. It's not my thing. For my own self, I didn't do anything. We'd just gotten
off work. I wish I could say I was just tired and I was dreaming it. But again, how could two people be having the same dream doesn't make any sense. I've looked for every possible explanation to write this off as being nothing more than just a normal dog, because that's the only thing that I can say that makes sense. It has to be something. Because I'm skeptical about a lot of the stuff. There's no way this could be a dog man because they don't exist. Stuff like that isn't real. It's
all made up. It's all Hollywood stuff. But what did I see? I know what I saw, So that's where you're like, what do you do about it? So I never talked about it, just because I didn't want people think I'm crazy, because to me, if someone told me what
happened, I'd think they're crazy. If I didn't dive into this type of stuff or whatever and know more about it, I'd just be like, Oh, he's lying, he's full of crab, or he's crazy or whatever, because that's what most people do that don't believe in this type of stuff. But that was the only time I've ever seen this type of stuff. Again, I live in the same area. I've drove that road hundreds of times. I drive it almost every day. I've never had an experience before,
and I've never had any experience after that. What will happen that night is kind of why I'm I still search for the answers because that's what put me on the path that I'm on right now. Basically because I know it wasn't just a normal dog. You could even say possibly that you guys saw a dog. Obviously when you stopped and went back, that sounded very canine like you guys were looking at Okay, that's a dog that's gotten ran over or
whatever. But the first thing that you saw with the dough head, the no arms much larger, and then the mouse. As you're telling the story, I'm making notes and I'm writing down wet mouse. It's some of the weirdest shit I've ever heard, to be honest with you, but to me, that's what makes it so compelling in a way, because there has to be more to this. You and I have had conversations about dog Man the
past in general, off the air night for a show or anything. We've talked about some of that and how I feel about dog Man, and I'll be honest, man, it's been one of the hardest pills for me to swallow doing this. I'm primarily a bigfoot guy. I research bigfoot. I go out in the woods and look for these things. I think there's a possibility there there. I'm not one hundred percent convinced that they're real. Then you have these people that are having these experiences. I've tried to explain it
away with kangaroos. There are wild kangaroos that are loose in certain areas of America, and I think that there have been, in some cases maybe some misidentifications of people seeing these things and thinking their dog man, because if you compare the two side by side, there are some real comparisons to be had there. But the majority of the time people are like, absolutely not, that's laughable. It's a joke to even say that. So there is something
to the phenomenon, and stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see. We'll be right back after these messages. I don't know when the first depictions of these dog man things started. I know the whole dog man lored started with a song. But if you could look back into history in France at the werewolf trials that was back in like the seventeen hundreds, I think it was the Native Americans. There's been depictions of humanoid wolf type figures on cave paintings
throughout history. There have been stories of werewolves throughout Europe. So when I started looking into that type of stuff, maybe there was something more to it. Again, I don't really believe it. It's just hard to accept something that you have been programmed to not believe because it doesn't make any sense. Out of four hundred and sixty some hid episodes of this show, I think you're the third or fourth person that I've ever talked to and you don't even
say dog man. I'm the one saying dog man here. To be fair, you have never said that to me in any of our conversations that I saw dog man. You saw an upright K nine looking figures. I think how you describe it, but for all intensive purposes, we're talking about it dog man experience. And you're the third or fourth person that I've actually talked to and interviewed for the show that have had some kind of experience with something
that they would consider to be an upright bipedal K nine type creature. In the first couple of times I talked to people, the first lady I interviewed had had maybe six experiences with these things over the course of her life. It started in childhood. She was an adult at this point in her I would say late thirties, maybe even mid forties at this point when I interviewed her, and she is an emt out in I think Texas. Is the last thing that she told me about the last couple of incidents she had with
these things. She hit one of them with her truck. It was crossing the road chasing deer, and it smacked into the side of her truck. She hit one of these things and had to go home and explain it to her husband that she didn't hit a deer, she hit a dog man with her truck. Then she had an experience where she thinks that Sasquatch Bigfoot may have chased one of these things out of an area that she was in because she saw them in relatively close proximity to one another at different times on this
trail. She feels like Bigfoot was saving her from something nefarious. She thought this thing was out to get her. Basically, some of the other people I've had on DA Roberts comes to mind. I've talked to da former police officer and he thinks he's seen these things a couple of times. Then I've talked to Jody Cook. You know, he's pretty prolific when it comes to
dog man and Bigfoot research. He's had tons of interviews with people, and I think Jody's had his own experiences of what he believes to be dog Man. So there's definitely something to the phenomenon. I just don't know how to rationalize that. Of course, it says the person who believes it as possible, there's an eight foot Harry Homini is roaming around North America that's undiscovered.
But at least that is more plausible to me on the line of cryptids, because we have great apes, we have primates where primates ourselves, so it's not too far of a stretch to think that something may go undiscovered for all these millennia. They might be very similar to us. I think there's always that lore of that's a possibility. But for dog man, any kind of upright to caneid creature, it's never made sense to me. I don't know how to rationalize it other than saying, and I've said this before, I
certainly believe in spirits. I believe in the afterlife. I've dealt with haunted houses and in the past, so I believe that that realm exists. I think if these things are here and people like yourself are seeing what you think you saw, I think there's more too. The man. I think they're coming from some other place. I don't know how they would fit in the natural world upright. Bipedal canines don't make sense in any stretch of the imagination.
They're not built to walk upright. That's why they look so weird in the movies when they make were wolves walk upright like that. They're just not built to do that right. So that in and of itself is fascinating to me. But have you considered that Over the year, we're going to talk a little bit about you're not just an experience or you're also a fellow a podcaster with an awesome podcast, The Tenfold Tails. Have you interviewed or talked
to people? Have you even tried to seek out people who have seen something similar to you? Have you ever come across a story where there was these other layers? I mean, dog Man stories are I don't want to say a dime a dozen, but they're podcasts out there that have hundreds of episodes that are dedicated to doing nothing but people having experiences and encounters with dog Man.
But have you tried to seek that out or have you heard of anybody else who had a similar story to you with these other weird components, Like the first thing that you guys saw walking across the road that you had to swerve and then this weird mouse connection and then having this siding with an upright canan like that, I haven't heard anything similar to that. I've interviewed folks
that have they'd saw something something on the side of the road. Someone said that one come up and ran into the side of their vehicle, but they've never had the experience like how mine was. That's the only reason, to be one hundred percent I even started at my show was because I did it for my own selfish reasons, like I wanted to find answers. I wanted to talk to other people because maybe it would help me cope with what happened
to me. I don't say it as like I was traumatized or anything like, because I know some people that have experiences they're terrified of going outside or in the woods or whatever. I never went out in the woods in the first place, so it has an impact to me. I was never that type of person. But in the back of my mind, I've always wanted to know what it really was, because for fifteen years I said it was a dog. It was a dog that was playing with a mouse, and
someone must have ran the dog over. So mysteriously learned how to walk on its back legs, and that's when we drove by the first time it was walking around. That's why I walked funny. But that doesn't explain why we didn't see a head, or why we didn't see arms, or why it was so much bigger. But no one's ever had any experiences that I've spoken with and had any of the same elements as to like the weirdness has happened.
I've talked to people that believe these things are one hundred percent and are dimensional. I've talked to people that think they're just like bigfoots, they're flesh and blood. I've had someone tell me that the first thing I encounter was a bigfoot who just got done beating the shit out of the dog man, and that's when I came back. That's why the dog man was laying in the road. The mouse apparently was just an innocent bystander that was traumatized because
he saw it. So he's just standing there being in the middle of a battle. I laughed that at all, because it's it's kind of funny to me. I don't want to try and discredit anyone that comes on here and shares experiences on my show or yours or anyone else, because that's again why I do my show. I don't try to prove or disprove anybody, but I think I've had some people that have not been one hundred percent honest about
certain things. There's certain elements that I don't necessarily agree with, but I wasn't there, so I'm not going to say that they're not being honest. At the same time, no one has ever really had the details to certain aspects. How do you have all these details? How do you know what it was thinking? And people's stories get blown out of proportion from here and there, like you hear them on someone else's show, their stuff's changed.
When it comes back to the dog Man in general, I've only had a few dog Man interviews because that's not what the focus of my show is about. For me personally, I wanted to talk to people that dog Man experiences, but that's like not my primary thing. My shows literally pretty much opened anything strange like UFOs, Ghost dog Man, Bigfoot, conspiracy, anything that's
strange. Why in Foil tells the whole Tenfoil thing I actually thought of because originally it was dive into stories about weird conspiracy stuff, cover up stuff, whatever that goes on that they don't want us to know about. It's just evolved to what it is now. I do have some information about some of the stuff that's happened in this area if you want to hear about it,
not just to me, it to other people. In nineteen ninety if someone else had an experience now where we live, I don't want to give one hundred percent locations the only people out here trespassing on other people's lands. Nineteen ninety along the river, there were someone that was camping apparently a quote unquote where wolf ran into their campsite on two legs and started tearing shit up and scared them all out of there. They all left everything they ran off.
I was at a speaking event a couple months back, and someone said that they would have liked to talk to me something like they said in nineteen eighty six or eighty seven. I forget what it was. They were out by the reservoir, because where we lived there is a reservoir not too far outside of town. They were being stalked by large canines in the woodline. When
they're out on the hiking trails. They'd saw them. They were very large black wolf looking canines that were stalking them from the edge of the woods. So they hurried up and got out of there. This whole area used to be part of the Miami Indians tribe, but there's still a recognized tribe here.
They still have their own little lands and stuff. I'm trying to get in with someone that actually can talk to them better and see some of their stories, because there were supposedly legends of this whole area having large humanoid wolf type creatures from their old lore. Now I can't one hundred percent say that's true or whatever because I've never actually spoken to them. That's just second hand
and then told to me by someone else. Again, when I hear stuff like that, I want to find out for myself and actually talk to someone. But there are those stories that linger around here to this whole area, apparently throughout the year's weird upright walking canine stories. There's so much of that. Honestly, the Beast of Bray Road is one of the big stories that people know when it comes to wolf like creatures the land between the Lakes.
There's a story, I think in the seventies where there were supposedly some people killed. Of course, people go back and forth. Some people think it's completely one hundred percent bullshit, and then there's some people who believe it actually happened. I've actually talked to the people who were there. I talked to the police, so you get all of that stuff again. It fascinates me. I want to ask you, did you ever circle back to your co
worker. Did you guys ever have a follow up conversation maybe after that died down, get to talk to him about what he thought it was that you guys saw that night, or he just leave it at it was just a dog, don't talk to me about it anymore. I never really brought it up to him again. I agreed with him at the time. I'm just like, all right, it was a dog, because that's what I wanted
to believe. As bad as it sounds, I knew it wasn't, but for some reason, I didn't want to accept that it was something else. And the one person that can one hundred percent verify that with me didn't want to talk about it. So I've chalked it up to no, it's just a dog. But he actually got laid off. I never really saw the guy again, and we weren't like buddies or anything like that. Like we talked at work and this and that, but other than that, we never
really had any conversations outside of work. So I don't know whatever happened to him. I said, with the technology today as social media, I could probably find him. It's been seventeen years now. That is he gonna want to talk about it now if he still has the stance of it was just a dog, that's fine. I'll one hundred percent say yeah, sure, that's what I said too, it was just a dog. But explain to
me how a dog stands up like a human. That's the weirdest part for me is I can't explain that I can see dogs standing up on two legs. I've never seen a dog stand up like a person. That is definitely weird. But I'll tell you the weirdest thing I think for me that's sticking out in the entire experience is the wet field mouse that's standing in the middle
of the road right next to where you guys. My brain is just trying to draw some sort of correlation or connection to how that could possibly play into the story. So there's got to be somebody out there listening who knows more about this than Brandon or I that could send me an email and let me know how there's some sort of a connection, or maybe somebody else has had another story. It's it sounds weird, but I don't know if you got
into some sort of a wrinkle. I don't want to say portal because that has just such a horrible connotations for me and most everybody in the Bigfoot cryptid world. Some people are definitely into that kind of stuff, but for me. Wayne and I have been talking about this on that Bigfoot podcast a lot
lately. In some of the missing persons reports and stuff that he's done, he's considered the fact that some of these weirder cases, maybe people stumble out into the woods and get into something like that, whether it be a wrinkle in time to another dimension, even a portal where something is coming and going and you just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or right place at the right time, however you want to look at it.
I guess I just don't know what else to make of it. I see your coworker there, you talk to me, go back, and there's a dog and then the dog gets up walks away like a person. Then you go back to your vehicle. Now now there's a mouse standing on it and sign like washing itself. It's so random it makes no sense to me. It sounds crazy. It's what I've always says. I don't even believe my own encounter, even though I was there to experience. Like to me,
it just sounds crazy, like there's no way it could be true. But I know what happened. So that's why I scratch my head about it, because it's like it just does not make any sort of sense. Now I have had one person and again I being skeptical. I don't say one way or the other. But they said the thing was all the same thing. The first thing was bleeding into our reality if there are alternate realities, different dimensions or whatever. The first thing was taking shape. It was turned it
into the dog. Okay, I'll say that's plausible. Then I wasn't afraid of the dog, so turned into the mouse. So then you're getting to the point of it being a shape shifter. I know there's lots of Native American laws about shape shifters and other things like that too. And then with it's being a lot of Native American land. I'm sure they've had their own
stories about shape shifters. I don't know if it's all connected to the lands, because again, there's two big rivers within a mile to the north from where this happened as a river. Then about two to three miles to the south is another river, So this whole area is strategically placed. I can imagine hundreds of years ago, they're probably prominently Native American lands through here just because of where the water sources are. So I don't know if that has
anything to do with it or not. Someone says that dog men travel along rivers. I don't know how anyone knows all this stuff, because you can't even I prove dog men exist. But there's a lot of so called experts out there that know all sorts of shit about dog men. Yeah, it's pretty prevalent in the bigfoot community as well. I don't ever take anything that
somebody says definitively about anything. That just makes sense. If it's a large what you would consider to be an apex predator like a wolf, a bear, bigfoot, or dog man, I guess it would make sense that they would travel waterways because that's what animals do. But outside of that, nobody knows about it. It's nothing that anybody knows definitively, that's for sure. I was thinking the same thing when you were telling the story and sharing your
experience. I was thinking, is this thing the same thing? If this is some sort of an inter dimensional thing that you guys happened to just drive into for lack of a better term. Was this thing the same thing for whatever reason and it ended up being a mouse? I don't know. I guess that's if any of this is in the realm of possibility that we're talking about. I think any of those things have to be considered for sure. I just don't know. Man, it really makes me scratch my head.
I have to ask you, though, you drive this road all the time and you've never seen anything like that before, But have you had other strange experiences? Because what I found, at least for me personally, people who have some of the stranger experiences one way or the other with one phenomena or the other ten do have other experiences. I used to say on my show when i'd have people come on, going back to what you were saying earlier,
people like to stretch the truth. They add to their stories. They like to have multiple stories, they like to have experiences and multiple things. And I used to have people on that would talk about Bigfoot and then they talk about seeing alien craft or what they believe to be extraterrestrial craft. I was like, Ah, it's a little weird that you have all this stuff going on. But then I'm one of those people, right, I had
what I believed to be multiple possible experiences with Bigfoot. Never seen one, but had experiences I think might have been Sasquatch related. I've seen multiple UFOs, I've lived in haunted houses. I've had weird deja vu experiences, other things that would be considered telepathy or I don't know what you would call it, that I've had experiences with As a kid, we have weird stuff that goes on in the house up until even currently, it all kind of goes
together. We bought this house in twenty twenty now. Prior to that, other than the one random walking caneine encounter, I never really had any sort of weird experiences that I'm aware of. I'm not going to say I didn't have any. I'm just I don't think they were again being skeptical. I
always write things off as just explainable. But we bought this house. The people that we bought it from were an older couple and that they've lived here for it was almost twenty five years, I think, and the house was built in nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine, so it wasn't super old, and no one's ever passed away. And we moved in. I was painting. My dog makes a growling noise because at the time, if a leaf
blue, he would be parking his head off. He started growling in the living room with something, so I poke my head around there and I tell him to knock it off. But I hear the floor creek, and it only does that when someone takes a step. There's a certain board that used to do it. I say, it still does it, but I've noticed now that since I've stabilized the basements, it doesn't make that noise now. Well. A couple of weeks goes by and my wife and iron bed.
The room next to us is my daughter's bedroom. We have a baby mim her in there. We just put her down to sleep. My life and I were laying to sleep. The baby monitors on in our room, one of those camera types so you can hear and see her. But our windows have the old pull down blinds to them, and for some reason that blind just shot up, scared the shit out of us. We laughed, pulled the blind back down because of my mind. Again, that's not paranormal.
We just didn't pull the blind down. But the next thing that happens within five minutes. I can try and explain that a way too. But if we heard a voice through the monitor that says mine, just like that, it sounded low, and it sounded like a man, and it sounded really frigging evil. So I said, nope. I ran into the bedroom, I got my daughter, brought her into the room with us. Just the timing of the blind shooting up and then that voice coming right down below where
the blind is is the table where the monitor's at. That's just too much of a coincidence. And I'm not one that believes in a whole lot of coincidences. But we brought our daughter in again, just kind of a little paranoid about that. It's your child. A couple of days go by and my wife's changing our daughters. She has three large scratch marks down her back. So I flip out because I go in over predictive dad mode. I go through every room in the house and I start trying to banish whatever it
is so with my children or whatever it bothers me. But I'm not one that's religious, and I'm not one that's a big believer in all this type of stuff. But what do you do when it's your child? So I did whatever I could do. I went through every room, tried to banish whatever negative energies are around. I said, in the name of Jesus, get out of here. Whatever I had to do, I honestly thought it worked because we never had any more instances again than I'm aware of, up
until recently. And then I've started putting things back together and I'm like, oh shit, this has just been continually going on. I didn't realize it, so I don't know the exact timeframe. But my daughter got an imaginary friend. Her imaginary friend is named Chloe. Now, the thought of an imaginary friend creeps me out in general, because it's just something I think is strange. But my wife said it's normal for kids, So whatever. Stay
tuned for more Sasquatch out to see we'll be right back. After these messages, she said that Chloe is Blue's best friend's name on that cartoon show, and my daughter loved Blue's so I was like, okay, whatever. It just got to the point where she would talk about Chloe saying things or doing things. Chloe lives down in the basement of crawl space. I was like, that's strange. But it kept to where I had to ask her what does Chloe look like? And I don't remember the exact if. She said
she'd either blue or purple, but she told me a color. I think it was purple. She's purple. I said, why is she purple? She said, because she's dead. I'm like, what she said, she's a ghost. My daughter is like three years old at the time. She shouldn't even know what the hell of ghost is litt alone correlate that to being purple. So I freak out. I said, Chloe's not allowed to be don't talk to Chloe. You can't be friends with Chloe. Whatever goes on,
no more Chloe. This was right before I started my show, so this was happened in like spring summer of twenty twenty two. I started to look into more things because again, I'm not one that's a big believer in a lot of this stuff. And then I started my show, started talking to other people. I started looking for guests, and someone sent me a message, some random internet person, and they quote it n each year wherever it's pronounced, but basically says, when you start looking into these things,
things start looking back. But the first message they sent to me wasn't that. It was I feel bad for you and your family. Right, I'm worried about you and your family. So of course I'm like, hi, And that's what they said, when you start looking into things, things to start looking back. My daughter started having night terrors, start sleeping bad, like she wanted to wake up, be crying when come in our bedroom, had a bad dream. I never really took a whole lot of stock into
it, like, oh, she's three, little kid having nightmares. He's done my married all the time, like it's normal. Last spring, this has been over a year now. I kind of took a break from doing this. I had so many things recorded. I took a couple months break. Her sleeping pattern changed, she's backsleep and fine everything else. I started the show back up. There's no more issues and for some reason. Back in September, my older kids decided that they were going to bring some friends
over, and they were down in the basement. They came upstairs and they asked for some candles and a lighter, and that I heard everything that was going on. I just assumed that they wanted to make the basement smell better or something. I didn't know. I hear them start screaming, and I looked directly at my wife and I said, I bet they're doing a seunds. I run downstairs and lo and behold, here they were trying to make
a makeshift weedi board to communicate with spirits. Whatever they were using supposedly moved. I flipped on the kids. Needless to say, one of their friends has never came back. She probably went home and told them that the crazy dad was screaming at us about demons and summoning some evil spirits. But that's what I feel like I had to do, because that's something you don't just screw around with. I'm superstitious. I might be skeptical, but I'm superstitious.
I've never been one to mess with the Ouiji board. I don't think they're a good idea. Some people say, oh, they're just toys. I don't want to take that chance, especially with the stuff's that happened before, because try and explain three scratch marks down your baby's back to me. The number three is very significant because if you go into the whole religious aspects or whatever, that's demonic in the sense that it's mocking the Holy Trinity.
I was raised as a Christian kid in a Pentecostal church. I know all about that type of stuff. I don't practice it today. I'm not necessarily a full unbeliever, but I still have my own guard up when it comes to stuff like that. Right after that happens, my two year old son started having sleeping pattern issues. He decided he's gonna wake up in middle of nine and he wanted to come sleep in our bedroom. Our daughter's doing it
again. So I have a two year old and a four year old that were wanting to come sleep with mom and Dad didn't think a whole lot about it. Then I forget exactly when this was. I think it was in November. There was a strange orange glowing. I honestly thought it was just a flare because there's a factory a few miles to the north, and they actually used to make flares. On't know if they still do. I thought it was one of them testing out a flair. But I've lived out here.
I grew up out in this whole area. My parents lived a couple of miles north of US. I could see the factors from there. I've lived out here since twenty Why it's almost thirty something years I've been in this area. I've never once seen them ever test a flare, but this looked like a flare, so I just assumed, well, maybe they're tested on a flare. It was stationary, an orange glowing ball, looked like a fireball, and just above the tree line. I yelled for my wife,
yelled for my son. Never once did I think they grab my phone. I've literally criticized people for never doing that. How ca you sit there and say you watch something and never thought about recording it? My dumb assids starre and watches it for like two minutes. Never grab my phone, and I never even thought about it. It was stationary. It went up a little
bit and moved over to the right, and it just completely disappeared. It didn't fly off, So I can't say that the UFO but it was in the sky and I don't know what it was, so I thought that was weird. Then it gets a little bit weirder because a couple of weeks go by out front of the house we're coming home, and this time I actually remember to record it, and that's what's even weirder. I thought it was starlink. I see these lights out in front of the house and there in
rows, but they're just sitting there. They're not moving like starlink. So I threw my phone to my wife. We're up at the stop signs. I record this because I'd already remembered I didn't record the last time something was out there. I told her to record it. She records about two seconds and we hit a bump and apparently shit the button again, so you can see it for like two split seconds. And didn't realize that she wasn't recording.
We got opens to the house. She tried to record it again, and you can't really see it. When I try and send the video from my phone to people, they claim me don't see anything, which I think is strange because you can clearly see it on my phone. I don't know if it's the quality of it being sent off for whatever makes it door it's
impossible to see. I have no idea. But about a week or so later, and again the timeline for me without I didn't write it any of this down because I didn't really think a whole lot about it, my son started saying ghost. Now he's two, he's laying in bed with us. He's looking up at the ceiling and he says, daddy ghost, ghost, daddy ghost. My wife's like, are you listening to him? And I'm facing the wall. I was like, yep, I'm not looking. I
don't want to see it. And he keeps saying like he gets closer to her, like he nudges up against her and keeps pointing to the ceiling, saying daddy ghost. So I roll over and look up, and I see nothing. I have no idea what he's looking at. My te year old barely spoke at the time. He's just now talking a lot better. But
back then, back in December, he wasn't speaking a whole lot. So for him to say ghosts, that is a very very specific word that he should not even know, Like he can barely see anything, but that's one word he can say. So that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, so I wouldn't warning up Paul. I brought it back to him, and then as load as getting up to go get it, he said, oh daddy, ghost, ghost going always like do you hear him? Like, yeah, I heard him that when it's your children, though,
what do you do? Like I said, I don't remember that this happened before or not, but like, I don't even think this was even related until later on. But my dog was chewing on something. I'm like, what do you got? And then she ends up dropping what looks like a tooth, and I thought it was like a normal dog tooth, Like why is she losing teeth? She's only three. So I pick up the tooth
and I look at it. I was like, this doesn't look like a dog tooth, though it looks like a kid tooth, like a little kid's tooth. None of the kid's lost any teeth. So I kept it and I laid till my wife to get home from work. I showed it to her and she agreed that the end does look like a kid's tooth, that there's like a root to us. So it's weird that when the kid's tooth falls out, it doesn't have a root, like, yeah, I don't know. I never thought about that tooth again for a while. And this
is right before Christmas. But basically I was having a dream, I say dream, and this is where I'm like, sound like batshit crazy, But in this dream, there was something trying to take my kid. And they look like I'm not saying they're aliens or anything, looks short, little pinkish colored. They looked like humans, but they didn't look like alien like everyone says, oh, the gray alien. They didn't have big eyes, they had like normal humanoid looking features, but they real shorter, I don't want
to say their dwarf short, like something bad or hobbit looking people. They didn't look proportionate. They didn't have any clothing on. They're just really fleshy looking, and they're pulling on my kid and he's screaming and I'm punching these things and I'm kicking these things trying to get my son back. And then one of them has this weird little thing in its hand and it touches my nostril with it. It's got like a glowed to me. I kind of
laughed it off. The first thing, like et. It was his glowing finger, but like touch my nostril, and I instantly woke up, and I freak out because my son is no longer leaning next to me. Somehow he managed to crawl under the covers and made it all the way to the foot of the bed. He's never done that before, and he's never done that afterwards, so that's very strange. Again coincidence that that happened. So I grabbed him, I brought him up a hell on to him, and
I fell back to sleep. Woke up the next morning, went to the bathroom. I looked in the mirror, has some crusty blood at the edge of it, So I freak out. I went to tell my wife, who decides to laugh about it, saying I must have been picking my nose and that's why I was dreaming that. I say this was before Christmas because we had her family's Christmas party at our house. They came over a couple days before Christmas and she told her family about it, and they were laughing
at me for fighting aliens and picking my nose and getting probed. I was like, you guys are assholes, Like of all the weird stuff that's going on, and you're poking fun of me about it, because whatever. But we go on vacation for New Year to go to Disney World. We come back. I think it was like the week that we were back, so it was like the first or second week in January. I see a weird little fifteen to eighteen inch shadow run down the hallway. I got up the
middle of the night. I had to go get a drink, and when I came back through that's the hallway. We have lights on them, and I could see the shadow go across the wall and I chase after it and it runs into my daughter's bedroom. I go into the bedroom. There's nothing there. Whatever it was, I was on two legs. I just seen the shadow moving on the wall. I didn't see like the actual shadow person. I just seen the shadow going across the wall. Very strange. I
didn't tell my life about it at first. I waited a few days because at this point, make sure everything's improbably crazy. Then in February and my dog is chewing on something again. My son's yelling at her, my older son, and she drops a tooth and he brings it to me like she has a tooth. I looked at it and I was like, oh, it's that same tooth as she had a couple months ago. But she must
have found it again. I showed my wife at this point when I'm looking at her, I can tell by the look on her face she was just pale looking. I'm like what, And she wouldn't say anything. What's wrong? She says, I threw that tooth in the trash after you gave it to me, and so clearly or not, it's right here. She said, no, I threw it in the garbage. So somehow she thinks the same tooth came back, and I said, that's impossible. So I took picture, and I had a picture of the original one. So I put
the two pictures together. They're the same friggin tooth. She swore she threw it away, and I'm saying, it's the same tooth, So how in the hell did a tooth come back? So I take this tooth and I go down the road and I go to for there's a field, and I threw it out in the field. I said, I know for sure that it's gone because I just watched it go out flying in the field. I came back in. I was in the middle of February. I don't know
if there's been weird stuff happening. My kids still have nightmares. I've still had some random things that seem like to get moved. But I have four kids and a wife's a dog and a cat, So who the hell knows if it's moved or whatever, and if it's not from one of them. I came downstairs last night. I have a box for whether I have a tablecloth or whatever. The tablecloth has been thrown out of the box and was laying across the floor and Conbediately, no one in my house says they did
it. I was like, I don't care who. I just wanted who's digging in my pund It wasn't us. That's how'd that happen. I didn't do it. No one in my house claims they did it. I don't see any of that stuff paranormal because in my mind, I think one of my kids did it. When you add everything up together, there's just a lot of weird stuff that happened. I don't know else to describe it. I asked that because I've had that my entire life. Like I said,
I think it just comes down to this. I've talked to people about it before. Preston Dinnett has said it on the show a couple of times, and in private everything's connected. And I believe that once you open up your things start to look back. And I certainly believe that if it's nothing else than just opening up your mind to the possibility of their being things like this that are possible, I think it invites some of that stuff in. At
least it opens your mind. Even the panel gland your third eye, you're opening yourself up to that. I think it makes it a little bit easier for things like that that may be nefarious to make its way in or weasel its way into your life. In some cases, I think I've had UFO experiences because I'm looking up. I'm paying attention looking up at these things. People who go out and claim to have bigfoot experiences are in the woods where
they're more apt to have one of these experiences. So I don't think necessarily it's anything that makes anybody like you or I or anybody else who has those kind of experiences special per se. I think it's just the fact that you're open to it, you're looking into it. I don't know if the word's
more susceptible to some of those things. But I certainly believe that when you have one experience, you can look back in your child that I've looked back myself at some of the things that happened to me in my childhood, and I think, man, i'd kind of forgotten about that or chalked it up to just being nothing. Kind Of like you said, the Ockhams Raser thing, Well, you know, it was one of the kids that pulled that out. But then you look back on those things and some of those things
just don't make sense. I think it's definitely connected, and it sounds like you got some weird things going on. We've mentioned it a couple of times before we get out of here. Tell everybody about ten Foil Tails, Tell them where they can find it, Tell them what they can expect when they get to it. Tell us a little bit about the show. Ten Foil Tells started because I wanted to try and find answers for some of the weird
things that happened. My buddy and I talked about doing a podcast. It started kind of in twenty twenty, when a huge plethora of podcast started. Back then, I had the idea and I just kind of kicked it around for a while and then I didn't actually start it until twenty twenty two. It didn't start the way I wanted it to. Basically, assposed to have a co host and we were just going to talk. It ended up turning
into me interviewing people. So it's similar to what you do here. I have guests on every episode as a new guest, and they have experiences. Some of my parents normal, some are bigfoots, some are dog man. I have people with alien abductions, I have people with UFOs, I have conspiracy episodes. I have people that think they are the slat. I have people that think all sorts of stuff. It all fits under that whole tenfoil
category. Because I've actually had people give me shit about the name because they think I'm making fun of people. I said, that is completely not true my own experience and the things that I looked into. Whatever people would say, I'm a tenfoil hat wear because I believe in some of this stuff. I'm very skeptical, I've said at numerous times, but I'm a lot more open minded than I ever used to be, so I try not to make the show about myself. I literally just want to give a platform for people
to come on to share their experiences. I don't try and prove or disprove anybody. I get rid of kiled apparently for that too, because I don't try and question everybody like I've had someone come on recently and say that they could go invisible, so I asked them to prove it. It never happens. I'm still waiting on that video to show that he can disappear on camera,
but never had that. But for the most part, I don't go out of my way to try and question anyone, just because the moment you start trying to pick apart someone that you're never going to have anyone and want to come on your show again because they're going to been here just here to ridicule them or say they're crazy or whatever, which is not what I'm up to. It's literally me wanting to talk to other people for my own benefit of the fact that I don't want to feel like I'm the only one that
had something weird. I don't ever try and tell people I'm a podcaster in that sense. I used to do band stuff. The reason I have all this recording equipment is because I did metal vocals in a band. So I started a podcast and it wasn't because I knew anything about podcasting. I didn't even know anything about it. Like I didn't know that I thought Bigfoot was
a hairy man ape man. Now everyone talks about how he's an interdimensional me and is like, what, I didn't know any of that stuff till like the last couple of years doing podcasting, because that's some of the things that people want to talk about. So since I've done this show, it's been eye opening to an extent because I've learned a lot more. I just kind of stumbled into doing it. Going on two years now, I'm over one
hundred and something episodes, and there's a little bit for everyone. I guess if you have a open mind, I want to hear stories about Bigfoot or aliens or any type of stuff. I recently had someone come on and talk about some they'd mentioned something about giant beavers up in Canada. I was like, I didn't know that was a thing, but cool of hearing about that too interesting stuff. Well, you guys go over and check out ten Full Tails. I highly recommend it. I will link to it right here in
the show notes. All you got to do is click it and follow it over and you can listen on whatever podcast app you want to get the show on Brendon. I've had a blast talking to you man, Thanks so much for coming on the show. Hey, thanks for having me. It's been a pleasure. They say you don't got to go, but you can't stay step steps, step child, this child, that child, everything. Can you ride back right back? Joy from me? Enjoy staying right you come
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