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can get me a Brian at Paranormal Worldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, check out the blog, become a member there and help support the show. This is round two of Rick from North Carolina. We had round one on Friday, and as promised, this is round two. I think you're really going to enjoy this part of the conversation and I have added the audio in from Danny and i's weird experience that we had while camping here, I guess a couple of months ago. At this point, don't forget
to head over to the website Pairanormal World Productions dot com. You can check out the blog there and see the photographs that Rick's in over to me if some of the strange tree structures and formations that he's found out in the woods while doing his research. I have all of those posted over there on the blog, so you could take a look at those. But enough of that, I know you're ready to get into it. So all this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Let's
talk a little bit about the stick structures. I want to talk about some habituation stuff as well, but let's get into the stick structures because that's something that I have again not put a lot of credence in, honestly because in my opinion less so now after taking the trip up to Radium that I took last year, stick structures and particularly breaks for example, to me, are very subjective. They are anecdotal evidence at best because it could be something natural
that happens to these things. Now, I did see a ton of what I consider to be tree breaks or I guess structures in some fashion. While I was up in Radium last year, but there were so many of them. It was one of the most prevalent things out there, next to the footprints that people have seen. You'll see these if you watch the Discovering Bigfoot documentary out on Netflix or wherever you can watch it. You'll see this stuff.
In Ty's research area, they are literally everywhere. Driving in on this stretch of logging road to get to base camp are hundreds of what looked like tree breaks. Every time I'd go hiking in just whatever direction I would pick, I would find these things. And I'm assuming that some of them,
probably the majority of them were natural. I even considered that Todd was going around for weeks and months and years that he's been there breaking these trees and having Yahoo's like me come in and go ooh, look at all the tree breaks. Eventually I got to a point where we had been to places I don't know that Todd had even been, and I was finding these things. We found this one particular tree structure. I want to get into the details.
I've talked about it on the show, but there was this one hundred foot tall, three hundred year old tree. And there's eighty foot long trees that are propped up exactly due north, due south, and there was a third one that was almost east well, but not really on this tree. And these things had clearly been on the ground. There was rot, there was wet where these trees. You know, a tree's been laying on the ground and if you pick it up you can tell the difference in one side
or the other. So I know these were moved, and I know Todd's been back there since I've seen the videos on his channel. He went back a week later after I left. There's no root ball for these things, so they were moved and put there right yep. So I don't know what to make of that. I'll ask you. You've written books about tree structures and these tree breaks. What do you make of these things? What are they doing them for. I've found and seen things that don't make sense that
looked like teepee structures. There's one in my book. If you pick up Sasquatch on Least Truths Behind the Legend, you'll see that in the book. We found it at the back of our neighbor's property about a mile away from here. It's like a nine foot teepee structure. I don't know why they would make these. It's not going to serve any purpose as far as keeping them dry or even keep them out of the wind, per se. Talk about the stick structures. What have you found, what have you come to
understand about them, and what do you think they're doing them for? Yeah? Great, I'm glad you brought it up. Congratulations in the book too. That's really cool. I like that. I think it's great to you're okay to talk about it. I'll make the plug right here. Here's the deal guy, the bigfoot stick structures. I'm in my fourth edition on this, So this is a small backpack. But the book you can put it and you can get it on our Etsy store. I know, Squatch and
any of the cofferences i'm at I have this year. I met Marian in a couple of weeks. I'll be talking with that one too, So I'll see you there, thank you. I'll be there. I'm talking on Saturday afternoon, I think at one o'clock. But anyway, people come up and I sell a lot of these, do they want to take it with them? I have actual pictures in here of the different types I've categorized them. I've got thousands of these images. I think the categories that I have,
I think I have seven categories. I've got some ground clips too. But the astris, the xes, the arches, tps you mentioned, and then these breaks, these acute angle brakes sick pull into those categories. Again. I don't care if you're in Florida. I've seen them look the same in my Aca Park and I've seen them up in Harrison Lake and the British Columbia and they're the same kind of things. I have to actually have a reference
of the radium springs in the backyard a Survivor man at episode two. They've got some really good todd and everythre out in the woods, and they've got some really good images of some of those things too. And I agree with you someone. You look at it and you go, there's no way that could have happened naturally. See what is it if it happens naturally, And I've got some of that in here. I think you should always debunk and always ask first. That's the first thing you do. And I've got more
questions and answers on this probably too, but he said a tropism. But tropism is typically and again I'm not a botanist, horticulturist, or any of that, but it's when a plant grows towards a force, if you will. So the geotropism means it's growing towards gravity, are growing towards ground, hydrotrophism, it's growing towards water. Grow phototropism will grow towards the sun they leaned, and saplings, especially a younger piece of vegetation, we'll have a
tendency of maneuvering or growing towards that. That's not what we're talking about. Snow load, wind break, microburst, all the things that affect vegetation in the woods. That's not what we're talking about. Up north. It's get a lot of snowload, bendens trees over and they stay in position, if you will. Microbursts, thunderstorms devastate a lot of things. I was with a grow up in Kentucky a while ago and they took me to a spot or wyn't you see this rick? And they said, now it's all natural.
You can almost see the path that the wind took, the wind shear took in a thunderstorm that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about things that get placed. And as you said, the roof walls up in the air sort of thing, and it got to be careful. I will throw those out there, especially white pines and pine trees or root system is nothing. It's just it's very shallow in the ground and they stop and bend
over freakishly all the time. But we see hardwoods and things that are pulled out of the ground, the roof walls up in the air in the middle of one of these structures, and you got to start scratching your head of the different types that are out there. A lot of things too that people can look for where they can say maybe a big foot to distance. I always call it equivalency, But the members of the structure quite often are the
same length, same birth, same size. Those side branches have been stripped off of it, and they will as you pointed out. But the roots is the high up in the air. And if you can't find where that came out of the ground anywhere close to this thing, then it was transported or brought in to formed. So you should always look for engineering symmetrical design, and I always look to see it more than one bigfoot was involved in it, because I do think when they put these things up, they put
them together for whatever reason. An asterisk'll have three members minimum to it an excess to but an asterisk skill have three. And when they're put together so that they're e quite distant from the center of this thing. That's so it's
been engineered together. It's hard for that to randomly fall that way. In the woods, they get three, four or five six pieces six trees, branches, mark stripped up, branches removed from the sides, root balls up in the air, forming an asterisk or a large X, and it stands out in the woods by itself, and it's away from anywhere that it could have grown out of the ground artificially placed. Then you got to start saying, I don't think the wind did that, and I don't think it happened
naturally, and it's okay to ask those questions. A lot of these symbols, the asterisk, the x, the arches have some relationship in my mind to dative American symbols, because they look like a lot of those. If you look at some of the Native American symbols, the X, the asterisk, typically X will mean a male presence asterisk a lot of times means says there's something to do with the sun, or has something to do with better times or good beaning. Or thesecins could be when they put them in the
woods. These things could be address markers. They could be symbols when they get together as a group and maybe have a meeting and they put them up. I've see these things go up in areas where I did research observation. I watched them go up and the spring say come down in the fall sometimes, so they don't put them up permanently always, So I think it takes.
And I'll get to one other point here too. Both with the saplings that get bent over and everything stripped, the leaves and everything stripped off the size and it's been over like the Saint Louis arch, But they'll still take the other and it's stick it under a log, stick it under a rock, or stick it down on the ground a couple of feet. That's hard to believe that just happens naturally because the sapling and the skinny top of a
tree is trying to grow towards the sun. It's trying to reach up there over the side or research what whatever it did. It's unnatural for you to get bent over and stuck in the ground two feet or have a rock pulled over. So when you see those kinds of things, you look at that structurally it's artificially done. That brings up a question the nests and things. You mentioned that before. I have had to be with the lift a few times. Rick. Nobody's ever seen Bigfoot build one of these things, And
I'm like, yeah, you're right. I can't wait until that happens. I'd like to see it. There's that video of Mississippi, the one stripping all the bark off the tree from the back. You can see it there. I think it's getting something to eat out of there, larvae or maybe had a headache and it's eat the bark or something. I don't know. But nobody's seen one of these things getting built, that's true. But then clifts out in places where there's nests and climbing into them too. And I
think a nest is the stick structures. In my mind, that's a stick structure. That's holidays somebody's nest. You said, I don't know why they do those. I'm going to throw this out there. And again I'm guessing no Bigfoot has told me why they do this, but I think they build those so they could sit in them and observe from and maybe not be seen as much. They had a place in Wisconsin where they above a horse trail. There was activity around there. They were bugging the horses and stuff.
I got cold in the look and everything. But they were up up above the horse trail, and they had two of these things anchored up against some trees so they could sit in them and watch people below up ride by back and forth and not be seen. So we were able to get closer because they had built these sort of nests of things lean to as if you will, and they go, no, people are getting up there. We had a mountain goaded to get up there. But they will do this for a
reason. Sometimes camouflage. Maybe it was helt in the hot, maybe the hot turkeys sitting on these things. I've seen them in the bottom of glacial formations and kettles or in area, so it's a little bit of a windbreak. Had an area in mountains North Mountains of South Carolina, a trail went. We had activity, but we watched these things all get built in one area over a period of time, and I would hoop after a hoop and weird stuff was going. We'd go in there at night. Everybody got the
creeped out feeling. It was weird, and then all of a sudden, a year later, they're all gone. Now I'll bring that up too, because it's not natural. If these things are happening naturally in a group, and you typically see these things in a group in the woods, what is it that naturally takes them all down? A yearly? We said, okay, the wind did it was all wind and it was a storm. Kids would blow them all and we will show you the wind that took it all
down. The following year, I would just reverse out it too. Help people observe. It's a fun way to go research. Bigfoots go out and they can see some of these things. But I always tell people try to debunk them first, but leave them alone, don't touch them, don't disturb. Bigfoot's built these things. Maybe it's for a purpose. I have had activity around these things daytime, nighttime. Do you find one of these things
in the woods a good place to do some provocation? Do some knocks I've had I can't tell you how many times I've had response around these, So I usually I just assume that stick structures mean bigfoots around because of my experience. A lot of times it's a good place to interact. Yeah, one of the structures that was fairly close to base camp up in Radium, it
was a couple of miles away, maybe three miles away. Todd and Ashley claimed that they had a daytime siding there when they were out doing some meditation around this particular very intricate tree structure. I've posted videos and photographs of those. You can find those in the book as well. But the structures have always been a mystery to me, and again it's something that makes me scratch
my head and ask something's doing it right. It's not all natural. Some of the things that I saw in Radium, the pin or playground is what Todd caused this one area. It was one of the most amazing things I'd ever experienced. And just seeing again some of the things that I don't feel could happen naturally, and if they did, I don't know how it would happen. So it's a big question mark for me. Let's talk a little bit about habituation. You mentioned a couple of habituation sites that you deal with
on a regular basis. That's something again, that's one of those coins that I've been in so many times with people that it frustrates me a little bit because I've had people reach out to me and say that they have habituation situations. One of the most famous, of course, is the fifty years with
Bigfoot Janis Carter Mary Green situation. Mary Green's has passed away, obviously, but written a book co authored with Janie about her experiences growing up on a farm supposedly with sasquad ch In other situations I've had, and every single time it seems it doesn't seem. It's been a running thing for me every time I've dealt with people who claim they've had habituation situations, and I ask them
for evidence, any kind of evidence that would corroborate what they're saying. Okay, if you have this going on for ten years on your property and you're claiming that sasquatch is basically bringing toddlers and letting you watch them in your backyard, there's got to be some evidence. Oh yes, of course, I have tons of pictures and videos. Send them to me. Great, thank you. It's twenty five pictures of trees and leaves blob squatches in paradolia.
I'm hoping that you have better experiences with your habituation situations than I have as a researcher and investigator, because it frustrates me to no end because when you hear that word, it is an ongoing thing, it's something they experience on
a regular basis. Yet it seems there's less proof in my experience with people who have habituation situations then just the person who just happens to maybe catch something on video or catch something on an audio recorder or those kind of things almost haphazardly. So talk a little bit about your experience with investigating habituation sites and where are you on that. Do you think these people are really having experience
and are they able to capture evidence of what they're experiencing. Yes, but I have three right now. I also have another that's in another state, a nice state of touch with her around and she's got activity at her property. But curiously, this woman, to every place she's lived, she's had activity. She got to the point where she went and got cat skins and everything because she thought maybe she was crazy. She's not, so they follow
her. You actually protect her a little bit. That's another story. I have one gentleman's got a property in central Tennessee. He's got them on what's property moved in ten years ago. Things started happening and he's been I can't give it away because it's a confidentiality kind of thing, but it's documented of it. It's literally every day since I've been in a property multiple times.
I've got thermal images of these things right in front of me, a big mister Magoo face sticking out of the woods looking at me, and one of them. He see the things. We've got every kind of audio, the gift interaction almost on a daily basis, handprints on the house and his satellite, dermal ridges, everything he's got, every kind of recording, every kind of strange is weirdes you want to mention this guy's got But I don't know.
There's so much evidence I don't know what to do with. He's seen them, he said, the children from the neighborhood now back was property down the woods seeing them. I've been there with Like I said, We've got thermal pictures of them. He's got the uptrail cams, and we don't again, we don't try to trick the darn things. He's got a good coexistence with him. But he's got them going by in front of the trail cam, the one where they could go by and get the mullet book they give
them that. I can tell you everything they like to eat, I like, and the things I like to pick up. They're very tactile, so rubbert racers and things, rubber ducks, they'll love that stuff. They picked that up. Ticket, they'll take things away, they bring things back. We've got every kind of mimicry and voice recording imaginable just to actually have this guy presented an expedition. I had just playing a lot of this stuff for
people recently. A lot of audio, a lot of visual, a lot of interactive still interactive pictures every day of what they We take pictures of stuff that he puts out on a got like a shooting range in the woods behind him. And he'll put stuff out on the range and take pictures of and the next day it's moved, and how they move it, and there, for some reason in their mind, these things have got an organizational mindset of
it's almost autistic. They see order and things. We don't. But they always put things in orders of three and one, and so you probably have heard that kind of thing before. But there's something going on with them. Three and one put four things together. He put three here, one there, take one away. I don't know what's going on with them to do it over and over, but I've got all kinds of this. Guy's got
so much evidence. I don't know what to do it. But we don't want to turn his property into Disney World squatches is, so we try to keep a confidential I think that's some of what's going on here too, right, And I think people get at some point they don't want to just give it away. And it is a little bit in the end addictive that you've got this interaction with these things that you coexist with. You've got a good relationship with them, and you don't want a bad And I've seen this turn
from bad to good also too. At some point you have to go out out and talk to them, yell at them in the woods to say, don't pound an house anymore. But why did they do this? And why they I've got another one just popped ups not far from me in western North Carolina, and they've got a pumphouse on the property and the darn things are going in the pump house drinking the water. I think they're bringing the juveniles. And it's going on all the time. The woman at the property is
seeing them. She saw driving down in the holler and her driveway. The other they see in the woods. She sees an arm reach out of the woods up at about six seven feet near the black arm, and a toss what looks like a young chimpanzee up nine feet in the air onto a tree and it grabs a tree, swings around, it goes into the woods. She saw this just recently. I went out of the as an investigation. She got a pump house in the woods about that for a spring. They're
in the pump house all the time. Her son has tried to do things in the pomp house to try to cover her up. People go out, they think it down and they go in there. They're drinking the water pumping as well because it's available. I had another site they're drinking the rain water. They have buckets to gathering rain water, never going up to the house and drinking the rainwater. I've got recording after recording where you can hear them
banging on the drums even though the drum is empty. Like worre's the water. There's a reason why they come around. Typically that leads to this, but if it's there, water is a big one. I'm a big believer in water. The one I mentioned this one and he's got a one acre lake in the woods behind his house in a ravine, and he's got four acres back there and eleven acres and a buts two in a green way.
They can get it on out. They're going to the lake at night, they get something to drink and whatever they need to and then his place is a good place to go look around. It's not unique either. They visit other locations of their houses. So you got a witness comes forward and it says I got a situation. As an investigator, I go out and investigating and then it's on going and you realize, Okay, they're not going anywhere.
They're probably there before the house got built, they probably would traverse that area accessing the water regularly. But water is a big part of I've got another one in the North Carolina. This is near Lake James Marion up in that area, and this families got them under properties, got five acres mountain behind them, railroad tracks behind them. There's a culvert goes under the railroad tracks. They come through the culvert big, but they come through it,
and they're in the herb garden. They're peeking in the windows. A daughter so and peeking in the window. I've been on the property and i'd see them come through. You can see them standing in the dark. You can see the eyes up aill seven eight feet standing where they came through the culvert. See a head shape over there, just looking at you. We got
recording after recording of them knocking. He sits on his patio in the back, looks up in the woods at night with a spotting scope and you can see the eye shine up there and you'll yell, hey, bubbs you up there, and they look at them just around. You can see the eyes and the head moves. I decide he's got all kinds of recording. Again. I've been in a property, heard of samurai chatter. Heard him talking back and forth at a gifting station on a big rock on the other side
of railroad tracks in the woods. He put things out, they leave things, take things. They put a big X up over it at one point, then I took it down. So it's interactive. These things are not it's not a one time thing. When you have a habituation, say it's interact in each case. It's not like that people went out to create the situation. I'm going to invite bigfoot to my property, and there it is.
See No, it's just strange things happen, and then they repeat and at some point they decide to report, maybe winds up in the BFRO and we get it. All of a sudden shows up and we go out and I always try to see if it's just a big foot that's traversing the property or walking by. If it's resident, they stay on. If there's sustenance there that's accessible, they're going to come around. But I don't think it's
unique when you see a habituation like they're only on that location. I think they're visiting houses all up and down the block because it's button up against the greenway and it's easy to do. Why would you. We're predictable, as I said earlier, the greater at observation, and we're predictable. But if all of a sudden we have a cookout and leave a bunch of stuff in
the yard. They're going to come access You hear what you're saying, But you got to remember too, these people or not, they didn't wake up as born scientists and know the scientific method, how to collect and observe all this. I was listening to your recent talk with Renee. I'd memory day I talked with her, etcetera. And she's truly a scientist. She'd made a point out the nine seasons. But I don't think there's evidence kind of thing. Okay, fine, she's a skeptic, that's the role in the
show. Get all that. But if a big bull walked down on a trail and shook hands with her, she would say, I didn't put the labels on the fial and follow the scientific protocol before it did that, So therefore it's not doubt. I look at it and say it's evidence before walk down shook her head. And if it wasn't a bear and it wasn't a person, if you don't want to call it bick, we call whatever you want to. But it's still happened. Okay, it's still not infoul.
And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see will be right back after these messages. And I think with habituations, as you get a lot of this stuff going on where there's constant interaction, I don't think people know what to do with it properly. System of trail cams like Scott Carpenter put up. He had a great system of h and he got some great visuals. I've seen him, God rest in peace. I've sat down and looked at some
of the things he did. How about that white one he got pop up by out of the bushes and looking at him, come on away, great, that's great evidence. The head on that thing is massive, looks like the Rudolph the red nose reindeer thing with the giant with it. It's huge. That's great evidence. You cannot look at that and say that's a natural occurring animal that we know in the wood. It's great evidence. But he's smart enough to do that. People in other habituation sites that have this activity.
First of all, I go through a year two of being free out. Second of all, they try to repel it and keep it away. I always try to coach them, don't do stupid stuff. Don't be putting this is a HOOPA project. Don't be putting pancakes and syrup out there, or white sugar vanilla cake for these things. Last thing you want is a creature that science denies, not a sugar high in your backyard, you know.
So I always tell them the colmdown, I'll create a dependency. And number two, I try to tell them to you know, collect evidence, to keep a journal and write things down. And I look for behavior that I know of her that they do, and these things out they do repeat behaviorally. They do a lot of the same things. You know. They're curious, and they'll send the kids around and they'll poke on things, they'll
pull plants out of the ground, and they'll harvest things. Just one guys who's got on his property that I mentioned earlier in Tennessee an apple tree on the back of his property. And I always tell people, try to get a coexistence with these things. Till them your sides the woods besides my gon apple strain in the back of the property. And I think he's established or as the saide mind co existence. So when the apples come harvest time,
they come and take all the apples off the woods side. So the side that's right up and gets the woods that take the apples off that side like it's theirs. The other side, where the apples are facing the house, they don't talk. Those are your apples and these apples are mine on this set. That's ultimately where you want to get with these things. You don't want them on your roof, banging on the house, creating problems, and you don't want to antagonize. You don't want to get in the situation you're
firing shotgun blast into the woods. I do a situation up in Ohio years ago, and they were driving ambulances out there, trying to turn the volume of the siren up to scare them away. And know you can't do that. Just accept it for what it is. It's a creature, creatures that live in the woods, and so be it. Don't get into the I can't be There's no way these things exast because there's no such thing. It is what it is. They are in the woods and are around your property
and yours. Smart enough to not just dismiss it and say it's a bear to live with it. It's okay. I think I have a little bit of communication dialogue with them, record what they do. Some of the things He's recorded, these things I think they have the ability to mimic. One of the things he's recorded a lot of is a mechanical noise, circular saws, staple guns. Can't tell you how many times he shares something. We got another staple gun. They could put boom mic recorders in his bathroom.
Renipiens the screen window. They'll come right up to it and they'll eat an apple and they hear him standing there at three am chewing on an apple. Or they'll come right up to a new staple gun noises. However they do that, I don't know, but they must be hearing workers put roofing shingles on it, houses and construction somewhere, and they like the noise and they
do it. They do it all the time. And any of us in about researching and heard these mechanical noises and what's car alarms in the middle of it was no car anywhere in site, car doors closing, buzzsaws, I don't know what. The rock hitting a stop signed. We've heard this in the woods. There's no cars, no vehicles anyone. They have the ability to do this and around it situation site's when to get more comfortable they start to do so. I don't know why that is. You can record it,
that's evidence, got lots of it. By why are they doing it? I don't think other animals can do that last night bears and coyotes don't make mechanical noise, but they do this sort of thing around and I think that's all good evidence. It is what it is. Now does that constitute proof? I don't know. Everything comes down to proof in the end. But not to be cliche, but absence proof is not proof of absence. And when you have ongoing activity and a habituation site and they're around it,
the best thing you want to get is a coexistence. That's what you want to get to in this. But I got a couple of these now, and I got a construction site forty five minutes northeast of Ashville right now, and I got one of the best footprint pictures off of that just recently. For they're on this site and again it's well over four hundred acres and they're in there clearing land and guess what, the big foots are walking across the
construction site. And I got one of the best footprint casts evidence I've ever seen. Both of this is going to be about sixteen inches long digital are long. I showed it to Cliff and Crossfell a little while ago, and I re looked at it. So I want one for mind. You see it, So I have to get them. But you get good evidence in
the end, is what I'm saying. Whether it's footprints or audio or people see one of these things visually, the eyes get the hierarchy in evidence, right, see it when we can turn our eyes into a camera and get a visual, it'spit the image out of our mouths or something that this has all come around and we can't. That's just the camera is never always one hundred percent of the ready. And I see GoPros go dead with the brown these things too. So I don't know what the answer is to all of
that. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Man. It's very interesting that you mentioned the mimicry, because again, I used to talk to people all the time and my answer was always this, how do you know it's mimicry? And it's not just what it sounds like? Right? People say, oh, they mimic owls? Could it possibly just be an owl that
you're hearing? But I know what you mean with the metallic stuff. I've had that conversation with Ron Mooreheit a couple of times about hearing some of the weird card noises and cow bail and some of the weird things that they heard up at the Sierra Camp. They're eight miles deep in the woods. None of those things that happened. Nobody's closing a door out there. They had
to ride horses into this area. It's interesting that you say that I've never heard anybody say anything about car alarms, but I had a weird experience just three days ago camping on our property here, and it's so weird. It's this little synchronicity. As you were talking about that, I was like, car alarms. We've owned this property since the end of twenty seventeen, and I have never heard a car alarm in this area because our nearest neighbor is
about a mile away. Saturday night, no Sunday night, we camped out up at what we're calling base camp up here in a new area on the property that we cleared out just to make a little camping spot, sitting there talking around the fire, and it was the funniest thing. Now in retrospect, after hearing what you just said, it may not be so funny. But we're sitting there and Danny just says to me, just out of the blues, kind of what would you do right now if the house alarm started
going off because we set the house alarm, didn't lock the door. We don't lock our doors here. I shouldn't probably be saying this, but we do now. We lock our doors now. But I have a Toyota Tacoma and I have a Mini Cooper sitting in our driveway. Both sets of keys were in the house that was unlocked. We just turned the house alarm on in case something were to happen. We have had some people that have gotten at certain points on the property in the past, and we could hear it
from where we were. We were probably eight hundred yards into the wood, so we could get where we needed to go fairly quickly, literally. And I listened to the audio today because I had recorders going. You hear them say that on the audio. About thirty seconds later, you hear it sounds like the truck alarm is going off, and you hear us both go, okay, grab the dogs, I'm gonna and I take off running down to the house. Run down the heel, get down everything's intact. Truck's not
messed with, it's locked just like it was. The keys are in place in the house, house alarm still on, house was not bothered. I don't know how to explain that. Was it a car alarm farther away that maybe was bouncing around the ridge and we heard it, But it literally sounded like it was in our driveway, farther down from where we were in the woods. What would you do for our house alarms started going off right now? I would take off a run towards house and get ready to beat somebody
to death. Oh it's a truck on, isn't it? Yeah? It is? What would it? I don't think it is that. We definitely need to go check. Should we do about the dog? Uh? Let them come with us. I got to remote him the pocket? All right,
I'm really fletched. Tenth fletsould be fine. Just a really weird experience, just the whole thing, just the randomly mentioning what would you do if the house alarm went off and then thirty seconds later, boom, what sounds like a truck alarm going off and it stopped less than I'd have to listen to the ideo. It probably went off maybe five seconds, six seconds, and then it stopped and we never heard it again. Would indicate that if you set it off with the keyfob, you'd have to turn it on and
then turn it off. But again, it was only five or six seconds. But I still made the run, everybody, the dogs, we went. Everybody was back down checking the area and nothing, Nothing was touched. And I don't know where it could have came from, but I do have the evidence of that. It is on the idiot recorder. I don't know what to make of it. I'm not saying, certainly by any stretch of
the imagination. Now, I'm not saying that bigfoot made this noise. But it's interesting that you mentioned that, and I just had that experience like what four days ago. I don't know, man, it's interesting stuff. What's interesting to me is you talked about it, and it happened if the alarm were off, and then something happens synchronoicity, coincidence. So I have this discussion with a number of investigators out there and it happens. Not to get
woo and all that kind of thing. I'm not in another dimension, but how does this stuff happen that you bring something up and it happens, whether they're generating the happening or not. Some of this I think when you're oblivious to all this stuff, like they're out there, maybe it doesn't happen. When you know that they're there and they know that they're there, it seems
like more of this stuff. I don't know why that is. I'm here to profess prussing over in the veils, thin and all that kind of stuff. I don't. It just seems like when we open the door of this by acknowledging that they're there talking to them, that sort of thing more weird stuff, whether it's a noise or the sighting or something. And the power suggests you bring up something that happens that happens on the expeditions A lot.
We can't figure it out. Somebody said something and that happens. I don't know what that is. You know how that happened. I think they're playing a game with you when they do the alarm whatever you funck the alarm went off and you go do it now. I don't know how did they understand it? Jannis Carter or talk to her about they understand English, they can understand I don't know. I don't know if they do or they don't. She says, I've been done a lot of big putting in that area.
She's in the county she's in then a ton of it. And I've been to Talking Rock where Mary Green would go. I've been in that area. I've had I could talk, we could do a show just in that area. It's the amount of stuff, because there's a lot of them in that area. That was the group and that one night, which we should say for another time where the smallest one that I saw three and the smallest is over ten tall. I don't know, but they, she will say,
they understand. They study and understand English language, knows and know what we're saying. And that book is full of language too. Right. If you look at that lang Lakota sou jerokee, derivative language, it's in their knock an a wk meets friend. We use that a lot when we're out the woods. I'll use that word all the time. I'm not afraid to say some of the words they use. Their owl is mopay. They say that. I use that word a lot when I think they're round. If I
hear something sounds like a six hundred pound owl. I'll we'll pay, is that will pay? Say tanga mopay, And just to let them know, all right, I know you're mimicking. And if it's really an owl, I get nothing back. A couple of times I've done, I got to knock back, then knock like a how it's again. I think at some point, when they know not afraid to talk with them, things change. They may understanding English, I don't understand what they're saying. I've heard samurai
chatter a few times. I talk a round about that Scott and what he's done with it, Scott else, what he's doing with is breakdown phonetically. That language is fascinating as can be. He seems to he can tell that there's multiple stalking, or one's telling a joke, or one's angry with another. Love that listen. I don't know what that is. I've heard it in the woods. I could get to the point where I think the two female voices talking to each other that verd males talking to each other, heard
what sound like arguments and fanatically it's rapid. It's as fast as they run. I've drawn that ad. But these things put one foot in front of another pretty quickly. But they talk just about his fast. I can't figure that out. So they may be at operating and a whole other frequency. Though. If we're moving that fast, if your feet with that fast, you could talk that fast, maybe you can turn a visible I don't know. But these throwing it out, these things operate at it quicker than we
are. And they seem to understand the tent before you get to a place. If they know you're there to have fun and not harm sometimes they interact. You know, I've had fun with them. We're I'll tap like a light tap on a jam block and they'll give me a light tap back. I'll intensify it, hit it harder. They'll give me everyone back. I'll do two they do too, you know. I'll whistle, they'll whistle back. I'll play harmonica, and they'll play like a harmonica soundback. Then that's
great. When you get them on that level, it's a good day, all right. When they're chucking things out of the logs, out of the woods, you that's not a good And I've been on both of them, but they seem to understand intent the way. Advice are everybody out there when it comes to this don't go out there trying to outect these things. Don't go out there trying to pool them. Don't go out there and pay.
I'm packing. Don't mess with me. It just doesn't work. I think these things have who we said earlier, they got abilities we do not have, and they may have more we have not observed yet. Yeah, they're real and they'll use them if they need, and a lot of weird stuff does happen around them. It's hard to understand. It was that expeditious past week and I just throw it out there. I was with two other gentlemen at a spot playing some Irish flute. Was one thirty in the morning.
An area i'd been to it a passway. We've heard drum sounds, not to the level like kristnal Well. I've been up with him in some of his areas up in Vermond, stuff where he had an area he'd go in and play drums and they'd play back at him. They play drums where he got to it. Not that I almost wonder if it's Cherokee ghost type stuff, but we've heard voices as one area. Anyway, I'm playing a flute the other night and just go throw it out there and two orbs come out
of the woods, greenish yellow orbs three feet off the ground. One of them stops in the middle of the road there at about fifty yards and two of us are standing in the road. This scene that comes right up the road like it's approaching. It was moving with intelligence, stop to look at us a little bit golf ball side aim right up in front of us, elevated to about four feet right in front of his disappeared. Is it bigfoot? I don't know. Is it bigfoot related? I don't know. Is
it wu I don't know. Just saw it. Three of us saw it, watched it. We're still talking back and forth the messenger this week. What the hell was that I have wasted more time in the best today is looking up everything I could possibly find out fireflies and the time of year, what they can do. And I have yet to find a golf ball sized one that can sustain a light for that long period of time, travel fifty yards and evaporate in front. And by the way, they're not out yet
for another six weeks. I don't get it. So my point of this is, stay open minded when you're out there. Don't be afraid to embrace different things that can happen. If you're at ten or up, they will and that's okay. I'm all right with that. So maybe when you got talking about that car al arm, you were out there or the other it was game on and playtime, and you got to be okay with that. In the end, if you go away, it starts saying, well,
it's got to be proved, and I don't you drive yourself crazy. In the end, you do, you'll drive yourself nuts. There's a lot of disinformation, misinformation, a kind of thing out on the internet. It's just a renee talk about that. She's right, there's a lot of bs O. And I've had to investigat a lot of things where it's a couple of drunk people on out in the woods or a kid looking out a bus window and away home seeing Bigfoot in the woods, and it's not real that kind
of thing. But when stuff happens you can't explain it is maybe around the Bigfoot phenomenon. I think you gotta be okay with. We just got to be careful with Now. I mean to be in my soapbox here and I realize I am a little We just got to be careful with, especially the longer you're around this getting dogmatic and saying it's not real, it's not physical, it doesn't fall under the left side of the ledger, so therefore I'm not going to acknowledge it. It's all evidence and we should look at it
for that. Whether it's a habituation side of people don't know what to do with what's happening around them, or the orb I saw come out of the woods the other day. It's evidence, and I'm okay with I've recorded a lot of weird things over the years. I do not know what it is. Have it. It happens when you're bigfoot, and the more you're open minded, more your intent are up, the better. And I think you
just got to be able to accept it. You start dismissing it all you just close in your mind, and I'm not a big fan of that. I'm okay with not knowing what everything is, and I'm okay with observing. They're observing us a lot. Why can't we observe them. We've mentioned it before, and let's tell them one more time what the book is. Where they can find the book, and do you have anything coming up that you want to tell everybody about where you're going to be and where they can catch
up with you. Yeah. I'll be in Marian in a few weeks at the Mary at the Bigfood Festival, West North Carolina Big Food Festival. One of the speakers at that. I think I got the afternoon one of the afternoon slots on Saturday at the Look at one o'clock on Saturday, and they do that outside, so that's nice. They did it there last year. I think I'm doing it again this year. I will be at Townsend, Tennessee. I know Squatch will be selling merchandise and things that that that's coming
up a few weeks. We have two of them in May. We'll be in Gatlinburg also, then make that last year. Will this year be in Virginia. Acro Conference coming up doing June. Will be at that also, I spoke about last year. This year it'll beat there. I'm glad to talk to people. I love when people come up to share encounters, talk about things in their property. It's fascinating too. After you're out there and
you again characteristic things that happen at lineup with other places. People tell me, so, oh my gosh, this happened I'm like, okay, I've heard that before and years what happened. And that's the benefit of being around this a while yourself too. You're bringing to bring a big service to this because you're sharing what people observe, experience, etc. And we could all learn from it. So this is still a learning process and we all got
to be okay with that. My book on stick instructors, we sell it on Etsy and I think it's six bucks or something. I sell it the shows for that too. It's a great thing to put your backpack they go out in the woods. I know squatch on Etsy, Instagram, Facebook, and we post things all the time on that different things. Try to keep it an active conversations. Got a lot of followers too on that. My partner runs that business. My business partner. Now that's what we're all about.
I just had an expedition last week. So I just got out of the woods Sunday afternoon after being out there five days and nights and so still catching up in my sleep because I've been out in the whistle three am each day kind of thing. But I'll tell you what, I love it. It's fun. I just I've been scared. I'm just not scared at him a few times too, But I've come to peace of this thing. I think these things know that I know they're there, and I know they're there,
and that's okay. And I always fall back in a Native American approach to these things. And I got a friend that Bill William Knighthawk up in Virginia. He always say to me, I'm treating what respect. There's never one of them. They're always in groups, think tribes, social water and I do. And I always talk to the woods and as they're out there, me no harm and we respect you. And I think it's the right type of approach. And so I'd ask anybody out there that get interested in
this same try to follow that same, that same broach. I think it makes sense with these things too. I'd love to come back some that a lot of encounters I could talk to you about and anecdotally and go through some of the stories. So maybe we could do that against some day. Yeah, let's play schedule around two, Rick. I would love to have you, man. I've had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much for coming on and charing with us. Thanks for having me brought. I'm
a fan of the show. Listen to it a lot. I think you do a great job getting different people, different approaches to this on here and talking about it. You're eye opening and you're open minded, and I think both of us looks are great. I definitely appreciate it. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay happen job, this job, Joy everything calling rickety cricket back Joy for me, Joy, stay right, you call it right away, step still, stay still, assasssta passest things us, ness,