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remember there and help support the show. I got to sit down and talk to Richard DeShane, who is Kyle's father, and he was with me on the expedition up to Radium last October, and I got Richard on not only did to talk about the experiences that we had together, but to talk about some of the experiences that he and Kyle experienced in the Adirondacks, and to talk about his siting that I have shared a video of over on YouTube. But I wanted him to tell you in his own words. So we'll get
into that in just a second. If you are in the mary In North Carolina area, make sure you stop by the mary In Bigfoot Festival and see us at our booth there. We'll be there all day on Saturday. We'll have books there, we'll have t shirts, we'll have all kinds of merchandise. Stop by, say hello, take a photo with us. We'd love to see you guys out there. But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to get into it. Richard's on the line. He's ready
to go. All it's levet for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show. It is Richard from New York. Welcome to the show man. Hey, how are you? I am good man. I feel like I haven't seen you in a month of Sundays. It was last October since I saw you. You and I were up in radio me You, Kyle Todd Ashley.
We'll get into some of that stuff here in a little bit. I certainly want to talk about the radium experience, but before that, you've had other experiences with what could possibly be Sasquad, So why don't we start there. I know you had some dealings with these things, possibly in the Adirondecks. Why don't you take us back to where you were, what you were
doing, and tell us what happened there. Yeah, Kyle and I had decided to go up to the ad Arundecks deer hunting because it was an earlier season where we live here, so we feure we'd get in up there and get a little early hunting in. We had a pickup camper at the time. I used to live like five hundred feet from the state trailhead and it was a big parking lot, so we backed in there. It was nice,
easy walk right down the trail. I knew that like the back of my hand because I was there for years and I used to hike that trail all the time. So we had gone in there hunting. We got up early and banked down the trail, signed in and everything. We're in there for a little while, and then we started hearing a bunch of guys walking around and yelling and talking, and it was like, Ah, this ain't
gonna be good. So we decided to cut off the trail a little bit farther, and we started hearing one of them saying, I'm lost, I can't find where I'm going. I'm going to fire off a shot. We're yelling no, don't shoot. I told Carlos that we need to leave. Let's go somewhere else. So we hiked farther down the trail and went in,
and then we were in there pretty much the whole day. Then on the way out, we decided to stop in a low spot because the parking lot was up high up on an and the bankman the road dropped down and everything, so we were in a nice, pretty heavy wooded area right there. He was not quite dark yet. It was pretty light yet, but it was getting late, so I figured it would be close to the truck
and everything in case we got something. Started hearing all this noise, and at first I was like, that sounds like a bear pulling branches, rolling rocks whatever. I'm like, we're only a mile from the dunk, and I know there's one hundred bears over here because I'd lived there for quite a while. So I was like, I'm just going to sit here and watching Kyle, Who's going to walk to a different spot and sit so he had gone off a little bit and he started hearing it and hearing more and comes
over. Is that a bear? I'm like, Nah, that can't be a bear. That's way too much noise for a bear. It's definitely not deer, because you could hear branches breaking and rocks being rolled, and it was just crazy. This isn't good. And I didn't think nothing about sasquats then, because I'd been up there so long. I never seen anything. When I was a kid, seen a lot of bearer up there, but this was way more wrecked than that. We finally ended up getting out of
there and went back up to the camper. It was getting dark and us said they don't need to be out here in the dark. We didn't have lights with us at that point. We sued we'd be out earlier, so we just sat in the camper and talked about it. It was pretty interesting. I mentioned it at the beginning. You and I actually got to spend what was it, seven days up in radium together, me, you, Kyle, Todd Ashley were all up at the radium site. Let's talk a
little bit about how that trip came about for you. How did it unfold, why were you so interested in that area? Then once we get into that, then we'll talk about what our experience was. I've shared my experience plenty of times. I want people to understand and know what your experience was there. But why was that trip so important to you and why were you
wanting to make that trip in the first place. Ever since that, Kyle started going up there with Todd and telling me about everything that was going on and what happened to him, and I was like, man, I got to get up there. He's always been interested in Sasquatch and bigfoot, so it was like, yeah, Kylin and I do a lot of stuff together. We always have. We've been real close, so it was like, yeah, I'll do whatever it takes. I want to get up there.
I want to go out there and see what you're experiencing and just have the plast And then he told me you were coming out and I was like, yeah, I definitely got to get up there, and yes, he's going to be a cool trip. So that was really the biggest part of Vegas. I wanted to spend some time with him and see what he was doing up there and all that. So I was glad I went I know me too, man. It was one of the trips of the lifetime for me.
So let's talk a little bit about what you felt. The drive was about three hours from the airport to where we were going, but let's talk about once we hit that logging road. We're heading back to base camp. Let's start there and just walk through what your experience was. What were you feeling about the area, what were you seeing, and how were you feeling about the trip Once we hit that logging Once we hit that loggin right, I was just an off the beauty of the mountains. They're like seven times
bigger than what we are here, and the cat scales. It was crazy. I was like, man, I just want to hike to the top of everything. But we hit that log and road and I'm thinking, okay, we're not far now. And then we kept going and go and I'm like, man, how do you remember where you're going at here? It's one road, but then you got all these cut offs. We met that one logging truck, but other than that, we didn't see anybody. And it was miles and miles. Wow, this is really out there. He
said. It was remote. We had talked about that before it was like, we have no idea how remote it is until you're out there driving. And we cut off that one road and then we stopped to get water. That stream was beautiful, very crystal clear, cool. This could be That was awesome. I definitely had to drink some of that. That was pretty good. And going up to camp and then taking that little side road, I'm looking all over it. I'm I going to see something walking through the
woods. Am I going to see something open? I'm trying to watch everywhere and couldn't keep my head facing forward. It was always spinning around, trying to hold conversation and look around and try and see if there's anything. I'm seeing all these stumps and stuff around. I'm like, what's that? What's that? What's that? And we got to the campus and I was like, they're small campers, but at least they not completely covered in trees. They got a little opening. This will be good. But yeah, it's
definitely out there. I don't think I've ever been that far out away from civilization. I've been a lot of places. My dad lived in an old school bus out but I think it was Pennsylvania. He used to go out and stay out there for a week at a time and come home on weekends. I thought that was remote, but he was only five miles from town. This was way out there. Yeah. I got a little worried when we lost cell reception about thirty miles before we hit that turn off on that
logging road. We were completely dead in the water. At that point. I knew we had this star link out there in base camp where we were headed. But man, I tell you, I've tried to convey that to people on the show. When I've talked about it with Wayne on that Bigfoot podcast, and I've talked about it over here as a guest on other shows. Go out my experiences there. I have never been that deep in a remote area. We were literally eighteen miles back on this logging road that we
were on where base camp was. There is absolutely nobody out there. The first thing that went through my mind, of course, I was skeptical going into this. I just felt like I was going to be hoaxed. While I was there. I had these conversations obviously with Todd and Kywa while we were there. Since then, even I just had this feeling that I was going to experience some things that we're going to be people running around in the
woods until I got to base camp. And the second we drove in there and I saw those campers, I said, there is no frickin way there is anybody else out here besides us. There's one way in, one way out, and you're going to hear people. That's the thing. We did have people coming and going. As Todd and Ashley would come into base camp, we could hear them coming. We'd hear the vehicle, we heard Jason, which well, I want to talk about Jason a little bit here.
Shortly you're there and you hear these people coming in, we go meet them. It's Todd, Ashley, it's Jason. But that was one of the questions that people kept asking me before I'd start to get into my experiences and some of the things we experienced up there, was how do you know it wasn't somebody running around in the woods beaten on a tree that Todd was paying to be up there. I'm like, no, dude, you'd have to see it to understand it. That. I guess seeing is always believing when
it comes to that stuff. I talked about this in my book. I did an entire chapter about our experiences there. With me, you, Kyle, Todd, and Ashley some of the things that we saw and experienced there. But let's start walking through chronologically for you, some of the experiences that you had once we got to base camp, once we got settled in that night, and then when the experiences started. Let's just go down that road. What was that experience like for you? What were you experiencing that could
possibly be Sasquatch related. Yeah, when we first got there, we got everything in the camper and I was like, man, this isn't going to be all that come. So I had that little tiny bunk in the bathroom. I had to sit down and then lay on my back and then pull my legs to my knees to my chest and swing my feet up and over to get in and then try and get in a sleep in the bag. But once I got in there, it wasn't too bad. We walked walked
around out there. Kyle took us out and he was showing us tree brikes. I wanted to get out there. I wanted to do the hike. I was so looking forward to the hike up the mountain with Jason. I was like, that ain't going to come quick enough. I want to get going. I want to hike. I was dying to get out there. I just wanted to hike the whole time we're there and look around, and I wanted to see everything. I wanted to explore. And Kyle made sure
we did some exploring, and he took us out there. And which way do you want to go? Where do you want to go? I'll show you this trail. I'll show you that trail after that. That's what we didn't There was nobody. If there was anybody out there, they had no clue were rooming in the areas that we went. There was no way anybody could have been there beforehand pre planned, because you and I we just said I want to go that way, I want to go that way. Let's
go over here, let's go over there. There was nothing anywhere except us. It was enjoyable. Let's talk a little bit about the tree breaks. That's something that I've tried to again express the people I have found to what I believe to be tree breaks and some weird structures and things here on our land, but nothing like we were seeing up there in Radium. It was insane how many tree breaks in some of these areas that we were seeing.
Can you talk a little bit about what you were seeing and your impression of the tree breaks. Do you think they were sasquatch related? Do you think that it's possible that some of those were natural. Yeah, a lot of the ones who looked at Kyle was helping us go through what they felt was natural, what they thought was sasquatch. By the way they were broken, the direction they were all seemed to be pointing right out a logging road a trail. Deer don't do that. I've seen where deer got their hip.
Ones tangled up and Kyle showed us where a caribou or a moose or whatever was up there. And on that one trail we walked and it just shredded it. And these weren't like that. The branches weren't broke, they were nice what they call clean breaks. I mean, I've been in lugging most of my life, ever since i was like five years old. You know, when they cut trees and they snapped. While the trees off, they weigh, they splinter, and the way they split these were nothing like that.
And the ones that really got me were the ones that were really high up in the air at ten twelve fourteen feet. I was like, oh my god, another tree didn't come down and hit it. Snowload should have taken the smaller ones around it. There's just so much as compared to where they were and what was around them and what wasn't around them, that made them so interesting. We would have had to have a heck of a time just to climb the tree to look at it. Some of them there were
huge trees. They don't usually do that. I've got trees in my backyard that the liddled were down. They snapped off like eight ten feet and they peeled the bark off, so they're splintering like crazy, and there's pieces all over the place. And we didn't see any of that when we're out there. These tree brakes were in the middle of nowhere, pointing right towards the trail we had come off. Some of them are right near the road. It was fascinating. I know, you and I both were eyeing them things
like crazy. Every time we turned around, We're walking into one. Yeah, they're everywhere in the foot plants that the alleged What were we joking? I was always saying, it's an impression. It is an impression, right, they were everywhere, and in that spang of moss up there. I've tried to for people that aren't familiar with that and don't have that in the area that they're in. We don't have that here in North Carolina. There's
some mossy places here and there, but nothing like there. It's that spongy. If you've seen Discovering Bigfoot the documentary, you've seen some of that, because that's the same thing that doctor Meldrum and bendro Nagel they were looking at that Todd was showing them around. It's that same sort of thing, and these things were pretty easy to spot it, at least for me. We saw quite a few footprints. Were you just as impressed with the footprints as
I was? Well, Yeah, that one huge track that was close to camp that cops showed us, that was pretty impressive. All the other ones we saw. You were spotting a lot passion than I was. My eyes just couldn't figure out with the leaves and stuff until I got close. I was more looking at for structures and tree breaks. I was trying to look for prince, but you always seem to do to find the prince, and I was finding the tree breaks. Yeah, we made a pretty good team.
I remember, or help me remember here. I don't know if it was the first day or the second day. When we took the e bikes out for the first time and we were leaving camp. That was the first time that I felt like we were having some sort of an interaction. If you will, can you talk a little bit about that, what you heard and what was your impression about when we heard those sounds for the first time.
We got the e bikes and you and I had no clue how to run into things or use them, so that was pretty interesting to get figured. Mine kept giving me a hard time, but yeah, we got ready to go down the pork Pine trail. We had played around by the campers with them a little bit, and that Kyle was going to take us down the Porcupine trail. There. We got up by that little intersection and all of a sudden, we all stopped because we had heard the woodnock And you
said, was that a wouldnot? Because yep, sure it was. So we're the list of it, and we heard another one. It's no that campy, it's broad daylight. It's crazy. So we were just sitting there and we're like, we're waiting, and you were like, if well I hear another one, we're going to go take a walk. And it was nothing, and I was like, man, And the thing that got me was where the campers were and where we were. Where we kept hearing all
that noise to the campfire sitting out there. It was all across the porcupine trail in that one general direction, and I kept wanting to go there. I kept wanting to go there, and we never went and I crossed over into that natural, unlogged, untouched area. We kept going everywhere else, and I kept looking over there and I was like, everything's coming from there,
why aren't we going over there? And then we finally did at the end of everything, and that's when we found that big structure and I was like, I knew there was something over here. I did take Kyle over there once because I thought I heard something. I said, I want to walk in there. And we'd walked in there a little bit and I kept walking around in circles and looking around and didn't really see much or anything.
I said, all right, let's go back to camp. But Kyle and I had just wandered off by our arms a few minutes there because I just had a feeling that if something was out there and I wanted to go check it out. But I think that Todd and Ashley were there at the time, and you were talking with Todd and Nashley, and I just said to Kyle, let's go, I want to go over there. We didn't find anything, but it was still that I wanted to go deeper in there,
but we never got there till that last day we went in there. Boy, that was so much fun on those e bikes. Once we figured America, we got going and Kyle took us on some crazy trails. The views and the water and that gully with the bridge that was just so awesome. Some of the best natural beauty I have ever seen in my life. Being out in that area and just taking the e bikes out and having a blast doing forty miles an hour down a hill on an e bike is pretty exhilarating.
Man. It was a beautiful time. Let's talk a little bit about what happened at night. There was a couple of nights. I think we had the one night before Todd and Ashley got out there that you and I and Kyle were sitting around the fire. We weren't having a hole a lot of stuff going as far as Bigfoot, but we sure shit had some things going on in the sky. I've talked a little bit about that on other shows. Can you talk a little bit about some of the things that we
were seeing in the night sky that night. I mean, it was a nice clear night that night, and it was pretty coold. We were all pretty much standing right next to the firewood, turning in our backs to it to warm up, and then turned back around the warm up the front, and we saw a shooting star and then we started seeing either way, what is that? There was a plane, You could tell them the plane.
It was low compared to what we were seeing later. And then that one shooting star came across and exploded, and it looked like fireworks that came directly from the side of and it made no noise. That's what fascinated me. It was just like a boom, but there was no noise. It just exploded and to all these sparkly things and it was just crazy and then disappeared. And then we started noticing way up there and people said, oh, it's just a plane. No, these things were way farther away. Than
any plane I've ever seen. They were all over the place, crossing. We were watching the one there's zigzagging, and they were moving fast. You watch a plane go over and you could sit there and watch you with your eyes. These things were moving so fast. Shoot, lose them. We were losing them, and they're like, where'd that go? It was just there and then from another direction, and then we thought those were going to collide at one point and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll be
right back. After these messages. It was just fascinating. I was like, yeah, they are definitely not playing. They're not satellites. People say, oh, there's satellites. I don't think I've ever occurred or seen a satellite move most of it. When I look outside here, I know it's a satellite and it just sits there. And every night I take my dog out of and I look up at it and I know it's a satellite. It's not moving, it's in the same spot. It's not a star.
So yeah, there's no way that if there's that many satellites up there they're moving that fast. Our technology is way more in advanced than they're letting us know. Yeah. When I first started talking about that experience, that's what I was getting emails about. Oh dude, you were just seeing satellites, that's all it was. It wasn't UFOs. It was all satellites. That's
what they do. And They're sending me all this stuff on satellites and I'm like, no, man, these things were moving I've estimated a couple of thousand miles an hour at least, and then I watched one with the binoculars go straight up and stop and make a left hand ninety degree turn on a dime. No satellite is going to do that. Nothing's going to do that that I'm aware of that we have the technology to fly on our own would be able to do that and make some ninety degree turn from a dead stop
from two thousand miles an hour. It was some of the crazy shit I've ever seen. Man. We had a lot of experiences that I took away from that, but that was one of the wildest experiences I think I've ever had. I saw a UFO from pretty close up when I was sixteen, and this was nothing like that. I felt like I was watching something that I wasn't supposed to see and that very few people ever get the opportunity to see. It was almost like a Sasquatch siding for me in a way.
Obviously it wasn't a sasquatch siding. That same elation and that feeling I think I would have had I had a sasquatch encounter and a siding. I think that's what I walked away with after that night. You did come out of the trailer at one point in time during the night and have an encounter. I've shared that on the YouTube channel in another places, but this is the
first time you've been on here to tell your encounter face to face. So why don't you take us back to what you were doing and what was going on that night when you had your encounter. Yeah. So I'd get up probably two or three times a night to have to go outside and use a little tree out there. And I always slept from my back to the window because knowing we were in the Sasquatch area, I was like, I do not want to wake up from a dead sleep and the face to face eyebobble,
eyeballt with one of these things peering net at me. So I slept with my back to Linda and whenever I woke up, I was facing into the camper and I would roll my head around and look around because the front of the camper where Kyle was, he was surrounded by nothing but windows. So I got to look around to make sure nothing was peeking in before I
even got out of that bone. And then when I did it, I peeked around the corner with the little wall there over the table, and I'd looked and I looked towards the back of the camper to that little intersection. I'd search the woods. I wanted to see maybe something sneaking around. I
can get a sighting, and I want to see someone walking by. Also, I don't want to walk out and run into that bear that they were worried about so much while we were there, because Todd said he was a pretty big bear, and I was like, yeah, I don't want to run into him, especially up there. Don't want to do that, So
I'm going to look around. I took him minute, and I would scan the whole area around all the windows, from the back of the camper to the front and even towards your camper, just to make sure there was nothing between Before I went out and the camper door on our camper was pretty noisy. The screen door was like cock eyed and attached to the main door, so you had to kick the bottom of the door to get the door open.
The screen door and the door, so it made a lot of noise or anything that was out there was going to be gone or at least know I was coming. I looked around and I said, Okay, no bears, I'm going out. So I'd go out. And I walked over by the fire pit, which was what probably thirty feet from the camper, somewhere
in there. I went just to the right event there's a bunch of little trees there, and I was going and I'd been there multiple times, multiple nights, because like I said, I'd get up to her three times a night, and I happened to look in this one spot. But I always scanned around while I was going, because I Kyle had his experience right there and other people right around camp, so I was always scanning while I was
standing there, and my eye caught that one spot. And it's like when you look at something every day, say you're looking at you you go out one your sea beer deal every day and some pitch says something looks different. What is that? I just saw a dark mass. It wasn't moving, and I was like, maybe it's just a light. I'm looking around. I squatted down, I stood up, I moved over and moved around,
and I said, it's not movement. I can't see past. I can't see you around the edges of it to see if there's light behind her. Now, So so I'm gonna sometimes when you if you look at it, deuce sees you, and you turn away, and then you look back. They move when you turn away. So I looked back at the camper and I looked back and it was still there. And I said, it's not a bear, because if there was, I'd be gone by now. That thing would have had me. You'd be talking about Kyle's dad dropped molded by
a bear. He's no longer with us, instead of you had an experience. So I started walking towards it. I don't know why I decided to walk towards it. I guess in my mind, I still thought it was this light player shadow play. And I walked probably another five or ten feet, and then I stopped and I was like, common sense said, don't go any further. Just go back, and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna look. So I backed up and then I turned around and
just walked in and got in the camper. I said, when Kyle gets up, all I have know what I saw. And that's what I did. I went back in the camp later on when I got up, and then I got a carle up and I told him what happened, and he's showed me. So took him out there and we got you there, and I showed him and he walked down and off that and I said, I thought that was the trail, but the trail went to the right of that little tree and then went down to the left of that tree behind that.
I didn't even realize it was a great big hole. Kyle stepped down in there, and as soon as he walked in that one spot and I said, right there, I said, the top of your head was about where he goes, there's a great big hole here. So I walked to the edge and looked down and I was like, wow, that is a big hole. It was probably what four feet deep something like that. It actually
blocked off part of where the trail was. I said, what's at the bottom of the hole was that a footprint, and he looked down and he said, sure, it looks like it. And that's when we all went over and looked at it, and there was definitely two impressions in there, and then Kyle found what we looked to be two more coming out of there. So that's when it hit me that I saw it. It's not the sighting I wanted, but I saw it because the way I see it,
if it's leaving Prince, it has to be real. If you see a bear track in the woods, but if you don't see the bear, does that mean it doesn't exist. It has to It left the Prince. The hunters followed deer tracks and bear tracks. Just because you don't see it. You see a great, big, huge print, you're like, man, that's a big one. Has to be real. It left Prince, it has to be real. That really got me. I really wanted to stay out there, and I wanted to push even harder just to get a better
joint. I was quite happy with my sighting. Exactly what you described is what we found. It was a huge hole. So this thing must have been massive for you to see what you saw of it from where it was standing, and there was two large impressions. What would be I would consider shoulder with the part for one of these things standing in the perfect place to look a at you, but could stood there entire night, for any of
the nights that we were out there and watched us around the campfire. It was the perfect advantage point for these things to come in and watch from a distance. We would never know they were there because to say the words pitch dark out there is an understatement. It was zero dark thirty because there's no ambient light out there. There's no light pollution at all. We didn't use headlamps and flashlights and shit like that when we were out It was just the
campfire and us. Those things could have easily been standing there watching us the whole time. We did have some wood knocks, We had some vocalizations. I don't know if you heard what I've said to be like samurai chatter that I know Ashley and I heard, and I think Kyle might have heard it that we were hearing sitting around the camp I did catch a little bit of
that on audio. I have not released it because Todd was of course talking over it when it happened, so it's just a little bit of it that we heard, but we did have a lot of crazy stuff going on. I tell you, one of the things that has out to me right up there with all the strange lights and what I believe to be UFOs that we saw, was the night we went on the night walk. Can you talk a little bit about that and what that was like for you from your vantage
point that experience. Oh man, we were sitting around the campfire and Tod we should go for a night walk. Who's up, everybody's yet, Let's go. I was like, I'm not going to be sitting by myself. I had to go put another jacket on because all of a sudden, I was just shaking so crazy. And I don't know if it was the adrenaline. I didn't feel threatened anything like that. It was just I felt like it was excitement. But we put our jackets on and we walked up and
we met in that little intersection. Then we were getting ready to do our walk down through and Todd was talking to us and I was shaken uncontrollably. My chest. It just felt like my shoulders were being squeezed right tight. It was hard to breathe and it hurt, and I was like, oh man, why I'm trying to loosen up? And I was so cold there. I was like it was just crazy, and I'm like, why am I feeling I'm not scared. I don't feel scared. I'm still going.
I'm not staying. There's no way, I said, if anything's going to happen, and as I want to be part of that, Todd and Kyle
go on front. I walked behind Kyle because I could just make out the back to Kyle because it was, like you said, super dark and we had no lights, we didn't want to use any legs, and I was just trying to watch Kyle and I kept getting back between the legs with these little tiny trees that were in the trail, and I was like, no, come, Kyle's not walking around these, and why isn't he saying anything to me? There must be paypack for all the time when I kept smacking
him with branches because he was following too close. I was trying to watch him, and I was trying to watch Todd, and I was trying to stay next to you so that we were all together. I started getting my vision, my night vision at least, so you could see a little bit and then I started spotting these little trees and I was trying to walk around them and step over the sticks. And then Tod's like, they're watching us,
and I'm like, oh, and I'm trying to look around. I didn't want to walk into Kyle. Yeah, everybody stopped, and I'm still walking some I'm trying to stop. Then we got all the way down in there to that one opening and He's like, we're gonna sit down. I didn't hear that. What are we doing? And cous like, oh, we can sit down okay, and You're like, nah, I don't feel comfortable doing that. And then Todd went and sat down and come on,
it's over here. So we walked down just a little bit when and Kyle sat down and said, up, all right, if everybody's sitting down, I guess we're sitting down. And I think you and Ashley kept wandering around a little bit and you finally sat down. We just sat down and we heard that one little wood knock a little while later, and it was like then it was dead silent. There was nothing like Okay, that must have done a goodbye. So we had it back at once. We sat down
and it was after that woodknock. I totally relaxed. I wasn't shaking. My chest loosened right up and I was comfortable, and I was like, this is cool. Can we do some work. And we had it back up to the camp and then sat around the fire somewhere and just talked and talked a lot of that night because there was nothing else to do. We had no salt services, no tps out there, there's no radio, there's nothing, and it was nice to to chat with you the stories and all
the experiences, and it was just phenomenal. I loved it. I'd love to do it again. Yeah, it was a great time, man. And some of the stuff that we heard, the whoops that we heard, the wood knocks that we heard, I have never experienced before or since. I've talked about Jason being up there and that whole I think the second or third day we were there is when we walked up. We did the hike with Jason because he was going up to Ascend Radium and he was going to
spend ten days out in the bush by himself. I've had people say to me, oh, you had this other guy up there. It had to be him in the woods doing all the things that you guys were hearing. We did have Jason scheduled at two times. We've had to reschedule for different reasons. I'm going to try to get him back on the show, get him scheduled to come and talk about his experiences. But just for the record, you were there. It's not just me now. You were there.
You saw where Jason was in relation to where we were. What do you think? This is obviously your opinion. I'm asking for what is the chances of any of the stuff that we were hearing or experiencing being Jason doing any of that stuff while he was there and we were there? Absolutely zero? Because you and I and Kyle hiked him up there, and that was an awesome hike. It was far, it was steep, and Kyle knows I
got to be in the lead. I tried my best to stay in the lead the whole way up, but he was a brutal backpack was super heavy, and I carried some of the food to help him out because he just had no more room. His pack was so full. We hiked up there and we watched him hype up from where we stopped, and we all wanted to go with him. We stashed some food for him so he'd have it on the way back, but we watched him hike up there and there's no way, and then to hike back down, There's no way he was going
to keep up with us coming back down with that pack that heavy. We watched them for probably fifteen minutes hike up and watched them hike up. You videotaped them hike him up. After we took pictures and struck our hands in the ice water and got drinks and did all that and chatted a little bit, and then he headed up there, and yeah, there's no way. Can you see I thought the same thing when I saw Tayson. I'm like, oh, that's convenient. Personally, I don't think is that Todd hoaxed
anything. I don't know about way back when. I just know from when I met him from that point on, Todd when he came to New York through Kyle, because Kyle talked about him a lot, and then he came up and I went over to visit with him over at Kyle's. But yeah, there's no way Jason could have got back down and done that because the only way to get to where we were was, like you said, you had to drive in, and even if you walked in, you had to
walk past the camper. If you went through the woods, you're really roughing it. And you would have seemed like is you're not walking through those which with no light to get around to where because that was all that natural stuff that had never ever been cut. Where we found that major tree structure, just walking to that point. If the rest of the woods is like that, there's no way. We were in broad daylight. We had trouble. We were tripping and we were falling, we were scrambling up over things,
and there was just no way. So let's talk about that. Let's close out there, let's talk about it was the last day that we were there. We're getting ready to close everything down, and we'd go out and we just decided to take this impromptu walk in the woods. And again it's all of us, It's me, you, Todd, Kyle, Ashley. We just started in this direction and start going right, and then, like you said, we ended up in this old growth forest, one of the coolest
areas that we had. Frankly, I feel like we got to see while we were there. Then we walk up on and find this huge tree structure. Can you talk a little bit about how we found it, what it looked like to you, and what your impression was from seeing that. Yeah, we had hiped in there and you had asked, time, have you ever been over here? Todd's I've never been anywhere in this area, So
you were like, let's go this way, why don't we go? So we heard it started going there, and then we started seeing tree breaks. After we had scrambled over these hues deadfall that were laying there and tripped it over for everything and looking around and listening. We stopped for a while and listened, and then we're looking at all those tree breaks, and then you
noticed a couple of tree breaks. Todd was looking at something. You and I walked in a different direction a little bit, and you spotted a tree break. And then I was walking around and I looked up and I saw that one tree, the first tree leaning that one big leaner, and I was like, looked at it and I go, that's weird. And then you walked up. We're like, hey, Todd, I was like, that's not natural. There's no way there's three of them. We're looking up.
There's no branches on that. If a tree falls, the branches don't fall off first. And then we walked around and saw the second one, and then the third one. It's great, big tree breaks around it, another small one. I got really excited when he saw it. I was looking at the video that we took with Odds standing next to the base of that one, and he's what six foot maybe a little bigger, And I'm looking at this tree and I'm looking up that thing had to be eighty to
one hundred feet tall. That wasn't sixty foot. That was way bigger than that, because that was way more than ten times the size of them. The way they all matched up. That doesn't happen naturally. Loggers can't even do that. There was no tree stump, there was nothing that I had been caught. Everything was a natural broken off except for the tree breaks. Everything that was laying down there, you could see where it broken off the
stone. There's all natural stuff except for those three. I know. We spent a lot of time walking around and checking the north south east west thing and the tree breaks around it, older stuff that was around it. I was just completely fascinated by that. I just wanted to stay there. I really wanted because you had the north south, and then you had that one odd log the third one. I was thinking, if you got north south to me, that's saying, okay, this is your compass. Now this
third one is the direction you want to go. That's just the way I was looking at it. I wanted to go that way. I want to go farther in there. I want to see what's out there. We're looking around that. There's no roup buls with those trees where they were picked up, shoved up there and precise that doesn't happen natural, and there was no luging going on there. Ever. I've had people say so many things to me about there's a lot of Native American activity in there. They could have
done that for whatever reason. It could be loggers. I'm like, look, man, you'd have to see it to understand it. I posted video that's self explanatory. You can see what's around. You can see there's been no equipment in there. I don't know how Native American or any other group of men could lift these trees up and place them on this tree. Like
you said, they're eighty feet long and twelve fourteen inches in diameter. Those things are heavy, even if they're dead and they've been around for a while. It's heavy. I don't know how you would do it, man. I really left that just scratching my head. The do North, the do South, the area that it was in, just the whole totality of the circumstances. It really sold me that it was something unusual. I can't obviously say that it was Sasquatch that made it, but it was something unusual that
we experienced. I experienced a lot of that, just as you did. While we were there. There was a lot going on that week. I walked away feeling like I live interacted with Sasquatch a couple of times, didn't get to see one. Overall, I felt like I had a better understanding of that area. I had a better understanding of the research that Todd and Kyle and Ashley have been doing there and some of the other people that come up there. And I don't feel like we were hoaxed in any way,
shape, form or fashion while we were there. I think everything that happened was something that I can't explain could possibly be related to Sasquatch experiences. I don't know how did you feel? What's the final word for you on radium. How did you feel about the entire experience. I think you've already answered this, but would you do it again if you had an opportunity And stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Oh. Absolutely, I would love to go up there. I wish I could go up there every single time that Kyle's up there and just spend time with him and just do what he's doing. If I wasn't tied down to everything I got going on. I'm aggravated that I live in the Catskill Mountain. It's still the mountains, and I want to get out there. I took Kyle to a tree break I had found years ago when I was
hunting and I had said something to Kyle. I said, I never really thought about it, but there's a tree break up on the mountain behind our house. We just got up and hiked up. It's like a four and a half by mile hike, and he goes, you remember where it is? I'm like, really, I know that was six hundred eighty acres of private property that I been hunting on, clearing the logging trails, hiking,
just exploring. Since I was a teenager. I found a metal box that had been missing since the sixties with eighty five sticks that dynamite in it that nobody could ever find. And I found it because i'd every part of that. You could drop me off there in the middle of the night when blindfold on, and since I take the blindfold off, I know where I'm at. I took them right to the tree break. It was small, it wasn't very tall. It's only six books, but the stuff that was around
it, there was no way that it did it. Man, I just assumed it was a deer. We still think it possibly could have been, because it was sold. It was hard to tell. Yeah, that trip up to radio, just everything that happened to, all the experiences we had, the wood knocks, that sounds, the apples rocks, just everything that we encountered and saw and heard and talked about. Todd's stories and Kyle's stories
and ashing stories. I just wanted to do it more. I just got no time to get out there, and it drives me nuts because I want to do it. I want to get out there. I wanted to go to some of the big Foot festivals. I know you're going to a lot of them, and I saw the head for your book and you mentioned that in the back was a RD code and I had a lot of video Kyle and I on it. I said, yep, pre order, yep. Ordered. Now I'm just waiting and I keep looking at them every day.
I checked the mail, like my bookeet my book it. I'm dying to see that. I want to read it. That was the trip of a lifetime. Like you said, I just wish I could do it every year. I definitely agree, man, And I couldn't have thought of two better people to spend the majority of my time with. And you and Kyle, you guys made the trip worthwhile. And I had a true blast with you. Man. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences with us.
Yeah. Absolutely, you know. I was just looking forward to this and I'm actually leaping to go to Virginia tonight. So I got a long trip ahead of me. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want to be out there. Step child, this child, that child, everything. Can you ride back right back? Joy for me? Joy staying right there? You come it right away? Still st story they used to do Donock dot dot dots still stasstsss used these things