Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you
what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. They have eight different shows on all sorts of exciting topics such as bigfoot, cryptids, UFOs, aliens, and much more. I even have my own show called Weird Encounters, where I talk about all things strange. This is more than just a podcast network.
It's a community that allows me to meet so many amazing people who share their stories and experiences with strange. If you're interested in hearing more of these stories and learning more about the paranormal and encryptids, make sure you check out the Untold Radio Network for all kinds of exciting shows. It's free to subscribe. So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork dot com Today. Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor
Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Audisen. Hey dare welcome back to sasquatch Otis. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you had a great week. We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you give me a Brian at Parinomoral Productions dot com. Can head over to the website and check it out, become remember
there and help support this show. Several months back, I got to sit down and talk to Robert Leiderman from the Bluff Creek Project, And in addition to talking about tons of things that have to do with the Patterson Gimlin film site and all the things that the Bluff Creek Project have done and are continuing to do, Robert starts talking about his time when he was a park ranger and he was doing bigfoot talks and investigating some bigfoot activity out in the area
where he was working. I'll let Robert tell you all about that in just a moment. Really quickly, listen up. If you're listening on Apple podcast, the latest update of the iOS I think it's seventeen something whatever new version of iOS did an update and it changed the way that podcasts are handled an Apple podcast, So you have to make sure that you hit the automatic download button first and foremost, make sure you're following the show. Hit that automatic
download button so that the podcast episodes automatically download to your phone. Otherwise it's not going to do that, and you're not going to get the notifications when the new episodes drop. And wherever you're listening Spotify, any of the podcast platforms, make sure you follow the show, hit that notification, Beil, hit whatever it is that gives you the automatic downloads, so that you know that the show is there every time I drop an episode, because you never
know when that's going to happen. And now for that, I know you guys are ready to get into it. Robert's on the line, he's ready to go. All this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show. It is Robert Leiderman. Welcome to the show. Man. Hey, thanks appreciate it. I'm glad to have you. I know we've been trying to put this together forever, so I'm glad you're finally here. Let's get
right into it. Let's talk about this Sasquatch thing. I start the same place with pretty much everybody on the show, What guy you interested in the subject? To begin with? Yeah, that's like a million dollar question you ask a lot of people. And when I get asked that question a lot, I have to try to remember what I said last time. All that challenge of that you go, he didn't say that last time. But it's interested because based on who you're talking to and what comes up in the subject
matter and the memories sort. I was a kid. I think the first really scary movie I'd seen in terms of Bigfoot was scortch Legend of Boogie Creek. Some people say it's Boggy Creek, but I'm from California, so just however it comes out. We're a driving movie theater, and I remember being pretty scared about it. I'm trying to remember how old I was it could
have been ten or whatever. It's like I had to go to the bathroom and it was like I had to make it to the car to where the bathroom procession was was basically over by the the movie projection booth was We're away in the farther back, so I had to make it there. There's plenty of lights, but some people aren't too familiar with a driving movie theater, so I always have that disclaimer there that it's an oh big asshall, open area with a bunch of burms, and you park your car on to burn
you angle it towards the screen at the far end. I had to go really bad, so I made it there. But unfortunately it just happened to be after the scene if you remember it, and the screen and reaches for him and then they show them that they cut to him his pants halfway down. He's trying to run. I left an impression I got us pretty scary, but that kind of started going. Now. My dad he was always into cryptids, ghosts, all straight stuff. So I blame everything I have
on my dad because it's his fault. He got me started on that an applestone fall very far as you probably know, my dad ran around with the camera all the time. Film and everything that kind of got me started in my major research really didn't start until probably tell about college. I know that comes up a lot. People said I saw the patters in film and I was sold. I didn't see it at first. I wasn't that concerned. I didn't remember because I tried to think about this, What was the first
time I saw the Patterson film. I don't know if you remember the first time you saw it, but I got to thinking about that question. I think I was right before I started Humboldt State and studying recreation resource management, more time in the library, in the archival room, which is like the third floor with all the historical documents. There's everything there, pictures, stories,
Native American culture. So I started doing on index cards. And it wasn't until I started working at the parks that I started using those index cards and putting together an interpretive program about Bixfoot, because one of our jobs as
the ranger was to interpret the natural cultural histories. Giving campfire presentations, which is you got a fire burning, you welcome to visitors, get them there for an hour and a half, You tell stories, answer questions, and then you have a presentation, you give either a storytelling session or a slide presentation. They did one on Bigfoot. It was fun. People liked it.
After every program, people would come up to me and they look over their shoulder of maation and Els is there, and they start telling me about these experiences they've had, and then of course they asked me if I had any and we appreciate you doing it. It was great. I had a stack of tabloid magazines. Some people might not know what those things are. If you go shop in a safeway, they're right there, grab a couple off there. They're like research material, like the Men in Black that those
were the hot sheets, all the latest crazy things. That's where you go. So what I did is I laminated on my stand up comedy act. Was basically just to over the stories and all these things, which is fun because when you're in a public place, as you know, if you've been there yourself, you're in a public position. Everything you say will be used against you later. My opinions are my opinions, and when you're working for the government, you do what you're supposed to do. So my opinions were
kept back, but I would make fun of everything I could. Whenever chance I got, I had people drop it in on my program to make sure it's not a propaganda film. Oh no, it was just making fun of these things. It was okay. So I did that for a few years before the infamous day when a John Fridays showed up. It was a humble Redwood State Park. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but so the third largest state park in the California system. It's a Humble county.
It's eighteen thousand acres of ancient forest. It's pretty good sized. The whole park's about fifty three thousand, and I had the pleasure to work there for many years. Enjoyed it. But it also has some history. You have some encounters there. But I was just showing my presentation for it, and so the fun part about that is you get to talk about it, talk to people afterwards. And then I started getting more and more people explaining things
to happen. So I got involved with talking to people about it. Now we're getting the mister Fredis nineteen ninety nine. It was I would say it's early September. It's a when Lebne Weekend shows her out, so he shows up. I get this call Robert, this guy watch to ask some questions. So I go down there and I meet up with this gentleman. He's an investigator out of Delmore County. He's with this group called the BFRO.
They Fulfilled your research organization. They're out about looking for Bigfoot. He has some questions for you. So I chatted with him and he told me that there was a siding in the park that last August and that they had come up to investigate it. They found some interesting things, and they also wanted to know John Fredis wanted to know if he could broadcast these alleged Bickwood calls out of his ship speaker at the Willock Creek Museum, the China Flat Bigfoot
Museum. That speaker sitting there in the archival room in the back. It's pretty good size. It's just befurrol on it. He had that hooked up in the back of his pickup truck. And his major thing he's done was call blast. What we used to do in the old days is we get these speaker systems and we have these allegens of the Ohio scream. You have to seer a sound, you have a bunch of others. Baby crying. Those are interesting primate sounds. So you went broadcast those on speaker systems just
like all over the place. Some of those systems were pretty good. A mile away, you're hearing some stuff. We can't let people do that in the parks because A it's a busy holiday weekend, one of three busy holiday weekends. B. We have organisms that say thou shalt not do that. Now, we had the marble mill and then they spotted out with that nest
in the ancient force of that area. There are rules that say you can't be doing certain sounds between April between sixteen October two in that period nesting time period. So everything was pointing against him. So I encouraged him to go somewhere else to do that. But I saw the write up later. I think Fred has sent me a copy or a link, because he sent me links with hissing sound programs, Mission Night's Scream. I think it was that
he was doing. He had Mission ice Scream one, Mission Ice Cream two. I got to see some of his work and that was interesting, and that was after he came to visit. But he also saw the article they put up on the bfrol about their investigation. But it wasn't like this guy allegedly said this and this might have happened. It was like, yeah,
Bigfoot was here. He said this and that and this. So I decided the first chance I was going to get was going to take one of my my part gates that worked with me, and she was pretty good at track She went to the Brown School tracking so she was certified trackers. So I said, well, let's go look for these things. Based on the photographs they gave us. They had pictures of a snag tree. They had pictures of a few things, but weured out where the location was based on the
picture alone. So just to recap the report, it was basically as a father was camping in late August with his son at Burlington Campground. They had crossed the bridge to the other side, which would be west of the Hill River. They got to one point where the dad noticed his son's shoe was untied, so he had stopped, pulled his son to tie shoe, and while he was waiting, he was just looking around and up the hillside.
He reported something naked from moist up harry moving back and forth through the view shed and then it had stopped and started scratching his back, so he got all excited about it, and then he got the clear. They went back to camp and then they came back later the check and son nothing never went up the hill but saw it. But the trial system is basically, the river's on your left when they were traveling and on the right as the hillside
goes up and it's forced it over. It's a second gross with some old GROLLD mixtent transitional forest and there's some stumps where the harps are red with trees. Before it was a part great view shed. I decided with my park Gay to go, let's go investigate it ourselves. So sometime and I think it was late September, we got a chance to do it. We went
up there and had to look around, and we found it. We walked up the hill and then the process of doing this, I would go up the hill and my park would be down there and we're trying to match the photo. Right, you got to get the right angle, and th this has got to be the trees. This is it. We thought that was fun because this was like a crime scene investigation. You're like, oh, let's figure this out, you know, we know the elements we're looking for
evidence, or we're looking at angles. The distance they had was an estimated distance. They said, I can't remember what it was now. So we went up there and I said, how about now? How about now? Can you read? Now? Can see me? They ask you? What part of me can you see? So we finally got to the point where we found a spot, and then we're looking around and what I found was a large redwood stump I want to say, maybe ten foot diameter or a little bit less, and it was all burnt. But then they had this
green moss growing on it and some liking. So we're looking at it and I'm looking around. I go, this is probably the spot. So I look down. I see there's this little strap to a camera. The ones, the cheap cameras, they kind of look in this one obviously fallen off was laying on the ground. And then I saw a cigarette but and fred As smokes. I got the evidence he was here, and I remember what banding smoke. But there was I go, this has got to be the
spot. So we're looking around and I'm looking at the stump. I go, maybe this is it. So I'm standing in front of it, and she's down the hill trying to match up. She says, yeah, I can just see this almost your upper body. Not a lot, but I can see a little bit of that. I go, okay, that's good. That fits the description. And then I walked over to the side. I go, what about now, because yeah, I can see you moving a little bit. I go, this is our stump. So I looked
at it. I rubbed my finger across it, and what happened was it took off the green moss that was growing on it. Even though it's burnt over, it's charcoal, and it rubs off real easy. I'm like, well, where's the rub marks? Right? So I'm let's check it out. There are no rub marks of this. Nothing has rubbed against the stuff. Why would they say it's here? And then matches the debut? Shit, there's got me more to this. So the signing took place about mid
August. Mid August. What happens in Humble County and then the redwood environments is the leaves the trees start replacing their needles, so you get a lot of duff around August through September, and by October they're not deciduous. But the trees only retain their leaves for so long before they replace them. A good time to replace it is, after all, a long hot summer. They don't need these things, so they get rid of them, right, which is the way it goes. They keep all their leaves, but they
just replace them back and forth. So this was covering up any tracks or anything. But what was there was a i'll say a game trail section where you can see something would go and it would pad you down, but you can't see foot impressions. All you know is that the duff had been impacted to a point where this is an obviously active game trail. I'm looking at
that perspective of it. It goes around the stump and I look over to the left, which is if I'm looking uphill, it's to the left, and there's a spur section that kind of goes that way, which if you took a gennel on the outdoors, when game follows trails, there's gonna be a little slight feris would they like to walk a up at least these three rabbit trees about a foot in diameter and the younger rabbit trees, and so when you look at these trees, there's three of the tronango, but one
of them in the front had the surface area looked like it was rubbed against. And I looked at it closely about a foot off the ground, it was not rubbed. Then from that point up six more feet it was rubbed, and then above that point it wasn't rubbed. So I'm looking at this and something obviously had rubbed against this. And I looked at the other trees and at the trees did not have that. It was just this one. So this is the favorite rub tree. So I looked at it, and
I don't recall seeing any hair fibers. I didn't take my microscope out of my MiG fine glass and check it out. I didn't see anything sticking out. It's you just seeing redwood bark. Sometimes it looks like I'm going to digress this a second. Working at the park for years, one of the things people visitors that come, they always bring up these things, and one of them is one of the questions I got asked is what's with all the
Irish setters dead Irish setters along the edge of the road. And you probably know where I'm going with this. The Loggia trucks have redwood bark and it falls off and it's along the ground on the people driving by. I think they're dead. I said it wasster red and that almost could look like hair if you're not paying attention, just like some people think moss is hair, right, it's not. Pick a microscope check it out. So I noticed that and I got my back against and I rubbed it on my shirt and
said, yeah, this is comfortable. This has got to be the place. There's no other way to do it. The other spur went down a little bit further and then dropped off a drop box. But in order to go that way, it also had to climb over a big bush that's the probably about three foot tall. So we took pictures. I posed in my uniform or in my stets and because we're sus to wear sets and I don't know if you guys have to wear stetson's or not, or just ball caps,
but park service we had to be professional, look good. And we were stets in our post in front of this tree, and I took part of different stages of over investigation. I decided that the guy saw something. What it was, I don't know, but there's signs here that it didn't rubbed against in the stump and rubbed against the tree. So I said, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna write this up just to let those guys know that some of the information they were pushing around was not
quite accurate. So I did that. And of course you have no opinion, you're just stating the facts. And I said it, I made your phrase, got a hold of it. Guy named Matt Moneymaker got a hold of it, and the next thing I know, to get this call from this guy named Matt Moneymaker and I realized he was with the bf O. Well, yeah, that's why I want to be a curator for the BFROL. And I'm like, what does the curator do? Come to you for
advice and stuff? Seize your investigative skills. You could throw that in there and help people, Like, OK, sure, I'll do it. Because at that time I was interested in the Bigfoot stuff to a point where I was giving presentations on it. When somebody asked you, what was that day when you decided that you're going to take the red pill? And I would probably say I took that red pill when I wrote that report and they sent it to the BFROL. Matt Poulsby up and says, hey, how would
you like to be a member of the BFOL. So that's when I swallowed the red pill. That's when I was like, no turning back. Now you're on your journey. So I became a curator of the BFUR investigator. So I started following up on reports a few other things. Then, oh no, this is important because working for the government, you can relate to this. Well, do you remember that report I wrote, I talked about and I sent it to the BFROL. It ended up where somebody read it
and they were offended by it. They're offended because they pay taxes. They're not going to pay a salary to go investigate bigfoot because bigfoot doesn't exist, So why are you spending tax money investigating bigfoot? This complaint went to a supervisor in the sector farther north. They contacted my supervisor in the sector I work at. I get called into the office, get sit at the table, and I get the season to cisorder. It says that I will no
longer be using state time to researching bigfoot or giving opinions. But if you remember before that, I was actually getting paid by the State of California to give campfire presentations on the subject that were well received and liked and asked for. So here we are here he was asking me questions about it and a long behold a copy of this article shows about his desk. The people I
work with, half of them were supportive, weren't so supportive. I don't know which half put the paper on its desk, but he read through it and there was nothing incremitating whatsoever. But I still had to not use the internet for a little bit. So fast forward to I don't know six months. This show a long time ago, real scary stories. What they do is they go to different places. They have these kids, and then the interview people, and then they have this kids, go look for stuff.
Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otysey. Right back after these messages, I got a request to be paid state salary to dry in uniform with my stets in in a nice car after I washed it, to drive all the way over to Crescent City area and be interviewed about Bigfoot. There's only one catch is our department decided that there's a list of questions that you could only ask ranger
lightermen and they supposedly gave these questions to these producer people. So when it was my turn to talk, I was sitting there in my nice clean patrol car wearing my stets in driver's side. Behind me was the golden circular orb that was setting beyond the ancient redwood trees. There was an orange glow. It was sunset. It was awesome. My white car was shining orange. It was beautiful. It's like one of those shots. You're like, man,
that's awesome. And they proceed to ask me questions and I couldn't answer a single question that they asked because it was not on that list the questions I can't answer. That can as to this. But I got to watch another gentleman who's passed away that had a cast. It is being interviewed, and behind him was this golden orb that was setting down the golden rays reflecting
off the white Plasta Paris cast. It was a beautiful shot. I was listening to him talk about how he got this cast, and there were hair farbers still attached his cast. There was a foot impression he made the show. I didn't. That's okay. So I got to drive up Preston City watched a great sunset, listen to people tell stories, and then drive back. But it's funny how that works, where you're told no, and then all of a sudden you say, yeah, we want you to go talk
to them about that. I just kept getting more and more involved, followed up on reports, got tired of that, took out the point where we started doing expeditions. The dishes were getting to be an interesting thing. We had a lot of what we did ourselves, but this was the public one. This is the one where we invite the public to join the BFRO and see about the big phenomenon. So that was in two thousand and four. They were originally three that year. Actually we end up having four, but
I went to three of them. The first one that I was asked to organize, We're in the Redwoods. I got some guest speakers coming in, got a bunch of people signed up that show. I got to meet Rod moorehead. Kathy moscow Strained was one of my guests at the time. She
saw some of the stuff I was doing. She had information on the harry Man and she sent that to me, which remained anonymous at the time because another government employee worked for the government and you don't want them getting upset because you're talking about a subject matter related to archaeology, by the way. So she gave me information for it. I wrote the article, but I couldn't say who she was chask me not it was Kathy, and thank you Kathy
for that. That was a lot of work. So that was one of the other things that got involved. So she was doing evidence for me. I had more Head and Bury down there, and I'm sitting there with these guys and they're going over these Sarah sounds and now most people have heard of them by now. I'm listening to these Sarah sounds and I think we're twenty because it sounded like a bunch of guys going I'm like, oh, I
could do that. But yet he was selling these discs for ten bucks of pops, about two of them, so I was curious listen to them later and pick them apart. So he was telling all these stories and we had him probably I want to say, about twenty five people there, and there are pretty great stories and I'd love to hear these guys. I was thinking, this is ridiculous, how can that be. I haven't heard of this before. This is all new to me because I'm just getting into stuff.
I'm going to fast forward nine months. I'm now with the Shelby Cart Club BFR Expedition. Matt's organizing it. We have a special clients Shelby Cart Club, and I want to say, it's like in a February two thousand and five. We're in the Redwoods and we get these guys to show up and they are a car club, a well known one, and we have our little group mail from Yakamaz with us. Matt's a bunch of other guys. Blobo was with us too for that. So we're staging on this one area.
I want to say, it's like a Friday. So we're going into this section in the Redwoods, in the coastal areas. This has some history. So we're walking along. We're using night vision like Gen one and a half, which is you're tripping over everything. It's not as good as Gen threes. No therms, just those things. So the group behind us catches up to us because we're going like turtles. There's a lot of uneven roots of stuff. It was dangerous to walk with lights off in the dark.
You take your time, you space yourselves out, and you're trying to listen. You have clients with you, so you have a responsibility to the clients will get hurt, so you're moving them slow through catches up. Of course, the bubble is leading this group. So the interesting thing was is the old night vision stuff used a lot of infrared, so we heard them coming before we saw them. And with the night vision stuff that we did have, you could see light beams all over the place like a new movie coming
on. So they had them infrareds going and they were might as well turn flashlights on to night But they're moving through with our night vision with our devices. We could see that in the devices. So they're moving through, they catch up to us, they pass us up. We're like, oh, go ahead, we'll wait. And then about ten minutes later, the radios come alive and sounds like they're being overrun. Everyone's talking over everybody else,
and they're all excited. What happened was while they were at the end of this walk, they're moving along and they started hearing k nooks. They are all sorts of stuff, and when everybody started hearing it, they all want to get on the radio and talk about it. They all start flashlights everywhere. It was crazy. So they came out and they're pumped up, and they got us all excited. We got to get one good of the early third gen. The mail had his. Now we got to play with one,
right, So we go in there. We're being quiet, We're expecting to see what monsters, all of them everywhere. They're everywhere up there. They're screaming at you, so we're ready for it. So we go walking up there and we get to a point and we're like, we don't hear a single thing. So we set out and we're sitting there on the tarp on the trail listening and all we hear is you guests owls, and we're like, those guys have freaking hurt owls. And they got all excited about
it. So we heard outs. I spotted I know there's some bards. We came back somewhat disappointed and we're like, we saw nothing. So we got back and then the next day we decided to go out and do some investigation again. This time we decided to get off the trail to look around bushes. So we found foot impressions large, small, like Papa Bear, Mama Bear, and baby Bear. They were in the mud and they're in
the swampy party area. We found the bigger ones. I found one that almost looked like a pulsable thumb on one, but it was a much smaller We're like, this is odd, and then we looked around. We did see anything else, just a few footprints into some MUDs and it disappears, which you can go out to plant materials on top of logs. The other ones were clear on the other side. So we got excited about it, and not much else happened for that trip, and then comes Sunday. Sundays
are our days. We say goodbye clients, thank you so much, Spike, and then it's our term to go. So we decide we're going to go in there to that place where the activity originally took place to sit there. We're gonna listen and see what happens. I went in there during the day and we marked the trail with the flagging use color flagging you're good to go. So I marked it with color, like, thinking, oh, we can follow back up where we're good. Those guys went in the daylight.
When I said those guys, I met Bobo and Mail. They got up the hillside, they got situated, they're good to go. It was getting dark. Now it's my turn to go in with Matt. But the last minute Matt had plans to do something else. I'm thinking, I'm not going here by myself. I remember what happened last time. I remember hearing about this and this. I saw those for prints myself, so I don't know about this. So we're like, okay. I get in about fifteen
feet and something huge goes crashing through the brush at the end. I go, all it crap. So I go back and out of there, and I told Matt about it, and of course, what do you think bad did? He went up with flashlight looking all over the place. I don't see anything here, but he decides he's with another gentleman and they're going to go off the road nearby and drive that. I'm going wampster going in here. So now it's just being by myself with the little port of me radios,
and I'm going in. So I'm trying to call Matt and let him know what's what my plans are on this one. After you drove off and I get radio silent. I try to call Bobo and mail. I get radio silence. I go, no, are they here? I'm abandoned, so I said, okay, I'm going in. So I went in, and what I did is I didn't have any night vision. All how was
the flashlight I used. So what I went in. Every thirty seconds, I would turn the flashlight on for a second and then let it go off, and that allowed me to see down the trail till my next hazard, and i'd move along, boom boom, move them on. Of course, I'm on the radio trying to call, and nobody's answering. So I get to a point where I know this is the place. This has got to
be the place where they're up in the hillsid because I mark it. And I'm looking around and guess what all those flags I marked, I can't see a single one in the dark. You had to turn a flashlight on to see the colored flags. I'm trying to be quiet and stealth. I just heard something large crush to the bush right before I got started. I'm by myself. If I disappeared, nobody's going to miss me. So I turn on the light. I see it. I go up the hillside and I
take it to where Mel and a bobo war and I'm so happy. I'm there. I'm excited. How come you guys didn't ask? The radio goes, Oh, we turned them off because Matt kept talking. I'm like, oh, that's great, okay, So now i am I'm finding there. I'm excited about this whole thing. And so Bobo had a great plan. What it was is we had a stove we had and we would cook bacon for a few hours, which means what it means you got to bring a
lot of bacon, which I'm okay with that. That was good. So we cook bacon after ten o'clock and eat the bacon, cook it, eat it, cook it, eat it. And then remember we had mailed with us up the hill a little bit, so we had to give him some and then we went back to cooking bacon to ould bacon gone. We only heard the standard force sounds. We're like, there's something that's got to be in this for us, after everything that's happened, it's gotta be something.
So we're sitting there, you know, Roberts five foot eight, most like seven three corner a good day. Bubba was like over six ft. So we're sitting back to back, which meant my back is to his. Kidney's a little bit taller. But we're sitting back to back and we're dozing off a little bit because we've had a long day. This is Sunday. We've been at it since Thursday. A little bit of sleeping, running around, make sure our clients had a great experience. Then we I'll both hear this,
and he looks to me like, I don't know. Bobo's debts the guy when he tells you, you just heard a sound that makes your hair stand up, and Bobo says, I don't know what made that makes you a little nervous, but so we listened. We didn't hear it again. If somebody were asked me, what do you think the translation of that would have been? Based on the fluctuation of the words and how it was said,
that would have been can go up there and meat? And another one that's totally differentice goes no. So my interpretation was can we go eat that? And no? So that's my experience with samurai talk. I've never heard it like that since. But I was surprised then. And if they go back in the story, nine months before that, I was laughing at the serah sounds. So I was trying to be a good investigator and not take everything for face worth in a part of the evidence and break it down and
try to explain it away. When you can it away, then you have to reconsider what it really is. Of course, we stayed up later and then we heard something moving around. Mail had some recordings of some of this, but we don't know where that is. That was a long time ago. At the time, I wasn't as much into keeping everything proven beyond reasonable doubt me. It was just to satisfy me whether I believed it or not. I wasn't out to prove to everybody that it exists. I was out
to prove to myself what it was. I was trying to experience, and I'm still out there trying to prove to myself about it. I have so many things that I just can't explain, but I can explain way really eazy and say it was bigfoot, but that's not a scientific approach. I got into more leading expeditions with that, more crazy stuff, and then they gave Robert a video camera. I mentioned before that my dad was into video cameras,
into sci fi and all this stuff. Guess what. On the expeditions we used to record looking for bickfoot, but not looking at the people who are looking for bickfoot. So I said, why don't we record the people as they're trying to experience this phenomenon. So now I became a popular Rozzi. I spent a lot of time filming people, violating their space and filming
them while they're trying to enjoy this. So I started doing that. I got a bunch of footage, did not keep it, gave it back in and then of course it gets dissolved up because people need the space or whatever. I got distression with with Matt, he goes Robert, even you can edit, but here's a camera, Wally's blessing, here's that unite vision attachment with Wally Hirschem's blessing. Go out and do that stuff. So that then became my phase in my life. I'm a videographer. Now, I guess
what Robert does. Robert creates over one hundred and something videos for BFRL YouTube channel about expeditions, investigations, interviews. So I started doing this and I did that, and plus leading expeditions are assisting with other people leading expeditions, and they got to a point where I'd have to flash back to two thousand and seven and I first met Steven Stoyford. I think it was the fortieth anniversary over at the Willow Creek Veterans Hall. We had some speakers coming in.
Steven was doing an article. I got to meet Steven. We pretty much got more involved with that. Then I sat around the fire with Steven until early morning hours, talking about all sorts of stuff. One of the things you talked about was trying to find this bluff pre film site, which for me meant nothing because I can care less do I look like a zella to you, a guy who's going to go there on October twenty eighth every freaking year to go stand pose in front of the pre fifty two spot,
And I go, that me not gonna be happening. So it's twenty ten. I finally have time to do this. So I was asked by Steven Strueford to videotape him and this guy named Ian Carton as the goal look for the film site. I go, that's a good dig. Yeah, let's do this. So I came there as a videoographer to record the process. I went to the Big Museum film there. I went to Steven Storeford's store I love to tell the story because I don't know how people really know Steven.
But unfortunately the store burned down. Steven's fine. It was a legacy store. First time I went in there, I parked in front of it. The doors are open and they're always open to our business hours. And you can hear the bass coming out of the building. Talking to my camera and IM say, yeah, we're here. Here's the big Foot books. There's a sign. Yeah, we're walking in, and on the front porch were stocks of books. Of course, go walking through the door, music's
louder i A'm surrounded by a canyon of books. Those you who have been there, you can remember that so many books they getting fit on the shelves. They're now stacked into mountains and canyons. So I'm going, holy crap looking around this place, and then I'm looking for Steven right, but the front desk is way in the back, and there the head pops up, like, oh, that must be Steven, and so I go over there to film. I mean, here's a upset that was filming him without his
permission, but had explained I'm not really a pop rozzze. We talked about this. This is how we're going to do it. I have to capture whatever I can. So that started my PowerPoint via Stephen explaining to me PG film Site one oh one. At first I thought, huh, who cares? Now I'm going Actually, there's a lot of history here that I know nothing out. Really, we all think we know a lot until you start meeting other people who really dove in. I'm just like, oh wow,
there's so much stuff. So we're going through all that process of it. I'm learning, and then I'm ready to go. Because that whole week I was supposed to go back up to the mountains where in a few days, Ian Parton and Steven who would officially meet me and I would officially begin filming them in their natural habitat in the research place. The gig was to look for five sites. According to Steven's PowerPoint, there were five sites, and
I was thinking, how can there be five different sites? How can people be so confused at a landmark that they filmed now people don't agree where it was? And that that was something I had trouble with trying to figure it out. So I went there a few days and I went out there and I was filming everything. I was in the peter Burn location. I went down to the INCA Davis area. I looked at the Christopher Murphy area called
the Daniel Preys area. It was just upstream from that, but I didn't go too much further than that because I haven't been to that one spot. It's called a peter Burn location. I was told that was the location. Then a little later in two thousand and seven, I was taken farther back
in there to a location which actually is the current film site location. I was taken in there and pointed to a couple of big trees by bubble and cliff, saying, we think these are the ones you had to crawl through brush and we followed the tree line to get there, so it was a jungle. I'm like, how do you know there's just these big trees. I mean, you can't see anything in the junks and stuff. So we're going back to where we were. So I'm going through the MK Davis area.
I'm gritting it out, looking at it all over. Based on what I had time with Steven, I go, this is going to take forever. So I got to meet with Steven, and the next thing I know, by the end of the third day, I guess they must have given me another one of those little pills. It was like a blue one or a red one, and they say which one do you want? So I end up taking the red one, maybe two of them. I became not just who's recording the adventure. I become a member of the team number three.
So now it wasn't those idiots over there, it was us idiots. Of course, we never agreed one hundred percent with each other. We all had our approach and our ideas of what we expected. It was at that blend of trying to blend the ideas together and to start from the beginning. Don't use somebody else's work. Use someone else's work, You're probably going to take that mistake and just magnify it. So we had to start over. Steven and he and his credit that's what they wanted to do, and M.
K. Davis area I didn't have what he needed. The story on that I heard is I guess in two thousand and three, I looked that part out because I've talked about it before, but I got to talk at the symposium in two thousand and three. I was the salmon inner lunch Sky and I did my State Parks program hungue in cheek with the tableaud magazines. I did that through the BFOL and I did that on Friday, but I missed the Great Confusion Day on Sunday. I think Stephen was involved with that,
but I missed all that. So I'm now a member of that trying to figure it all out. We're coming down to it, but it wasn't it. By the end of twenty ten, we had gone through sites and decided that the one that had the most potential was the farthest up the creek, and all the other ones they're lacking. Things like the woman called the Christopher Murphy site, and he only claims that spot because somebody told him that was there. It's been washed out. It's called the gulch. It's got
a place where the water had wiped out the whole area there. So it was convenient that the evidence was no longer there. So nobody can just prove you if you say it's here, because the evidence is no. Sorry, man, it's just not here. But then there's the layout of the land, the topography, the angles, north south, access lines, those old played a role to decide it's not it. Peter Burnside no way. It's too small, wrong direction, not enough trees, the rivers in the wrong
place. Everything was wrong. Peter burnsite no. M K. Davis No, it doesn't have what needs to have. It has trees that are broken off the top and they're off the side. The trees aren't supposed to be on the flat area, although there are four of them that are, but they're not that big and they're off to the side. And the trees in the back don't exist. The stumps are on a flat playing field. They're not on the slide of a hill. Also an approximate location, the different
locations which they were so needs to say. It did not work, no matter what I knew that from after two days and some people still fail, they had potential. Ian still fail. They had potential. Ian had his spot between the Peter peter Burn and m K. Davis and that's where Ian felt it was for whatever reason he had, and Stephen felt it was closer to what the Press location is because the angle of the north south made more sense there. Me, I had no opinion because I have too much the
process. I just know it's farther up and it's not down. By the end of twenty ten, we narrowed it down to a location we called the General Consensus Area, which included basically Prez and the area would call Cliff. And the reason we called the Cliff Brackman site was because Stephen sent out a whole bunch of stuff. He was asking MK questions, Peter Burn questions. He gives them to know who's asking all these questions. So he also asked
for a map where they felt it was. So the map that he got from a Cliff Brackman it was a round, a little oval shape over what's called the Hindens X. And if you look at the two maps that were fighting over the Titnus map does not fit the topography at all, and that was misleading for everything else. And we don't know why he drew it the way he did, but it looked out important essential information. And then the other one was I can't remember the name now, but I know Daniel Perez
had the copy of this map. He asked a guy in two thousand and five to draw, and he drew it and it made more sense than any of the other maps, and it was done later, the latest of the maps. So we use those compile and of course in the optidmus. It has this log laying down where the action started where Roger and Bob when writing that day for to Camamaran Song went down and then they got spooked, and it's supposed to behind a big root ball. The confusion was that it de
handens x where the river makes this nice little s turn. There's some root ba hauls and some wood deposits that nature puts there, and you're looking at this going that's like a pile of stuff, you know, yeah it is. We found out that maybe a citing took place at this large rootball that's still there about one hundred feet down straight from one of those areas. But he had some family issues so he can no longer participate with the project on
site. But he was not convinced that the locations we were looking at. So here was our devil's advocate for the rest of the research. Over the next two years, we still pushed on. We needed a replacement. So a replacement ended up being a buddy of mine, Raddy Kelly. So I got suckered in on this project, but he was very helpful. He worked with us on that one day for hours, going aimlessly, going back and forth, but we finally got that spot. We've decided we had to do
a north south line and an east west line. We wanted to try to fit in and map out this area so we know what it had. So we have this thing called the Renee the Hinden Overview. In seventy one, Renee had his kids with him and he had climbed up to the southeastern corner of the hillside and he took this photograph and it's an overlaid photograph that shows the film site in seventy one, which means trees are growing back in. It's still an open sandbar that still exists. You can see artifacts. In
two thousand and ten, it's overgrown like a jungle. You cannot see those artifacts. We see some of them, but they're all under vegetative cover and it's dark. It's game trail, and you're getting poked in the eyes by branches and you're getting your ankles shreaded by the California blackberries as you're trying to walk through it. So in order for us to be sure as you can't go through it, cut all the trees down. It's a federal piece of
land and it's a Riparian habitat. But if you can remove all the trees like white ar or whatever, you can remove whatever you want. And then you have the sandbar that was placed there in nineteen sixty four with the big flood, so that leveled everything out, and that's why it's flat there. It's sold the high water to pre siltation. But now it's all a great seatbed for all sorts of vegetated matter. So north south line, we took
the middle and we made that our central position. The question was how far you want to cross the creek and go down, So we picked a place on the gravel bar that was next to an alder tree, so that becomes position number one, and we ran our line straight all the way north with a slight prected declination because the world is flat, sorry, but we had the declination line on it. So we pretty much followed that. And every time you get to a big tree, you can't go through. You have
to go ninety and continue. So we went through. We did a front side bearing, a backside bearing, and then we continue and we try to keep it in a straight line, because two lines gives you a point, but three gives you a direction. So if you can line all three lines up. You have a direction of travel. You don't have a very good direction of travel if you only use two and you get one hundred yards away. So you got to line them up and back bearing all the way.
When we got to the very back there, after cutting holes so we could take our survey marks and crawling for bushes, we got to the very end and we're standing in front of what looks like, I don't know, a maple tree, a big old maple tree, A big old maple tree that's got like a weird kick in it that if you look really closely at frames three fifty two, and there's a maple tree in the background and has a little kick to it. So that's when the brain starts going, maybe that's
a circumstantial coincidence at this point. Yeah, you had to wait till you get a couple hundred circumstantial coincidences before you decide you got some. Stay tuned for more sasquat Chotasy were right back after these messages. So we're looking at this tree and it's a maple tree. And guess what's on the left of
this maple tree. You're right, here's a big old fir tree, and on this fir tree it looks like little acorn spots where the birds have kicked out little holes of them to put stuff in them, and you're like wow. And then you look off to your right and you're like, God, that looks like you could gone. It can't be that easy. That's not
it. And then on the other side of that one, it was just snag that had the top broken off, which is no longer as tall as it used to be, and you're like, that could be a snag. And then you look over against your right and there's this fir tree that's bigger than the middle for tree. It's got these branches sticking out at the base. You go, that's the ladder tree. That's all circumstantial. So once you had the north line, we picked the halfway point, and then we
did east west. Once you got the east west line, by the way, you have to cut poles sheet you can see where you're going type thing. And then we had to break him into thirty foot squares. Why are you doing the thirty foot squares because it's better that than a forty foot square. So you cut him into his little squares and you're lining them all up so they're parallel lines. And we did flags in every corner so we know where the corners were. Once you got this whole sandbar pretty much gritted flag
with lines still work in there. So now you're going to draw in all these artifacts, right, how about a log here, a palisadist there, decaying material here, here's a young fur. You can't fit in. That's not right, Let's mark it anyway. What about that old one over there, let's put it there. We got how old it is. So you went through and you mark all the artifacts within these squares. Once you got done with that, guess what. Now you have to draw and perverted into
a map. And once you've found that, now you have to take that overview. Remember we talked about the Dehendon seventy one. Now you have to take that and superimpose it over the top of your bride. Not only that, you have to get the north south directions right. It was almost like magic. Now you're looking at this yere and you're going, this is weird. So now you have these clusters of artifacts that you're labeling but with the
American alphabet, and you're matching these clusters with this overview. Now you realize you run out of the alphabet, so now you're using lower case a's versus uppercase a's. So there was plenty of evidence here, and when we got to that point where we started this process, we had enough to go to people like Daniel Perez who said you'll never find it with our first map we did we just hope keep it. It got to the point we send that
and the seventy one over to Daniel Perez. He goes, congratulations, that you guys got it. When you have some tell you that you will never find it and then you find something, they have to eat cro or apologize for what they said or support you. We had some people who never really want to support us on it because they did not feel that it was there.
They felt it was somewhere else. Not to mention any names, but the initials is as M and then as a period, and there's a K in a period in name bast names VA vs. Some people still stick on the locations and swear by them, but we have yet to see those people come over to the location where the actual film site is and chat with them, sit down with them, go over what we found with them and say, hey, what do you think now, and I'm pretty sure one hundred
percent they're going to say you can lead some in the water, can make them drink it. They're going to say, you're right. But then if you are wrong with certain things and you stick to it and then you could proven wrong, what does that do to your credibility? It kind of obtaints a little bit. So you got to come up with another invention or something to keep it going. MK did great stuff. He stabilized the film some
great stuff. When we were doing research, Steven was still communicating with him, and what he did is he took the backdrop and we thought it was a hillside, and it looks like a hillside right fifty two. It's not. It's the short bluff and then it levels off, but you couldn't see that very well. So what he did is he used colors and made it so you could see where it dropped off. And he was right about the backdrop being not total kill site. So I'll give him credit for that and
stabilization. But I'm not going to talk about the massacre theory stuff way out there. It doesn't concern anything we're working on. But everything tule of their opinion. I don't know everything they see. They have the way of looking at it. I just know that we know it's upstream from where MK Kills. The film site is. So we started get enough information to it and in twenty twelve Bill Mouns love that guy, Bill Muns is invited. Steve
has been with them. He's been working on some models. He has taken the movie footage itself and created a map based on the movie footage. Now that is mathematically magic. So we invited him. In twenty twelve July, we called the Bluff Creek Film Site Blowout and we had about seventeen people show up for that, including a Cliff was there, Bubbo was there. A lot of people were there. We also got Bill Mints to come down.
So Bill Mikes got a chance to finally get to the film site. He had been working on that for five years, never been to the film site. Got him walked down there. We started walking right towards it, and so he got the hindens X. That's when you step back a little bit and you go, Bill, what do you think? We were talking and Bill wasn't saying anything. So once we got crossed the creek and up to the upper sandbar. So, Billy, why don't you take the lead,
And it's that way, go right ahead. So we followed him because he wasn't listening. He was quiet. You could see his mind was like checking everything out. So we got to the point where were stopping in front of the big tree and we're standing there talking and Bill's just looking at it. You could see his brain's work and he's looking at it, and he's got all these papers in his hand, and I watched his face, well, the smile creeps onto his face. And we got to get Bill a moment.
To get Bill a moment here. So he wanders off and he's looking up at the playing field. Meantime we're talking to each other. It was fine. And he comes back and he goes, yeah, this is the place, he said, Bill and his trees took five years to get here, and his ace and the Holy called it was at the far right where these two trees he called Laurel and Heart, and also the snag we called the the spiky snag because it's broken out. So we don't agree on all
names, but that's that. And he called Lauren Hardy tree. We accept that. When you're standing in front of the tree, it looks like one big tree. When you back up and move towards where Patty was walking, you could see the two trees. One's a large street, one is skinny, and Laurel Hardy with it where the slapstock comedians. One's fat. One was skinny. When we get close to the trees that cross over, it looks like one tree. We mapped them their on our maps, but we
didn't have a name for them. We just said there's a bunch of trees over there. But he just confirmed what we had worked on. But by twenty twelve we pretty much had an idea what we We made the public in twenty eleven for sure, because what it was is Roberts trying to finish his map and make sure he's right, because can you imagine you spend your reputation and your time trying to explain something and then you find out you're wrong. I don't want to be that guy. I'm expected to do a better job
than that, So I was holding back. So everybody and the team said, yes, Roberts the last guy. They hounded me. They hounded me and it wasn't until twenty eleven when I did the super map when I made it really pretty, I said, yeah, okay, I'm in. But that was that And since then we've been doing the camera projects looking for wildlife, which is nice in a way because we have the cameras out there and doing park work. We had hidden camera guys all the time I had did
wildlife projects. What was a goosebin tree that held water for almost a year. The bears loved to wallow in it, so I set cameras on it and I got to learn when the hibernation state the bear took the parks. Since we're about ten miles from the coast, they don't spend a lot of time sleeping, but about a month and a half they go into a stupor and you can see the big fat bearers when they go in, and they don't see me anymore than their skinny bears. When you see him again,
and they have the markings you recognize. But that was the experiment that I did at the parks, and twenty twelve we set the first cameras out. Yeah, I forgot to miss Jamie. I got to throw this in for Jamie because he's be included as well. Jamie was a student at the Humble State and he was working at a math class. So in the beginning of twenty and eleven, in the spring, we asked him to use his maths skill sets off the maps we had and see if they lined up with the
hind and overview. So he did that and he confirmed it as well, so he said all the right things. So he became a member of our team. And he was also pushing the camera project pretty much. So he and Rowdy took the lead on the camera projects. And so we were checking cards, putting cameras out, and that was a big thing. But in twenty twelve we actually captured a humbold Martin in one of our frames. Of our cameras. We had the I want to say the bush nails, but
there are movie cameras on them, so you got to see movement. So on this one area by the big rocky plug, we had the camera up and this little weasel like animal bounding across it. And but the biggest time, we didn't know quite what it was because you have the fissures which are too big. That's bigger than that. You have a Martin's. Yeah, we've dot maybe with somebody's sperit. But the Humboldt Martin is an animal that was not seen very often. It was still seen, but very rarely.
So I saw one of those in two thousand and seven when I was sitting on the beach with a friend of mine and it screamed at as they ran away, and that was just a weasel of some kind, but we find out was humble Martin. Said that they're very rare and that they like old worlds for us, but we actually documented one. So one of the claims to fame for the Bluff Preak project is we were able to capture existence of a Homo martin a few types, which is really cool. With those cameras,
we get teased a bit because we don't hide the cameras. When I did my job for the parks, I hit all my cameras, but I checked them. And if we put a camera up with like it Bluff Creek because of the port Ordford cedar brute rot issues, the virus is killing the quarter of cedars that they closed the gates right after honey season in October. They don't reopen them until late May or June, so putn there's no public access during those time periods, so it's a wild area that has no access
thuring those time periods, which is cool. So if you can't get in there, check your cameras and you're putting on them to camouflage them. The snow the rain pushes us up back in your viewshit, And that's one of the reasons that Jamie was adamant of not hiding him that well, because of maintenance issues what we call a lot of while off on. There a lot of mountain lions and a lot of bear activity. There's a lot of bears down there, and there's bear sign everywhere. There's no shortage of that.
But then people have experiences there and some swear other bigfoot experiences. I'm not there to say they're not because I didn't experience them there. I've had some weird stuff happen to me as well. The verdict is still out. Ladies giggling and talking and you go to say hi to them and they're not there. You hear people talking around you and you can't see them. Now, are being stuck by something of walks in two Lakes that stops walking when you
walk a couple times. That's unnerving. When you're by yourself in rock tossing we're at Twin Lakes. I'm doing the podcasting for the Bluff Project, doing the end of the Field, so I am. I also like to play my flute. So I'm on the shoreline there at one of the lakes, blowing in my flute, making a lot of noise. Because I don't claim to be a musician, I make noise. I make noise on a flute. I like to blow up really loud and just so what echoes off the
lake and off the hills. When I was doing that, and Bart was back at his vehicle and Bobo was in the back of his with the back that and he starts yelling, and I'm thinking, oh, they don't like my music at all, with a bunch of picky people. So I keep playing. I still hear stuff going on, and then I finally go what's going on? So I walk over to where it was and Bobo pickupchuck. He says, something just threw a rock down at me and he landed behind
him and I rolled down the hill parts one of the lakes. It's all overgrowing vegetations. You can't see it. But the thing was is the logic comes in going did my loud whistle shake loose the rocks and they came down the hill the hillside in order to get the momentum it needs or to do what it did, or to come from a place where it starts at. There isn't it. It's not that steep. Something obviously through it, and there's no way it can't just fall and roll that far in that fast and
do what it did from there. It has to have inertia to send it down there. So landed behind him when he was having his head in the back of the pic cup truck, and it went down to think. So that's one of a few stories. I think the bow blocks at the same place, and I would say he was with Cliff at the time. Across the other side of the lake, something made noise and jumps into the water. It's like a lot of our earlier research. We didn't have the equipment
we have today. We don't have the night vision or the thermal. We have our eyeballs and our flashlights. It's just that today we have a lot more equipment, but back then we didn't. But that's just a quick one oh one. Roberts getting involved with the Bigfoot stuff, like the Bluffree Project book was one of many books tod I write. But that's the one on the Bigfoot subject matter. And I'm working on another one with Bart because whyn't
I've been on projects together. We choke about this about ten years ago. We should write a book. How many times have you heard that we should write a book. No one's going to read it, but we should write it anyway. So we decided to go ahead and do that. And we're starting that process too. But the Bluffery Project book is done, said and gone. Did you have a copy of it there? You can hold up.
If not, I've got one here. So the cover of the book actually has the site and on the bottom left here, actually it's totally different. There that's the bluff Creek. It goes around the edge, and it goes up and it makes the turn, and there's the Hendon's X right there. You can see it. There's that bowling alley right here, goes right this way. That's north to south. This is the big curve. This is the Hendon's X right here, and then it travels down here a little
bit and continues moving down and goes back this way. But that's the aerial drone taken of the film site by by Roddy Kelly. Great shot. If you see it's overgrown. There's a few open areas right in this area here. This is where Roger started filming. You right filming here it crosses, but it all started down the way back over here that people always tend to
forget. Because we did a little experiment of how long will it take you to pull your horse down, get your foot out of the stirrup that's stuck in bent, pull your camera out of your saddle bag, roll off your horse, rearrange you, and then go on foot pursuit of whatever it is you're you're chasing down. We figured, I figured I'll speak on behalf of myself. I figured that it takes a little bit of time, so it's
not at haendance exits downstream. I mentioned earlier that within one hundred feet there's another area that has a route that's laying down and the extended piece on it, like in a ten missus map that sexually has been cut off. It's just a rootball, and so here's rootball. So I'm thinking that maybe that's more closely aligned to where it started. And it was all road right,
It wasn't a order, just walking down the scrabvel bar. It was a graded road because it flooded and sixty four to sixty five despy sixty six sixty seven. They were blogging and they would take the heavy equipment and lud bulldoze and there's your road. And it was easier to get to that place then than it is today. And he drived down there and then it went up
up towards the Bowling Alley section. But they were on a road. And if you look at some of the earlier footage, like at the beginning of the real for the for the Patterson film, it has Roger pulling a pack animal behind him, so well, who's filming that? But anyhow, the simper story, but they're walking around that that's just down the MK Davis area and between the peter Burn area, and that's where that location is. And again it's it's an area that's slid out and it's rabbled and it's flat enough
to be able to navigate off of. So all these things that you would look at and try to put together, like looking at the old footage and then going out there and trying to find that spot that's buying Waldle, Like where's that there's those track ways that are on the shoulder of this and in the background when they're filming, you see a mountain side lined up. Let's
go find it. You know those kinds of projects where you go, oh, where was the camp at Lows Camp where allegedly those original tracks were found? Or where was the heavy equipment that was tossed off with the barrels into this canyon? Where would that be? The tobaccie has to make sense. So the fun part when you travel around the area there looking at these things, going yeah, this makes sense. So I've been that bluff Peak a lot. I used to be brillian anal. I guess I still am about
keeping track where you go. It's like I was Janiel Press asking me once, how many times have you been? Guess what Robert did? He takes all his notes out and starts going through his little journals, going, okay, tally them up. It only counts when you go all the way up to the Burman down again. You don't have to go a way up to the parking area. So it was fine to do that. And it's been a lot, and Roddy's done a lot, and that's want to make sure.
Ever, Bandy the Bluffreak proje. He gets mentioned here got my list because when you get over sixty you forget things. Could you write them down? So Steven Storrow up to Roddy, Kelly Ian Carton Kip Morell. He's actually a member of the team too. I figured that if you want to have a good program, you've got to have Kip on it because if you have Kip on your team, people are willing to listen to you, and you get a lot of credibility with kIPS on your Bigfoot of the Year.
He's seventeen years straight, pretty to give. We got to have him on our team and he's got a great sense of hearing and he loves to cook. He's a good listener and he loves to sing. Tateronymous he's not related to the higher Enemous, although it was funny when he was with Bob and he was introduced as Tatonymous and Bob yet one loves the live all rights things and he had, oh, no, we're not related. The spelling is different on two letters. No, we're not related. But Kate's been pretty
helpful. I work with him and with a rowdy on the Bluff Preak project. Podcast. I like the end the Field stuff, which means Latimer gets to be a paparazzi again and he records you away from the real world, and I always like a better story that way. So that's in the field. We got a bunch of new episodes coming up. I know people are waiting to see how they turned out. And of course I admit Jamie Radio,
Jamie Wayne Nice to go by that and Dustin Severs. I gotta throw a stone at Dustin Sievers real quick, because he was one of the handful of people who watched all of the seventy two Bluff Preak film site project video. He watched every single one of them. He was so interested in the project that he watched all of them. And he shows up. Great guy, very athletic. He lives in Oregon, very smart, very ingenious. He wrote the latest book I held up before we started. He's got a
lot of knowledge, but he was right there with us. We just do this because it's the right thing to do, and we've taken on the film side area to try to protect it, ineducate people on it, and sometimes we wonder if that was the right thing, because when you open an area up to the elements and foot traffic, it gets destroy that much faster, so a lot of the film site slowly deteriorating because now that these logs that were still rotting but still in the right position with the fungus going on him,
now people have been sitting on him and been standing on him. It's messed up. Like the Smiley Face stump and all those stumps that we exposed to do our maps to find out where the location was are now exposed to the elements. So we like to ask people when they go there, because it is your place, just be nice. Don't destroy it for other people. We don't like having fires there, but some people started doing that,
having fires on the film site. Not to mention the fire danger's pretty high in that area and it burns around it and it stays not so bad because the moisture likes to hang in the bottom. But having people go up there and camp wherever they want or leave their garbage, that's not cool. We're starting to see that most people respect it, are glad to be there and enjoy it, but there's a few and maybe it doesn't mean much to them as it does to other people. The Bluff Cree Project is a big advocate
for protecting the areas, letting people know about Humbo Martin's. So it's a cool place. That's very good advice for people who go up there. Be respectful people. Don't go up there and dump your shit out. Don't start fires. Leave things the way that you found them, and leave them better than you found them. Robert, I will link to the book in the show notes. Everybody, go check out the Bluff Break Project book. I've had a blast talking to you. I really appreciate you coming on. You're
a wealth of knowledge. Man. It's been really fun. Every time I get invitation to talk about it, get to talk about it. Then that's why I won't forget. That's when you get old. You gotta keep telling the stories. If you stop telling the stories, you start forgetting stuff. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. No,
I don't want to be alone. World uppen job, this job that chid everything right back back No joy for me, Joy, stay right, come in right away, baby babyss still states still start says side stay still say games and games. MS Payson uses ssens fast used mass