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Paranormal World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I got to sit down with Shane Church from the Southern Bigfoot Alliance and he shared a ton of information. He shared a ton of photos about some of the things that they're finding out there and what they're calling Squatch Creek. And this is probably not going to make a whole lot of sense if you guys don't go over
to the blog and check out all the photos. I think I've got about thirty eight or thirty nine photos that you can follow along here as Shane is talking and breaking down how they got these casts where this is coming from the area that they're in. It's some fantastic stuff. I think it's some really cool photos of the cast and the footprints that they're finding. They're finding some really amazing stuff. And I'll let Shane tell you about all of that in
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on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere you find to find books. But enough of that, I know you get are ready to get into it. Shane's on the line and he's ready to go. All this left for you to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show hard. I want to welcome our guests of the show. It is Shane from the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. Welcome to the show man. Hey, thanks Brian, glad to be here. Man. I always love to talk about this. Let's get
right into it. Let's talk about big book. Let's talk about what got you're interested in the subject to begin with. Okay, my stepdaddy always watched In Search of and Anything Leonard Nimoy was hosting, I guess at the time, and I caught that Patty footage. It burned in my brain. And though I wanted to, I never checked out the books in school because you can't get chicks when you're checking out Bigfoot books. So you got put on the back brighter. Although there was that spark, that love, it was
there. I guess it got restarted. See Monster Quest was huge. It just rekindled everything I wanted to know. So let's see, I turned about forty, so I'm forty seven, So for seven years I have been doing this. I was like, I need an adventure. You only live once. What's it going to be? And that's what my brain landed on. I have not been disappointed. I can't even believe it. I started off in this group and me and these other fellas within that group we're talking about,
we don't like the way this group is running. He can have that opinion. We branched off in the sixth of the started Southern Big for Alliance. We've grown over the years. It's awesome. It's a private group. We do that, try to keep all the ogres and trolls, although if they want to come on and mess around, I'm a photoshop pro, so I get your picture. I don't know what's going to happen, but yeah, we have a great group. That the camaraderie with our main core guys,
it's just amazing. And we're all spread out. I'm a Texas summer in Oklahoma, Arkansas. We're just all spread out. When it's time to converge, we converge. One of the main places we converge on is Squatch Creek. It's a creek, it's in a small town. This is the fruits of Brian Hewlen. He followed up on a lead. If you see this picture in here, this young hunter. She put this picture on a Morell mushroom site and they were clown in her. Brian just happened to be
part of that site. That group a private messages there and he got out here, which was pretty hard because I'm to tell you right now, nobody wants to give up their morell mushroom period nobody. This is public hunting land, so there's that, lots of wildlife, a good sized body of water that this creek runs into. So Brian gets out there. This is the lead that led us to the Squatch Creek, and this is more southwest Oklahoma, and that's where we go. We investigate southwest and then of course far
southeast, and we've got multiple things going on right now. It's just I don't even know what to do. It's like I need to quit my job and just do this. But yeah, this is the picture she sent and it was just like, okay, here it is okay. That could be annything. Someone could take that or something like that or something of that nature. Who knows. Brian gets out there and that's Brian's that's his boot. That's a left foot print, and there was a right so there was four
prints. Stepped off this bridge into the creek and just went around into the brush. This is what we're dealing with. This is all brand new, never seen tracks. We're just hungry and eager and persistence and you got to follow up on leads. People. You got to talk to folks and go to rapport and work together, and you find you're in spots like this. So we've got eight inch wide, sixteen inch in linked or like, holy smokes, I do have the day average temperature up there. I like to
keep the temperature. We'd put the moon phase on there because one of our guys, Tim, he was like, hey, man, every time we find tracks, it's either near or the night of or something very close to a crescent moon. And I was like, all right, man, we're gonna put that. We're just gonna put that into our mix. Why not. We don't have a specimen. We're all a step one essentially, we really are. Some of us just have a little bit more evidence than others,
and I think that we should share. And the more minds collectively, the better, I think. So Brian he was in the fencing business at the time, and he used flashing to put a border around these tracks, to really give us some beefed up borders. This Oklahoma red sand is almost like it's like the suction. It'll suck that plaster. You gotta be real careful, that's me. So between the second and third step right above, it was a fresh green branch breed. So we're looking at the coincidence.
Right, second and third step, they walk like in a tie rope fashion. That thing is snapped off. So we measured eight foot ten inches. Does that mean that this sixteen inch track leaving individuals eight foot ten inches. I don't know. It's just coincidental. It's just something we recorded. So I love this. This is great because this takes the Huax factor out of all this number one. This was the number one saying that just gave me
chills. So you got this left foot stepping off the bridge. That's the same left foot another step later it's walking on flat ground. You can see there's a little difference in the toes right there, the smaller toes, And that's why I put these lines on here. When that thing stepped off the bridge, it's almost like there was anticipation on that left foot with those toes. And if you look right here, you can see where the mud squished
somewhat. But when it's walking on flat ground and everything's closer, you're really squished up between the toes. That's showing me organic movement. I don't care what anybody says. It's either Jim hence In or Stan Winston out there with eight eight hundred pounds puvidic and mechanically move its toes and logistically that's a straight nightmare out there. To me, this is just screams organic. I noticed
this here. So there's this little spot on the hill and it looks like it could be I don't know, a callous or I don't know, maybe got injured and it just kept growing over. I don't know, does it assist? I have no idea. I just know that it's bulging from that foot. Now just keep that on the back brunner that bulge. So we make it back out there in June. Okay, Kendel and eye we walked right past this track. We did not see it, not even close.
About forty five minutes or so later, Brian pulls up. What happens in forty five minutes, The sun's gonna shift a little bit, so timing is lighting on some of these things that you're looking for. And I'll be dan, Brian, he's what is that? We're like, nah, huh, what is that? So we ended up looking at it and we're like, man, I don't know, let's cast it. So in a doubt people cast it just because when you pull it out of the ground and clean it
up, it's like opening a present, I promise. So there was a waxing crescent moon days prior to you know, us being out there and finding that print. We did notice that there was a deer prints and there was three of them. We thought there was something wrong with the toe, but it was just where a deer like try or a quad step just to getting
over going to drink out of the creek because there's tons of game. And that's another thing with these tracks on this creek is you don't see them and you don't cast them, then the game is going to destroy them because there's deer, hogs, you name it, and everything that's out there leaves a beautiful print in this Oklahoma red sand. Now I live in Texas. I just let you know, dude, I hang my camping gearing and Oklahoma.
I just knew it is great. So we cleaned it up a little bit, stuck it in the back of the jeep, and I just loved that night lighting right there. It really brought it to life even more. We were just like, oh my god, what are we dealing with here? This thing's twenty inches, So we're already thinking, okay, it's the sixteen inch track leaving individual possibly is eight foot ten inches? How tall is this
guy? Just doing the math, I just I don't know. There's a lot of the ways you can figure that out until we have a specimen to me, I don't know. So this twenty inch but guy, how tall is he? Is? He gonna be over nine foot? Is it like the incredible Holk is walking around out there in the woods or what? Because this right here it actually spooked us for a while, Like this is the print that kept me up for a while, and it had the same anatomy
too. They have this little splay in between their big toe and the other four that just tells me they're heavy. I'm thinking that's a good sign that they're pretty heavy. These guys are so January twenty nineteen, Bill Kaufman, good buddy of ours. He gets out there and he finds this print. He puts his wallet next to it and he takes a picture and he sends it to all of us Arkansas, Texas, and we just it's calling all cars situation. We got out there was very cold, this is winter.
He mixed weather thirty one degrees very cold, as you can see when Bill went to cast this and set up right, it was just too cold, so it broke apart a little bit. This was a very interesting tract, though, because I'm not saying that's what that is. But I've already been looking at the print when it stepped off the bridge. It's anticipating the ground and the digits on the fluid that are moving, almost as an anticipation.
Is this something similar? Is this where this individual stepped off right next to the creek bank, which this is where Bill cast this is right next to the water. Is that a flexor tendon it's showing in there. It's not a stick. I know that for sure, because you'll see here in a little bit why I know that's not a stick. I just think there's a possibility that could be that tendon that we also share as humans. Guess what Bill has on his track, same callous. It's the same individual coming through
this area almost a year later, the same one. So not now we're getting like, hey, these guys have a schedule. They're keeping some kind of schedule and they like to pass right through here, and we just couldn't have been more blessed. I guess I would say with having this area to look for the track. So here we go. We got this bulge again. Guess what one or two years before we even started going out there with that track on the far right, a guy cast tracks out there, sixteen
inch tracks. Now, I just have a hard time with the toes. They all broke off, and as you see, it didn't really I don't know. He might've been bad at puzzles. But this track also has that bulge from one to two years prior, and it's smaller, so that's telling me that whatever's on there, it's probably a callus. I'm sure you walk Barefleet all your life, you're going to have like natural souls, I guess you could say. So it's smaller, so it's just telling me that it's
growing as this individual's walking its path. Oh and then that guy, his toe is amazing. And we try to get in touch with this fella because we really wanted to take some measurements and put it next to the other two that we have from this big foot. He's probably one of those guys don't want to be bothered with. So on January nineteen, twenty nineteen, we knew there was definitely three out there, the sixteen and two twenties, because
the two twenty split off in different directions. So now not only are we casting a sixteen inch track leaving entity that's by itself, and also a twenty inch track leaving individuals by himself, but now they're together and with another. So when we were looking at here, we've got a family unit. We've got something here. There's something substantial here. Oh wow, And these were
the tracks. Oh it was so cold. Okay, So when I first showed you them tracks in the beginning, how it really punched into the sand. These aren't punching so far, because man, I'm telling you, when that sand gets that cold, it's damn near impossible to really dig deep into that. But you can see the raccoing tracks. Oh my god. Okay, So this right here, Okay, So I've been measuring this stride. It was about five foot in some change until we got here. Until we
got to the edge of the creek, you got a one two. I call it a stutter step because it's almost like what we do, like well, stutter step to the jump over a puddle or something of that nature. We cast both of those. One of them did not make it. It was like feta cheese. When we pulled it. The next morning, we were actually building little campfires and putting coals on top of the plaster to try
to get it to cure where so we're terrified we're gonna lose everything. So you got this stutter step and you're like where to go because the creek, as you can see in that first picture, it's crystal clear, mirrored, ice cold. The sand in there was undisturbed, and I'm like, he didn't go in the creek, so let's us cast a nose and Co's the one that we did pull. It broke and I was able to salvage most
of it. Then we got this across the creek in the bank, this big old punt into this super ice cold mud, and Brian and I were like standing in the creek, We're looking at it. We're like, we have to cast that's going to hold something substantial as that's fantastic. We ended up using the rest of our plaster on that print right there, and it
had to be cast, so we cast it. I got it back about a week afterwards, let it really cure up, started cleaning it up, started thinking about it, and it totally made sense after looking at this cast, because you got this big foot going through the bank and people it's literally the toes are sliding through the mud as it's coming up, and it's like gathering it. It's trying. It's almost like it's trying to get its footing
in the mud. Until it does it's able to get up over and we saw another impression on top, but it was on more harder surface and then
it just dissipated into nothing as it got harder. But if you look at this, I believe this totally supports that mid tarsel breakhinge theory that everybody talks about because the initial hit of this bank, this foot, it's only got one little hill print just for a minute, just for a second, and then that hill pops up like you see in that illustration, and the rest of that slid through the mud as it propelled forward as it moved forward.
And I was like, this totally supports that this is great. Every time we go out there and we cast these tracks, and it's not every time we go out there, Man, We've been out there hundreds of times and found nothing. In fact, we find more of nothing than anything. So I'm driving to Oklahoma just for this place. I do it all the time. It's worth it. Then April eighteenth comes along waning crescent moon. Here we go with that again. We got tracks out of this day, sixteen
inch six inch track lever Okay, at five steps we cast three. We'll see one, two, three, and I dug up the fifth one. I dug up the one because a certain TV personality was already claiming that these were a hoax. So I dug up this fifth track because I'm thinking, this is my insurance policy. I'm thinking for some reason now I may not have done it the best citizen science way, because it was on the fly and I was like, I'm getting it, but I dug it up.
Anyway. I'm thinking, we leave skin cells all over the place every day. What if that sand acts some type almost lufa like against the bottom of the food, I think it's gotta be shit something. So I got in touch with a scientist by the name of Darby or Cut who was outstanding, amazing, the superhero that guy. And he's put that in food containers and stored in a cool, dark place. So that's what I've been doing for ever since I brought it home. But he doesn't know about DNA because that's
usually with registered animals already. But he also has a fella that we were talking about that sifts through sediment and looks for dnair life, So that might be that avenue. I don't know. It's still in brainstorming mote. So this track was awesome. It has this hole in it, and I'm like, what the hell's that? If you look at picture number two, that's my foot that I cast up in my backyard and I'm made a little muddy area. I put my foot down in it and then I cast it.
When I pulled it and cleaned it, I had this great, big old notch right here in my big toe. I don't have a notch in my toe. That's from my tissue hitting up against the rock when I made that impression. Exactly what that is? Picture number one, that's exactly what that is. That's a rock or a stick in that creek when it's stepped on it and it punctured into the foot. I don't know if you guys remember
being like kids on the playground. You got those rocks all over. You sit down talking to your friends, you lift your hands up and all those rocks embedded in your palm. Same thing. It's just a bigger foot and it can go up deeper and not even hurt, I'm sure. So you got all these examples of rocks and sticks, and that's just again, that's
just screaming organic tissue. Can't get any more obvious than that. So I ended up molding this because I wanted to make replicas for the guys, which I have, and I've actually given a lot of these replicas away to those I know that are so heavy hearted into the subject matter that I want them to have this in their arsenal, on their purse, wherever they want to take it, just to put that in their mind, to share it with people. Just what you can look for if you go for something this big.
So yeah, I took them molding the track to work. I build helicopter transmissions for Schweizers three hundred c's and triple threes, and I got to use some of the micrometers to measure this. Everybody's looking at me like I was crazy, But you know what, now they're all on board. They've asked me enough questions that now everybody's on board. Oh yeah, talk about
this real quick. That track that has the rock and that was or sticked into the foot, that fifth toe is there, it's just barely touching. So my wife, she has this friend named Amy. She's a lovely woman, she really is. She's very pretty. She came over and she was talking about how ugly her feet were, and I was like, I got to see these feet. So she took off her shoe and that is her foot. She's got like these velocirapter pinky toes that are sticking up off the
side of her feet. And it got me thinking about this track. I'm like, what if this has something similar to that, and that's maybe why it barely touched the ground at that point in time. I don't know. I think it's pretty good theory. Oh yeah, other things we ran into out here. We oftentimes call this place Chimanji instead of squatch creep. So that's a nalligator track. It's missing a back toe LaaS back feets missed one of the toes, and we kept hearing the fishermen and they're like, this
gator out there. I'm like, all right, man, I'm saying the gator. There's one out there, there's one out there. Cast the trucks, there he is. And then this day, so on May twelfth, at six thirty six am, this is the second shot within that minute. It's a longhorn stopped dead. In this track, she's I'm not going nowhere, and it's because that is an African lion that walked by the camera before the longhorn. This is out there. We're casting these tracks. I'm checking
the camera and I see that. I turned around real quick because that's behind me. So we got sent to the game warden. We're like, this this guy to be the biggest mountain line we've ever seen. We don't know what this is. It's public hunting ground. There's a small town nearby. I'm sure they got kids that come out and walking. You know what I'm
saying, a lion. So he told us not to post it on social media, and we didn't for now maybe a couple of years, until Brian called me one day and his dude, there was a lion spotted on thirty five near Art. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. So we're like, nope, we're putting this out. We're putting it out.
But I always told people in the town every time we went this. I showed them this picture and just to make sure that they were mindful that there could be a big cat out there, and you know what we really want there farce from like Tiger king Land, like you Goll's sanctuaries out there's no
telling what's running around. To be honest, there's not. But actually posted this on a big Cat's page on Facebook and I got kicked off because they were telling me that was a golden retriever and we got this big old argument of that it's not a golden retriever. That's a line, sir, but only all the area of the tracks, Like it's just amazing to see the toe movement, the organic part of these tracks. It's not a wood cutout. People. It's crazy to think that someone could make it, make that
like that. And if you saw these in person, you would just be like, oh my god, look at the deep that sand is just beautiful. It just gets the best detail. There's a lot to talk about, but let's start with this. Are people having sightings in that area? Are you guys correlating this area the tracks and sightings of these creatures, and if so, what are people reporting when they say they're seeing something. Okay. So I had one gentleman I spoke with. He's got six siblings that live
in and around this area. He just said that they've all seen stuff, but one specific was his nephew that was hunting out there. He had two dogs with him and he was night hunting. I believe he's probably looking for hogs, I'm sure, and he got really close to one of these things and it just guttural roared at him. His dogs took off, he took off. He's in tears. His uncle had to come pick him up because he couldn't even. He said he was shaking. He couldn't even. He
couldn't even drive. And that's just one instance. And actually me and the fellows were shooting a we're gonna shoot a documentary on this creek. It's just there's just too much meat to it. And we've actually gotten a hold of a city hall. They're gonna let us use their veteran center and we're gonna have a town hall meeting. We're gonna do burgers and do foot and we're gonna talk. We're gonna bring of our cast, we're gonna talk to all
the people. They're probably gonna be like yeah, I've seen that track for ten years, or yeah, I've seen that just the other day over five miles south or whatever. We're gonna look where, really grass what these people have been dealing with. Because you can go in there with a bigfoot shirt at a gas station, you're buying I'm just out here looking for big foot. They're out here, They're out here, that's all you get. So yeah, we are definitely investigating that. We're shooting a dot. We just
got a guy that joined our group. His name is Gus Stone. He's an awesome videographer, hell of a drone flyer, FA Bermit regulated. So we're fixing to dive deep into the creek and we already had them. We've been to other properties outside of the creek. We found a property where a guy had a structure. He's got a natural spring. He's just a hop, skip and a jump from where we cast these tracks. And the thing I love about his properties has this huge power line situation going on the side.
And man, that power line, it goes all the way to Anadarko and I don't know if you've ever heard of Anna Darko, but they got quite a few things going on there. Plus chick of shape. We've got five hundred acres. We go out there. It's just all length. I think it's all length, and you can be hidden. You can ride or brono source down those power lines. It's just covered. You're not going to see we're digging on that one. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
We'll be right back after these messages. What else are you guys finding out there? Are you finding obviously you had the one picture of the tree break that you showed in correlation or very near the tracks. Are you finding other tree breaks, tree structures, because that's one of the things that is always sort of contention for me, is the subjectiveness of all the tree breaks. Right, there's no secret. I went out on an ext edition back
in October of last year up in Radium with Todd Standing. As soon as we got in this research area, there were hundreds thousands of tree breaks all along the road, the logging road leading back to his base camp. Everywhere we walked, it didn't matter what direction we went, there were tree brakes and weird structures and things like that. Are you guys finding some of that similar stuff out in this area where you guys are finding the tracks. As
far as tree breaks go. We did find one big tpe structure, but I started thinking, it's public hunting land. Could this be a blind? Also, I was able to take it apart myself, so I was like, they didn't really take I'm not saying wheat, but I was able to take it apart. I personally think this is path that they're just using because
they're the fastest point between two dots is a straight line. And I'm thinking because we tracked one in fact, that first spring when Brian and Tim went out there and cast them tracks, I came out the next day because you could see that same in print on the road and it's rock hard road. It gets graded, it's very rock hard, but you can see that right linked and rubbing where a walk. And then we got to the bend in the road and there was a big hill punch coming out of the woodline.
And then we followed that woodline up and we just looked at Okay, something that's this big could go through here. So it just went on that path which spread apart, but vaguely we're in the same path. We wound up with that line was that barb wire fence. We found a spot, a big spot on this side of the barb wire fence where it could have easily stepped over and just really disturbed all that dirt. And they lined right up
with going down to the road. So personally, I think they're using it as a passage and we're just lucky enough that they make mistakes and go off in the creek. Let's talk a little bit about that. This is something I was on a round table just a couple of nights ago on another show. It was me Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping Project. Doug Hichek was on there, Sabilla Irwin was on there. We talked a little bit about
a question that came up was migration. We were just giving our opinions on whether we think sasquatch migrate, because I've talked to hundreds and hundreds of people and everybody seems to have an opinion on that. You mentioned it early on when you were talking. You're getting the same track in relatively the same area a year apart. Do you think these things are hanging in this area all the time. Do you think they're coming from somewhere else, going to somewhere
else, I know migration in and of itself is a subjective thing. What does migrate mean? Can you migrate ten miles and it be migration or does it have to be one hundred miles in just this area? How do you guys feel about the migration? Obviously it's subjective and it's your opinion. Do you think these things migrate and specifically in this area? Do you think these individuals are moving in and out of this area depending on the weather. I
do. I totally think that's happening. I totally think that they're just they're moving through. They'll hit the creek to be unseen and continue off. We have not found beyond that squishy area of the creek because once you get out that and get to high a little bit higher ground on the graded road, it's pretty dry. It's very dry. So I think they are. But Brian's no. We all work together, but we don't agree barely ever.
We're always disagreeing, but it works as a collective for us to be like that, it makes us a very genuine force when looking at this evidence. But yeah, I do, I think they moved through. Brian thinks they're not exactly right there, but they're close by, so everybody has their own theory. But he also found some tracks or further west, and it was a dried up there, and it looked like this one had a pigeon toe on his right foot, and it was walking, and then the gap got
bigger and bigger, so like he went from walking to running. And we don't know if he was chasing a beaver because it was a little swampy area there, and man, it is beaver kingdom. He can walk right across their damn huge So we don't eat a nice, good fast source. Who knows, But I don't know. Man, We're just going to keep on putting the pieces together and talk. All you can really do is talk to locals and hopefully someone opens up and you get a bit of information. You
mentioned it earlier, and you do whatever you're comfortable with. I don't mind you mentioned the names on here. If you don't want to, that's fine. You mentioned a TV personality that said that these things were hoaxed. Let's get into that a little bit, because I'd be honest with you. I've seen a lot of tracks, I've seen a lot of cast from all over the country. I have cast prints here on my property and my neighbor's property in North Carolina. I saw tracks and radium in the moss and in other
areas there, so I'm pretty familiar. It's one of the things that has always interested me the most about this phenomenon when I first saw those, when you sent that pdf over that we've been talking about here that everybody again, you can go over to Parandorworldproductions dot com, check out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the top of the page, and you can follow along if you haven't already been doing that with the pictures that Shane's been talking about and referencing.
I saw those pictures and I was immediately blown away by all the things that you've already pointed out. The mud squished between the toes, the detail that just screams organic to me, it looks like a food stepped in some mud. So let's go back to whoever this was that talked about it big fake, and let's talk about why that's a immediately Yeah, you can look at something and say, ah, look's fake. What were the reasons behind this
were? There's specifics that they were pointing out to say that's why I think this is fake. Yeah, I stepped in track I did. My shoe friend ended up in one of maybe two of them, because I didn't know there was one off the bridge. You gotta understand, you can even watch the video of that day. I'm like a kid that came downstairs in every presence for me and I'm gonna go nuts. So we had this guy out there with us that we were trusting in because we're always looking to fixedp in
the group, and it was awesome. Just that day there happened to be tracks. And now the accusations are only for that day. So this person takes I have to one cast the one has the rock in the bottom, and the other gentleman to the other two. I think it was two. And we also gave him another one from a prior time because it was this whole. We auctioned one off for this very lovely friend of ours that was dying from cancer. It was in the Bigfoot world and she's not wanting to
with us. It was a good thing. So he takes these prints on and he starts blasting them, which is fine, go for it, man, share it with everybody. Then there's a certain somebody sounds like Beth Kalachman and those are fake. So we have him on our ship, Brian and I do, and he apologized. We're like, okay, I'll see you guys out in Texas Jefferson Bigfoot Conference by you guys a beer. I'm like, cool, let's talk about these tracks seriously, because I want to talk
to him about what I just showed you. So he didn't even even know any of that. He's just assuming. So he gets there and he tells that guy, I made those tracks. I jumped with my shoe and then I stepped over five foot and then did it with my other shoe while holding my cutouts or whatever the hell I'm using. And I was caught because when I pushed it down, my shoeprint went down with it. That's impossible, first of all, Number one, that's just straight up pustible. Number two,
my shoes weren't therety number three. I took my wife's car. My wranguler was in the shop. I left my wife's car at the entrance. I rode with Brian down to the cree there's no mud on my car. The guy that was starting to accuse me, he got stuck out there in the mud. So it said, come on, man, let's think about the obvious coincidences here. So Biff Klachman tells this guy, these are all the hopes. Biff takes them all with them home, which I found cocular,
But he takes this guy's evidence. This guy has no more evidence. And they got lead out there in Jefferson where one was looking through a back glass window, and it left like that white Whaley stuff that they talk off. There's different names, and he took that too, came to Texas and took care by up and left. The right thing to do with for best to give us our evidence back. That would be great. If you want to accuse me of being a hoaxer giving my stuff, that you at least
do that. That's how that came about. Am I still salted? Yes, Yes, I am. I can totally understand that. Was there something about I think I heard you talking to It might have been Jeff over at Pine Island Research a couple of years back, but mentioned something about Meldrim was saying something about the size of the tracks. Oh yeah, can we get
into that just a little bit. Sure? So that was like after we casted, and that was I was hoping to be Bigfoot Conference of twenty eighteen, because we only had a few tracks, and it wasn't Meldrum, but it was someone quoting Meldrim saying that there's no way there could be a twenty inch track, And I'm like, how do you know that? We don't even have one. No one's cut off a foot. We don't even know the anatomy completely it. I think it's imposs but another and then according to
his data set, and I was like, is it done? Is the set complete? I don't think it is. I really don't. I think we got long ways ago always talking about we're going down the rabbit hole. Now we're in a rabbit cave, and that cave's got all rabbit holes all around it. That's what I think. Jeff's a friend of mine. I've known Jeff for quite a while. I've had him on my show, I've been on his show. I saw you guys talking about that, and I
thought, let me think about that for a second. Twenty inches that's pretty big, So I thought, what's the biggest human foot. A quick cursory Google search brings up Robert Wadlow, tallest man in the world. I think he's probably the tallest man. That's ever been documented to exist. Eight foot eleven, so almost nine feet tall. His shoe size was a thirty seven double A, and each one of his feet were over a foot and a half long, so eighteen inch feet basically, And this is a huge human
being. Of course, there's a whole litany of things, health problems that come with the issues, and the causation of him to be so big. He had a hard time walking towards the end of his life and those kind of things. But yeah, just int of that, I'm thinking, and that's certainly not the norm, right, I think Shaq's got like a fifteen inch foot or something like that. It's certainly outside the norm, but it's
not in the realm of impossibility to have a sasquatch. That again, we know nothing about walking around in this area in Oklahoma with a twenty inch foot. I thought that was interesting that somebody would even say, oh, that's too big. It couldn't be that big. I don't really know where you would extrapolate that information from to say, if the average is sixteen to seventeen inches that you're seeing across the country, or how tracks are coming in,
I can see the comparison maybe, but I don't know. I just found that interesting. If Robert Wadlow had an eighteen inch foot Sasquatch would be two inches longer, I think. I think so, Yeah, especially sister, like much wider. Yeah, some of the ones that you were doing, you guys are casting, some of them are like eight inches plus wide. Oh yeah, yep. And then one of our guys there he casts some on the Lone Star Trail in Texas. At two thirty in the morning.
They graded and raped forgot how much of the Lone Star Trail in a certain area, and they just let it be and then they checked it periodically, and Dave, they went out there one time, and there were some little ones, man, some little in fact, I've got a replica over there, some little guys. And you're like, oh, I could be a kid. But then you start, after looking at these big tracks, Now
I take all those principles and I put them on these little ones. You could see where the mud moved, where the mid tarsal hinge would be on these little ones. It's just and then some of the ways the little toes were a little bit gnarled to an angle. It totally just reminded me of what we're seeing in Oklahoma. So I just I love when people cast tracks and share. I think we should be doing that a lot more often and just putting some pieces together. I don't know about you. When I first
started doing this, I was like, oh man, I'm different. I'm going to find out something different. No you're not. You're not. Okay. You got to work with everybody, and as a collective, everybody can find out something different. Very wise words, my friend. Let's talk a little bit about the group. I know you guys have a Facebook group. Let's talk about your YouTube channel. Let's talk about what you guys have coming up where people can find you, where they can find your stuff. Awesome.
So yeah, you get on Facebook and I look at Southern Bigfoot Alliance. That's us. Come on in. We'll let you in as long as you're not like a crazy, nazy baby killer or something where we're going to
let you in. It's mainly just to hang out cryptoholics. We've had Cliff on it, and that's just to have fun and dissect pictures, have a guest on just really we're really just grounded dudes, and I just absolutely love all these guys and we welcome if you're going to be a good person and you want to come in, and you're coming because we need all the good folks out there that are level headed and good natured and I got to be
truthful. Yeah, definitely join us there. Look for Cryptoholics. Scryptoholics is on Facebook. I'm not going to tell you the schedule because we don't have We just don't have. We don't have a schedule run scripted. We make mistakes are welcome and you're welcome to watch and comment. Okay, So what we do have coming up is Brian and Aret are going to speak in Tallahena this coming spring. We're going to do our presentation we did in Ho Nubby
last October. That's the first time they had actually two speakers at once. We play off for one another. He's like my brother, man, but I've never gotten into the big fight. I've never met Brian here. It's my dude, man, and we're going to do that again. I been in Tallahena. It's gonna be a blast. And I don't know about you, but many these conferences are awesome to talk to other people. Yeah, you want to show me your picture, I want to see it. I
do is it blurs. Let's look at it this, let me look at it anyway. Okay, let's look at it because I've seen some pictures that have had just made me just stupefied by some of these people. Wow, and they're like, why don't you share it now? Then? But you get it, you know why they won't share all the ridicule, all the haters. But yeah, we'll be doing that, and then of course we're going to do the Creek took out down Hall meeting. That's going to be
fine. But that's all we have, plus the Creek documentary, and then we're shooting one in the Kai Megis too simultaneously. Oh so, Brian and Guss last weekend they went and talked to a gentleman for was it three three and a half hours. I felt so bad for this guy. This was a deathbed confession. He's terminal. I think he's got a nephew, said, and he wanted to share growing up with his family and Bigfoot on their
property and it was pretty amazing. So that's going in our documentary. We're supposed to be going after his property real soon because unfortunate, but he wants to take us out there and show us. You guys go check out the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. I'll link to all that stuff in the show notes. Shane, have had a blast. Good to you, man, Yeah, no, it's great to It's great to talk to you. Brian. Awesome man, Like I said, like meeting new great people. So keep a
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