Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog. We're flying through the or over the tree. I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are you putting? We got some wonder or something
crawling around out here? Did you see what it was? Or was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get somebody out here. What quin On'm out there? I thought of a bitch of about tech fort nine. I don't know. Easy ann out there. Yeah, I'm welcome right Hey you Thinning, Thanks so
much for joining me for the show. I decided to take a little departure from the stories from Alaska with Bread this week for the Wednesday show and bring you a live Bigfoot roundtable that we recorded on Saturday over on the Sasquatch out to See YouTube channel. We had a great lineup of people here and an amazing conversation about a ton of topics in the Bigfoot community. This is part one of two. This went almost an hour and a half, so this
is going to be part one. I'll bring you part two on Friday, so make sure you're back here to tune in for that. But without further ado, let's go over to the Bigfoot Roundtable. Welcome everybody. Hello Daniel, what's going on man? How are you bron I am hanging in like a hair and a biscuit here the big Foot Bungalow. I am so excited about our roundtable today. Before we get into all of that, I just want to get into the chat here and say hello to everybody. People have
been patiently waiting. We got Troy and Tennessee who was first in today. Hello Troy. We've got risked all, welcome to the show. We're glad to have you. We got flat Rock in the house. What is going on man? Long time? No see. We've got Scott Trent. We've got Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. What is going on? Jeremiah, glad to have you, man. Jimmy T's in the house. We've got Scott Welcome to the show Man. Glad to have you. We've got Doustra in the
house, tea time with Tiffany, what's up Tiff? And we got Social Squatch in the house. Welcome. We appreciate you being here for this star studded lineup. We've got Trisha in the house. Hello, Trish. I don't want to leave you out. She was posting about getting my book in the mail. I am so glad that you guys are finally getting those.
I appreciate your patients with the pre sale of the book. It did not go as planned as far as the shipping, but they should be arriving over the next couple of days, so we appreciate you guys for hanging in there. Welcome Daniel, your brain child has come to life. It's time for the Bigfoot Roundtable. You have put this together. We have so many amazing people that are here to talk about Bigfoot. I have been super stoked about this. I appreciate you asking me to help you host this today. I
have been stoked about it. It is not often that you get this kind of caliber of people together in one place at one time to talk about Bigfoot. So kudos to you. My friend for helping to make that happen. I say we get right to it. Let's start bringing these folks on. LUs gut for ends, so we won't introduce our first guests. One of the men of the hour is mister Shane Corson himself. Welcome to the show Man. Hey, thanks Brian for having me on. Thanks Daniel for the
invite. So glad to have you. Without further ado. Next on the list as mister Alex Petakov. Welcome to the show, sir. I'll be doing guys. Thank you for putting us together and thanks Daniel especially for the invite. Man, appreciate it. You're very welcome on. Next on the list the man who needs no introduction, The Man himself, the Man, the Myth, the Legend. Ryan rpg Golumbeski, Welcome to the show Man. Hello, representing all the mister moms all over the world. Good to
see you boys. We are glad to have you both on the show today. My friend and yours the Bigfoot Influencers himself, Tim Halleran, Welcome to the show Man. Thanks for having me, Daniel and Brian. Glad to be here amongst friends. It is awesome to have you, my friend, Thank you. Next on the list, we have a pair here in the screen at the same time, we have Joe and Ron Welcome to the show. What's going on? Guys Guy, Last, but certainly not least,
we have Mike Welcome to the show Man. Good afternoon and evening depending on where your the world. Thank you gentlemen for letting me join you this afternoon. We've got people from everywhere, right, We've got people in the UK right now, We've got East coast, West coast. We had to wrangle a bunch of cats to get everybody together, so it is really good to have you all on the screen at the same time. Daniel, you go ahead, sir. I want to thank you all for being here for this
roundtable. Is an awesome lineup and we have some amazing people in the chat. So I reckon, Brian before we get straight in with our first question. I say we do it, man, Let's go around the horn. Let's go straight to it. Okay, our first question without further ado, Shane Coulson, all right again, glad to be here, glad to see
all these familiar bass. My question with all the investigators and research out there doing this for many years is there any one thing you would like to see implemented within organizations individuals in the future here that maybe will help, but held us something further? Is there anything or are we just back where we're at? Very good question, Alex, We'll go to you first, my friend, Oh boy, I don't know. Maybe I'm a little bit cynical on
this question. I think unfortunately, with the onslaught of the AI stuff, I think it's going to be more difficult than ever. I think personally, a chain of custody with any kind of alleged video or photo evidence. But at the same time, and we still have debates about the PG footage from the sixties and the Freeman footage and you name it right, So I don't think video footage has cut it, or any kind of photographic evidence. I
don't think it will. I personally think that if there was a situation where it might be applicable, Let's say you've got some kind of thermal footage or otherwise, and you had some DNA evidence maybe something else to back it up, some tracks, so you have different tiers of evidence. I think people just need to in general, the chain of custody with alleged evidence as well document things. I think what Chris Spencer and Shane and those guys the OP
do. They do a lot of note taking, a lot of meticulous stuff, and now with all the metadata and stuff with photos and videos and three D scans, like, there's no excuse if you find a track to not try to at least take a three D scan of it, take your photos, get a cast, so you have three pieces of evidence out of one alleged trackway. And then with Daniel, I don't need to really explain the DNA stuff. You could even try to find some me DNA from that.
So I think we're getting to the point where this stuff is so accessible to general people just needs a little bit of education. Maybe that's a direction we need to go in. But I think strictly when it comes to the visual stuff, I think if it was already going to prove something, it would have, and I don't think it has. With AI, it's not going to get any better because it's one of those buckle up scenarios. AI is good for a lot of things, but there's going to be a lot of
bas as we see that there has been since photoshop days. It's only going to get worse. So maybe that's a little cynical, but I think there's areas where people can as citizen scientists, improve on their own. So that's my view on what maybe can be done. I definitely think you're spot on what's a u RPG. I think we should invade academia and take it over and Meldrem shouldn't be the only one or there's a few people standing there.
We need to encourage that more and there should be a class on that somewhere. If you can study a present rock star Taylor Swift, you should be able to study cryptozoology in school. There's enough passion and momentum behind it, So I think that's where it is. How do you do that? You got to make it cool, which I think that's what we're trying to get people to get back into nature. So by shaying, hey, yes you've seen deer and bear in these but this could be there and this is exciting.
It's like kick to that big bass the first time than your book for life if you have moments. So anyway, I don't know, we got to get more people in the schools because as much as I'm an anti schooler, and that's where they respect you and they pay attention. I think that's what you're looking for. What say you, Tim Howard? For me? From the folks I've talked to, there's more collaboration in this subject than we
think, but it's not a collective group. I think if we could get more of a universal possibly from a think tank, getting together more as one unit, I think that will help. Of course, funding is always a thing, and I'm not a researcher obviously, but how many people are researching on their own or even doing podcasts or writing articles. And if we took all that time that we're spending on doing individual things and just put it together,
I think we could push things. That's at least my thoughts. Joe Ron, you guys have some collective thoughts on this individual thoughts? What do you guys think about it? Well, collective is a good way to introduce it, because that's actually our research team's name is the collective. And I agree with Tim there needs to be more collaboration and more sharing of data,
as well as probably a tuning of our lexicon. Anybody who's followed us long enough knows that we look into literally everything that gets sent our way right pretty much, and I think there needs to be a protocol. There's no protocols in any of this. There needs to be a standard, degreed upon protocol that would help. That way we all know that we're speaking about the same thing. We're talking about the same thing, looking the same thing, and
you can adjust your data points to that. If I find something, I can share it with Brian, you know it's exactly what I'm talking about. The word needs to be there. Yeah, structuring of the lexicon, compartmentalization of certain things. Get rid of terminology like WU because it has such a strong derogatory context amongst the community at large. The way we classified as subject
A and subject B bigfoot or bigfoot light go from there. I think it's probably one of the biggest steps we could all take as a community together. Very well said, I have personally been guilty of using the WU word.
I've tried over the last probably six or seven months, as I've talked to people and interview people, to move towards high strangeness other words outside of WU, to try to facilitate that because a lot of people listen to my show and I want to project the right thing into the community, because I too
believe that we need to be collectively looking at this. I think it's very important for us to be very collective in our studies, and I do think in some cases we probably need to stay in our lane as well if everybody's in their lane, but we're working together simultaneously. I think that's very important. I was in law enforcement and we had standard operating procedures for everything we
did. But the greatest thing that everybody was given as a police officer, and the one thing they really could never take take away from us, was discretion. So everybody has the standard protocols, but every investigator has their own discretion to go out and do that and interpret those protocols in their own ways. Because when people say protocols, they feel like they're being put in a box or whatever. I don't see that at all, because it's just how
it works. You have the protocols, and then you have the ability and the discretion to interpret those protocols and implement them in your own way, as long as you stay within that circle of where you're supposed to be playing. I've now answered the question. Someone that Mike answer the question, but then we'll get Daniel's thoughts on it before we move on as I'm coming in here at the end, you guys are pretty much hit most of it. But
the documentation is a key and thinking outside the box. Go talk to folks and other disciplines recently, talk to art specialists on colors and stuff like that, because now you're not always going to interview a witness that's going to see the same colors that you are. You're going to find folks with visual impairments and everything else. The folks that you're going to talk to are going to see things at different times. So yeah, taking the the quote unquote wole
element. But everybody has something to offer. And I'll be that the garbage man picking something up at three o'clock in the morning. You're an artist, they're going to see something a little bit different. So a standardized form of PDF, something that's searchable. Not a lot of folks that go out document and documentation, something that's a searchable database is so important. Building a PDF or something that you can share amongst the ones, or like I said,
you guys are brought up, we can share around the base. I've done some color stuff that we can serve across the world. It's a standardization and the standardization is so important. Simply carrying that a standardized tape measure, that's so important that we're really missing out on a lot of those things. Very good point, Daniel. We save the youngest and most knowledgeable for last. You get to speak on this question. What do you think about it?
Man? So, I think one thing that we touched on was working as a team, I think is the most important key. And I think getting other people involved, the younger generation and bringing them up to help research this topic may give us an answer. And I think having more and more people involved will push this a bit further. I think, as RPG said, helping doctor Jeffrey Meldrum and all those kind of huge researchers, we've got a
great team here, and I think that's one key. I then think another key would be, like Alex said, EDNA is a brilliant tool to use. I think, to really open up everyone using EDNA and everyone casting footprints and everyone learning how to be out in forest, and then it may give us an answer at the end. Very well, said my friend Alex. We're going to shift over to you and we're going to field your question next
for the group. Okay, so this is just a pretty generic question, but I'm wondering if everybody has a personal favorite sighting or encounter that they've researched, whether or not you've personally looked into it or been hold your favorite investigation of a particular incident, or anything along those lines. I think that's an
awesome question. RPG, What do you say, man, I'd love to go into the PG film because after like deep diving into that, which all of us absolutely have, and you're not left going it could go either way. These are exceptional men that could have faked it or they actually could have got it done. I'll just leave that out there because it's not good to craft people's most beautiful dream. But for me, we had a class a sighting right here. We had just moved in. I'll make it a really
short story and just say don't get dogs, they don't like them. Because it came around and it was like that two weeks of high strangeness and yeah, she saw, she said, this man over there, And then when I went and measured it, this thing was over nine feet and tall and thin, reddish brown, and moved so fast and so smooth. She thought it was on a dirt bike. Why this is a nice small story. Is the only nice footage we have out of Starkey Park and where I live.
I live in this small little island at the end where all the nature pours to and follows the river before it comes the mask, so it's an interesting little point. So she saw it there. She also saw something small in the tree, which she said, if you told me they were sloss here in the woods, then that's what I saw in the tree. But it moved so quick, and some moved fast, obviously, I think that's the most fascinating one. And the video out of the bark is of a
very tall not your normal jack. Oh my god, look this football player squatch, a tall, skinny, thin one which would make more sense than climate said. That kind of wippened me. And then we got dogs, and I'm like, damn, it does everything. The turkey, the deer, everything has been pushed back. So that's my advice in my story. Thank you awesome, what about you, Tim Hallarin, I would say one of the most fascinating report stories that I heard. It wasn't a video,
but it was a Kathy and Bob Strain. Strain and a couple other folks a daytime in southeast Oklahoma. That's what most folks know is known to be Area X. They had a group sighting in the daytime. They saw two creatures and chase. These creatures could describe speed, muscle movement, KATHYAXI chase them first. To me, we have to take any visual fighting could be subjective because we all see things here, things smell things differently, size coordinates,
distances. But when you have four people that see the same thing during the day, to me, that's just fascinating. How can you say all four of those people did not see what they saw. So that's the one that kind of sticks out for me, of you know, on the top of my list. I can definitely see why it's odd to have more than one person that actually is involved in a siding. When you can get three, four people like that and multiple people, I think it's absolutely fascinating.
Let's go to Joe and Ron. I think our favorite investigation is easily agreed upon because we've been asked this question a few times. That would be the line B side for multiple reasons. There's been tons of data that's been retrieved from this site. It's still an act of It's got hundreds and hundreds of acres of wilderness. It started off with a report that had been sent into
us. The witness was terrified experiencing PTSD. And this is a marine veteran who has issues from prior service anyway, but shook her to her core. She had had a sighting up on a power line cut after having a breakup, was up there crying out up on top of the mountaintop, just trying to get away from everybody, and the kid went and she had this sighting. It freaked her out. She got to the point where she wouldn't let her kids play outside. She wasn't going out and exercising and walking and hiking
property anymore. She reached out to us. We went out there, we investigated, We found that truckway while we were there, we cast prints, and we worked with her to the extent to where she was actually able to tell you where it was. I'm going to set them a porch and you guys can go do your thing. And then it went from sitting on the porch and talking to us. Do you care if I walk with you?
She said, I don't want to be on camera. I want to open the my hood up and we'll just you can go to whatever you need to do and then adventuring out with this. We showed her what sign was, how to do simple tracking, and then explain to her what was going on, explain to her what the data was revealing at that point, and then by the end of the day, which was around a seven eight hour trip, she had come around to the point where she now had caught the butt.
She went from being terrified and unable to go out and walk her own property to becoming one of the most valuable assets of our team. Now. She's documented multiple accounts up there of what seemed to be Class A or I would say, yeah, subject day and subject V for the best orb photos I've ever seen, geometry within the orb photos and unrelated to Bigfoot, but
just some really strange stuffies on it. It's a weird place. What about you, Mike, what either encounter or investigation that you were involved in. What's been your favorite or most interesting. I've got two to bounce on top of each other, but I'd probably go to the privilege I had with Joe
Schneider. For those guys that knew Joe, he took me to his location that he had his sighting and myself and my research partner were the first ones to get a chance to get back in the woods with him to that location since he had his encounter, having that honor to get out there, and there's enough sightings in that area that really go through and just to have that honor of being with him in that area was really interesting because I ended up
doing some other research within five miles where he had his sighting, where there's another sighting and that individual took us to that piece of property had his sighting in South America. Both those guys were in military veterans, so it was really interesting to hear their perspective and to watch the reactions their physical trauma. So the honor of both those gentlemen sharing their stories. But Joe especially the man was awesome and I do miss him. So I second that one of
my favorite people in Bigfoot wrist All. I put it up there in Joe's honor. Don't sweat the petty stuff. I tell you. I'm almost five hundred episodes into the show at this point, and I've talked to a ton of people with a bunch of interesting experiences and encounters, But I think for me, it was this past October. I was up at Radium. I was out with Todd standing and we were doing some investigating out there. I think it was our second or third night there. It was just me and
Richard and Kyle DeShane, father and son duo. Richard had about at three o'clock in the morning experience where he stepped outside the camper to go take care of his business. He saw this huge dark figure that was standing. I think we marked it off, was about twenty five feet away from him, and he couldn't see very well. He didn't really know what he was looking at. He figured out it wasn't a bear, and then this thing disappeared.
We got up the very next morning, and if you guys have looked at it, I've got a video here somewhere on the Sasquatch out as a YouTube channel, and I've talked about it on the show in the past. I got to go over there in the area where this thing was standing, I don't know six to eight hours after this happened, and I actually got to put my feet in the impressions where this thing stood twenty feet away from this camper. That was probably one of the biggest moments for me. Was
him seeing something was great. I trust him wholeheartedly. This guy has no reason, he has no dog in the fight to lie to me about an experience. But then to have the physical evidence that was left behind with these big impressions in this spang of moss, it was just overpowering for me. It solidified. I was able to check all the boxes and say, he can't definitively say he saw a sasquatch. But once you check those boxes, you go through the totality of the circumstances and say, what could it have
possibly been? Was it a deer? Probably not. It certainly wasn't a person. It wasn't a raccoon, it wasn't a squirrel. You're only left with so many things. To be able to do that in such a quick amount of time after it happened, that's almost impossible to do. I was literally sleeping right there, and then six hours later I'm standing in the spot where the sasquatch was standing. That's pretty powerful for me. So that one's always stuck out because it was most recent, that was back in October of
last year, and I was right there, Johnny on the spot. So what say you shame for me? Basically my original experience in twenty eleven Mount Hood Mine to Night experienced my siding out there solidify the existence of stassquatch. That aside, I had so many favorites, and for me, it's more the collective when you start seeing patterns of predictability or patterns within sighting. RPG
talked about this regish colored thin one. I've heard that multiple times, especially down in Oregon and parts of western Washington, this reddish colored, tall thinner style one. And they're an area down in southwestern Washington for the last twenty years plus there was an individual spotted as what you call it, a juvenile, the grayish color, and the police officers have seen it. Timber cruisers have seen this thing, people driving them seen it, and it's gotten exponentially
bigger. It's grown over these twenty years in this one particular area is the vast area. And so it's really whether it's the pattern in gamelin film, the Paul Freeman stuff, it is the collective. It's everything that I love. It starts to paint a picture that, like you said, you can see commonalities and similarities with a lot of these reports. And I've been investigating many I've talked to hundreds of witnesses like many of you guys have, and
so it's really like the whole combination of them all. I will tell you real quick. One of the neatest investigators I did was with David Ellis of the Olympic Project. There was an individual. It was an area where this fast plot stake she had seen while driving her and her husband and didn't go
away. It dayed around her house for months. In fact, she would see it periodically looking from the tree line up at her house, and she had these big windows with no curtains on, and her husband would leave for a week or two out of town that he worked and traveled. And what was fascinating about that was we would find tracks. We did collect audio, so it wasn't just the fighting. There was actual physical evidence, audio recordings.
You know. I spent nights on this property, even talk to a contractor who didn't know anything about this property or this fast plot in the area. He was working on the route and saw this thing one day walking alongside a fence. He had no idea about anything going on that property, and he was shaken. Third, in fact, he got so bad. This lady ended up selling her house. She moved. She actually moved to Arizona
from Washington. It's stuff like that I really find intriguing. Within everything that was going on with her property, there was a lot of similarity to other situations like I find it fast name when a house is Bacon or a cabin is Bacon for years and then all of a sudden people move into there or come back, and all of a sudden, they're getting weird stuff happening. They're seeing a sasquatch, so they'regat stuff thrown at their house. I see
a lot of similarities with that stuff. That sasquatch has probably been around that area, noticing that no one's been there, and all of a sudden, someone's now residing there. They're fixing up the house, they're playing an apple orchard. Over the years, I've seen a lot of similarities with that, and so that's just one of the little things. But there's just too many
good reports out there in stories and encounters. It's just a collective. I love piecing stuff together every little that level, and stay tuned for more sasquat Jalousy. We'll be right back after these messages. That's what it keeps me coming back. Man, It's all the little nuances and all the things in everybody's stories, the similarities, the things that make you go I've never heard that before. It's all what excites me and keeps me coming back. Now,
Daniel, we'll save the best for last. What about you, sir? Was My absolute favorite would be the Patterson Gimmlram film. It got me interested from when I first started watching Expeditions big But I would possibly then say the Paul Freeman footage. It was very good. I've had some good chats with Michael, and I think they're both amazing. I would possibly then say my favorite Bigfoot experience would be when we came across a odd print that then
turned out to be ridiculous DNA. I'm going to say, and I think that would have to be my kind of top one, not saying that's Bigfoot, but I would say those might top three. I think that's a pretty good top three my Frand all right, what say you? RPG? What you got for us? Man? Talking about an adventure coming up? Who do you trust? I feel like everything we've ever been taught is a lie, and then as an adult you realize that and you rebuild your education and
your foundation. So I want to go under ground. I know there's lots of woods to run, but when you're in an area where you're more surrounded, I think they go under ground. And so my question to the team is one does that have any validity to you? And two? What kind of technologies can we use ASLID are improved? Are there new drones and stuff
that could actually safely take us into these areas? Now the don't get me wrong, I think if they are underground, they just move a four hundred pound boulder in front of a crack and we're not going to find them. But if we have the technology that can see what is beyond, then I'm just very curious about underground. I was wondering what you amazing gentlemen think as well. Up first is Tim Howard. I've been chomping at the bit to answer this question. So what's the use? Yeah? Good, good,
great? Up there first, I think anything's possible. I think some of the challenges I have, I think there's more space, there's cave systems everywhere RPG. I think it's something that's not talked about enough. From a technology standpoint, that's probably out of my realm of expertise of what we can do, But there's got to be a way we can do anything. From a mechanical and a scientific standpoint, we should be able to find ways to get
drones down there, ways to explore them. I guess my questions always is if they are underground, which is very possible, how far are they You would figure they would want to come in and out pretty quickly for food, water, et cetera, all the things you need to survive. So how deep would they be in in the cave system? And obviously you'd have to start exploring how they see? And some of these are questions more than answers.
Can they adapt from being inside a dark environment into a light environment or if not, maybe that are they more nocturnal for that reason too. So I'm not sure if I really answer your question, because I have tons of questions about it myself. I think that was more questions than answers. But we will definitely let you slide. What say you, Joe and Ron on the question of subterranean Sasquatch. We are from West Virginia. It is the
land of probably the most abandoned coal mines on the East coast. The majority of them are not sealed off, it's extremely probable that these things are at least using them as winter shelters or severe weather shelters, if not permanent shelters. That's just my opinion. They're there, so why might use them? If these are a creature with any kind of intellect that is as smart as we say they are and behaves as human as we say they behave, then
why not use up there? And as for the technology, you've got that the technology you're going to need, something like ground penetrating radar, You're gonna need some kind of experimental technology it doesn't even exist as far as I know, or something that we generate an extremely low frequency if you're talking about stuff the government's got, but we don't have that similar level right now. I guess pinkers could possibly come up with something like that. You'll give me another
ten years. I'm not going to make one, but you're probably going to buy one by then. But that's what you're looking at. You need something that can go through a lot of rock. If that's where they're at, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, Doug hih Jack's probably got one of those things in his basement right now, waiting to pull it out like the mad scientist that he is. I don't know if you look at some of the stuff that I think it was China, the Takara toys,
the people who make the Transformer toys. They just made a roadver camera that and you can buy a copy of it yourself. It's a Transformer tool. It takes minds like that and like Dougs to create some of this technology that can de pully in strange and bizarre environments. Strange and bizarre connected to Doug Hijack, that's amazing. What say you, Mike, what do you think about the subterranean Sasquad. I'm always on that lookout. I definitely in
my area. I've got a lot of waterfalls. There's a lot of stuff back behind the waterfalls. There are some FPV drones that are out there that have multi spectral cameras, thermal cameras. The Avanti there is a caged drone that you can fly in at tight spaces. It's a first person viewer, so you can get in there and it's a lot of fun to fly, bounce off of walls and everything else. And I'll rewrite itself there are some
small robot cameras that are out there. A lot more for swat teams, but there's some little kid ones that are out there that I'll give you cameras. They've got track systems so you can get them in the light our systems are really come down in price where you can go on and buy those things yourself through like digike and that, and build your own additions to your drones. So under probably five grand you can put your own little light ar drone
or multi spectral or thermal drone together and run them for work. I use drones all the time. That stuff is available. I'm not really that experience with the light our stuff, but getting some of the light are things that are available. Using those three D scanning apps that we're using on our phones or buying some of the more expensive ones, you can scan an area for that depth. And I'll always throw that back to Joe and Ron when it
comes to the three D stuff because they spend more time on engineering. But the kids are out there. I've got a robot kit that's in the shop over here that it's simple, but getting a small set up and putting the cameras on there, you can do under a decent price. But those scans are out there if you get on some of your state websites. A lot of states have gone through and done light our scans of the environment. I
know we have here in New York. It's just finding somebody that knows how to read those light our things, so the stuff is there, it's available, and just knowing where they're located and being safe about it too. Though it's a specialty in its own You don't want anybody getting trapped in a cage because hey, we were talking about it. Talk to your search and rescue, talk to your geology teams at your local college. You're probably going to
find it. But a lot of that stuff is kept quiet, especially if there's mining rights. I know here in New York you're not allowed to touch any of those minerals. They belong to the state, so any of the precious stuff. So a lot of those mines are kept really quiet because of commerce. But RPG I'm on that would like to look at some of those things in the photo that's behind me. There's a lot of caves in that area. There's a lot of gorges, there's a lot of sightings on the
piece of property that's there. It's always something to look at. Shane, what do you think about the subterranean Sasquatch? As Kim said, Anything's possible. Absolutely, I personally have a little bit of a hard time with it. Now I'm up here in western Washington. It rains a ton up here. The ground's always saturated for a large cave system, and there are some
like ports, Mount Thain, Hellos and stuff like that. Just with all the logging and stuff that goes on up in these areas where a lot of these encounters happen, it'd be very hard to have a cave up in these areas without being found, discovered, dug up at some point, prefallover up route. All the mines that I've been in to up here, which I'm a fairly thin guy, I can barely squeeze into a lot of them, have blasted shut. There's no sign of anything even going in there other than
pack rats and bats. But I think they could definitely in some parts of the country and in certain circumstances utilizing capes. Bears do a lot of animals do. I just I don't know if they need to, at least up here in Western Washington. Parks, Canada, where that there's so much wood. It's looking for a moving needle on a hay stack. But they can be transitory, moving from elevation to elevation, like the elk do I I hunt elk and I don't bear, and I hunt a lot of animals and
you just don't come across them. Sometimes they're at different elevations. They smell you, they know you're there. I don't think sasquatch has a hard time hiding and it. You know, this necessary we've been working on for years is an area where they periodically build nests above ground. I just don't see a need for caves unless they're in areas where there are like you guys were talking about big systems mines, then why not and then also you would have
to have a lot of tunnels. How but it's doom. It's to go in the cave is like you're trapped and that's it. It's like climbing the tree, going one way up and one way down. A lot of the cape systems are one way in and one way up. So I just don't think they're going to put themselves in a vulnerable situation where they can be trapped do they make mistakes? Absolutely? Do they use caves probably, I just don't know if they're living in them more than they're just utilizing them. I'm
not claiming to know anything. I think it's a very high possibility. It's something definitely to look at for sure. And then the technology aspect was pretty much covered here by these guys are better spoken on it. I think the
technology is catching up. It's becoming cheaper and more affordable. If there is a cave system or or somewhere of interest, not if you put cameras up, but I think one least intrusive things you can do, it's just play some audio nearby and see if you can pick up something going in and out of that area or in that area that might point towards that cave or tunnel being something that they might be utilizing or something's utilizing. Is my two cents.
A. What do you think about the caves? Yeah, this is actually something I have a lot of thoughts about. I've been really deep diving into abandoned mines and caves. I'm working on a new series called Strange Places for Small Town Monsters, and it's non bigfoot stuff, So I've been going into a lot of weird directions, including abandoned mines all up and down the
Appalachians and caves. I think I agree most with Shane on the Bigfoot question when it comes to caves and mines, but I think everyone brought up some fantastic points. So for example, I'll explain a little bit about a position. But where I live here in the Northern Appalachians, New Hampshire, we're at the tail end. It's a lot of branded up here. We don't
have a lot of natural cave formations. They just don't happen. Most of what we have are rock overhangs, like I've even got one on my property here where it's a glacial erratic that was deposited during the melting of the ice and the glaciers, and it's just a giant boulder in the middle of the woods and it's a little overhang and porcupine actually currently lives in there because I see as poop everywhere. They poop where they eat and sleep kind of thing,
or run into a porcupine den. So we have a lot of these overhangs. There's just not big cave systems. I could imagine something like a sasquatch or really any other kind of creature. Bears other critters use these overhangs as like a temporary winter shelter. Absolutely, But then as soon as you get down to say New York, Pennsylvania, going down the Appalachians, you start seeing a lot more of that limestone and some of the other geologic formations
that create these impressive cave systems. I've been in some of them in Joe and Ron's Neck of the woods there in West Virginia. That you could just get lost in these caves how deep they is. And I think if something like a sasqutch is utilizing these caves, you have limited a light in there. Even for nocturnal animals, they still need some kind of light to use
that to help with their night vision. At least from what I understand about Tipedum lucidum, which I'm not a biologist, I don't know that much about it. I'd have to refer to somebody who knew what they're talking about. But abandoned minds are very dangerous places. I can't talk a lot publicly about this because I'm working with some people on this topic and I'll be doing a documentary about col mining in certain parts of the appellations. I've got to be
careful what I say. I won't even give a region not to get anybody in trouble. But from what I understand, there's a lot of these minds that you actually go into and there's something called black damp, which is an asphyxiate which will basically kill you within a few minutes. It's some kind of a chemical release from some of the geologic formations in there that unless you have some sort of a detector, and I think somebody in the comments even had
said by yourself a gas detector. I think Jimmy t had said that in the comments earlier, and I noticed that, And a lot of these people I'm talking to they do this kind of stuff a lot, So they have this sort of equipment, a lot of people exploring these places, and what's interesting is they'll find bones of bears and other animals that have gone into these mines and have died and are just stuck in there because they couldn't find a
way out. Maybe they kept going in there was a threat or something, and they kept going in and they couldn't find a way out. A lot of times you don't know where, especially if it's a natural cave formation. Unless it's been mapped, you don't know where it's going to lead to. I watch a couple of these guys that are total lunatics down there in Georgia that go through those tiny little caves to talk about claustrophobia trying to go through
some of this stuff. They don't know where they're going to end up. But the technology aspect's really interesting. You do have penetrating lidar that it's been used to map caves out. Even got to found an article by James Madison
University students were using this technology to map these caves out. But the technology is there again, I think, as other people had brought up, to what extent it's accessible to the public is definitely a question I would say to bring my whole spiel back, I would imagine some mines, some caves, maybe in more remote areas, because especially in all of them down the Appalachians, excluding my area here from New York down to Georgia. As Joe those
guys talked about so many abandoned minds. Can imagine maybe using them to some extent opportunistically. But I don't imagine going from point A to point B again, because let's say a sasquatch goes in there and runs into some black dam. They just die down there, and then one of these YouTube guys goes in there, comes across this and that hasn't happened. Yeah, I think I'm a little more skeptical on that, but I don't think it's out of
the realm of possibility, especially in an opportunistic sense. Again, I've been thinking about this topic a lot because I've been going into this direction for other series. Yeah, I'll be going underground here soon, so I'll let you guys know if I find anything. You heard it here first, people, Alex is going a subterranean This is actually something that came up on the last
roundtable that I was a part of. I was a guest over on Calling All Beings with DJ and those guys on a round table a couple of months back with Doug and a couple of other folks, and one of those people with Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping Project. And Scott is really interested in caves and getting as much dat as possible, and he brought it to my
attention. I had no idea that there's a federal law that prevents from publishing locations to a lot of these caves that we would love to know where they're at. And that was one of the questions that Scott had, and he was talking specifically. I can't remember exactly what the law was. It's always passed under the guise of safety, which I get on a lot of levels. And I told him that's one of the things that easiest to introduce, and whatever local or state government it is, if it's for safety, if
somebody dies, then you can close it off. I think it has other connotations attached to it. We won't get into that. That's another conversation for another day. But I think it's interesting that during that conversation we talk more about the colder climates and what does sasquatch do if they are apes, and typically apes aren't found in very cold climates Minnesota, for example, it be
thirty below. In some of these cases, a cave would probably save a sasquatch's life if they were able to crawl into it and it's forty below and the windshield is negative sixty. I think it's more along those lines that they might be seeking shelter, very much like some of you guys have said, I don't think it's something they're doing year round. I don't think they need them year round. That's just my two cents. But it doesn't matter what I think. What do you think, Daniel, what do you say about
the subterranean Bigfoot? So I would say that they now them living in it. I would agree with some of these guys on here, that is a way that they'll get caught. Let's say a mining team going there and they have no exit. So I would say, possibly they can live in it. I don't think they do all the time, but I think they use it as a travel system to travel through areas unsync, and that's possibly how sometimes they just disappear. They go into a cave to get away from that
human life, and then they come back up in a different area. And there are loads of when you look at the geology of some of the areas, like my area has gaps that they can have. But I think living in there, I'm not sure. And then going on to the technology side, I think we are revolving very quickly, and I think we are one day going to get a piece of tech that we'll be able to have a
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