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It is John in April from Midnight Squatchers. Welcome to the show. Hey, you're right, thank you. I am glad to have you both. Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. John. Let's start with you. I like to start in the simplest of places. Sometimes it's not so simple. What guy you interested in the subject of bigfoot sasquatch? To begin with? I was probably back in the early seventies,
always been into horror, flex and stuff since a kid. But of course the passing Gimman film All the Old in Search of I followed that pretty heavily. I was born in sixty five, so early seventies there wasn't a lot of literature on the bigfoot subject. It was sparsely. I've been into anything goes Pampa the night, but big pols. My poor Kat just always thoughts got to be something to this. As a kid, and being a border raised in northern California, being around that area, there's quite a bit of
sightings. That's what got me started into that as a kid, and I just went from there. It just took off. What about you, April? Was it meeting John so many years ago that got you interested in the subject? Was Bigfoot on your radar before you? Guys met and my grandma, my great grandma, I was just say, don't go into woods at night by yourself, because they're out there. I didn't really listen to all them. I went out there anyway, and I just like the woods,
never seen nothing. And then we were going on a vacation and I had a shutting out in Georgia and never told nobody. Then he was telling me about his encounters and stuff. That's how it at where we are now. I definitely want to get into your siding in Georgia. I was born and raised in Georgia, so those kind of sidings in those areas always fascinate me. But John, let's move back to you. Let's talk a little bit
about Obviously you were a kid, you were interested in this. Did you start going out in the woods looking for Bigfoot and that led to an encounter? Take us back to where you were, what you were doing, and tell us what happened during your first experience. My dad was a fishing new commissioner, so we were always out in the woods. My dad and mom were like Billy go chouting the mom bay. We'd love to go rock fishing, so we were always out fishing in the woods. As a kid,
mainly did hiding like foul. I didn't do to much of the deer or any but he had a lot of different apple orchards and he managed and I was able to get out there in the orchards where I've heard a lot of sidings fromm and his friend that lived right down the road from us, a six thousand acre cattle ranch which borders started Santa Cruz Mountains, where a lot of sidings, or even on the BFRO sites and different areas, there's still
some reports of them. That's where I grew up and hung out. So I was always out in the woods, and I as a kid, I thought I'd seen something, but I didn't know what I knew. Now, we see a cow walking over in the moonlight on the six thousand cattle ranch towards a lake he had out there by the mountain. I just thought it was a cow walking sideways. I didn't think nothing about Bigfoot. So that's a possibility I look back at it. But that's what kind of got me
into this. As a teenageer, I would always be I'd run them woods. I'd drive around, had a sixty three and powler, I'd be out. I'd pick up any Bay girls guys, they let's just go up to the woods. So I I was always out in the woods driving around. I'm knowing of them guys to drive out through the one two in the morning, as long as I can stay out till I got tired and it come back. I roamed them wood Senator's Mountains. They went up by Lower Prieta
where the earthquake hit in eighty nine, and all through there. So it's a lot of mountains and a lot of woods out to the Redwoods. I was always out there in the eighties, I camped out there. Ever, it's some strange noises. Again, if I knew what I knew now, it would have been a game changer. But over the years we all evolved. We learn as we go. In the nineties is where it really started hitting me. I was going to the divorce and had just lost my dad,
so I'll spent a lot of time in the woods. Just wanted to get out there. It's good for the health. Again. I picked up people, Hey, let's go camp and let's go here whoever I can find that dragon with me. In the early nineties, I was camping out there and we took a walk, probably a good eight mile hike down places where I was born and raised there. Never went down these trails. I always been asthmatic and had bronchitis, so I really didn't venture too far, but
I pushed my limits that day. Thank god, it was all downhill, but all the way down hill. I think we got about maybe four miles into the hike and there was a little metal clearing and I never forget this. I was with my son, he was very young at the time, and a friend of my named Rodrigo and his dog. We've seen this big teepee structure over by the edge of the field by the Redwoods. It was just a little clearing. I'm talking maybe one hundred feet at the max.
I couldn't make it over there. It was a real thick rush and he goes John, he know what's that? And I told him I don't know, but I read stories about these teepee structures that they put might make and he'd laughed to be off, Bigfoot, you and your big butt. He never did believe in it. It was intriguing because it looked teepy and woven together, but it was about twelve foot tall and it was a little opening,
so that kind of stood out to me. Well, we continue a hike and we're going to start back up the day he went by, and they never didn't make it back up to the way We had to get a ride backed up. It was just too far. That night we were camp and I'm going to start from the beginning how things escalated from there? Have been out. Yeah, you hear your raccoons once in a while. We're
primitive way in the back. We're doing too many campers out there, and everybody started retired, going to be like, I'm gonna have a beer and I'll turn in a little bit, so you guys have a good night. So I'm sitting a by myself. And you always hear them little scury, it'll be a scroll whatever. It gets to you a little bit, and
I don't get scared too easy. But I heard this howl and the only that I can way related to is the Ohio how you had that real dragged out came way down in the ravine there in the brother down the mountain, had to be at least a mile away. It was like that real dragged out moan. It went on for a good twenty five thirty seconds, and it just got to me and I thought, I've been out in the woods
a lot, but that's different. I think that's what people here A lot of different stories in the seventies seen rod More heads of chatter that they record serra sounds, but this was a moan. It was just different. That kind of nerved me. And I always said in my eyes glued to the forest ever since and drove them roads. Fast forward to about to the mid nineties. I had met my second wife and we were just date at the time, and I was coming over the hill and it was probably only about
ten thirty night, bright moonlit night. We're coming on the pool offs overlooking the Monterey Bay, which is a beautiful place. I missed that place growing up. There see the lights of Santa Cruz on one side, Monterey and the other and my hometown walking all down below. We went there maybe five minutes and we were just sitting there, chattering, overlooking and just doing what a couple does. And all of a sudden, I read this bloom right
against my window, the driver's side, and it startled us. We got spooked, and I looked and there was a dirt mark. If you ever see a bird hit the window on the feathers, that's what it looked like, a dirt mark. I am pretty got you all the time, opened the door and got out, and I was thinking, something's out here. I didn't know what. Maybe it was a person messing with I don't know.
So I got out and there was a dirt clod and it was for Jenna summer where for a bright moment and lit it looked like the whole mountains let up the road down it's just like. So I turned the light. But there was a dirt clod broken in three places, real hard where it had hitten and broke. Right When I got out of the door to look at the clotter hurt some movement up on the hill. It's about fifty foot it goes up and there is a house way up on the hill, but
sparsely have it. They ain't too me houses around. It doesn't making me said, so it was standing up there by the red woods on this stow pine tree, but the pine tree was swaying back and forth, and the rocks were tingling down to the road, the road that goes around up to the Malamadonna, the park there. Later on up the hill, I thought, geez, something must have been standing there. So I started trying to figure out. But if he threw the rock at me, how can it
do a boomerang and come back and hit That'll make any sense. I started thinking that said she's let's just go. I don't like it here. I'm getting the willy Jilly's nice when you get out here. So I kind of feeling that something. You get that feeling, like that sense of something watching you. And off to my left where that rock had come tord and hit the car, I never seen nothing, but I had a feeling something was there. Your sense tells you it's time to go, and we all have
that, and it happens. And I've been out in the woods a lot. If you feel something's not right, it probably isn't. We got in the car and proceeded out of there, and I just didn't think much of it after that. So fast forward two years ago. Now, so that's two kind of incidents. And I compiled and said, yeah, maybe who
knows. I don't know. Baby. I hadn't picked up a friend of mine and we're gonna go up the road, and I told, let's just go up and we'll cruise around and I'll had long glass business, John's Autoglass, so I had my own glass shop. I had a little try to pick up the campus shell and I go, I'm gonna put a couple of beers in the back and we'll go on the back roads and open the slider
and when we're way up there's the way around. We can pull one out and have one this cruise some of the log roads because it's only ten fifteen miles an hour up there, so I usually no one out there and you can't get through part times you're gonna have to back up for wasts it till you find a little room to get by. We had been out and probably were out there being at least nine thirty till about almost one. I'd say,
you know, we're coming back down the road. And when you come down that back road, it's very dark, desolate, and its wiggles around down the hill and we're about three corters the way down, almost down to the bottom, and there was a little like creek that comes down to a runoff and it cleared up. There was another bright lit night and we had to us arrest. You have a berry. You had to go sooner later I said, yeah, I go pull over as you're there in there and
you can get off. We got off, you see, to go about maybe ten put away back from the truck there, and we're doing our duty. Before you can say thing. He goes. My nickname is jay d and he he goes. He starts stuttering, and this guy don't stuttering. He's pointing out and you're looking about a forty five or gree angle and he goes straight down their side, five hundred feet all the way down. We're on the edge of a mountain. And I looked at him and go,
what's wrong with you? And he points and I looked up and I see this at least nine foot tall or foot wire the shoulders, there's no neck. It was just like that to me. I always said this Danny Prez wrote about in Bigfoot Times back April issue of twenty two. But it just looked like there was just a bump on the shoulders. It wasn't really much of a hedge around, but the shoulders was what got to me. And just it was out in normal. It just didn't look right. It's just
huge. But I can see it from about the thighs up and this things swaying and it starts a grunt, and like a deep girl grunt. What swaying? I had one long bud bottles, only had maybe a quarter of that left. I don't know why I did this. But I looked up and I was staring at this day and I was there me fifteen seconds and I look up and I went hey, and I yelled, and I was again. I threw that bottle up, which went about ten feet. It didn't go very far. It clinked around, and this thing froze. Now
my mind, I got out of there, but I didn't run. Believe, when I walked real fast, I was afraid that I ran. Something was gonna Really this thing would have chased me if it was what I think it was. But when I threw that bottle and it stopped, I knew I was looking at something. And I started hearing what steps crouching through the ground, But I never did see a move. I turned around right when I heard that it sounded like it was coming down towards me. I got
back in my truck. Never did roll back up the window, which I found out later. I got down the hill. I was so scared. I've never been that scared in my life. They proceeded down the hill. He can only go about ten fifteen miles an hour down this road. He ain't gonna just motor down there. That's what I wanted to do. But there was just no possible way. I never looked back. I started the
truck and got the heck out. I never looked back. I didn't realize that the window down to Maybe twenty minutes later, I got down the hill and I fell a week about was in shot. Like I said, I did write about it and Bigfoot times. The only thing I could compared it to is my dad would help out with the promotion of a lot of wrestlers back in the day, and I've met Andrea a few times. He was a pretty cant over my head in a little Montoya. This thing made Andrea
look like a midget. I've never seen. How can something be on this planet that huge and that wide and that mass. It just didn't make any sense. But we got down the hill. My friend he had looked at me and go shoot. I forgot to zip up and do what I had to do. He just looked at me. What the heck was that? He didn't talk to me all the way down. He was scared, and I told him, I think all this time I've been coming up here, he's been on me several times ago. I think I've finally seen what I
wanted to see. I don't want to see it again. It just freaked me out that area. I've been back twice during the day now. I've flown out to California's my hometown many times of April, and we've got a little HONDI ret car and I tried to get down that place at night, and I can't do it. I can go anywhere, I can go by myself. I go around the Differens area til four am, walking sometimes by myself, which I shouldn't, but I cannot get myself to go back down
at one road. I don't know why. I've tried, and you get about three carlings. It's dark. I get the chills even thinking about it. I just want to turn around. I just don't want to go down there. I don't either. Man, she'd have been down there. She goes the way it looked. I don't want to go down there. But it's mossy, it's dark, it's the redwood. So that was the first sighting I had. That was ninety seven. About a year later, I had my kids playing in the back of the truck and me and my second
wife were cruising around and we had went out again. Like I said, I'd go out there two or three times a week, just driving around to see what I could see him. And we were coming around the band on the other side, this would be towards the coachs. Coming down the other side of the road and around the bind, there's a I never forget there was a little picked white fence that it was a little road where it narrows to one lane. It's just a little it's got a covert goes on her
sow. It's real narrow there and then it turns around the corner. We were coming there and we went around that and there's nobody around, just to us, and it's about ten at night. Maybe it was getting towards October, so we got darker earlier. And I remember my kids were playing in the back and they were goofing around in the back of the shove of the truck. As I came around the bend, I've seen a block and it didn't look massive, nothing like what I've seen up on the other side.
It looked real skinny and almost like a basketball player, but tall seven and a half eight foot tall crossed the road. As we came around, I caught just you can see the firns was walking it's a quick bluer has it cross the road and hopped over this little road and went down to the rhea. It was a little creek there, and I don't know where it went from there because it was dark. This place is very dark and you couldn't see. But I got maybe just a blink of an eye as it just
bowmo was gone and I go stop. She said, I don't wants to stop. She stopped. My youngest boy who lives up here with him. Now, the oldest boy lives out there still, he's seen it, my youngest. My oldest boy said, he don't know what we're talking about. My youngest boy's seen it. Heause, dah, what was that that dark figure that went over. There's a dark man. I said, I don't know. I got off again. I am pretty brave. I did get
off and I went to the side of the road there. I didn't have a flat with me and just really didn't even consider that back then, and I looked to go down. You couldn't see. It was just pitch black. I couldn't see nothing. Well, strange is I started getting like a buzzing feeling in my shed and I don't know what that was. But just when I've heard of infra sound, I don't know whether it feel like a buzzing in my head and you get that sense again, get out of here.
You don't belong here. So I didn't stay there too. I try to look for maybe five ten seconds, and then I had that feeling and I said, no, I'm gonna go. Just something's not right. So we got out of there, and my second wife were so happy I got back in the car. She was yelling at me the whole time, what was that? Can I come out there? I'm like, no, you stay in there. You know, got the little screen open in the back of the camper while you're staying there. But he got in and I did
go back out there the next day. Then with another frind, I picked up wherever I could when I want to go to the mountains, and I did find a partial print. It looked like you had hit the pavement pushed off, and it was probably about six foot six inches wide and probably about two inches deep where someone pushed off, and then it looked like it jumped
there. It looked to me like a pig or a cap that went rolling down there and squished a bunch of bushes out and it didn't happen right away, though it looked like after it jumped, it was probably about fifteen feet and then you can see all them bushes scattered down, so strange. I thought about casting a chance of that little. I thought it's worthless. It's just a it's in the middle of where it pushed off and left a little
impression there. But there were the two sidings that I have actually seen one and I do believe they exists. Because I know they exist. There's nothing else that could have been after that. I just would go out as much as I could, but just not that one road the second side. He didn't bug me too much that the first sighting. If you would have been there with me riding seen how massive this thing was, I get the chills
on each shoulder. And I'm telling you, I made a cardboard cutouts still not as big as that, a mini one that built her a little shit and that's going to go in the back when the pin and mural. It's similar to what I see. But it's amazing. I can't believe how massive these creatures are. It's mind boggling. You're definitely not the first person to say that to me. I want to get into some of the Minnesota stuff and some of the research and some of the pictures you sent me. But
let's shift gears and go over to April for a second. Take us to Georgia. April, tell us what part of Georgia you were in, Where were you, what were you, what were you doing? And what happened to you? What did you see? It happened in ninety six. I don't remember the town. All I know is with the timeshare at Blue Green. Because my boyfriend made the plans to go on vacation to go to Florida. On our way down from Minnesota, we went down to Georgia stayed for
a nightcap. It was rainy and windy and lightning storm. It was eerie because we turned down this long dry really long and it just went around and the trees and it was dark. It was just really eerie. We get to the gate, we get the key, we go in, and we get to our cabin that we had for the night. We smell this really garbage smell. We thought, oh, maybe they just didn't come get the garbage and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're right back after
these messages. So we got inside and got settled, and he went and took the shower and stuff, and I was hanging out and checked for mom. Say I made it here, okay. And all of a sudden, I look up. We got this fortune. There's like shutters and stuff. Can you go upside and stuff? The shutters were going like this, and I heard banging, and I'm like, what is that? So I was looking at the TV for a little bit. Now, all of a sudden
I heard bang and the shutter finally came open. I looked out and there was this red eye, I wide wet, black bigfoot, just huge, and he just kept looking at me. And I turned away look at TV and I look back and I can't believe what I'm seeing. I look up again and I'm like, that's what my grandma told me what they were like. So I'm sitting here and my boyfriend at the time comes out and he goes, what are you looking at? I go, it's the shutters, look at it. It came open and stuff. He goes, I'm going
outside, and I said, no, you're not. He goes, it's raining and stuff. You don't need to look. He'slee Samson went outside and looked and there was nowhere in sight. Was the bigfoot around nothing. I don't know if he was hiding behind a tree or something, because there's trees around our cabin. And he said the shutters came in and he looked at me again. He goes, why are you so quiet? And I said, there's a long trip. I'm ready to just relax here, and he
goes, but you don't look great. He goes, what is wrong with you? And I told him. He said nothing, and that was that and I never told him, never told nobody about my encounter until I met j D and Jade start talking about Big Bud and his encounters, and then I said, you know what that I had one, and he goes, really, And I told him all about it, and from that day on he believed me in And usually people will think cay are weird and stuff.
So that's why I didn't say anything until I met him when he talked about it. Yeah, I've heard that story so many times in so many different ways. People have those encounters. I talked to one gentleman, I don't know, it's probably a couple of months back, and his wife was very much like that he had just lost his wife not too long ago. She passed away, but she shared her encounters with him because he was interested in
the subject and he had seen one at some point in time. And I just thought how sad that was that it really bothered her for a lot of years, and it's bothered him as well. There's a little bit of PTSD. I think that along in a lot of these sightings with people, you just clam up and you don't talk about it, like you said, because you think people are gonna think you're crazy, or they're gonna make fun of you, or whatever the case may be. I've said this to so many
people over the years. I said it to Bob and Kathy Strain, who have been on the show separately, have never had them on it at the same time. But the people who have somebody in their life that think what you want about people into Bigfoot, who have experiences or just are interested in the subject. I've never seen one, but I do research. I do a full time podcast, couple of podcasts about nothing but Bigfoot, and people
find that strange. I said all that to say, when you are able to find somebody in your life that you can share that part of your life with I think it's one of the greatest things in the world, because, Hey, you got somebody you can confide in and they don't think you're crazy and they don't look at you like you got four heads. But you also have something that shared that you can go out and do together. And I know we were talking a little bit before we got on the air, John
that you guys go out together and do some research. You guys sent some photos over and I certainly want to talk about some of that. So let's fast forward to get into the Minnesota part of where you guys are. Now, what are you guys doing as far as research? Are you going out on public land private land? Where are you guys going and what do you find in and what kind of experiences are you having in the area that you're in now? Yeah, sure, Brian, by the way, you're right
having a couple together. I have no dug hijacked for a while now, And he told me it's awesome that it's very rare to see a couple goes out and does the stuff. For you guys are lucky. I think it for granted and we have a little say and imagine that. So if dog. You ever see this, imagine it's just our thinking. So anyway, yeah, we're part of the Driftless Area. We're gonna be working with a few other people and we're gonna be filming down this area in June and I'll
lead you more of that. I don't say too much about that. I'm making a documentary down there. But the Driftless Area, we do public land and we got private land. We have both that we research on where we researched mainly on and we just clear out one hundred foot area last year week camp on it and we have about four tenths something. You can drive down in there about half mile to a mile, then you can research the area. There's a probably about five or an acre, but we researched probably about
twenty of it real heavily and we've had some good luck. But it's part of the driblest there. We got live cameras up right now in between Wisconsin and the Cross down by Spring Valley and Harmony where a lot of the caves. They have a lot of caves and tourist tractions there. But we live here in Claremont in a rural area. There's only I think twice here that we've heard something around the area. But it's a very interesting area. A lot of creeks, little small towns around us. We have a lot of
parks, state parks. We've got one three miles from us, which is very cool. Another one down the road from there, maybe twenty miles in the Driftless area where we goes by the hour from US. That area had a lot of sightings. Dan A. Drello is a great friend of mine. Actually took them down to about a month and a half ago for a big function and we had one of them big four whelers. They got the tank tracks. We've got through the call, but we went down in the
middle of nowhere. It's got stuck. But you know, they looks squatchy. So that area we've had howls. We've had something grunt ass three times. In one night, I put my tent right up against the ravine, nothing but forest. It leads down to a creek that's freaky enough. If I took you the other night, it's just creepy down there. The farmer guy that was there said he wouldn't go down there at night. He goes
the only reason he's coming down there because I'm with him. He say he get some weird vibe out there, and we did have some remote view it and they thought they've seen something out there. But we've had some weird, strange howls. I've heard a scream one night, saying a lady just not having a great time, like just scream atop for along, but don't make any sense. Some of the farmers have heard babies cry. What got me
interested in this area though, is one of the farmers down there. I'm gonna need no names because I really talked to her stories or til we go out there. I'm missing him. But he was having a big brush fire. And this would probably be maybe three or four houses down from where we researched on this farm. And he has land too, I think he has one hundred acres. He was having a big brush fire. I think this was maybe five years ago, up the quite side of a car, and
he hunts his land avidly and there's forest right there. Then little were the ways he had that brush fire in his house in the background, I guess him and his ten year old kid was out there and they were just he was having a beer, listen to music and they were watching the fire burn up some brush and he heard something thrashing around out in the brush there in the forest. He thought, maybe once all to get a bear that runs through down here in southern Minnesota. But he didn't know what it was.
It was big, stratched around these tire hears some fronts and some weird like spreams, and he said, all of a sudden, this nine foot tall creature came out and he could see it clear as can be, just muscled up, massive, and you see the face all leatherly wrinkled up, and it screamed at him, and he grabbed his kid round the waist and he telled it to the house. And he said, but before this happened, if I remember right, he said, it picked up like a big log
and threw it right by him. Didn't hit them, but throw by them. That's where he was standing, look at them, picked up skidding, went in the house, and he said he heard it thrash around for about twenty minutes, screaming and throwing like he was upset, throwing a fit. He sayd he live her ten years, never had nothing like that, never see nothing like that. Even believe in these creatures. He does now. He went the house, stayed in there Wilson night. I think his wife's
at the time, I didn't know what he was doing. I think she questioned that. I don't remember the whole story I got talked to him, but I heard it from three or four farmers. Now he went back out through the next day. He's got pictures. I can't wait to see. It's been two years. I never had ran into this guy yet, but he's got pictures. He went out the next day and found tracks and they were seventeen and a half inches long, very deep, two and a half
inches and they were walking into the forest. It came out in a circle, back and forth. I can't wait to see these. So when I heard this, I thought, I'm going down this area and talked to the farmer the sun and he goes, yeah, if you want to come down, we can hang out. So started doing that two years ago. Presearch just became like almost in every other weekend that we were just down there.
So last year we cleaned out. You said, arn't food area. We can get down there and camp All last year we were down there probably at least twenty times, camping, just hanging out. But that was one of the reports from that area. The BFR does have if you look up Spring Valley, they have two reports not less than maybe five or six miles from that area where we camp out avidly now and I have a research area which
is permanent. The land owners gave a permission we can go out there, and they say, you got ring a few people, just don't bring on a whole tribe. I get it. My dad had land. I understand that. There's two reports. Like I said, it's document it. Even the Bigfoot Mapping Project has that on there. And we're just maybe about five miles up from that area, and it's with it. There's a lot of farm land and there's trees, a lot of creeks. It's part of the
drift and it's really unique. So that was the one that really got me in there. But there's a few other reports of a black looking cougar, which I don't know what that is. A good friend of mine, Chad Lewis, I don't know if you're familiar with Chad Lewis. He writes a lot of books and got a lot of TV shows. We've met each other at the Van Meter Festival down in Iiowa a few times and I'd go there now every year. But he has a lot of books out. But he
wrote about a dog man. They called it a hill haller, a dog man looking creature. Again, this is about fifteen miles fro where we researched. Down by it's called Forestville State Park, whereas thing had terrorized some campers there, and that's another story. It looked like a seven foot werewolf basically. So now you're getting all these stories. They're starting to compile, and
I'm thinking, O, carry this sounds good in this area. We were down there, I said a month and a half about Dan and one of the guy who they like to fry up. Man, these guys will fry up anything. I don't care what you give there. They was good food there, having a fight, and I was talking to one guy, Ben and he is pretty good accent, and he had told him to go, yeah we do. We've been down research. He yeah, we just on the land over here. We sold out to ted acre plots over here.
You're into that stuff. I got to tell you something. I go, what's I goes my dad? Well, we were selling off the ten acre. Plus there's a dam on that side down there where so and so lives, and I know the guys. We hang out together and go down this ranger and drive around but down then there. He can't get to it now it's all overgrown. But he used to get down in and there was a damn. So I looked up on the map and there was like a little
pond or something there. We said when they were taking pictures to sell this acre job, and I just heard this month and a half ago. On one of the pictures, they took a picture of something blocked. It was huge. It looked like a bear. Then the next picture, this thing is standing up and I go, what it looks like? Goes, hey, it looked like a giant gorilla to me. He goes. It was huge. I go, what do you estimate it? Besides? And it was very wide and big, and it was on two legs when stood.
He tells, on two legs. It wasn't a bear. It happened hunting all my life. Wasn't there. It had to be almost ten foot tall. And I went, you're kidding me? He goes, no, I goes, and if I could find them pictures, I'll show them to you. There's another one. I got to get a hold of it. And hopefully I can get all this together collected before we do this documentary in June. And that is some impressive stuff. I can't get that surface out for
the public to see. But I tell you what, we've heard some stuff out there and then rawl grunts. I don't know what that was. We had to hit round between ten eleven night and about two in the morning three times it happened. And what was strange. At night there was no animal activity, which that's weird, and I know what kind of goes with that. Something large is around here and he has a dog that looks like lastly
beautiful collie. It was sitting there for about ten minutes watching the forest across from our little cutouts. I got appened and cut out and the road comes down the forest and there's a field on that side. It was all plowed up, but then it goes down to more woods in the creek. But she was sitting there and then they go, what's wrong with her? She sees something. I thought maybe she's seen a rat boon or maybe a squirrel
or something, which I don't know. Just with her. I see tony squirrels at night, but it could have been a raccoon, whatever it was. She was fixated on this one spot and would not move. So I got some night vision and flares and some gadgets looked around and didn't see too much. But it was thick bulliage there. That was the same night we had the groul, so it was very interesting. And she sat there a little bit and then she wandered back towards us, and then she walked up
to the house. She usually hangs out with us. I go she leaving, Yeah, she must be tired, And I like, yeah, maybe, or maybe something else. But it was strange. But that's the side over here. Now we do have a lot of ponds and a lot of wildlife areas right here we research and go out to. And I know, right down the road from US, about maybe three and a half miles northeast, there's a pond and we fished at quite a bit since I moved here
in two thousand from California, we've been down in there. I get spooky out of her night, so I will still late fish until left to dark to about one am. And it just turned into a wildlife game habitat or something about three years ago. It never it was a pond every he went to it about one hundred and sixty acres in between farmers, a lot of brush. We fished that quite a bit. I have this little scion and he has a bigfoot sticker on it. I remember coming out there one morning.
We're gonna take a walk after the ponds and just get some exercise, and there was two hundreds They had ponytail hippiece. It was a Sunday. They were out hunting and they were just getting back to the truck and I they go, how you doing? And said good, how you doing? And they go what's that sticker for? They see my little bigfoot sticker? Like I said, bigfoot research whatever, And I go, oh, you know, I do bigfoot research and I'm into that kind of stuff. She
goes really and they both chuckled and they look back down straight face. He goes, maybe you might want to hear this, and I said, here, what goes if you're into that cherry creature that you're talking about. We were hunting one day and I thought, oh, this is going to be good. Already know they're going to start saved and they and we were out past the ponds. There's a little clear in the meadow. I said, yeah, I know permeer that and there's a brush line there, Yeah,
I know where that where the trees are. We're hunting one day and we're walking through and we've seen something dark looked like a bear over by the woodline. So I said, oh okay, and it came out. So I got my scope, but was looking at the scope and it wasn't a bear. I go, how did you know that? He goes, well, I'm a hunter and I've seen a bear many times. I go up north a lot two. A bear don't walk on two legs and come out and have big shoulders, look like a monkey. WHOA Okay, I said,
that's interesting. So if you're looking for that kind of stuff while we hunt on this side. He goes, go out that way. So I said thanks for the story, and he goes, yeah, good luck, And then they turned around walked off at Toypo. Do I believe this or not? Yeah, they wouldn't lie to you like no, But I've been out there for many years and laid up dan, that's why he's your little crack brush. That happens. But I kept paying attention a little more and looking
a little more when I'm walking down the trails. And next year after that, we were looking around. I found a light print and it looked stubby, maybe about thirteen inches long, not very big, but the width of it was and it's hard down there, so you're not going to just sink in. It was rocky and hard, but it was enough to make a
little indentation in a mark there. And I don't know if I sent you that one, but it was a little pick and it looked very wide and stubby at the top, and it crossed the path a little game channel and then went over towards the creek. I total epoks. I take a picture and go, you know what, evidence is evidence, Whether it is or isn't. I heard that from click wreck when I've seen it, just take a picture of it. Whether it is or isn't, it's evidence. I
went out and start all over again. So I did take a picture, and it's if. I don't know, personally, I think it could be. But that was all in that same area. Now me in April there, before they even told me the story. That's probably ten years ago. I and think anything about anything being around this area. I just thought, yea, that possible. I do believe they used our creeks and rivers like
we do our highways. I'm a true believer in that. But we were looking around and I was of a game cam and I went down by the creek there and there was a creek the borders just pond, and I found this tree and he had some limbs piled up a little bit and then like brush, but only on one side, and it looked like something big was laying in there, and I thought that's strange. So I started looking around there and this is like I said, this way before I heard any of
these stories, and started really thinking about it. In the river there were starting to fall out. It was, you know, March April, whatever it was back then, and there was a deer in there there was laying half frozen, but it didn't look like someone. I killed it and cleaned it. I still had part of a leg, some skin fun a raccoon by that right on the river there like something put something there, maybe I don't know. But then I found I can't find that picture, you know,
it's somewhere. I got ten thousand sty cards. But I found a little child dog and it looked like something that snapped the neck on. It had a big bulge one side, which I felt bad because it's someone's pet, pretty looking dog. But it was sitting there. His eyes were just it almost looked like Bogie Creek. We see that cat and it looked scared to death. That's what it reminded me. I thought, Man, it
looks like it's next like that in a bulge. So now I got three different animals and a little shelter there, and I started thinking right away, wonder if this is a possibility. I looked around footprints and seeing thing could have went in the water and you never find them. I don't know, but it was a possibility bringing I get like a power in her story here see something maybe there. The last day that happens, me and Apro was
out there, and we haven't been fishing there last year much. We easially go out there ten twenty times a year. We were there one night. It was about ten o'clock, just starting to get real dark. I had a little radio. I always bringing a music man. I love music. So I hang it up the battery op radio up there on the brushed there and throw my line in the water, and oh yeah, I go, it's getting late, you know, I'm getting tired to call at night and
pack up everything. So we start packing up everything, and I heard something just run like you hear the brodet you're not. You can't see because there's a lot of foliage there and you have to squeeze to it to get out. This little ten foot around bank the fish on and there is like a little trailer where you can drive a four wheeler back there, and then there's more woods. And I looked at her, I said, we turned on
that radio. I turned it down and said what was that? And I listened and I did hear nothing, and whatever it was had ran by super fast, So fact could that be a deer? But it didn't sound like it sounded like a person, but it sounded too heavy to be a person. I don't get scary getting that little ebg. But he's like, yeah, I'm getting a little spooked here. And it was quiet, dead quiet. Again, you don't hear nothing. You usually hear all kinds of stuff
out there. And I thought, you know what, let's just pack up, stay by me, are toller and keep close. And we walked and that's about ain't from all back to the car, and I thought, I told her there's got to be someone out here, maybe someone messing or running by her. There's got to be someone here, And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. The parking lots but little probably maybe forty foot radio is just enough to put a couple
of cars in. It's just a small little When we got out there, there was nobody there about ten thirty at night, and I thought that's odd. But could it be a maybe a farmer kid or maybe I don't know it just I keep trying to you know, de balk as you would say, just saying that, I just I don't know. So I'm not going to say it his. I'm not gonna say his. I'm gonna say I don't know. That spooked me after finding this here and that, so I'm
really going to pay attention. I think that's why I refrained from going out there late at night lately. If you go out to be a driftless area, unless I see something like I did in California, I must go out there. I took a walk out there last year about three amps, came back about four thirty. They told me I'll go out there by myself. There is mountain lions out either. I'm gonna go out there. I had one camera and wanted to retrieve and we didn't get to it. I'm gonna
go get it. I walked about a quarter mile down the creek, got it, came back, and that's the time where I heard something up and the trees there moving around. I thought it was a deer. I snapped a bunch of pictures. In one of the pictures, it looked like something in a tree. I kept that and I thought maybe When I went down and got the camera, I was being a burger. I had it tied and I couldn't get it up. Trying to hold flash on my mouth just
wasn't working, and I finally got off. I started hearing moving up there, and it spook me. This creek is like something glass were walking on, said that old flat rock, and its really just sound like you're walking on glass. So I started flashing pictures and then getting a little spooks. So I just started singing and talking and thinking, because I kept hearing something moving around there, that something's out there. If I make noise by,
leave me alone. So I started back up. The heat going down's easy it's a slow gradual up incline where you have to keep moving up, and I do got asthma runkias I've had since eighteen months old, so he can get to me at times, but going back up is hard. So I
was going back up and I kept hearing this. I snapped a couple of pictures before I left, and I sang all the way if I got back up the camp and going there and saying, oh, you just you shouldn't have went, you're you know down I got back and I told him something was moving around down there, but I think it was just a deer. I don't know, maybe a kyote of There's a lot of kyos out there. Bob Kat's been hanging around there this year. I've seen one, which
don't bug me too much. There has been mount lions report out there, which I ran real close to one out in California's honey. But as all that said, yeah, it's probably not smart to go by yourself out there, you got to bring someone. I got back to my camera when I started looking the pictures, just looking around and just seemed forced. So I put it on smart TV. Sometimes I'll do that if I think I see
something, and it looked like something to me meet you. It did take up before and after, and if it was something, it had to be about fifteen feet up in the tree, so it wasn't on the ground. It was up on the hillside. And there's a lot of rock base here and there, and this is an area that has a lot of underground caves. There's one that goes down a mile down in Forestville Caves where Chad Lewis wrote about that weird dog man creature, where we've been down on them several
times. It's a tourist traction, but all that area has caves. And the reason they found some of these caves is back in the day when they first started selling in there, they noticed livestock gone. Pretty soon farmers find a big hole and there's a big cave in the ground, and that's how they started making some of these tourist tractions. But who knows what's up there. I asked them if as Far has been generations for years, and they
said they know. They am explored up in there. Said I don't want to be the first one explorer go down to cave one hundred feet or a thousand feet on disappear because you go down the cave and it is dark in your phone overk I'm glad you mentioned the caves because I was on Calling All Beings Live night. We had a Bigfoot round table. It was me, Doug Hichick, Amy Boo, Sabilla Urban, Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping Project. That's one of the questions that came up last night was the cave.
Scott is wanting to get access to the caves, he said. I wasn't aware of this until he brought it up. He asked me about it because I was a police officer for sixteen years. He said, there's a federal statute against producing the whereabouts of these cave systems across the United States for
safety reasons, is what I'm thinking. I think they're probably doing that to keep people from going and finding some of these caves and people getting lost in them and falling and doing all the things that you were just talking about. But I said all that to say, the question obviously came up to Scott was like why do you want this information? Do you think that Sasquatch are using the cave systems, using them for shelter or whatever? Because we were
talking specifically, like in your area. Sometimes it's thirty five below up here in the winters. Where did the Sasquatch go? How did they stay warm? I know it's just subjective and it's completely out of the left field, But do you think it's possible that these things are somehow using some of the caves in the area that you're talking about. I do, I really do, because when we've been down in caves, it's a steady forty five degrees all year long. The bad thing about it is these caves do flood.
I don't know all caves, but you get spring. But if any of these beings are creatures, I think they're very much part of the hominy groups. I think they've been living along est and very smart, very intelligent. I think they're almost like a primitive man. And that's another whole topic, but I think they do. And I think that they know when the shelter isn't feasible to more for them to stay, and they know when to get out and come back in. Maybe there's some parts that don't flood and they
open up. I don't know, but I do know they will flood, but the winter time they can't flood. During the spring, but the winter time it's forty five degrees down there. It stays that way summer, stays that way in winter, so it's a perfect place for them to set up camp and hang out. Sure, I really do it's a possibility. Where else would they go? Can they build shelters? Are they on the run? You know? I think they could do a little bit of both.
Really, But I don't know. That's something I can't even ask you. As a creature. I'm that massive with the fur. Does it need a place to really go in and hang out for the winter. Can they just make a shelter and get by it? I think they can do a little bit of both. I don't know what your take is on that, but I don't know. I take the hybrid approach. I think it might be a little bit of both, Like you said, if something has that sort of mass. And again, Doug Hicheck was on the panel last night,
and Doug said, but similar to what bears do. I can't remember the verbiage that he used, But it's not necessarily hibernation that keeps them warm in a lot of cases, it's something else that they can do and regulate their body temperature. And keep them warm when it's extremely cold. Maybe these creatures have something similar to that. It's all subjective. We don't really know, but I think it's fun to talk about it. So let's talk a little
bit about Midnight Squatchers. What is Midnight Squatch? Is it a YouTube channel? You guys got a website? Where can people find you and find what you guys have going on? Yeah? Sure, Mainly if you want to get hold of me, Midnight Squatchs want itch email dot com if you want to email me, But most everything is on my Facebook page and mid I Squatchs on my regular Facebook page. You can find us. I do have YouTube channel. I think I utloaded something for the first time four months.
I don't use it enough as I shouldn't. God knows how many videos I've got over the last thirty years. I should start going through a little more. I keep finding stuff from California, from the Ozark, Minnesota to where we've been. I will start uploading more to the YouTube. But yeah, they want to find me, the best bet would be to get hold of me on the Midnight Squatch Facebook page. I'm a night out even though they get up and do some early work at times I only work part time.
The other time I'm up late. I just started a trend. I just subscribed to the YouTube channel, So you guys go check out the YouTube, check out the Facebook, check out Midnight squatchs. John April, thank y'all so much for coming on and sharing your experiences. I've had a black talking to both of you. Thanks for having us on it, and I appreciate it. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. No, I don't want to be a world up it. Try this
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