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And you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oys. Heather and welcome back to sasquatch Os. Thank you so much for clicking and play. It is Sunday. I hope you're having a great weekend. We have an amazing show line there for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd let's be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get me at Brian at Parentimoworldproductions dot com. Can head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and
help support the show. I got to sit down and talk to Nicki from Sasquatch Secrets and we had a really good conversation about tons of things related to Bigfoot. If you haven't checked out her channel, she's got a lot of cool videos over there. She does a lot of cool investigative stuff looking into some of these incidents, some of the hoaxers that we talk about tonight. We do talk about one incident that I asked her about specifically. In the
show, we refer to it as the Red Creek Incident. Nicky's actually talking about the Ruby Creek Incident. I was not familiar with the Red Creek incident, so I was anxious to hear about it. And the more she started talking about it, the more I realized she was referring to the Ruby Creek Incident. We get into all kinds of great stuff here. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Just really quickly before we get into that,
My book, Sasquatch Unleashed The Truth behind the Legend is out everywhere. You can get it on Kendle, you can get it on Amazon, you can pick it up directly from Hanger One Publishing. All of those links are right here in the show notes. I would love for you to pick up a copy of the book, but without further ado. I know you guys are ready to get into it. Nicky's on the line. She's ready to go. All you have to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
All right, folks, all will welcome our guest to the show. It is Nikki from Sasquat Secrets. Welcome to the show. NICKI, Hi, good to see you. I'm so happy to be here. I was really excited when Danny contacted me and about coming on tonight. I am so glad to have you. We talked a little bit about this before we got on the air. We've crossed paths in the past. I've done shows and you've been in the chat and vice versa. It's so good to put a
face with the name. I really love your channel, I really love what you're doing. I'm glad you're here. So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this Bigfoot though. Sure everybody has a story about what got them into Bigfoot in the beginning, so let's start there. Oh gosh, it's it's not unlike most people. I grew up with the love of the
mysterious and cryptids had that itch back then. Though. It was the books, right, You'll go to the library and pick out every cryptid book that my mom would let me take home, and that just stuck with me. My family loved to go out camping, so I grew up with my dad taking us out there all the time, more like glamping. My dad always had a trailer, but we were out there and had fun, so I never was afraid. Always seeing my dad had an answer for any question I
had, what's that, what's that sound, what's going? And he knew. So I never felt like there was anything really mysterious out there, and it wasn't really until I went abroad. I lived in South Korea for three years with my husband military. We had nine channels in English, so I ended up going to YouTube too. I must have watched everything put out Fasquatch, Bigfoot, tall Man, Harryman, you name it, I listened to it. That's what I did for three years. I didn't have a BISA
to work, so I really couldn't work over there. I was just at home taking care of the kids. That's what I did. I would put on show after show and started to get into more of instead of forums, because we even way back, so you had the blogs and forums and stuff. But over there Facebook getting into the groups and all the stuff that happens in the groups over and over again, which I was like, man, I've seen that for I saw that, I know what that is, and
that's how I just kept on going. So when I got state side, I ended up just hanging out in the chat watching different people, and you go through a lot of different channels until you find the person or the group that you identify with. Everybody has their own taste of what you like to see, whether it be encounter stories or research channels, just people who are
boots on the ground and show nothing but them out in the forest. And then you've got a few that like to talk about the things that nobody else likes to talk about. And that was the hoaxes, the hoodwinks, and the more nefarious things that happen in the community. And I found myself drawn to that more of the watch dtvs and that type of content, and that's what I kept doing. I'm like, I've seen this, I know what this is. This is a student film done in such and such time.
It's not a big foot at all. I've got pictures matter fact. Because I was real big into saving that time, I just kept it up and kept it up and got invited to a lot of podcasts because I had this more skeptical mind. I truly thought of myself as I'm not a hardcore researcher out in the woods. At that time, really, armchair researchers was a bad thing. If you're not boots on the ground, you don't deserve to have an opinion about it, so I used to keep a little bit low
about that. But that's what kind of spurred me on. It spurred me in to keep doing this, and it was a love. It was my hobby. When I was having fun at it. That was the one thing that I made sure that everything I did, I was having a good time doing it. That's where it initially started out. Once you go down the rabbit hole, you never climb out, Nikki. That's how it works. I know. Over time, I've had some people come to me and they say, why don't you have your own channel, And I'm like, I
don't know why I don't have my own channel. I don't really think I can do it. And I was totally turned around by many people telling me, no, do it. We want to hear you, we want to hear what Jeff date. And I said, okay. So a couple of years ago I started. It was initially called Harryman Hoaxes and Hoodwinks was the first, but that name was really long and people didn't want to look up
Hairyman for some reason, so it may have taken them somewhere else. I don't know, that's my thought, but I changed the name, and yeah, I like to bring on a panel of guests to talk about things that are going on in the community, new things, old things, historic stuff that has happened, such as older accounts, the Osman or Ape Canyon. The Red Creek is the one that I recently did with Thomas Steinberg. That's what I ended up doing. And I've got a great group of followers.
Yeah, I love them to death. They really support me and keeps me going with this because it's a lot of work. It was a lot more work than I thought to do your own podcast. When you do it, when you have certain content and I have to really know what I'm talking about, right, So there's a lot of research involved in making sure I knew what's going on. So that's where that has taken me on this journey.
But it was a pretty simple concept really, the simple mission. I guess you could say that I just wanted to talk about all the disseats and the repetitiveness of what was going on social media. Just you pick it, whether it be Reddit or Facebook or YouTube, how people can grab a screenshot and share it around to about ten different things. When it was something that was
discovered to be a hoax or just misunderstanding from way back. So I wanted a place to archive, have the show, have all the information that I could find on the Internet in one one nice, neat little package in archived for the future. That's pretty much what I intended for the show. I think it's great because here's the thing that bothers me. I do an encounters
based podcast Sasquatch Odyssey is all about encounters. But once I got into this and I started talking to a bunch of people who had different experiences, obviously you meet different people, you expand the show out, you get interested in another things. Todd Standing was one of those people that popped up very early on for me. I watched the Discovering Bigfoot. Frankly, I think it's still one of the best documentaries that I've seen on Bigfoot, if I'm being
honest. That was well produced, it was put out there. It's a little cheesy when you look back. I spent a week with Todd back in October, and I came back and I actually watched the Discovering Bigfoot documentary again after I spent a week in the bush with tied up at Radium and I thought, how cheesy is some of this shit that this dude's putting on.
But when you see it initially, I was blown away initially with some of the stuff that he presented there, and I watched it again, and then I watched it again, and then I started saying, why are more people not talking about this? Because if this footage that this guy is showing is legitimate, it is HD quality, hands down, It's the best thing I have ever seen. It proves that sasquatch exists into story, and I thought,
why are more people not talking about this? And then when you dig in, people have talked about it, they're continuing to talk about it. And all I was getting was this guy's a known hoaxer. And I'm like,
oh shit, let me go back and watch this again. And then I started looking at it from a more critical point of view, not just wanting to buy it hook line and sinker, and saying, he either had the best footage that's out there period, hands down, or he's one of the biggest hoaxers and he's faked all this stuff that has ever been happening. So I looked at it and thought, Okay, why are more people not talking about it? They clearly were and most people agreed that he was a
hoaxer. So I started looking at it with a more critical eye. And once I started going back and watching the footage, I was picking out things that I didn't before that just didn't seem natural. It didn't look right to me. And after I watched it five or six times, I thought, Okay, this is probably fake. I started looking into his past. I started looking at some of the things, going a little deeper, scratching at the surface and getting down into the nitty gritty. Do it my Steve Cole's
thing, right? Yeah? And once I started acting like Steve Coles, I was starting to unpeel the onion and peeling back these layers, and I was like, oh, this is not so great. Then I just came down to the conclusion this guy hoaxed these videos. I've always said it.
I think he had real experiences with sasquatch in his research areas. I think he probably saw these things a couple of different occasions, but clearly what he shows and presents as evidence in the form of these videos and these steals on
these videos one hundred percent hope. So I started calling him out on the show, which was unheard of in a way for people like me in my position doing an encounters based podcast, But I felt it was important to be intellectually honest with people and just give my opinion on one of the biggest people, because let's be honest, whatever you think about Todd standing And this is one of the things that I want to get into a little bit with you
about all of these people. They develop a following, and these people have influence in this community, whether we like it or not, sometimes way beyond in my opinion, plenty of people who are doing this the right way and doing legitimate research, these hoaxers develop a following, and Todd certainly has a
following even to this day. I think he's one hundred plus thousand subscribers on his YouTube channel, and they tune in and they buy everything he says, hook line and sinker when it comes to Bigfoot, whether he's talking about a video he filmed ten years ago or something that might or might not have happened yesterday, he has a following. So I felt it important to talk about
that. So I started talking about it, and I wanted to get him on the show to have this kind of discussion because I like giving people their opportunity to defend themselves. He refused to come on my show. I finally got Survivor man Less Stroud on the show. Less had spent time with him out in the woods. Once Lesson I had that conversation. Miraculously, a
couple of weeks later, Tidd agrees to come on the show. So we have that conversation, and I left that conversation feeling like he's not really that bad of a dude. He seemed to be very passionate about the subject. I felt a genuine connection with him in Bigfoot. I felt like he was really in it for the right reasons, despite maybe some of his actions in the past. But nonetheless I came out on the other end saying he's a hoaxer. He hoaxed his videos. It's like that for a lot of people.
Then just recently, I think it was last year. I don't know, five six months ago. What is it? Sasquatch on Ontario Sasquatch. There's a couple of channels. I always get him mixed up. I'm talking about the dude, the ridiculous ass picture that he posted of what looks to be a sasquatch on the fence looking up this image came out and I was reading the comments, and I think that's what pisses me off the most. Honestly, Nikki, is you read the comments. This dude's got seventy five
eighty thousand followers on his YouTube channel. His subscribers is, it's huge. And I was reading the comments about, oh my god, thank you Nef for showing your face. Oh my god, thank you so much than give me the cringe. I just don't understand. Thank you Nev forgiving him permission, giving him permission to show your face. Nef, thank you so much. Then I started looking ato it because I had no idea who this dude was. So I started looking into the channel and I'm thinking, are these
people serious? They are buying it hook line and sinker. So I did the opposite of what I should have done. I went on every I literally posted this picture. I took five seconds to lighten it up in my iPhone and I posted it in every bigfoot group I could and said, this dude is hoaxing. He should be ashamed of himself. And of course he came
on and defended himself and we got into it online. And in hindsight, I've had conversations with Brent Deal who I know you happen to know, and Brent was like, look, dude, you can't do it that way. You got to make it about the evidence. You can't talk about the person. I have admitted my fault in that because I was pissed off at just
the fact that this guy is purporting this to be a Sasquatch. It is clearly a mask, a poor quality mask at that, with the rest of it bunched up under this thing, and he's claiming it's an arm it's a whole thing. But I say all that to say, I think it's very important to go back to what you said earlier in the conversation. These are things that for whatever reason, and I want your opinion on this, why are more people in the community not willing to talk about some of these hoaxes
and call these people out. What do you think it is in just the general community in and of itself where people are so afraid to do that. Why do you think that? Is what's my take on it. Okay, Now, you've got people who come into this community and they seem to latch onto chats, They latch onto people that are like minded as them. They think okay, and they make friendship, they make what a bond, and they want to believe that bond is everything, and they're going to stick with
whoever it is to the bitter end because that's their family. It's replaced some stuff they've done when their reality. They've made Bigfoot their reality and they can't judge for themselves. They want to hang onto that peer pressure. You have to follow these people, because I'm telling you it's all about the red flags these days. You have to see the red flags. If you don't,
you're gonna just get stucked into whatever people put out there. You have to have your own opinion about it. If you think something doesn't look right, then say something. But people won't because they're afraid. They're afraid of the backlash that's going to happen to them by coming out with this stuff. You see it over and over in a lot of different groups that are like that because they want to belong They want to belong to this group and be loyal.
That's good for some things, but when it comes to the topic of bigfoot, it's bigfoot, right. We're trying to discover something that's mysterious, unknown, elusive, we have people out there who have run into these things, And that kind of takes me to another point of why I believe Bigfoot exists. Because I don't believe Bigfoot exists because of evidence. All my belief comes from the people I have owned to come close with right who have had
fighting and I believe them. My total belief comes from encounters, somebody's encounter that I know personally. The evidence has nothing to do with it. For me, I've become this complete evidence skeptic in regards to that type of stuff. So you can put out any kind of picture, any kind of footprints. It could be this, but it could be that. Where's the before and after? How come you're showing me five seconds of a video when you
know you didn't do five seconds of a video. Where's the beginning in the end, where's you walking up to it? Todd? Why are you just showing Oh, I didn't have my battery on, or I didn't have that much film it was left, or there's always going to be an excuse for stuff like that. But that's a red flag, and you just try to have that callum the red flag column along with the stuff you believe in and somewhere along the line, you're gonna come up with I believe it this much
more, or I don't believe it the swift more. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right back after these messages. And that's how I look at things, is that I have this weight and balance and if there's too many red flags, then it's not worth my time. What does he have? You have a bigfoot running up the side of a mountain. We've got Steve Coles who's come up and said that it was a fireman that was hired to do that. You've got gloves that were found in the back of
his jeep. But no, it was all a joke, practical joke for him. But that's a red flag. He has production companies, there was an ad put out for actors at some point. They're all these things are red flag. And I do believe he probably had some kind of encounter at some point. Yeah he does, and maybe his intentions are good, maybe he wants to protect these creatures. But all that other stuff, the blinky, the leather face, that has ruined it for me. Do we give
them an extra shot at things later? What if he really does come upon a bigfoot and get footage? Has he cried wolf so many times that many of us aren't gonna believe him no matter what he does anymore. So it puts you in this place. Okay, he's there, pods over there. He charges for his expeditions, and that's how he makes his living. And let him do what he wants. But I think it puts a big stain on the community because when are we gonna believe? Now? How do we
believe other people who come up with evidence? I agree. Brent came on that Bigfoot podcast with Wayne and I about a month or so ago. I came back after spending time with Todd and said, look, this guy's been in Bigfoot jail for a lot of years for hooks in these videos, and do we ever let him out? To your point, do we ever let him out? He's got another documentary coming out. We discussed that at length when I was up there with him around the campfire. He's talking about basically
discovering Bigfoot two or whatever he's calling it. It's already been sold, it's going to be out, and he said, there's more footage, He's got more footage of a bigfoot that's coming out in this documentary, I didn't see it when I was there. In his words, he told me it's not as good as the other stuff that we've already seen from him. So I don't really know what to expect, but I already know what I'm going to think about it. It's crap to me because I don't believe any of the
other stuff that he's put out is real. So I'm not gonna believe what
he puts out in this whatever this looks like. Right, So you get into that point where to Brent's point when he was on the show, opened my eyes to it, and I've really shifted after that conversation with Brent, I really shifted my opinion and said, look, you know, Brent was like, everybody understands what kind of situation you were in with Todd, how you interacted with him, and how you came away from that situation feeling whatever it was that you felt, he's not that bad of a dude. He
treated you with the respect, whatever the case may be. But here's the thing for everybody else, and this is the perspective I was missing. Honestly, I had blinders on in some respect. Brent said, he's never taken responsibility for what he did, Ding Ding. You would think that would be the first thing on my mind, but I wasn't really thinking about that, to be honest with you. And when he said Todd's never taken responsibility for
faking that and hoaxing it. If he came out and said that, yeah, I did it and this is the reason that I did it, are people gonna automatically give him a pass. No, But at least he would gain some credibility in some aspects of the community because he's taken some responsibility and he's never going to do that. So I've hung that up. But here's the thing that gets me, And I want to ask you this question, Nikki, And I don't know if you have any more perspective than I do.
I've went about this so many times and so many conversations about this over the years. What is it about the community at large, just people in general. Do you think it is that makes it easy for people like Todd? And Todd's great? Todd is the best used car salesman on the lot. If he's selling Bigfoot, I'm buying it nine times out of ten. That's just how good he is. And that's how most of these people are when it comes to selling what they're selling. Mike Patterson is very convinced.
I've talked to plenty of people who thought that Mike Patterson was the real deal initially, and then there was these red flags, and they've come around. Some people are still teetering on whether he's the legit or not. I think he's one hundred percent of complete hoax. But what is it about the community
at large? And this has happened to me recently. I've had people on my show just a few months back who had a very compelling experience where they saw a sasquatch, they interacted with the sasquatch, they heard vocalizations, this that or the other. And then they create Facebook pages, they create YouTube channels, and everything they put out there is paradolia and red circle squatches.
I'm gonna tell you, within a couple of weeks, three or four weeks, there's twenty five hundred to three thousand people in their group liking everything they post. Oh my god, I see the faces. There's fifteen of them. It is mind blowing to me. And I can tell you these people are creating an audience almost overnight, and I'll be honest with you, I've worked my ass off to create the audience that I have to culminate the relationship
that I have with the community. My show does great. It's probably one of the top three big Foot podcasts in the world on any given week. I am blessed to say that because of the audience that listens to the show. However, my YouTube channel, I got twenty six hundred people on my YouTube channel and it's been around for four years. It's a completely different thing. But if I were putting out red circle squatches and paradolia and posting fake
videos a Bigfoot, I'd probably have ninety five thousand followers tomorrow. What is it about the community or what do you feel about it that makes it so easy to doup the community? And why are they buy in such a powerful way? I think the at large, the most of the people who watch or listen okay are coming for entertainment value. They're coming fully to hear the story. They don't care about the research or the researcher. They just want
to hear the story. They want to grab onto something while they're driving home from work or going to sleep, and they put on the podcast and they listen. They're not invested. Okay, like the community, we're invested, right. Some of us want answers, want true answers, but there's a whole other part of the pie doesn't want that. They don't care. They really don't care. And remember, we're a small community. If you think about the grand scheme of all the people out there, we're small, okay,
And most of those people think we're nut for believing in it. Harry Hominid walking in night and they don't want to know what's out in the dark. You have a lot of people who are just in this for that, for the stories. I one percent believe that they don't want to mess with all the chaos that can happen in between groups and everything. They just want a story and be happy and believe Bigfoot's real and that's it. They don't want to get that invested. It's simple for them, just put on the
show and have a good time and that's it. And then you have that other group, us that want the answers, or us that just want to hear the encounter stories, because there's a lot of encounter story channels now. They have really sprung up in the last couple years, how many times can
you hear the story? Really? But now there's even a whole new thing that's come and that's Ai that hit the stage, and now everything's back to being chaotic again because now you can give a prompt and say, make me a bigfoot story and then it can fit out a whole story for you. So what do you believe? Now? Now you've got groups that have the possibility of just making up stories and making big channels because that's what people want.
I have a small channel. I can't take one people like Todd Standing or whoever with these really large channels, because they could swallow me up. I was gonna do some stuff with Mike Patterson and I was even gonna have him on my show. He has rules. He wants your videos, so he wants the rights, and that's not something that I was willing to do. You know, No, you're just gonna come on. I'm gonna ask you some questions. You either answer me you don't, and that's the end
of the story. But they have very loyal followers, some of these guys, and they will attack you endlessly, relentlessly through emails tech they have way to get a hold of you, and you have to have a tough skin when you have to do that type of stuff, this type of stuff. Even me, I may have debunked one or two things, the majority of my show is pulling from other people who have done all that hard work and put it into a nice little package and have showed it and asked people in
the chat, what do you think about this? Why is this come up? Why does Mark Anders come up every year? His big black bigfoot show up all the time, and people love it. They just eat it up. So there's a lot of different things that are going on in the community. And you mentioned the pictures, the paradoilia that just comes up over and people just gravitate to it. They don't ask why the little face is as big as a leaf, you know, they don't ask those critical questions.
That's not even a critical question for me. Why is that little stick there, that little blade of grass as big as the face? Because they just want to believe so bad that it exists that they will over shoot that. But I'm telling you this, I tell this on my podcast all the time. If you want to show your pictures and videos, be my guest. But the minute you drop it into social media. We have the right to
say whatever we want about that. Don't put something that has to be circled, or you have to lighten, change alter the image in any way with coloring. If you have to do anything to show me what's in that picture, then the picture's not good. Keep it. I'm not telling you not to keep it for yourself and for your research, just don't show it. Maybe somewhere down the line that's gonna be worth a lot of money when somebody
really catches a bigfoot phasing out of a tree or whatever. But for now, you know, if you have to tell me what I'm looking at, it's really not worth it. And if you're gonna put out video, put the whole thing out there, the whole five, ten, fifteen minutes of worth what you have. Make it available so we can discern from ourselves. You're asking for people's opinion, or you wouldn't have put it out there. So don't be mad when you get criticized or get some crazy comments on it,
because that's what you're doing. You're asking for people, look at my stuff, what do you think? And they know that the majority of the time they're going to get people saying wow, that's the best ever. I see that base. Look at that it's smiling, it has teeth. They will out of nothing, and you're right. All you have to do is take that picture and lighten it. Most of the time, you just have to lighten it a little bit and you'll be able to see the trees and
everything in the background. Or drop it into Google Images for goodness sakes, you can draw up an image to these days and come up with sources on a lot of different stuff out there now. And I'm just hoping that all works for AI, that if you feel one is suspicious, that image searches will catch up with that and also capture where these fake stuff is being produced,
because we all know even in the last year it's gotten better. And they're saying that AI is fixing the hand problem, because for a little while there, all you had to do was look at the hands and beat and you could see it would be all messed up ten fingers on one hand. But they're fixing it. They know it was an issue and they're fixing it. So by this time next year, I think we're going to see even greater images coming out of AI. It's going to be really hard let's talk
about a couple of things that you've covered recently. There's one in particular I want to get to before we run out of time. I know that's something you've covered on your channel. Can you give us a dime store tour of two of the players and what you ended up. Running Out Creek incident was in nineteen forty one and it was up in Canada. And I don't have all my names, okay, So the gist as a woman came out of her shack there on the side of Red Creek, and actually it was her
kids were outside playing and they said there's a cow. Came in running saying there's a cow. When she went out there, she saw bigfoot. She was indigenous, so she knew what they were. She was comfortable or had knew about them, went in, got a like a blanket, covered up the kids, let the kids run out the back. She proceeded to escape her home and from there she passed some workers on the railroad nearby, and
she immediately told them there's a sasquatch of the house. So immediate from there you had a group of men go over to inspect the area, and sure enough they saw Prince. They saw even one print going from one side of a fence to the other side, which is a very large six foot fence that even renee To Hindon has a famous picture of him seeing on top of
that fence. That was that incident, but almost historic shows. I like to invite Thomas steinbergon because he is a wealth of knowledge and he knows all the names, and he took us through that incident, which was it was a fun one because he has all the little details and Renee to Hindon and everybody who was involved in going out there and checking it out, because there was several people who went out there to investigate the sighting. The only thing
I think Thomas and I have ever disagreed on. I had him on the show last year and we talked a little bit about Paul Raemon and Paul Freeman's footage. For years, Thomas was in the camp of Paul being a legitimate researcher, and then towards the end of that whole saga, he changed his mind. I haven't talked to Thomas since the enhanced version of the Freeman footage came out. That Doug and Alex Hydchik and those guys worked on over the
last couple of years. I don't really know where Thomas if he's changed his mind about that. He said he was definitely open minded to revisiting that. So maybe I need to get him back on the show and let's have a conversation about that. I think he's pretty solid that he thinks it's not real that there was. There's too many opportunities for his sons to be involved in stuff like that. I actually don't even know. I'm both ways. Sometimes
I think I believe in it and sometimes I don't. I'm like Melgrim went and checked out that whole track way one time, and I felt he was genuine when he said there they're go where there he goes. Recently, there was another documentary done about the area. He actually walked quite a way up to get yeah, second shot of the others squatch up there, So it was a lot to it. There was a lot more to that story. So it can take you one way or the other way. But remember,
for me, it's not about the video. I don't think there'll be anything that's going to convince me. I believe in Jay Birch story. I believe in the Jay Fritz story. I interviewed a lady up here in New Mexico in an area I'm going to be searching at on her encounter, and she took me to the exact location and man, the way she described this sasquatch running in front of her. I believe her. I one hundred percent believe that she had an encounter. And this lady is completely to me, honest,
she's hardcore. She is way hardcore, not hoaxer type, and she can't stand the hoaxers. So that's what I believe. And it'll be sad if all these people I believe are hoaxing me, it be a good date for me. I definitely am right there with you, and I'll tell you the one thing that put me over the edge. And I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this, but the thing that put me over the edge on the Freeman footage, because I, too, like you,
went back and forth. Now, when I saw the enhanced version that Doug and alex ichecking them, did it really clarified a lot for me because there's a lot more you can see there than what we've been able to see in that video in the past. But what really did it for me was interviewing Michael, Paul Freeman's son and talking to Michael about his dad coming home after capturing that footage and the way he acted showing it to him and his friends that were there that day. I've said it so many times, you
don't hoax your twelve or thirteen year old son. You might hoax a lot of people in the Bigfoot community. You might try to pull things over other people's eyes, but Michael knew his dad better than anybody. And the way that Paul acted when he came home the day that he captured that footage literally said I thought we were going to break the tape Brian, because he kept showing it to us over and over and he was so excited about what he
had captured. That sort of put it over the edge for me. And again, the footage, if you see the enhanced version of it, is pretty compelling in my mind that what we're seeing there is a sasquatch possibly lifting a juvenile or a baby off a tree. But I digress. I want to move on to this before we run out of time. I want to talk a little bit about this Bluff Creek massacre thing, because this has come
up recently. You and I were talking before we started. I recently sat down just yesterday as we record this and had a conversation with MK Davis and Todd Gatewood, particularly about this image that they've come out framed three point fifty two. There's a lot of controversy when I saw this come out months ago. I don't know how long it's been out there in the zeitgeist. Maybe
six months, eight months, I lose track of time. It's this incredible image of what looks to be Patty's face, very close up to the point where you can see individual hairs. And the first thing that I saw people saying it was AI that had created this image, filled in gaps and those kind of things. Then I started seeing I didn't even know who Todd Gatewood is. He starts popping up on the scene talking about, no, it was an upscaled image, It's not AI. And I'm thinking, Okay,
where is MK Davis on all of this? And then MK is the one who provided these images for Todd to do all the things that we did. So long story short, I got to sit down with them yesterday as we record this and had a conversation. We're doing a second part of this, I was on as a guest host on another podcast, the Mythical Legends podcast with Daniel Barnett. He asked me to sit in and help him with this
interviews. I wasn't really taking the lead on this, and I didn't take it down the path that Brian would normally take it had I been in charge of this interview. But we're definitely going to do that in the second part. So I said all that to say, there's some controversy around these images. I don't know how much you've gotten into that, so I certainly don't
want to put you on the spot with any of the updated stuff. So let's talk a little bit about the Bluff Creek massacre theory that MK came in with two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, that era, because here's the question for me, and maybe we can skip right to that if you have enough knowledge and you can speak to this. If we have this
theory that the Sasquatch were murdered basically for lack of a better tribe. They were slaughtered on that sandbar in nineteen sixty seven by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlan and then subsequently covered up by John Green and Reneeda Hendon and Bob Tedmuss and all these people. If we have this image of this film, why hasn't that come out now for MK or Todd Gatewood to say, oh, look that blood we were talking about in two thousand and six that nobody could see
but me is right here. These bloody hands are right here. I don't know how much you've went down that road, but where are you on this whole massacre theory? And then of course this updated version of the film and the AI controversy and all that, And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after the East message. So here's my take on the massacre theory. I did do a recent show about the massacre theory, and I had on John L. Johnson, who did an interview back
in two thousand and nine with MK Davis at the time. They were friends during that interview, but over time their friendship strained and they fell part. Now Johnson held onto this for a long time. He held onto that interview for a really long time and only fairly recently put it out. So I thought I would have him on to talk about all this. So he was very methodical in his he doesn't believe it at all. Okay, I've never
believed in it. I've always felt that, Like I said before, if you have to adjust the colors or adjust anything on a film or picture, this included, then you have lost all of its authenticity. You have changed it. I don't care if you were trying to bring out the vibrant color or this or that. You have altered the photo, the film. You've altered it. Now you can make it into anything you want. You could make it purple or green or whatever you want by adjusting that the right way.
In my world, now there's something to do with the magenta color and that film and that type of film. So that was not difficult to do. And remember red flags. You have to think about the red flags. We're looking for a body, all right, and you're saying that there's a bunch of bodies out there, and you're still looking for bodies, so you haven't even gone over there. You would have the ultimate find because if you really believed in you could go down there and find the bones or something that
was buried over there. And you never did that, not back then or whenever you decided you know there was a massacre there. It's red flags. For me, it doesn't make sense. None of that makes sense to me. That people can talk and they create a narrative, and they stuck people in to this narrative and they believe it so much that because they have influence, it changes and becomes real. David Palides, Bobby Short, Kat Hanson, all these people believed in it. Maybe some are more guilty than others,
but it doesn't matter. It happened, and it was a little Dane MK had tons of videos on this. Do you remember his whole channel was nothing but all this masker. It's all the by the way, there may be one, maybe one or two videos that are still left of that. It's taken a weird turn, that whole massacre. But what they got out
of it, I don't understand. I don't know why they would take it so far as to want to create something like that, something so horrific too, to do something like that and to think that, oh there's blood, Oh look at the footprint, the little bloody pawprint in the photo. Where are the other prints? If he's so bloodied up? There's just one random odd shapes there, but no other I'm pretty sure. A dog can't jump
fifty feet and put one print, You're gonna have four prints there. There's little things, remember red flag stack them up and that's how we went about it. It ended up being a great show. Of course, Thomas was on there too. They have different ideas about the P and G film as well. I thought I was going to have a rumble, but it ended up they were very decent and Johnson declined have come to come on again and talk about the P and G film, But it is what it is.
Everybody's going to have their own take and their own belief But I really encourage people to stack those red flags. Just don't follow the crowd. Don't be afraid to say if you don't believe it, it's just your opinion. All of this is speculation, folks, all of it. Try to have a little fun with it. Don't get too serious about it. But for goodness sakes, like Thomas Steinberg would say, thou shalt not hoax. It's his motto there, stick to the fact. You have to stick to the fact.
Then only the fact, and we'll be okay, and some of us are going to be watching. I am in no way, shape or form a big cook police. Okay, that's not my intention here at all, because because you can watch me or not watch me, people can move right along if you don't like what I'm saying. I'm just trying to bring something
different. I want you to think about what's going on. And there's a thousand other channels out there that I love and I watch, so it's easy to get sucked into some of the more crazy ideas out there, for sure. Very wise words you guys. Go over and check out Sasquatch Secrets with Nikki Klogne. Nikki, I've had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much for coming on and having this conversation. Thank you so much. It was fun. I have to come back again. Yeah, we'll have
to make this a standing date between the two of us. We wanted to. Yeah, talking about the hoaxers. I'm always up for that. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can stay. I O world happen said step stays sticks chart this child, that child everything calling right back, Ride back for joy from me. Enjoy staying right there, Come in right away, stay still, stay says sat statist. Don't talk about thesssstssssssssss