Hey, everybody, this is left Drive. Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Honisty. He there, and welcome back to Sasquatch Honyssey. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Sunday. I hope you have a great weekend. We have an amazing show lined up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email and get me at Brian
at Paranamalworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I got invited on a Bigfoot round table, and frankly, I haven't done a ton of these, so I was really interested to see how it turned out out. But I was on there with a pretty esteemed panel of people. I was on there with Amy Boo, Sabylla Irwin, Doug Hichick, and Scott Tompkins of
the Bigfoot Mapping Project. We were on with DJ and Nathan and those folks over at Calling All Beings, and it turned out to be a really long conversation. So This is the first half of that conversation. It's about forty five minutes or so, and most of this is spent talking about the couple of questions about how do Sasquatch thermo regulate in the different climates that they're in across the United States, and do they migrate and if so, what does
migration mean, what does that look like for them? It was some really interesting conversation. This is part one of two that I'll be bringing you. We've got another about forty five minutes worth of audio I'll bring to you guys on the next episode. But it was a really cool conversation. I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. So without further ado, I'm gonna stop talking. You gotta sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Welcome back to Calling All Beings. We said we were gonna do it.
We done did it. We brought y'all a big foot round table with some serious original gangsters in here. You're about to meet all of them. Before we do that, let me say good evening to my co conspirator Nathan. How are you, sir. I'm doing well, man. It's good to be with you on this Tuesday evening. I'm excited for our first ever Bigfoot round table, and it won't be our last one either. I think this is gonna be a really good one. Though we're gonna set the bar
high tonight. I'm gonna be feeling about it. Yeah, this was your idea. Thankfully you came up with the idea. And before we even go any further in the show, I'd like to say that we're blessed that the Bigfoot community has embraced us. And we've only been in as a group, been in this for maybe a year, and the way that you guys have agreed to come on to share your knowledge to edify us on the topic, including phone calls and everything, we really do appreciate it. It's not something
that we overlook, Debs. So, Debs, I want to say this while the whole group is here, because deb has just started a new show called Nominalist Debates, and she's going her and her pH candidate co host are going to be doing Lincoln Douglas style debates where everybody is welcome from each community, whether it UAPs or bigfoot or paranormal. So if you want to debate
someone in that sort of format with the time limits and so forth. Please reach out to Study of UAPs on Twitter and she'll get you hooked up. How are you, ma'am? I think that it'll be an exciting year if we can get some interesting conversations going. And it's already been an interesting year, isn't it. Yes, Yes, it's a brilliant idea, it really is. I don't know if you, oh, you guys maybe want to
comment after. I didn't know if we would see something like this. We see arguing, we see fighting, but she's doing it in a very calm format. You could watch the first episode they just did over the weekends on the Calling All Beings Network. So, Nathan, let's bring everybody in ready alight, So in alphabetical order, we're gonna go. She is the founder of a project, Zubook. She's part of the Olympic Project. She's been a BRFIRO investigator. Let's see, she was Researcher of the Year a couple
of times. She's from Ohio, Northeast Ohio. I'm only sorry that I didn't get to meet her when I lived there, and men just to chat with her on Facebook. You're gonna think the same thing thinking about Sybylla. What a wonderful human being, Abe Boom. And now this gentleman right here. If you've been in the topic for anything more than ten minutes and you don't know this gentleman, you bet check yourself. Nathan, Okay, we're talking about the producer. He said, Oh, there's no such thing.
I'm gonna a giant squid. I'm gonna get inside a beaver den. He was the producer of Monster Quest, among other shows on National Geographics. He said, oh gee, in the community, everybody knows him. They want to know if they got something real, they send it to this man right here. Put your hands together for Doug. Hi Jack, that's amazing, DJ. I only do these shows because of DJ's introductions. Doug, that's the only reason I wanted so, And I thought, I can just leave
now. Everybody's here because we knew that you would have really interesting thoughts and diverse perspectives. And that's really what the community needs to hear. Right. This other young lady has done research all over the South Texas. She's even someone bought her property and said, hey, do you mind staying here and find out what's going on with big my property? And she's like, oh yeah, I'm up for that. And by the way, I'll go out and camp in the woods with my truck for a few months, no fear,
no problem. She is a bigfoot artist, investigator, and just overall bright light that we just love. And that is of course Miss Sybylla Irwins. Oh, thank you for me. Oh, it's a pleasure to have you. Thank you for kicking us up on this offer and educating this bunch of green rookies. Next is the host of Sasquatched Odyssey podcast I heard because I talked with interviewed this guy Harley this week who said this gentleman's going to England to speak about bigfoot? Is that correct, sir? Yes, I
will be over there July the twentieth. I want to find out where and all that, because we have, boy, we have a ton of British friends. Nathan and I both been over there quite a bit. But he is also the president of Paranormal World Productions. He also has a true crime podcast. You just started a new podcast as well with another gentleman and a young lady. What's the name of that one. There's a reason that my name says host of too many podcasts because it's hard for me to keep them
all straight. There's backwoods horror stories that we just started. There's that Bigfoot podcast with Wayne and I host over there. Yes, it's not encounters based. It's more of a conversational kind of thing. We talk about things that piss us off in Bigfoot. Sometimes. It's definitely a different show. It's catching on quite rapidly. People seem to be enjoying that format, so it's one of my favorite things to do. It's more conversational based. But yeah,
I got it. I gotta just red you bright. Everything you do is catching on because everybody just wants you to come and speak. So that is, of course. The retired Atlanta police officer who joined US for a law enforcement specific paranormal Bigfoot and UAP podcast, Brian Dang Sure, North Carolina and Georgia's own By the way, DJ, he's got a new book out. You needn't even know. Oh, thank you. Oh he's no an author too. What's the name of your book, Brian, Because that's just
released right Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend. Yeah, the presale's going on now. The book will actually be out closer to the end of February for everybody, but you can get it on pre sale now. Hit over to Hanger one Publishing dot com and you'll see it right there. Shameless book plugover. I appreciate it. No congratulations, and deb just started writing a book, and I believe I don't know, Nathan, are you willing to
say that You're right? It's here, It's mostly here right now. Okay, we don't want to talk about the one. It's everybody's gonna but it's awesome. Now that we've taken care of mister Sharp, let's take care of my man, my hometown homie who so let's get some data in here, all right, Let's get some data so we can analyze, so we look like we know what we talk about. And that, of course is the hometown homie, the empresario of the Bigfoot Mapping Project, Scott top Day,
good to be here, Thank you, good introduction. I don't think you can top that. I'm in Doug's boat, right I just leave Mythical Legends podcasts and expedition. That's Daniel who we were talking about over at. It's Daniel's event that I'll be speaking at. So far he's announced I will be
there in person. Doctor Jeff Meldrum's going to be doing a virtual will talk for about an hour and during the event as well, and he's got other guests that he's got lined up you'll be releasing over the next couple of weeks, So we may as well stay with the last name convention Nathan, with Amy going first, and then we'll just go Doug et cetera, and then
Brian Sibyla and then Scott. So what's going to happen is everybody will present their topic, whether it be in the form of a statement or question, and then all the other panelists will get a chance to react to that, and then you guys can have some free play at the end and just converse because I know you're all have enormous regards for one another. Amy Boo, are you ready, my friend? I am ready go ahead with your with your topic work question, ma'am. Okay. This is something we were just
talking about on a Project Zoo book chat recently. We were talking about if sasquatch, bigfoot, the skuncape, whatever you want to call them, if they are flesh and blood creat creatures, how would they adapt to the different climate that are presented all across the United States and Canada. We know that people are seeing them all over the place. How would they throw or regulate if it was one hundred and twenty degrees in Texas. We were just talking
about Texas and the nice weather there. How would they thermo regulate if they were up in the snows in Alaska? Something just fun to think about. A lot of animals have to deal with this, and wondered if anybody had any ideas. Go to Doug. I want to know everybody to talk to who has a different answer. I want to get everybody's opinion on whether these creatures do any form of migration or is it specifically geographic migration where they only
migrate in certain areas, or is there just no migration? The other question I'd like to pose. I don't think I get to but I'm going to know another one out You get too. But here's the thing you have to do. We're we're all going to do Amy's question. Then you're then we're going to go to yours. I don't know how this works. I'm just gonna state whatever. I wonder what people think about bigfoots living on the edge of humanity? Is that kind of their main Hay note, Amy will come
back to your question. Let's go with dougs. Was I supposed to answer her question? Yes, yes, what happens well, Amy will present her question, Gig, you got to realize that you're dealing with here. You're dealing with somebody who's left my cell phone at home when I left today. I tried to eat cereal with a fork. Anyhow, How did they thermal regulate? Yes, all right, I would imagine that if if there is any type of thermal regulating, they're doing it through some form of stupor,
like bears do. Bears will take and pump the blood from their extremities into their core so they can either cool or they can stay warm, and I would imagine that's the only way that it's done with big mammals. So my guess that there would have to be some form and I don't mean hibernation, but a form of stupid it's really hot, they crawl into a cool area, their blood pumps from their extremities into their core, and therefore they can
regulate their temperature. So that would be my guess. That'd be the best guess I can come up with. Nathan, I feel like we've got to write Doug a check after that answer that was DJ DJ Since I start, why don't you have people state their question and then answer, then they have answer the one before it. Amy's goes all the way around. Then we'll go check. Okay, okay, all right? So who do we go
when next? Is a miss Irwin Amy. I've often thought of that question because we get such incredible temperatures here in South Texas where they have been, So it's a question I've pondered so often. And I wonder if they sweat like a horse will sweat. We sweat, obviously to cool ourselves down.
And I wonder if you think of the Pacific Northwest, like maybe the thickness of the hair they have here as opposed to maybe because I have worked with some individuals who have actually seen sasquatches with very thin hair, but they've seen a lot of skin, so maybe their coats they don't have as much hair down here, And I think that maybe that's why they're also seen quite off in my water sources, Like maybe they cool off just like we do in
the water and stuff like that. That's the way I would think that they do it. That's another great answer, Brian, Yeah, I tend to agree with Doug and Sibylla. I think the opposite is true. For me, I have always wondered more about the colder temperatures because they're seen so farther north, and as far as I know, I may have heard one story that I've collected over the years that suggest that they may have some sort of fire usage, but other than that, there's really not a whole lot of
ways to stay warm. So that's one of the things that has always fascinated me. When you talk about you're getting up into Canada, Alaska, in those areas where these things are seen, how do they stay warm during those extremely cold months. Because if you take a lowland gorilla, for example, and take them out and drop them into Alaska, they're not going to be
able to survive. It's just that simple. So these things have to be able to do something very similar to what Doug was talking about, possibly to regulate their body temperature in some way. I don't necessarily think they hibernate, but I think they could very much slow down their metabolism, possibly in some way to survive in those colder temperatures. And very much like Sybylla said and Doug said about regulating in the heat, I think sweat is a good question.
Do they do that, how do they do that? And using water sources to stay warm, I think would make the most sense to me. I know our creek is always freezing on our property, no matter what month of the year it is. I've been out there and got in it myself to cool down in the heat of the summer when I'm working outside. Fascinating question though, Yeah, it's a great question. Also thinking their hunting habits must change during the summer when they're the energy, the amount of energy they
want to expend. Even here in Texas where the temperatures get so high, there's rivers that are sprays and they stay really cool, like all throughout the entire SCE So I could see the news in that for sure. Yeah, we have apes here too. Let's go with I think Scott is next,
right, Yeah, I'm going to break out an sat word here. I think it's an eco geographical rule and amy they might have rut it up in the coal, but it's Bergmann's rule and what that is it's basically larger body size in colder climates because a larger body size allows those bigger animals like polar bears is a good example, compared to black bears, to retain their body
heat. So I think in colder climates Bergmann's role could come into effect where the bigfoot or sasquad have a lot your body size on average than perhaps bigfoot or similar species in warmer climates. It's an established by biological rule, and I think that it probably does apply. I think it's pretty logical. However, I say that, and I know there's a lot of reports in my database that say there's heap foot big foot in Texas. It's the first thing
that jumped to mind. Though, when you talk about temperature and regulating body temperature and surviving cold climates, we need to zell it's got some money for that answer. That was really good, Nathan. Did you and Debth have anything you wanted to come in on that or I do have something? Yeah, just real quick. I think I've been reading about tartar grades or water bears, and it's fascinating what they do. They regulate by eliminating water in
their bodies and dehydrating themselves and then rehydrating. So when you hear about things like that, and you're talking about an animal that hasn't been examined, at least not publicly known about. Right, there's always a chance that there's something way out there and left field we haven't thought of. I just wanted to throw that out there. All can think about a couple of things, and
one is something to do. There are called thinking or reading about humans and like the size of our brains and how energy regulation and temperature regulation is so important to maintain an optimum temperature for the brain tissue. We think about bigfoot and how high the head might be and what's the size of their cranial mass. I think about the temperature regulation there, and then also think about their
habitat. We don't seemingly haven't heard a lot of accounts of them having dens or living in caves, But typically if you had a habitat like that, you might have a way to better regulate temperature because in a cave the temperature is generally about the same throughout the year if you go deep enough inside of that. So, yeah, really interesting to think about. That's a good one. We've got to get Will lauancepord On here from Arkansas bigfoot investigator talk
about some caves and those art stuff. That would be awesome. So Doug, it's your turn, sir, But your question, I was going to answer another point to any question. One thing that people don't realize is that throughout the northern latitudes there are peat bogs. These peat bogs get very warm in the winter. They're warm all year, but they're extremely warm in the winter. And we've done some studies in peat bogs and putting up camera traps.
I don't want to end in a long story, but there has been some evidence presented to us that there were bigfoots in the areas right in the middle of a warm peatbog up in northern Minnesota. So that could be another way in the winter time that they seek more moderate temperatures by just taking up residents in a peatbog over the winter, like snow Monkey's gone in the hot
springs. Yeah, it's the decaying vegetation that causes all this heat. Sometimes thirty forty fifty feet down and it just produces a hell of a lot of heats. Seems like they would want to bed down there for the night. And also I'm sure Amy can get into later on, maybe get into the bedding a little bit that she's seen and if there's any sort of a covering, because they've found the beds, but I was curious if I've created any sort of a cover. I don't know. Do you have anything on that,
Amy? Real quickly, Well, if you're talking about the nests with the Olympic Project, they don't really have a covering except for the trees that canopy above them, which is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think it's people making them, because if it was people, right away started asking why couldn't it be a person, a hermit out there or something like that. I don't want to get into that too much, but there's a lot of reasons why I don't think it's people. But one of them is because
there's no really good covering to protect a human being. Yeah, it's not how we would construct a shelter that many feet thick, but nothing to cover you from the elements. Right, Doug, did you want to present your question? Please? No, I still want to talk about Amy's question. Oh please, Glad, and I ask you why I asked why I asked it. It's a great question. Yeah, Please stay tuned for more Sasquatch
outyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. The big reason, besides the fact that we were talking about it with some of the projects do books scientists, I had been reading about how some primates when it gets too hot out labell can't to let off some of that. So I was trying to match that up with any kind of Bigfoot reports where there was that kind of
behavior. And I specifically wanted to ask Scott. I was going to see if you said anything on your own, but have you ever heard any anything like that? I haven't read anything in the reports that have come in, and even in I just digitized and plotted John Green's historical database and I read through a lot of almost all those reports as oh, I didn't see anything about panting. Now you bring it up, that's them breathing, strange or
I've heard of them opening their mouths. So now I'm curious, could that be panting? I don't know. I don't want to read into it or make something up if it's not there. Just wondering about that. Yeah, I think that mouth breathing is a way to I think the Tibetans do that with they say if you breathe through your nose, you'll build up more interior
heat. They'll sit outside and wet those red robes and they'll dry them just with their breathing, and it's a lot of nose inhale and exhaled through the nose, whereas if you're trying to cool off, you use your mouth like a dog does, or like we've just talked about that the some of the primates too, So Doug I was gonna mention, I don't have as much concern of them cool enough because these creatures are never seen far from water.
Never. It's just almost ninety eight percent chances they are going to be within yards of water, so they can use water to cool off. And then when you're hot, you just go inactive, you find shade and pretty much can get by even on the hottest days if you're resting. But in the wintertime, it's another story, another way that an animal like a big foot could keep warm in the winter. Besides, pete bogs is literally just covering
themselves with snow. Snow is ninety eight percent air, the great insulator, and that will preserve a lot of the body heat. So just by them raking snow over their body, they're going to be quite comfortable. I'd suggest anybody get a chance to try it. Put a foot of snow over your body, and you're really quite warm. And I really think like Sobilla said that probably the hair for whatever it is, would change depending on the climate too. Yeah, I would think so. I love that you mentioned that's
villa. Next question, go ahead, Hi, check, I already gave my question. Okay, do it again? Do it again? I see what I can remember. I am always debating with people and never seem to get any kind of consistent answer, and that is, do these things do they migrate to get into more comfortable temperature zones? Do they only migrate maybe from Minnesota, the ones in the Midwest where it gets really cold, the
bread basket? Do they migrate south? Do the ones on the coast barely migrate because it's more temperate, the ones in Washington It never really gets twenty below there, but here we get twenty thirty forty below zero. Do they migrate? And do they migrate for reasons of comfort or could it be just reasons for food sources or if they're truly meat eaters, maybe because meat is
three sixty five what's three hundred and sixty five days a year. So those are all the complicated confusion questions with migration, and I would think Scotland with the mapping project would be forming some opinions, and I'd love to hear certainly some of Scott's, but just people in general, what do they think about
migration, because it's confusing. Also, the other statement about migration, maybe this aids in us not being able to really track them because what if some say the healthy ones say I want to stick it out in Minnesota, and what if older ones go, hey, I'm just going to try to make a living here. I'm not up for that long eight hundred mile walk. So those are some of the questions and sub questions that I would really love
to get some more opinions on the billity. I have heard some witnesses talk about seeing sasquad just following a migration of elk, that we're leaving Colorado and going for New Mexico because New Mexico there was a Native American reservation just right there, and that they were leaving Colorado and heading to New Mexico. I think that there is migration following the elkers for that group. Think it's really
sight and reaching specific about whether they migrate or not. I do know that when I was living in Kentucky on that research project, when it was hunting season and all the hunters were out in the fields doing their hunting, I had zero activity. Like the Sasquatches literally just went dark. They seem to understand and there were plots of land that were hunted, and there were plots
of land like tons of acres that was never hunted. There were sidings in the areas that were never hunted, and there were zero sidings in the areas. That doesn't really pertain to migration, but it does seem to point to the fact that they really understand some of the viral activities and how to avoid us when they need to. They're so intelligent. It's just unbelievable how they've
figured out how to maneuver around us. I know, that's like a whole show in itself there, mister king Sharp, I just have to go with my gut on this because I don't have enough data to speak in intelligently about it, because I really haven't studied the migration of Sasquatch. I don't think anybody really knows obviously, everything we're talking about subjective. My gut has always told me no, and I don't really know outside of that, just to
say it's my gut feeling. It doesn't make sense to me that they would migrate, because if they are as elusive as I believe them to be, migration opens up a whole nother litany of problems for these things to go from one place to another. Like Doug said, you're talking thirty forty below in Minnesota, they may have to go eight hundred miles to get to a more
temperate climate in the middle of the winter. It just doesn't make sense to me that they're doing that across the country, let's say, because I think if they were, we would have more sightings of these things in certain times of the year, like winter, when it would make sense that they were doing this migration. That's why my gut has always told me no. Of course, like most things, I'm usually wrong a lot of the time, so I could certainly be wrong about this, but my gut has always told
me no. I don't think that they migrate. Again, That's about as intelligently as I can speak about it, because I don't have anything other than my gut that tells me that you're in great company. And then I think the question would be what constitutes migration. Is it just that they're going several miles away or double digit miles away, that could be a form of migration. I don't know. I guess I don't know the definition, but I'll
bet you that Scott pumpkin stuff. I happen to be a hunter Sibyla, and I've also done analysis on some of the big Foot sightings in the database. Seasonally, my first comment would be along the lines of migration. I'll use mule deer for example, and elk. They have a summer range and a winter range, right, so some elk sometimes are very Their summer range can be up in high elevation, right, and then their winter ranges down
in like farm fields and things like that. That don't happen to be that far away in a linear distance, but if you go up in elevation, they're really it's a big change in climate and the environment that they're in. I guess I'm going with that would be what I've seen in the analysis that I've done. I think if you were to say migration, I think bigfoot. And this is my opinion based just solely I'll send you the post that
I did a couple of years ago. There's a winter range, and I think what I've seen in the data is that it's actually more spread out. The sightings are further apart, and if you think about food availability, that might be why. Right, it's more scarce, particularly in the northeast, is where I saw a more spread out range in the winter, and then spring comes along and it starts to concentrate. Summer is the most concentrated time that I've seen in the map anyway, and then fall they start to spread
out again. So that could be for a lot of reasons. It could be for mating, it could be for food availability, it could be for weather, or all of the above. So in short, I think, yes, they do regionally migrate, if that could be a term I could coin, like a winter range and a summer range situation similar to elk and mule deer. But as far as long ranging migrations like from hundreds or thousands of miles, I don't see that in the data. But then again,
who's to say that the database that I've got is complete. We're still working on it, But based on what I've analyzed, I think there's a regional migration based on again either mating, food availability, and weather and seasonal change. That's what I'm seeing so far. I know this would be more in the realm of subjective, but do you got feel like that those teenagers when they get to a certain age, they have to leave that troop, if
you will, where there's an alpha male in place, it's possible. Going back to elk again, there's like satellite bulls and they roam looking for a herd or for females. So yeah, I think it's possible. But that's where data is key, and really to get reliable reports to be able to say that authoritatively. That's a tough one because how does somebody who sees a bigfoot for the first time know the age or the gender, etc. So
I think it's using known wildlife as a model. Yes, I think it's possible, but I don't have anything in the data set to authoritatively say yeah, I think that's happening. Great scientists, we have to tell us what you do at some point during the show. But let's go to amy.
I think I agree with everybody that I don't think the term migration maybe is the best word, because as far as most people are thinking of geese flying south and going long distances, but we do have some evidence of if you're looking at track evidence, where there will be the tracks that look like they're from the same animal that show up several miles away many years later or even closer in time. So if those are legitimate tracks, then it seems like
they do move around quite a bit. I have an app called follow Fahlo. It's not my app, but I downloaded the app where you can buy a bracelet that will follow like a gorilla or an elephant, and it gives money to help the animals, and you could see how they move around and things. So they definitely move around for food, maybe the climate. I agree with whoever it was that said it would really depend on if they have to move. If they don't have to move, I don't think they would
move much. But if they need to move around a little bit or a lot to follow food, then for sure. And I was glad that you brought it up. This is what I was waiting to say, is that, for my understanding, gorillas do leave one group to go to another group to help protect the breeding population, especially if there aren't that many sawcequatch, and my personal belief is there could be less than we think. I don't know that, of course. I'm just thinking of like the Cross River gorillas.
They think they're only two to three hundred left in the wild now, and they would have to be objective of their breeding population. Yes, like you said, j the younger male gorillas will go to another troop because they aren't allowed to be back with the main silver back, so they go over there for that reason. And you said that too, Scott, about mating. So that is something again, if they are a natural creature, if they are some type of a primate, it would depend on whether they're closer
to in orangutangrilla or a human. But I could see that would be a possibility that they leave. Yeah, And I was going to say, I think people have extrapolated upon You'll see people that have seen a male and a female or a group of female a while the male looks really well coaffed and taken care of, and then they'll see one that looks not quite as large but really scraggly hair, dirty hair, and so you can build an errative out of that. It's anecdotal, but on something like they say anecdotes are
a form of evidence. There may not be proof, but they're evidence. So interesting. I'm talking to Brian, He's going to be like, yo, let me get my book out. Okay. So I think did we get everybody did? As did mister Hydecheck need to get in. Help me out, Nathan. Where we're at. We're good. Unless deb may have a comment, I don't know. She wants to yes, yes, please. I wanted to add one more point. Migration is something that a lot
of more intelligent primates have done in the whole create eight family. One of the reasons we know that is because they diversified, and from what I've heard, there is some diversity with Sasquatch. So I just wanted to throw that out there as a potential piece of evidence. That's another great topic to that whole line. Nathan, did you have anything? I was going to mention that to me, it seems to be a sort of a function of energy
and caloric need. So what is their diet their creature of the size that they would have to be, being so tall, so muscular, et cetera. What is their primary food source? And I would think it would need to be something that would be very color dense, energy rich. Otherwise they have to consume a tremendous amount of vegetation to meet the calork needs that they would have, and migration, I would imagine, would be really tethered to
the food that they need to sustain their biomass. And so that you think about a huge creature. The more they have to travel, the more energy they actually need to be able to do that. So maybe they do travel
with these birds because that might be their primary food source. Yeah. When I went to survival school, they talk about that over and over, about expending energy when you're in a survival situation and how many calories you're going to need to go do X, Y and z. And of course these shows like a Loan they talk about that as well, but they hit that over and over and survival school, I feel such a big responsibility to people when they ask me this question, and I would love to hear from ans Pianel,
like, how do they answer this question when people ask it? Are these beings dangerous? I'm working tomorrow with the man who literally says the only reason he's alive is because they have weapons. And then there, on the other hand, you have people who have like the one man who the sense squatch was doing sign language to speak to him. So you have these experiences all of the spectrum, from the most aggressive to just they're curious about you.
So I'd love to know how the people in this fiannel feel about just how dangerous are these creatures being right, great question. I can tell you. I have never been of the opinion that every sasquatch out there is out to kill everybody. They're responsible for every person who goes missing and the national parks across the country. But I can tell you this from personal experience.
I've talked to a lot of people who have had experiences. There have been some hair raising experiences that I've documented on my show, at least just recently. I had a gentleman come on First Nations from up and he's in Alaska, and he was talking about He started his channel talking about these things are not our friends. He got into their oral history, and their oral history
is nothing but warnings about the hairy Man. It has played out time and time and again in his life and the life of some of the elders that he is associated with and his friends and family. He told a harrowing story on my show just last week about having to shoot his way out of a cabin. That's Fred, right, that Fred, Yes, Okay, so
I'm going to be doing his witness sketches. He mentioned that they're indipity, right, and I'm very excited to see that You're going to work with him and come up with some of these images because his stories are so compelling, and I believe every word that comes out of Fred's mouth, to be quite honest with he has no dog in the fight to be telling anything other than the truth here, and other people I've had on the show that have talked
about very scary encounters with these things. So if they are large primates, and I believe that they are, they have the propensity, just like human beings, to be very dangerous creatures. I think these things have personalities very similar to people. They are nice people and they are horrible people. There are people who kill in rage, and there are serial killers. I'm certainly not trying to put those traits on any sasquatch by any means, so please
don't quote me there. But I said all that to say I think there is the propensity for that to be there in these creatures just like in human beings. So I think they can be very dangerous. And I think that everybody who goes out looking for these things needs to be careful. And I think you need to have your head on a swivel, and I think you need to be smart about doing your research and go out in payers at least with other people, and be prepared. Some people don't like to carry weapons.
I don't go hiking on my forty acres here without a weapon because of bears. I don't want to shoot a bear, but I don't want to be mauled by one either. I certainly don't want to be killed by a sasquatch. I don't want to kill a sasquatch, But you need to protect yourself, and I think you have to be smart. So long winded way to say, I think these things are dangerous. I think they can be dangerous. Are they all dangerous, bloodthirsty killers? By no, st the
imagination. They're just like bears, They're just like gorillas. They're like any other large primate and or large dangerous mammals. You have to treat them with respect and the propensity for dangers always there. Can't argue with that. And there's enough encounters where they've walked through campsites and not touched anybody's stuff. Do you have to take down intoccount? But you also it's a dangerous animal. I just want to say for everybody out there, this is calling all beings
and man, what an amazing back we have tonight. You guys are just killing it, just exactly like we thought you would go with that. Let's see, right after mister Sharp goes Tompkins cool, I'm going to repeat something my grandmother had to hammer into me when I was a kid, is don't
touch wild animals. So I think sasquatch are wild animals, and along the same lines like Brian was saying, situationally, it depends on how they're going to behave and what they perceive that if you're a threat or not right. For example, if a mother bear has cubs or an alligator is near its nest, that natural instinct tech they're young, is going to kick in and they become lethal, right, But any other time they may avoid you and just go a different way. So I think it really depends on, because
they have a higher intellect, how they perceive that person's behavior. If they recognize weapons and pattern that if they think you're infringing on their territory, as an alpha male might think. So, I think my answer is yes, they can be dangerous. I agree with that, but I do think that they don't necessarily behave that way all the time. I think it's a reaction more than it is a habit with these creatures, depending on what they perceive
that we're doing in their world. Absolutely, miss Amy, I agree with what the gentleman said before me. If they are some type of a natural, earthly creature, I would just say, Mama, Barry like you did, Scott, I'm a nice person, but go after my daughter. And I'm not so. I would think that any type of an animal, or
even if they're closer to a human, would do the same. Just to play Devil's advocate here, because I think everybody knows that my interest in Sasquatch is based on whether or not they could be a living, breathing, cooping, mating animal. Right, That's how I look at them. That's my interest, not saying I'm right, but if they were something different, say something spiritual. And I'm seeing different comments in the chat, which I greatly
respect other people's ideas I hope that they wouldn't be just all good. And I don't know if that sounds really weird, but to me, something that would have no ability to show, even like righteous anger or something like that, would be they wouldn't have any kind of free will, you know what I mean. So I know I'm getting out there, but even if you're looking at it in a different way, I think there's always the potential of getting angry, right, I don't know. It's trying to think outside of
the box here. But as for as an animal, and we talk a lot about different primates, I always say much rather meet a gorilla than a chimpanzee out in the woods. They're very different. But I don't want to mate I'm at gorilla either. Yeah, I think that they could be dangerous. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. The only chimp I'd want to meet would be a bonobo. That's it. Yes, that could be okay, Yeah, your students must absolutely love
you, Amy, I'm sure I was Gonnaci. I get to ask this on Doug Show. But like we say, living breathing, flesh and blood or something else, I like to say absolutely. I believe it's a living, breathing flesh creature, animal, art, human, whatever you want to call it. But like humans, there are humans that have some extraordinary abilities remote viewing, we can get into psychokinesis all these different things, is it possible that some of them have an ability even though it's a flesh and leading
creature. That way, we don't don't have to say you're either on this side or you're on that side. Maybe there's a middle, verably agree, and a lot of things that are paranormal we just can't explain, I think. And we have ghosts Doug Satman's house. Is it possible they have ghosts too when they die and they're chilling around in Saltwork State Park where they found a great home for maybe twenty thirty years or more. Yeah, I don't
know. Why does it have to be either or you're either flesh and blood or you're spiritual. Why can't it be a mixture of those things? Like we are where flesh and blood and we're spiritual beings? This good boy? That's right, great points villa. All right, did dev and Nathan have anything? Mister? How check sir? Oh? Okay? I think Brian started it out really good. You're dealing with probably an animal or a creature that generally operates on fear because they do stay out of trouble most of the
time. They don't run into a small town and start tearing awnings off buildings. Okay, so they operate on fear like a black bear, so they're reserved. But I think they're very individual. I think just like people, they've got more curious ones, less curious ones, wise ones, naive ones. You've got different sexes They're going to behave differently. That really becomes hard to then put some kind of pattern on them, to put a label on
them. Obviously, I've experienced their explosive temper, so I do believe if you surprise them, they have an explosive temper like a chimp or even a gorilla. They can explode to and just It doesn't mean they're going to kill somebody, but they might grab you by the leg and drag you up the hill quick just to show you whose boss because you startle them. Black bears
are the same way. I've been in many close one foot away with mother with cubs and everything's cool, but I'll do something just a little wrong that I don't even know what I did, and it'll set her off explosively and she'll swatch you or swat the ground. And I think they're a lot like that, you know, so you maintain your distance, don't do anything rash. I think you're generally safe. But there may be also bigfoots that have
got a health problem. They're starving, they're ornery, they've got a thorn in their foot, they're of an injury, and like wild animals, those animals are going to be more dangerous if they're starving and whatnot. And so that's it, and that's back to the even the migration thing. I think
we're just dealing with so many individuals that do so many different things. There's no pattern except for some patterns, and so it becomes a really tough thing to get a handle on, far harder than like a troop of gorillas that eat a very few different types of plants have very similar habits. I think big Foo, but they're all over the map, will Ins. But that's when you're yeah, do you take Venmo, Doug, Yeah, I take
Veno, Yeah, good Sony Cortland's Allan, Scott Tompkins. But even bears, like Brian had mentioned taking a gun when he goes out because of the black bears. Generally you're okay, but man if you get a bad one, but you'd hate to be unarmed. And that does happen. There are black bear attacks. They're rare, but they do happen. And no doubt there's bigfoot attacks that we don't know anything about because there's nobody surviving to tell the tale. Well, big one, bigfoot wants to get you. It's
gonna drag you off. There's no doubt in my mind you're going to be dragged away into the woods. You're probably not going to be killed right then and there. You're going to be dragged away and you probably are going to be killed. But I just know that there's a great range of individuals with these things, and I don't say for sure. Yes they have an explosive
temper, but I'm still here. They didn't kill me. There's a lot of anecdotes that suggest that they're far more where people walked away or it walked away than there are anecdotes where someone was injured. Of course, I think it was Ohio Amy where those two fishermen they got close to that island. The rock started coming off that little island. Then he exited the boat with
his cousin in there was ranger. He took through a rock and then it came flying out of the woods and whacked him and broke his ribs, and they had like a forty five minute troll back to the car. Like everybody was saying, you hear stories about that, but personally, I don't think there's not that you were saying it, but it just thought about. I don't think is there any maliciousness or evil intent behind it. I think it's more just get out of here. He was alone. This is where I
fish, not you. The fact that they throw rocks should tell everybody they don't want to confront you. The rock throwing alone is mainly to warn you without confrontation. They don't want an altercation. That old cliche about them just operating on fear, which has helped them survive all these years. It's a survival mechanism. That's why black bears are scared of their own shadows. It's helped them survive. Black bears evolved during they had to survive when they were
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