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Hey everybody, this is Less Strive. Yes, yes I know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Audis he there and welcome back to Sasquatchis. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you're having a great week. We have an amazing guest line up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get me
a Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, became remember there and help support the show. I got to sit down and talk to David Race from the Monstrosity Podcast. He's
done radio for a ton of years. He's a comedian and he is now the host of The Monstrosity Podcast where he sits down and talks to celebrities that you've probably heard of in the past, and they have conversations about all things strange like bigfoot, ghost UFOs, anything to do with a paranormal I will link to Monstrosity here in the show notes for Apple Podcasts and Spotify, but
you can get it anywhere you listen to this show. In addition to talking about some of the interesting stories that some of these celebrities have shared with David, he's also here to share his bigfoot encounter, so you definitely don't want to miss that. So I know you guys are ready to get into it. David's on the line, He's ready to go. All you got to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show hard. I want to welcome our guest to the show. It is David Race, the host
of the Monstrosity podcast. Welcome to the show. David, Hey, how are you doing. I am good man. I am glad to have you here. I've been looking forward to this conversation. So let's get right into it. Before we get into the bigfoot stuff that we're going to talk about tonight, let's talk a little bit about your show, how that became about for you, because I know as a podcaster, everybody I talked to into podcasting has some sort of a story that got them where they're at. Talk
about the impetus of your show and how that started for you. It's a two part answer. The part one of that is that I was dis jocking the radio for vizillion years. Having done that, I already had the whole broadcasting foundation thing down from years of that. And then I became a standup comedian on the East Coast back in the late nineties, moved to LA in
the early two thousands, continued doing under stand up. And as I was going around town doing stand up all these years in LA, I started fighting more or comedians were doing podcasts. I was hearing it left and right in green rooms and things, and at first I really was skittish about it. I didn't want to hear about anything that reminded me of radio. I was like, I already did that. I'm gonna go do a radio show from my house this time. No, I did not want to know about that.
So I feel like I was the last comedian I knew in LA to get into the podcasting arena. But ultimately, around twenty fifteen, i'd say throwing that idea around in my mind. I think I was in a shower when it occurred to me that what if I do a podcast that's not just like what all the other comedians were doing, which was just like the Johnny Johnson Show or the Frank Stevens Show or Frank and his Friends. They were all doing that. I was like, what if I hang a picture frame
around what this thing is? The construct around it would be comedians talking about Bigfoot. And I knew that I have an incredible amount of knowledge and passion on that topic. I knew that I could talk about that for days and hours, and I knew the other comedians wouldn't. They probably be more cynical and comedian issue back. But I thought, if you think of it as a table, I thought, if I create a table that's me at one leg, a couple comedians as the other two legs, and then a fourth
leg is Bobo finding Bigfoot. The next week it's somebody else from the big Foot Organization of Oregon. If I create that table, that'll work. You have me, I'm a comedian, I'm the host. I'm serious and knowledgeab without the topic, but I can make jokes. You have two comedians that are idiots that are going to probably try to wreck the show, and you have Cliff Barrickman at the other peg. And I thought like that would be an interesting show like this all came to me in a shower or something,
as I often do. I came out of the shower writing notes, frantically writing down this idea before I forget this. That turned into comedians talking about Bigfoot. That show got seven episodes in before it got me a TV deal, end the up going and shooting a pilot TV deal with the guys who had done Monster Quest. We went and shot for a week and I cast two comedians in it with me. The construct was very similar to that podcast.
We shut the hell out of an episode, but there were various things that weren't quite right and that kept it from selling and kept it from getting off the ground. I still think it could have sold certain things that have been allowed to be done by me and others, but that's Water and the Ridge. It didn't sell for various reasons. Then I went back to the drawing board and I was sitting around here in LA thinking, Okay, do a podcast again, But do I want to do the same one again?
I want to bring that show back. At that point I had the two year layoff, and I thought, you know what, bring in a podcast that's almost the same but not quite exactly the same construct as that one. Let's call it monstrosity, got monster in it show itself as a monstrosity.
I loved that word, and it became monstrosity with David Race. And the construct difference between this and the Bigfoot one was I was going to focus more on celebrity guests, not necessarily comedians, as the guests still put that other guy, the serious person from the UFO show or the Bigfoot sho or the Ghost show at the other end of that and go that sort of slight adjustments from the old version of the show that's been running now a couple of years,
doing quite well. And I can't believe the significant celebrities that have just come rolling in the door when after the next to do the show. And you know, a lot of times, I don't know how this is happening. By the way, I've been a lot of times my teenage crushes tend to walk in. Don't know how they all find out about the show somehow I got teenage crush after the teenage crush walking in there, with Daisy Duke coming in, Lonnie Anderson came in. There's others I'm forgetting, And then
we've had rock stars on Shadows Stevens is a favorite episode of mine. He was great, just one person half next to movie stars, tv stars, rock stars, and they come in and I stick him in there with a guy from anchiin Aliens or Matt Moneymaker or whatever. Let's talk a little bit about some of the people that have been on the show and have shared their experiences. I've done a little background. I know a little bit about the
show, so I know the answer to this. But how many of the people that you're bringing on have an interest in Bigfoot and have anything to share as far as encounters go with Bigfoot itself. That keeps surprising me because it's not a requirement of the celebrity guest bookings on the show. I mean, imagine, if I made a requirement you need to have had a big Foot sight, like I'd be down to one one hundredths well, the celebrity in Los Angeles. So we make it clear in the booking invites that you know,
you don't need to know anything. Davy'll handle that. You know that money Maker'll handle that. You just you're along for the ride, you have fun with it, or if you're interested in the topic, chime in. You know that kind of. But what keeps happening, and again it's not a required It keeps happening that celebrities are showing up who I find out unexpectedly have had unusual experience. They keep laying them out there for him every time
they walk in. Lydia Cornell, I'm Too Close for Comfort ended up basically revealing that she had been abducted by aliens. I don't think she even understood that's what happened, but actually unfolded her story. It's clear to me that's what happened. Shadow Stevens had some weird alien things. Robert Karendine from Revenge of the Nerds had a thing where he was sitting at a table with some guy at a diner, and he was the guy was telling him a story,
and he was getting really mad at somebody else in the story. He was steaming mad. He was staring at the drinking glass on the table as he was steaming mad about this thing this guy was telling him, and the drinking glass exploded into a million pieces, like a creskin kind of thing.
They all keep coming at. Lonnie Anderson was filming the Jane Mansfield Story with Arnold Schwarzenegger, and she was filming it in Jane mansfield old house, in the house to Jane Mansfield lived in, and she feels she was being haunted by Jane Mansfield's ghost during the filming. Actually had a visitation by the physical ghost that she could see. She had a visitation while she was in Jane mansfield shower and I asked her how clearly could she see the ghost that was
visiting, because it was very likely a male ghost photographer. But was the sort of exchange that come up? But it's just yes. The answer is there's no requirement that a celebrity come in and have these sort of knowledge based things, but they seem too pretty consistent. Gotcha, Let's talk a little bit about your personal experiences. I know again, for me, I got in podcasting because the things that happened to me when I was a kid.
I've always been interested in Bigfoot, and I wanted to talk to as many people as I possibly could that have had those kind of experiences. I haven't seen one of these things, but I want to talk to a ton of people who have. Is that sort of what got you interested in the subject. Was it experiences that you had early on it was it just something that you were into as a kid and then blossomed later in life. I know you've had some experiences that I certainly want to get to and share with the
audience. I'd take a little bit of ball early on, long before I had any experience, Like so many people, probably my age, I loved that Leonard Nimway show in Serghow. I used to creep the hell out by that show. Scared the hell out of me, but I couldn't turn it off. Even the music on that show was scared, just like the background of music, not the theme music, which was scary, but the actual music they would lay under him while he's doing his narration. Most peculiar music
playing on that show. So it was just really well done. I loved that show. I used to watch it that and it was a It was a theatrical release of a Bigfoot thing when I was a kid, and I remember fascinated me, like, not Harry and the Henderson's, not something silly like that, something serious, something like on the Patterson Gimlin line, somewhere like something like documentary I remember was released in the mid seventies when I was
a kid, and that was like something I was fascinated by. So the topic was rolling around in me since childhood, and I think I'd be terrified of but fascinated by a similar thing. UFOs also another thing that would really interest me at time, and then later on in two thousand and seven, October two two thousand and seven, to be exact, I have my experience. So October two thousand and seven, my father owned a house upstate New York. I grew up on Long Island, and he owned a vacation property
upstate in New York also that he would go to all the time. Then I knew that probably most of my whole life. And in October two thousand and seven, I was on the East Coast to see a Genesis concert. Anybody who listens to my show even one episode, finds out I'm the world's biggest Genesis fan, so I shouldn't be surprised to anybody that I flew three thousand to see a rock con. So my wife and I are on the
East Coast seeing these Genesis shows. And then towards the end of that trip, we went upstate to my father's house with him and his wife, and while we were there, one night, my wife. Maybe on the first night. She's standing outside on the porch. It's a log cabin house at the top of a private properties on the plateau of a mountain, on a private property. My father owned fifty five acre, and there's no one nearby.
I don't remember that you could see a house nearby. It's just out there in the middle of the woods, a couple thousand feet up or something, on the top of a plateau on a fifty five acre private gated property. That's where this house is. It's a log cabin house. My wife is standing outside ten o'clock at night or something, looking through the telescope, and the stars are so crystal clear out there. And she's not into these topics. This isn't her universe at all, this stuff. And I'm watching
her through the window. I'm in the living room seeing her through the glass, and I'm noticing she keeps pulling down the telescope from her eye, looking around, you know, like she heard something. How was that kind of getting back to the telescope that seemed spooked again, unusual behavior for her. And then after a few of these things, she comes in and says to me, I don't like this I'm standing inside, and I said, what
what's going on? She goes, I feel like something's watching me, and I'm hearing like noises over there, and then a rabbit ran by, very scared. Again. I didn't think that much of this because I knew bigfoot stuff from Leonard dee moy, from documentaries, from reading a little bit.
I probably had started to watch some of the big foot TV shows, but there weren't as many as they're like Finding big But I think probably came on around that time, maybe a little laughter that, and so I didn't I wasn't like as well versed as I became, so I just took it as just generally spookiness of the woods, and it directly goes that's a bigfoot incident. I didn't think like that yet. Rest of night goes on pretty uneventfully. We're in the house and things you would do in the house, and
then we went to bed for the night. The room that we were staying in was on the opposite side of the house from the room my father and his wife's standing, and so we have our own wall to the woods. And at about three o'clock in the morning and the pitch dark, while we're sound asleep. A smashing thump or two or three happens on the wall next to our heads. And this is a hard as a rock log cabin. This is not a shaky place. This is not some place that you can
knock down with a push. This was like like in that kind of pace. Two or three hits right next to our heads, and the room was staying in and it's pitch dark, and we're dead asleep, this dead dead middle night. So we both jumped and looked at each other. What you just woke and sid like the Cleveland of being woken up if someone had taken two parades symbols back don't together. It was that kind of sudden wake up, like three stooges stuff. We walk up, looked at each other,
and went the house. And then we both just looked at each other and later our heads back down sleep. We didn't stand up and open the blinds or seek out the window. We were so tired and so suddenly woken up that we just throw ourselves back to sleep. Now, I can tell you that anybody who's been in a traumatic car accident, as I was once, the kind of knocks you out that you get really injured in. Most people who've been those kinds of things will tell you that they don't remember the details
of the accident. They don't remember things like that a yellow car was coming in and it hit us. Their brain doesn't let them see that in memory. And it's like almost a God's way of protecting the mind from having to suffer this trauma again, like he's gonna leave a blank cut in there and
you don't have to memorize that part of it. It's almost like some divine intervention happened to keep us from getting up and looking through the blind because I am positive that had I stood up instead of just looking at her and looking at me in and just falling back down, the said we had stood up with DRIs and went like this, just two feet away to the blinds.
I was staring face to face with a big book. Because there's nothing else that could have done what this was in the middle of the woods, our private property, fifty five acres in would no one around it now Later on a month or a week later, I don't even remember how long after, but if there's a record of it, I called the BFRO and reported this whole story, and they interviewed me for two and a half hours. Then they called me like a couple of days later, asked me more questions,
and I couldn't believe how thorough they were with the interview. I remember in the follow up call, listen, David, were a little embarrassed to call you and ask you this additional question, but it's an important one. Was your wife men'st writing? And I was like, I think so, and I wouldn't have asked her. And every woman has like a calendar with these things written down on them. And she was, and he goes, was
the window open? It was opened like an inn with a screen. So after my two hour call the first time and then my one hour call the second time, his conclusion was that that was a class B bigfoot. Nothing else that could have been. And I didn't know. This is the times I wasn't studied on this yet. This house that we're talking about was about twenty five minutes from Whitehall, New York, the home of all the upstate York bickfoot sighting. My father also ended up telling me all kinds of things.
He's an ex cop and his skeptical about all these kinds of things. He's not a next cup like you are. He's a next coup like the skeptical kind. And he ended up telling me things that rang up his Bigfoot things to me. Later on, as I asked him questions, and as I had got more well read on the topic and really was devouring everything you could about it, I started asking him questions about the property and he would give me these throwaway stories that he saw as nonsensical, like he was accidentally
saying things that were dead on Bigfoot things about even realizing it. For example, that a couple of times he found dead deer on the property with the broken leg, the back leg broken snapped, and the deer's laying there dead with the parts missing. He used to put his dog out and a dog run on the property, and when he'd come back, the dog was terrified and like in a corner, not wanting to be left outside, and that door run over again. Those sort of things would happen on that property.
He would tell me these things in a throwaway with I don't know, one time there was a dead deer like probably absurd things that I'm like, you mean, you had a big foot killing, Like he doesn't even know what
he's telling me. Now, in the years since then, not only am I really well read on the topic, but I've gotten a Matt Moneymaker pretty well, and he and I have talked about this, and he's also gone back and looked in the BFRO files at my original report, and he's gone and talked to the investigator in his group that talked to me about it. And Matt thinks that was the real thing. It had to be. There's
no other explanation for what would do that. And based on the geography, the proximity to Whitehall and all that when you got up the next day was bigfoot on your brain. And again I'll go back to just the reaction. A lot of people who share their experiences on my show, we'll say they'll have a really intense encounter with something out in the middle of nowhere in a
tent. Something's pushing on their tent, They're hearing noises, they're something walking around in the camp, sometimes picking shit up and throwing it around, and they just fall right back to sleep. And it seems to be I don't know if it's something psychological that happens during those kind of encounters. A lot of people, some of the high strangeness things will come into play and people will say, oh, Bigfoot has the ability to put people to sleep.
I'm not going down that road with you just exactly yet, but there is something to that part of these types of encounters. You guys, hear this horrible smacking on the side of the house and then you just fall back asleep. There's something that's going on there. I never thought of that. I never thought of that. I never thought about. It is the Bigfoot itself behind the thing. Go right back out, you're dan down, because it is remarkable that we both neither one of us got up and look like,
I don't think that what happened to my house in La. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. I think if anything weird happened in my house in La, one or both of us would look. I don't think we would both be like, oh what was that smashing? R R. Yeah, it's just not what we would do. And you're right, it's very weird that we both went back down, head to the pillow like Marionette's. But you want to drop the string instant.
I never ever thought of it, and I don't know if there's something else to that. Like I said, I've talked to plenty of people who will tell you there is something to it. Maybe the Sasquatch themselves have this ability to use infrasound or whatever it is that they're using. Again, that's something I can't prove. I can't go down that road because I don't have enough
anecdotal data to really present to anybody. But I've heard it in a ton of situations where you would think that people would be hyped up again if something happens here, we hear a loud noise, I'm up, I'm looking outside, I'm shotting the flashlight. Is everyone yeah? Yeah, yeah, anyone is? Yeah, there is. Like you said, there's no explaining why was that our reaction this time? And by the way, this window wasn't a far walk or it wasn't the kind of thing where too lazy, sleepy
people do. I don't want to walk fifty feet over there to the window I'm talking about. It was pretty much a reach out the bed situation. It was. The window was right here. I don't know if we're on are we on camera? Pick? The window was with my handleng was opened, the buck and we didn't bother, and I'll tell you right now, there's nothing else. When you tell a skeptic my story as I've done, they say stupid things like I was a bear, it was a deer.
First of all, If it was a deer, the deer would have been laying there dead, unconscious, having rammed his head into the wall like a freight train three times two or three times high speed. He'd have been laying there with a cracked skull upside down, four legs up. It's just there's nothing logical about that. I went out the next day and like looked at the window sill and looked at how the height is and where it seemed like it was coming from. It was. It's pretty high, like the thing
was hitting around nine ten feet high. It's just a weird spot and just a weird behavior for a bear. It's a weird spot for bear to hit. There are numerous bigfoot incidents, like you said, involving shaking of cabins, shaking of tents, hitting of structures. This is not an unusual behavior for bigfoot. Yeah, I've heard the stories so many times. Doug Highcheck, who's been on the show for monster quests, several times. Doug's a
friend of mine. He's talked about the New Grove Lake incident. They've had some wild experiences. His son Blaine has been up there on his own yep and something basically picked the damn cabin up and set it down. Yeah, I know those guys also. And let me tell you something. Doug high Check is a magnet from monster. I don't know what the hell happened in his past life, but he is being chased around by UFOs, bigfoots, dog men. If Doug high Check's around, you're in danger. Something might
catch you. I never met a person that's had so many mothmen chase him arat scout. That's unreal. And now I almost told Doug they're supposed to be coming out and interviewing me for the Legend Meet Science two documentary. Now almost to Doug, don't come. I don't want you on my property. Dude. Terrifying. He's being chased by monsters and UFOs round the clock, and his relatives are too, because when you talk to him, it's always
and his daughter had this happened? The son had that happened. His cousin and his uncle Tuesday were dibition locked this monster dactum. Doug high Check is a magnet from Monster. It's fitting that he did monster quest right. So yes, maybe when you guys got up the next day, did you go out and take a look around? Did you see anything? Was Bigfoot still on the radar for you? How was the rest of that trip did you
guys experience anything else? Then? Did you have a conversation with your dad at that time about what you guys had experienced and what was his reaction? I think the next morning I definitely mentioned it to him. And again I wasn't so knowledgeable on a bigfoot. I wasn't really well read that at the times, so big what wasn't absolutely my definitive thought. But I knew that this is very strange, like a year, for example, I would have
discounted immediately. I knew that's insane. Of course, that's the kind of answer my father gave me, an insane one. But was it the year? Probably a rabbit? He said something stupid like that. He just was very rolled off him Like I didn't say anything important, but I didn't quite
know what it was. And like I said, not very long after I start watching things like finding Bigfoot and seeing incidents that reminded me of this, watching high checks shows things like Monster Quest and seeing things that reminded me of this, and I went, oh, wait a minute. And then I thought about what's the bigfoot history upstate New York? And then I discovered the Whitehall incident. I go, oh, my god, where's Whitehall relations to
that? Up It's twenty minutes away, right on the same mountain chain. And then each different piece starts falling into place for me where I'm later on going wait a minute, and I realized what happened. How long was it after that? Because I know you've had other experiences? How long was it after that initial experience before you I had another experience of what you believe to be a sasquatch, probably three four years and the second incidents more visual but
less conclusive, if that makes sense. I haven't talked about this, this next one very much. I don't even recall if I've ever told this story on my podcast. But the second instant, the one you're that you'd be talking about, I think, is that Yosemite National Park can't even pay for you. What year it is. I'm going to take a guess, like
when you're eleven ish nowhere around there. I was on our private tour like where you're just like in a van with a tour guy that does this every day, Me and my wife him, and like maybe two other couples that I didn't know from other parts of the country, and we're all in this van all day and by that time I missed a Bigfoot. By that time, I'm really deep into the books. I've read dozens of books. By then, every episode of Finding a big Foot of Monster Quests I've been dvyard
and watched twenty times. That's why I am at that juncture, okay, And in this van ride throughout the whole day, I'm asking bigfoot question. It was really humiliating. Again, Like when I think about in my mind, i hear it out loud. I think about, what are these other people thinking. There's a couple from Dallas and a couple from Atlanta, and they're asking the normal questions you'd ask. Are you're a se Many tour guide. How much snow did they get up here during the winter time? And
it seems like a big lot of snuff? Hey, how high are those waterfalls? Things people would normally ask. It a situation like that I'm popping in with the third question, like, yeah, you got a lot of sasquatch sightings up here. You must be seeing things. You're on tour every day around this park, you have you seen stuff like where I'm getting looks over the shoulder from the driver. Yeah, I've seen something. At some point during the day, I think he actually said to me in my ear,
I've seen a lot of things up here. This is a scary place. I can't talk about that on this tour. Yeah. He gave me the mumbled explanations like you're on the right track, buddy. Now. At some point during that tour, we were standing on one of the famous overlooks, and God helped me. I don't remember the names of these things that cause you're seventy one of the places that if you go on the three hour tour, like Illigan of Yosemite, every ten feet you're in to do family
place. So you're at Miranda's landing, this is the place where John Beck once fell off the cliff, and you're at all different plays like that. At some point and there's somebody listening right now who knows what place I'm talking about, because I don't remember, But you're at some plateau area. They take you to where you're looking clear across a canyon at another rock face that also plateaus with no trees at the top, just a beautiful canyon across to
other rock. And I'm standing there in broad daylight looking across, and there's
a tree line on those rocks. Straight across from me is probably one hundred yards or more of blank rock, and then there's a tree line somewhere over there on that rock face would get woods ear And I'm noticing, just my naked eye, not binoculars or something, I'm noticing that there are at this distance and at this height and this far away look like stick figures moving past each other and around each other, maybe three or four of them, kind
of changing places. Just the black lines they looked like to me at that distance, and they're just moving over here over there. And I'm watching this, and I went out to my wife. I'm like, what is that. He's like, I don't know, and I'm like, it doesn't moving right, yeah, And I don't have any other explanation for what that could have been. Standing at thousands and thousands of feet height on a blank rock face that no farmer would have gotten to and certainly not four or five of
them moving around each other relatively near the free line of the woodline. It would be highly conceivable that was a visual big foo sighting of multiples in broad daylight. But I never got anything that enabled me to see close and see a tight zoom or anything like that. I couldn't give you anything else. And I saw the arms and the head and the legs. It wasn't like that were just kind of black stick figures. Issh moving. That's very interesting
because it sounds like you're talking about quite a distance. If it were a person, you probably wouldn't have even seen them because they would have been too small. Is that accurate? Right? And trees don't move? Yeah, last time I check, trees do not know. I've seen some videos online where people say the trees will move, but I haven't seen that myself. Unless they were filming and hr puffing stuff over there. There was no explanation
for why that was happening. You mentioned your wife a couple of times. Obviously she was with you for both of these incidents. Has she changed her mind about or opened up her mind to any of this big foot stuff since you've had these experiences. Where is she now versus even she used to be? Yes, I definitely and long ago because shortly after the Upstate New York
thing is when finding Bigfoot comes into my life. And I certainly made her watch many episodes with me that she's probably seen at least a half dozen or more episodes complete of that, she certainly heard me talking about this topic with many people, seen me reading many But I'm the guy who we'd be on vacation the Caribbean or something and laying next to her and she's reading like some
role man's novel like women normally might be reading. And I'm reading a book that actually says on the cover like the Bigfoot of Moss Canyon and there's people walking around the beach in a rub But what's wrong with this? It's really an embarrassing book cover to be for all that reading in some tropical resort place. She's been married to that guy for a while, so she's heard me turn to her and go listen, I gotta tell you what. The last
chapter I just read this fireman was walking in the woods in Oregon. And then so she's heard a million of these stories from me and is not at all like my father, where she just you know, closes her eyes to it and what am I talking about it? She, I would say, believes it. He's not radically into it. He's not like sitting down at DVR ing the same shows I'm DVR and she's not hosting her own podcast on the topic or asking to be on mine. But I would say that she
believes it. I think she would agree if she was sitting here on the show that what happened to was upstate was probably a big But I think she would agree that is the morphological assessment. Here's the rub for me. I am a skeptical person. I've had experiences myself that I can't explain through childhood and now throughout our time here on our forty acres in North Carolina. But
I have not seen a sasquatch. I have cast footprints, I think four different sets of footprints at this point, and seen all kinds of things. There's the Patterson Gimlin film, there's the Freeman footage, There's a couple of other things out there. There's the footprint evidence. I've had plenty of conversations with Jeff Meldrum. He'll convince you in one conversation that these things are real
just based on the footprints alone. Let me ask you, having not had a crystal clear close up class A siding, what have you looked at over the years that has convinced you beyond the shadow of a doubt that these things are real? Is it the Patterson Gimblin film, is it Freeman footage? Is it photographs? Is it the footprint evidence? What is it for you that has stuck out for you that has really solidified being a believer in Bigfoot
for you? The Patterson Gimblin thing, definitely, and the extense of studying that's been done on it in the recent years, Like there was some documentary that had muns really diving into it and frame by frame and it might have been a high check documentary I don't recall, but that one was very convincing. I think you could show that to almost any skeptic and have them on
board. All the eyewitness stories, whether it's on Monster Quest or Finding Bigfoot or any other similar show all the eyewitness stories, there's loads and loads are really compelling. One There's no other explanation for so many of the stories. We have to sit and listen to on these shows or read about in books. I agree that my story is not one of those it because, like you said, not class A. So I wouldn't put my incident in that
gap. But I would say that you and I both and anyone listening to the show has heard plenty of stories that are at the tier that I'm talking about. Absolutely, And I'll tell you one of the things that has convinced me over the years is having conversations with doctor Jeff Melodrome, talking to him about some of the things he has seen and taken a look at. As far as the footprint evidence with Barrickman. I took a picture of one of
the things that I didn't get to cast here on the property. It's one of the only footprints that I found that I wasn't able to cast because I didn't have material with me. It was raining, more rain was moving in. I hung out with Cliff and Idaho back over the summer and I handed my cell phone and said, just look at this picture and tell me what you think of it. And he said, that's a sasquatch footprint. Dude. Of course I didn't cast her, But you have conversations with people like
that because I doubt my own evidence. I doubt my own findings. I doubt my own experiences. It's difficult for me, but I too, like you, believe ideal in anecdotal experiences. That's all the show is about, is people's encounter experiences that they share. Over the years, I've heard so many compelling ones, and I say this all the time. If just one of them is true, right, if the person's not batshit crazy, they didn't make it up whole cloth, and they had the exact experience that they
say they had, then these things are real. I'm on the side of that. The Patterson Gimlin film. I was teetering on the air edge for a long time with whether the Patterson Gimlin film was possibly a hoax. And just over this past summer, I did a couple of shows and I did a breakdown of what Roger and Bob had to say during an interview right after, like I think it was five days afterwards. I got it from the
Sasquatch Archives and he allowed me to use that for the show. And I went back and listened to what they said five days afterwards, and then what Bob said back in twenty nineteen, and I compared the two, it's very close. There was a couple of things that were off, but in general, I think that film is probably one of the things that's put me over the edge of saying yeah. And then the Freeman footage. I don't know if you're familiar with that or not back in ninety two, but the Paul
Freeman footage is another thing that recently just solidified it for me. And I thought it was a hoax honestly, until I started having conversations with Paul's son, Michael. He just wrote a book this past year, the Freeman Files, And I sit down and talked to Michael, and he told me the story about his dad capturing that film and then coming home that afternoon and showing it to him and his buddies, and that was it for me. He
told me about the excitement. He knew his dad better than anybody, and I thought, who's going to hoax their twelve year old son, right, people don't do shit like that, like people try to hoax you or hoax me. But he didn't come home and try to hoax his son. So that sort of set me on the path of Okay, there's something to this. And then obviously my own experiences. Let's talk about some of the other weird experiences that people have shared with you. This comes up on the show
a lot with the high strangeness and the WU part of Bigfoot. How are you on the WU part of Are you open minded to some of these things being a little bit more than flesh and blood? Do you think there might be some aspect to the telepathic communication, the mind speak? Where are you on the high Strangers? I've tried to talk about this with Matt Moneymaker on my show a few times, and I've gotten him to go further agreeing to
that possibility than I ever would have expected i'd get him to. But I fall very much on the and this is going to piss off every pick for the listener, but I fall very much on the spectrum that it's really possible that we're not dealing with a regular blesh and blood creature, that we are
dealing with the alien creature. I tend to think that's really possible because of things like the Blue Planet Project pamphlet book that leaked out, where the US government is revealing in this leaked document all of the alien species that they know have visited Earth and where they're thought to be from, and what their agenda
appears to be. And one of the species in the book is called a waddig wad ig and the artist rendering of it is clearly a bigfoot, and the description says, you know, a wah dig, commonly referred to in popular human culture as a sasquatch or a bigfoot, is actually an alien creature. This is like an elite government document. There's been too many UFO incidents involving bigfoots where you have UFO landing and eyewitnesses scene before which come or go
from the UFO. There's been too many bigfoot incidents where a raised a camera to take a picture of a bigfoot and it in a flash disappeared, or a telepathically communicated with that rifle down. None of these are flesh and blood shouting things. The elusiveness, the fact that it's been so difficult to capture on camera or my rifle or in a cage points towards something superhuman. I'm no big foot Puristan this way to me, it's almost more likely than not
that we're dealing with something beyond regular flesh and blood. Really great at hiding American gorilla I say it all the time. I've always been open to that. I've always had everybody's experience, no matter what it is. I had a dude on the show a couple of months ago claimed to have sex with a female sasquatch. I aired a show. I sat on it for three months because I didn't think people was going to take it seriously. But it
was his experience. Whether it happened in his mind or it happened physically, I don't know. But I had that just a couple of weeks ago, and aired a episod of a lady Bridget who came on the show and she had a roadside crossing incident with a bigfoot. But she was on a track to intersect some gray aliens because she's a lifelong abductee. She said all kinds of alien experiences throughout her life, and she had this telepathic communication with this
bigfoot who basically was there to kill her. It was working for the aliens, so to speak. It was a long drawn out story, That's what I mean. There's so much crossover in this Bigfoot world with the UFO thing, and there's so many unexplainable moments in Bigfoot Lord, like I said, the guy who raises it the camera and he's about this nap picture when the bigfoot blinks out of existence. That's not the behavior of the North American wood
ape. It's beyond what would be the flesh and blood behavior stuff. Yeah, and it's hard to explain. And I used to say that those things were mutually exclusive. Oh you're having strange lights and you're seeing craft and you're seeing orbs, and you have bigfoot on your property. I used to separate those and say, oh, there's nothing to do with one or the other. You just haven't a whole bunch of weird shit go on. But over the years of doing this, I have said, and I've had Preston Dinnon
on the show a couple of times. He's a big UFO guy. Preston told me many times, Brian, everything's connected. And I just keep repeating that over and over because the weirder the stories get and the more I get into the subject, it seems like everything's inner weaves and connects for me in some way. I just don't know what that way is just yet. I had a UFO experience myself when I was like sixteen. Have you had other weird experiences, ghost UFOs, anything like that. Yeah, out of your
volksperience in La several years ago. I always when I tell this story, I always like to street map it for the listener, and they could shit with Google Maps and actually look at it through their own eyes. I actually see what I was seeing. So, for those of you playing along at home, I was riding on Victory Boulevard in La towards Van Nuys. I approached the corner of what would be Victory and Supplvita Boulevart. Catch up at home on your Google Maps right now on the street view of this with me.
Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. So I'm facing my cars facing eastbound on Victory at Sapulovda, and I'm just at the traffic light heading to Burbank or Shriman Oaks or something. I was going to a TV meeting or something and heading that way. It was a time of day where I don't want to be on the freeway, not because I'm scared of the freeway. There's times a day in La not to be on the freeway. I was sitting there and in broad day like crystal
clear afternoon. While I'm waiting at the traffic light, I can see in the sky directly straight in front of me do East looks like roughly over save Burdbank. I'm seeing little silver dot way up in the sky, just moving past each other, maybe a half dozen of them, changing positions, circling around each other. One's over here, the next one's over there. He comes in touch and touches that one. They move away. Looks like it's
way high. And they're not behaving like healingum balloons or something which wouldn't be under control. They would just be you know, lifting or blowing in the wind in an angle. These are changing position, moving all the way to the left, then changing this one. That one'sziggs to the right and goes past this one, and just dancing around each other. And I'm thinking,
what the heck is that? And it was so captivating in this two three minute traffic light cycle that I decided to make a right and I pulled my car onto Pulvida. There's like a paint store, like a place that sells like Benjamin paints for your half. And I pulled my car through the right and pulled them to the parking lot in front of that paint store. So the guy who's still playing along with street View has just made this right ur
and he sees on his right here coming up any second. I was going to be like a paint place, dune paints, whatever the paint companies are called. And I pull up in that parking lot, and I parked my car, still facing east to keep watching this. So the I'm not in Traft and I continue to watch just another five minutes. I call my wife if I tell her what I'm watching. And I realized this point I need
to keep driving on. I'm going to be late for my meeting. So I decide I'm heading east anyway, so I'll just feeble to keep my eyes on this while I'm going to continue east. So I get back on the road and continue east. And then as soon as I was like a block or two past that spot, I don't know if they were gone, or I just I couldn't get the angle right again, or it's just difficult to
see as the trees keep coming up as you drive. Just for whatever reason, it wasn't more than a couple of blocks later that I was like, where are I just couldn't lay my eyes on it. After that, I went on YouTube and I typed in descriptions things that sound like what I'm describing, like little silver stapes changing at very hot, extraordinary height and moving past each other. And there were numerous UFO videos that looked just like what I
had just seen. They weren't from Los Angeles that afternoon, they were from all over the globe. But I was seeing in these people's YouTube videos was exactly what I just saw. That's crazy, man, I've seen some wild stuff. When I was up on the expedition in Canada back in October,
we watched crazy lights for two hours. They were way up there, but they were doing some things that just defied gravity, stopping just right in the middle of the sky and making a ninety degree left hand turn at probably two thousand miles an hour. It was the crazy shit I've ever seen in my life. Man. My wife had a UFO, like a black triangular UFO, fly very low over her car on the way home from somewhere in La one time when she was on the freeway like not like at two in the
morning, either six at night, like with many people around. She had a black that was our military craft that looks like those UFOs seventy one. Yeah, yeah, she said, like a ufother looked like that, come pretty silently, pretty low over the freeway over her and hang around and leave
while she was driving off from work one time. Are there any crazy celebrity stories that you haven't already told us about that it's stuck out to you, whether it be bigfoot, UFOs, alien abductions, whatever the case may be, that it's out to you as I don't want to say favorite, but has really impacted you or stuck out to you in one way or the other. On the show, I didn't get into as much detail with him as
I could ever should have because he seemed really serious. But Shadows Stevens insisted that he worked for a family he believed he now believes we're alien as a teenager living in like North Dakota, wherever he lived, he worked for family the Coneheads like where he believes they're an alien family. That was and he went into a little bit of detail about that. He believes you worked for a family of alien. It was something I should have explored more deeply with
him. But Catherine Boch Daisy Duke had a story of a dead person that called her on the phone, someone that she knew who had died a friend or whatever that called her like a month later or whatever that she answered the phone and it was him calling and he was not a lot. She spoke to him for a little bit. That is wild. We've talked a lot about it. Tell everybody, hey, let's talk about where they can find
monstrosity. When do you post shows? What can they find when they get over there and take a listen to post shows about once a month right now to find the brand new episode that just went up with Kelly who from Scorpion King the Beautiful Instants and Sorceress from The Scorpion King with the Rock. She's also Death Strike and X two with Hugh Jackman, and more importantly, probably most importantly to me, he's former Miss Hawaii. Anyway, she's on the
latest episode. And I like to write game shows into my show because a lot of times the celebrity is on and then like we're going to be talking to Bill Burns from Ancient Aliens or something in a few minutes, so to transition from Daisy Duke or Peter Brady from the Brady Bunch over to the UFO guys, quite a train wreck unless I find a way to smoothly make that
book. So a lot of times I'll write a game show into the episode, a paranormal game show for the celebrity to play, which does a fun kind of paranormal game show for them to play that transitions us towards and now we're going to talk to such and such from ghost Hunters or what it? And with Kelly Who on the most recent episode, we played a game called
who What Where? And the premise of the game was basically, I would ask her if she were snorkeling in Lockedness where there's obviously a Lockness monster, what would Kelly who where? You know? If she were alone in the woods with a group of good looking bigfoots, what would Kelly who where?
Now this game show, which is on the latest episode of Monstrosity, which you can find on all the podcast platforms, you'd think you'd find that on on this episode when she plays that game, be just like Jodie Sweeten from Full House before her, and just like Kanya Raymond from Billy Bob Thornton's Goliath before her, All three of them somehow inadvertently found themselves revealing that they would have sex with the Bigfoot. So I don't know if these women are coming
on trying to ruin their careers. I don't know if the goal is to end their careers and one false sloop on my show. Somehow, I've got the girl from Full House discussing having second with the big Foot and in the latest episode, Kelly who from the Scorpion King doing the same thing. Wow, what a way to end it. I will link to Monstrosity in the show notes. You guys go over and check it out. Show David Ray some love, David. I've had a blast talking to you man. I
really appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks for a lot of fund