Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting? We got some wonder or
something crawling around out here? Did you see what it was or was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get the boddy out here, Boquin, I'm out there. I thought of a bitch of about TIX fort nine. I don't know. Easy ann out there. Yeah, I'm booking right head. I am Brian king Sharp. I'm the host of the sasquatch Otyseee podcast and other podcasts.
I got into Bigfoot because it was a childhood thing. I grew up in the North Georgia Mountains and I heard stories from people in my family, people around that area that had experienced something that they couldn't explain with They've called them harry Man, Boogers, Sasquatch, and Bigfoot wasn't really in the nomenclature there at the time. I grew up with those stories and I was very interested
in cryptid's. A blocknest monster was something that always fascinated me, and I had an experience when I was twelve that I believe could have been related to Sasquatch. Now looking back on it, I think I might have been paste out of the woods and bluff charged by one of these things that sort of sparked the interest for me. I grew up and started a career in law enforcement, and you don't really talk about cryptids. You don't talk about UFOs,
you don't talk about strange things when you're a police officers. For about sixteen years in law enforcement, I suppressed that I had a UFO experience with my mom when I was sixteen. We saw a huge craft above us, six eight hundred feet away from us. There was no mistaking that it was something that wasn't supposed to be there. But you don't talk about those things, obviously, is in your law enforcement career. At least I didn't talk
about it. So I suppressed that, and then later in life, I left law enforcement and took a different career path, and now I podcast full time and do an Encounters show where I document bigfoot encounters. It's been an interesting ride, for sure, but that's really what started the interest from me was hearing those stories as a kid in the area and then having my own
experience when I was twelve. Why don't you tell me in detail the experience you had when you were twelve, I was basically out in the woods. We were very poor when I was growing up, so we didn't own our own place, but we rented a tiny house. The town I lived in at the time had literally one stop. It was very tiny, very low population, rural area. We had a lot of fields in the area that
the guy that owned our house on those fields. So I had carte blanche to go out and just roam this area, and I did that quite often. I fancied myself a little bit of a squirrel hunter, and I would take my little bb gun, my pellet rifle, whatever I could get my hands on and go out and hunt birds and squirrels and that kind of thing. And I did that one summer It was the summer. I was twelve. I think school had just got out. I was out in the woods
and I'm walking along. I start hearing these strange sounds that sounded like bipedal footsteps, and I got this really weird feeling that if you document enough sasquatching counter stories you hear people talk about it's that feeling of For me, it was the hair standing up on the back of my neck, the hair was standing up on my arms, and I just got this feeling. I was frozen. I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there. I felt like
it was time for me to be somewhere else. But my feet literally would not work. I was petrified. Then I hear these hoofs and these gruffs and these growls, and what sounds like a linebacker's coming maybe twenty feet away
through the underbrush, in the thick scrub that I couldn't see through. If anybody's been to North Georgia, I live in North Carolina now, and if you've ever been out in the woods in those areas, you know that, especially in the summertime, you can't see five feet in front of you in some places. This thing was literally on just on the outskirts of my field
of view, and it sounded just like in retrospect. I didn't know anything about it then, but when I started doing some research and looking into it, it sounded exactly like what you would imagine a large silver backed gorilla charging at somebody through the underbrush in the North Georgia Mountains. That's what it sounded like. I didn't stick around after that. I was able to overcome the fear. Something kicked in my lizard brain and fight or flight k in and
it became flight. At that point, I turned around, ran the six to eight hundred yards back to the house. I jumped over the fence and landed it in my yard, and it was okay, I'm safe now. I didn't tell anybody. I went inside. My mom was in the house at the time. I didn't tell anybody what had happened. I didn't know what to tell. What do you say? She was going to tell me it was probably a cow or it was a deer it was so I just
kept it to myself for the longest time. I don't think I told my mom about that until a couple of years ago, that I'd had that kind of experience. I've never said it's bigfoot. I never will say it was a sasquatch because I didn't see what did it. It's just the culmination of the hundreds of stories that I've now documented on my show and the people that
I've talked to that have had similar experiences. We either experienced exactly the same thing that was a completely normal animal, or we experienced something that may have been something else, like a sasquatch. We were going through a lot of weird stuff in the house. There was like some demonic activity going on. There had been some people who had lived in the house that were doing some demonic seances and things like that going on in the house, and I was
experiencing a lot of that as a kid's hearing voices in the house. It's really weird things. My dad was having experiences that I found out about later where he was hearing and experiencing some of the same things I was experiencing. And later on I was a guest on a show a couple of years ago, maybe three years ago now, and the host of that show was into that sort of demonic kind of thing. He said to me, interestingly, do you think it could have been something that maybe followed you out of the
house. If you believe in that sort of thing at all, Maybe it was this demonic entity that was in the woods that you experienced in not a sasquatch because you didn't see it. I'm the kind of guy that I've got to be open minded to that. Again, I can't say definitively what it was. I know something happened. I definitely experienced it. It didn't happen in my mind. It was a real thing that happened to me. I just don't know what it was. I say it sasquatch, could have been
something else. I don't know. People do talk about entities and beings and such following them home, So I suppose that couldn't happen where you take something out in the woods with you and it does respond. And that's interesting because I haven't heard it from that perspective before. Yeah, that was the first time I'd ever even considered that as an option. I was stunned when he said it to me on the show. I didn't really know how to respond.
My answer was very much like it is now three years later. I have to consider that as a possibility because anybody who listens to my show or anybody who has seen me speak at a conference or has met me at a conference, they know him very skeptical. I come at this from a very Oham's razor sort of approach. I try to take the most logical explanation for whatever's happening, whether it's my own experiences or the people that I talked to,
and they share their experiences with me. I filter everything through that same lens. Sixteen years as a cop, you's developed those kind of skills and it's very difficult to change that. And I was always that sort of person anyway, So the law enforcement training and experience just drilled that home for me. I'm very skeptical when it comes to anything people say to me all the time. You're skeptical to a fault, But I do believe that these things
exist. I'm just not completely convinced that everybody is experiencing sasquatch when they have their encounters. I'm skeptical. I believe that there is a possibility that the majority of the people I talk to have those kind of experiences, and it is with the Sasquatch, But I always leave that little bit of room for doubt. We have forty acres here in North Carolina, and we've heard vocalizations, strange sounds outside, And I have casted footprints several times on the property
that I've found that I believe are probably Sasquatch. There's no other explanation for how they got on my property in the places that they were. I've casted prints on my neighbor's property three quarters of a mile away from my house. But I'm still skeptical about my own evidence. Right, I put it out there for people. I let people take what they want, they leave the
rest. I never definitively say that anything I've casted as a sasquatch footprint, even though it's fifteen inches long and seven and a half eight inches wide, and it's got five toes and it looks like a stereotypical sasquatch print. But I just never say anything definitively about it because I haven't seen the creature. I haven't seen one. I haven't seen anything obviously leave the footprints that I've cast it on the property. So I'm skeptical. But I believe if that
makes any sense, I guess that those things can exist simultaneously. Interesting in for thought that we do give more credibility to a visual sighting as opposed to a vocalization because we can see it. And then we give even more credibility when there's print or a footprint, because that's something real physical evidence of something. But if you look at poltergeist types of experiences, I don't really call things to money, but a hunting kind of experience is we can't have vocalizations.
We can hear something, we can see something as well as things can move around or there can be some physical activity. But I hadn't really associated that with these various types of bigfoot evidence. Yeah, And the one thing that's happened to me recently, I went up to Radium BC candidate. I went out on a week long expedition with controversial figure Todd Standing. I was up there the first week of October, and we had a ton of experiences
that I can't explain. We had rocks thrown at us, I heard vocalizations. I believe on a couple of occasions, I interacted with what I believed to be a sasquatch doing wood Knox. I can't explain that any other way. I brought that back and I just put it out there for people to digest. I've put probably eight or ten hours worth of audio that I recorded out so far. With us talking around the campfire. You hear these things
happening. You can literally hear the rocks hitting this camper that was twenty feet behind us, and there's nobody else out there. Even those experiences that I was there for, I go back and I say, is it possible there was a person out there. No, there's nothing out there but thousands of acres of woods around us. We are literally in the middle of nowhere. We were eighteen miles back off of a logging road. There's nobody back there
throwing rocks at the camper. The people that were sitting around the campfire when I was recording the audio and talking to these people were the only ones within at least eighteen miles that I know of. But it's interesting that you say that, because I do that in my own show in the people that I
talked to. I started my show specifically to document encounters with Bigfoot. Wanted to talk to people who had seen these things, and I wanted to gather as much data, particularly in the Southeastern United States, where I am born and raised and still live, because when I was a kid. Like most people. You hear about Sasquatch possibly being out in the Pacific Northwest in California Bluff Creek, where the Patterson Gimlin film was filmed, but never on the
East Coast. I've even had conversations with the late Peter Burn. I think I was the last person to do a podcast interview with Peter Burn, one of the four Horsemen of Sasquatch, and Peter and I disagreed about that because he didn't believe that Sasquatch has or ever existed east of the Rockies. I wanted to document as much of that as I could. I guess it was
my way of trying to validate my own experiences in some way. I want to talk to other people that live in this area so I can say, yeah, if that happened to them, then it possibly happened to me. And the more people that I talked to, they were having experiences and anegnotalent. Accounts are what they are. You've had some really wild stories on the show that people have had tons of experiences. You meet those people and you
interview people who have had multiple encounters. Some have claimed ten twenty encounters with these things where some wild things are happening during their experiences. But if there is physical evidence, it's one of the things I always ask for, is a photograph. If you have a habituation situation and you're interacting with this clan of sasquatch that you've been interacting with for twenty years, then there should be
some evidence there. There should be a way that you can take a photograph or a video, or there's audio of the vocalizations some people claim to talk to these things. The disappointing thing for me in a lot of these cases is it seems the more out there they are, the more wild the encounters, the multiple times they're interacting with them, the less evidence is out there. Interviews like I've done over just the last couple of weeks, it's a
haphazard encounter. You're on the bank fishing, or you're in your boat fishing and you see this thing walk across the bank, you walk over there, or you take your boat over there, and there's a footprint left behind. So the physical evidence certainly adds that other level of credibility to me, but there's not a lot of it there. I just finished the manuscript from my book this past week, and I've devoted an entire chapter to evidence. What
evidence is out there? What constitutes evidence? I think that's a lot of what I've run into with skeptical people in the Bigfoot community is they say that anecdotal experiences aren't evidence, but they are. This testimony in a court of law convicts people all the time. And I've named the chapter can we convict Sasquatch? And a court of law? Let me lay out the case for you and see what you think. If you're on the jury, Can we
convict Sasquatch of being real? I try to lay out that evidence. A lot of that is physical evidence, but the majority of it is anecdotal. That's really what it boils down to. There are thousands of anecdotal accounts of these things throughout history. That's what my entire show is about. There are other podcasts out there who have thousands of episodes of people sharing their encounters. I think we have to take that in account, and I certainly do.
I put a lot of weight behind the people who come on and share their stories. Some of them are fantastical and some of them are just mundane things that they're doing in the woods, like I was doing, and they have an experience like that. I don't know. I think I went on a tangent there. I think I answered your question and then went way beyond that. I have to agree with you, and I haven't been out this probably as long as you have, But in all of the interviews I've done,
I can't imagine all of these people just making this up. They seem credible, believable. There's an emotional element to some of their experiences that just really lay it out as a truthful experience for them anyway, And I think that's what it really boils down to. For me on my show, I've wrestled with some of the episodes that I've put out with some really wild stories that
people have told me because they are so fantastical. I have come to the conclusion that eventually I will put some of those out that I've held onto for months in some cases because they are so fantastical. But at the end of the day, everybody's experience is their experience. Time passes. Do I remember my own experience exactly how it happened when I was twelve years old? That happened a long time ago. Do I get some of the details wrong.
Did I feel exactly what I felt then or is that something that's been imposed as I've gathered information over the years. That's another thing I talk about in the book is Bigfoot in the pop culture zeitgeist. We're constantly inundated with people's stories. I go into the psychological reasons and how that affects people when you're constantly being immersed in that community, and I think a lot of that happens.
I think there's Bigfoot contagion that can happen. I don't believe in the mass of hallucinations as something else I address in the book, because a lot of skeptical people think that Bigfoot is just some big mass hallucination that everybody who says they have a sasquatch sighting is hallucinating the exact same thing with people they've
never met, hundreds of miles away, decades apart. I don't buy into that, but I think there is something too people being inundated with Bigfoot stuff all the time, and podcast are one of those things that do that. My show contributes to that in a lot of ways. Finding Bigfoot Expedition, Bigfoot, all the shows that you can hear and watch and be a part of exposes people to that, and I think in some way people want to
be involved in that. I say it a lot on the show. I've met so many fantastic people that I now call friends that I would have never met had it not been for Bigfoot or the subject of Bigfoot. It's a community. Sometimes we eat our own Sometimes the community is not great, but it's just like any other community that you get involved in. I think a lot of people want to be a part of that. In some way. For a lot of people, that becomes the experiences. I think that's why
some people make up their experiences. I think we have to be intellectually honest as researchers and people that are investigating this and really want to find answers to the phenomenon. I think we have to be honest about all the possible aspects of it. There's certainly mental health stuff out there. I address that some in the book as well and talk a little bit about so in the mental health stuff that goes on, we have to realize and understand that evidence is
hoaxed. That's a huge thing nowadays with the artificial intelligence and the people are creating it's very difficult to really vet some of these deep fakes that people are creating, and it's just making it really difficult. People like I consider myself a serious researcher investigator and really trying to get to answers in the subject.
All of those layers makes it very difficult. Anytime somebody makes up a story about an account or creates a hoax, whether it be a video, even if it's something like the train video that came out a couple of months back.
People started sending that to me and immediately I said, that's clearly a man in a suit my opinion, of course, And it eventually came out it was a hoaxed video that whoever made the suit or whatever had put out to drum up whatever they were trying to drum up for people to buy the suits. But I think that kind of stuff sets us back so far when we're really trying to get answers, because there's a lot of evidence out there.
I've talked to people. I've talked to Cliff Barrickman. Cliff's a friend of mine and he runs the North American big Foot Center in Boring, Oregon, and people have brought trail cam videos and things on their phone to Cliff and he's wholly smoke. That is a clear image of a sasquatch that people will never see because there is so much of the negative aspect of bringing evidence
forward and people just don't want to be involved in that. Unfortunately. I think there's a lot of it that's out there that we'll never see because of some of the hopes and the faker ye and the other things that go on in the big book. That's true, there's a lot of it out there.
And I also saw the trend video and I'm like you, I felt like it was obvious that it wasn't a real see and it is unfortunate that we don't get to see the ones that are better or clearer or maybe more obvious that they are real, because those I think would be more credible. Also something else who touched on, I think it is more popular. It's a trendy subject right now because of all the shows, the podcast and everyone's jumping on board, the conferences. Everything is just coming forward with it.
Not that I mind that it's a good trendy subject perhaps, but I think that opens the door for a lot of people to jump on board in hopes things and bringing it forth non credible evidence sometimes because they want to be part of that trend as well. And stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. It's exactly like you said, I think
a lot of people are looking to capitalize on it. And that's a touchy subject that I deal with often because I started my podcast Sasquatch Odyssey started in February of twenty twenty one. By March, i'd left my full time job as a retail manager. I was running a super hub for a autoparts manufacturer here in North Carolina, and I left that to do this full time. So I make money off of my podcast. It is my full time job. And there is a sort of a disconnect with a lot of people in
the community. And I'm sure you've even dealt with that. If you monetize your YouTube channel, there's a lot of people in the community who look down on you and say you're taking advantage of bigfoot and you're exploiting the subject,
and it's the complete opposite for me. Anybody who knows me, or has been on my show, or has had anything to do with me, knows how passionate I am about the subject and wanting to find answers for myself and then just for everybody else if I have something I know about the subject or can share. That's one of the reasons I just finished the book is to be able to share my little nuggets of what I've learned from interviewing probably five
hundred plus people at this point for the show. Putting that out there in the zeit guys for maybe people to learn from just the back and forth in the community. A lot of times. That's why I said earlier, we eat our own in a way, because people will look down on you if you write a book you're trying to exploit the subject. Or if you do a bigfoot show documentary and you get paid for it, you're exploiting the subject.
It's the complete opposite. For me. I love my job. I do something that I wake up every day and I can't wait to start working on the show because it's the best thing that I've ever done. I have the best of both worlds because I can work in a subject that I am
passionate about and I can pay the bill at the same time. Again, it's one of those things, but you do have nefarious people out there who are doing things that are just wanting to capitalize and go viral and make a ten thousand bucks or whatever of the course of a week with a hoax or whatever the motivation is. It's a double edged sword because as the subject continues to grow in popularity, you're going to have those people that look at that
and say, how can I get a piece of the pie. Then that's when you get those folks that come in and do the major hoaxes. And again, I have a chapter dedicated to known hoaxes in the Bigfoot community. But then there is a lot of evidence out there that people are still debating. The clear videos. Todd Standing is one of those people that has clear HD quality video that you're either in one camp or the other. You say, I say it's fake. For every person who say they're fake, there's
ten other people who say it's absolutely genuine and legit. But we're still talking and debating the Patterson Gimlin film from nineteen sixty seven. We're still talking about and debating whether the Sierra Sounds are legitimate. I've talked to Roan plenty of I think they are, and he has hours of stuff that people have never heard, and we may never hear it. I don't think Ron really knows
what to do with it, but he has it. I wish that we could dive into that and maybe take a look at some of the things that people have never heard, and maybe learn even more from it, because everybody's used to that. You look on YouTube and do the Siero salogy, you get like four minutes. There's tons more. There's literally hours of the stuff that nobody has ever heard. It's really difficult to even look at the evidence. Again. It goes back to whether it's fake or not. AI these
hoaxes. I wish the people that have evidence that haven't put it out there for people would go through some channels and put out some of the trail cam videos, some of the trail cam photos that I know are out there. I think there's some smoking guns out there, but I just don't know that we'll ever see it because of the saturation of hoaxes and just the debate.
I've taken some footcastings recently on the property, maybe two months ago, and I haven't put out any photos of them, and may not because they turned out so good. They look like some of the best print cast that you'll ever see, and when people see those, they automatically assume that it's a
hoax. You know. I've had that conversation with Cliff. I was on Cliff and Bubbo Show a couple of months back, and that's one of the things Cliff and I talked about on the show, was saying, if you're casting everything, you're finding most of your casts are going to look like crap, and most of mine do. I probably got four sets of cast and three of them look like crap, and then this one set because of whatever this was where it stepped. I got four inch impressions and I was able
to pour the plaster perfectly. Got great casts. But I'm not going to put it out there, at least not now, because the first thing people say is it's a hoax, and I just don't feel like dealing with that. I don't have time to deal with that, really, because I know it's not a hoax, and I have the evidence here. I'd like to share it with other people, but then you get into that. Like I said, Bob Gimlin's been dealing with that since nineteen sixty seven. Ron Moorehead
has been dealing with since the seventies when they captured the Sierra Sounds. I think it's going to be something that continues to happen in Bigfoot. I think it's going to take a body. I think somebody's going to have to bring one of these things in. I don't certainly advocate shooting or killing anything, but I think that's ultimately what it's going to take. DNA is something that's really out there at this point. Darby Orcutt is doing his study up here
in my home state at UNC Chapel up Heel. I believe I've talked to Darby about that. It's interesting to me. I just had a kid on from the UK last week. It's fourteen years old cryptozoologist named Daniel doing his thing over in the UK, and he picked up some DNA and a footprint casting that he did, sent it off and it came back with Old World Monkey DNA and Great Ape DNA. We just had a meeting about it on Zoom a couple of days ago, having the conversation about what does that mean.
What's the next step. Is DNA the thing that's going to solve this? I personally don't think so. Doug Hichek is working on Legend Meat Science too. I'm supposed to be doing an interview for that in the next couple of weeks. I know they're testing a lot of DNA during that they're going to have some, hopefully some interesting results. Linda, you've talked to a lot of people. What do you think about DNA. Do you think DNA is going to get it done? Or do you think it's going to take
a body? What do you see solving the mystery? I think, of course the body obviously would be the ultimate thing, but I think that's going
to be a hard thing to do. The DNA. I think if there are enough samples across country or maybe even worldly that can begin to show some similarities, and you have some credible people collecting it, there might be some I don't know that it's going to be enough evidence to convince the powers of be that they could actually but I think it's good enough for us to say, Okay, this is something that we can begin to use as a standard, and right now we don't have DNA standard to be able to really judge
other DNA samples by I think you're right. I have not had Darby Orcutt on the show. I actually talked to him when I was at a conference a couple of months back in the summer. That's one of the things that I really wanted to get into with him. I've had the conversation since about I was under the impression that you had to have something to compare it to. But DNA has evolved in advanced to the point where they can sequence with a very small amount of DNA, even e DNA to some extent, they
can do this with. So I'm excited about the DNA thing. I just think it's going to be very difficult because again, you get into a lot of issues. We've had some infamous DNA studies in the past, ten twelve years ago it did not turn out so well. I think a lot of people are gunshy when it comes to that, and then there's questionable tactics with getting the samples. There's a ton of stuff that you have to go through to collect samples, and it's not as simple and as easy as a lot
of people think it is. But I think that it's great that citizen scientists are out there doing things in the woods and trying to at least capture some thing, whether it be Hayre maybe some skin sales or something left behind. I don't know. I think it's great that people are out there doing that.
I just I don't think it's going to be enough. I think somebody is going to have to either bring one of these things in or That's one of the things I talked to some folks at the North American wood A Conservancy out of Area X recently. I had a couple of those guys back to back on the show, and Daryl Collier and some of them I've talked about. Their mission or part of their mission has always been to collect a specimen. They continue to do that to this day, yet they're transitioning. At
least Daryl was. He doesn't take a rifle out anymore. He's got a really good camera set up and he's really trying to get HD quality video of
these creatures. And he really feels if they do that over a long period of time and establish enough, get videos of individuals that are distinct, and you're able to say, Okay, that's Sally or whoever that is over the course of weeks or months or even years, that may be enough evidence for some people that at least they're in that area and it is a sasquatch again, I don't know. I think it's cool that people are doing that kind of stuff, and at least they're trying. I'm at the point where I
really want to know definitively that these things are. Maybe what I experienced when I was twelve was a sasquatch, and then it would be great to know that all the people that I'm talking to on the show are having these experience with an undocumented relic Tom Annoyd of some sort that's walking around in North Amyeric. It's a fascinating subject. That's what keeps me coming back. I love
talking to people about it. Like I said, I've met lifelong friends because of Bigfoot, and I meet interesting people every single day as a part of my job, as do you. I'm sure you do these interviews just as God do. So. Yes, lots of fascinating interviews, and I learned something from every one of them. One of the thoughts this surprised me when I began doing the interviews. In my mind, it was just strictly a flesh and blood out here in the woods and didn't really know a great deal
about Bigfoot at all. It was surprising to me when I started hearing things about them being part of maybe the fairy world, or they were coming through portals or turning into orbits of light. I just found that a very fantastic way of looking at Bigfoot. That of course complicates the whole subject matter if there's something odd about Bigfoot in that nature, because the flesh and blood characteristics may be very difficult to define. I was going back and remastering an old
episode because i'd had a guy on like episode nine of my show. It was in early March of twenty twenty one when I did his first interview. I was remastering that audio and putting it out because I just had Mike back on his show's going to air as we record this. It's going to be in a couple of days on Friday, because he's had other experiences since then in the couple of years it's been since I interviewed him the first time,
so he came back to talk about those. I thought it would be cool to go back and remaster that and put that back out for the folks that may have not heard it. Back when I was doing the first ten episodes, we talked about that, we got into the orb thing, but it seems like it was more common back then than it is today. But there are some really strange experiences people have with the orbs and the lights and seeing what could be alien craft, possibly before, during, and after in some
cases a sasquatch experience. It's one of the things I talked to Stan Gordon Stands, a pretty prolific UFO and bigfoot investigator from Pennsylvania. If you've ever seen a UFO documentary on Kesburg or anything like that, I'm sure you've seen Stan Gordon or heard him talk about the subject. I had stand on the
show a couple of years ago. It's one of the things we got into that big flap in seventy three to seventy four in that area where people were having these weird experiences with UFOs and sasquatch, sometimes at the same time. Literally they're seeing craft look like they're landing in the fields, are having these bigfoot sasquatch like creatures on the property almost simultaneously in a lot of cases, and I used to completely separate the two. I used to say, Oh,
that's weird. I would stick to the bigfoot, where I would say, oh, that's weird that you saw those lights and then you're having these wooden knocks, and then that you see the sasquatch. But they've got to be mutually exclusive. I don't think they had anything to do with each other.
It's just weird that you're having all these experiences on your property. And it tended to be more again with some of the people that weren't necessarily having habituation situations, like a Janis Carter fifty years or Bigfoot kind of thing, or maybe even an area X would be considered a habituation site where these things are constantly there and you're constantly having interactions with them, But it tended to be more so like a gentleman I talked to in North Carolina who lived around
the U or a national forest who had these things on his property all the time. In his words, he was seeing them, his kids were seeing them, his wife was seeing them to the point where they were ready to move. And I've documented other cases like that. So they weren't habituating them, but they were there a lot. And it seemed like those cases were the ones that seemed to have some of the weirder things going on in conjunction with, or at least in and around the sidings or before ask the people.
I'd say to Bobby, hey man, when are the lights happening? Are you seeing those more with the bigfoot stuff? Explain that. His answer was, we don't see the lights, and we don't see what looked like the craft. If we're not having sasquatch activity, it's hard to separate that at that point. So it's very difficult for me. Again, I've had a UFO experience. I saw it, and I believe that they exist. But do I think they have anything to do with Bigfoot. That's solete from
me, and it sounds strange and almost hypocritical to say. I guess. I believe in Bigfoot and I believe in aliens. I just don't believe that they could co mingle. Who knows. Maybe they do, Maybe there's more to it than I know, But I think the woop part of it, that's another thing I address in the book. I don't exclude that on my show. I don't exclude people's experiences, no matter how WU or high strangeness
it may be. It is your experience, and I listen, I take it all in, but I think the WU for Bigfoot or the high strangeness in Bigfoot. At some point, we have to separate that for it to be taken seriously in the scientific community. Because I've had conversations with Jeff Meldrum. You can't have a wu conversation with Jeff. He's not going to talk about that because he's a scientist. Other scientists are the same way. If
they think these things exist. And if a scientist is willing to take a look at the bigfoot subject at all, they're going to approach it from a very flesh and blood scientific It's got to be some sort of a relictominoid. It's got to be an ape of some sort. So I think we can have that comingle for investigators like me or people who research this or into the
subject. You can take all that stuff, even mix it together sometimes, But I think in order for it to be taken seriously in us to get real science behind it, I think you have to separate the two at some point, and a lot of people have a hard time doing that. I think that's one of the reasons that some people have a hard time taking it seriously because it's the old joke. I grew up with the National Inquirer. When I'd go through the supermarket, and I remember seeing pictures of Bigfoot with
a UFO on top of the light coming down. People wear those T shirts all the time. We have a T shirt through our store. Is that very image. It's almost become a cliche and a joke to talk about that. I think if you take the subject seriously, you have to look at it. You can't have a conversation. I know you've had conversations with Ron Moorehead. You can't have a conversation with person like Ron and not get into that because he believes there's a whole lot more to everything than what we believe
or what we know. I think you have to be open to it. But I think at some point you have to separate the wheat from the chaff and just say the high strangeness is something people are experiencing, but we have to look at this from a flesh and blood point of view to really get science involved and maybe to push the ball down the field as far as the
research is concerned, I have to agree. I think with science it's going to have to be something that they within their scientific realm, that they can actually put into a pattern or a test form where they can actually get some evidence. However, if Sasquatch doesn't fit into our scientific, knowledgeable realm at
this point, we may never get any evidence. So we also, I think, have to scientifically take our science into a place that we may never have been before, if, by chance, there is something there that's not known. That's why I keep my mind open to any of the high strangeness. I spend time in the woods with somebody like Todd Standing and his research partner Ashley. They believe they mind speak with they think they have a telepathic
communication with sasquatch. I've interviewed people like less Stroud survivor Man, and he has had a couple of experiences where he believes that he's had a telepathic communication with a sasquatch in the woods. I don't know what you do with that. I've never had that experience. I've been around people when they claim to have had those experiences in real time, and again I'm not saying that that's
not your experience. I'm not trying to negate your experience. It's just difficult for someone like me and most people, if we're being honest, to wrap your brain around that. But I think that has taught me. You have to do that in this kind of research, I have to be open minded enough to say there is a possibility, because what do I know. Sasquatch could totally be telepathic, they could be shape shifters, they could cloak, they could do all the things that people have claimed to see them do.
Again, I say it often, it only takes one person to have that experience and it be real. Because anecdotal experiences, I've put them into categories. For me, it helps me compartmentalize, It helps me keep it together when I'm doing all these interviews. I think it comes down to simple human nature. I think it's like this for most people's stories and most things that people share with other people. Ay, everything they tell you is one hundred
percent real. They experienced it exactly like they said they did, and it really happened the way that they said and they saw what they saw. If that's the case, then that means Sasquatch is one hundred percent real and everybody who has those kind of experiences did see a sasquatch case closed, then I think there are other people that have misidentifications. I think they probably experience exactly what they say they experience. Like me, I experienced something in the woods.
I can't explain. It was very scary to me. I will never forget it. It literally changed my life. I didn't see what it was, so it could have been anything. Doesn't necessarily mean it sasquatch, but I had that experience. Then you have people who make up their stories one hundred percent whole cloth. They make it up from beginning to end. Nothing they say happened. They're doing it for attention, whatever they're reasoning. They
just make it up completely. Or you have those people who it happens in their mind. I think we've all probably had those conversations with people I know. As a police officer, I went on many nine one one calls and people had experiences where they were having some sort of a mental breakdown or they were having some sort of mental health issues. They completely believed that they were being chased by people in their home when the doors were locked and they were
the only people there. But that really was happening in their minds. They didn't make anything up. It was real to them as it could possibly be. It was just some sort of a mental health issue. And then I think you have that category. It could be a combination of all of those things, right, it's a lot to sift through, especially for people who do interviews and document the way that I do. It's difficult to sift through it. But I think you just keep an open mind and talk to as
many people. But it only takes one of those stories, no matter what it is. If one of those stories is true, and those persons that tells that story, whoever that might be, he or she, if they really had that experience, then Sasquatch are one hundred percent real, and that opens the door to maybe everybody who has an experience and shares it experienced exactly
what they said. And if that's the case, some of those fantastical stories with the orbs and the lights and even seeing Bigfoot come out of craft go on to and off of what looks to be extraterrestrial craft, all those stories could be true at the same time. And stay tuned for more Sasquatch ott
to see. We'll be right back after these messages. Since I haven't had any experience with Bigfoot at all, you just have to take people's work for it, and you always have to put that in some corner of your mind
that you're not sure it's their experience to not mine. But I think for any of us, before we can concretely say that we honestly believe in something we do often have to have an experience with it or have enough confidence in that it is a general consensus of people that this is a true thing.
We're not there yet with Bigfoot. Most of the people I talk to, not on interviews, but most of the people I just talked to in the general public have no concept that we could exist, and presume that it's just a joke, it's not really real. Then I start interviewing people on the show, I realize that they're very sincere. I don't believe you're making up your story. I believe you heard something, and I believe people see something,
even the unusual stories. Lights and orbs, and definitely people see orbs. That's just straight across the board, whether it's a Bigfoot related or for me want people do see these things out in the woods, especially, it seems there's a lot of that type of light phenomena that's happening. May or
may not be related to Bickfoot whatsoever. I'm not sure about that, but I've never seen an orb either, but I do believe they exist, and I believe that there's probably some flesh and blood creature out there that's like a big but because I've just interviewed too many people and so have you there. Yeah, that's exactly where I come down when I finished the book. That was one of the last portions of the book is the truth behind the legend
and what does that mean. I don't think anybody really knows what the truth is. And that's where I came down when I was finishing out the manuscript, was to say, the truth really lies in all of us. It's really you taking a look at everything that's out there, whether it's the Patterson Gimlin film, Freeman footage, any and every foot cast that's ever been taken. You read the books, you watch the documentaries, you listen to shows
like mine, you watch shows like yours. You just take all the evidence in and then you just have to make a decision. And for me that's been very difficult because I've always wanted to believe. I still want to believe, and although I do believe, like you, there probably is something out there. It's very similar to what people have said that they see I'm just not one hundred percent there because I want to have that experience. I want to be able to say I've seen it with my own eyes. I know
it's a cliche to say, but I'm a knower. I'm not a believer. I'm a knower. That's what people say all the time. Once you have that experience, you just know. I think that's what it really boils down to. For me. The truth behind sasquatch is in each individual. There's plenty of people who I always think it's a joke and it's just something to laugh about and you make fun of your buddies who say they saw it when they were out hunting or whatever the case may be. But they're a
lot of people. I think the last survey I saw legitimate survey like one out of every three people in the United States believe that there's something too big but it's possible that sasquatch exists. That's a lot of people I don't know. It's an intriguing thing. I will definitely keep coming back and keep doing
the show and keep talking to people. It grows every single day. I meet so many more people that have had experiences, and it's my favorite thing to do, honestly, is to talk to people their experiences, and like I said, just meet wonderful people like you. I would have never met and talked to you had it not been for the subject, and so many people that I now call friends that came because of this subject. If that's all that comes out of it for me, I will be content with that.
I'm happy with that, and I think it's that way for a lot of people. It's being a part of a community that like minded enough to look into a subject that maybe people think is taboo or they think you're crazy for looking into it. So what, there's no harm in camaraderie and really looking into a subject that fascinates us all. Really it does, and it's the mystery of it all and not having all of the facts behind it that keeps us all looking. I think, what else can you tell me?
Obviously you've had a lot more experience in this field than I've had. What are some of the more interesting stories that you know about people's experiences. I think some of the most interesting stories that I have personally documented are some of the habituation situations that people have. It's one of the most fascinating things to me about the subject is there's so many people that have looked into it for decades. Peter Burne comes to mind. He was one of those people that
was out in the field for sixty years. I don't think Peter ever even found a footprint, very similar to Renee to Hinden and some of the other people that have looked into the subject for so long. Yet you have people in the subject who go out and regularly interact with these things or have tons of sightings. That's an interesting thing for me. I've documented some of those over the course of four hundred episodes or so of the show at this point.
Then there's course some of the fantastical stories, the stories like the fifty years with Bigfoot, the Janis Carter story. I've talked about that, We've done shows about it a couple of times on the podcast. I have a difficult time with some of those stories because I need evidence. I don't know
if it's different from me. If somebody's having an experience like that, you walk up on something in the woods and you're petrified and you're scared, and you take off running, I don't expect this guy to have a cell phone video sasquatch. I don't think it necessarily expect them to take a photograph of it, or to go back and look for physical evidence. But when somebody's saying I've spent fifty years with these things and there's literally nothing but a couple
of brelerry pictures and just some anecdote, I have a difficult time. I think they're fascinating, those stories are definitely cool to listen to and here, but I think Carl Sagen said it best. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and when that's not there, I tend to go the opposite direction. Well, I think when it impacts a person's life heavily, and oftentimes that's the
case. Either it creates a fear factor and they can't go back into the woods and they're no longer hiking and camping and fishing in things that they would normally do. Or the opposite of that is they become obsessed to buying bigfoot
and proof that it does exist. So those are two opposing responses, but often the case, that's what I find in people put any more credibility towards the way I handle my potential in care other people who have encounters, and they go down the rabbit hole and search transwers for the rest of their life. Same thing for the other people who go the opposite direction. I think they're equally as important to the people who experience that. I'm glad that people
are looking into it. I think that if there were more people looking into it, we wouldn't be as far down the road as we are. I just don't think there's enough. I think that's part of the reason with the research that people think, Oh my god, there's so many people. Why can't we find big Why haven't we found a body, Why can't we get a better picture. There's tons of people out there looking for him. No, not really, if you really think about it and you do the math.
I've done this with doctor rush Jones before. Russ's an author. He's a researcher and he does a podcast over on and Told Radio Network with a bunch of other podcasters like myself. But doctor rush Jones is out in the woods constantly. He's a full time practicing chiropractic doctor. He's been doing his practice for twenty plus years and he has to work. But when he's not working, he's probably one hundred and twenty days a year or so in the
woods, which sounds like a lot. I live in the woods, so I spend three hundred and sixty five days in the year in the woods. But I'm not out actively researching. He's out actively researching one hundred and twenty eight plus days a year, which is a lot. There's maybe maybe, And this is completely my opinion. It's subjective. I don't have anything to
back this up statistically. I'm estimating because I think Russ and I estimated together there may be one hundred and fifty people, maybe one hundred and fifty top end two hundred people across the continental United States that spend as much time in
the woods as doctor rush Jones does looking for Bigfoot. Now, if you break down the square mileage or the acreage in the continental United States where these things could be, and you spread out two hundred people, say it's two thousand people, say it's twenty thousand people spending one hundred and twenty days in the woods. If you really extrapolate it out, do the math, it would be like finding a needle in a stack of needles. To find these
things if you're actively looking for them. That's part of the problem with the research is we need more people looking into it. Whether they're documenting encounters like we do on a podcast, or you're actively out in the wood. Anybody who's in the subject at all can do their part by doing something. I didn't interview this week with someone talking about thermal drones doing a lot of that
work for you trying to find things. But that's costly, and also you just have to have a lot of monitoring of that, and a lot of territory and a lot of permission to flight those drums too. I can tell you when I was in Canada was hot standing. He has a ten thousand dollars thermal drunk. We put it two times while I was there, on two different days. We had the right conditions. It was fairly early in the morning and it was getting later in the year. It was October up
there. We weren't at the first snow, but it was thirty degree nights overnight. It was pretty cool. But there's a lot of tree cover there. Those are evergreens, there are Douglas furs up there. It is almost impossible to penetrate that kind of tree cover with a thermal drone, even as
apt and capable as the one that Todd has is. It was amazing to me, because I've done entire shows about that with people and had debates about whether or not thermal drones maybe the answer or at least part of the answer to doing some of the research. And I still think they'd play a part because if we were in an area and we did this a couple of times, we found some deer that we were able to drill down on, we saw a heat signature. Hey there's a heat signature. Let's get above it.
Let's turn the thermal part of the drone off and just go to the HD camera, and we were able to zoom in and had it been a sasquatch laying there, we would have been golden. We would have had some really good video evidence of a sasquatch. So it is possible, but it's not probable. I think his battery lasts for thirty minutes or so, and you can't cover a lot of area in thirty minutes as much as people would
think you could with a thermal drone. It's labor intensive. Todd's probably got one hundred and fifty two hundred hours of training just to be able to be as proficient as he is with his drone, and he's never caught an image of a Sasquatch using a drone in that area where I believe Sasquatch are probably hanging out. It's definitely not the end all be all. I think it's something that people should use. I encourage it. I know people who are
buying drones. I know when I was on Russ's show as a guest, Brad his co host was waiting on his drone to come in because he had just purchased a thermal drone. He was excited to get it out in the woods. I think that's great. I just don't think people should put a lot of stock in it being the only way or the best way to capture evidence or video of a sasquatch. I just don't think it's gonna boy.
I think we'd be safe to say that it's challenging. No matter what effort is put out, there is just a challenging process to really verify and find solid evidence of bigfit. I'm going to end our interview tonight. Thank you so much for coming on. I really seriously appreciate it. Brian sounds good. I had a blast. Thank you all Right here they say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay, and I don't want to be
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