Hey there, and thanks so much for joining me for the show. It is Sunday. Merry Christmas to you all. I hope that you're having a great and wonderful holiday with your friends and family. Christmas is certainly a magical time of the year, but it's also a time for me for reflection. Back in October of this year, the Bigfoot community lost a great researcher and fellow podcaster, and along with many people who knew him, I lost a
friend. I had the pleasure of having Joe Schneider on my show back in November of twenty twenty two, and shortly after I had him on my show, I was a guest over on his show, Western New York Bigfoot Investigation Group on YouTube, and less than a year later, Joe passed away in October after losing his battle with cancer. As soon as I met Joe, we hit it off almost immediately. We saw eye to eye on most things, and one of my favorite things about Joe was he was unapologetically Joe for
everybody who knew him. That was his style and it was one of the many things that I come to respect and love about Joe. So in tribute, I decided to go back, pull his episode out of the archives and remaster the audio and share it with you guys today. Joe was certainly a character, and he signed off his show the same way every single time, and after the interview is over, I've got just a small clip of Joe signing off here for the very last time from me to you, I hope
you all have a very merry Christmas. Now let's get into my interview with Joe from November of twenty and twenty two. Welcome to the show, Joe. Oh, thanks for having me man. I know we were trying to line something up with me being a guest on your show quite a while back, and I had some kind of a scheduling conflict and we didn't make that happen. But I had a blast hopping on Squatch Talk with you and Leon and Pat the other night. It was a good time and a good talk,
and I'm glad that we got to do that. So I'm certainly glad that you're here tonight. Absolutely, it was that was fun. I have openings. So the invitation to be on the podcast is do you have two to choose from, So depending on what day is easier for you, it's either sat Squatch Random Live on Mondays or Joe asks, wait a minute, what on Fridays? Awesome. We'll have to get that lined up for sure.
Folks may not know who you are. Explain to the audience who you are, and talk a little bit about your background and what got you interested in this bigfoot subject in the beginning. First of all, Western New York big But Investigation Group. That's my organizations what it's worth. It used to be actually a Western New York Bigfoot research organization, but it changed and there's
many reasons for that. I'm not going to go off on my tendent, but Whiney Big is what it is basically, and I started it just five six years ago. Really, up until then, I had no name for an organization because I was just going out and trying to see if I could find evidence of this thing. And I've been doing it since I was about fourteen years old. Really Now, I never wanted anybody to get the idea that I'm like a professional bigfoot researcher or a professional bigfoot investigator, because I'm
not. I'm just this has been a very fun and interesting hobby ever since I was fourteen, and the reason I started at fourteen is I found a footprint. I was squirrel hunting one day, which I did a lot of back down when I was a kid. I found a footprint by the side of preak near where I lived. At first I thought it was a bear print, but on further inspection, even back then as a kid, I
knew what animal tracks look like. I'm not gonna bore everybody with the whole story of that, but suffice to say that one footprint, which I absolutely know was not a bear print at all, that's what got me started. But at first I didn't think it was big foot. Of course, I didn't really start thinking along those lines until not a little time sometime after finding
that footprint. I didn't even tell anybody that I found it because I didn't want my father freaking out and you probably shouldn't go hunting in that area no more or something for a while or whatever, because I was thinking it was a big, crazy, army big one right that I saw in search of And I saw the Patty film for the first time, it just dinged in my head. Wow, I wonder if what left that footprint could actually be
one of those things. And that's basically what got me started. So almost forty five years ago, I just started in on this hobby man, just trying to see if I could find more footprints the kid, you learn as you go. I wasn't looking for back then, like structures or tree bricks. I saw those China things all the time when I was hunting. It would chalk them up as to whatever natural causes or bush trapping, somebody built some kind of lean to et cetera. I mean, to this day,
I still think of that. Most of that is what it is. But just going through the years, just trying to find more of these things, trying to see one and that didn't happen until about two years ago. Now, it's amazing to me that it happened at all. The odds I thought were totally against it. And there's reasons that we can talk about later. But yeah, two years ago, a little over two years ago now, because it was August to twenty twenty and I wasn't even looking. And of
course people go, you find them when you're not looking for them. I can't argue that. I cannot argue with that because during my encounter, I was not thinking about looking for big food. I didn't have any footing it with me or anything like that. I was simply in the woods that day to go retrieve a hiking stick that i'd left out there like the week before. I'd been out there. It's an area I love to go camping then.
But that had several people report, some of which I believed. Some I I'm not sure they might have been yank in my chain, but there were. The important thing was there were some people that I did by incredible that had reported, Yeah, there's something out here. I had found what I thought could be a footprint. Now I casted it, it didn't turn out I couldn't see any details. So even though the dimensions were right for me to go it could be a sasquatchprint, I didn't know whether it really
was or not. But as I was casting, i'd left the hiking stick leaning against the nearby tree when I was doing that, and didn't realize I left it out there until I got all the way home. That next week, I was out there just to go get that. I knew exactly where it was at, and I knew nobody would find. I knew it'd be
still leaning against that tree. Park my jeep hold rounds and I always do this for whatever reason, and you've heard other people comment I always pull around so that if I have to make a quick getaway for some reason, I'm always pointed out the direction I have to leave him. So I park my jeep like that, I get out of the jeep, I grab my phone and stuff it in my back pocket, and I start walking into the woods.
And the trail I was on, if you want to call it a trail, at one point, it was probably some kind of our logging road, maybe when they were doing some kind of logging in there. It's very overgo, very faint, but in some areas along it you can see where
there were tire rots at one point. But now it's more or less nothing but a game trail, really, And I'm walking through that grass is really high, burns are really high, and I'm walking down this trail and I'm heading in the direction that I have to go, and I'm keeping my eye open for this one tree. It was a hardwood tree. I don't know why. It was just weird. It had a bunch of pine boughs that
were like stacked in the center of a fork. It forked about seven foot up, had these pine boughs that were alternating broken in on one end. It's just weird. I'm not attributing that to anything to do with bakefoot, but it was just weird that those ended up there. And I was trying to figure out how to wind because there were some pine trees around, but
they were pretty far away from that tree. And so I always like to figure out how could the wind have blown those broken branches, and how would they have had to flip and hit different things in ricochet and then end up in the bow in this thing. Right, So I'm looking for that tree because I know I got to turn to the right to go towards where my hiking stick is. So I see the tree coming up. I glance up
at it. Bows are still there, nothing's changed about it. I get right up next to the tree and I look for right dead ahead of me, and I know I must have looked right at it and did not see it. But there was a big ass dough laying in the grass there in the ferns and the high grass. I did not see that deer until I took a step forward. Then that's when the deer decided I was getting too close. She popped up and ran to the left and scared me because I
wasn't expecting it. I had been looking right at and didn't see her until she flowed out of that grass. She ran to the left. I was tracking her, but all this happening so fast. In like seconds, she jumped I did that. I heard screams from my right. I snapped my head to my right, and there it was. There he stood. Man. It was covered in hair, dark black hair, all hanging in front of his face and stuff. But I could see his face through his hair,
and I could see it well enough. That's why I ended up naming him Rosta because of dreadlocks. Maybe it was because it wasn't raining that day, but it had been raining up to that day, and maybe he was just wet and his hair was screening. But there was standing there, and he had to have been at least seven and a half maybe eight foot tall, because I know he's a foot and half taller than me. And he was only forty yards away from me, that's how close he was. He
had this really deep pronounced brow ridge. The only thing I could see of his eyes from the distance I was at is they just looked black. I don't know if there was whites around his eyes or not. He just had this big, wide jaw, no chin to speak of, no lips. I didn't see any lips. This is a picture that a friend of mine and my co host on my Friday show, Jen. She drew that just off of what I could describe, and she did a pretty good job of it. It's not exact, but it's like a picture would be if I'd
have got one of those, but it's fairly close. It gives you a general idea of what I saw, and that's what I saw. His lips were like lips. It were just a straight props's face, nose kind of widened flat, just huge, man huge. I couldn't believe how big he was. And I only got a few seconds to really look at him, because as soon as I saw him after those screams, as soon as I saw him and recognized what I was looking at, it was like my hands flew up in front of me, and I know I had to have set
it out loud. I've said probably something like whoa big fella? I did not mean that, f up your day? And I started taking three steps backwards. He wasn't moving, didn't move at all didn't make another sound, just stood there breathing, and I could hear the breathing. He wasn't making any noise, but you could hear him breathing. It wasn't like he was blunting or anything like that, but you could hear him breathing. And the
only other thing I could hear was my heart pounding in my head. People have asked me before, did you hear any other noises or no I just started to trying to keep him in my peripheral to see if he was gonna move for as long as I could. When he wasn't moving, I was like, all right, time for me to excess stage man. I never actually broke into a run. I wouldn't say because I'm too fat, but I was definitely in a fat man jog by the time I got to my
jeep. I sat in my jeep and I was looking back, and I'm sure I probably looked back a couple of times just to make sure because I didn't hear anything. He wasn't like crashing through the trees coming after me or anything like that. I got back to my jeep, opened the door, and I sat down. I looked back at the tree line again, and I fully expected. I gotta tell you, at this time. In my head, I'm like, he's gonna be standing there, He's gonna be stan
looking at me. He wasn't nowhere to be seen. Did not see him, and I went to go start my jeep. My hand was actually, I'm not exaggerating, my hand was doing one of these numbers. I couldn't even get the key of the ignition. So I'm like, Okay, he's not there. I gotta calm down. I gotta slow my heart rate.
I got it stop shaking. So all the stuff that is going through my head at the time, all these years I've been interested in this and looked in and open to see one, and now it's nobody's gonna believe this. What the hell just happened? This is what's going through my head. What the hell was that? What was going on? Holy crap, that was a big foot. Nobody's gonna believe this. I sat on my phone. My phone was still in my back pocket and I could feel it back there,
and I'm like, you're dumb ass, dude. But the last thing on my mind in that moment was like, Okay, he's not moving, let's see what happens if I reach in my pocket. The idea that I had a camera in the form of a phone in my back pocket did not enter my mind. Because it was a really scary moment. I didn't know what to expect. That was one thing, man, that I did learn from this is that I had no idea what to expect if I ever saw one. I did not expect to see what I was looking at all.
I guess i'd expected something that looked more like a gorilla standing on two legs or something. But this is clearly a hominin. And this is absolutely the only thing I really know about Bigfoot is that from what I observed, it is a hominem of some sort. What makes it a hominin is the fact that it's walks by Pedley. Beyond that, I don't know, man, I just know what that one looks like. That it has to be some sort of hominin because it's walking by Bitty. It didn't look like me,
didn't look like you. So I keep going out there, man, I haven't seen anything out there. I love to go camping out there, and I always will. One of my favorite spots a camp But since then it spends like I said, over two years now and I've been out there to camp now peep nothing, no weird noises, even no footprints that I could find anywhere, and footprints are hard enough to find any way in New York
because of the way the substrate is in most places. But absolutely nothing, not even something that was a depression that you go or a line of impressions you can go, holy crap, that looks by pedal and it's about the right size. I have even't seen any of that. It's onward and upwards from there. Man. But the only thing when it comes to my encounter
is that's what I have. And it's not going to mean a whole lot to a lot of people except for me, because it did at least answer one question at least for me, and that is whether they actually exist or not. Now I can't prove that I saw what I saw. And that's why when I go about investigating things and people are telling me what they saw, I don't ask, first thing, did you get a picture of it? Now I may ask, hey, did you get a picture of it?
And if they say no, I understand why, especially if it's a random chance encounter. Unless you have a camera already running, which I do now every time I go out there or anywhere in the woods, automatically, I'm already running my video camera just in case. But if you're not doing that and you have a random encounter, good luck. Good luck getting a picture of it, because if it's a close up one like that, you're
gonna be too scared to even think about taking a photograph of it. If it's moving through the woods pretty quick and you just see it from a distance, good luck trying to catch that on film. When people don't have a photo or a video of the sasquatch that they play and they encountered, I understand that totally. I'm hoping someday I will, but that remains to be
seen. That remains to be seen. It's never one of the questions that I ask people when I interview them, because I've interviewed so many people who have had encounters like that. I was just talking to Da Roberts a couple of nights ago, and Da saw what he believes to be a dog man. It's running across the road and he and his family are driving fairly slowly on this gravel road. He said, I literally had my phone in my hand with the camera on, and I didn't even think about raising it up
because it's just the situation. So I totally get that. And I was looking at the picture over your shoulder there as you were telling your story and as you're doing the description, I'm thinking, holy shit, that looks exactly like what you're describing to me, and it does look very human like to me. So when you're forty feet away from this thing, I want to
ask two questions. You talked about the scream. Can you talk a little bit about the detail of what the scream sounded like the face of this thing. Did you get the impression that it was clearly aware of you, but how aware do you think it was? Was it like another human being standing there? Did you get a very human like feeling from this thing? Or what was going on? All right, let me tackle the first part first. The scream. That's really hard to describe because I've never really heard anything
like this, not out of any animal. And I've heard a lot of animals, different animals scream. I've heard fugar scream, I've heard bobcats and fisher cats and boxes, and I've heard all kinds of animals. Do different screams. It did not say anything like any of those. It started out really guttural, and it raised to a real high pitch and off a little bit. I don't know, man, There's no way that I could duplicate
that sound myself. There's no way. And it was so loud. I think it was the shock of the whole thing, and it wasn't like jimer sound or anything like that. Although I may have had an experience with that a few years ago, I'm not sure, because again I don't know what would have paused it, because I don't believe there was a big foot in the area. So yeah, the scream, I don't know. I do know this though, if I ever hear it again, I'll know it's a
sasquatch. And if I ever hear anybody that records that sound, I'll be able to go, that's a sasquatch. Now, I might not be able to prove it, but I'll know it that, Hey, dude, you actually record a sasquatch, because that's exactly what I heard. But I haven't heard any recordings of sasquatch or claimed recording the sasquat anything. Really what that screen that he made it was incredible. You can say that it sounded very primate. That's about all I can say about it. I can't reproduce it.
Like I said, then it sounded like he was mad or a frustration. Now you talk about whether he was aware. I think he was fully aware of what I was then the whole situation going on. He wasn't happy. You look at his face, didn't seem like he was happy. And I've said this before. Maybe that could be his general look all the time. Maybe he just walks around looking like he's not happy. But I think he understood the intent. Maybe I don't want to try to poist a whole
lot of intelligence on these things that I can't prove that they have. But as they say, smarter than the average bear, is he as intelligent as me? Probably in certain things, especially when it comes to surviving out in the woods. I can go camp and I can survive, But to live like a sasquatch does no. Not at this point in my life. Oh no, I'm almost sixty years old. Actually I'm gonna turn fifty nine. Sixty is a year away. Yet that's the thing too, that's what you
think about, And I can't even say that. Maybe he was a little afraid too, and people would be like, dude, he's a foot tall, three feet wide, or he's not afraid of you. Maybe he was. Maybe there was a little bit. Maybe there was a little uncertainty on
his part as well, because he didn't know. And that's another reason probably why if I'd even had to wherewithal to reach towards my back pocket pull out my phone, maybe that would have been a bad idea because maybe then that would have got him to come at me thinking maybe I'm going to pull out a weapon or something that maybe that would have triggered him. I don't know, But was there an intelligence there? Yeah, Obviously to me there has
to be, because otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here talking about it. And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. Because if that had been, say a bear, I would have probably had to fight a black bear for my life. That I'd probably gotten killed by a black bear if it had been a bear. But this was obviously something Nick can reason. I think again, I can't prove that.
The only evidence I have is what I've seen myself. That's what makes me think that, Yeah, he knew what was going on in the situation, and he wasn't happy about it, But he could also probably see that I wasn't too thrilled about the whole thing either. You answered my other question. I've asked that of a couple of people that I've had on the show that
have had pretty close up, face to face encounters. Did you get a sense of whether this thing was aggressive or had the propensity to be aggressive, or do you think it was just trying to be standing steel and hopefully you would go the other way. Yeah, a lot of that would really start being really subjective. But yeah, I think he definitely could have been aggressive, no doubt. And that's probably one of the reasons why I was so scared, because those screams didn't sound like, Hey, how you do,
and let's have a beer. Got of screams, let's all be friends. I just scared up his food because there's no doubt in my mind he was tracking that deer. Now people will say, maybe he was pushing it towards some others you didn't even see. I don't know, because I did not see him. Is that a possibility. Yeah, if my hypothesis of what they could be or where they come from is close. Yeah, they probably do hunt in groups, and maybe that's one of the ways. I can't
say that's what was happening in that situation. I can say that there was a deer there. That's fact number one too. There was a sasquatch there as well. I don't think it's just a coincidence that two of them were just in that spot and here comes fedal me stumbling in to find his hiking state that he left out there. You said something interesting before you went into the encounter, and I want to go back to that and ask you about
that. And you said something about the odds being against seeing one of these things just in general. What did you mean by that And is there something specific that you were talking about. Oh, I think it's very rare. I don't think there's that many of them. Then, really, I don't have any statistics to back that up. Really, people smarter than me can tell you why, and I agree with him. Doctor Milchrim can tell you why too. He does a great presentationient on a good hypothesis of the social
structure that it could be. He's not saying it is, but it's a really good one, and it makes sense. But in the state of New York. I would love to think there's thousands of these things in New York. I just don't think that's a realistic number. I know people are claiming that they see them, and I've talked to lots of people that are credible that I do believe have seen them. But I don't think you're just going
to walk out there and just hey, there's a saaspot. This was like forty But at that time, forty three years, I hadn't seen anything, nothing even that I could go, hey, what was that If I saw an animals easily, I don't bear deer, whatever, and then all of a sudden I chance upon one. That's incredible odds man. To think that I'm just going to go out there just because I saw him there one time,
that I'm going to see him again, I think it's astronomical. I just don't think there's that big of a population in New York, if there is one. I don't really have any data to really say anything one way or another to think that there's millions of these things on the entire continent, which some people do, and I don't know where they get those numbers, But if there were that many of them, there would be no question.
We wouldn't be sitting here trying to answer the question. For most people anyway, is big book a reality? Because if there were that many, everybody'd be running into them all the time. Because we encroach out every animal's territory, we do it. There's very few, and I think that the population cross the country is probably they are in key places that most people don't go.
I think in New York, if you're gonna really run across one, you might stand a good chance up in the ad Arondacks because there's still a lot of really remote territory up there where they can pretty much stay away from
people if they want to. There are some places in the Catskills that they could probably do the same, and in the Alleghanies where I was, those kind of areas, and as long as they have enough food, water, and shelter to sustain them, they can sustain small populations in these areas. But I just don't think there's that many of them, and I think it's pretty rare, and I think the odds of me actually coming across one again are pretty high. I'm not going to say it's impossible. It's possibility.
That's why I'm doing the Great finger Lakes Trail Sasqua next, dear man, I'm going to walk the finger Lakes Trail. I'm gonna do it in sections, though I can't do it through height. Everybody that follows me and stuff, they're good naturedly teasing me. I think they got running odds that I'm gonna end up being killed by semi animal out there, or maybe even dragged
up by a sad spot who knows. But yeah, then to do it in sections, and there's plenty of areas in there where it goes through areas where there have been reported sightings or weird vocalizations of that type of thing. I'm just going to do a thorough investigation all the way across from west to east and see if I can turn up any other evidence anywhere of anything.
That was one of the questions that when I had Jeff Mildrem on the show, I asked him about his hypothesis, his theory on how many of these things there might be. And obviously it's an unknown subjective answer that he gave, but he based it on black bear population and he gave a very good
breakdown of what that would look like across the country. And interestingly, I just had a conversation you and I were talking before we went online about my conversation with Tomas Stemberg yesterday, and one of the things that came up was when I had Peter Burne on the show. We agreed on most everything, but I did disagree with him because he he is a firm believer that these
things do not exist and probably have never existed east of the Rockies. He just doesn't think they're outside of the Western United States, specifically the Pacific Northwest. I talked to Thomas about that yesterday, and I'm sure you guys have had a conversation about it. He was really in that camp for many years. He agreed wholeheartedly with Peter burn that in fact, they weren't until he
came to New York State and checked it out himself. Because most people have this preconceived notion when you say New York or New York State that it's a whole bunch of these sprawling urban cities. Then there's these little speckles here and there of a few trees or maybe a park. Thomas was like, holy shit, it's the complete opposite there is so much vast open space that these things could inhabit. He was amazed and it completely changed his mind on that.
You've already answered the question for me. But certainly you have to believe that there are populations of these things east of the Rockies. I'm assuming correct. Oh, absolutely, Again, black bear comparison is a good thing, I think, because if it can sustain population of black bears, that could probably sustain a family of sasquatch if they live in families. I don't have no idea what their social structure is, and I know there's a lot of
people out there playing that they do. And all I'm asking them is, if this is really true, then show me the evidence that you know this. You know, because I absolutely don't know any of it. I know that they're a hominant of some sort, and that's where it ends with me. And yeah, they leave footprints sometimes, and maybe they do have an occasion to break the branches along the way when they're moving through the woods.
Whether they're marking trails, I don't know. I seriously doubt that. I pretty much figure they know their way around their own territory, so they're pretty familiar. They don't need to mark anything. I think if they're breaking and twisting branches, it's usually probably just to get them out of their way if they're und their way, and it may look like a trail, but yeah,
it's all hypotheses until you actually can see it being done. Hey, somebody can show me bigfoot building a structure, man, then that would answer that question, because most of the ones that I've seen are obvious bushcrap. There's no reason Bigfoot would be building this. So then be like, hey, look, I'm Bigfoot. I just built this here, come find me right And I just don't think that's happening. But it's the search, man.
It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. There's some frustration to it sometimes if you let things trustrate don I'm only human, so yeah, sometimes there's things that question me. I had notes written down as you were talking about the stick structures and ex formations. That's one of the things that I've talked to so many people about on the show because I've experienced some of that on my property here. I've never purported that it was a
sasquatch. I've never seen a bigfoot breaking branches and weaving things, but there's some weird stuff on my property that I see that could be very natural, it could be very innocuous, but it looks very strange to me, and I've had other strange things that have gone on the property that kind of make me think that there may be something more to it. You answered the question already. I'm in the same camp as you until somebody gives me some sort
of evidence, an eyewitness account that correlates with I saw this thing. I saw this tree structure, and this thing was leaving that area. Then I was a footprint that I casted, and then you got the totality of the circumstances. I just don't know anybody that has ever said I saw a bigfoot breaking these branches and doing these tree formations and ex formations and these full crumb type things. I think it's interesting, but I think I'm in the same
camp as you. I'm not really sure that's entirely attributable to a sasquatch. The reason why I think this people haven't made the claim that I saw one doing it is because, okay, because now you're required you just made a claim. Sorry, you have to show that claim to be true. Now that is did you give video of this thing doing this structure. If you're gonna make extraordinary claims, and I'm not talking about Hey, I encountered a
sasquatch. Now this goes beyond that. If you're gonna make extraordinary claims, then extraordinary evidence is needed to back up those planes. Otherwise I'm fully in my way to go eh. I don't really think that's anything because I don't see any evidence that really supports what you're saying. But like I said, as far as the branch breaking and maybe even some times breaking a tree or
whatever, maybe they haven't occasion to do that. Why they would do it, I don't know, other than like I said, the one part, they're pretty big. For the most part, they got branches. Nobody wants the branches slapping in her face, but they're gonna do break them to get them out of the way. The exes, I've seen lots of exes, and every last one of them have been natural. There's never been a reason why that I could come up with that a sasquatch would have done it.
My big thing is when it's X, what if your coming at it from the side doesn't look like an X. Then because people want to play with X means don't go here XS some kind of territory marker with it depends on what angle you're coming at it from, as whether it's going to look like an extra or now trees fall all the time. Together, let's talk a little bit about evidence. You've done this forty plus years, You've had this one encounter that obviously you and I talked about that a little bit on Pat
Show. We were talking about the Freeman film, and you were like, basically, I don't give a shit if it's real or not, because I know these things exist, so I don't need it to be proven to me. There's still tons of people out there like me who have not had those
experiences. The only thing I've had is vocalizations. I think I was bluff charged and ran out of the woods when I was twelve, but I didn't see what it was, so I can't say that it was a bigfoot right for the rest of us who haven't had that aha moment of absolutely being sure that these things are real and knowing that for a fact, the only thing we have left is the evidence. What were you able to find in your
research and boots on the ground in the woods. Outside of maybe a footprint here and there, did you find anything else that would have convinced you had you not had a siding that these things were real me personally, or anything that you've seen while you were out investigating. Up until the time you had your encounter, there was always stuff that maybe at least go hey, wow,
it's a good possibility these things exist. I've seen stuff that other people have found that have convinced me I myself personally, No, I'll tell you the truth, honestly, That's why you don't see it on my page. I have not found that much evidence. Yeah, I found some footprints, but again they're subjective to me. They looked like they were Sasquatch prints. There was no way that they were any other print. Now, were they
hoped? I don't think so. Because of certain markers, I don't need to go into it, and I'm not an expert on bigfoot prints anyway, so I think I could tell a real one from a fake one. Who knows, somebody might be able to pull one over my eyes too. But as far as that goes, when it comes to like scat, hair, DNA stuff, for many years, who the hell was thinking about DNA when
I was younger. I'm not thinking about trying to collect DNA. We're not going to get DNA from sasquatch back then, right, I'm not thinking about hair getting snagged down bushes or trees or anything like that. As far as physical evidence, about the only thing I found over the years really was what could have been footprints. Now, I've heard weird noises that I couldn't identify,
but that doesn't mean they were sasquatch. Now, most of the sounds that i'd have recorded if I didn't know what they were, I found out what they were, and I've been able to vet them out that most of them were known animal. I've found out which animals they were. We heard long when we were camping. I didn't get it recorded, but I remembered exactly what it's something like because it was scary. My wife and I were camping and in a new spot out west of us, there was a cougar.
Just to make a love story short, we were in the tent. It was like probably three o'clock in the morning, I think maybe two o'clock in the morning. This thing screamed and it was close. It was close, and this thing screamed so loud my dog didn't want to get out of the tent. This thing screamed, and I'd never ever heard this kind of scream before. I knew it wasn't about cat or fisher cat or anything like that. And the first thing that entered my mind, Brian, was not
bigfoot, because it didn't sound anything like that scream either. The first thing that actually entered my mind was banshee. And for people that don't know what a banshi is, look up some Irish folk flore they'll tell you what the band she is. It's usually before telling of the death that's going to happen. But what I was picturing in my mind if I got out of the tent was some pasty faced girl with long black hair coming at me right so I to go out. Sam. We actually ended up sleeping in the car
that night. I'm like, oh no, this ups the car. I feel safer in the car after hearing that. So I didn't know what it was. But I got home and I started looking online and trying to what did that sound like? And it happened upon the video man exactly and found out that it was a cougar because in the video. This cougar made the exact same screen that what me and my wife are not even asked her, I said, does this sound like what we heard? Do you agree?
And I played it for it. She was, that's exactly it. I'm like, that's a cougar, that's what we heard. It's funny that most people don't do that, though they'll hear something that's weird in the woods, like we've heard things here that I can't explain on the property. I've had David Ellis on the show, and I went through just about every recording that David has, and then I can find online. I can find nothing that sounds like the things that we've heard, and you have to scrite your head.
Could it have been this cat that had something wrong with its throat? Yeah, it could be anything. But I don't like to jump to conclusions and say, oh, that means it's a bigfoot. I'm just not that guy. So let's talk a little bit about that. I want to talk about something that you mentioned frustrations earlier. I've had a couple of conversations with people about it recently, and it's always frustrated me, but just more so
recently. Pat for example, on squatch Talk. I don't know, about a month or so ago, did his social experiment where he went out and took some of these paradolia photos purposely and posted them up, said nothing about Bigfoot, just did some the big famous red circle squatches right in these photos of nothing but leaves and limbs and there's absolutely nothing there. He posts them up on social media and like seventy five thousand people this thing reached and Pat
himself said, I don't have that kind of fricking reach. I've got nine hundred people in my fans group of the show. I think that's one of the biggest frustrations I have with the community. And I know you have some of that because I've seen some of your video where you talk about that kind of stuff and photos and what not to do and what to do when you're posting stuff like that. What do you think about that? What is it a collectively? And I do want to throw everybody into the same group.
I never do that. If you ever say all in all ways, you're probably lying. But it seems like to me so many people that are involved in this just do that so much, with these blob squatches and these red circle squatches. And meanwhile, I'll just use myself for an example, right, I'll be a narcissist here for a second. I think I do a pretty good bigfoot show with a lot of great people who share some really amazing encounters that I one hundred percent, hands down believe to be some of the
best anecdotal evidence that I've ever heard that these things are real. I've got a pretty big reach with my audience, not as big as I'd like it to be. It doesn't get the same attention as a paradola a picture of nothing but leaves and stems with a red circle pat proved that. I'm sure people gave them a hard time for it. Some people thought it was brilliant. I thought it was the most fantastic thing in the world. What do you think about that? What is it about that in this community that people
latch onto that. I'm not like saying that people don't have enough other things to believe. They want something to believe in math. They really want something to believe in, and that doesn't make them bad people. I think a good majority of the people, not even a good majority, but a lot of people. I think a lot of people that are like into the subject. I think a lot of them just all they want is entertainment of it. I think that they wanted to be real. They think it's a great
idea. It's something magical to some people. But the fact that to me, I'm on the side that I'm like, I don't get it, man, because just the fact that there could be another hominint that still exists with us on the face of pyet and didn't go extinct so many other of our hominin ancestors did and is still around, that in itself, to me is magical and amazing. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. We're here because we were able to develop technology
and we didn't adapt to our environment. We adapted the environment us and they are still sheer and they've not done any of that. They've adapted to their environment. I think that's magical enough. But I think with the paradolia,
people just want to see it so it doesn't matter. And I think a lot of people that put those out maybe they really believe what they're putting out is what they're saying it is. I think there are some of them that know absolutely, they're now, and they're doing it because they know they're going to get a lot of likes and a lot of look and a lot of wow, that's a great picture when it's not, but people want it to be real, so they're going to see it. I go through some pictures.
I used to take pictures of mccannon. I go out and just shoot pictures of the forest just for that, because it's pretty right. I'd gone through mine just to go, is there any paradoli he in any of my pictures? And yeah, I could pick out some that I found paradolia. I'd put one up when I was doing a show. If i'd have put a little red circle around that and popped it out there, man, that would have been like, oh yeah, there'd be a lot of people.
Now, of course be some like no, I think that's a tree man, and then there might even be some trolls it'll be mean about it, But then there would be a lot of people. But yeah, I see them. I see them, and look. If you've got to put a red circle around something to draw my attention to it, then there's nothing there for me to actually look at. This has to have red circles and arrows.
You can suggest anything to somebody when it comes to paradolia and they'll go, oh, yeah, I see that, whereas originally they might look at it and go I don't see anything. Oh no, but it's a face. You see the eyes and the nose, and all of a sudden you're going, oh, yeah, I see it. Yeah. I think it's mostly harmless to some extent, but it really doesn't do much for the actual research, and it does keep a lot of people from taking things seriously about
this, especially science. We've talked about this. I've talked about this on my shows. When you get people out there that are trying to take advantage of people's belief and I'm going to use the word gillibility because some people are goible and if there's people out there that try to take advantage of that monetarily, that's a bad part. And that is part, unfortunately, part of
this community too. There are some players in there that they don't care about anything except for making the money off of it as much as they can. That's why people hope stuff most of the time. Yeah, you have a few people out there hopes and probably just as a joke. But if you get some serious, hope toures. We know their names. Rick Dyer's one of them, those types of people, and they're going to exist in this community. But people in general with the paradolia, Yeah, just because they
really won't want to do I look at these pictures. I really want to see something up and if I really do see something at it and most of the time it's I don't know exactly what it is. I'm not going to say one hundred per sais that it's a bigfoot, but it's not paradolia. I could see that. I could recognize that. Yeah, you want to see it. You want to see it, and people want to think that they're taking pictures. Yeah, I was telling Da about it. When I
was talking to Da Roberts the other day, it happened to me. I posted some pictures that I had taken from the trail cam where I'd set up on this stump where this turtleshell had been stuck on my property, which was really weird. I said, I'm going to set this up and it may be like a gifting situation. So I'm going to set up this gifting stone and put this stone here, and then I'm going to put this camera up and then I ended up putting apple in the stump. I took some photos
from the SD card and it was nothing but raccoons. For three days, there was raccoons, three or four raccoons one day, two This night, I think there was three. The other night. Nothing happened to the apple. Nothing happened to the rock. I took the camera down on the third day, came back the very next day and something had taken a bite out of the apple and put it back into the stump. It was on a stick on the stump. It was either one big bite or two bites.
I posted the photos of that reluctantly on my social media because I was like, people are going to think I'm crazier. I'm trying to hope shit, but it just is what it is, right, Nothing happened to the apple for three days, and then I take the camera down and I come back the very next morning walk the dog and something they had taken a bite out of the apple. But I posted some of these photos that were taking at two or three o'clock in the morning, so it's pitch dark, and you
see these little raccoons. They're looking at the camera and they're doing their thing. One of my fans from the show took the photos. They send them to me a messenger, and they have messed with the contrast, and they brought the light up and down, and they swear there's a black either dog man or bigfoot figure standing over to this side of the stump where these raccoons are playing around. And I'm like, I appreciate that I haven't posted them.
I think I'll probably post them in the next week or so, just because I've talked about it on a couple of episodes now, and it's people are going to start asking, I'm gonna post the pictures. When you look at it, well, that kind of looks like a head, that kind of looks like ears, it kind of looks like a nose. So I
start doing that paradolia thing. Right, it's a suggested thing, and you've messed with the contrast, But it just proves It's like I told Da the other night, it proves that you can literally take anything and make something out of it, right, absolutely, yeah, And that's what most people do, I feel, and I agree with you. I think most of the
time it's harmless. And then there's those few shucksters out there that like to do it for click bait, and if they've got a YouTube channel or something and they're going to put up a nice thumbnail and get people to say sasquatch discovered and it's just paradola crap. People are going to do that regardless. But I agree with you. I don't think it does any service at all to people that are serious about it. Because there are a lot of folks
that do have really good photos. I think that probably will never come forward because they see what happens when people do these blob squatches and red circle squatches, and they don't want the same thing to happen to them. Yeah. I think there's some of that in that, and there may be pictures out there that we don't know about. I'm will to entertain that thought. And
I can understand I've never had an opportunity. Well, I can't say that I haven't had an opportunity to still what I did have an opportunity and I didn't take it right. But other than that, I don't go out there and run across things that I, wow, there's a sas spot, let
me film it. But I think that maybe some people might have something and maybe they're not so because of that, and I go through that too myself, I'm like, what if let's just say, what if I'm on this figure Lakes trail, little investigation that I'm doing in any part of it, and suppose I do get a picture of baked foot, not a blob, not blurry. If you look at it and go, holy Kyle, that's either a real bigfoot or a guy had a really good costume, right,
Because that's what it's going to come down to. Even if it's a really good picture, would I put it out? If I had it, I wrestle with that. Would I just put it up and go look at this big Yeah? Do I think that people would believe me? Yes? Because the people that followed me know that I'm not BS and man, I don't have a narrative or anything like that. But I don't know. Again,
that's the thing. There's so many pictures and none of it is conclusive, and it's not conclusive enough for science to go, Okay, you've convinced this sasquatch is real. Even if Siens were to say that, Okay, so that's guy's real, there's still gonna be people that have never seen one and probably never will see one, right, But yeah, maybe some people. I knew a guy that had a pretty good camera shot of what I think is a sasquatch that he said he would never release because he wasn't a researcher,
he wasn't an investigator, he wasn't interested in sasquatch. This was just totally something that he was trying to monitor off his property some other wildlife and just happened to catch this thing. And I said, that's pretty good, man. What are you gonna do with it? He's like nothing. I'm like, there's probably some people who probably want to see this. Nope,
they don't need the headache. I don't know about these things. I'm not looking to be the guy that proves bigfoot, and that's not going to prove it, he said. I've read enough about it, I've seen enough about it online. Even this is not going to prove it anything. Yeah, I don't think he's alone at all. I think that's happened a couple of times to me. I've had people that I've talked to and people that I didn't necessarily talk to directly, that talk to people I trusted very much,
so they told me the same thing. There's some incredible photos and incredible videos of these things out there that people will never release because of that kind of stuff. Let's talk about one more thing before we close out other cryptids. This is always something that fascinates me, and I've only had a couple of people on the show. Da Roberts was one that I interviewed. He's had
a couple of encounters with what he believes to be dog Man. I've had two other people on the show that have had encounters with what they believe to be dog Man. I have a hard time with that. I've said it so many times to everybody I've interviewed that claims to have seen them. I have a hard time with those things being real and existing, at least in
a physical form. And then there's a myriad of other cryptids. We won't even get into the rakes and other things that cupocabras and things that people claim to see. Let's just stick with dog Man to keep it simple. Where are you on other cryptids existing? Do you think it is a possibility that some of those things are actually flesh and blood creatures that people are encountering,
or do you think it's more of a misidentification or maybe even psychosis. Yeah, I think the best way I could put it with the cryptid thing, the reason why I am skeptical of other cryptids. If somebody wants to change my mind about some of these cryptids actually existing, then all I ask for is at least as much evidence that I have that Bigfoot exists, and then I'll be like, Okay, you got something there, But so far I haven't seen it. As far as dog Man goes, I love where wolf
Bovis. I love them ever since as a kid, still love them. I love the idea dog Man. Do I have a lack of belief in dog Man yet because I haven't seen no evidence. But I don't know either some of those people who are probably making it up or they're mistaken. That's all I can say. There is absolutely no precedence at all. Again, like you've mentioned, there's no precedence in nature for a bipedal species of canine.
There is shrabik. But primates evolved, or at least some of us did, evolved through evolution, and because of environmental reasons, we've adapted and we became bipedal. It was advantageous to us well. Canine species. I don't see where evolution would ever find that advantageous to a canine species to become bipedal and still keep its basic biology of a canine. So yeah, there's no precedence for it. And if you want to talk about supernatural stuff,
have a lack of belief in that too. I'm not saying that weird stuck doesn't happen. Weird stuff does happen in people that much. I acknowledge. I even acknowledge that would be pretty stupid to me to say that science can answer everything. I don't think science can answer everything. Science has to have stuff that can test an experiment with before it come up with an answer.
And if you don't have anything, and that's basically what the supernaturally is, you don't have anything to test, You have nothing that you can even perform experiments around a goal. This is real. Like dog Man, No, I think a vast majority and this is just my opinion. I think a lot of people with the dog Man, especially the ones with the dog Man channels and stuff, I think they're exaggerating. I think they're playing some fun
games with their stuff and things like that. And yeah, for the people who really think they've seen the dog Man, and I absolutely think that they saw a lot. I think it's a misidentification probably of some sort. Has to be. I'm there with you, man, But like I said, I've had a couple of people on the show betweena Mass, I've had now Da Roberts on the show, and they're pretty convinced that what they saw was a dog man. I guess the jury is still out on dog man.
Joe had a blast talking to you man. Thanks for coming on the show. It a was fun, really enjoyed it. Don't sweat betty stuff. Don't bet the sweaty stuff. I'll be coming at you. What's something coming up? Everybody? Love you, have a good night. Days the as I at the