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the summer. This is before I went out to Radium. You hear us talk about some of that stuff, but we get into podcasting and helping other podcasters, and we talk about some of the things that you probably never heard me talk about on the show before. It was a really good conversation. If you haven't listened to Jeremiah's podcast, make sure you check him out Bigfoot
Society. He does interviews and has some really great shows over there. Now, let's turn back the clock and go back to this summer interview I did with Jeremiah on the Bigfoot Society. Big Society. I've got the privilege of talking to mister Brian king Sharp tonight from Sasquatch Odyssey. How's it going, Brian? I'm good. Jeremiah, how are you, ma'am? Dude, I'm doing good. I'm excited to finally get to chat with you on my show. I was able to go over on yours and I got a little
distracted. But how are things going on over there on the You're on the East coast, right, I am. I'm in North Carolina. It's been really stormy today. I was glad that the storms moved out because I've had to cancel a couple of interviews over the last I don't know a couple of months when we've had these really bad storms come through, but luckily the skies
parted. They knew I was going to talk to you tonight. Can't be raining during bigfoot society, that's right, And I know some of these interviews sometimes you work a year to get them to work out, and this person's never going to come back on again. So I'm always holding my breadth for these interviews that they will actually work. Brian, I've never heard your how you got into bigfooting. What was it that got you into the bigfoot game.
It's so weird because I feel like I've always been in it because I grew up in the North Georgia Mountains as a kid. It was part of the culture there. It wasn't something that you just set around and talked about at the dinner table. But we lived in a very rural, poor area. I grew up very poor. There was a lot of gensng hunters and
people out doing whatever they could to survive. And I remember distinctly hearing some of the gensng hunters stories that came down off of Lookout Mountain in the North Georgia area and northern Alabama, right on the border there with Georgia. I remember One story in particular that stuck out to me for years was a couple of Gensen hunters. They ran down the mountain, basically rolled down this mountain. They came down, beat up, bruised, tattered. They kept saying
that something chased them off the mountain. I think they called it a wild man or hairy man or something. Of course, I was maybe ten when I heard the story for the first time. I had no idea what it was, but now in retrospect, I figure out that it was probably Bigfoot that they were talking about, that they had an encounter with on the mountain. I do some stories. I call it storytime on my show. I read some encounter stories, even got a whole series going now on dog Man.
I was searching for stories and a lady over in the UK actually put together a huge database. I don't know if you're familiar with Deborah hats Will, but she does the Yes, she reached out to me. Yep, yeah, Deborah is awesome. I've had her on the show a couple of times, but she has amassed this database and she has it's an interactive map basically of every cryptid encounter you could possibly imagine. She shared it with me. She's like, pick at whatever story you want, read it off there.
And I was looking in Georgia one day, Lo and behold. I started searching in on this map in that area of Georgia and I found a story from I guess it was the late seventies of these Jensen hunters that told their story. It's a very short encounter, but it was the one that
I grew up hearing through word of mouth as a kid. So it was really cool to have that come full circle as a podcaster now that deals in bigfoot encounters really and to hear one and see it validated and writing on a database that it actually got reported to somebody, and somebody took the time to actually document their encounters that ending experiences as a child that I attribute to wuld
possibly be bigfoot when I was like twelve years old. I know, I've always had an interest in it, but I really didn't get into it until I got out of law enforcement and I could actually pursue that kind of line of inquiry, if you will, because as a cop, you don't talk about that stuff. I've said that plenty of times on the show. You've talked to plenty of police officers. You just don't talk about that at work.
Once I left that in twenty sixteen, I was really able to pursue that interest, and that culminated and starting the show in February of twenty twenty one. That is just fascinating, what if fascinating area to grow up? And was that the same area where like the Expedition Bigfoot Museum is like that area of North Georgia, or it's similar to that. I would probably say as the crow Flies, I grew up in like the Summerville and Rome area.
That's in Blue Ridge, So it's probably a couple of hours drive, maybe an hour and a half drive from that area, But say general, if you looked at a topo map and just erase the name of the area, it would look almost identical to the area where that Bigfoot Museum is. And I've been there a couple of times. It's a great place, so on my list of Bigfoot museums to go to, it's a really cool place.
Man. I've been there a couple of times, and we did a vice show a couple of years ago, I think towards the end of twenty twenty one. They followed us around for about ten days and filmed. They were highlighting the show and me and what I was doing. And part of the thing we did was travel from North Carolina here on our property to the Bigfoot Museum when we filmed there for a couple of days, and they were super nice people. They allowed me full carte blanche access. I got to
interview people on the spot. Yeah, it was a really cool experience, really great people. Did that aeron on Vice it did? Yeah, Okay, what was the name of that The name of the series was in my own world, I think I was episode seven. It was called Bigfoot Hunters of All Things. Man, I gotta check that out. That sounds great, man. I love that sort of stuff. Brian, I would hope that most of my listeners already know what Sasquatch Odyssey is, because if you
like Bigfoot Society, you're really gonna Sasquatch Odyssey and vice versa. But for the people that haven't heard of Sasquatch Odyssey yet, do you mind sharing what's your elevator pitch for what Sasquatch Odyssey is. How it came about all that good stuff, How it came about is a little longer than an elevator pitch, But the elevator pitch for the show really is it's very similar to the Bigfoot Society in that I wanted to create a space where people could come on
and share their encounter experiences and not feel crazy. That's it in a nutshell, right, because when I really got into the subject, that's the one thing I really wanted to do was talk to people who had experiences and had encounters. And it started, and it was born out of me doing it in the Southeastern United States because I talked to people, and I've talked to
people since. I've interviewed Peter Burne on the show and we got into a little argument because he didn't think Bigfoot has ever existed east of the Rockies, and I'm like, I've talked to tons of people that would disagree with you,
Peter, But that's neither here nor there. I really wanted to document as many cases as I could in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, all the places that I've been and grown up Southeastern United States in generals, that's what the show was for me, as I wanted to document those cases. That's how it started. The very first episode of the show ever, was a roadside crossing encounter with a guy named Cale here
in North Carolina. I think you've been a lot better in this business than I started, because I've listened to some of your older shows and they're much better quality than mine. When I started. I was you didn't listen far enough back, But thanks, Brian. I was literally recording the show on my cell phone on this free app called rev and I was too an anchor. Dude, that's okay, so we get it. We are brothers, man, we are brothers god. So yeah, that's that was the thing.
I recorded his interview. I was fascinated with some of the things that he told me. He's about three hours from me here in North Carolina. Just that in and of itself. The roadside crossing thing has become this thing for me on the show because you hear that all the time. These are such elusive creatures. People go out and look for them for fifty years and
they never have an encounter. They never see a footprint. But yet somebody's driving to work in a Prius and they almost smack one of them crossing the road at least two times a month. So that was I'd say the beginning of the end. For me, I just went down the rabbit hole because I was hooked at that point. And when I talked to him, I was like, I've got to do something with the story. I can't be the only one who hears the story. So I was like, I'm going
to start a podcast. I don't know if anybody will listen, but I'm going to start a podcast and put these out there and let people hear these stories from North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia. So that's what I did, and one episode turned into five, turned into ten, and luckily through the universe was looking out for me. West Girmmer from Sasquatch Chronicles about three months into the show, he reached out and said, Hey, man, I like your show. I listen to your show,
but your audio sucks but awesome though. Let me help you with your audio. And I'm like, holy crap, what am I going to say? No, of course not. He called me up and we spent a couple hours on the phone talking and he gave me some ideas and I'm writing a list down of things that I should order and boards that I should get to record the show and microphones and all this stuff. And you know, a couple of weeks later, I had everything in and I remember I set the
board up and I was a lost ball in high weeds. Dude, I had no idea what I was doing. A cinema text and we hopped on FaceTime and he spent like forty five minutes helping me dial my board in, and it literally changed the show overnight, the audio quality. And it still had some issues. Every day you improve, you figure out a new way to do something, and you work constantly honing your craft. But literally,
overnight it changed the show. I've had to go back and remaster some of those earlier episodes because there were such good quality content that was just crap audio. Now I have the software and I have the ability to go back and remaster those shows and give them new life and re release them. I've gotten a couple of Apple reviews lately that's just holy crap. I'm so glad you did that because I got to hear the story in a whole new way. Like episode nine, I had Jeff Meldrim on the show, and it was
horrible the audio. I over compressed it when I was editing it. It was horrible, and I just remastered that a couple of weeks, maybe a month or so back, and it's now listenable, So you guys can go back and listen to Doctor Jeff Meldrim. He was one of the first episodes I did on the show and I'm still working my way through that. So one that's amazing how Wes stepped out and said, Hey, I'm going to help this dude. What I love is when people in the community, even
though they're doing the same thing, they're helping each other out. For example, I'm going to shout you out real quick, and we won't get into super specifics, but after I was on your show last time, we had a very intense thirty minute conversation or so that it was so encouraging to me and put me on the right track to one day doing this full time and giving me the hope to do it. So I just want to say thank you, Brian for taking the time to really change the course of what I'm
doing here. That was just really a life changing chat we had. For sure, I believe in karma, man, I believe in karma. I've always said that no matter what, and I help a ton of people behind the scenes with their shows because I love doing that. If you get to the point where you have the ability to help other people, like Wes West didn't have to do that for me. He could have just said that's just another podcast or whatever, and for whatever reason he chose to do that,
it changed my world. It really did. I've been forever grateful for that. If I ever have the opportunity, and I said it to him, I believe if I ever have the opportunity to pay anybody back or to pay this forward, I'm going to do it tenfold if I can. Because some
people think things are competition, I see it the complete opposite. Everybody who succeeds at doing what I do just makes my life better and it makes the world better for everybody because there's more places for people to go for information. That's what it's really all about for me is getting the encounters out there, getting the information in people's hands, and letting them make up their own mind
about things. One hundred percent. I agree with that. My dudes, you are involved with something cool that's about to happen relatively soon, but I would love you to share about what's going on out in Idaho. The cool thing that you guys are putting out there, that convention that's coming up soon.
Yeah, that sort of just fell in my lap. I had Brandon Hoffhein from Squatch Nut reached out to me months and months ago and we were going back and forth about some other things and he had some encounters, so I invited him on the show. He came on the show, shared his encounters. Great dude, just super high energy. I just immediately was drawn
to his stories. We started talking and he was really looking forward to putting together a Bigfoot conference in Idaho. He reached out to me, we kicked around some ideas, he just started running with it, and the next thing I know, he calls me up and he says, Hey, I've got doctor Jeff Meldrum's committed to coming out. Cliff Bergman's coming out. I'd love to have you on the panel. Would you come out and speak at the conference? And I'm like, sure, man, absolutely, let's make it
happen. And I had been trying for those that do listen to my show, you know, I had been chasing my tail and herding cats for probably five months now. I've been trying to do a roundtable discussion on the enhanced, non interlaced version of this Freeman footage from nineteen ninety two. I'm sure most people who listen to your show are very educated in bigfoot. You do a very good job with that, Jeremiah. But for those that don't know
what the Freeman footage is all about, it's basically Paul Freeman. He was a pretty prolific bigfoot investigator back in the late eighties, early nineties through the two thousands really before he passed away. He's a kind of a controversial figure in Bigfoot. As I dug into his history and dug into things, I figured this out because if you talk about footage and possible proof of the species, the Patterson Gimlin film is usually number one in everybody's mind, and normally
it's the Freeman footage right there at number two. It's a pretty big deal. But in a nutshell, this guy's basically out doing his thing and he films what looks like a Bigfoot crossing over this path. The famous line that most people recognize zoh, where he goes right. It's very grainy. It was on eight millimeters video in nineteen ninety two. So if you've been around long enough to put your mind back in nineteen ninety two and think about what
grainy video looks like back then. That's what you're gonna get with the Freeman footage. Almost immediately after this footage came out, Doug Hichek started digging into it and he was working his tail off to try to enhance this footage because in part of the footage, and Doug just talked about this on Saturday on my show, if you listen to the footage carefully, you hear Paul say
at one time, Oh, there's more than one of them. So he can see with his naked eye that there's more than one of these creatures there. You just can't make it out in the film. So that was just digging into Doug's skin. Doug well enough to Doe, He's going to start digging and he's not going to stop until he gets what he wants. So that's what he did, and he worked on this for basically twenty years.
He eventually had to go to the government, to the military to get some software to really enhance this footage, do the nine interlacing, make it so he could actually see what he was wanting to see here. Of course, he made a discovery of what's now famously called the baby Lift of the Baby Big but that's in the footage. Cliff's also been working on it. Cliff has done his own sort of version of cleaning up the film to get it
a little bit farther along, just like Doug has. Recently. Within the last year, Michael Freeman Paul Freeman Son wrote the book The Freeman Files. As a part of that, you got to see this footage along with the I think it's ten plus hours of audio that Paul recorded over the course of his life out researching, and that's all a part of the book as well. What I was going to do or wanted to do. I reached out to Michael, I reached out to Doug and I said, hey, I'd
like to get Cliff Barrickmhan was on board. Cliff was going to come back on the show. I was going to have Doug on, Michael Freeman, I was going to get doctor rush Jones on. We're going to release some of the footage on the show and then have a round tape, just like you and I were talking before we went live. Here. It is almost impossible to get a lot of schedules lined up You're talking five people with that
kind of schedule. It's been really tough. Every time i'd send out an email, I'd shoot people text messages and say, hey, I've got these five days lined up over the next week. Can you guys make it? There was always somebody. It was Michael saying, oh I can't do it, or Cliff's I'll sorry, I'll be out of town and stay tuned for
more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. So a lit light bulb went off in my head when Brandon reached out to me and said, hey, I'm going to have doctor Jeff Meldrim's going to be there, Cliff Bergman's going to be there, You're going to be there. Thinking, okay, what two better people to have a conversation with about the Freeman footage than those two. Let's reach out to Michael Freeman. So I shot him a text and said, hey man, this thing's coming up.
Do you think you'd be interested? And he tried to work out his schedule. Okay, boom, he's on board. So now we've got Michael coming. So then I reached out to Doug and said, hey, man, can you come and he's unfortunately, I will be fifty five miles deep in the woods that weekend, But hey, why don't I send Alex up there and I'll send part of our crew from Legend Meet Science too to film the thing. I won't be there, but I'll send those guys. And I'm
like, Okay, that'll work. So yeah, that's where we are. And I had another idea. I said to Brandon, this is historic, dude. Very few people have ever seen this non interlaced, enhanced, slowed
down version of this film. That's so crystal clear. Why don't we work with Doug Alex and those guys, and why don't we figure out if there's a way to make this conference available virtually, if people want to attend virtually, they can get a link and they can see the video, they can hear us break it down, they can hear us talk about it, they can be involved in the situation, and they won't have to travel to Idaho.
It's like two thousand miles for me, so I know it's a tough track for a lot of people to get there, right, And he's that's a brilliant idea. So we've got with Doug Alex and Blaine and those guys that they're fantastic, So anything they set in their mind to, they get it done. And we just rolled it out. I had Doug and Brandon on Saturday. I just released it. The show came out yesterday, but we rolled out the announcement. Doug put together a cool like intro. It's
about a minute long that sort of describes what's happening. It's a trailer if you will for the upcoming conference. That was a really long answer to say, it's a really cool conference if you can be there in person. We obviously want you to be there in person, but if you can't, you have the ability to see it. Virtually. All you got to do is go on and Doug has different packages. It's Hanger one Publishing dot com.
You can go over there and it's right there on the homepage. I think the lowest package is nineteen ninety five, so you can literally be a part of this for less than twenty bucks. See the footage, be a part of the round table, and really, in my opinion, be a part of history. I'm shocked that more people aren't talking about what's going on with the Freeman footage. The enhancements, so Hopefully we'll stir up a little interest and if people are interested in it, they can attend it virtually. I
don't know if it's ever been done. Honestly, I know they've probably done some virtual conferences. I think you're actually involved in one that's coming up that I saw something about online recently. It's like I might, Yes, I am, I do my homework, Jeremiah, thank you. Yeah, no, I'm Ryan Sprague is putting that on. That would be a good one. Yeah, I'm excited. But as far as Bigfoot, I've never seen it done. I've been to a couple of conferences. I've attended a couple
of conferences. I've spoken at a couple of conferences already this year, and I've not seen anybody that's done anything virtual like that allows people to actually be a part of what the speakers are doing on stage in real time that I'm aware of, I could be all. It raises the bar for imagine if all Bigfoot conferences, like in the Ohio Bigfoot, the Big Guys, if
they could do the same thing. It's fantastic And for the cost to such a low cost of nineteen ninety nine, it's a no brainer that you want to be involved with seeing what's going on. So is this going to be the best ever footage of the Freeman footage? Then this is the best you're ever going to see it? Oh, hands down, There's no way it's
ever going to get any better. It is phenomenal. The first time I saw it, Michael sent it to me after I had him on the show, and I pulled it up on my computer and my jaw dropped because it's it's so freaking clear. Even to this day, when I watched the Patty film, I've recently changed my opinion on that too, So we can talk a little bit about that if you want. But I've seen that so many times and I still there's this little tickle in the back goes. I'm just
not one hundred percent there. But after I had the conversation with Michael and I saw this enhanced version of the film, I was one hundred percent convinced. You're not going to convince me otherwise that's not a sasquatch and that's not a baby that it's picking up off that tree. Just not going to happen. Wow, don't you get a copy of the Freeman Bigfoot Files. It's one of the tiers with this as well. Yes you get an ebook.
Yes you get the book with everything, so you can you literally read the book and look in and see what Paul was doing in his research, and you can hear things in his own words. You can hear him talking. His audio diary is there and it's amazing. The book itself is like seventy bucks if you buy it by itself, but as a part of one of the tiers that you can attend this conference virtually, you can get a copy of the e book and get access to all of that in perpetuity forever.
It's yours. When I was reading through that and listening to everything before I had Michael Freeman on Big Fastciety a little while back, I just remember listening to all the Paul Freeman audio clips and you're literally listening to the Paul Freeman podcast. Is pretty much what it is, but you really get to know how he is as what his character is. It's fascinating. People watch the conference live. Also, you get the book, and the book is so
worth reading. Michael did a great job with that. I'm excited that you guys are putting this together, that the high checks figured out how to make it all the tech wizard stuff very cool. You're such a busy guy, Brian. You got a lot of really cool stuff, and I appreciate that because you've gotten to the point where you're doing some cool stuff and it's very
inspiring. Another thing I want to hear from you is you are taking a trip soon enough where you are headed up to a special place with a particular gentleman, and I'm going to let you just present it the way that you would like, because I think it's a very fascinating story. Yeah, it's another thing that sort of I won't say that fell in my lab. That was a more of a long time coming. I had the opportunity to take this trip last year and I just couldn't make it work with my schedule.
But the opportunity presented itself again. I am going up to BC Canada to the Radium area on an expedition with Todd standing in October. I say it took a lot longer to get to that point because it took me probably a year to get tied on my show. I would say the reason for that is is because I called him a hoaxer for about a year before I got
him on the show. I have strong opinions about his videos that he presents as evidence in his documentary and his YouTube channel and wherever he puts those out there. It really took getting Survivor man Less Stroud on the show, I think to persuade Todd to come on the show, because I don't know. It's probably two weeks after I had Less on the show than Todd was like,
Okay, I'll come on your show, dud. Because we talked about him for thirty minutes and had a really in depth conversation because it was the closest thing I could get because Less has been out with Todd, he spent weeks in the woods with him. I wanted to get Less's perspective because I respect the Less. I think he's a very honest guy, and I knew he wasn't gonna bs me when I asked him these tough questions, so I did. It was more, it's not about Todd as a person. I've
never wanted it to be about Todd as a person. It's about Todd's evidence and what he presents as evidence. That's where we kept it, and I asked Less, I said, what were your concerns about the videos, and he was honest. He said, look, dude, I held the cards in my hand, I held the video medium in my hand. The videos are real. I don't see anything as far as me being able to point
out this is fake. And this is why he's of My concern was where's the b roll, where's the leading up to, and where's the after that it happens? Right, So we got into that on the show, and that's the one thing that I've called him out for, and of course Todd has these answers, and Lesson went through that on the show. I think Less was the episode sixty eight of my show. If anybody wants to go
back and listen to that. The remastered version has come out in the last month or so, but if you look for less Strategy, you'll find the episode. But we get into that, and that was the only thing because it's the typical thing, right if you look at any bigfoot video online, you going onto YouTube and it's just boom, somebody's filming trees and then all of a sudden, something walks out, where's the backstory? Why were you there? Why were you filming the tree? Why were you having the camera
pointed in that direction. Where's the footage that led up to that? Did you walk up for thirty minutes? That kind of stuff. So that was the one thing that really stuck out to Less and he really never got answers as far as why. There was always this happened, the camera went dead, or this happened, or that happened, but it was never really any real explanation. It didn't really change my opinion. And then once Todd came on the show, I asked him some tough questions about it, and he
defended himself. To his credit, he came on the show no one what to expect. He was coming into an environment with a guy who had called him my hopes for for a year, and we had a very amicable conversation. We didn't always agree on everything, we agreed to disagree, but at the end of that conversation, I had a new respect for Todd the man. He's not a bad guy. We've talked afterwards, We've had conversations. He's got a couple of my videos. I've let him use some of my
interviews on his YouTube channel. I just have a problem with what's happening as far as the evidence is concerned. He basically invited me. At that point. He's like, come up here and let me prove it to you. Put your money where your mouth is, come up, go out on an expedition. I'll take you out. He never guarantees that you're going to see a sasquatch. He's like, just come on out and you'll see that it's the real deal. That's what I'm doing in October. Man, I'm gonna
go up and take the trip. I've said it before. I wish those things were real. I wish that those were real Bigfoot. I don't think that Todd hasn't had experiences. I think he has had experiences, probably continues to have some sort of experiences. I've interviewed several people who have been on expeditions with and who have seen a sasquatch and or had some really intense experiences, and who knows. I'm going in with an open mind, but I'm
going in with the blinders off. I'm not going to be an easy customer. Let's just put it that way. I'm going to go in respectfully and see what happens. What kind of tech are you bringing up? I'm going to guess you're gonna try to document things stuff like that. Absolutely, I do not have a great camera. I'm like most people. My only camera has been my iPhone for years. But I wanted a really good camera because I'd like to do some on site interviews. I want really good quality videos.
I'm getting a camera that'll shoot HD quality video, high quality audio, and really good pictures with a decent zoom because I'm anticipating that I may be taking some long range photos. I'm also going to invest in some really good audio recorders because I want to have those on hand. I'm planning on having an audio recorder going twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. I found a couple of models through some good friends of mine, and some
listeners of the show have reached out and done some recommendations. I found a Sony that records for fifty hours straight on one battery. I'm really excited about that. If I can take enough batteries up there and keep that going for I'm going to be there for seven days, so it's going to be a lot of audio. It's going to be a ton of stuff to go through when I get back, but I think it's going to be worth it because
I'm going to have it going twenty four to seven. Then, like I said, I'd like to do some on scene interviews, maybe with Kyle, maybe with Todd, and then of course we'll probably do a debrief and have them both back on the show once we get back to talk about what happens, what doesn't happen, and all that good stuff. Absolutely, that sounds like it's going to be a fascinating journey. What kind of evidence would it take up there for you to at the end to be like, Okay,
there's bigfoot here, I experienced something, it's legit. What would it take. That's a good question, man, I don't know outside of actually having a visual and seeing one. That's the other thing I'm taking binoculars. I have a brand new pair of binoculars that's going with me as well. Outside of seeing one. I really don't know what to say, man, because I have found so many things here on my property. I found a footprint like three weeks ago. The first thing that I go to is Okham's razor.
It's not a footprint, it's paradul it's something else. It just looks like a footprint. I'm still questioning my own stuff, you know. I just posted a bunch of pictures from yesterday. We did a hike and I found a bunch of really weird tree breaks. Another what looks like a nest site. There's I don't know, probably a three hundred pound seedar log that's balanced in between two trees about ten feet up. And a weird area where there's a pine tree stuck into what looks like a den on the side of
a mound. It's just really weird stuff. You can see the pictures on the Tasquatch oyssee Instagram, and I think I did it on TikTok as well, but just really weird stuff. So I find that kind of stuff here and I just brush it off. I sent the picture of the footprint or what looks like a footprint to Doug. I texted it to him and I'm
like, tell me, I'm not crazy, dude. This looks like a footprint, right, And he looks like a handprint to me, and he's pointing out where it looks like maybe a thumb, and I'm like, I don't know. It's just such a slippery slope with all of that stuff. So unless I saw what made the footprint, if I didn't see a sasquatch stepping into the creek where I found the footprint. I'm never going to definitively say it was from a sasquat. I think it would take me seeing it.
People have asked me that question. I was on Pine Island Research as a guest a couple of weeks ago with Jeff. It's like I told him, even if I'm up there in the camp and sasquatch comes in and sits down and has a cup of coffee at breakfast, it's not going to change my opinion about what's happened with the videos and the evidence in the past.
Now, of course I would say I had a cup of coffee with a sasquatch, maybe, But unless it looked exactly like one of the ones that was in the video, and I knew it was a real sasquatch, it's not going to change my opinion of the evidence that we've seen over the last ten years. But then I would come back and absolutely say, yes, there's activity there because I saw one. So I think that's what it would take for me, is I would actually have to be able to see one
and then know that was real. That isn't me laughing at Todd. That's just me laughing at a visual I had in my head that was so ridiculously funny. But man, I am excited to hear what happens from your journey up there, your future journey. That's going to be great. The cool thing. I love talking to people on big Fast site. I know you love talking to witnesses as well. Is there a certain interview that sticks out in your mind that you're like man if Sasquatch Odyssey could only be one episode
and listeners could only listen to one, like this is the one? Is there something that sticks out in your mind? There's probably a couple. Okay, I think honestly it sounds cheesy, but I would say the less Stroud interview was probably one of my favorite interviews ever, just because of the person that he is and just the genuine honesty that he exudes about everything in his
life. He's had a fascinating life way outside of Bigfoot. With his show The Way That Happened, he created a genre that we enjoy to this day with this sort of lost, you know, in the woods, Naked and Afraid Alone, all those shows. So just that journey, that's where we started the interview because I was a fan of Survivor Man before the Survivor Man
Bigfoot stuff. I think that gives you a really good portrait if you were just to listen to that episode what the show is really and then the conversation we have about Bigfoot and the open and the honest conversation about some of the I was on a show recently where somebody said, I don't use the word wu anymore. I call it high strangeness. So I'll say the high strangeness
that has been involved in some of his experiences out in the woods. It was just a really good conversation, and he presents it very well, obviously, because that's what he does for decades on television. Yeah, and then just recently, i'd say within the last couple of months, there was a hunter I think his name was Daniel. His really weird experience. I say weird because if you listen to the episode, it sounds really intense, and it is intense. It's about an hour and a half long because he tells
every minute detail of his encounter because he is just reliving it. Then I found out why afterwards those people gave me guff Of course, you get those messages you should have shut that guy up and took him an hour and a half to tell a story that should have lasted forty man. Absolutely absolutely, Brian, go ahead. Sorry, you know where I'm coming from, but you have to as a host, at least for me, you have to
just shut up and let people go through their process. I found out afterwards he told me after it was over, that was the first time, like he's told pieces to his wife. He had told pieces of his encounter to his dad. He had told a piece to a good friend, but that was basically it. He had never told the entire story from beginning to end, to anybody but me. It was very important for him to get every detail because he told this is the first and only time I'm telling it,
and I'm done. I'm moving on with my life. Because it was such a traumatic experience for him, he admitted openly on the show. He's like, I tried to bury myself in a bottle, dude, Like I tried to drown it in a bottle of whiskey for a year or two after this encounter because I was so messed up from it. But in a nutshell, if you listen to the episode, it's tree knocks. He's out elk hunting with his dad. His dad goes into his area. He goes into his
area, he starts hearing woodknocks. He starts following the wood knocks, He'll stop, would knock again, He follows where the sound's coming from. This happens over the course of about thirty minutes. This goes on and it culminates with him being basically twenty feet away from this thing, stepping out behind a tree. They have this oh crap moment of do I shoot it, do I run? What do I do? It's a whole thing, but it's
a very intense encounter. But he's sitting in his pickup truck outside of his house during this interview, and he's got his phone up on the dash and I'm watching him and I'm just right into his face and his body language the whole time. And this dude was he was traumatized by this experience. So
that was one that really stuck out to me in intensity. At the end of his encounter, wood knocks are pretty common, and this is of course objective and it's probably a lot of projection, but at the end of it, he felt really upset with himself because he should have known better, because he felt like this thing was luring him in with the wood knocks. I never heard that before. I said, why do you think that, man,
And he said, because it own knocked when I stopped walking. If I stopped and I wasn't making progressive movements towards where the knock was coming from, it would knock again. I would move forward, and when I stopped again to listen, it would knock. And he felt like he was being lured in. And of course people have said, I don't believe that. I don't think he was being lowered in. That was certainly his opinion on the situation, and I'm gonna take his word for it because I wasn't there
and he was. But that's a really interesting encounter that has stuck out to me. Out of three hundred plus shows, it's hard to say what's the best or what sticks out, but just those two I think if you wanted a snapshot of what the show is really all about, it would be those two episodes. You get the celebrity part of Bigfoot, because I do interview a lot of people who are somebody in the Bigfoot community. That's part of it, but the majority of the show is about Joe Schmoe and Jane whomever
who has had really intense encounters with something that they just can't explain. And that's what is really all about for me. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. I love that. No, man, that's so good. I'm definitely gonna have those in this show. Notes Brian, what do you feel, after all these years of talking to people and probably doing some research yourself, what do you think this
creature is? That is such a tough question, man. I just literally last night I finished the last chapter of Matt Preuitz The Phenomenal Sasquatch Book. Oh yeah, those questions that Matt asks in the book still stick out to me to this day. When those two questions are we clearly know the phenomenon exists, right, bigfoot phenomenon has existed for thousands of years. But are they a real creature or do they only exist in the minds of the people
who believe that they're real. I believe that they're a flesh and blood creature. I believe that they are real. I just don't know what they are. I think they're probably some sort of the Gigantopithecus thing has been out there for a lot of years, and I've never really subscribed to that. I think it's more some sort of a possible Australia pitth the scene of some sort. Maybe I don't know, but I think it's some sort of maybe a
relict hominoid or possibly even a hominin that's existed without being detected. I can't say without being detected. It's detected one hundred times plus a year with people seeing them, but undiscovered, let's put it that way. I think it's some sort of undiscovered bipedal ape like creature that we still don't know what they are. So I love it. I'm very close to that myself. I'm right there with you, man. I'm one is a I'm in the flesh and blood camp. My caveat to that is, Hey, animals can do
weird stuff. Who's to say it can't do weird stuff too. You look at I was at the Omahazi with my family a few weeks ago. The kidnap has a way of it can sense electrical pulses through a sensor at the animal equivalent of that, and it's a snout. Who's to say that there's another creature that can't do that something like that, But it's very wild stuff. Besides, you're going to go with Todd's standing out to radium. Have you ever been on a like an actual let's take a weekend, let's go
out, let's go hardcore squatching. Have you ever done that? Or is this your first time going out with Todd? Yeah, this will be the first actual bigfoot expedition for me. Everything else for me has been on my own property. That's one of the reasons that we purchased so much property when we bought the forty acres that we own five or six years ago, is I wanted to create sort of a sanctuary for me and other like minded people
who may want to come out and just see what's out there. And I had no idea that there was even a possibility of having any kind of activity on the property. But we've had some weird stuff happen here with vocalizations and weird rock formations, possible gifting stuff that's happened, you know, But just the vocalizations alone for me would have been enough to drive me to continue to go out. I used to do tons of night hikes Once a week.
I'd go out for four or five hours and just hike after dark and explore certain areas of the property as much as I could, obviously with a headlamp or whatever. After we heard some of the vocalizations I've heard here, I stopped the night hikes, dude, because I'm like, really, oh snap, yeah, there's some I've heard some weird stuff that has just made me say, no, thank you, I'm not going outside. So listeners might know there's different types of vocalizations you can hear, like Ohio, howse stuff
like that? Are you able to describe what kind of stuff were you here in that night the majority of it started. We have a four hundred square foot tiny house, so it's a really tiny house in the middle of forty acres. It's nothing but woods around us. We have a deck out front. We put a hot tub out front, and I think it was two winters ago was the first time we had the hot tub. We're out there at midnight drinking a glass of wine in the hot tub. It's forty degrees.
I don't know. February March. There's a huge ridge behind us with about I think there's about one hundred and fifty to two hundred acres of just raw land behind us on the back of the ridge, and in that general area probably I don't know, I'm estimating a mile and a half. We could hear what sounded like Ohio Howell kind of vocalizations. Heard that several times. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, it sounds weird. Just finish up your glass of wine, go in the house and whatever. And
it wasn't something we'd hear every single night. Would be out there pretty much every night. I'd say maybe twice a week you'd hear something like that. I think that same year, so we're talking like two years ago. That same year, Like in the spring, it was still cool outside, but we have nothing but windows in the loft where we sleep in the house, so we had the windows open. I'd finished up the show, I'd had a good interview, I was writing down some show notes and things before I
went to bed. We hear probably forty yards maybe fifty yards in the woods from the house, like Ohio Howell type Howell. It ends with a bark on the end. It was super loud, to the point where I felt it it was enough to scare the shit out of Oh my goodness too, wow, it was what was that? I don't know what was that? Do you hear that? Yes? I heard that. They're like, Rian, you're the guy who talks to people about it. No, I'm not going out. I'm not going out there. And that's what people asked me
that did you go out and check? No? I did not. I did not want to see what it was. I didn't want to get any closer to than we already were. Of course, people said it was a person. No, it wasn't a person, Like I said. We found the footprint about three weeks ago on a hike, all the weird stuff, the tree breaks, the stacked full crumb type things. Found a rock formation stacked at the top of the ridge, back in the back where we stop
and usually have a snack in that area. Then literally maybe two days later, I was a guest on another show when I talked about this recently. We're in the country. I have a tendency to get up and go out on the porch and pee off the porch at three o'clock. Here you go. Yep. So I did that, And I'd never heard anything that ever resembled a tree knock until that night. It was about three point fifteen and I hear what sounds like four power knocks bam, and I'm like, what
the hell is going on? Just out of the blue, never heard it before. It was really fast, and I'm thinking, okay, it's three fifteen now. I used to live in Atlanta. Was a city of Atlanta cop right three o'clock in the morning. In Atlanta, you're alloable to hear anything. Not in Illinoorth, North Carolina? Do they roll up the sidewalks at seven thirty on the weekdays here? And this was like a Wednesday. I don't know what it could have been. I really don't like nobody's uphammering
at that time of the day. Nobody's doing construction across the ridge. I don't know, man, it was just really weird. I didn't see what did it. I would call it power knocks. It sounded like tree knocks to me, So I don't know, just really weird stuff. Have you contemplated putting up like any recorders around yourew property? I've talked about that. Doug has been after me, David Ellis has been after me for years to put it out to man, and I'm going to do it. I'm ordering
a couple of those. I'm definitely going to take some to the outing with me in October up at Radium. I'm going to order them and start using them here so I can get proficient with them and understand them. So I'm going to start doing that and putting those out on the property because it is a good idea. I would love to have some of the stuff that we've heard captured on audio. It would be amazing. But of course it's like everything else, and I'm really I've said it plenty of times on the show.
I'm apprehensive to even put it out there because I am the dude with a bigfoot podcast, and then you start talking about having things happen and people are like, I don't know about that guy. I don't know. Yeah, I get it. If people listen and people know me well enough, they know I'm nobs Like. I just put it out there, is what
it is. I don't make anything up. You'll never hear me say anything definitive about bigfoot because I don't know unless I know if I see it now, if I see it making a footprint, I'm gonna tell you, yeah, I casted that and I saw the bigfoot that made it. But otherwise I'm just gonna say it looks like a footprint. It could be could have been woodknock, I don't know. Definitely wasn't a woodpecker at three fifteen in the morning, I can tell you, Yeah, man, that'd be bad
news. Do you have any thoughts? So there's a topic that I love and I love talking to people from a love Oklahoma Saasflavee Bigfoot that that love Florida County. Do you have any thoughts about bigfoot in Oklahoma? I just love it so much, dude. I have talked to so many people recently. It's turned into the Oklahoma Area X Bigfoot podcast. It started with Daryl Collier, then it was Michael May's and then it was Brian Brown and Matt
Breut's actually coming on. Matt's coming on at the end of the month. I've got an interview schedule with him. I'm gonna get to hang out with him at the Smoking Out Bigfoot conference on Saturday, so that'll be fun. He'll be up there pedaling his books and hanging out with Cliff and I'm going to get to hang out with those guys Oklahoma Sasquatch is crazy. Man.
I just had an interview with Randy Harrington last night and oh yeah, Randy and I talked for about an hour and a half and he has got some wild encounter stories from Oklahoma luf War County, in particular at a campsite where he had his It's a crazy encounter. I don't know if you've heard it or not, or if you've talked to Randy it is. It's the one where they unzip the Is it that one? It's the one where he's in the truck. He's in the cab of his truck and he's got everything blinded
out. He's put curtains and things up to fool the sasquatch into thinking he's not in the campsite because he's there in like February. It's a whole wild story, but basically, here's rattling on the trash can. Something's picking up and pulling the cinder block off of a trash can lid and lifting it up. He looks out the front. He peeks out his little blind that he's got set up in the cab of his big dually pickup truck, and he
sees two sasquatch. Then they go around behind his truck. One of them climbs up on the bed of his truck, looking over these ladder racks of his truck. It's crazy. It's a crazy story. But that happened in a campside in Lafour County. I've talked to him before. It was after I went out with Tate last August to go squatching in Iowa and I captured something on audio where it unzips my tent. Really messed with me for a few weeks, still messes with me. And I talked to Randy and he's,
oh, yeah, they totally could unzip stuff. And I'm like, oh, man, Randy, and now you're freaking me out. That's gonna be a great episode. I'm looking forwards to that. Man, that's good stuff. Oh boy, Hey, I haven't asked this question for a long time, but you're an educated individual. I'm sure you have an awesome big foot bookshelf. What are your top three go to squatching books? That's changed
recently because I like to change it up. I would say number one on the book list is probably I'm looking at him now sasquatch legend, meat science. Nice. I do have the quantum Bigfoot it's there. It's in the rotation because I think there's some things to be gleaned there from some of the things that Ryan talks about. I think the top three would be rounded out now with Matt Brewitt's book, The Phenomenal Say is Wow, very cool. Okay, I have it right here and it's next up to be read.
I'm excited to dig into it. Buckle your seatbelt, dude, you probably ought to get your thosaurus out. Because Matt uses words that I had to look up myself. I talked to him recently. I called him about a month or so back because I've got a TV thing going on and I was interested in maybe him being a possibility of being involved in it. So I called Matt up when we were talking about something else and we started talking about
podcasting. I just came back from a conference here to North Carolina, and I told Matt, it's so funny that I have so many listeners obviously for my home state that kind of follow If they know I'm going to be somewhere in North Carolina, they try to make it out if they can. And I probably had six or eight people come up to the table, and I'd like to ask him, what's your favorite episode of the show. What do you like so much about the show? If there's one like you asked me
what stuck out to you? And without fail, I had at least six or eight people that day say that. Dude. I can't remember his name. I think it was Matt. I said, Matt Pruitt. They're like, yeah, what was that word at the beginning of the show, And I said, vera similitude and they go, yeah, verasamilitude. It's the
funniest thing because they have the Apes among Us podcast So Good. Madd had done an episode and it was right before I think it was right before he put it out, right before he came on the show the first time. A couple of years ago. I heard the episode and he does this diatribe about vera similitude. I thought it was brilliant. It was like a minute and a half. Two minutes after he came on the show. I called him up a couple of days later and I said, dude, I'm editing
your show together. I want to change the intro and I want it to be all about verisimilitude. Can I use that audio from Apes among Us and play it? Absolutely? He said, you think people will be interested in that. It's amazing how it's stuck to people. They probably still don't know what the word means, but they like it because of the way that he used it. It was part of I don't want to give anything away, but there is a part of Matt's book where vera similitude comes up and he
talks about what that means and what it means to the Bigfoot communities. I just thought it was so cool. But there are a lot of big words, and to his credit, I think he starts out the book talking about that. And that's one of the things we talked about before the book came out, when he was still getting it done. People have been telling me for years, I need to dumb down talking Bigfoot, and I'm just refusing
to do it because I don't think we have to do that. And I agree, man, I don't think dumbing it down is going to help anybody. I think it raises the bar and anybody who reads that book, and everybody I've talked to who has read that book says the same thing. It's one of the most brilliantly written books on the subject that they've ever read. And it goes into what it is, it could be, what it might be. There's so much stuff to dig into, and Matt does it in
a beautiful way as a really talented writer. So I can't wait for you to read it, and I can't wait for you to send me that text and let me know what you think about it, because absolutely see if you like it as much as I did. Man, that's a really cool top three. I like that top three. That's awesome, Brian. Let's end with this. Then you've reminded me because you mentioned the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot conference's coming up really quick, but you're doing something really cool for that. Do
you mind going over how you're going to be involved with that conference. It's a really cool thing that you're doing. Yeah, it's really interesting. It's right up my alley. It's something I've done a couple of times. I've been to that conference a couple of times as just a spectator. I went the first year in twenty twenty one. Last year we were there as a vendor, and this year, Marty and Nicky reached out to me and said,
hey, we'd like you to be a part of this. We'd like you to handle the encounters portion of the show because they had Typically I think they would do some encounters after each one of the speakers, so it's broken up throughout the program. I think it's important because there's a lot of people who want to share their encounters live in front of those people. Some people have never told their stories before and they're going to do it for the first
time on that huge stage in front of three to four thousand people. So they asked me if I would handle that, So I am at three point thirty on Saturday. I will be handling the encounter's portion. We should have some really cool encounters to be shared. I'm really looking forward to it because normally the MC does it. RPG's the MC this year again, and normally
is just something sort of an afterthought honestly that the MC handled. But to be able to actually sit down on stage let the people have their moment is really important to me. I've already had a couple of listeners actually at my show. I was talking to one. I was texting him back and forth before I got on with you, who's going to be there to tell a story? And he's I'm nervous, man, He's I don't think I could
do it if you weren't going to be on the stage. Well, I'm like, that's what it's all about, man, you don't have to be nervous. I got you, I got you back. I'm right there with you every step of the way. So I think that'll change the dynamic. That was my idea I told Marty, I think you need to have somebody as a mind on the stage walking people through it, because it is a tough thing just to hand a microphone to Joe who's never been up in front
of anybody and talking and say, hey, there you go. But when you have somebody who's willing to take that journey with them and go right along with them every step of the way physically on the stage, I think is going to make a big difference at least I hope. So I'm really excited
about it. I think you'll see if you've been there before and you've seen how it's handled in the past, I think you'll see a marked difference this year in how the encounters are highlighted and really becomes part of the show. That's really exciting people that are attending that are going to get a real treat
for sure. I've never had so many people ask me if I'm going to be at a conference that's the conference, and I had to say this year no, But we do have plans to be there for the twenty twenty four conference. Will be traveling down from Iowa to Gatlinburg, Tennessee for that just because it is such an amazing conference. So it'll be a good time in twenty twenty four. But Brian, this is such a fun chat has been
long overdue. Do you mind taking a few minutes and just anything you want to throw out there how people can keep up to date with what you're doing all that good stuff. Now is definitely the time to throw it all out there. Sure, if you want to listen to the show anywhere you listen to Bigfoot Society on any podcast app, you can get the show. We have a YouTube channel, Sasquatch Odyssey podcast on YouTube. You can check it out there. We're not just my show. There's tons of shows really,
we're the network of shows. We have the Paranormal Odyssey. In addition to Sasquatch Odyssey, I do a true crime show called True Crime Odyssey, and we've added a couple of other shows to our network. Recently, the Kentucky x Files. We've got Tyler, Denny, and Josh, and we also just had the guys from the Basement Hangout Chat and Bob joined the network. They're all going to be with me in Tennessee at the Gallinburg Conference. So
we're going to have a huge time at the booth. So if anybody's in that area and you want to come by and see us, make sure you stop by the booth. And we're the first booth on speaker row. You can't miss us. As soon as you walk out, you're gonna see us. We're gonna be right in your face right across from Seth Breedlove and those guys at Small Town Monsters where they're a huge booth. Like I said, anywhere you can get your podcast, you can check out Sasquatch Odyssey. We'd
love to have you listen. Give those other guys a listen to. They do some fantastic shows for my TikTok fans follow Sasquatch Odyssey on TikTok because they've got some he gets got some really cool stuff over there, and we need more people to be hanging out with him on TikTok. But Brian, thank you so much for coming on. This has been a great chat. Have a great rest of your night, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next. Man awesome YouTube, Jeremiah, I appreciate it. Unity