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Hey everybody, this is Less Strive. Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch outis you there? Welcome back to Sasquatch, Honust. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you've had a great week. We have an amazing guest line up for you. But as always, I want to start the show by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an Emao. You
can get me at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website and check it out, become a member there and help support this show. As I said, we've got great guest on the show. I got to sit down and talk to David from Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot, and he's here to share his personal experiences, his personal sighting of one of these creatures, and to talk about Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot and what they're doing as far as research.
He's got some really cool stories to tell about some of the things that they've done as far as camera raise and one of the habituation sites that they're working here in the United States. So I'll let you hear all about that from David in just a second. Make sure you head over to the blog at Parandormworldproductions dot com. Check out the Sasquatch out to see blog at the top of the page. I'm going to post all the photos and the link
to the video that David and I talk about in the episode tonight. But enough of that. I know you guys are here to get into it. So David's on the line. He's ready to go. You got to sit back, relax and enjoy the show. All right. I want to welcome my guest to the show. It is David from Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. Welcome to the show, David, Thanks very much, Brian, I'm happy to be here. I'm glad to have you man. So let's get right into
this Bigfoot thing. Let's talk about what got you interested in the subject of bigfoot. To begin with, it goes back, I would say around twenty sixteen. I was living in Toronto. I grew up in southern Ontario, in Hamilton, Ontario. I ended up moving to Toronto to follow my career progression where I was living in this big metropolitan area. After eight to ten years of living there, I was just really starting to find that I was really missing out on a lot of the natural areas I was able to access
when I was living further south. So I was finding I was just seeking more and more time away from the city, and I was really just craving kind of getting back to nature. So I started researching on a wildlife forum hosted by a really wonderful guy that ended up being a very good mentor of mine named Peter Smith. So I signed up on his forum that was called
the Ontario Wildlife Federation. There were a lot of tops of interests there, and primarily he was involved in researching what we're thought to have been extirpated species from Ontario, like cougars and things of that nature. There are a lot
of very interesting different threads on that forum. Some of the topics ranged very much in the vernacular of all things bigfoot, some reports coming actually from an area that was within an hour and a half drive of where I was living, So that really piqued my interest and I reached out on a personal level to Peter, who was a moderator. We started having a lot of private conversations away from the forum and stuff like that, and we sussed each other
out. I guess he'd vetted me to a certain extent at that point we thought he could trust me with some information. He started giving me some very good detailed information about where it may be good places to start investigating. Because I've alway had to baseline interest in the subject matter. My very first experience was when I had gone ahead and traveled to this particular park system in southern Ontario. He actually laid out this very what I thought was peculiar set of
instructions at the time. Because I come from a scientific background, I never really put much or had much interest in kinds of the things that were not as tangible as something I could physically see or touch. But he set me up with this mentality and this mindset that when you were going to this area, just put yourself in this mindset and be open to what you might experience. And I was like, I've got nothing to lose, and I also
try it. I had an absolutely glorious fall day all to myself down there. I had the day off and it was like a beautiful eighteen degree fall day, beautiful colors. And this park system is a very large one. It does get fairly significant fall foot traffic, but there are lots of interconnecting paths of forests and stuff that connected to the large trail system. They're called Bruce Trail system, which runs for hundreds of kilometers, so it's a natural
corridor for all kinds of wildlife to come in and out of. And this park itself is very large and has a massive supply of abundant wildlife. It's a Carolinian forest and has some very unusual floor and fauna in there that make it quite unique. Anyways, so when I got there, the trail system there that I planned to take would take me about six hours, is but
a six hour loop to complete. I put myself into this mindset that he suggested, and he said, just make yourself just project this mindset of gratitude, of openness, thankfulness that you are there and you're not there to cause any harm, You're not there to intercede in anywhere. You're just there to ingratiate yourself in the beauty of the region and open yourself up to any and all signals that you may be in receivership of So I was like, okay,
I'll do that. And I would say within twenty minutes of initiating my first leg of the trail system, I heard absolutely a very definitive knock just off the trail system. I'm guessing probably about fifty to seventy five yards ahead of me. As I'd been reading and researching on the forum, that was my first introduction that possibly that could be possible indicator that there's an animal in
the area that might be alerting others to your presence. So the first time I heard it, I was like, okay, there are woodpeckers did known to have about the same park system, there owls or other animals that could possibly be causing that. But as I continue to progress through the trail system, I would say probably every twenty minutes, if not slowly longer in that there would be another knock that would ring ou in front of me. That
continued for my entire trip through the park system. At one point when I decided to take a break about halfway through, I decided to go off trail a little bit, and there's this beautiful waterfall that you'd be able to access without too much difficulty. So I thought I would just go down there. And it was fairly muddy down there, and I thought it might be a good place to go look for an odd track or two. When I ducked down into this it was probably about a ten feet climbed down when I duck
down in this area. As soon as I got down into this little base of this waterfall, I absolutely, indefinitively heard the sound of rock clattering, like the sound of rocks being banged together, like not sharp smooth, but like a constant cup tapping, like an arrhythmic pattern. And I was like, Okay, I thought, maybe it's just maybe it's just rocks being washed
loose by the water coming down the fall whatever. But it kept happening, and then I really started to have quite an intense feeling that I was being watched. I know a lot of people who've figured they've been in proximity of the animal that they get these potentially intense feelings being watched or sometimes fear. I wasn't fearful. It was just the fact that I definitely felt I was not alone, and that made me uncomfortable to the point where I needed to
proceed and move on. So after listening to that about I would say four or five times, I'm like, Okay, this is not a coincidence. There's something definitely making this happen. There's a repetitive pattern to it. And I didn't really know the time what that meant. That's all for speculation, but at that time I tailed it out of there and made my way down the trail. By the time I lacked my way around it was, yeah, roughly about six hours. But that was the most consistent episode of tree
knocking I've ever experienced. And there have been other occasions on other trips and stuff where I've had similar experiences, but I've never heard it to that extent on the first person point of view. I've been able to capture it on audio orders and stuff, but it was amazing. Quite honestly, that was my very first what I consider to be possible Sasquatch related incident that really a
book on me. And then when I had spoken with mister Smith about what had happened, he was pretty reassuring that it's entirely possible that areas has a
longstanding history of reports and going back. When I certainly went back and I looked at a map, a cam Well file that had a lot of the earlier locations of previous reportings that that area had a large number of sightings with over the past twenty five thirty years, and to this day it's still one of our primary research sites and it is surprisingly close to large population centers, yet it is a very fruitful research center for US, a research area for
US. So that was my first little foray into what kind of got me involved in this type of research. I can relate some other events if you like, or if you want to ask anything else, Yeah, let me chim in here. That's something that I've heard so many times over the last couple of years. Because I first got into this sub I used to think it was and I've said it on the show so many times. You got to be eight miles deep in the woods to have any kind of experience with
these things, because they are so far back into the woods. That's why most people never see them. But the more that I've done this show and the more that I've talked to people about their experiences, it seems they're more on the periphery of major areas. In some cases where there's a huge population
of people, so that doesn't surprise me at all. But I do want to talk a little bit about the knox that you heard in the rock clacking before we move on, because sure, that's something that I wasn't really up on. I'd heard people talk about tree knocks, and I honestly I thought it was something made for TV. To be quite honest with you, I thought it was something that was born on finding Bigfoot, because I've said that
on the show Pill many of the times before. It can be very boring when you're running around in the woods at night, so they had to have something. So they start yelling, they start screaming, and they start doing tree knocks, right because it looks great on television. But the more that I've gotten into the research and talk to people, it is a common occurrence.
I'd had experience here on the property. We'd heard some weird vocalizations, but just until I don't know five months ago, had never heard anything that even resembled a tree knock. And then I here four power knocks one night at three o'clock in the morning. It was very distinct. I'd never heard anything like it, and hadn't heard anything up until a certain point in the
beginning of October. It was something that stuck out to me because again I live in an area where we're very remote here, but we're ten minutes from town, so they roll up the sidewalks here. And this is like three o'clock in the morning on a random Tuesday. So I knew nobody was up banging on their house. Nobody's hammering on building something. It wasn't somebody shooting
off fireworks. It was nothing like I'd ever heard before until I was recently up in BC, Canada last month at the beginning of the month on an expedition with tide standing in the radium area, and we hear wood knocks during the day. I interacted with these things on a couple of occasions, I believe in the middle of the day, eleven o'clock in the morning till noon one o'clock. They're very distinctive. We heard woodpeckers. There was woodpeckers in
the area. We heard them. I hear them here. We have them on our property. We have those huge woodpeckers that make those extremely loud noises. It's a completely different sound. Todd has this theory and Kyle and some of the other people I was would have a theory that it's not a stick on a tree, it's a rock on a tree. And when I heard it there from just a one hundred yards away, I felt that as well.
I felt like that sounds more like a rock or something hitting a tree versus picking up a big stick or even a bat or something hitting a tree. Can you talk a little bit about what you were hearing? Was it more the rock on wood kind of sound? Can you describe a little bit more in detail what you were hearing As far as the woodknock, I would say it sounded more kind of a tonality of the sound of a knock. I think in that case it was more likely wood on wood, just the
timber of the resulting sound. I do understand what you're saying. I've heard other instances too, where I've captured audio where it sounded perhaps more it was something the heart to implement that was used on the tree. But then again, one interesting point relating to that is I remember listening to report where somebody who was saying that they were being shadowed out when they were on an investigation
and they were hearing knocks. As there are proceedings to the forest but what was interesting is that they're saying the knocking sound was consistent in pitch and timber and everything else, and that would be impossible to replicate if you're doing wood on wood, because the density is of one tree to another, and the stick or whatever implemented be carrying, especially as wood, would result in a much greater variation to assume. So yeah, it's entirely possible they're using stones.
When I first started really getting into audio, which is something that I started quite early for the same reason that a lot of the other researchers mentioned is that they wanted to have something tangible to look at and take away from
their on site investigations. And one of the best video series that I've ever watched was a lot of stuff that Christopher Nowell did where he especially was pointing out and was demonstrating through Google Earth and stuff when he was living in is I believe at that time he was living in Vermont, but he was showing how he was even managing to find activity in these little tiny like one mile by one mile pockets of forest, and he would go out there and camp
in nothing other than a sleeping bag and an audio recorder, and he was capturing these incredible tree knocks and these incredible percussive sessions, and a lot of them were very rhythmic in nature, and for me, I think it's more believable that this tree knocking phenomenon is real because through fairly recent research and ongoing research, it has been discovered and found that chipanzees and other primeates do the
same thing. They absolutely partake in drumming sessions. They're even intelligent enough, especially hunting parties of Chenil, actually leave ground markers denoting the direction where if they need reinforcements, if they're going to advantage an adjacent troop or something, they're smart enough to do that. So god knows how much farther ahead in the thought processes are potentially dig foot or sasquatch. And I did very much
enjoy your episodes with Todd Standing. They're very interesting. I've always had a particular interest in what's been going out there in that part of Albert ever since is documentary and from what it sounded like, he's putting together another one with some further evidence that he's mannered to put together, So I look forward to seeing that. Yeah, there's a lot more of that to come. I'm still going through the audio trying to put together those episodes. There's plenty of
video as well that I took while I was up there. But one of the interesting things that came out of that was talking to him about some of the things that other people have experienced, interviewing other people that have been up there in that area on expeditions with him experience in some of the various things that I experienced. We heard what sounded like samurai chad or in the woods nearby base camp. We heard whoops, we heard the tree knocks, just
all the things that people talk about when they talk about encounters. One of the things I'm battling and we're certainly not going to go down the rabbit hole, is how remote that area is and people they're coming out with there could have just been people in the woods doing that. It wasn't sasquatch that you
were hearing. It was possibly people. Until you get out into these areas, and I've certainly not been the area that you guys are researching in because it's a completely different area, but I'm sure it's very similar in some areas that are that remote. When you get out into that area, and it goes back to what you were saying about the feeling that you were having. We were having some activity go on, and we ended up taking a night walk one night, and the feeling that I had then was very much like
you said. It wasn't necessarily a fear. It was more like adrenaline. I was shaking uncontrollably because I felt like we were very close to something that maybe we weren't supposed to be so close to. It's very difficult to describe that feeling if you haven't been in that So when you were relating that story and you had that feeling of being watched and having that feeling, it was coming back to me because I just freshly experienced it less than a month ago
in the woods there. So let's talk about some of your other experiences. I know that hasn't been the only thing that you've experienced out in the woods. Let's talk about once you're getting out, you're doing the research, and you're getting back out into the woods, what are the things have you experienced with these creatures? Could relate a personal story of mine that I experienced on my own. It was completely just a happenstance occurrence in an area that I
really had no predilection that there would even be anything in the area. I thought further to the south. The area I'm referring to is called the Bruce Peninsula, which runs up along Lake here on one of the Great Lakes, and it's this vast peninsula that juts out. It's on either side of the major highway that runs up there, primarily unexplored land. There are some cottages, intermittent cotages and stuff along there, but it's still pretty wild. There's
a lot of various types of wildlife. There's a lot of rattlesnakes, bears, all kinds of stuff. But anyways, I'd gone up there because off the very very tip of that point of the peninsula there is a marine park called Thotland five from marine Park, and because the water is so cold up there, it's preserved a number of very old shipwrecks there amazingly well. And I'm an avid diver. I was up there late in August, and I
was up there visiting a couple of friends who'd rented a cottage. Probably I would say about a fifteen minute walk outside of a town called Tobermory, which is a very beautiful picturesque little town at the tip of the peninsula that's really popular for tourists and divers and stuff. I had spent the late afternoon and evening hanging out with my friends down at the beach there at their cabin. I knew I had to get up quite early the next morning to prep for
my dive. I had to be up around six o'clock, so I started heading back well, Nash, I guess it's probably around ten thirty or whatever. So I was walking back along this road that followed pretty much followed the water's edge, and the little motel I stayed at was not even that far out of town. I'm guessing maybe five minute walk. It was just a little two level kind of mom and pop run hotel, nice little place at a very large asphalt parking lot. There I probably was. I would estimate
maybe fifty feet deep by one hundred feet wide, good sized lot. And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. We'll be right back after these
messages. So when i'd come around the corner towards the end of my walk, when I was getting back to my hotel, and as soon as I rounded the corner, there was this big, large stand up oil oil barrel drum garbage can that was placed I'm guessing maybe twenty five feet from the front office that was sitting right on a concrete pad right beside the driveway, and there was two spotlights that were back lighting that garbage can that were placed at
the basically attached to the bottom of the second floor, shining down over the parking lot. And it is when I as soon as I came around that corner, when I was starting walking towards my room, this large, huge, black furry figure. I couldn't see its head yet, I couldn't see its arms yet, but its head was and shoulders never more completely enscones inside
the barrels like rubbishing through this garbage can. But I could hear it like just rustling through everything, and I'm looking at the backlet of it, and the shoulders when they did come out, we were just massive. So as I started walking towards it, I just froze, like after about maybe walking five or six feet, and then the thing stopped rummaging, and it pulled itself out and pulled its head and its shoulders out of the can, and
it realized it was spotted. It realized they'd been made right, and it stood up. When it stood upright, the top of its head was just below the light on the hanging off the second story, and its shoulders were maybe, I don't know, maybe five six feet wide. It was massive. Its chest and its back just blurret out so much of a light radiating from the spotlight. And it stood there and it looked at me for a second. I couldn't, unfortunately, couldn't see any detail on its face.
All I could see was the shape of its head and the widths and the breadth of its shoulders and the bulk of its torso. And it sat there and it looked at me for about two seconds. It wasn't thinking about what it was doing. It wasn't sniffing the air like a bear would or anything like that. And it bolted across that parking lot. I swear to God, in the span of about a second and a half, it was gone like that. You hear people say these things move like ninjas are their fast.
I've never seen anything move that fast in my life ever. So I was taken aback. I was like, did I really just see what I thought I saw? And I'm ruminating in my mind, what would a bear have done? How would a bearer have reacted? And then it's and so a bear would have probably would have stared me down a little bit more and decided if it was going to stay and eat. It probably would have lingered
a little bit more. But this thing stood completely upright. Its arms were draped down by its side, and I don't think there's any bear that would remotely be that big, and it had the classic shape of a bigfoot right because I could see just the outline if it's the space between its arms and its torso, and I could see the arms hanging down. And then it bolted like that it was gone, And I'm like, I don't know anything
that can move that fast. Anything. Yeah, for me, Like and in there, I was like, oh my god, so probably never happened again. Even if I do intendally go look for it, even if I'm out looking for it all the time my spare time, I will likely never
see it again. Yeah. After me, I slipped over from wondering about knowing to coming to a conclusion that if I'm right, if I in fact I'm right, but based on all the sensory input I have, I can't conclude that it was anything else, and I'm trying to be skeptical about it myself. It blew me away. Yeah, I was blown away. I was blown away by it, and I was just so taken a dot because it was so unexpected. That's usually how it happens, right when you're not
looking for it. It's most likely when you're going to see it right. That's exactly what everybody says. It's like the people who go out in the woods and look for forty years and they never see a bigfoot, and then somebody's driving along a highway and they almost hit it with the car because it steps out in front of them. It's the craziest shit in the world.
Man, I cannot wrap my brain around it. These elusive creatures. You're out doing research in remote areas, you're hearing wood knocks and having things go on. But you literally walk around the corner and this thing's digging through a trash can. And that's not the only story I've ever heard. One of the most famous stories I've ever heard was this thing was digging through a trash can outside of a casino out West. I can't even remember who told me
the story. It all seems to run together after a while. But again, you're not deep in the woods. You're in an area where you would not expect to see this thing, and then boom, there it is. It's the craziest thing in the world. Talk a little bit about how you got involved in seeking Ontario's bigfoot. I've been looking and poking around on the website today. I'm seeing a ton of pictures of it. Looks like some
really cool tree structures and that stuff. So talk a little bit about what that website is, what you guys are all about, and how you got
involved in that. Sure my pleasure. Really, this organization was born out of the common mindset of the three primary founders who discovered each other through the ONTARIOWFR, which is the previously mentioned wildlife research group that was established by mister Peter Smith, and the name of that organization was intentionally used to direct attention away from the fact that primarily it was a research group involved in bigfoot research.
But he didn't want to draw any unnecessary attention to the organization and perhaps bring any potentially negative attention or people have their preconceived ideas if they made their own minds up about membership in such an organization, right. It was through that organization and a couple group outings that were organized through the OWFR that myself, Kevin Tracy, and John Paul Fournier met each other and we had our
first research outing together at a rather large provincial park. Yeah, we just hit it off on a personal level. We all agreed that we needed to start a chapter that was more centrally based out of southern Ontario because the other organization had very strong representation in northern Ontario. However, there wasn't much representation
in the south. So at that point in time, we're like, we're going to form our own organization and start concentrating on procuring membership and conducting research closer to home essentially, and much to our surprise and much to our delay, after a lot of research and a lot of conversations, the area's closest to us, we're actually some of the most prolific investigative places to go and conduct our research. So basically, a strong binding component of our organization is
one of legitimacies. As you can see if you go to our site, which is Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot dot com, you can read our mandate and the fact that we're trying to do is we're trying to work in cooperation with the scientific community as best we can to bring further legitimacy to this subject matter and hopefully once and for all, try to shine a light on the reality of the existence of this animal. Basically, we're in it for helping to shine
a light on, hopefully on this discovery and protection. That's really what we're all about. And I think what really a separates us maybe for some other groups, is the fact that we really place a strong value on We have a strict code of ethics and stuff that we require all members to sign off
on. We have non disclosure agreements, so we always make sure that, for example, of the chain of custody for any evidence and stuff that we were able to procure, it is kept in a very controlled and censored manner because we want to be control of our message. You want to be controlled of what we put out there. And we're not in it for any profiteering. We're not in it for any type of monetization or selling a product or
anything like that. This is primer we're coming out of primarily from an interest in science and an interest in technology too. One of the great things about the time that we're living in as far as researchers go, is that a lot of the technology we use has come down so much in price, and we have access to incredible camera arrays, drones and all this technology just makes
it all the more interesting for us and hopefully all the more productive. Let's talk a little bit about some of the evidence the photographs that you guys have on the website. Here, it looks like some really intricate, really interesting looking tree structures. I see what looks like an a on the ground here. It looks like some maybe even some shelter. Can you talk a little bit about some of the evidence that you guys are finding, because the tree
structures are something that we're again very prolific. When I was up in the Radium area, we were seeing tons of tree breaks and I'm using my air quotes here for those that are listening the tree breaks again, it was almost like the tree knocks for me. Initially, when I got into this research, I didn't know about the tree breaks, and I, frankly I still don't. I've done a ton of research. I'm in the middle of writing
my book. I'm trying to get that done by the end of the month, and I'm doing a lot of research on tree breaks and how those things happen naturally. Are you guys finding the tree breaks in addition to some of these tree structures. Can you talk a little bit about what you guys are
finding as far as evidence out there. I think one of the most interesting aspects and one of the most interesting things that we seem to be finding on a repetitive basis, and I think we're starting to piece together some patterns of behavior, at least what we're seeing locally. I can't speak to that effect if this is something that is seeing another part of our country or our country, but as a general underlying theme, yes, I can go online and
find tree structures in Texas or Alabama, or Alaska or British Columbia. They tend to look the same. And we've managed to break these various types of structures down into a number of different categories. We actually have a companium of images that we did put together and subclassify them and put together a series of
images that we can see. There's repetitive theme over and over again. Whether there are symmetrical shapes, we continually see a pattern of an a almost like an a shape, whether it's woven into a bush or a tree or lying on the ground, it seems to be a repetitive theme. We don't really know what it means. Some of the more interesting things we've noticed, especially it tends to revolve around our camera arrays and our camera traps that we have
set out. So one interesting thing that we've noticed on a number of occasions is that when we're going up to service the camera, on a number of occasions, we've actually managed to find like little piles of rocks stack stones on opposite sides. Basically it as far wide as which the camera ray would be able to see. What we think these piles of stones are their demarcentations stating I'm purely applying my line of thought here, I'm drawing my own conclusions.
But we've seen this a few times where they're placing rocks denoting the very outside extent of where the camera can see, almost as if do not go within this area, stay clear of this, walk around behind it. And similar to that, we've also found on a lot of occasions we've seen small branches broken into like the shape of a divining rod, which has it almost looks like an why with an extended lower portion of it invertedly placed on branches on
opposite opposite sides where the cameras are, so another pretty subtle visual. But again these things Christopher Nowell makes these amazing connections, thinking that perhaps they have an identic memory of their environment that they essentially can almost take a mental picture of everything in their territory, and anything that's remotely out of place, they will notice it immediately. So their ability to detect normalists objects or changes in
their environment is something I think they absolutely have the ability to do. These are things that we've noticed with our camera traps. Other things we've noticed are absolutely on a lot of the ridgelines and stuff that we believe that they're traversing,
whether they're accessing additional seasonal food sources. We tend not to rely so much on breaks as we do twists, so we see a lot of instances where these branches will have been grabbed and then a strong amount of torque would have been applied to it to literally twist the branches either ninety degrees one hundred eighty degrees, usually less, but you can see literally where it looks like if you've ever seen wrought iron bar on a decor of wrought iron bar on
a piece of patio or something like that where it's been twisted, clearly like that. But the width of these branches that have been twisted are well away beyond anything a human could do. And we're talking with places where there's no machinery getting in there. It's just not And what we could literally follow a line of these going along like every I would say, we found consecutive lines of them about twenty five twenty to twenty five yards apart, and a continuous
line all pointing in the same direction. They'd be twisted over twisted and all pointing in the same direction. So what that indicates we don't know. Are they saying stay on this side, don't go on that side, or go on that side. We're still trying to figure that out. But what's amazing is the consistency of the manipulations in the environment that they do. They're absolutely leaving clues for each other. It's just for us to try to decide for
what they mean. It's all open to interpretation. We come across and we've actually even put together a little book. Can I mention a little booklet that we put together people after we made a compendium of all these different types of structures that we've seen all across the province, we put together a little ebook that's available on Amazon if anybody's interested, and basically it's an outline of the different structures that we found and there's a probably i would say eight to ten
examples in each subcategory. So we have them broken down into like teepee structures, glyphs, miniature glyphs. So we have these photographs of these little tiny, like the most intricately created little small like some of these structures are only even eight twelve inches tall, but clearly they're not been made by hands. There's no way that they could have fallen into this. Literally you'll have a little tiny log with all these little ribs sticking up against it and then braces
extending vertically at the bottom of it. It's really quite amazing. So we're always looking out for structures. That's something that helps us substantiate and will document them, and we try to go back and we may manipulate them slightly to see if that invokes any change whether they come back and but a back the way it was, and a lot of times if we made a change, we come back like a week later and it's completely gone. They've torn it
right down. We've even't had numbers of like urinated on them, just to see what would happen, right, And when that happens, the structures ripped down, like almost immediately. The next time we're there, it's gone. What does that mean again? Right? Are they territorial markers? Do you guys see a lot of that stuff down where you are, like down south? I'm sure you must. There are things that we found here on the property that I can't explain. Weird structures, teepee like structures, of course,
some of the tree breaks. There's areas where trees are propped up on other trees, woven behind trees, stuck between trees. There's no root ball for these trees. They were brought from whatever area they came from initially. Weird stuff like that. Again, I saw the same thing up in the radium area. I'm just scratching my head. We found that one structure on
the day before the last day of our expedition. There's this four hundred year old Douglas fir with these three huge, eighty foot tall trees that were on three sides of it. They were literally touching at the top, and there's no rootball for them. They were placed there. They were picked up off the ground and placed on this tree. It just baffles me. And again, like you said, why in the hell if it is a sasquatch,
why are they doing it? You wrap your brain around the fact that it wasn't a person, It didn't fall that way, so you get to the conclusion of I have to say it's possible that a sasquatch did it, And then I'm scratching my head, going, why in the hell would they do that? I don't get Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you guys mentioned in that episode that somebody had taken a compass reading and two of the tree is plaiting like dead north and dead south. So yeah, again,
like, how would they do that? Even if in a general direction, I can say that's north, but I mean, I'm gonna be a little bit off that's south. I'm going to be a little bit off. These things were dead on spot on north and south, no question about it. And then the other one was like southeast, which didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, But who knows. Why it was placed there. If it is a Sasquatch, it probably made perfect sense to them to
do whatever they were doing with it. Have you ever heard of any any relation to them orientating themselves to like mad magnetic lay lines, Like I've heard some kind of far out theories that I know. They say UFOs have a tendency sometimes to follow lay lines. But I've also heard the similar thought processes about bigfoot, Like some people haven't claimed that's why they're so attractive power lines too, Like maybe there's some maybe they're able to draw some of the energy,
some ambient energy out of those lines or something. Or I know, it makes sense to follow them as a corridor because most often the power lines they're cutting other side, so it's a very easy travel corridor, very good place to ambush deer or whatever. But same thing, like there's a lot of speculation that they're drawing to energy source and stuff too, But again, like how do you prove something like that? It's just we probably never will,
I know. You guys also take reports. Have there been any reports that have stuck out to you? Maybe not your own personal experiences or maybe even people that you know, but are there any reports that you've taken maybe encounter stories that have really stuck out to you in the area that may be
unique to that area. Yeah. Actually I was surprised to find this report at all, but it actually goes back to nineteen seventy six, and it turned out it's in the same region that we've been investigating for four years now, and that was just when I read this report, I was like, this is just so fantastical, it's hard to believe. But at that time there wasn't all the huge chat rooms and that I think it was a lot less likely to probagate a story like that. This is probably taken from a
police report or something originally and then it was posted later. So apparently, and I'm not a big proponent of the UFO Bigfoot connection. I'm not. I'm open minded, but that would take some real convincing of my part. Unsts they literally saw Bigfoot being so up in a tractor beam or something I have a hard time believing. But anyways, this report revolves around something just
like that. Apparently it was a young brother and sister that were exploring this provincial park, and I believe the boy was around fifteen and the sister was around thirteen, and they were hiking in this park and it was just on the onset, just past the breaking point of dusk, and it just was just on the onset of darkness. And they were walking back to the parking lot to go get back on their bikes. Apparently they'd locked up there or
something. And they're walking back and they're looking up in the sky and they noticed this very bright light in the sky coming down closer and closer. It wasn't coming towards them, per se, but it was just covering down, coming down from a much more elevated location, and they saw this large purple beam that was being projected down onto the ground. And they're looking at it
from a fair distance away. It sounds like the way they're describing it, they're probably like one hundred yards away or something that and then they're watching this. What they described is the thing they saw in that episode of the six million Dollar Man. There was an episode of The six dollars six million dollar Man. Going my way back where Bigfoot was is in one of those episodes,
and I guess that's where the kids saw this caricature or whatever. And they said, that's what looked like this thing was being dragged up or vacuumed up through this beam of light into the ship. And stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, it was all like very quiet. There was no noise, The ship was perfectly solid. Once it was tractored up into the ship, the thing just took right off and that was it. And we were talking to the young kids.
And kids have great imaginations, they do, but that seems really specific to me, and that seems like such a highly unusual combination of ingredients for a story for kids at that age. I'm not even sure if in Search of was out yet or anything like that. How much Bayfoot was part of vernacular back then, Probably not very much at all. But for kids to come up and fuck destroyer like that is just that's a stretch for me. Yeah, that's wild man. So I want to go back to something you said
earlier on. I made some notes as you were talking. You mentioned the mindset that Peter Smith had told you to go into the woods with. So I want to touch on that a little bit because as I was making the note, I thought that sounds familiar to me because I've had conversations with other people who do that very thing. Wayne and I just recorded an episode of that Bigfoot podcast recently and we were talking about it on there that we both
do that. We actually released that. As we're talking today on that Bigfoot podcast, we were talking about woo and telepathic communication, Bigfoot mine speak, and those kind of things. When you said the right mindset going in, Wayne and I both openly admitted that we talked to Bigfoot when we go into
the woods. I've done it with UFOs. I have put that out there with experiences I've had earlier on in life and then later in life where you've had some weird lights and other things go on over the property that I think maybe related to UFOs. I put it out there into the universe. I think manifestation is a powerful thing, no matter what you're talking about. Talk
a little bit about that. Is that something that somebody would consider who as far as your approach to going into this or is it more about just manifesting those kind of feelings and thoughts as you go into the woods looking for these things. Good question. We had this discussion in our organization about two years ago, where at that time we were having a serious conversation about we should split up into two distant groups. We should have one that's purely science based.
Let's work on conditioning the animal to our presence. Let's make ourselves as predictable as possible. Let's condition the animal with inserting even fake cameras into their areas so they get acclimated to them, at which point we'll swap them out later with the real thing. You know, because essentially our membership was split
up in those two mindsets anyways. One was very dedicated to pursuing purely as scientific and the other half was very curious about the other possibilities, in the possibility of perhaps being able to elicit a response based on what it is we're projecting mentally. That was a discussion we had, and I thought it would have been a very interesting experiment to see who would have gotten better results.
Right, We were going to do that. We were going to have half work group go out and conduct some night vigils and stuff, doing that projecting some positivity, projecting some willingness for contact, perhaps playing some very soothing instruments, anything to elicit interest, and in the end we were going to see who came out on top. Came out on top, but whose results proved
to be more effective. Unfortunately, that never came to pass. Unfortunately, with COVID and everything that happened to shut everything down for everybody, we never really did it. We never really were able to conduct that experiment. But I think it's definitely something we'd still like to do. I think it's absolutely
worthwhile trying, because I know Less Stroud in one of his episodes. I think it was the one when he was down Monopolysia, when he was sitting in the woods by himself, and I believe it's towards the end of the episode where he was saying he was feeling rather spooked and stuff. I think after he'd finished going through the cemetery or whatever. But later on he professed that he'd had absolutely a mind speaking episode with a Sasquatch at that time that
she just didn't feel comfortable releasing at the time. And I don't know if he's ever actually really officially admitted to it in an episode, but that's what I've heard, so I think it's truly you said. I think manifestation is a huge part of anything. I think, how do you explain precognition? How do you explain a lot of these things? Right? I had pret cognition of a message I got yesterday, like three hours before I got it, and it was exactly the message I literally saw in my mind before I
even got it, and I can't explain how it even happened. Yeah, have you ever? Are you aware of any groups that really concentrate on that type of that type of tactic too to conduct the research? Is there anyone? I think most people go out it from heard science, and I think most of us don't catch as much as maybe we could, or aren' as successful as we possibly could. I don't know any groups that really concentrate on that other than Todd standing Todd and Ashley Big into the mind speak and the
telepathic communication with Sasquatch. And I'll be honest, the first person that really made me look at it twice was less Less Stroud. I had Less on the show and Less talked about I think he shared with me at least three times he had some sort of a mind speak Oh is that right? Situation? And he said he doesn't even like the word. He actually said to me on the show. Let's not call it mind speak, Let's call it
what it is. It's telepathic communication, it's selecto. So if we believe that could happen in science with people having that connection, why is it not possible for Bigfoot and people to have that connection? Now he was about a half a bottle of wine when we had this conversation. I can ask the obvious question, what did they say? The one that stuck out to me
was he was in a situation where he was out by himself. He had a mind speak telepathic communication with a sasquatch saying if you want to meet us, stay. He wasn't ready, so he left and he said no, thank you. And he still kicks hisself in the ass every day because he says, now, looking back, I wish I had stayed, but I didn't because I wasn't ready at that point. And again, it was probably two other situations he told me about. Less is not a bullshitter, right,
He's not somebody that was going to bullshit me about his situation. And I don't think he's crazy, So I don't think it was his own voice that he heard. I think he had something going on. It's a bridge too far from me in a lot of ways, because I haven't experienced that myself. I talked about it openly when I was up there with Todd and Ashley and those guys. They were working on it instantly. They were working
on meditation. There was a couple of times when we actually went out into the woods as a group and individuals and we meditated to have that sort of connection. And we try to do that here on the property of have a connection with nature and grounding and taking your shoes off and grounding with the earth. I think that's a very powerful thing. They're having experiences that I didn't have. Todd has had what he believes to be precognition experiences with sasquatch.
He believes that he can mind speak with them and they mind speak with him. I don't knock it. I've said it before, you know, if that's his experience, and I can tell you people who think he's bullshitting, if you spend seven days with him in the woods like I did, you can see he's one hundred percent serious about it. Now, it may be nothing. It could be a nothing burger, and he's not experienced in anything outside of his own brain. But whatever the experiences are, he believes that
they're happening. So it's just something I can't I can't wrap my head around because I haven't had those experiences. I'm open to it. I'm just more of a nuts and bolts kind of OCAM's razors approach to the situation. So I want to know what I can hear, what I can smell, what I can see for sure, those kind of things. But again, when you have somebody like Less, we're talking for an hour and he's telling me these experiences he had, and then you layer it on top of other people
that I trust, that I believe are sharing real experiences. Maybe there's a there. I don't know, but I think it's a very interesting thing, and I think it's very smart to open yourself up and at least be open to the conversation when you're doing a research group like that. Very much like
you were talking about doing do the nuts and bolts thing. But I've said it before, We've been doing nuts and bolts for fifty to sixty years and we're nowhere exactly they were no further at the we word like the late sixties, right, really, so you really need to start opening up your mind. Who knows if that stuff works, then so be it. I'm all for it. I want to be proven wrong. Maybe mine speak is the thing, and maybe that's the way to reach the Sasquatch. We just haven't
gotten there yet because nobody's really doing that. Who knows, Maybe none of it's right. You got to think, if there are two people who are more in tune with themselves than probably Less and Todd, who spent probably more time in more remote places than anybody I could think of, surely they're in control of their own thought processes. I don't see that being manifestation of self induced delirium or something like that. To be able to survive in the environments
that they have takes such mental discipline. I don't see that being manifestation of themselves. I think maybe they're just more into Maybe they're just developed this amazing antenna from spending so much time in nature. Maybe that's just something that takes. Yeah, because everybody that I've really had a conversation outside of people that are just really out there that claim to have some sort of a telepathic communication
situation with Bigfoot, have been just that. It's been Less. He was really the first person that I had a conversation with about that that really he piqued my interest and said maybe I need to start taking a look and be open minded about that. That was one of the things he challenged me to do is be more open minded, So I did. Then I had a conversation a few months later with Todd for the first time he started talking about it. And then I go up and spend time in Radium and Ashley,
his girlfriend and research partner. Her Instagram handle I think is nature Infused. She is one of the mostly empathic, grounded into the earth kind of individuals that I've ever met. And again, she's very empathy, and she claims to have these sort of connections with Bigfoot. So either they're all batshit crazy or there's something to the connection with nature right, And I don't think they're crazy. I think there is a there that I just haven't been able to
tap into for whatever reason. Maybe I'm just so ingrained in the flesh and blood that I'm not open to it enough to accept it at this point, I don't know. And then it could all be bunk them. If sasquatch doesn't exist, then you're and I'm crazy, and everybody who says they've ever seen one as crazy. But at the end of the day, I think I have to keep my mind open to it, and I love to be wrong. I'm one of those proved me wrong kind of people, and I'm
not going to keep beating the same drum. I'm going to be right there with you. If you prove I'm wrong and telepathic communication with a bigfoot is a thing, then I'm going to be right there singing your praises if you're the one who figures that out and pushes the research down the field, Because it's really to me, it's all about the answers, and I don't really care how we get there. I just want the answer exactly. Let's talk
about the website. I'm going to link to everything in the show notes for everybody go check out Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot dot com. I will link to the ebook as well on Amazon for you guys to check out and talk about the YouTube channel. What can people expect when they go over and check you guys out on YouTube? So our YouTube channel, basically, we're just a lot of it is. We're just taking you along for a seven to ten minutes walk along with us. In some cases are there. Sometimes we're just going
through and explaining the finance that we've had on particular field heading. What we're doing is we're putting what we find out there for people to consume at their discretion. And what we always emphasize is you make up your own mind. You decide if what has validity in your mind or not. We're not pushing a narrative, we're not pushing merchandising or anything like that. We're just sharing what we find with the general public, and that's really what we're about.
We're just trying to push the ball down on the field and we've just had some pretty interesting observations. We made some pretty interesting discoveries, some usual structures that mimic. For example, in one video we have we're making a comparison between some structures that we find that are immediately adjacent to the backyard the backyards of a number of houses long a servine system, and we found this structure. I was within visual range of this jungle gym in this person's backyard.
It was made out of this cross sections of that have been well together and stuff like that, and kind of a geodesic dome shape. And when we looked at the structure that we'd found, it's wow, this is actually amazing. This is a striking resemblance of that structure in that backyard. Are they
actually mimicking what they're seeing? And then as we continued down on this trail system towards the end of the evening, we'd found another very interesting example at the end of a just within the end of the dead end street that was backing on this massive ravine system. Similar thing, all of these sticks that have been bowed over and pulled over and interwoven into this definitely not a naturally
occurrent shape, absolutely not. And then sure enough, like there was a house under construction at the end of the street and in the front there was a big hollowood that I was sitting that was in a very similar pattern, And I'm like, monkey, see monkey, do really are are they trying to show us? Are they trying to communicate with us? Are we're trying to say, hey, look, I see what's going on there? Can
you see what's going on here? Or I don't know, It's just it was an interesting parallel that it was just an interesting parallel that we actually came across one day and it was like, wow, that's interesting. Let's just put that on our channel to what other people think. Yeah, we have a pretty compelling Probably the most one of the most recent videos they put up
was this picture that we managed to capture in Pennsylvania. We not only have investigative sites in Ontario, but we have what we strongly suspect is a habituation
site in Pennsylvania. And we've been monitoring this really lovely families property in rural Pennsylvania for about three years now, and they've had an individual that seems to regularly transgress on their property on an ongoing basis, like everything from peeking in through their windows that are at that time, to banging on their trailer out front, to building structures on the rear side of their property. They actually
had another track to land beside them that they were clearing out. They had hired actually a bunch of Mennonites to come in with their horses to come in and cl the dead wood and the dead heads out of this property because they wanted to clear it out. And within three days of them going in there, the horses refused to go back into that track of land and they were like, we can't do this job for you. Our horses are terrified of something in there. They won't go in there. And these are big draft
horses, like they've never seen anything like it. They've never seen this ever happen before. The animals they were just dumbfouted, but they're like our horses simply refused to go in there. And this was the property that was like abutted right up against this familial property. The owner of the house happened to capture that picture in twenty twenty two on their cell phone. They were sitting
out in the backyard and this animal passed by. I don't know if you can see it, but it looks like upright animal in profile right you can actually almost see like a cheap bone, a jaw line. It's the best photographic evidence we've been able to get so far. I think it's a pretty compelling picture myself, but I definitely agree. I watched the video a couple of days ago, and I will link to that on the blog. If you guys want to see the video, I'll link directly to the YouTube channel.
You can head over to Panamoral Productions dot com. Check that out on the Sasquatch outa Sea blog. It's a pretty compelling video that kind of breaks down what's been going on the property and then it just culminates with that particular picture. I'm looking at it now. It's definitely compelling. Man. I wish it was higher resolution, but it was an old Samsung camera. But
still there's pretty good. He can certainly make out some potentially some facial detail and a profile, right, It's not conclusive, but it's definitely compelling, that's for sure. Yeah. Oh, actually, we just actually got another photo recently where there's also a very similar profile standing on their front porch.
They just put up a bunch of Christmas lights and stuff like that under their front on it in the front of their house, and there's this great, big profile there looking towards their front door, and all you can see is from the shoulders up, but it's massive. One of the co founders stood in the same location, or that was standing, and he's either six one or six too, and he's a big guy, and this thing just warsome.
So we're really hoping to get lucky with that location. We have some long term audio recorders called Audio Models that we bought from a UK based Just Scientific basically developed this whole line of inexpensive audio gear for long term audio recording to enable a wildlife biologists to buy reasonably price geared to do long term surveys, which is just amazing. So we have one of those running down on there, and we have camera systems running down there, so we're hoping to
capture something better yet, but damn interesting photo that it is. Man, David, I really appreciate you stopping by and giving us the time that you gave us and sharing your experiences. Had a blast talking to you, ma'am. Thanks Man, I really appreciate it was a lot of fun for me. And I have to say it, I'm fairly recent to your show, maybe about two months ago, but I've gone back and I've listened the whole catalog and I really enjoy it. You're definitely one of the best ones out
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