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it out, become a member there and help support the show. If you listened yesterday today I put out Mike's original episode which was back gosh March of twenty twenty one. He was episode nine of Sasquatch Odyssey, and I got to sit down with Mike again recently and talk about some of the amazing encounters and experiences and some of the evidence that he's capturing up in Kentucky in the Land between the Lakes. I'll let Mike get into all of that in just
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have you join us on the Sasquatch Odyssey Fans group on Facebook. You can find those links right here in the show notes for this episode. But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to get into it. Mike's on the line, He's ready to go. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome my guests back to the show. It is Mike from Kentucky. Welcome to the show. Man, Hey man, great to be back. I know we were just reminiscent. It's
been a while. I couldn't believe that it had been March of twenty twenty one. You were Episode nine of Sasquatch Odysses. I appreciate you coming back and sharing your new experiences. We don't have to get into what got you into Bigfoot. If anybody wants to know about that, they can go back and listen to episode nine. Let's just get right to the meat and potatoes and talk about your recent experiences with these things. Yeah, so, I'm not gonna not be in the woods. That's been a part of my life,
my whole life. So we kept at it. Now my family, my wife, my two young daughters, they're out there. So after that first experience, you look at the woods a little different, and we had some neat experiences, a couple of noteworthy. You get a lot of it's funny, You get a lot of circumstantial stuff. And if people were watching a true crime show, they'd be, oh, this you convict the guy and then switch sides after the advertisements, but they want something more concrete.
With big Fluss, it's all about those sightings. My WHI think she wants to see one. I don't know. I'm on the fence. But we continued to go out and boat and hike, and I don't know. It was about a year after the first experience. We hype what's called the North South Trail runs the whole length of it's over in land between the lakes down
here in Kentucky. We hike different sections of it, and now we try to stay on the track as much as possible, but there's some sections where there's a road that you can access, so you can jump on the trail two miles if you want, ten miles if you want short track off the
track and your back on that road to your car. So we're going and I carry about a thirty forty pound pack, and I had my little daughter, I guess she was probably two at the time, my youngest, and so I put her on my shoulders and I pack her on up the hill. There's some pretty big hills. People in the mountain country will not think these are they'll call them hills here, we call them mountain But it's pretty
high and I'm fifty one. So we got her up to the top of this hill and she started screaming because she knew I was gonna put her now. She didn't want to walk, she was tired, and the screaming went on for a minute. Finally Mom got her off. J our left. We're right at the top of a ridge, and it's not a real wide section, so there's drop offs on each side. We hear at this junt, this thaw, and you feel it, and you hear the bipedal steps,
and I look at my wife and she said I heard it. And then I'm like, I thought you wanted to see it, so I actually we went out. There was going away from us, so we went up the ridge. I said, it's got to be right down here. And it's one of those things we've talked about before, and I'm sure everybody that's
into this has come across. It was gowe and there was a good one hundred yards circumference where it wasn't thick woods, any natural thing you would have seen, so that actually she never experience that, and that guy her kind of okay, let's get on this ridge and let's get on out of here. We did. She carried my daughter so she'd be quiet. We don't know what the scream did, if it attracted them or scared them or what. But we got out on the road and we are sitting on a barn
taking a break, and she's curious. So I'm holding the girls and sitting there and she goes down the road a little bit, still in sight, and I just look and I don't know if I was creeped out or not, but about sixty to seventy yards away, it's standing there, right behind a tree, just standing there. And what worried me a little more. I haven't really been scared, but I'm convinced there's always two of them,
and so what's worrying me is if this thing's down here with us. And this wasn't a ridge tile, it was down there with us, straight line sixty yards away. I'm wondering what's behind me on this ridge behind but I know my wife wants to see it, so I'm trying to get her attention and not spook it. And then all of a sudden, we here coming down the road some type of RTV ATV. We hadn't seen anybody all day,
and I look up and it's gone. We actually went over there and there was some prints there, so man, it was one of those things. I don't know. There's a couple of times I've been been scared or at least wanted to get out of the wanted to get out of the woods. Now I haven't been attacked or anything like that. It's just that feeling and you know, you get I'm sure you've been there, but that was about my best. Like I stared at it, I looked at it.
This one I made eye contact click, and I couldn't read it. I couldn't read it. I didn't know if it was curious or if there was something else. Well, let's talk a little bit about you got a good look at it. You're sixty seventy yards away. Can you talk about in detail what you saw as far as heightweight, hair, eyes, face, that kind of thing. I have been out and we've got some prints.
There's about three sets of prints that were getting a sixteen inch or a fifteen inch or and a thirteen inch, and this one was one of those, I'm sure. So I'm thinking comparing it to like Shaquille O'Neil, if he's three hundred pounds and this thing is way wider, so you're looking at five hundred pounds. The thing's eight feet tall and in five hundred at least, and short hair, so not shaggy. These I'm seeing are not shaggy.
They're more uniform brown. When they're down in there, the hair reacts to the light and that this one was down in there so brown. It was pretty impressive. And it was just standing there and there was one small cree kind of obscuring. I guess it would have been its right side, but it was its legs, powerful big legs. There was some scrub in there, so you couldn't see all of it all the way down to the feet, but just to think a little bigger than Shaquille O'Neill, just standing there.
Deep eyes, man. The thing with these things for me is the eyes are really deep. I've seen some pictures and some people they make them up with real human bluish eyes and things like that. What I see is it's dark. It wasn't mean it. I would say it was a serious look. It was just serious, just standing there. What are you doing here? When are you leaving? That's the feel I really got, you
know. Yeah. It was one of the things that I was gonna mention, because I've asked people that before that have a fairly close up encounter with these things, is could you get a sense And obviously it's subjective because you're projecting your feelings onto this thing. That was one of the things I wanted to ask you, was could you get a feeling A for what do you think this thing was doing out in the open to allow you to see it? And b could you get a feeling of whether this thing was pissed off
or surprised. So it sounds like to me you think maybe it was not happy that you were there staring at it. Right. Yeah, And I've got a good friend, thankfully after my first experience, Charlie Raymond, Kentucky, Bigfood Research Organization. Man, you can go there catalog your your sightings in this stage. He's so good. So he took a lot of the sheer away, and I've been out with him a bunch and he says that
they're curious about people. I do believe that. I believe if you're in the land between the Lakes, I'll tell you right now, you're being watched ninety percent of the places you're at, especially if you're off pay roads, you're me and walked. And so I believe that. I think this was closer to dusk, and I think they're nocturnal. I think they hunt at night, and I think you get in a situation where maybe we might have been messing up. It's hunting a little bit, or maybe in an area
where it was going to do something. So I really think it just wanted us out of there, because if they want to watch you, and I've had a couple of sightings where they look up over a ridge and then they just walk away. That was the thing. They don't follow even and usually they'll stay up on the ridge. It's been my experience. This was down in there with so I think he just wanted us to know that he saw us and he was glad we were out again. Maybe my daughter trying really
upset him. I don't know it was what upset so your wife was there for this, she didn't get to see it. But how did that affect her moving forward? Did that peak her interest more, did it make her want to get more involved and pushed to see one of these things, or did she feel more like backing off after that? She is so torn, she's even torn now like this time of year, the lake is that we have two big lakes and it's really low, so I like to walk on
the bank. Even though I got a nice boat, it's just easier to walk on the bank and fidg and I tell her, I think I'm gonna cut up across this ridge and get back to the truck. And she doesn't loant be doing that by myself, even in the daytimes. But she has seen the prints. Like I said, the circumstantial stuff. When you get out there and you start seeing these markers and these lips, these twists of trees and these breaks, and something's doing and it does. It makes you
curious. It's a once in a lifetime thing. At that time, she looked at me. I didn't tell her. She looked at me and now you see one, you're looking at one. And then we heard that sound, so she was paying I wanted to see it, but let's go home. But you be ready to go home. I can't say that I blame her. Let's talk a little bit about before we move into your other experiences.
Let's talk a little bit about the footprints that you're finding, because that's something that I ran into when I was up with Todd and Radium was footprints everywhere in the spangled moss that's up there in that area. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the footprints that you're finding. Are you able obviously you're taking pictures, I would assume, are you able to cast any of these? And what are they looking like are they more humanoid? Describe what
you're finding as far as the footprints. I'm actually finding a couple different types. And I think I sent you one on the first broadcast. You had seen some pictures. Send you some pictures and the cast didn't turn out real well. And I've learned actually was listening to your episode. I think it was clipping Bobo talking about that most casts don't. But you don't get this studio quality, movie quality cast. And I'll be honest with you, I
find so many footprints. I'm waiting for that one in really nice mud with clear toes, and I'm gonna cast it and put it on my wall. That's what I'm waiting for. But you find them. I haven't found multiple toes. What I find a lot is you find a lot of single prints for whatever reason. Sometimes it's in a track trap. You get a lot of these these seep inches. A lot of people don't realize this, like why is there one footprint? There's seep inches. Sometimes there are a hundred
of the leaves. You take one step and you're gonna slip fall that you take step to the left or right, you're not going So there's a lot of those. I have found as many as eight in a row. They are about forty eight inches apart. And I've got great video I zdeo and document all these things. The ones I find roughly sixteen inches long eight inches
wide. I get a lot of big toes. It's almost like you get a lot of you can see where the big toe grips, but the other toes don't quite dig in, and I don't know if they're grabbing with them or what, but I've got a ton of them where you can see he'll print midcharsel, break good with up by the toes big toe, and then the rest are just there. I'm glad you mentioned that, because that's something
that I have fought with because I found printing here on the property. I've actually went back and done follow up videos because of all the hatred that comes when you post it on Facebook. The comments. I think the last post I did, it's got something like thirty thousand views on Facebook, and the comments are it's every other one right, it's oh my god, that's awesome, and then the very next one is, oh, it must have been
on a pogo stick. It's just that one footed bigfoot. So I literally went back in the woods and documented a couple of videos of me walking my dogs. And I've said it so many times on the show. All of my dogs have four legs, they all have four feet. But I'll find places where there's muddy areas there's one dog footprint in the middle and there's no more around. How does that happen? And it's exactly like you said, there's areas four inches to the left or right. The substrate is hard,
that area is just a little bit lower with the seepage. After a rain, it's moist. You catch a footprint there. That happens all the time. And again it is questionable to me, because I questioned myself when I find one footprint, I'm like, nobody's hey, nobody's gonna believe this. I'm photographing and taking a video of a footprint that I'm about to cast, and there's only one. It's the same, no matter what. Because I found on my neighbor's property here up the road about a half a mile three
quarters of a mile away, I found two in a row. So that's like a huge fine. And the last ones that I've casted, I think one other person, maybe two other people have seen the photos because they turned out too good. It was two right in a row, about forty eight fifty inches apart. They're about fourteen and a half fifteen inches long, and
the cast turned out beautifully. I won't show them to anybody because the very next thing that everybody's going to say is that's fake because they turned out too good. So it is what it is. But I'm glad you mentioned that. For everybody out there who didn't hear Cliff and Bobo and I talking about that cast. Everything you come across, if they turn out to look like
crap, it doesn't matter. Keep them in anyway, because it's datner and you will hopefully eventually get that one that turns out to be beautiful and hangs on your wall for the rest of your life or whatever. Yet's talk about your other experiences, man, I know that's not the only thing that you've had happened. So let's go back into the woods and talk about the next
thing that happened to you. Now, I think the coolest thing I'm telling you, if I had a video quarter or an audio requorter running, this would be all over the place, and really we weren't doing anything. Bigfoot related. I really love to fish in the spring. So my girls and I were all out in the boat. That was just his past spring. I go real shallow way in the back of the coals where a lot of people don't fish. Because we're back there, there's a lot of boat traffic
coming in and a lot of people having fun. Water skin jep skin. My daughter just this day, my middle daughter, and she's eight now, I guess she was seven at the time. She's curious about and it goes and the way the sound travels on on water all day. She thought you'd hear one coming from this way and be coming from that way. If you've been out on the water, you know what I'm talking. She'd think people were real close and they're really far. It was beautiful, it was dusk.
We caught a lot of station. We were in a little bay and it had some ridges. I said, watch this, let me show you an eck, and so I just went really long, really loud, and it started echo and right behind us in this little cree we hear whoop and the peace sound. Coyotes aren't pers in their lips and making a peace. Then everything lit up and the coyotes started going and then up on this rig. All of a sudden, we hear this, and the crickets stopped.
I mean, everything in the woods got silent. The girls didn't tick up on My wife again when we hear the whoop, she picked up on that. The little girls there, She's like, oh, this is cool, and they loved that the coyotes were going. But when even when they heard that, they were just like, dad, we got silent. It's just who And that's actually I went in there later on, Oh why, But
I just was curious because I've never really been that. And I got a nineteen inch footprint out of one footprint on a mole hill like it had purposely pushed down, which is actually you would say, prime for somebody to mess with you. But it is so thick back in there, and so I haven't been back. We've left that area off or a hike because this was intimidating. It was really I cannot describe. I can't imagine, man. And that's the other thing that people say about footprints is in order for there
to be a hoax, there has to be a payoff. So if you're gonna do something like that with a footprint or tree breaks, or whatever the case may be. There has to be people there to see it, and the chances of somebody hearing what you heard. So let's say it was a person making that noise and trying to drag you or whoever was down their end, so you'd have to hear the noise be into Bigfoot enough to know that's
possibly a sasquatch. I'm going to go in here and see if I can find a track at a different time, and then them leave a track behind. So it's really the totality of the circumstances for me. Obviously it's still a little subjective. It is an anecdotal experience, but it's layer upon layer of the things that you're finding that really builds the total case. For me, is that the same thing you're finding as far as what you're doing as
far as finding evidence. Even when we hear that whoop, I'm telling the girls this is after it. It all happened consecutively. But we're in the car and I'm saying, now, there could have been a hiker back that was just messing with up. This stuff's popular now, everybody's seen the shows, so I'm thinking, but there was not a guy with a studio quality PA set up waiting on that ridge to then fire that sound. That's highly unlikely. I tell them you, Look, I don't believe in multiple coincids.
That's my thing. I do believe in one coincidence. One happens best. But like you just said, when you start stacking them on top of each other. So that's exactly what I'm finding I try to look for. I'll tell you a great example of that. When you go out this time of year on these lakes. The water has gone out of the back of these bays and it's really soft mud, and you get duck hunters, you
get hikers, you get people. There's people here. They look for turtle shells, old lures where people were fishing and now they got hung up. Just a ton of people out and you'll see some footprint, even some bare foot wornt sometow. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. And it'll make you think. But you've got to say, okay, look here's where the boat came up. Here were some shoe prints where they were probably taking off. You just always have to
try to disprove before you prove it. It's hard to do because you get excited and you know, like you want everything to be bigfoot. But no, the stuff I talk about, it's like with the pictures too, with the Paradovia, I don't post much. I've got one picture that I posted and I saw this thing running across a ridge and I just stopped my truck and I'm just still my phone still and I'm just hitting the button as quick as i can. When I got back, I noticed and I had to
really zoom in. There's a brown figure that is there's a tree, and you can see that it's angled away, and the next picture you can see it's moved close. The next weekend, I climbed up that ridge. I got my wife in the truck. I put myself in there to make sure it wasn't the stump, wasn't the lag, wasn't any type of misidentification to show that there was room for a man sized thing to be. I put it in my private research group, and I'm not going to put anything up
there unless it's a slammed up because I'll be it in your shoes. I'll get thirty thousand critics. Yeah, that's what happens. Man. I'm going through it now with the Todd standing stuff after that edition. I just worked on today before we hopped on for a couple of hours, trying to put together a bunch of audio because this particular night of the audio that's coming up for later in the week on the show is us sitting around and we're having
something thrown at the camper. Sounded like rocks. It's you know, Todd was convinced it was some sort of a small pine cone. I still think it's rocks, because we didn't find any pine cones the next day. But I'm going through this audio and a lot of the stuff that we heard in real time is captured, so you can hear it on the audio. We're responding to it, going what was that? I heard that? But there
was a lot of them that we missed. We're talking around the fire, and I went back through the audio and I found probably seven or eight examples today of I can hear it hitting the camper and we're talking in a sort of oblivious to it. And again people are going to say, you didn't see what it was. Sure, I understand that, but I don't know
what else in the woods throws rocks. It just blew my mind when we started having those experiences in real time, and then I'm reliving it today going back through the audio, and I'm thinking there had to be something probably thirty forty, maybe at the most fifty feet away from us in the woodline, throwing rocks, hitting the camper that was fifteen twenty feet behind us. That's a weird thing to experience. Man, didn't see what it was, don't
know what it was. And again, until people put themselves in that position, see other thing that I get all the time. I tell people, get up off your couch and go out and experience things in the woods. If you don't believe what I experienced may be related to bigfoot. Sure I never see any things definitively to Bigfoot because I'm not seeing one, right, don't Monday morning quarterback my experiences when I go spend seven days out in the
bush. If you're not doing that yourself, you got nothing to talk about exactly. Let's go back into your experiences. Man, what else have you ran into while you've been out looking for these things? It's neat you talk about stuff being thrown. So I met my friend Ray, and I went out on a Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization expedition, and the first time we'd met, I say, big guy. I always call him six four, and I think he corrects me with the extra two edges. The guys six six,
I'm only five eight. So I worked quite the pair of if we met and had some stuff thrown at us, and what was neat about it? It was eight horn coming against the wind up a hill. I was sitting beside and we're sitting inside the campfire, and I look and he just you're seeing that, right? No, And we didn't actually say anything to anybody. We're just being quiet. But every once in a while here they become We actually paired up and we got down in a little valley. And
what I've learned is I track them different Now. I don't ever go after them. I look for the evidence. I'm a daytime, and if I see one, I use that curiosity I go away from if don't do anything I related. If I was in Alaska with bears, it might be neat to see one, I'd honestly just assume nazi, really, but I want to know about him, and I don't want to know how to be around them. What I'm showing him is for us, if we get in stuff that's over knee high, we start thinking, oh, we got to Blazer
trail and this is thick, but for them, that's not. And if you start looking up where somebody six seven eight nine feet tall would be clearing things out of the way as they're moving through woods, you're going to find those snaps and those twists. And he was just fascinated by He thought that was native. It was his first experience. But we got down in this valley and we heard the talk. We heard the talk people talk about him. It was just he wasn't dispinsitive, but it was just not quite a
growl, like somebody's trying. But he looked at me and I looked at here. So we got back up. We shared that experience. So we got back up to the camp again. Didn't tell anybody, but we got to be friends. So finally he's in this group by men and he's like, please take me out. You're seeing this all the time, Please take me out with you because he had not seen when he and he wants to believe and he goes on these expeditions, but he said, I think you're
my best chance, and I'm quiet. I moved through the woods quietly. I don't take more than one person out if I'm thinking I'm going to try to see something. And really again, I'm just looking through the prince and the sticks fascinate me. The glyphs and the things they do that they weave in the I wonder if it's like their art work. I don't know. It's just awesome to me, so I'm looking for that. But I told him we're going to go in this spot. They're going to know we're here.
We're gonna mind our own business. We're gonna go down to the lake and we're gonna come back up. We'll start getting our activity. If we get any on the way out, I think they'd really like to follow us out. Is he's seeing all the stuff, it's neat. We're having a good time. And then we get up on this ridge and we start hearing you start hearing the footsteps, and he's looking at me, and you know, I'm like, yeah, let's just go, and we go and we
stopped. We go and we stop. He gets really freaked out all of a sudden, he said, did you see that? And I just looked at him. He said it was a shadow, and he's like, did you not quite thecighting, but he can see the shadow moving and it's close to dusk along the trees over on this rig. And I'm just smiling at him, and I said, let's give it a minute. I said, here's the thing. I don't usually follow him, buddy, but that's our
way out. And so we waited a minute and we talked in we went on and we get up on this little rise and you should see how the leaves it stood out, how the leaves were like pushed up in a certain way. And he noticed it, and I'm like, this is about where you saw it, and he said, yeah, this is about it, and he's looking around. He sees this, and he says, what would do that? Because if you've seen a turkey scratch or deer scratch, you
know what that looks like. I laid down in it. I laid down at it, and I said, ray, if I was watching you over there, and I laid down right here, and it looked like one of those chalk out lines they put on a body at a crime scene or something. As soon as I got in it, you could just see this guy's face just and I said, I'm not telling you what this is, but I feel like it was laying on top of the ridge watching us, and then we got post enough for it that it ran off because it knows this
is the way out. This big, strong dude looks right at me. He said, all right, let's get out of here. So then that was enough for him. He saw enough circumstantial stuff. And just because again, when you realize you're being watched and if something wanted to turn watching you into star talking you. These things are fast, they're strong. I don't think I could carry a firearm big enough that I would be confident it would get it before it could get me. I don't think I would shoot one.
I really don't. I don't, not even maybe not even self defense. I maybe try to scare it, but that's how massive. People just don't know until you've seen it. And so it's always in the back of your head. Man, it sinks in here watching me. And again I'm telling you, there's always two of them. Anytime I see something in front of me, I'm more worried about what's behind. I'm right there with you, man. I think you're dead on with that. We carried guns when
I was up in Canada. We had a forty five seventy or we had a twelve gage with slugs and buckshot. But it was for the bears. Right. We know there's a six or seven hundred pound bear that was wandering around there that's been around for years, and we didn't want to run into him without some kind of protection. It wasn't necessarily for a sasquatch. Because
I'm with you, I don't think I would be the one. Even with a forty five seventy I'm not trying to shoot anything it's that big, because it's just going to piss it off and I'm probably gonna get dragged into the woods. I want to talk about some of the stick structures and the tree breaks and things like that that you're finding, because I'm not on board with that exactly. I've seen some weird stuff on the property here. I've seen
some weird stuff in Canada that doesn't make sense to me. As far as the tree breaks, I can't process it in my brain and make myself fully commit to the majority of what we saw was Bigfoot related. You mentioned glyphs. There was a couple of times we found what looked like a's and some other weird things that were made on the ground. Yep, you're nodding in
agreeing. So talk a little bit about some of the things that you're finding as far as the stick structures breaks and the glyphs, and let's compare notes and see if we're talking about the same thing here. Okay. So, and actually it was neat. I just wrapped up. I was privileged enough to have a small peace on an upcoming small town Monsters documentary that they're doing over here in Lamb between the Lake and that's coming in the spring. And
I met a guy and I had some pictures. So I'm showing the producer of some of these pictures and things and he looks. He says, oh, you're finding some exes. And he says, the ones that leave the exes are the ones you want to be around. And I tell you what He actually asked me if I had found some other stuff. So I got one certain area that I go to and I let him know where I'm at. I actually wear the same clothes every time I go in the same way.
I stop the same places, and I'm just up on this little mound like a peninsula that sticks out and there's several ridges surrounding it, and I'll usually hang around there and I'll build a campfire or just spend some time there. The first time I did it, I actually built a little wan to just do some logs up, just to have it cold. So I just
want something to reflect a little fire. The next time I go back, there's this law backwards leaned up down in the gully point in the other way, and beside it there's a tree that had fallen with all the four shan alpha. And this guy I met, he said, what that means? Is there on that side you stay on this side in the bark? Is they leave those markers for their juveniles to let them know where their boundaries are. I'm wondering. I've just met this guy and I got to talk to
them more about it. But I'm fascinated that he even knew that would be there without even talking to me being around. So, man, I tell you what with these x's, they're perpendicular, and I don't know the geometrical term there. Even there's the same amount of X on each side. It's the center of them. The crossing is almost in the midst They're always left around areas and trails. I find a lot of parallel sticks, and I immediately go look for was this a tree that fell? Where's the root structure?
Was this brought in? Was this move? Could this have come from a buck? And a lot of it is like that, But I tell you that I found the a symbols. I find sticks that aren't heavy enough to fall and stick in the ground. I find them stuck and dug in the ground. And then, man, it's the coolest thing on these rich tops. I've got one I love because it seems to chain and a lot of the scrub and thickets they'll be weaved in. They will be woven into
each other to make this. It's cool. It's just really and I'm wondering, is it navigation? Is it warnings? Is it territory mark? Yeah, I honestly think a lot of it's just artwork. I really did, because I find so much of it, And you can tell. I've got one that was there's a tree that comes up and it goes over and then
it goes up. And I found one under this one time, a really intricate woven and there's no way that's falling the way this tree is if it's not falling back, and then it's not falling and inner weaving itself with some other things that just fell. Now, I will give you a lot of it. I've taken my wife, taking my son of taking a couple of good friends from high school and taking Ray in and it's about fifty shifs. They're like, Okay, that could be something, and then they're like,
that's just stick's falling. Man, it's just sticks fall That's what I tell myself every time I go into the woods and see some weird stuff. I'm
saying, it's just sticks falling. But there's a lot of it. Like you said that, you just can't there's really no Ockham's razor explanation for what's going on, because again I go back to the Radium expedition that one of the last days I was there, we found this huge tree with these three I don't know, seventy eighty foot tall trees that were propped up and come together and touching at the very tip, and they're pointing exactly due north and
one of them's exactly due south. Like that doesn't happen naturally, and there's no rootball. Todd has actually went back out there and he did a video. He took some expeditioners out a couple of weeks after we left, and they dug down and there's no rootball for this tree. And even if there were root balls and these things were pushed over or fail, there the chances of that happening naturally. I think I said it on we were out there.
It is like one in one centrillion of a chance that this could have possibly happened naturally. So I don't know, man, I scratched my head still when I find what looks like tree breaks and things like that. I just was at snowload. Is it natural occurrences? Yea, and I talk most of it. I'm probably more like an eighty twenty or maybe even ninety ten that it's just a natural occurrence. But at some point and the art thing makes for a conversation, right, because I've talked to people about that
before, have theorized that. And I guess my answer to that is as a skeptical person or somebody who's just trying to find an alternate explanation, it would be weird for me to think I'm thinking animalistically, right, if this thing is some sort of an eight yep. Would they do that or would they have time to do that? Would it be something they were doing other than surviving? But I tell you, the more you study great apes, you find some of the things that they do that you wouldn't think that a
gorilla would do, or a chimpanzee or an orangutan. So is it beyond the pale to think that these things are making some kind of glyphs for entertainment? Probably not, I don't think so. It's a possibility, yeah, and so so personally, I'm a Christian and I look at things through that limbs a lot. But even if you set that aside and looked at the Darwinian evolution model, whoever these people were, they were doing cave painting and were able to do art. This thing is on one side of those either
earlier or even a little later. I think they're really intelligent. The three that I have found two parallel sticks or logs, and we're talking about this big maybehendred twelve feet long together parallel perfectly. I have found a lot of times and then maybe chen to twenty yards later there's going to be a path. There's going to be a road or path, And I have found that consistently, this might be telling them this is where the people are. I've
found the a's and I've found the exes a lot. It's weird though. This other stuff, though, it's just unique, and they take it down and then they replace it with other stuff, or I say, thank whoever's out there coincidentally doing this stuff though I can find it. But if there was a lot of people that were really big Blair Witch fans and had it in them to hike and go through this and get miles off track to do this stuff, I'll buy that. But if not, I think they're doing
some kind of artwork. I really do. You could be right, man, I love it. It interests me. I'm into it. Like I said, I go out hiking. We hiked the property a couple of days ago and I didn't find anything like I normally do. We hiked a different area. We try to do that every single time we go out. Honestly, it's probably the opposite of what I should be doing as far as bigfoot
from what I've heard, very much like you. I've talked to Shane in the past and people like Herrington who go out and they do the exact same thing over and over. They're very regimented, even to the point of wearing the same clothes, because they get familiar with you coming in and out of the area, so that tends to work better for the research. I'm just out hiking with the dogs, and I'm usually trying to escape bigfoot stuff. When I get out into the woods, I still look at it with an
open mind. If I see something that sticks out, I'll snap a picture of it or whatever and go back to it later on. Let's talk about your other experiences. Man, I know you're having other things going on out there, So what else has happened to you when you've been out in the woods. Well, the coolest thing that just happened, and I took the
picture, and I'm calling in paradolia. I'm not putting it out there, but I think just like I go in and wear the same I've got an area it's probably ten or twelve miles long where I think they might know me. I don't know, but I will tell you I'm the only boat I go fishing where people are not. I'm old school. There's so many people out. I don't like people coming in this same coal by men. Well, now, if you get a fifty yard stretch of bank. To yourself,
that's big. So I just go where people aren't and I will literally be the only boat in these areas all day. And then there was a couple of things that happened. The cool one was I had my son with me and he was pretty much a skeptic, and we're drifting back down into this little creek and a deer comes running out right in front of us, across the water and it shallows up. We got a creak and then it shallows up and there's a little hawk buries itself and what we call buckbruts.
The boat went right by. We could have touched got that clock, and it was just looking and he said, ed, what is this. Have you ever had this happen? I said, no, I don't know what's going on. We ate the boat just a little bit more so when we first noticed that the deer's come across the front. When we got to the back, seventeen foot bowt the deer would be at the engine. All of a sudden he runs up the hill and it's so thick in there. I
can't explain to people. They're like, if it was that clothes, I didn't you see it, and it's like you said, get off your cap, get off your cap. But my son's eyes because he's been in the woods. He's twenty we've been twenty four that time. It's not dear season, that's not a hunter. And I said, I think we just saved that deer's life or really upset something. And again we got out of there. So I go back to this same place that would have been last year.
This spring, I was back in that same place, and again I like the quiet. I think I see a lot more because I'm just stealing quiet. And I had my boat up against the fallen tree. One walk right by, I mean thirty yards walk right just walking right down the bank, and I was shocked. I honestly fell. Ok. It might not know why I'm here. So when it got past me, I'm lifting up my troll and motor. I don't know if you've got any experience with that, but they're up on the front of a boat. The troll, the
motor lifts up. You got to pull this clicker to release the latch, and man, it clicked and I dropped it and it just clanked, and oh no. And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see We'll be right back after these messages. I honestly don't think if I got a good video of one, i'd probably show the people I trusted and knew were into it, and we're going to exploit it. But I'm not going to throw it up on my Facebook and say, look, world, I don't think I
want everybody down there messing with. Really, I would like it for my own curiosity. And I think it's a feat we hear of. It's always blurry, it's always But I went on down the bank and I just videoed down the bank, and I've analyzed it, and I think I got it peeking back at me behind a tree. Because what I like to do is
I changed the aspect. So I think a screenshot and if you change all the aspects of something colored tints, sharpness, everything, If it changes the same way as the leaves or the tree it's next to, it's probably a tree. But this maintains its own integrity, it's own different color. That's why I don't know it's interesting, but I say it was, Oh my wife. I almost don't want to talk about it. Because Charlie Raymond,
the founder of the Kentucky Dicksfoot Research Organization. He's never seen one, and I think I heard the other think clip for Roman, never actually seen one. So I've had sick class a clear sighting of these things. That was my best in the latest one, and again I scared it and it took off. You mentioned in your email that you had other weird things. You and I talked a little bit off air the first time you were on a
couple of years ago about some of the weird things that you've experienced. Are you okay getting into some of that and talking about the orbs and other stuff. Absolutely. I don't know you caught the video. I sent you a little video and I didn't even notice this happened. I think we talked about it. I had an experience in Waverley Hill in Louis and I've always been
open minded. I don't think people are lying. I looked for the rational explanation, and I was very much like that about ghosts until it happened to me. Then that opened up. And this was I don't know, back in two thousand three, four or five, long time ago, but I've since found out. I guess I'm pretty sensitive to it, and I don't want to refine my skill or act like I'm a psychic or a medium or
anything. So I've seen a lot of lights and a lot of orbs, and I think people ask me about Bigfoot what I think they are, and I'm putting an asterisk by it now because of the supernatural stuff. A lot of times you see the orbs, and we talked about it on your last show. We've seen that they disappear. They just disappear. I play a little music and I recorded sometimes in my Facebook's private but some of my friends like and I played church a little bit and I was playing a song for
my why or just practicing and recording myself in the sofa. Listen in my home. This is in my house and man, I looked at I'm watching it and I see something fly over my head and into my walk and again I got a screenshot of it, and it's got its own It's just weirdness. My wife and she said, do you see that. I said, yeah, I had done another take before this, and I go back to
this take. Something comes out of my shoulder, gets me in the cheek, takes off and at the time it hits me in the cheek, something comes out of my other shoulder, comes out, comes across my body, stops and then takes off the ball of light. And it freaked me out because I have it came out of me. It came out of my shoulder. And like I said, I think I sent that one to you. If I didn't, I can. But I've opened up to the fact that I think we're not alone. I don't think we die. I think we're
spiritual. However you want to frame that in your life, but I think our spirits live on, and I think we're surrounded by And again, if you take the Bible just as a book it's a spiritual, supernatural thing, then it clearly tells you there's all kinds of the giants, there's spirits, there's all kinds of stuff. So our home is on a place it was built before the Civil War. We've actually got a Revolutionary War soldier buried in a little cemetery behind my house. And I've done all the genealogy, and
I don't have the money or time to personally restore this. I've uncovered all the graves and surrounded it and taken care of it as much as I can. And we actually named my youngest daughter, after a thirteen month old that died that their tombstone is there, and it is a beautiful tombstone. It's really neat things. I think there's energy there. I think the people that live there actually died there and are buried there. And I think that's more
conducive to a haunting or some type of thing. I know. I don't think I've ever told this on air. I see them, I see them, and I know they're around. And when my wife and I started dating, I warned her about it, and I said I wanted to show her. So I had this building. I saved part of this old homestead and I made about a thousand square foot shop. We built a house behind that sense and I took her in there. It's dark, and I turned the flash light on and showed her how you do it and how you make it
come on. And Joe, I said, Okay, this is Kara. She's here. She wants to be part of this family, and she's going to be around. Just wanted to see if you let her know if you were here and light comes on, which she's that could happen, quintens whatever. And I said, thank you for that. Can you turn it off when they went off, and Nick got pitched black in that place. She's holy, she's not freaked out about it. The only thing that freaked her
out was when we had our first child. We had a mobile, little mobile over the crib and I came home from work one day and she's got the baby and she's in the living room. What are you doing? Because I can tell she's bothered. She said, they won't leave this mobile alone. I think, come on, even though I believe in and I'm still again no ways. So I went in there. I take this mobile, I twist it on, I let it play, I bang it. It's
not coming on. I said, it's fine. I hung that mobile up, took two steps out of the room and you hear it bing, and she needed to do it away, and she just told them stay away from the baby. Her sister comes and we've got some baby toys now, a little Daniel tiger trolley, and it will consistently turn that trolley on, only it'll turn it in and it freaks her sister out in it. So it's
not it's mischievous. I don't think it's anything evil or demonic or anything in my experience, but that has to be out there, and you hear these stories man of these people. So thankfully my experiences with the paranormal, if somehowered me in. I did some investigation for some people and helps some people out with some things in the past, and it was pretty rewarding. And again, I've found only a couple times before I thought this was demonic or
really bad. Let's go down this road for a second with Bigfoot and the paranormal, because that's something that comes up often on the show. It again with the Radium expedition, there was a lot of talk of mind speak and precognition and a lot of things that go on with Bigfoot. Where are you with that? Have you had experiences or have talked to enough people that have had experiences? Do you believe that's something that could be connected to Bigfoot?
That's subjective. It's obviously your opinion. I don't think anybody really knows, but talk about that as far as your opinion. I've certainly adjusted my opinion to and fro as I go, and the more people I talk to, what I think today may be something different tomorrow. Do you think it's possible that this mind speak and this telepathic communication that goes on with people is a thing between Bigfoot or do you think it's just a mental thing that goes on
in people's heads. Do you think it's even a possibility when it comes to Bigfoot? Yeah, and I just I'll use an example. So I've got a degree. I've got a master's degree in interpersonal communicate. Yeah, I tell people my dad was one of the original members of Delta Force. Now
I've got pictures. I hate saying things I can't prove. But in the extreme mental capacity that these soldiers and these people that are in that and even a lot of people in law enforcement, the extreme mental capacity you have to have, and just the belief in the power of your mind. Now, I never served, but I was raised that way. Have you ever heard of remote viewing? Absolutely? Okay. So I used to teach a communication
class in high school. I tend to think a lot of these things we call supernatural or extrasensory or abilities we all have, we just have buried them because we rely so much on science, which is an awesome way of looking at things but has its limitations. Is what Okay, And I've thought high school kids how to remote view a lot of them I can do it a little bit, and it's not to the level of going someplace and being able to get outside your body and see suff I tell you what I used to
do. I used to tell them to to hold up their cell phones and one of them is looking at a picture. The other one can learn. Because I think we send signals just like sound waves, like smells. I think the extreme emotion our minds can send that out like you can walk in a room and if people in that room have been fighting, without saying a word, you can walk in there and feed the home field advantage? Why
is home field advantage a thing? All stadiums roll out, all stadiums have cheerings, refer in the same field to the same Why is home field advantage the thing it is? It's a miserable thing. It's because of the emotion that we're sending out and we've just buried our ability or put it in this weird realm. So I got to with these kids. I had them, We took all the cell phones, we lined objects up, We took the kids out of the room. We picked the other kids to take these objects,
go hide and around the school and then come back. And two of these kids were able to pick the guy that got the object, what the object was, and where the object put And it's not extra sensory. It's me. But what I'm saying is it's a skill and maybe we're more predisposed to it or open to it. And I think we are in the Bigfoot realm. Possibly some of them are better at it or not. So I don't know yet. I haven't experienced the mind speak. I told you this
frequency thing. I'm just getting into this, but we all vibrate, so I'm very open to it as maybe not supernatural, but just the skills and abilities we have that we haven't honed in on yet. And you look at the same You've got examples of this, like the women that lift cars off their kids when there's a rack or something. And we've got in a box. Okay, a five foot, eight hundred and twenty pounds woman should be able to lift this. A human should be able to lift this. So
I don't know. I'm really open to it. I do because of my faith and where I'm at. You've heard of the nephilin stories and the things of that nature as well, so I'm open to that as well. With these things maybe being really aware and able to use their mind and connect, or maybe being actually spiritual, angelic, or whatever you might o. I don't know if that even answers your question, right, It definitely did, man, you went above and beyond. Again, I know it's all subjective.
Those are the kind of questions I like to talk about and get answers from people, because everybody has their opinions and you just never really know where people are. That's one of the things that in addition just to meeting great people and having great conversations like this, that's what I love about Bigfoot is you just get to ask all kinds of crazy questions and go down rabbit holes that you never thought you would go down. We would have never met had
it not been for Bigfoot. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for Bigfoot right now. So I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. Man, I've had a blast talking to you. Absolute you know, right back at you. Man, it's great. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want to sign steps step trying this chart, that chart everything, calling ride riding back joy from me Joy staying right, call it right away. Still suppose satists sasstsssssssssh