Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog. My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are you putting? We got some wonder or something
crawling around out here? Did you see what it was or was it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get somebody out here when I'm out there. I've thought of a bitch of about tech forty nine. I don't know. Easy him out there. Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey. I'm going to welcome o guest to the show. It is John from right here in my home state of
North Carolina. Welcome to the show, John, Thanks Ronnan, I appreciate it. I've been looking forward to this conversation. Man. Anybody in the southeastern United States, particularly my home state of North Carolina or my old home state of Georgia. I love to talk about this subject with I love to
get into those hometown stories. Before we get into some of the stories and some of the things you're going to share with your experiences and some of your family's experiences, let's talk about what guy you interested in the subject to begin with. Growing up, I always like monster stuff, going to the library, checking out bugs on vampires, where will the old horror fingers and stuff
like that, and then you would see pictures in there. Paddy and like a lot of people, the Bigfoot lived in Oregon, Washington, California in the western part of US, and you never really heard anything as far as Bigfoot or Sindsquatch. And it wasn't until Signing Bigfoot and some of that stuff started coming out that the light was shed on this area of the United States. My grandma always talked about Boogers where I grew up at It was a
place called Booger Holler, and I just thought it was fascinating. And the more I've listened to some of the podcasts and things like that, it's just one of those things curiosity. Are they around, could they be around? Or something like that in this area just one of those things I think there could be. I've never seen one personally. I've experienced some weird things, but I've never seen anything personally. Yeah, I'm the same way man.
I actually grew up in North Georgia hearing some of the stories. Now, it wasn't a common thing that everybody talked about, but some people in my family, my great grandmother, my great grandfather would tell stories about people that they knew that had experiences with what they called boogers or wild men, wooly man, harry man, whatever, up on the mountains and ridges in that area that I grew up in Georgia. It was just a common thing for
people in my family. We knew it happened to other people, and I never had anybody in my family that had had an experience. But it's one of the things. This is why this show was born, was to talk to people in the southeastern United States because I'm very interested and curious about those kind of encounters, Because I too, like you, believed when I was a kid that Bigfoot might live in other areas out west, or in California or whatever, but not where I was from, and certainly even here around
our property in North Carolina. We've had some weird experiences, found some weird things, cast some footprints, lots of interesting things going on. You were obviously interested in the subject as a kid. When did you actually start having your first weird experiences, whether you can attribute it to sasquatch or not. When you're out in the woods, things would have happened, and you don't think about it at the time, and until you start discovering more and more
about experiences. People said, one of my first experiences is back in the early nineties, my brother and a friend of ours went coon hunt. They didn't even let us take the dogs, and we'd go let them out down on the creek and they would go tree. We had let loose one night in the dog struck a trill. They got on the creek. They got on the other side of the creek. It was in the springtime of the year. It was actually a Loan creek, which some of the people know
anything about. Stanley County is where it happened at and my brother's the only one that had waiters on. Well, he crossed the creek to go get the dogs and we'd let the dogs go, and that they had tried, but as my brother was crossing the creek, stones were getting thrown at them, and they were hitting a creek as he crossed, and he thought it was us and it wasn't us. But when he got to the tree, the dogs met him before he got there. Those dogs didn't leave the tree.
My dad, he always picked that that he'd done a lot of coon hunts and things like that. If there was just the mean dollars that he would pick with guys, said you'll find my dogs hide and nailed to the tree. If something happened, they didn't leave the tree. They did that night and they were went from anyhow, when he got the dogs, it was a low water bridge about five hundred yards down on an old dirt road.
So me and our friend walked on this side and my brother was on the other side, and he said he could hear something walking along with him as he got to the low water bridge. But whenever we met up at the low water bridge, we didn't hear anything or anything like that. Everything just stopped. That was that incident. Another one when I was in college. The family end that we have is in Montgomery County. That's where my
grandma I grew up. Her brothers, and my great grandfather and great grandmother and mom and dad lived there now, and I would always when I'd come home from school from college I went to State, and I would check on my great uncle to see if you need anything. Because he didn't drive. My grandparents would get pick him up sometimes taking grocery shopping and stuff. And I would check on whenever I come in. We always kept feeders out.
We didn't always keep corning the feeder, especially during springtime, just to I got there and I checked on. He didn't need eat things. I just went out there and walked around, check it on the feet, make sure he's still hanging in tree. And it was just a weird ceiling. And that's all I can explain. Never did see anything, never did hear anything. But I have never felt uncomfortable in those looks. I've been hunting for thirty five years, and that's just one of those things that I've never had
that feeling since. So that one day was different as far as that goes now, about four years ago it was the last of dear season. I remember it then. I can remember hearing bobcats and and things like that out there at Mom and Dad's hunt. But four years ago was right at five o'clock because I looked at my watch when it happened and I heard some coyotes sound off. But before the coyotes sounded off, there was something that sounded off before it. It wasn't a coyote. It wasn't a bobcat, it
wasn't a cougar, it wasn't anything like that. I listened to some of the sounds, like the Ohio sound, stuff like that. It wasn't necessarily like that, but it was. I don't know, it was just hard to explain, but it wasn't anything I'd ever heard before. And I just thought it was weird because it went on from probably thirty seconds to a minute that the coyotes were sounding off to but the coyotes didn't go that much longer after that. It was weird. Looking back now thinking about some of that
stuff, you just could it have been. And that's like I said, I've never had a personal experience as far or seeing anything, but just experiencing some weird things. You're going to have that hunting wood. You're going to experience things. But those were just what got my attention. Maybe the best way to say it, you said. The sound was like a roaring kind of sound. It sounded like it was loud enough that you could car it. It was probably a half mile away something like that. It wasn't a
mile or anything like that. But where I was hunting at and where mom and Dad's places, there's a dirt road that comes up through there, and it was on the other side there on the game lands. I was looking through the email that you sent. There was something about five years ago when you were hunting and you heard some tree nocks. Can you tell us a little bit about that experience. Yeah. Usually I go to mom and Dad's
where we live at. It's just easier for me to go spend the night before so I don't have to drive as far and I can just get up and go into woods. I had walked out that evening I heard something behind the house. It was dark. It was no way to explain that of them, and it was just dark, and it was probably eight o'clock something like that. But the dogs usually bark when a deer around. That's just
what hounds do. They bark. And that night whenever you could hear something moving down the ridge behind the house, and you could hear what sounded like tree knocks, because, like I said, I thought it was you know, two bucks sparring in there. But it wasn't a full fledge flashing like you think of whenever Antler's flash. It was just a knock here, a knock there. And to go along with that, the pictures I sent you
with those trees that were pushed over is on the same holler. There's a laurel thicket that goes back in there and it was right in line where I founded those trees that had been you know, pushed over last year. And just peculiar. It's one of those things. I don't know what it was, but it perplexed me. Like I said, I thought it was just dear until you started to hear more and more about tree knocks and things like. You don't know, but it's just peculiar with that stuff that goes on.
Yeah, I never really gave a whole lot of thought to or even credit to tree knocks. Maybe a month and a half two months ago, I heard what sounded like four power knocks at three o'clock in the morning here on my property. I went out to take a whiz off the front poor chill at three o'clock in the morning and I hear bam on the back of
this ridge behind our house here. There's no other explanation in description I can give other than it sounds like what people call power knocks, thunder knocks whatever associated with bigfoot. I don't know, man, It just it really unsettled me because I'm like, yeah, we've had weird things here, We've had vocalizations and weird stuff, but it just seems like in the last six or nine months activity has picked up here. And it's really strange because we haven't
heard vocalizations or any of that stuff recently. But it's other things. It's the tree knocks, finding footprints very close to our house, which is a
little unnerving and unsettling in and of itself. But I'm always curious about the tree knocks because again, like I said, I just never really put a whole lot of thought into it. But I did a show recently, I think it was this past week about chimps doing the chest beating that they do and the drumming that they do. They actually use things to drum, to the point where scientists have been able to literally pick out individuals not seeing them,
just hearing the drumming that they've documented over multiple times, and it's so individualized for these chimpanzees. They know which chimps do in it by name, just on the drumming. So I thought, I'm going to read that for everybody on the show, because that could be very much in correlation with what people are experiencing with tree knocks. It may go beyond just a communication, Hey I'm over here, Hey you're over there. Hey there's a couple of
guys hunting in this area, or whatever it might be. Again, it's all speculation, but I thought it was very interesting that chimps do that to the point where the scientists, like I said, can literally pick out which chimp's doing it. Could say, squatch be doing the same thing. I don't know. I just I found it interesting, and I really picked up on that in your email and wanted to definitely touch on the tree knocks because again, outside of the four that I've heard here, never heard anything like
it before or since. It's one of those things that if you hear it, you know it the same way you hear a BombCast strength. The first time you hear it is going to get your attention, and then after that you know what it is, same way with the deer blowing in the woods. Deer blows at you, and you know what that is. And that's the thing. Like I said, I just there was some and I can't prove anything, just like you said, speculation. It's just interesting because nobody
ever said anything that's get into his family stories. Nobody ever said anything growing up. You know, my uncle John, whenever we would hunt, he was one or two veterans, just as hard as nails. He snake logs out. That was his job. And he'd always tell us to be careful because there will hunt out or you've got copperheads, you've got rattlesnake. So you got this now, but he was always telling us to be careful. Didn't find out. Just a couple of years ago, Daddy was just we
were talking about it. And back in the fifties or sixties, my great grandpa and my uncle John her commotion out there at hog. It just so happened. It was a full moon night and there's a six acre field out there behind their house. So they went outside and there was something in the hog. Then two hogs, one of each arm, that weighed a hundred pounds and started off across the field, said it was tall, said it
was Harry, and my great grandpa actually shot it. Now, I don't know what he shot at it with, but I know that he loved the deer hunt with twenty gage, that's probably what he used. But he didn't slow it down any and it didn't holler. He just took off. Mom and Dad. Mom doesn't like to talk about it. She's scared to death because when to find a big foot show come out. They've done the town
hall there Montgomery County. They had friends that were calling and tell my mom for all this stuff's going on, and Daddy worked, he was having to work that night. She was just scared to death. But Mom and Dad has heard streams, well, I guess screams the best way to say it. Vocalizations around there. Just sitting down on the trunk porch. Dady said he heard what a week and a half ago. I think it was on Wednesday night, about three o'clock in the morning. He had woken up and
he heard one screaming. He said he didn't hear one, you know, but he said, John, he said, there's nothing else that could have been. It was three o'clock in the morning, he said, the dogs weren't barking. That one was going on, he said, and it was just as clear as day. Because out there macgovern Cowny and the middle you are is when it's quiet. It's one of the shoe places. You can get out and just roll around and it really be quieter than being in the
mountains. But Dad has seen pictures of basketwatch or Bigfoot, what everyone will say on trail camps. Saw his friends, he said, john you can see shoulders, he said, you can see arms, you can see the hair. He said, it is plain to day what it is. There's a road that goes between and they're land in game lands. This an old road bed that's been there forever that was cut out by the how many years
ago? But did he said? Usually the dogs walking all the time, like I said, but night, that's one of the things with hounds. But he said sometimes when he's outside, and he said, it doesn't happen all the time. It's happened a few times since they've lived there in twenty years, that the dogs will get quiet. But he can hear something walking up the road. He said, Johnny, there's a smell. He said,
it's not a skunk smell. You know what it smells like. He said, when you're at river, that smell at the river like a fish smell. That's what it smells like. You can smell it. And they don't live anywhere near river, but whenever they're gone, when you don't smell me. So it's just it's one of those things. You can't prove it, but it's just peculiar that things like that would happen. I'm reading over
your email. I'm trying to think of some of the stories because there with some My brother's been hunting back in there and killed deer and something past him out and said he was coming out with a deer, and we don't know what it was. It could have been anything. The North Carolina and Walleye says there's not Couber's in North Carolina. That's what they say. But you've had plenty of people that have seen them, and they've seen tracks and everything
else. There's rumors of Couber's under U Rris. It's one of those things. Could it have been that now they have been up bear season in North Carolina and Pimont Now it's been a long time ago, but could have been a bear. I don't know, and he doesn't know as far as I coud. What are the interesting stories that you included in your email was about your uncle was a deputy sheriff in Stanley County and he had some stories.
Why don't you go into some of those? Those are very interesting. My uncle he has always been interested in the paranormal, just for me coming up, because he would talk about seeing UFO sometimes when we camped out and all. But he would tell us they was, Oh, it had to be in the It was in the nineties when he was steal the deputy sheriff. He was doing the ride along with a state trooper. They were in Stanley County. They were crossing a bridge, getting right across the bridge Rocky River.
They said him and both that trooper seen something cross the road. They said it was big and dark. It was tall. He said that Johnny wasn't short. He said it was over six foot. My uncle's about sixty three, but he's not short either. He said, we've seen it, and we stopped because it went over the guardrail, the fall from the guardrail and then go completely into the river. The bangshure right there and it was
probably a ten or fifteen foot drop. They said, we thought it was probably somebody that had camped out, drank too much and tumbled over the guardrail. When they looked down, it was nothing there. John, that was nothing there, he said, I'm telling you, I don't think they reported it because I don't think anybody would have believed them. You know how that
goes with police officers and at Cherish deputies and say troopers and everything. It was odd, But there's a rapport on the bfr old website from back in the mid nineties of a lady that had an experience in that same area. That's something across the road right there at I found this first story on the BFRO website. Her encounter took place in Stanley County, North Carolina, between the towns of oap Boro and Aquadale in the fall of nineteen ninety four.
As I navigated the road around ten thirty pm, I noticed a figure looming on the left where the road very right. I flicked my head lights to fullbeam, swerved left, and headed straight towards it. My car positioned sideways on the road. As I approached, I halted, gaining a clear view of the entity. It towered so high that I had to lean forward towards the steering wheel to gaze up at its face. I could distinctly make out a mail figure from just above his knees to the top of his head.
I locked eyes with him, feeling as though he was communicating with me through his gaze. He allowed me to observe him closely before he nodded, signaling me to move on. He stood at a staggering height of at least seven feet, adorned with silver and black hair, some strands reaching four to five inches long. His skin, where visible, was dark and rugged, akin to someone who spent a lot of time outdoors. His eyes mirrored those of a dog, specifically an Alaskan husky, and he had a broad, flat
nose and a wide, thin mouth reminiscent of a man's. He remained silent, his mouth shut, simply standing there, blinking occasionally and making gestures with his head and eyes. When he nodded, I understood it was time to depart. I slowly turned the steering wheel, feeling somewhat dazed, and continued down the road. I estimated that I had been there for about fifteen to twenty minutes. I reached home located about a quarter mile up the road,
trembling with excitement and barely able to walk. Despite the encounter, I never felt fear. I guess it just adds a little bit of lidity. I don't think my uncle will lie to him or eatthing like that. That is just one of those things. And he's gotten some pictures of footprints over the years there where he lives at, and he's had some pictures of my shine whenever he was out and he told me, he said, Johnny said, I know there's deer around, but this was too high for a deer.
You look at a deer in this four foot off the ground where the head's at, and you're seeing the eyes, he said, this is a whole lot taller than that. He said to spacing between the eyes was just it was just more than a deer would be. Just to interest in some of those things that you know, you just didn't hear about it up until nowadays here in Davy County. I don't know if you got to look at this, I say foot print, It looks like a footprint. It's some kind
of print. I'll just put it that way. That me and my son got three years ago and I sat on it and sat on it and sat on it, and finally lights fallow. I showed it to Daddy and said, Eddie, what do you think about this? He didn't say much. He said, that's just really interesting. You found that out there at your place. But we don't live but about a mile and a half from the Yacin River es Pro flies. The Yactin River turns into the p D River
in North Carolina. Ri River comes into the PD River, Long Creek, Rocky River feed into the PD from Piedmont. That's the main river here into Piedmont. It's just interests. And whenever I found that track, I got to look and found some reports on the gilth toosed Bigfoot research and they had some reports of people here in vocalizations here in Davy County down Long River.
This second story also comes from the BFRO website. This encounter took place in Moxville, North Carolina, in the summer of nineteen seventy seven, twenty six years ago. During a summer filled with teenage adventures, my cousin, my friend, and I decided to camp out in a quaint town called Moxville, North Carolina. Approximately twenty five miles away from Winston Salem. After setting up our tent in a field about two hundred yards from my friend's house, with
the woods just one hundred yards away, we began preparing a fire. Suddenly we heard the sound of something sprinting through the nearby woods, rapidly approaching the edge. Without hesitation, we sprinted towards my friend's house, following an old motorcycle path that cut through knee high weeds. Despite our efforts, the mysterious entity almost caught up to us. Glancing back, we witnessed it standing amidst the flames, tossing logs out of the fire. It stood an astonishing eight
feet tall, covered in thick hair. Trembling with fear, we reached my friend's house and immediately recounted our harrowing experience to his mother. Having grown up on a farm, she was not easily frightened and initially laughed off our story. However, her laughter quickly turned to terror when she ventured outside to retrieve some clothes from the clothesline. She returned moments later petrified, describing an enormous
creature unlike anything she had ever seen. It resembled a large monkey, towering at least eight feet tall. Throughout the night, we could hear it circling the house, and on a few occasions it even ventured onto the porch. We were paralyzed with fear, too terrified to look outside and without a phone to call for help. Eventually, the first light of dawn arrived and the creature vanished. As we gathered our courage and emerged from the house. We
examined the spot where it had emerged from the woods. The branches were snapped off up to a height of about eight feet. Following this encounter, I delved into every book I could find on Bigfoot. It all started to make sense, the strong sin of yearing we had detected before it emerged from the woods, and the imposing figure we had witnessed. Until now, I have only shared this story with my family, but I have no doubt in my
mind that what we encountered that night was indeed Bigfoot. And stay tuned for more sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages. It's just really interest as far as that goes, that there would be things going on, and not just that you hear different areas. What was the one in Chaser there in North Carolina. I can't remember the name they gave it. And then you hear in other places, but you just don't think of
anything around your house. I guess best Lay's say, because we've never heard. We've heard diutes and stuff, but never heard anything. As far as I go here, I'm always interested in talking about the trail camp pictures. I've talked about this so many times. I think there is a ton of that stuff out there that most of us will never see because people just don't want to deal with the problems that come along with releasing that kind of stuff.
Even you had a picture of a footprint and you didn't show it to anybody for quite a while, because I'm assuming I don't want to put words in your mouth, but very much like me, I think you're apprehensive to put that stuff out there, because when I first started finding things on the property here, I didn't want to tell anybody about it. Honestly, I'm a dude who does a big Foot podcast, right, I never thought I
would be like that. I've even said it recently on other interviews. I think I said it to Cliff and Bobo when I was on with them on Bigfoot and beyond. You get to a point where you just don't want to deal with the repercussions of putting stuff out there, because everybody becomes a keyboard vigilante and they start calling you hoaxer and all these crazy things. I'm not saying anything definitive here. I'm just putting out what's happening on my property,
what I experience, what i'm seeing, and what i'm finding. You take what you want and leave the rest. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I'm just sharing my experiences because I think it's important. I say it all the time. Every little piece of the puzzle is data. A
picture of your footprint. I took pictures of a footprint that I didn't get to cast here a couple of months ago, and I'm so thankful that I took my camera on that hike, or took my phone on that hike to take a picture, because I showed it to Cliff barrick Man from Finding Bigfoot when we were hanging out in Idaho, and Cliff was like, dude, that's a Sasquatch print, one of the best I've seen. You should have casted it. But at least I had the photo to say, take a
look at this and just tell me what you think. I didn't say, hey, look at this bigfoot print, Cliff. I just said, hey, just take a look at these pictures and tell me what you think. And that was what he thought. It's so frustrating to me that there are
tons of people out there. And I say tons. It's probably not as many as I would like it to be, but I think there are a lot of people out there who have evidence, They have pictures of these things, they have videos from trail cams, god knows what else, and we'll never see it. And I think shows like Finding Bigfoot did a lot of good in putting that into the homes of so many people and making it a
little bit more mainstream to talk about. And I'm so glad that they came down in areas like North Carolina and did some investigations and gave people the opportunity to say, look, come tell us your stories. Let's talk about what's going on here, because I do think there are some things going on. I don't think these things are as prevalent as I would hope them to be in this area, but I do think they're hanging around here. Because some
of the things that have happened to me recently. I can't explain the last two foot prince I cast on my property. I haven't showed them to anybody. I haven't showed anybody any photos of them because they turned out too good. And I know that's stupid to say. It almost sounds stupid to say as I'm saying it, but they look really good. Some of the other ones that I've cast look like crap, and these it's whatever this is stepped in was soft enough after a rain that it's like three and a half inch
impressions, and I was able to get some really good cast. But I don't know that I'll show them to anybody, to be honest with you, because the second I do, they're going to say, oh, to hoax, there's no such thing as bigfoot, so those aren't real, you know. So is that one of the things that you experienced when you talk to people about it in that area? Is it still taboo or do you think people are more apt to talk about it nowadays and open up about it.
I think people would pick and choose their battles a lot of times. That's like me and my son found that it was a creep bed, it was a shallock creek, and there were the print is you can just barely see the hill, but then you can see the two impressions. But it's so thick right there you would have been able to find any more footprints going up out of the creek because it's so thick. I didn't think about casting it. It would have probably made a pretty good cast as far as that goes,
but I've heard cliffs say too. It takes practice to cast to get that mixture just right, and plaster is not the easiest thing to work with. Now I did. I showed it to Daidy last fall, and a couple of weeks ago I sent it to my roommate from college because we both donted and you enjoyed, and we stay in contact. And I said it to him, I said, we just think about this. He said it's interesting, and he drew his little picture on his phone would send it back
to me. And he said, is this where the hill's at? And I said exactly, because the phone case is down there in this long case of six inches long, so the track is anywhere between twelve and thirteen inches. But then he went and started telling me about experiences that he had on his farm. He lives in Horn County down around Fable and Raleigh and everything, and he's never seen anything, but he's experienced a few things between his
goats and chickens and stuff like that. So it's just one of those things that it's just odd that I think they were just picking juice of bowels because I asked Dad, I said, Dan, is there anyway you can get a comfort those pictures? And he was like now, he said, you're not able to get copies those pictures. They said they're going to keep them from them. They basically what you just said. They just don't want to put up the ridicule if somebody has something to say about it. It's sad.
It's really sad because me and my wife talk about it. I told you, I believe that there could be something out there. The evidence shows that something's going on. I guess spit's let's say it, and that stuff's not going to come to light until he can do You can have people research and stuff like found that. She looked at Jane Goodall, how long did it take for people to leave her with her research that was going on? And now she's all of respected for the research she's done, but it's took
years. It's just one of those things that unfortunately, like a law of the podcasts and people talk about, I didn't take the body to trus it's real pictures aren't going to do it just this. The footprints aren't going to do it justice, handprints or whatever. That's the sad part about it. The first footprint that I casted here on the property, I was walking the dogs one morning and there's a footprint right in the middle of the path where
we walked the dogs a couple of times a day. It looked like a possibly a double step bear print. It looked like a whole lot of things, but I could clearly see what looked like five toes and I ended up casting it. And the cast turned out pretty well, much better than I thought. It was only about an inch and a half deep, and it was only there because it was a low spot and we'd had in the previous couple of days and water settles right there. Of course, I posted a
video of me doing the cast. I posted some before and after I put a tape measure down. I took some pictures of the tape measure. I did all the things that you're supposed to do as an investigator, because I'm just documenting and putting the data out there. I posted it on Facebook. It's gotten like thirty thousand views on our show Facebook page at this point, Paranormal War Productions page on Facebook. And the comments there's probably six or seven
hundred comments. Some people are like, awesome, that's great way to go. I'm glad you cast. It took some pictures, it looks cool, whatever. But the haters come out of the woodword man, And I never said it's a big footprint. I literally just said, hey, I found this weird thing on my property. I'm documenting what I found. It was more about just showing people a little bit about how to cast, because a lot of people don't know how to do a cast. I still learn something
every day. I learned from Cliff, I learned from Bobo, people who have been doing this way longer than me, about how to cast, what to use. I've used high I've used ultracal, I've used a plane plaster of Paris from Freakin' Low's to try to get the best mixture of what works and what doesn't. I personally like the hydracal seems to be the best for me. That's what I've used a couple of times in the last few casts that I've made, and it works for me. Some people might say it's
crap. I don't know, but that's what I use and it works for me. But you put that stuff out there and people just literally come out of the woodwork to destroy you. And if I'm not saying anything definitive about what it is, I have to put a disclaimer on the comments. And I just finally said, look, if I remove your comment, it's not because I don't like you disagreeing with me. It's just because you're an asshole.
The only thing that makes me take a comment down if it's just unbearably rude, I'm going to delete your comment because I don't want to read it and other people shouldn't have to read it. So but I love people to disagree with me. I do don't want to talk to people all the time who agree with me. I think it's important, Like you said, Roger, I had Roger on the show a couple of it's probably been a couple of months ago, but I met Roger in the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot conference this
year, I handled the on stage encounter's portion of that show. Roger was one of the people who told his story for the first time on stage that day at the Smokies, and then I had him on as a follow up on the show. And when I was at the smokes Roger was telling me he and his son were there they got to see a guy pulled them aside and showed them a trail cam picture of a sasquatch they're at the event.
Roger said it was amazing. He said, I could see muscle detail, I could see the veins in this thing's arms where the hair was rubbed. He said, it was probably the most amazing picture that nobody will ever see because this guy will not let it get out there. It showed him because he knew Roger. He had followed his stuff online and stuff and trusted him enough to show him the picture. But I don't know, man, It's
sad that it's like that. But we tend to eat our own in this business and this bigfoot community for whatever reason, and it's just really sad to me. I don't want to get out of here because I'm looking through your email and I want to make sure we cover everything we talked about Booger Haller. That's one of the stories I had forgotten because you'd asked about my uncle.
When I was trying to go through things during that time, when is the deputy sheriffs Booger Hallers there when we were hunting at that creek goes down into Booger Holler and it's big cold Booger Haulers for over one hundred years. And the legend is that a dad and son were crossing the bridge. It was during the thunderstorm and the water got up and the wagon tipped over or
something. Dad and son died. They say, if you go down there, you could hear streams, and they say it's the streams of the mother whenever she went down there and found the husband and son dead. There's people that fish down there, there's people that camp down there. There's always been spooky stuff. This went all down there. Maybe that's the best way to say it. But my uncle was sallow. Back in the nineties, there was some guys who went down there was fishing and said they had us.
They had her tents. They had a campfire going and it was late. They were sitting there around the campfire and they had something walking around the campfire. It started growling and then it yelled. Those guys I telled it because whenever they could see from the fire, they couldn't see a figure. All they could see were red eyes, And to me, it sounds like it was an eye shine from the fire. Those guys get out on just tore
out of there, and I would have too. They come back either the next day or the day after that during daylight, and they got down there and everything was torn to pieces. It was torn to pieces, coolers, all food, everything was just strong all over the place and just torn to pieces. Don't know whatever come to that or anything. And that was the story of my uncles share. It had been prevy till whenever he's worked for Sherif's farm. It's weird. A lot of that stuff's just weird. There
was some book. It was a guy named Fred Moore that I think you put out two books about the Haunted Us and just different stories about the U. Rris. Now I can't remember this one in there about the wood Burger, but I know there was several stories in their mountain witches and the lights
and things like that. I've heard some of the guys that you've had on here from the Gumer County talking about I can't remember it was Bobby was one of them from I think the first your first year Bobby Fish or something like that, and they lived there in Rris and I was asking, Daddy, you know anybody who said, I know some fishes. They said, but it ain't gonna bring a bell. And then the other guy that you had
on there that does research, but I know he does research. Montgomery and Moore County and I think Randolph County talking about seeing sasquatch, But that's my biggest thing. And I don't know that I would. I'd love to see one, but i'd love if I saw one. I'd love to see it from a distance, not up closet while I'm sitting in a tree stand or something. I had friends in high school that would talk about things that went on along Long Creek and just scared them to death while they were dear hunting
and stuff they couldn't explain. Like I said, a lot of us just picking and choosing your battles, when it just seems like people that spend more time outdoors see more things or experience more things, whether it's deer hunters, hunters you rabbit hunter hunt or even hiking, but if you're not out there and you're not looking, you're not going to sign anything. And that's the reason I didn't really had to put anything on Facebook about the possible footprints,
because I was like, you, we've got some bear around here. You don't see them a lot. But if it was a double step, the only we would have found that out would have been able to do a cast to see if there was another impression on top of that one. And then
those the trees that pushed over trees that I found last year. I went into Dating four to go check on the tree stands and everything, and seeing them didn't get pictures that day, I was like, maybe I should get pictures on the way back out that first day, and I did, and there's no dead fall around them. There's nothing around them. Do I know that's what it was, But it's peculiar because you've got mixed hard woods and pines and everything in there. So if it would have been windfall, that
would have been more things down than just those two. I think they were making trees five or six foot up where they were broke off, but I haven't put that out there because I just part of the reason. I just suber you're crazy. You're seeing something you're not, so I don't know, it's just peculiar. So everything's data, man. I say it all the time, no matter how minute you think it is or how small you think
it is. I think it's important that people get to see it. And just like the stories, man, I love the old stories that have been told throughout your family's history. I think it's really cool that they passed that on to you, and you're able to pass it on to other people like me in the area who are interested in it and maybe even experience some of the same stuff. So I really appreciate you coming on and sharing all that with us. Man. Oh, gotcha. I appreciate it, Brian,
because that's a big thing. I'm just trying to find some answers. I'd love to see one. I'll go back and forth whether they exist, and I'm not going to say they don't exist because there's too much evidence out there and say there's not something there. I guess just bring some closure to it and they say see and believe in I guess that's the best way to say it as far as that goes. And I could go out this fall and see if I go hunting mom and dads or here in one whenever I'm there.
If you do, you got to come back here and tell us about it. I will, I'll let you know. I'll let you know if I see anything while I'm there, and I'll certainly share that with you. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want to be happens chart this chart, that chart everything. Call me r, get back, cricket back Joy for me, Joy, stay right, you come it right away? Still step down, doss stasssssssss