Hey everybody, this is Less Driving. Yes, yes, I know, aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Eysen he did. Welcome back to sasquatch Os. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Wednesday. I hope you are having a great week. We have two amazing guest lines up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be able to show, shoot me an email you get me a Brian at Paringomoworldproductions dot
com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support this show. I got to sit down with Jason and Josh from Alabama and they are a father and son bigfoot research team over there, and they had some really really cool experiences near Falk, Arkansas, in the Boggy Creek area, So I'll let them tell you all about that
in just a minute. They recorded some video and some audio and it's some really interesting stuff and I've included it here in the episode for you to hear it as we're talking about it, and I'm going to link to those videos over on the sasquatch Otassey Blog, So make sure you head over to Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the sasquatch Otassey Blog at the top of the page there and you can see the videos that we're referencing that I pulled the
audio from here. This was a really cool conversation. I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving, so I just want to take a couple of seconds and say, from all of us here at the Paranormal World Productions family, the sasquatch Otasey family, we want to say to you and yours Happy Thanksgiving and I hope that you guys are having an amazing holiday and spending some time with friends and family. At the end of the day, that's really all that matters. So from us to you,
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. But for now, Jason and Josh are on the line. They're ready to go. I'm gonna let the music play. You guys, sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Welcome my guests to the show. It is Jason and Josh from Alabama. Welcome to the show, guys. Thank you. So let's get right into it. Let's start with Jason first. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Tell us
what got you interested in the subject to begin with. Probably like anybody else, I remember seeing the Patterson inland Field when I was six or seven, maybe on in search of or Ripley's Believe It or Not, And I do remember being a little freaked out as a six or seven year old thinking that thing lives in the woods. Really got into it at a young age, read all the library books that I could find about it, and always followed
it to a certain degree. As I got older. As a teenager, I got into guitar and didn't really forget about big book, but that became my main focus. I had some friends when I was in high school who had some experiences. Because where I was born and raised in Row County, Alabama, there's actually a little bit of a history of some Sasquatch activity. It's not really talked about in the open. I had two friends who had some experiences. I have a good friend of mine who still lives in Monroe
County. He and I grew up together and he still is having experiences. Probably about four years ago I really jumped back into it because of my friend who was having experiences on his property, and I just started back reading everything I could get my hands on, Lauren Coleman's book, Lyle Blackbird's books, Doctor Meldrum, Doctor Prince, doctor Bender Nagel, just reading up on everything
that I could. I was always fascinated with it. But then when my friend from Wnroevo was telling me about some of the things he was happening, and it was really cool because I remember texting him going, so these stories
we heard growing up there, they're really oh yeah. And my dad actually had an experience that he only told us about when he had been drinking and I was probably a teenager, and he had one that basically crossed the road in front of him one night and then, as he said, dropped down like a gorilla tk And it was a number of years later there was a local news story about a possible bigfoot sighting and I just asked my dad. I was like, hey, you remember that thing? You saw it?
He just looked in and said, I don't know what I saw. Let's just leave it that. So I grew up around with a little bit of some bigfoot history mon backyard, so to speak. But yeah, really got into it. About four or five years ago, and he actually was a little bit more skeptical. He would see my books and go big. But Dad really really and he did it first. And then when we had our experience now he was like, oh wow, I think there's something to it.
And probably what really hit it home for me. And so when I jumped back into the researching victim on my own, so to speak, I had a good hard look at the Patterson Yemlin film and you probably remember there was the MK Davis stabilization footage. I'm a paramedic. I've been a paramedic since nineteen ninety six, was a full time first responder up until twenty twelve, and now I teach full time at a university. I'm a non tenured professor. I'm not an anatomist, I'm not a physician, but I have
a working knowledge of the human body. And looking at the MK Davis footage just really was like, oh wow, there's muscles in this thing. You can see things FLEXI if that's a soup man, that's beyond Planet of the Apes quality for the time. And that was what really was like, there may actually be something to it. Because I remember when the Bob peronymous story came out and I remember watching that footage side by side, going that's not even the same. Oh, but still I am still a little bit skept
well, And that's one thing I have always been. I don't think everything is a sasquatch. And since our experience at Boggy Creek, we've been doing some research here closer to home. We've been following the Bigfoot mapping project and there was a road crossing in Florida. We live only really about thirty minutes from Florida, but this road crossing was about an hour away from us in Florida, and we've been going over there and researching the area. It's rot
on the edge of a huge state force there. We haven't located the witness we'd like to, but we've been searching around there and we had some interesting things pop up. So we're very new at the research game. But that kind of is what did it when what happened to us at Bogging Creek, which really came as a shock that could kind of set everything in motion. And again he was the skeptic, and then after that he was like, oh wow, there's something to it. I definitely want to get to Boggy
Creek. But I'm going to go to Josh my Man the skeptic, my fellow skeptic here. Obviously we've covered that already. But was that something that you really thought your dad was crazy because he was into bigfoot or was it an interest of yours at all before you had an experience. I thought it was kooky yet first, but then I looked into it and then it just sounded like an animal to me, So I didn't really think about it until
what happened. Smart man. I want to go into Boggy Creek and you guys having your experience, But before we get there, you mentioned Monroe County. Let's talk a little bit about what your friend had going on in his property, what kind of experiences where they have, What was he sharing with you about what was going on their property? His property he since sold it that he's bought more property in the same area. It borders the Munroe and
the Connecta counties. Along that border is a river called the Sepulga River, and there's been a lot of sightings along the Sepulba River since about twenty twelve. They've been popping up. He's been doing a little bit of research on his own. But he was telling me that he was leaving to go to work in As he was driving up, because he lives out in the country, he said he saw eye shine but it was at least seven feet tall,
and at first it caught him off guard. He was thinking, and that's a really big deer, and then when he got close he saw what it was and then it ran off. But when he was a teenager, he hunted a lot around the Monroe Connecta County line and also the Monroe and Clark County line. On both sides of the county, there's rivers. The Alabama River is the border between Clark and Monroe County, and the Subulba is part of the border between Connecta and Monroe County. But again there's that correlation,
if you will, between swamps and rivers and sightings. But he was having a lot of sightings on his property. Of the last one he told me about was he and his daughter who was home from college. They were going out to check a deer feet on their property, and when they pulled up where the deer feeder was, they saw one turn around and walk out run away from him. He said it was every bit of seven feet tall, and where my dad had his siding wasn't an area close to the Alabama
River. And his siding was really strange because he worked for the phone company his whole life and he would have to call once of the month. This is back in the days of landline, so if somebody phone was fritzen out, they would call the they'd called the work line, and he would have to go out and do it. And he told me that he went to this house and it was way back in the woods, and when he got
there and my dad knew everybody nearby knew. My dad said he had two guys basically meet him at his work truck with choppolins, and they said my dad was named j JP Getting the house, Getting the house. So my dad's working on his phone and he hears this thing screaming off in the distance, and the guys are like, we don't know what that is, but it's killed my hogs. My dad grew up in that area too, in southwest Monroe County. My dad he fished. He wasn't like that hunter,
but he fished so much. He knew animals, towns and all that. He told me and my friend the one that actually has the experiences on property because we were teenagers. He says, I've never heard or anything like that. And when he left the house, he pulled out and he was headed around a curve and he said it walked out in front of him, and he slammed on grapes and he said it looked like a gorilla and then it
dropped down in what he described like knuckleball into the woods. Now he had been drinking when he told us this, so we took it with a grain of salt. And my dad had a great sense of humor, but I can always tell when he was serious. When I asked him about that experience. I was actually in Pyramedic school and I just remember something on the local news about a possible big foot side and I was like, Dad, is he something like that? And he just looked at me and said, I
don't know what I saw. Let's just sleep that. He'd never talked about it again, but that area, it was very pushed about those sightings. Of my two buddies in high school, one had an experienced in the tree stand. He was about to get down out of a tree stand, heard some rustling, smelled something really nasty. Thought at first it was a hog, and that he described it as a part of my bridge, a big damn gorilla walking through the woods, and he said it scared and so bad.
He had a thirty all to six and he was like, I didn't feel safe. And then he had to make the decision do I get down and go to my vehicle put or do I spend the night in a tree stand. And some other friends of mine they were on a dirt road going near a creek and they thought they happened upon a bear. Now bear and Monroe County are very rare of it. They're there. They thought it was a bear, this said, until it stood up and they said, big
ethan gorilla and it jumped across the road and ran away. But that was the thing is nobody really talked about it. They would just say, hey, let me tell you what I saw out in the woods, that sort of thing. So I grew up with those stories and my buddy, that's the kind of stuff that he was telling me. He's had footprints, he ate, even one of his hunting dogs killed. He's pretty sure that's what
did it. But yeah, the area where I grew up in Monroe County Alabama has a kind of has a little bit of a hushed history of SIDI and encounters of that nature. It definitely sounds like it. So let's get to your encounter that you guys had down in Falk, Arkansas. Take us back to where you guys were, what were you doing, and what happened
to you? Just the backstory is I'm teaching University of South Alabama and I was doing a recruiting trip to Louisiana Delta Community College there in West Monroe, and I decided to take Josh with me little father son road trip, and I'd been the year before, and when I was in my hotel room, I just googled to see how closed fout because I saw Legend of Boggy Creek as a teenager. I saw it on VHS and liked it, giggled at it a little bit, but I still liked the story behind it because it
reminded me of some of the stuff that I heard in Monroe County. So I googled it and saw that, oh facts only two hours and so told Josh. I was like, hey, let's go to the Monster Market. And it was closed because it was a Sunday, but we took some pictures in front of the mock ups and all that, and then we decided to go see Boggy Creek itself. And there's a website I think it's about monthster dot net. It actually got pulled up and I can show you the locations.
You can compare our video. It's exactly it's the County Road seven picture about months for dot net. We went there and it was at least one hundred degrees. It was really hot because it was August thirteenth of this year. So we drove north Old seven across the creek and we found a little
spot and we turned around and we were parking facing south. I was just gonna take pictures because this is the legendary Body Creek, and it was actually Josh's idea to just record it. We reported a little bit of something and they just walking up taking pictures and we were there maybe ten twenty minutes, don't remember how long. I just remember it's hot. And then as we were walking back to the car, I did notice that the west side of
the creek was completely silent. Now this is around twelve thirty and afternoon. In the east side of the creek, very noisy, creek creaters, crickets, whatnot. There was a house on the east side of the creek and they had property that out to the creek, and there was another house just south of that one that was probably about twenty five yards off the road with a privacy fence, but there was nobody out there. I did notice that
it was odd that the west side of the creek is completely quiet. And as we're walking back car, Josh is like, Dan, I think I hear something moving, and I said, nice, it's some man war. Then he's let's let's record it it. We got my car roll the windows down in Josh, how did you have We were just using the iPhone, so I just winded sideways propped in the window because it was like they had a little bit of windows sticking up out of the door, and I just
propped it there. And we sat there with the car off, and Josh was hearing things and I heard some things too, but I just assumed it was people. There was probably about a quarter mile south of us was a house because we heard like a squaw, so I'm thinking bird, and then I hear something that sounds like oh, and I'm thinking it's just somebody about a quarter mile down the way. So we it there and we can hear
some more rustling and all that, and then we packed up. We leave and we get back to the hotel and he's in the shower and I'm just popping my EarPods and listen. And that's when on the video he says, did you hear that? And of course I didn't hear it. He says it's a and you hear something right before that goes and he goes, it's ao and he makes the sound. And then right after that, you hear like a knock, and I was listening to that going no. And then
a little later on in the video you can hear some more rustling. You hear something that so was like a then a very a softer wood knock. Soup. I'm rewinding this stuff. God, there's no way we got So when he comes out, I'm like, listen to this. Do you hear this knock? Is that me closing the car door? That's not you closing the car door. You'd already closed the car door before I filmed. And I was like, what about that yell that was coming? And he points
to where the video is he said, that's coming from out there. I said, yeah, I thought so too, And I didn't hear the hooks, but he did. But what was just shocking was listening back to it. And I probably wast have watched that video at least ten times in a row. I was like, there's no way we thought something like that. But it was a weird experience. The fact that everything was quiet on the West Side. I'm not saying it was uneasy, but it definitely there was
definitely a weird vibe going on. When we were walking back. For Josh, it's like, I think I hear something, let's report, and yeah, it was just shocking to hear what's sound like wood knocks and then the sighing and the hooks. But he heard that. And if you watch the video that we said, you hear Josh's commentary, did you hear that? Of course I probably don't hear well. But he heard the hoop and he
heard all that stuff. When I went back and listened, I was like, everything he said he heard, he described it to a t. And we're trying to rationalize, Okay, what could this have been. This could not have been the monster, It had to be something else. But when I was like Okay, maybe there were people in the yard in the house. Maybe that's what we heard. And he goes, nobody in the yard, and I do that too, but I'm trying not to jump to the
conclusion that what we heard. But after listening to it and reaching out to William Lunsford and I sent it to Lyle when Lyle's busy and he's had health problems. But he came back Lunce for it. He's, yeah, this heard these kinds of things too. And I did tell you that it's an email with my friend in back of Monroe County. He's been doing a lot of research. So I sent it to him. I said, Okay, I'm not asking you to validate anything, but tell me what you hear.
Like ten minutes later, he goes, man, I heard like some woods and of wood knocks. I mean, that's nuts. And so I'm like, okay, we're not crazy. We caught some things. That's where we are. I've read and you listen to your podcast and others that there's two roads you go down when you haven't experienced some people are like done never going back in wood again. And we'll talk about it. Which it was like
my dad and then there's the other way. You just really want answers, just want to I'm not crazy, right, there's something that made these sounds. And that's what got us into the research game, so to speak, is with investigating things that are close to us, because now it's okay, we possibly had an experience, so let's try to find some answers. And that's really what we're trying to do it. We're just we're trying to get
answers from experts like you and everybody else. Again, not to validate our experience, but to say, Okay, you might have had something, you might not have had something. Share share, that's always right. Else there's something there. M m, now you got something. Animals are starting to talk now, shes we were here and keep a good spin because we were here. Laur still here, I know Navous like besides as more noisy, that's there's nothing that's like something. I can't you know, we're not top
this. I'm here and so I'm more ruffling on this side. Can just boy, I can't really think it is. Everything's beck by tip now and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea. We'll be right back after these messages. I want to go to my skeptic friend here and talk to Josh for a second. When your dad brought that to your attention, Josh and you put the earbuds in, did you hear the same thing your dad was hearing on the recording that you heard in real time that day? It was
much louder. Surprisingly, I think it was because the microphone on the phone was actually faced outward more out of the car and I was sitting in it, which I think could have amplified it. But also what kind of said it for me as well was when we compared the sounds to coyotes, foxes, We compared it to owls as well, even though I was in the middle of the day and nothing was really similar, and that it did sound pretty much the exact same of what I've heard. There were some sounds that
I didn't hear at all. I don't really think about it when I heard of until he pointed out most of them. I'm so glad that you guys actually captured what you were hearing in real time. Because I just got back from the Radium expedition up in BC, Canada with Todd Standing, I'm going through the hours of audio that I'm gone through every single time we hear something on the audio, you hear us say hey do you hear that, or somebody else say did you hear this? And we heard it clear as day
as we're sitting there, but nothing's on the audio recorder. Now, I did have another recorder that would sit a little further back into the woods that I'm hoping where we were talking a lot of times we were talking when these things were going on, So I'm hoping that when I get through that audio that it was captured. But I admittedly have not watched your video. I don't get into that a whole lot before I have the interviews because I like
to experience everything in real time. So I will post it up on the Sasquatch Odyssey blog so you guys can check it out. I'll probably post it on some social media when this comes out, so the audience can hear and experience what you guys are talking about in real time. It is frustrating because even though if you capture, you still have questions because you didn't see what made the sound. I know it's hard to be definitive, but Josh,
what else could it have been? For you? Being the skeptic in the situation, Is there anything that you can think of that you guys might have heard other than if you rule everything out, OCAM's razor tells you you might have caught a sasquatch on video and audio. The only thing I could think of is right now, tell my head, maybe a cat possibly for the squawk, But everything else, I have no clue. My first thing with the wood knocks when I heard that first loud knock, as I said,
were you recording when I closed the car door? Because I have a hybrid, and I have one of those hybrids that if you shut the car off, the car will not turn off until you open the driver's side door, so to roll the windows down turn the car on. And I had to do that, and I was thinking, Okay, that was me closing the door. That me trying to rationalize what I heard. And then I was like, okay, were there anybody? Was there anybody working in the yard
behind us that was hitting something? And we both remember there was nobody that I don't think there was even anybody home, like there was any cars the driveway. And then the yell that we hear right after the video. You hear the squawk of the year. So the sound was like, Oh, I was like, maybe that was that Alice. That's four miles out us and it still could have been. It was a pretty still day. It was a slight breeze, but again, being one hundred degrees, it was
more like a hair dryer than it was anything else. We were talking, Okay, it could have been this, it could have been that, and then yeah, he started pulling up coyote noises. He started pulling up all these other noises. We started immediately saying, okay, let's look at what it could be first before we go into Okay, this might have been a sasquatch, And I think we did a decent job. That was like after he got out of the shower and he listened to it, and then we
just he started pulling up sounds. Could have been this and that, and then it was like, nothing sounds anywhere close to that. So again he Owkham's razor. It comes out to Okay, since we've eliminated the common things and the fact that after all of these experiences, then the west side of the creek you hear animal noises. Yet in the video, towards the end of the video, you will hear it coming back. And I actually comment about that. I'm like, yeah, now we can hear the creek trittters
back. I don't don't consider myself an outdoorsman, but I spend enough time in the woods growing up to know that if the woods gets quiet, there's something there. And it was just weird that the west side of that creek was just dead calm, while the east side was literally buzzing. And then when we heard the yells and all that, then everything it's like somebody turned the volume up. Then you could hear the creek critters and stuff come back
to life or whatever. So I found that weird, and just the vibe itself was a little weird, and even the videos just trying to pinpoint where we might have been and where these sounds might have come from. It's almost like when we went back and listened to it and we're watching the video, it's like that thing could have been if it was a sasquatch. It wasn't far from us. Actually thinking about it is a little unnerd. We actually joked and said, Dad, what would you have done if you'd have seen
it in the review? Bear, I'm like, bye, We're going, yeah. It's one thing that people really can't understand unless you've been in that situation, is when you think you're really close to what could be a sasquatch. We did that up in Radium. We had a lot of activity going on. We were getting a lot of woodknocks, were hearing what sounded like samurai chatter and whoops, and we ended up taking about a forty five minute
night hike into the middle of the woods. We're seventeen miles out in the middle of the woods to begin with, and then we leave base camp and the comfort our our fire and walk out into the middle of the woods. I'm actually working on that audio. I'll put it out on the show for everybody to hear in the next couple of weeks. But I was shaking uncontrollably. I was a cop for sixteen years. I'm a man's man, right, I'm in the middle of the freaking woods, and me and Kyle's dad,
Richard are shaking uncontrollably. And that was cold outside. Admittedly it was pretty chilly, but I had thermals on. Dude. I was ready for this kind of stuff. And I believe I can't prove this obviously, it's subjective, but I think we were close to something, and I think my body was telling me, dude, you need to be going the opposite way, and you're walking towards this. I don't think my body wanted me to go where we were going. I said all that to say, unless you've
been in that situation, it's very difficult to describe the feeling. I've heard people talk about it on the show of Dread and this feeling that comes over you, your hair stands up on the back of your neck and those kind of things. But I definitely know what you're talking about as far as that. I want to talk about the wood knocks a little bit because that's something that I've experienced for the first time here a couple of months back on my
property. Never heard anything before. Then I hear what sounds like four crisp like cower knocks in the middle of the night, like three o'clock in the morning, when I'm out peeing off the front porch. Then we go up to radium, we heard a ton of wood knock. We heard some dere in the middle of the day. We're going out on just going out to enjoy some scenery and not even really doing bigfoot stuff. And we hear wood knocks close, maybe one hundred yards away. It's very difficult to describe.
Again, if you haven't heard what a wood knock sounds like, it is very distinctive. There was woodpeckers up there. We heard woodpeckers. There were big Douglas firs that would sway in the wind and they would pop and creak and do the things that trees do. But if you hear a wood knock, now that I believe I've heard it multiple times now here in North Carolina and now in Radium, it's a very distinctive thing. So describe a little
bit more in detail what you guys heard. Had you heard anything that sounded like that? Did it immediately resonate to you that it was definitely not a woodpecker, It wasn't anything other than a wood knock, or did you have to rule some things out when it came to that as well. No, it was surprising because on the video with Josh says, did you hear that? Will you hear something that says like oop? And then Josh goes,
did you hear that? And I'm like no, he says it's a whoop and then right after it as a pump, and as far as comparing it to something, we had pretty much most of the trees on our property blown down and Hurricane Sally September twenty twenty because only by the grace of God that we didn't have our house cave and we've got three huge oak trees. It will be the last time I will ride out of a storm. Because I
was wide awake and I was listening to limbs. I'm talking limbs that are twenty feet long and five feet around top and break, so I'm pretty familiar with what that sounds like. But this sounds like somebody took like a small baseball bat and just goes and hits a tree and it's just pomp It's just it was very clear, and that's what was shocking, because right after he says there's a hoop, you hear a pump. And I rewound that part probably at least five times, and then honestly, the hairs on the back
of my neck stood up. When I listened to that. I'm like, that's not a limb popping. Maybe maybe it's me closing the door. And that's when I asked Josh, He's no, he had already closed the door and had the windows down before I started recording. And one thing that I did was I went on a line and found some audio for people who had recorded with Knox, and I was like, oh, that sounds almost identical.
So yeah. When I did that, then the hair is really stood up on the back of my neck and I was like, oh, wow, we might actually have something here. I remember we smoked it. That's not all you record here, right, men say okay, the tire tracks then start Yeah, that's pretty cool stuff. You talked a little bit about some research that you guys are doing closer to home. Talk a little bit
about that. Where are you guys going, what are you guys finding, and what kind of success are you have in doing it closer to home. We're starting out. We don't know what questions to ask. We're going over to Santa Rosa County, Florida. They had a road crossing on September eighth that was on the big Foot mapping project, So we decided just to go over there and just see the tear story. It's very rural, and again
it's right on the edge of a huge state forest. There lots of creeks, lots of power line cut through, so we went to the actual area of the road crossing. We walked the power line cut through. We found another power line cut through that we explored and had something a little weird happened. We were outwalking the power line cut and we could hear dogs because it's close to some houses, and but we heard something that kind of just say, yell, We're like a weird croud like I learned a real growl bark
thing. And we actually caught that on video and Josh goes, well, that's not a dog, and then I started recording too late, but before you said, about a minute later, it sounded like coyotes. But it was weird. It was almost like some type of Dracula stuff. This thing screams out and then we've got just nothing but hows and we actually back down the area because I'm thinking, man kaya bodies and I forgot my bullet. That was strange. And then when we were filming around there, we caught
something I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know if it's paradolia, I don't know what it is, but it looks like something's peeping out the side a tree. I'm just scanning because I'm scanned of looking at something else, and Josh was the one going through this, Dad, what is that? And I'm like, oh, that's a shadow and it does look like it ove some lovel but I don't nut, so I'm not gonna say with filmed something it's it's a little weird. I actually brought
up the video and just showed it to my son in law. I was like, Hey, this is what we're doing. The first thing he goes is, what's that thee because it's black and it just looks like it's doing again. I don't know we will to go back out there to that side again. But this screen growl and then the coyotes starting to how was pretty weird. We backed out of there because I don't have my gun with me and I don't want us to have a whole bunch of coyotes come out after
That was strange. But I may contact with another researcher. He lives in that area and he's told me that area has had a history of encounters, especially in that state forest. I think it's really cool that you guys are using the Bigfoot mapping project and I've had Scott on the show. He's an
awesome dude. He puts a ton of work into that site. So for anybody listening that hasn't heard that show I did with Scott, or you're not familiar with the Bigfoot Mapping Project, you can get it online or you can get an app. I think it's two bucks and you get unlimited use for
the app from now on. It really gives you all the information he compiles from everybody the b FRO and anybody who reports stuff directly to him, and you can find these really amazing encounters that are fresh in a lot of cases because he updates almost in real time on the Bigfoot Mapping Project. So if you guys haven't checked it out, go check it out. If you haven't listened to that episode with Scott here on tasquatch Otysy, you can go back
in the archives and listen to that. It's a really cool episode with him, and he really gets into detail about how he culminates and gets a lot of these reports and where he gets from and how he vets them before they go on the Bigfoot Mapping Project. I really think it's a cool thing that you guys are using that because It's really an underrated tool in my opinion, and a very underused tool when people are actually going out and doing the research.
Let me ask you this for you. You guys have had these couple of experiences. This is something that it's come up a lot recently with me, and I've asked if people on the show, what is it that's driving you? Is it to have that sighting? Do you want to just get the answers of what these things are? Is it accommodation of all of those things? What is it for you Jason? And then what is it for
you Josh? To get into the research? I think number one is and I don't want to speak forraor researchers, but I think you want to have that site. Think you want to see it. It's one thing to hear the wood Knox. It's one thing you have the vocalizations, but to actually like what happened with my dad he watched one cross the road that and just the answers that what is it? I'm like him, I'm very much think
that this is an eight. So I don't view it as scary. I just viewed as fascinating that we've got something that big that could remain hidden for so long. But yeah, it's deciding and just the knowing more about it. It's a fascination real. I think I just want to see it proved as an actual animal, because if we don't have it classified as anything,
it can very well disappear one day without anybody actually proving it existed. Because if you like, look the big of the mapping project, there's like thousands on there, so all of them can't be fake. For me, I also think it's about proving it's real to other people into the mainstream science, just letting people know that it's real and something to look out, or because I think it's a cool thing. I think back to the Dancy along with
me. He fully mentioned deciding what he's drinking, and he would talk about it again. I think it's there's a lot of people out there like that who probably had some experiences and they're not going to little tell people because if they tell people, oh, Bob seeing Bigfoot, that sort of thing. I work in academia. I don't really talk about Bigfoot with my colleagues or something like that, but you would be surprised. One of my colleagues actually,
the one that I traveled with to West Monroe last year. I was like, hey, man, let's take a detort with fout. He looked at me, Man, I'm scared of stuff like that. I don't know if it's real or not. But I don't want to know if it's out there. I don't even want to know about it. I just want to know when I go out to my fishing camp. I just want to live and ignorance that nothing like that is out there. I think that's what it is for a lot of people. And you mentioned academian. I think that's
really an interesting point to all of this. One of the things we talked about around the campfire a lot when I was up in Radium is Todd had not only Jeff Meldrum doctor Meldrum out to his research site, but he also had doctor John Bendernaggle, the late Bender Nagle and stay tuned for more sasquatch O to see right back after these messages, two PhDs that were really into
the subject of Bigfoot. I know, I'm confident there are others out there that are been the Bigfoot closet that haven't come out yet and that are interested in the subject. But I really think in order for us to push the ball down the field, we have to have people in academia talking about this in a serious way. I just don't know what it's going to take to push that ball down the field and get people out of the shadows and into really looking into the subject, because it's been a long time, in my
opinion, since we've really had anything compelling. We had this Colorado train debacle come out recently. I didn't even know that it had been debunked as a hoax. I said that immediately is when people started sending it to me. And then I was talking to Wayne when we were recording that Bigfoot podcast a couple of days ago, when sah, yeah, I think the company that filmed that came out said that was a hoax. This guy was in one
of their suits or whatever. But it's sad to me that's really what garners the attention in Bigfoot. It's the clickbait, the fake videos and the things that people put out there that really set us back. I struggle. I'm still skeptical. I've had so many experiences that I can't explain, but I haven't seen one. So it's very difficult for me to just totally commit and say yes, I believe sasquatch is one hundred percent out there. If it is, it's something special, I think I'm not in the wu camp.
I don't get into it's anything other than a flesh and blood creature. But to elude us in the same way that other animals do in some of the same areas is a fascinating thing in and of itself for me. So I ask you, I don't get into the what do you think it is?
Obviously you think it's some sort of an eight I agree with you wholeheartedly, But how do you think as a researcher and having these experiences completely subjective, But how do you think these things have gone so long and remain And I use the air quotes undiscovered because a lot of people would say they're not undiscos because people discover them every time they see them. I agree with that on some level, but to be recognized by mainstream science they are an undiscovered species.
It's a very long winded question. At the end of the day, I guess the point is, how do you think these things? If it is just an ape walking around in the woods, how has it gone undiscovered for so long? This is all just by hypothesis. But I know when we were walking the power line cut through with that road crossing was we had two deer jump out of the woods in front of us and run away.
We were almost right upon them. And I many times in my life when I've been in the woods and you probably have the same thing where you walk, ask something and the deer comes out. Deer are really good at hiding. A lot of animals are really good at hiding. Go out amongst the pile of leaves and have a poppery hit for a while. I think it's just like any other animal. It blends in so well with its environment. Animals, I think we don't give them the credit that they have, but
they know how to avoid humans pretty well. You start encroaching on their territory, they're gonna get away. They see us as a threat. And that's just what I think is that. I just I don't think there's a lot of them, to be honest with you, I think if they ever get classified, they're immediately going to go on the Dangerous BC's list, just because they're so rare. I'm not going to put a number of populations. I wouldn't even know where again with that, but I don't think there's that many
of them. I think maybe at one time there was a lot more when you look back in the history of the country, the settlers and the colonists. But as we expanded outward, we like wildlife, we encroached and they moved to where we can't get to them. So I think that they just they've adapted because we've encrushed on their environment and they're really good at, like
most animals, that blending in with their environment. Where I'm very hopeful of is this DNA project that I've heard on some podcasts from NC State, because yeah, I think if you have say, ten samples from different parts of North America and it all comes back to some type of they, then science goes, Okay, ten different samples from ten different areas of North America.
It's got to be something I would hate to see somebody have to shoot one, to be honest with you, because I think that would would you really want to be known as the person who shot diickfoot? To me, that is that's bad publicity, and I get it because that's really what science needs. But I'm hopeful with this DNA project that we won't have to go down there that somebody's gonna have to shoot one. I'm not hunter by any means, not that I have anything that gets hunting. I love venison like anybody
else. But my dad was a fisherman. That's what we did mostly growing up. But my thing is, if you shot one of these things, now you've got to go track it and where's it gonna go. It's gonna go deep in the woods and probably amongst more so to me, that's a script for a horror move. Is you're going to go with this valley of sasquatches and they're never gonna see. So that's the thing too, is that if you go shoot one of these things, you've got to go track it
in and how are you gonna get it out? But I think the DNA project, I think if it ever gets classified, I think that's how it's going to happen, is that we're going to get start getting legit samples in and they're going to test them to go, Okay, it's an eight. It comes back to an unknown form of ape, and we've got an using the number ten samples from Canada and throughout the continental United States. Men's science has to pay attention to it. Yeah, you don't have a body,
but you've got physical evidence in DNA. Yeah. I definitely hope you're right. I talked to Darby Orcutt, who's heading up that study that you're talking about here at NC State in my home state of North Carolina. I was hopeful after having that conversation over dinner with Darby, is that they can do
that because of the advancements and having the study backed by the university. I think changes the game in a lot of ways, because if you're like me and somebody says DNA and bigfoot, you start cringing because of the Sasquat's genome project and that debacle. I've covered that ad nauseum on the show about all the issues with that study. But I think this is much different because of the advancements that they've made and they can and sequence this stuff out with a
very minute sample. So I, like you, I'm hopeful. I don't know that it'll ever be enough, but maybe the DNA and some really good high quality video of these things over a long period of time, maybe multiple videos from the same place might happen, might work as far as proving the species. But who knows. I guess we can all be hopeful and just hope for the best with the DNA stuff, and maybe somebody will get some
really good video. I know. Again, Todd told me he's got more video that's coming out in his new documentary here next year, So I don't know. We'll have to see how that goes. But I really appreciate you guys coming on, Jason and Josh coming on and sharing your experiences, sharing your videos and the audio from the videos. I'm really excited to put that out and let people hear it. I appreciate you guys taking the time to come on and talk to me. No, we're glad you made the time
for us because we just want some answers. Like everybody else, we had something odd happened to us, and we're just looking to make sure that, like I said, we're not crazy, which we still couldn't be. Yeah, in a different way. Oh, do you mind if I run something by your reflection, your experience. We'll send you another video we might have found here. Don't know yet. Again, I'm not a woodsman, but we found toughed of something that looked like here about seven feet up, and
we've got those videos. Now I know there are things that grow off oak trees and pond trees that look like here. I don't know it helped like here a little bit thicker. But I've got a forward student of mine who is also a vet peck, and I messaged her, was like, hey, can you tell if something's animal here or not? So I'm actually going to take it to her tomorrow at her office and let her look at it. But we actually I pulled one strand down and it feels like a thread,
but it doesn't. And then it was strong along some strung along with some smaller twigs. So he jumped up and grabbed it the twig so we still got it on there. So we ran to local Walmart, got gloves, put it zip lock bags and it looks like it got material on it or something, but again I don't know. I showed it to my new research buddy out of Santa Rose County. He's a hunter. He don't know from the video. He says there's things that grow freeze wo't like here,
and he's one. He said, if you can find a bit, they can centile here, so we'll know. But it's the Blackwater State Forest in
Santa Rose County and there's a nice walking trail. Probably were about two and a half miles, so we had gone down to a bridge because it crosses the power line cut through where we had these weird experiences, because we're thinking about going back over there maybe Sunday morning or Sunday evening, just standing on that bridge that straddles that cut through and just seeing if anything pops up. Josh ran ahead and as he stopped he looks up. He goes, Hey,
what's this. So it's a out six I'm six feet on a good day. This is at least seven seven half feet up and it just looks like some stringy care Again not an outdoorsman, but we were like, that's just that's weird. We kept it and I'm letting my vet tech friend look at it, the guy over Santa Rose County, he's very interested in taking a look at it. Yeah, I'm be interested to see what the vettex says. A vet or even the vetext should be able to put it under
a microscope. Yeah, tell if it's hair. Maybe if you got real hair and they don't know what it's from. I know Doug Hicheck is doing legend meet science too, I don't know if you're familiar with Doug or yeah, oh yeah. They're actually supposed to be sending a crew out to interview me here in North Carolina for that show here in a couple of weeks. But he's still looking for samples. They're going to do some DNA stuff if
it turns out to be suspect. And if you want to send me the video, I forward it on. I'll text Doug and send it to him tomorrow and let him take a look at it. He's pretty good at picking up on that pretty quickly, whether it's hare or not. And if it is what it might be. That's the thing is that if it's a tree growth, that's fine, but we're learning to be researchers and it's and if something looks odd, you might want to pay attention to it due diligence,
and that's what it's all about. Then the researcher of Santa Rose County, he again says, yeah, there's a lot of give idiot, but it just gets unreported because nobody wants to say, oh, I had bigfoot cross the road in front of it. But yeah, that happened Sunday when we found that and we might have actually stumbled. I say stumbled because we're novice reseurg is into a very active area. But when you look at the Bigfoot mapping project, if you just look at Florida San Jose County, it's this
Highway eighty seven. There's at least three sidings along that road. That was the thing that jumped out at us. When we were looking at the hat, We're like, wow, there's more than one. This is the latest one. And then oh there's the Blackwater State Forest which is right there. That whole area is really nothing but woods, creeks and ireland except prime habitat. Man. I appreciate it. Guys. They say, you don't gotta
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