Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog. My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting? We got some wonder or
something crawling around out here? Did you see what it was? Or was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus quice, you better hello, get the boddy out here. What went on out there? It's thought up a bit. Is about six ft nine? I don't know easy out there. Yeah, I'm walking right head. Oh. Welcome my guest of the show. It is Glean from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the
show, Glenn. Hey, thank you. It's great to be here. I am glad to have you. Man. Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What got you interested in bigfoot to begin with? As far as bigfoot I first had my experience when I moved to Arizona. I grew up in southern California, Palm Springs area, and we vacationed in the mountains and all around California in different states, but mainly there. When I moved to Colorado for one year in Durango and then to Arizona
up in the White Mountain. Now, these mountains are around eight nine thousand foot up in that region, so a lot of huge pine trees, beautiful country, a lot of lakes, a lot of rivers, a lot of creeks. About a year after we moved there, we lived downtown right behind the restaurant. It's a very small town, little two lane, little highway. So this one night, I was walking a friend of mine's girlfriend home from a little later birthday party. So I'm walking her home, SA good
night. She goes in through her window. That's what kids do with that age. And I walk back home. As I'm coming back down the road, all of a sudden, I hear these dogs barking with the house a couple of houses up from me. And these dogs are pretty vicious. They've come right up to the gate. You feel like they can just jump right
over. So they're just viciously barking up a storm. So I start crossing the road, crossing that house that they're at, and the dogs go silent, just nothing, and there's not a sound, and I just keep walking. I'm about halfway past the house. I keep going. I get about twenty feet past the house, and this war starts up in these trees. It's about fifty feet to my left and about thirty five forty feet up, and it's so powerful. It's like a speaker standing next to a concert speaker.
Next to me. I can feel that vibration from its projectile roar that just went right through me. Something told me, just don't run, just keep walking. I just kept walking and stopped rory like shaking the tree up there, and I just kept walking. I had to go down this fifty foot inclimb in about one hundred yards, and then keep going about two hundred yards in the level plane area, I hear something to my left move sounds like it's about thirty forty feet out, but it's pitch black. You can't
see anything. And then pretty soon I hear something on the right side of the ring and there's like just a little bob wire fence on both sides. I didn't hear across the bob wire, so I don't know if there's more than one or if there's just the one. But I can tell this thing is big and it's tracking me, and I decided I'm not going to run. I'm not going to run. Keep steady, and I get up to the top of the road and I can still hear it on the right side.
There's more trees over there now and some more cabins and things old summer caps. So get up by the road. I turned left and I can hear it. Go behind this little drive in and there's gravel back there, and I can hear it, but I can't see it. Go between the buildings where there's a little bit of light, and then I hear behind the post office. Than behind this little cafe. I can never see it, so I just keep walking. I got to walk back to my apartment.
My dad and I made an apartment out of a huge barn in the back of our restaurant, so I had one third of that barn. It was even less than that for a big apartment, so that's how big it was. So I locked myself in there I throw about fifteen shells into my twenty two rifle. That's all I had in my room. I threw it in there. I just threw it down. I said they could do anything. I laughed. I said, I don't want to wake up my dad. At two thirty in the morning, it was a he's a navy guy.
Here was he passed on now, but a navy guy pretty starred. He had some big guns. I decided just to wait go out in the morning. I didn't get any sleep, really, I stayed up, listening to records whatever. I go back out their first thing in the morning. I go back out to that same set of trees first, and I walk into
them, and I'm looking. I see this big tree. It's probably about three foot around, maybe a little bigger even, and halfway around the bottom of that tree, all the pine needles are moved away, brushed away, like six inches wide in about four or five inches deep, but almost halfway around this big, huge tree. And they weren't clawed by the dogs or anything, because you can tell when a dog did. It doesn't dig nice
and neat and uniform, it doesn't do that. I saw that, and I saw a couple of trees that might have been pushed over broken off, and I thought here, and I looked up and there was like clicked like two maybe some claws were in the one tree, but it was up above where I would have pushed. It was up above my head. And I'm fifteen, so I'm about five foot three. I don't know around that time. So I walked out into that field where I had to go down the
road and down that hill, and I heard it to my left. I walked down that field and I see this mound of grass that some farmer had been laying there for years or something. And it was about a foot and a half deep, and it was about twenty foot long, a little wider than a bed like a queen's eze bed about that wire, but felt that thick and long. And I see a footprint. It's the right foot and it's about twenty one inches long. I estimated I was next to it,
and then about ten feet past that was two footprints left and right. No doubt when I heard it, it was probably moving through that pretty quickly and sunk in. This sunk in a good eight inches because there was deep and it was just dead grass there and left an impression, but it sunk in instinct would tell it to land on two feet, and that's what it did. It told that's what I would do. I sunk in eight inches into something, I'd be like, oh shitt, what's going on. I gotta
stop check it out. So I decided I knew the size of this, I didn't know what it was yet. I didn't think of a big bread. The night before, I didn't know what to do. I know to call the game words, I didn't know who to call for a service, but I just didn't do anything. I just want to go out there. So then I look up towards the corner of the road up the hill, and I see two big trees. I said, I'm going to walk up there. I walk up there, and I'm getting closer and I'm like,
wait a minute. The tree on the right closest to the road is a huge pine tree, probably about sixty or seventy feet tall. The tree next to it is a huge pane tree. But it goes up about eight or ten feet and bends ninety degrees and bends up and then bends another ninety degrees and then bends up again. It did this two or three times up this tree, and I'm like, WHOA, And I look up and there's something been digging sap up there out of that tree, not the other tree.
That tree. So I'm fourteen or fifteen years old. I jump on the tree and I climb up there. I get up toward the top, and I'm on the last branch that'll hold my weight. It's about three inches around, and I can't reach the top of that tree where it's been digging. And there's no other animal claw marks anywhere on the tree except right there where all this sap is just coming out and dripping. So it must be something that this creature has done. They probably hang out on those branches and watch
people drive by or walk by all the time. This camouflaged by the other tree, and it'd be a perfect vantage point for hunting for that whole field. They could signal the other ones and they could come whatever. It was just easy to see that amount of brain power that this creature. I could see already. And then I started investigating learning more about the culture, and I'll pickfoot and from the Indians down there, from the original Penrod family.
Grandma Penrod told my friend a story about when she was a little girl. She was down by one of the lakes and she kept hearing a cow. She didn't think much of it. You know, it's farming, a lot of horses around. It could be a cow. So she goes down by the lake and she hears it again, and she looks across the lake and it's one of these bigfoot and it's very sorrowsome in its voice, just moaning. It's rocking back and forth. It's huge body and just swaying its arms
a little bit that it would sound very sorrowful. Other accounts of the Indians saying that they were coming down a mountain on their horseback and the big food would be fifty one hundred yards to its side, tracking right along with any horses. Obviously, I'm curious about the roar that you heard. I've said it so many times of the show. Usually when somebody has an experience like that with something that scares them, it tends to do one or two things.
Either they go down the rabbit hole and want to know all the information they can, or they go the other way and say I don't want any part of that. You said, you did the opposite, and you went down that rabbit hole. And started doing some research. Obviously we're talking I think this happened in the mid seventies, so there wasn't an Internet at that
point. But since then then, obviously you've been into the subject, and we'll get into some of that stuff later on and some of your other experiences, but let's talk specifically about that roar. Have you heard anything out there that resembles what you heard that day, and if so, what did that sound like? Can you describe it a little bit better for me and the audience so we can get a picture of what you heard. There is no
other creature on this planet that can make that out of a night. There is not unless you took a whale out of the ocean and tried, but otherwise no way. It went on for fifteen or twenty second, but the amount of force that it came out of it from, like I say, fifty feet away was reverberating through my chest. I could feel every second of it, not part of it, every second of it like I was standing in front of a speaker. Let me tell you my second time I heard
that same ruin. You know where I explained. Those two trees are right, that's right on the little street. There was a little dir road. Then there was five houses on the right hand side. My friend Johnny and his wife lived on the end of that last house on the right, so I was visiting them. I had walked, of course, and their dog Wolfy was like part welf, but shephard and I decided to go down by the lake when I left there, so I told them I'm gonnad down the
lake. So I walked out and their dog was with me, So she was about twenty feet in front of me, and we're walking along and we hadn't gotten far past the cattle guard I don't know, maybe thirty forty yards at the most, and it's a good half mile out of the lake, and all of a sudden, I hear that same roar coming from in front of me, and it's just the same pissed off And this is daytime,
dude, this is daytime. I think a few months later, because it was like October November when the first one happened, because it was cold, I had a jacket on. But the second time it was daytime and not cold, so it was probably like March April. Me. So I hear this roar, the dog stops in her tracks and looks back at me,
and I just take off running toward it as fast as I can. Some of the Indians taught us how to push out of the rocks, almost like starting blocks as you're running, though, So I'm visualizing these steps and I'm looking up in the trees side this. I don't want to break an angle because I'm running right directly through the trees at it, not on the path was off to my right. I wanted to go right there. I wanted to see this, and I'm right and I'm get all the way to the
clearing of the trees. I ran over a quarter mile maybe a little more, and I'm out of breath and I'm looking back in the trees and I don't see anything, and I don't see anything of the lake. So I decided to go in an angle to the shore of the lake and walk the shoreline. That's what I do. I do an angle to the right and
I head that way. It's about a hundred yards maybe. I get up to the lake and I edge and I'm walking along and I get about one hundred feet or so and I see something sticking up out of the shore and I'm like, okay, check that out. And I'm walking along and what is that and sticking of about fifteen sixteen inches above the ground, and I'm getting closer and it's mud that's about an inch stick pushed up because of the weight of the footprint going into it and pushing all that much up. The
footprint was just the front part of the foot. Did they have a mid tarsel break? So what I was looking at was eight inches deep and human shaped toes of the right foot of this guy. I think it was a guy because it had been so big, so the right foot half of that when it pushed down eight inches into the mud, it pushed all that mud up at a vertical six or seven inch wide mud an inch thick or more,
and it was curling up towards the shore. At the very top when I got there, was just waters was just starting to seep into the footprint, and it dove apparently into the water at that point, so it thought it could make every step into the water and couldn't, or did one more and it sunk in that deep pushed all that mud up, and it was just compact and compreshed against the ba the flat part of it at the bottom of its foot and heel that had just pushed it straight up and was curling
back towards the shore. I got real close. I got about two feet away, and I'm looking at it, and I just got this calm, easy knowing feeling, didn't get scared, like, oh my god, this things shoot. I knew it was big I already knew that, And by this time, I knew that it was a big foot, and it didn't seem to want to her bait. They seemed to be curious, and I learned at a young age, so I wasn't really worried about them. We camped right in those woods, we hung out all the time, didn't bother
us. So as soon as I turned. This is the strange thing. I don't remember the dog after I ran past her, whether she followed me or not, I don't remember her by the footprint up there at all. Two steps after I turned, I don't remember walking out. I don't remember that night. I don't remember stopping a Johnny's house. Probably normally have done that, but I don't remember that part. So I don't know if something
traumatic happened and my mind blocked it out, or bigfoot raced it. I don't know that part, but I was thinking maybe in like a regression or something like thatagnosis possibly to bring that back, but there's a lot of other things. Yeah, it definitely sounds interesting. Then I'm glad you said that because I was writing it down. Did you know is what I wrote down at this point, because that was going to be my question for you when
you're having these two experiences so close in time relatively to each other. You said you'd had a couple of conversations with people around there, the Native Americans or what have you, if you had gotten to the point in your brain that early on that it was bigfoot, Because some people never make that connection
right unless they actually see one of these creatures later in life. There's a lot of people who have encounters ten, fifteen, twenty years after they haven't experienced, where they hear something or smell something, or something happens in the wood, and they just never all that correlation. But it sounds like that clicked pretty early for you. Is that an accurate statement? Yeah, definitely. As soon as I saw that mud trend, the other two prints were
definite too. I mean, you could tell the human shape of the huge impression into the grass and then the two impressions. That's a left and that's the right, and the twenty one twenty eight three inches long. They're huge. When you see one in the mud, we see the actual human shaped toes. No claws in the mud at all. It was sunk down eight inches, so there would have been a lot of blow mark all the way
down. I could that claw. There's no claws there. It seemed to have possibly like maybe a thicker nail on its thumb from the impressions I got on some of the trees that were pushed over. Now, I found hair samples back then, and most of those were eighteen and a half inches long. They were blackbird was pulled out of the sky and would change color to red halfway through, so the last seven or eight inches was red. And
I didn't find this one. I found like fifteen different hairs. You could pull this hair straight and drop it on a table and it would curl up like a two inch spring. My suitcase got stolen, so that's how I don't have those things. Another time, I was drinking a bottle of wine with a girlfriend and said goodbye to her. I said, can you take the bottle out? I'm going to go on to the other side of this creek. I'd never been on. That's that same lake, this little creek
fed it. I had never been on the other side of it. But I found a lot evidence on this side. And she goes, you're going to look for big but aren't you. I said yeah. She goes, I got to tell you something first, and I'm all right. And she wasn't my girlfriend. This was Peggy. This is my friend's girlfriend. I don't want to set that wrong. She told me two things. She said. The first thing's going to scare you. The second one was bright and
you. She said. With her and her parents drove home one day, they pulled up around their driveway and they saw a bigfoot leaning its arm level out to its side, its elbow level on the top of their car part. Most carboards are eight or nine feet high at the least, and in Arizona, we had a big truck. I know it's at least that high. And it just turned and walked off. Didn't run, It wasn't worried. It just turned and walked up. And she had smelled things before.
The second thing she told me was her and a few of her friends were in this marshy area on the other side of that road, closer to where she lived. And this is before she moved to the to the trailer. This is another ouse that she lived at. She said that they came across a horse with its head ripped off, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. Well be right back after these messages. Now, I can't imagine the amount of power of strength it would take to take a horse ahead.
And it wasn't like gently done, she said. And I always tell the people that I forgave them for scaring me or frightening me, because it's not their fault. Really, I don't want them to carry that on like I don't. I let it go because he brings up my emotion a lot of time when I talk about it. But that's okay. I forgave them for frightening. I walked down the creek to find a place to cross, and I see this little spill way. It's about a foot and a half
wide, goes across this thirty five feet creet. So I walk across it. I go to those side. I walk down the hill down toward the lake, and I get down about one hundred yards maybe one hundred and fifty yards and I see the bob wire fence, and I got a glance to my left, about thirty feet up. I see fresh rate in three of the strand on one of the sticks. I can see it's something I'm getting
through there. So I walk over there right away, and on the top strand there's a clump of blonde hair as bigger than my finger at the time, and bigger than my finger now even and about two inches longer. So it's about five or six inches long, this big plump of blonde hair, and it is blonde. And I'm looking at it, and I'm about three feet away just checking it out. Oh my gosh, wow, what is And all of a sudden, every hair on my body, my neck just
stood on end. If you've ever had that feeling, you'll know what I'm talking about. So I did a three sixty and dropped to the ground on my fingertips. So I did a complete circle and dropped to my fingertips, basically is what I did. And I'm looking in the direction where I think it's coming from, which is in front of me, past the hair, and I slowly start creeping backwards on my fingertips and toes and I slowly stand up and I slowly turn and walk away and exit the area. I didn't
say anything, and the feeling went away. And walking over that spillway on the way back this time, and it's really deep on my left side and not so deep on the other. And I'm thinking, wow, if there's something down there, it could just pull me in. I'd never seen it deep enough to like put that out of my mind. I call a friend of mine, I tell him I got to bring him somewhere in the morning, right. He comes out there with me in the morning, and this
is pretty early. We get up seven, eight in the morning or whatever it was. We get out there and we walk over that spillway again. After the spillway, we get over to the birth of bab bar Is. We're walking toward it, and the hair is gone. It sticks, everything is there, everything is the same, but the hair is completely gone. I'm looking, I'm doing exactly almost the same thing. I'm looking though on
the ground now for any of this hair or any evidence. There's no footprints, there's no sign that big, huge clump of hair is now gone. My friend is I believe you? Man? He walks over about fifteen feet away. I have no idea why there's this big rock. It was probably I don't know, fourteen fifteen inches at the base and volcano kind of shape rock. It lifts this thing up and it's probably thirty five forty five pounds something like that. And there's bob wire twisted underneath this rock. Tell me
what creature can do that? For one, no bear can lift the rock and put bob wire underneath it, not the deer, not an elle. You have to have hand really to put something underneath something, twist it up and put it under there. Now that the creek right there is really deep, so somebody's replacing a piece of bob wire, they probably just throw it in the creek, all right. Nobody swims in there, nobody runs in there. It's just or they'd take it out. They wouldn't put it under
It's a rock, right. But a bigfoot or a creature like this that is smart and knows that if there's blood or there's hair, that you better make sure you get it. And that's probably why it was upset that I saw that hair, and that's why I was getting all my sixth senses were going off. That I'm in danger because this thing is going to grab me or whatever. That next day, I looked around and you know that stick, that bob war stick. Right about ten feet past that is a huge
tree. Huge. It's about eight maybe twelve feet around. It's big. I didn't look straight up. I was looking forward around in those trees. You know, I didn't look straight I'm glad I didn't. I mean, you get that feeling at least. I know. That's what I need to do is just slow down, back out, exit out. And that's what I do to this day. When I came around a bigfoot when we got bluff charge, four of us got bluff charged here in Pennsylvania, we all
just jumped in the vehicle and took aw. I think it was reacting to my roar that I demonstrated that One night after we were doing a couple of hikes out there and something started stomping up at us at about sixty miles an hour. It sounded like two trees bipedal coming up at us, snapping off these two and a half three inch branches. And these laurels, these grandfather laurels are about fifteen to twenty foot tall, huge laurel leaves, but great
camouflage. You can't see through them at all. Something also tell our listeners that if deer eat the mountain laurels, that's spicy or hot to their tongue, but they get inebriate. Now, this is a proven fact that this happens and deer do this. So think about Bigfoot as a place to camouflage itself. It has an edible food source year round, because I've seen a half inch of ice on the laurel leaves and they're very green, solid green.
They don't change their sturdy all year long. The only difference is that they seed and flour and all that. In the other times, sasquatch is spreading their seeds a lot, I think, because there's a lot of laurels spreading at least here in Pennsylvania. I know that he had these experiences around the Creek area and you're still in your teens. Did that continue? How long did you live in that area before you guys moved away? Did you
continue to have encounters these things up until you guys left the area. We did have some in that area still, and there was more reports and Johnny took me to a cave that something growled in his face when he was there the first time. There's a lot of things that went on up there, and to this day, doo that area is even though the civilization has pushed them. Well, I would say to the outer rim, there's so many underground areas that they're right there too, right in town, right near your
house, right near your park. They're just peaceful. They're curious creatures. They have sentries that are going to look out, and so they know when you enter their yard or their area, and if there's something going on. Some people hear Oh I heard this women screaming in the woods, and then it stopped, and then it happened again. I could hear it again. Think of a big foot giving labor to a big headed, hairy of a
creature. And a lot of that is if you're within earshide and you're on a trail or something, they'll scare you out of the area, whether gently with little stick brakes or tossing little rock, or they'll get a little bit more aggressive and they'll start to grunt or growl, and then they'll stomp or do a bluff charge like they did us. That's something to experience or not to experience. Yeah, I believe I was bluff charged about one of those
things when I was twelve years old up in Georgia. I definitely understand where you're coming from there. Let's talk about the tree breaks a little bit before we move into some other stuff. What do you think about the tree breaks? You might have tipped your hand a little bit there with what you said about you think they might use those as some sort of intimidation as far as making the noise with the tree breaks. Obviously, this is all subjective because
I don't think anybody really knows anything much about these creatures. But do you think that the tree breaks are some sort of communication they mark trails with them? Obviously I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like I said, it sounded like you thought they might use that to get the sound when people are in the area, to maybe drive you out. What's your opinion on the tree breaks and what they're using them for? Usually when you
hear a tree knox. Actually, when I first moved Arizona with my dad and stepmom and two stepsisters, we lived a smaller trailer in the beginning, and I'd go outside with my headphones on and listen to music and have a cigarette. I could hear like a chopping at eleven twelve o'clock at night on the other side of this fence was on an Avaho reservation. But I mean
I was right there by that. I didn't think much of it. I said, it's late to be chopping wood, but okay, But as I started figuring out a little bit more about it's such a solid piece of wood. It's not like us going over to a dead branch that's been laying down for six months or two months. Even they break one off that's fresh, and then they communicate with it. They also will break two branches off and they'll walk with them under their arms and cover their track. They like pine
needles because of that factor too. The pine needles, it's the most acidic thing there is as far as leaves go or the needles are just vari acidic and just eats up bones and anything very quickly. You also mentioned that you had had some conversations with people you were right there around the Navajo reservation. Did you have conversations with some of the Native American people. I've had one of the Navajo rangers on that's been on television shows and investigated tons of bigfoot
encounters out in that area. Did you have an opportunity to talk to some of those native people and if so, were they having similar experiences? Did you get any idea about their history in that area with bigfoot? Not as much as I would have liked to. I even lived on the reservation after that. That same Johnny, my brother moved away, so we took over his house. It was like a three bedroom house, some beautiful house, but it was on the reservation. It was only like four hundre and fifty
dollars a month. Back then, I had post neighbors and they all knew about foot. We talked about it once in a while. We were mainly teaching them karate, and you know, we were like the Ninja star guys staffs and teaching them how to use them. And they even Thirty years later, I went back to that same house and the neighbor across the street.
There was about seven or eight people outside that night when I got there, and I had my step nephew with me and my girlfriend and his girlfriend with and I get out and I said, you guys wait in a car. And I got out and he goes and I said, Hey, what's up. I said, Yeah, I used to live in the house right there. Years ago. I came to visit Eric and the family over here. They still lived there, and they go, yeah, Eric doesn't, but his brother lives there in the family. Yeah, you used to live over
here. He said, you wouldn't be those karate dudes, were you earlier? Yeah? That was us. Yeah. It was like it was good timing because they were coming to attack the brothers in the house. They were coming to fight them. So Mike coming broke all that up with the four of us coming and just mellowed it out. And getting back to Bigfoot, you moved into Pennsylvania, and I don't want to get ahead of myself here. If there's other things that you experienced before you got into Pennsylvania, but
obviously you got involved in the Pennsylvania Bigfoot project. You continue to go out and research these things. Have you had other experiences why you've been out researching and if so, what have you experienced in that area? Yes, we have. Oh god, I didn't, like I say, from the time my boys were born, like in the early nineties, ninety one and ninety six, I didn't do much bigfooting at all. I lived in Connecticut at
the time and just didn't have it in my mind. It wasn't important to at a couple jobs and the wife and the kids just taking care of the family, doing things. And we ended up moving back to Pennsylvania because we backed out of a sale, so I moved back here. And then after the boys got a little older and doing things on their own, then I
started getting back into it. I started going out with AJ and a couple other gentlemen, and we'd go out on three or four per week, just going up into the Suskan area Suskin Scream where you may have heard of. That's an area that is very hot for bigfoot and possibly dog man. Now. I met a lady three nights ago, just out of the blue. I happened to just stop at one of these little like a little flea market place nearby here, and she saw my shirt Bigfoot Hide and Seek Champion since
nineteen sixty seven, right, big bright yellow. Oh, I love your shirt. So she asked me about it. I know I told her about the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project because I'm the assistant director for the state now, so I'm second in command. Basically for the state over all the chapters, and we're doing great. Just turned nineteen thousan and the last thousand was in the two months, so the air is growing. So she wanted to tell me about her Bigfoot experience. She said, Glenn, I sold my house.
I couldn't take it. I was just horrified. And she started cheering up and telling me about this. And she said she was looking at her big picture window and she could see this huge dog man creature. She was explaining what it did, and it was just glaring at her. And it wasn't like it was just looking at the window. You could tell it was trying to look in her soul, like, she said, and she explained it. I didn't want to push too much because I could tell how emotional it
was getting the door. So I said, what was the ears like? And she goes, they were long, and I said, okay, that's good, you can forgive them. I said, can I hug you? And so I gave her a big hug, talked out for about twenty minutes just to get her calmed down. And that's what our group does a lot of the time, is people want to tell you about it. They're not necessarily want to go on your show about it, but they also they want
to know that they have validation for it. He said, it was about a week and a half ago we had a report in a Ricketts Glen State Park here. It was a pretty valid report. She asked me about Sullivan County and I said yeah, and I said something about Rickets Glenn. She goes, Oh, my god, that's right below where my dad is. And her dad's going to be out of the country for forty five days.
Maybe I can get access to the cabin and the forty acres or something for the month and online, So that'd be great if we can get up there. We definitely get a couple of teams together. We usually do like a seventy two hour stay over, then somebody else stays over for the next seventy two hours or incorporate if we need to. She's going to check into it with her dad. How do the blue things will happen like that to me? Like how I found some of the big put areas. I'll stop and
I'll go down this road. It doesn't take that long, and pretty soon we're seeing some kind of break or some kind of sign and we get out and we're starting looking and we find not nominal footrit but deep impressions. You can tell when something heavy goes uphill or something heavy goes downhill because the steps are totally different, especially with these bigfoot because they only have to use half of their foot. They're going up here. They have much better dexterity than
we do. They can just glide across the ground because they're swinging their hips to make their next step. Stride longer and centered. They're not walking side to side like we are. We bounced to the left, we bounced to the right, we bounced the left, we bout. That's not what they do. They go there's totally centered and almost even the whole time because their knees are bending in an odd shape because there's their way their foot bends to
handle that much weight. It's seven to eleven hundred pounds. That's a lot of weight, and that's average size. I want to talk a little bit of about dog Man before we get back to the bigfoot stuff. I was just having a conversation today with Cliff and Bobo. I was a guest over on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. I can't remember if it was during the regular episode, or I hung around and did the extra episode for
their Patreon members. But we got on the subject of dog Man because I told him about one of the stories that I had documented over here on the show. I've only talked to three people in all the interviews that I've done, I've only talked to three people that claimed to have had a dog man encounter. I'm curious about that, because Cliff brought up a good point.
He said, I think it was Lauren Coleman who fairly recently basically came up with the idea that dog Man is a relatively new thing as far as a cryptidis concerned. Now. People have been talking about were wolves and seeing where wolves and those types of creatures for millennia. They've been documented in history and it's been part of legend in lore as far back as I can remember. I want to say this about dog Man. I have a hard time understanding
where dog Man fits into the natural world. I joked about it with Cliff and Bubba. I'm okay with a giant, hairy ape walking around in North America, but the idea of a six to eight foot dog man type creature, I don't know. What box to check there? I guess my question is how do you guys handle those reports? Are you seeing a lot of
those in your group? And if so, are you sussing them out as do you think they're legitimate sightings, that they're actually seeing some sort of a dog like dog man creature or is it some sort of a misidentified possibly some other creature and or a bigfoot? How are you guys handling those reports and how many of them are you seeing? First of all, this is my first in person investigation with somebody that's seen one only because they are rare and
that is definite. Have you ever heard of the land between the Lakes? Yes? Absolutely? Okay, So there's been some more than circumstantial evidence that dogmen exists on one side and bigfoot exists on the other, and that there is a protection for humans with the bigfoot against the dog man in that area. Now I believe that to be probably true in a lot of areas.
In fact, when I did the yell or replicite the roar that I did and we got that huge bluff, charg looking back on that in the last year or two, I think it was coming up to protect us, because it just seemed that way. It was down there, very curious, very content when we're talking to it, and I told Stephanes, said, Stephanie, say a few things, talk about what's going on. I didn't explain
all that one yet, but it was amazing in its own way. But yet I think was coming up to protect us because of the violent roar that I replicate. I don't know what I said it was. Obviously it was a pissed off roar that I heard in the beginning, whether I know it wasn't really at me. It was at the dogs because they were just going a crazy and giving its location away or whatever. And I don't remember what happened to the dogs after that. Dog men. All right, there are
a couple of reports, not a lot. I can reach out to a couple of my other admin and see if I can get a couple more documentations for you on those. But this one I definitely want to follow up on because I met somebody that sold her property. She sold her house because of this. You think you might have saw something When you say, yeah, Glenn, this is what I saw. It was huge. It was evil.
She was just tearing up and her eyes are just bulging. I feel emotion, and I tried to take in that emotion to free her of it. And that's what I've been trying to do for a couple of days. So it's I go through a little bit too, because it's a lot to go through, and that's what I want to do for her. But I think it's a true account. I do not disprove it in any way, and I want to get up to her dad's property too and maybe check that out. I totally know what you're saying. I had a lady on the
show. Gosh, it's probably been a year and a half, two years ago, Carrie from Tennessee. I just reinterviewed Carrie because she sold her house. Her and her husband sold their house in Tennessee because they were having so much bigfoot activity on the property. They literally ran them off and they moved to another area. I think it was Indiana. Carrie reached out because she's
having more interactions very similar to what they were having in Tennessee. Like you said, it's not one of those things that you do lightly when you sell a home. Your dream home was her words. That they had found in Tennessee with this acreage that they were on and they sold it and left,
and then they go to Indiana and they're having very similar stuff. And I said this with Cliff and today, I think that it may be something maybe paranormal, that she's experiencing in her house that she is maybe thinking is bigfoot. I could be totally wrong. I'm not an expert in either one of the fields. Obviously, I don't deal with demonic things. But I think that what she described may have been more of a haunting situation that she was
experiencing walking on the roof and other things that she's talking about. I think I remember the slapping to the back of the house and things you'd be surprised at. Some Bigfoot, somehow can be in the same area you are, or they know where you live. You've been into their home, they know where you live, and even if you move. I don't think it makes a difference in their world or their realm of where you are where they want
to come out. I don't deal in the woo that much, but I don't just count any of it because I don't know that it's true or not. It's very possible that through vibration of themselves or the trees or however, they manipulate things. I know they can go right through briar pads, bushes. I've seen evidence of the steps going right up to them and then nothing. It's just odd sometimes how they disappear. And I know they can leap
rather than anybody imagines either. You think the longest long jump is like what fifteen feet? I don't know, whatever broad jump they can do thirty five. I think the amount power that they have amazing. I think some of the high strangeness or the WU that gets talked about a lot in Bigfoot has
to do with that. I think there's a lot of explanations that are right along Okham's razor with some of these things that they do, some of these abilities that people attribute to them, and some people would call WU or high strangeness, I think if you believe any of this at all, I think some of those abilities may be things that they just are able to do that people associate with, maybe something paranormal, like the one footprint that always comes
up, because recently I have found several footprints on my property, and just recently as Sunday and Monday of this week, footprints on my neighbor's property a half a mile away on a hike. I did find two footprints in a row on the neighbor's property going down a hill, and I posted some photographs of it on our social media so you guys can see it on Instagram and Facebook. I casted both of them. I saw it on the hike on Sunday. I was out with friends and our neighbors. We didn't have any
of our stuff with us. I didn't have any casting material, so I went back yesterday, which was Tuesday, as we record this, and actually did the castings. I said all that to say, I have also found a footprint here on the property, and it's one single footprint in the mud. I think there's twenty six thousand views of it so far on my Facebook page at this point, and people are just horrible when it comes to the comments anytime you put anything out there. And I didn't say it's a big
foot footprint. I just said I found this weird footprint on a path that we walk our dogs in a muddy low spot. I did a video of me casting it. I did videos of it before and after I put this out there. You get those every other comment literally out of the hundreds and hundreds of comments on Facebook, it's oh, only one footprint. Oh, there's only one footprint. Must be a one legged bigfoot. Oh it must have fell out of the sky on a pogo stick and one foot And here's
the thing about that, right. I actually did a follow up video. I walked out into an area where we walk our dogs, and all of my dogs. I have three, three dogs, and they all have four legs. There's a spot where we walk them every day. There's a muddy low spot. There's one footprint of a dog. And I know which one it is. It's the bigger dog. And I'm thinking, wow, how is it possible that there's only one footprint in the mud of a four legged
dog. So I actually did a follow up video and walked people into the area and said, look, here's one footprint. Here's how it happens. The substrate here is dry after a rain. This is a lower area six inches away, there's mud, and there's a footprint. So I said all that to say a lot of reasons. So I'm pissed off about all the comments I've been getting from hateful people who don't know me and don't know my life. I'm putting myself out there anytime you say you have evidence of apostible
bigfoot. You're opening yourself up to that. I get it, but also use your brain, Like you said, grow up people, It is possible to be in an area and only have one footprint. Right now, there's those strange situations where there's everything around for a half an acre is mud and there's only one footprint. That's a little suspect to me. Or in fields where there's snow cover and there's only one or two footprints and it just disappears.
There's a lot of people said, maybe it's you know, the bigfoots are falling out of the sky or they're coming out of portals. And I don't necessarily subscribe to all of that, but you did mention a couple of things that bordered on the high strangers, or at least I picked up on that a little bit. You mentioned talking to them when you're out there, and some of the feelings that you had gotten when they're around that you had forgiven. So let's talk a little bit about that. And I don't know
you from Adam's house. Kit That's why I'm asking the question, because somebody's going to hear this and have the same questions I did. Is it more of a spiritual thing for you? Because I've had a lot of people on the show who say they talk to them, I talk to Bigfoot when I'm in the woods. I don't talk about that a lot on the show, but I do. I manifest and put things out there. It's not because I believe there's some sort of an alien or there's some sort of a superhuman.
I believe they're flesh and blood creature, but I also believe in manifestation on some levels. Is that the same thing for you? Is it's not really about the high strangeness in the wood. You don't believe they're aliens or
that they can communicate telepathically, But what is that like for you? The forgiveness thing, the talking to them in the woods, And talk a little bit about that and what that means to you, and stay tuned for more sasas Squatch out to sell right back after these messages put in a couple different ways. The first part, a lot of the Indian and Old Country culture says the photograph will take their soul, They'll have the emotion of the person
looking at that photograph. Their emotion will come back on them. So think about I show you a picture like, here's a picture right now of Bigfoot, and you get all terrified and go, oh my god, that's faces. Let's look at a buffalo or a bison. To us, I wouldn't go up and kiss one, they don't look too pretty to me. But to a female buffalo, WHOA that guy's stuff. You got to look at it in a different kind of picture for Bigfoot and other creatures like that.
The picture thing. I see why Bigfoot hides from people because of probably that reason. They don't want their picture taking. They don't want the video because if they're feeling all the emotion that people are going to see from that picture, that would suck every time somebody looks at that photo. Hey there's that photo again, and now it's all over social media and I don't know if that's true. That would suck for Bigfoot, and I can see why they
wouldn't want that. Secondly for myself, because I think that you're not only putting out your voice, but you're putting out your emotion. Even if you're not saying it, you're thinking that you're putting out a wonderful, loving vibe, and that's what you want when you go out there. If you go out there, I'm gonna kick hookfoots ass. One of the guys that was Stephanie's boyfriend at the time that went with us when we got bluff rushed an hour and a half earlier, he was like, I don't care he rips
my arm off, I'll fight him. We'll get it on video with the beer muscle. I guess it was. But you don't get the right perception from those creatures when you're giving off the wrong signals. That's what I'm putting out. If you're putting out a loving vibe, a caring vibe, a nurturing and you want to learn from them, or if there's something that you can help them or teach them, or something that they can use that'll be helpful to them and not hurt them, not poison them. I've heard of
people gifting. I don't believe in a lot of gifting. I leave little trinkets or gifts or little light up things or a little polishtole or something, and I'll do that often. I have a little bag I carry my SUV and it just what hits me. I'll hand my bag to my friend Adam and he'll pick something, or I said, pick a couple of things. We'll leave a couple out there, a couple of little plastic crystals. They look like trinkets, but they love them, and most of the time they're
gone. Sure, it could be a crow. I'm not saying a big potection every time. I don't know, but I don't care. It's not going to pollute a lot. Usually it's more natural stuff that I put out there. But I like talking to them, even if they're not understanding. I feel better that I've done it. I've spoken to them, I've asked them, I've prayed for them. I pray for the whole earth, all mankind, all of life, everything, every rock, every tree, that
it will sustain and be a better place. Well, I just pray for me, Bobby and Seue. It's a better way of looking at it. That's the way A lot of the Indian culture is that I'm not Indian, but I believe in a lot of the ways. That's a great explanation. I appreciate you taking time to talk about that. We've mentioned it a couple of times, and I certainly want to talk more about how the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project, how did it get started, what is it? Where can people
find it? And how can they become a part of what you guys are doing. Sure, Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project on Facebook is probably the easiest and best way to track and follow us. You can join the group and there's a few questions. We are a no kill group. We are not interested in hunting bigwood in any way. We do research. We are interested in seeing
them just like everybody else. And there's been a lot of different sightings throughout the years, not only in our group, but people that have joined our group that have already had pass sightings. Just seems like we have so many now that have joined every group. We have I think seventy five counties in Pennsylvania. Eighty percent of those we have a separate chapter in those counties, so you can join your local chapter. They lock go on the county as
my county and the laseran is next door. There's so many little counties, but they have their own little chapters that can do quick investigations, or they just do their own or they do group ones. I did a group camp out had a house that had a history of bigfoot being there. Now we didn't get anything substantial. We did get a couple of possible prints. At about twelve thirty at night, it sounded like fifteen coyotes over the mountain.
They went on for about twenty twenty five seconds, maybe thirty, and then silent the rest of night. That's unusual too, and you're getting cayties, you get more of a they're here, they're gonna keep going, then they get over there. Nothing. It was weird, but that's where we were hiking up on their mountain, and maybe Bigfoot was telling us. I don't know, but the mother that passed away a few years ago used to have them looking inner windows weekly or bi weekly all the time. She said.
She said it was just very naral, and she was always very nonchalant about it being some of that's seen bigfood. It wasn't really that big a deal to me, though. The best visual I ever had was in Arizona on one of those back roads, on a cinder road up by the lookout towers. Johnny was driving. Was four of us in his Chevy Nova. I'm in the back seat on the passenger's side, and we're driving along, cruise
along. Johnny the driver restu is the bathroom, so he pulls the carver and grabs the toilet paper out of the club box and goes out in the woods. Probably about a minute later, minute and a half, we hear some like to hear that sticks breaking. Couldn't think much of it. Maybe it's Johnny. I'm not gonna worry about it. All of a sudden, Johnny, yell, start the car start to gamp. So I jump over
the seat. I take it out of gear because it was a three speed, transferred to the ground there used to be in the column, and then started the car. So I took it out of gear and started the car from the back seat. Johnny jumps in. Something's coming. We take off. It was a six cylinder Nova back then four door. They had two hundred and thirty five horse far, but enough to move that still moved pretty quick. So we're doing thirty five forty just getting up, getting a good
gear on there. And that's about all you could do on these curry cinder roads. And I look back and probably twenty twenty five feet away behind me this creature, and I could tell something was like loping behind us. Loping That's the only way I could explain it. The hands just slowly coming up and then fading back down, coming back, paying back down. It wasn't straining in any way. It had no problem out running us. Probably been wanted, but it was right there. I didn't say a lot. The
other guy with me saw it too, that they're amazing creatures. I think they're really intelligent, and I think they know a lot more than they let on. I think they've been listening to us and watching us. They're curious. They're just like us. We're curious, like Cliffs says, We're clear about them. They're curious about us. And most of the time, if there's something going on, they will get you out of the area if they have to. And I've had little things tossed at us, little rocks and
little pine cones and things or seeds. I get these great reports from some people that they tell me about these little interactions with them as they're walking their dog and there's these little seeds being tossed up on the road by them, you know, And she's looking over and they're not there. There's nothing there, and there's nothing there. Then she starts getting this mind speak going on.
And I know this person. I've talked to her personally. I've talked to her a few times and she's all there, there's no doubt that, and she's definite about what she can hear. At times, the kid that was playing her toy, you know, throwing the little seeds in, that was thanking her for playing with her, and that didn't want her to go, and then the mother voice or something came into her hand at like, I think it's time to go. I can't remember everything, but I say
halfway in lightning, because you can't dismiss it. You really can't. In this realm of what's going on in Bigfoot. You can't say no, you're absolutely wrong, because it could be absolutely true, and until it's proven not, it's true until you put Bigfoot in the equations. So many times, James, in so many situations, nothing makes sense in that situation until you
put Bigfoot equation into it, and then it all fits together. I've had so many conversations with people who have experienced things that would be considered mind speak or telepathy that was coming from what they believed to be one of these creatures. I haven't experienced that, but I say it all the time, is their experience. I'm going to leave it at that and I let the audience take what they want and leave the rest, because that's really all we can
do with Bigfoot, because nobody really knows what's going on. Glinn, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. Man, I've had a really good time talking to you. The Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project on Facebook. You guys, go over and check it out. I'm a member of the group. I've been in there for a while. There's a lot of cool stuff going on. You guys, check it out, become a member. I'm
sure they'd love to have you. You bet, and like I say, after you joined the main group, looked under the features if you scroll down about four or five posts, there's a map that we have a Pennsylvania. It's an interactive map with yellow, blue, and red from a hundred years ago, eighty years ago, fifty years ago, after more recent times, some different colors, and you click on those locations and it'll pop up with the sighting is what happened the follow up. It's a really good interactive map
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