Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you
what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. They have eight different shows on all sorts of exciting topics such as bigfoot, cryptids, UFOs, aliens, and much more. I even have my own show called Weird Encounters, where I talk about all things strange. This is more than just a podcast network.
It's a community that allows me to meet so many amazing people who share their stories and experiences with strange. If you're interested in hearing more of these stories and learning more about the paranormal encryptids, make sure you check out the Untold Radio Network for all kinds of exciting shows. It's free to subscribe. So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork dot com. Today. Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving
Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otisy. Hey guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a grand week. We have an amazing show lined up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get
me at Brian at Paranimal World Productions dot com. Can head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As I said, we've got a great show lined up for you. Wayne and I got to sit down over on that Bigfoot podcast last week and we did an interview about my time up in Radium, BC on the expedition with Todd Standing. Some of you guys have not listened to that. I've looked at the number, so there's a ton of you who haven't heard that
interview. So I felt compelled to put it out over here. We told you guys when we started that Bigfoot podcast, we weren't going to cross promote that, but I think this is a special exception. So here is going to be the interview that Wayne and I did over on that Bigfoot podcast last week, and we get into all the nuances and all the things that I experienced while I was there in Radium with Todd standing and with Kyle and Ashley
and Richard. So I hope you guys really enjoy this. It's sort of a breakdown of what I felt, what I experienced, and what I thought about the trip overall. For those of you who have listened to this on that Bigfoot podcast, some of you guys have come out with some strong opinions on Todd and my time there, and I'll just say this, when you go into the interview, I am going to be honest about my experiences there.
I know a lot of you feel a certain way about Todd. I still have questions about certain things that have to do with Todd, but I'm just gonna be honest about the research. I'm gonna be honest about my experiences that I had there, and we can have a real honest discussion about that anytime you want. You can always send me an email Brian at Panormaworldproductions dot com. For those of you who have you know that I respond to that
directly and we can have those conversations offline if we need to. But for those of you who haven't heard this, I'm gonna stop talking. I'm gonna let the music play. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Wane, what's up man? That's going man? You are a fresh off of a Canadian road trip, eager to talk about that. What's up with you? Brian, same stuff, different day, Man,
I'm hanging in like a're hearing a biscuit. I'm actually fresh off of a South Carolina road trip that came right on the back of the Canadian road trip. So I feel like I haven't even been home yet. I haven't had time to even sit down and go through all the audio and the video and all the stuff that I collected during the Radium expedition. But we had an amazing time in South Carolina. You have got to come with us and do
that trip next year. Man. The South Carolina Bigfoot Festival up in Westminster is an amazing Bigfoot Festival. We had a blast, man. There were thousands of people came through. We sold a whole shit ton of merchandise and talked to a lot of listeners of the show. People were asking about you. They were talking about that Bigfoot podcast and how they enjoy this show. So you definitely got to make the trip down. It's worth it, man.
So if you can put that on your calendar next year, Danny and I'll send it to you so you can make the trip because it's definitely worth the time. Yeah, man, that sounds awesome. I've never even heard of it, so you'd love to make the trip. Yeah. Laws just bought a house right there in Seneca, South Carolina, which is about nine minutes away from Westminster. We've been looking at it for a couple of years and thinking about just going and trying it out. But we were like,
hey, let's make the first time. We'll go as a vendor, and we did, and Jessica and those people put on an amazing festival. There was a couple of great speakers that they had. I didn't get to see any of the speakers because we were really busy with our merchandise and Danny and I were manning the booth all weekend, but it's Friday and Saturday. It was a really great time, and I got to spend some quality time with the in laws because we stayed with them about nine minutes away. So good
times, man. But I know people aren't tuning in to hear about my South Carolina trip. They want to hear about the Radium trip, and I've been saying it on Sasquatch Odyssey. I'm trying my best to get through the audio. But I literally came back from that trip. I flew in from Calgary into North Carolina on Monday, and we had to get ready for that trip and pack up and leave on Thursdays. As we're recording this now, if you're listening to this, you can go over to Sasquatch Odyssey because it
dropped today. I did a whole hour of our fireside chat. It's audio from around the campfire. It's me Todd standing his girlfriend and research partner Ashley, Kyle DeShane from the Discovering Bigfoot podcast, and Kyle's dad, Richard, all sitting around the fire just shooting the breeze basically, and we get into all kinds of things. I sent you the audio, so you could hear
it a couple of days ago. But we talk about Todd's videos, we talk about his research, We get into all kinds of stuff, and we even towards the end of that video, we capture a sound that I heard in the woods that I can only describe as like samurai chatter. Something was talking in the woods, and you can hear it in the audio. I say, hey, Ash, did you hear that? Because I saw her kind of look up, and Kyle heard something too. We called it on
audio. It's right at the very end of that audio that you can listen to. But Todd's talking about something. I think he's talking about Bear Grillus and his experience on that show or whatever. You hear something in the background going lit and it literally sounded like samurai chatter, something talking in real time. I was telling you earlier, before we came on, I did set up another recorder that was about forty feet away from us. It was away
from the dialogue we were having. So I'm hoping that it was caught on there and maybe I can isolate it off of that audio, But it's buried in about twelve hours of audio from that night, So I've got to go through all of that. Everybody be patient. Danny's actually working on trying to put together some kind of a schedule to put out on social media that'll give you an idea of what kind of shows we're going to do about this over the next couple of months when you can tune in, We're going to do
some lives. I'm going to get Kyle on. I'm going to get his dad on because his dad said he had a sighting while we were there. You and I can probably talk about that today. And I've got a little audio from one of the videos that I took of sort of a recreation of what Richard saw that night, and I'm going to get tied in the show. Todd's working on his new documentary. Will probably wait until the documentary is about to come out, maybe after the first of the year, and I'll
get tied back on. But we've already got that in the works. He's certainly willing and ready to come on. Even talked about it on a live recently over on his YouTube channels. We're working on all that, but we can get into the trip. Man. I know you have questions like everybody else, So why don't we get into it and you tell me what you want to know. Yeah, man, we're just gonna take this episode is kind of me interviewing you about the trip. I'm just going to start at
the beginning. Todd is known for charging people to take them out for however many days doesn't guarantee any kind of experience. We all understand that he catches a lot of shit from people. A lot of people think you shouldn't charge for all this to do something like that big boot related I'm curious to know, and I don't know how much he charges, And you can talk about that if you want, But what do you get for it? When you
first got there? What were your sleeping arrangement? And how many nights? What are does paying for a trip? With Todd's standing and clue. I can only speak from my experience, and it was a little bit unique because I wasn't treated the same as any other person that was going out there as far as cost and those kind of things. Because we've been talking about this for a couple of years, right, Kyle was basically my main guide on
this trip. Kyle is the one who reached out to me and wanted me to come out there and spend some time in the woods with Todd in the research area. Because Todd, he's actually right now as we record this, he's on the last expedition of the year up there at Radium because they wrap it up for the year and they pack up and they get out and they leave the Sasquatch along through the winter months because it's tough up there, right,
We're talking negative thirty degrees on some of these nights. When I got there, what was included for me was I was there for seven days total. I was out in the woods with him for six nights. I flew into Calgary on Monday, October Tewo. Kyle picks me up at the airport. His dad, Richard was flying in from New York, so he picks me up. We didn't plan this, but we got Our flights were within five minutes of each other. When we landed. He picked us up at
the airport. That's the first time I'd met Kyle in person, and I obviously never met his dad. His dad's a big fan of the show, so he had an idea about me before we met. But we hop in the truck and we go straight to Todd's house. Because Todd and Ashley had prepared our meals for the week. I go to Todd's house and I'm standing in Todd's house talking to him and Ashley, which was weird for me because I've talked a lot of shit about this guy over the last few years.
But as soon as I get out of the truck, Todd's hey, man, what's going on, Brian. He shakes my hand and just welcomes me into his home. So we go in and they go and retrieve our meals. I'm gonna tell you something, I'll just caveat the meals right now. They do these pre made meals and these little metal containers with the metal tops on them, right to go containers I guess you'd get from a restaurant. They do this amazing like chicken and rice dish, beef and rice dish,
and Todd makes the chili right. I'm a huge chili fan, so I was excited to try the chili. Those were our dinners for the week. Everybody got a dinner for the week, and we loaded that. Jason Shoot was a guy who was out there. He was not part of the expedition. I was on per se. Jason was out there because he'd been out a couple of times with Todd. He was going out to take the Radium
mountain hike alone. This is the mountain hike that Les Stroud did on Survivor Man Bigfoot Less hiked up there by himself and stayed overnight a couple of nights actually, And that's where the apples were taking off the tree. And you see this head on Survivor Man Bigfoot pop up and take the apples. Jason wasn't there to do that. So I met Jason. We're standing in Tide's living room talking doing our thing. Jason had flew in from Alberta into Calgary
and the airline lost all of his luggage. And this guy is about to go into the bush for ten days. He had nothing but the clothes on his back. And I can't even describe to you. I'm getting Jason on the show. Maybe we'll have him over here. We'll certainly have him on Sasquatch Oyssey for an interview and talk about his ten days up on Radium.
Jason is just this really chill martial arts guy. This guy has world records in martial arts and the stick fighting and weaponry right and he's just the chillis dudes. Yeah, man, they lost my luggage. I'm going to wait and see if they call me, and if not, I'll figure it out. And I'm like, dude, you're going into the bush for ten days by yourself, into the back country in Canada, and you have none of the shit that you brought with you to take the trip, and you're just
as chill as you can be. Right. We talk a little bit, and we've had a three hour trip in front of us, so we got to go. So we grab our meals, we hie back in the truck, we go buy the grocery store. We stop and get the rest of our supplies. We shop for the week because we have nothing out there. We get all this stuff together and we make this beautiful three hour drive from Calgary to where we're headed. Now we're on the main road. We're going
down. There's beautiful scenery. I'm literally taking videos and pictures. I posted some of those on social media on our Instagram and on Facebook. In this beautiful drive and I'm not even prepared for what's going to happen for the rest of the week. Like I'm driving through and we're going by these big, huge reservations and beautiful mountains. And I'll tell you, dude, when I've had tied on the show and he's talked about how remote this place is.
I've had Logan on the show. He's talked about how remote this research area is. Kyle has talked about how remote it is. Less Stroud talked about how remote this place was. I feel like I live in a remote area, but I'm ten minutes from a Walmart. Dude, when you come to our property and you're sitting on the front porch, you feel like you're just immersed in the woods, because you really are. There's nothing around us but woods. But we can get in the car and get on a main road
and drive to Walmart and be there in ten minutes. When I tell you this place is remote, we drove three hours outside of Calgary. We had to stop and get fuel. The closest fuel station is about an hour and a half from our final destination. So we fill up the truck and we drive on this road and then we get to this logging road and we turn onto this logging road. I ask Kyle, like, how much farther is it from here? Once we turn off the main road, and he's about
twenty eight to thirty kilometers. We ended up about seventeen miles into the woods off the main road. There is literally nothing there but woods. Now it is a logging road because there is a logging operation that has been active and is active in certain areas out there. So occasionally you would hear or see a logging truck come through, but that's it, and it's on the opposite side of the area that we're going. It is the most remote place that
I have ever been in my life. We get to base camp after another hour on this twenty seven thirty kilometers. We're going back on this rough, rough dirt road. You're not taking your prius back there. I'm not taking the Mini Cooper back there. We're in the four WORL drive Chevy. So we get to base camp, which base camp is literally just two campers sitting in the middle of a small clearing surrounded by old growth forest. Nothing but big Douglas fir trees on the way in. Obviously, we have no water
there by the way. The water the closest water is about two miles away from base camp, so we have to stop at the river. Kyle does some ice bathing. I actually did a little ice bathing. I walked out into this water. It's about twenty eight degrees Richard and I walk out into this beautiful glacier blue water, and I'm walking out barefoot under the rocks, and we get into the water. We fill up our water bottles, and
we continue on to base camp. When you get back to base camp here in North Carolina, we have creeks on our property, so at night you hear crickets. During the summertime, there's nothing. I can't even explain to you the silence when you get back that far into the woods. There is no sounds whatsoever. Occasionally a bird you'll hear. You'll get the occasional rodents screeching at you or whatever when you piss a squirrel off. But outside of
that, there's nothing. It's just this really deafening silence. It dawned on me how remote this was. Right and we're driving into this area and there's literally a big tree bowed across the road and Kyle's that wasn't there this past summer. This is barely new. It looks like something has bent this tree over the road that we have to drive under it. And then there's tree breaks everywhere. He starts pointing out tree breaks. I'm finding and seeing tree
breaks along this road that we're driving on. Just off the road. We get to base camp. It's just me and Richard and Kyle for the night because Todd is Jason's ride, right, he has to stay with Jason. Jason staying with him that night because if they call at Calgary and say we've got your bag, he's got to go retrieve it because he's going on this ten day trip. So they spend the night at Todd's house. So Todd, Jason, and Ashley are back three hours back in Calgary. It's just
me, Richard, and Kyle. We start setting up camp. I get into the camper, start putting my stuff away. It's just a camper, right, It's nothing spectacular, just a regular camper, decent sized camper. I had one to myself, Colin his dad, Richard took the other camper, and we immediately start on hike. Literally put our stuff down, and he's like, where do you want to go. Let's go check out the
area. And we start walking and again, walking in the woods, We're finding tree breaks, We're finding what looks like footprints, already these big impressions in this spanga moss. It's hard to explain. I've seen it on the videos that Tied posts on his YouTube channel. I've seen it in Discovering Bigfoot. If you've seen that documentary, you've seen Jeff Meldrim, you've seen John Bidrinaugle. They're looking at these prints. Some of them are a year or
two old, some even older. And once you break down into this moss and hit the substrate, if it's heavy enough, it's going to stay there for a while. It's not going to wash away. Like I know, you're in Tennessee, I'm in North Carolina, you have something in your ground. Here, it comes one rain, it's gone, right, there's a print there, it rains, it's gone. Not the case with this moss. So I'm finding these footprints, and I'm finding them, Richard's finding them,
We're finding them. Over here. Kyle's pointing out a couple of known prints that he has seen over the last couple of years of being there. I'm just a little overwhelmed. It's starting to get late, so we get a fire going. We sit around the fire that night. Kyle heats up our dinner, which is amazing. The food is all organic, it's well sourced, and it's delicious. Ashley and Todd did a great job with the food. My kudos to them. I gave it to him in person.
I'm giving it to you now on the show. Really good food. Everything tastes better of course when it's cooked over a fire and you're sitting outside. Anyway, Well, the first night was pretty uneventful. I'm trying to remember if we heard anything. I don't think we had any activity. Maybe a couple of wood knocks the first night, but not a whole lot. We end up going to bed. I don't even think I put a recorder out that night because I was so exhausted because I'd spent nine hours on a plane
from North Carolina to get to Calgary and then the drives. We get up the next day, we just go out and start hiking. We go to a different area Tid calls at the Pinner Playground. I can't even describe to you this area, man. There is so many tree structures and some ex formations, tree breaks built off of tree structures. It's just it's amazing, and it's literally this place in the middle of nowhere. We took the logging road back I don't know, maybe up two or three four miles away from
base camp. And we're just riding along and this area is right off of the road in the middle of nowhere. Again like we're not there's not a house there, there's not a camping area, there's nothing. And then we see all these tree structures. I took tons of pictures, I took tons of video. I'll certainly post some of those on that Bigfoot podcast blog.
You can head over to Pandamawarproductions dot com check out the blog there, and I'll post some pictures of this stuff so you guys can see what I'm talking about. But again, with the tree structures and the tree breaks, I'm very skeptical, like that could be a person, right. But we go down there and I'm leading the way. I'm going the way that I want to go, and I step into what looks like a trackway a foot price and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see what right back after these messages,
they're six to eight feet apart. They're poked down into this moth. Something heavy walked there, and it's clearly to me it looks like footprints leading to one of these big structures that is so elaborate and weaved into the other. Could people do that, Sure, but it's not likely. It's possible, but not likely that a person did this in the middle of nowhere. Again, I'm thinking, but Todd have a bunch of people out here putting
this stuff up. But the more I looked, and the more I pointed, and the more directions I went, I just kept finding more and more. And this is literally like the first day of hiking. That's pretty much what it was. Every day, honestly, we would go out in the morning, we'd have breakfast, get coffee, and we set out on a hike. First day, we probably hiked six or eight miles that day. Then Jason's supposed to go up to radium. Jason shows up at base camp.
He did not get his luggage. This dude went out and bought a new pack, He bought a sleeping bag, he bought some food, he brought a few things of clothes. And mind you, we're waking up till thirty eight degree temperatures at base camp and this guy's going another three four thousand feet in elevation up this mount He shows up, he packs up his pack and we're going to do the Radium hike. He packs his pack. His pack ended up being about one hundred and ten pounds. This guy's a beast.
So we go out, We carpool out, we drive to the bottom of the Radium Hike, and we're going to take him halfway up. Basically, that was a beautiful hike. It was a strenuous hike. It was straight up we're talking twelve to fifteen percent grade maybe more, and some were straight up beautiful hike. So we take Jason up. We stop at a beautiful spot, We have lunch on the river, he fills up his water bottles, and I've got some cool video I post on the blog for you
guys to take a look at of Jason. We took a selfie, Me and Kyle and Jason took a selfie together. I got some great video of him going up the rest of the hike, so you can get an idea of what this guy's going into. It is straight freaking up, dude. It's one of those hikes where Jason literally said, you know, I'm gonna have to hike for five minutes and probably stop and rest for ten minutes because
my pack is one hundred and ten pounds. It's going to take me a couple of hours to get to the point where I'm going from here, and this dude's going up there for seven days. Then he's going to hike down to a lake and spend a couple of days, then he's going to come back to base camp. So he's doing a total ten days in the woods.
And he's literally taking cans of food off of his pack because it's so heavy, and we're helping him hide it at the area where we dropped him off about halfway, so you'd have a few cans of food when he came down because he was worried about running out of food. There's no water up there by the way, he has to pack his water in as well to go to the point where he's going. There is a lake on a lower shelf from the mountain, so he'll be able to refuel his water at the
lake when he comes back down. This is hardcore shit, dude, Like I thought I was something for just doing the hikes that we were doing. This guy is a beast. I know he had some experiences because Todd's talked about it since he came back. I have not talked to Jason, except for we exchanged a few messages on Instagram and I sent him some of the
video that I had taken of Hi. We're going to get him on the show and talk about his experiences while he was up there, because he did have some experiences, not only with the sasquatch, but with a bear, I do believe, So we'll talk about that at some point. So on this trip that you're talking about, he had actual experiences. Yes, all right, Yeah. We finish up the Radium hike that day, and then that night Todd and Ashley were coming into camp. We spent the night with
Todd and Ashley sitting around the fire. We had some experiences, heard some wood knocks. We ended up taking a night walk and had some really cool experiences on a night walk. Again, if you're this far out in this remote area and you go off walking into the woods, into the bush, away from camp, away from the fire, hundreds of yards into the woods with no light whatsoever, it's intimidating. After you've had experiences and heard things
you can't explain that are pulling you into that area. I think everybody was a little bit nervous. I know, I certainly was. I was a little bit apprehensive about walking out into the woods. I'm not going to lie, and I know Richard, Kyle's dad can talk about it as well. He was pretty nervous because this is the first time either one of us has even been in this area. Everything's new to us, at least Kyle and Todd and Ashley are. They're able to navigate the trails a little bit because
they've been there so many times. Todd's been working in this area four or five years, so he knows it like the back of his hand. But we're novices at this and it was a little intimidating. We didn't see anything, but we did hear some things, and we got one last clear wood knock and it was okay, it's time to go. So we got out of there and went back to camp and ended up wrapping it up for the
evening. Not only did I hear whoops, we had some whoops while we were sitting around campfire that I can't explain that we're very ape like what people would describe as a sasquatch whoop. We heard the talking that are captured wood knocks. And the next day after that we took a step back on like the third day, away from the Bigfoot stuff. There's a place there.
I won't give away the name because it would give people an area, but there's an area there where there's an overlook and some waterfalls and it's just really beautiful scenery. We can go to walk in the river. So we did that. We took the e bikes out. He has three e bikes up there, and if you've never ridden an e bike, those things are fricking amazing. These things are phenomenal. Had a blast on the e bikes.
But we took that out to this area. And as we're leaving, this is like eleven o'clock in the morning, there's wood knocks bam, just clear as day, probably three four hundred yards away from us. I do a whoop and get a wood knock in return. Four seconds later, I do a whoop. Vam would knock. So I go set up a recorder. I have this audio because I set up the recorder and we left for four or five hours on our little expedition. I haven't went through that audio yet,
so we'll see what's on there. If we got anything while I was gone, I don't know, but we're getting wood knocks in the middle of the day, and it seems to be interacting. Whatever it is seems to be interacting with me. When I'm calling back after these knocks, I'm getting a response, So I'm a little bit excited about that. I mean, we were really torn about whether we could we should leave base camp or stay there and try to go towards it, but it is the middle of the
day. Didn't really figure that we would end up seeing anything, so we ended up going on with our plans, and then that night. One of the most interesting things happens. I think that night is when we heard some whoops. Todd and Ashley didn't stay in base camp that night. They went up to an area called I guess I could say Strawberry the Mountain. They were camping in the back of their truck that night, so they're, I
don't know, a couple of miles away. We heard some whoops, we heard some interesting things, we heard some wood knocks, and then the activity dies down and that's when we started seeing UFOs. I know people are probably going to shake their head, but we had the first couple of nights we had a lot of cloud cover, but this night was crystal clear. It was cold as shit, and all the clouds were gone. The sky was beautiful. We could even see a little bit of the Aurora borealis from where
we were, not much, but you could tell it was there. But everything else was crystal clear. And we start seeing these lights, I don't really know how else to describe it, moving rapidly across the sky in different directions. We could see every thirty minutes or so, we might see a commercial airliner that maybe going from Alberta to Calgary fly over US at about thirty six thousand feet that you see the two lights flashing. It's clearly an airliner.
These things were probably at eighty ninety thousand feet. They were way above anything there. There were multiple ones at certain times flying they looked like they were going to intersect. They could have been one hundred miles away from each other, but to the naked eye, it looked like they were going to
hit each other. So they're flying back and forth towards each other. I watched one in binoculars fly straight up, stop and make an immediate left turn at a ninety degree angle at I'm estimating probably two to three thousand miles per hour. It was one of the most interesting things I've ever seen in my life. We're watching these things in the sky. There was probably at one point there was eight or ten at the same time in this one general area
that we're watching. Now, who knows what's going on behind us on the other side. We're just focused on this area because they're concentrated. There eight or ten of them. We get a meteorite that comes over our heads and explodes into these beautiful colors. We saw probably five or six shooting stars that
night. It was the craziest night I've ever had in the sky. I've seen a lot of crazy shit in my day, and I've seen some weird things over the course of years, but cumulatively, to have all of that happen within the course of just two or three hours was phenop really crazy stuff, really interesting. We watched these things, like I said, for a couple hours with binoculars, just big balls of light that we couldn't make out
anything. That were too far away to see any kind of shapes. But these things were just big, like glowing blue lights, traveling eight to ten thousand miles an hour in all kinds of directions. It was really strange. The next night, Todd and Ashley were back in base camp and we set up again. We had some really interesting experiences wood knocks. Didn't hear any whoops or anything, just mostly wood knocks. That was pretty much it for
that evening. Then more hikes. Everywhere we went. We were finding tree breaks, we were finding foot prance, weird structures, just weird stuff. Towards the end of I think it was probably the day before I left, or maybe the Yeah, a couple of days before I left, or the day before I left, we decided to just go on an afternoon height. We'd all been out that evening, we were coming back to camp to get
ready to do dinner and whatnot. We hadn't been to a certain area near base camp, and I was like, why don't we go over there, and todds, let's take a walk. So grab the guns and we just go in this direction. We go back. We find this beautiful area to watch the sunset. We just sit back and we just meditate, just chill, listen to the sounds and we meditate. Watch the sun go down. It was beautiful. We get up, we go in a different direction to
go back than the way we came. I was like what's over there to's I've never really been that way. Let's go that way. Okay, so we go that way, dude, I saw the most amazing thing I think I've ever seen on that hight. Now there's some old trees out there. Now, there's a lot of forest tree that's been going on. There's a lot of down trees. There's a lot of logging. But there's a line there that backs up to a national forest where there's no logging back there,
so you've got some old growth. These Douglas fir trees are enormous. I can't even describe to you how big and beautiful these trees are. Some of them are probably three hundred years old. We help across some of those tides, like that's one of the oldest trees I've ever seen out here. It's amazing. We're just in awe of the trees. And then we come upon this big, huge, Douglas fir tree. I was immediately drawn to it, just because I saw the base of the tree and how big around it
was. It's as big as the hood on my Mini Cooper. It's huge. But that wasn't the interesting part. There are three huge trees propped up on to the side of this tree. There's two on one side that come together at the top and the teepee formation, and the tops of these trees are within two to three inches of each other at the top, and then the bottoms are down stuck into the ground. There's no root bottom that we could see. These trees were placed there. They're probably I could estimate,
I'm horrible at this. I would say anywhere from twelve to eighteen hundred pounds each of these trees is. And there's another one on the backside, so there's three of these trees. So we're walking around in awe of it, and I'm like, how in the hell did these trees get put up there? And when we started looking really closely at the trees, you could see a water line where it looked like one of them had been laying on the
ground. At least one of them had been laying on the ground, because one side is perfectly smooth and together, and then the top side of the tree at the bottom, the way it's propped up, the top side is there's like a water line like it's just been laying on the ground for an extended amount of time. So I am really baffled at this point, and there's tree breaks by the way, there's a couple of tree breaks on either side, like probably four to six inch trees that are broken, maybe ten
twelve feet up, and they're pointing in a certain direction. I don't even know why, but Todd's talking about it. We're talking about it. He's like asking me what I think. And he pulls out his compass and he puts it on the tree because it looked like the trees were pointing in certain directions. He puts his compass on the first tree. It's pointing exactly and I'm not talking one degree off. I'm not talking two degrees half a degree.
It's pointing directly due north. He walks over to the other tree, puts his compass on the tree. It's pointing directly due south. The tree break is like southeast, and the other tree, they're the third one on the other side. Now mind you, it's on the back side of where
these two come together. But if you could see through the tree, if this is making any sense, the third one that's on the other side, the apex of that tree lines up exactly with the points of the other two trees that are propped up on the side of the big tree that are also within probably I would say two maximum six inches that separated the tops of all the trees. I've got video of it. I took a lot of pictures of it. Todd he did a video. I don't think he's put it
out on his YouTube channel yet. He's talked about it in one of his lives already. But we're all standing there with the mouths open. Because I've never seen anything like this, I don't know how to explain it. Some people would say, you saw a big tree and three trees fell on it, right, it's a forest, and I would normally say that I'm very Okham's razor would tell you trees fall in the forest, they land on other trees. But when you put all of that stuff together cumulatively and see how
they're propped up there, the water line on the tree was definitive. The other ones were questionable, whether they were laying on the ground at some point or not. But if one of those trees was laying on the ground, that means something or somebody had to pick them up and put them in that position off the ground. Because there's no root balls there. They didn't follow
that one, So I have no explanation for that. And then you put in the fact that one's pointing directly due north and the other one's pointing exactly due south. I don't know. Man, the first time that Todd had ever seen that particular structure, Oh yeah, he was completely an utter shock. It was clear was he used to that area? Had he been there before? And I was wondering if he had any idea how new it was.
He had not been through that area. He estimated we were all estimating looking at the way the trees were, the condition the trees that were propped up were. These trees could have been anywhere from twenty five to thirty years old when they had been placed there, so it could have been there for a long time. And no, that was not an area that he normally
goes to. Like I said, even the trail that we took to get to the first area was not a way that they normally go because they don't tend to go closer to the National forest area that we were next to. We were literally on the cut line between where the logging area where logging is permitted and where it's not, and we crossed that line of demarcation and went into this area, so it was not an area that he was familiar with. I pointed to the area that I wanted to go. He didn't lead
us there. It was me leading us in that direction. So it wasn't like a planned thing. He didn't say, oh, let's go over here. And no, it was not one of those because that's my first thought. Okay, he was just leading me here. But I could tell by the way that we pointed it out. Richard and I were like the first two people to see it and said we went that direction to look at the
tree, and then we found those trees and then the tree breaks. I think initially Richard saw a tree break and that's what pulled him in direction, and then we brought everybody over to it. So it wasn't even Todd or Kyle or Ashley that brought us into that area. It was me and Richard, the two people that had certainly never been there before. And I could tell. I'm a pretty good judge of character. I could tell if somebody had seen something before, this was completely new. He was baffled by what
we were seeing, and we kept walking around and finding more. We'd find more tree breaks. We spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes just in this area, and then we eventually hiked back out and made it back to base camp. Does this open the whole new can of worms as far as WU is considered in the Big Boot community. First of all, you would have to be able to somehow prove that it was done by sasquatch. Not going to
happen, I'm sure. But the fact that one was pointed due north and the other due south, and your words, not a single degree off to either side. How does that happen if it was done by sasquatch? Again, we'll never know. I'm sure they don't have instruments that can tell them or do that. What does that mean? How does that happen? That's amazing to me. And we can certainly get into the WU part of it, because I talked about that with you and on the show before. Tight
is into that sort of mind speaks, spiritual kind of connection. When Todd asked her about the tree, he's Ashley, what are you getting from this tree in this situation? And she immediately with hesitation, says, I feel like they are paying homage to this tree because it is the oldest tree in this forest. It's still alive. By the way, this tree's probably four
hundred, four hundred and twenty five years old. So she goes to that place where she feels like the Sasquatch are doing this for a reason, they're paying homage. She even went to the point where she was saying she felt like maybe the Sasquatch had placed those trees there to say, if there's logging going on, don't take this tree to draw some sort of attention to it. It certainly drew our attention when we saw it. I don't know.
I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I don't get into that. I certainly tried. I gave it a valiant effort. I did some meditation while I was out there. I tried to cleanse and tried to ground. I tried to get as close to nature as I possibly could, because I do think that's important, whether you're talking about Woo and Bigfoot or not, just being a part of nature. I try to do that here on our property as much as I can, and connect to that and whatever capacity I can wherever
I go. Todd and Ashley are certainly more into that. You'll hear it in the audio, Todd talks about that sort of aspect of his research. I ask him point blank in the audio that I posted, you're a different Todd than the Todd I talked to two years ago for the first time. And I'm a different Todd than I was just a few months ago. He's taking this spiritual journey with Sasquatch and this connection. Again, I didn't feel that I can't speak to that for myself. That is a little out there
for me. But if that's the way that they're approaching their research and they feel like they have this connection, who am I to say they're wrong? But you're right. It does open up a whole can of worms with if it's sasquatch, how do they do it? But I didn't even go to if it's Sasquatch. I just tried to approach it, and we do. We break it down in the video that Todd took while we were out there, and I think it may be on some of the video that I took.
If it were a person a, it would not be one person. It would be a group of people with mechanical instruments to lift these trees off the ground out of the position they were in and to position them in the position that they were leaning up against this tree on three sides, and stay tuned for more Sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages. How is that possible? And why would they do it? It would
take come along. You would have to have some mechanics. I don't know if you wouldn't have to have some kind of a I don't know, excavator or something with an arm long enough to pick this tree up. Because we're talking these trees are sixty feet long and they're twelve hundred and fifteen hundred pounds. You could probably take twenty men out there and lift it up off the ground, you know, at waist high. But how do you get it to point up eighty feet into this tree? I don't know how you would
do that. Maybe somebody can watch the video and tell me how a person or a group of people could do that. I'm certainly willing to listen. I'm not saying it with sasquatch, but I'm saying it's weird, and I don't know any other explanation other than the one that I was presented by Todd and Ashley and saying does it look like people did this. No, it doesn't not in that area. There's nothing out there. If you're not out there to log trees, you're not out there putting up against other trees.
It's just not happening. I ask. I'm assumming that y'all didn't see any signs of heavy equipment ever been out there, or we could barely walk in the area because of the dead fall that was around that area. There's a ton of dead fall out there. We couldn't ride a four wheeler back there. You couldn't ride a bike back there. Like I said, it's difficult to traverse when you're walking in hiking boots. The heavy equipment would have crushed
anything that it went over. I don't know, man, it's just it's tough. That was the end of the experience. Really. We didn't really hear anything that night. I didn't really experience anything outside of that. I walked out of the woods that day scratching my head, really wondering what I had just experienced. I don't know. It was cool, man, but it's definitely left me scratching my head. Now, you and I both have interviewed people, and I know what's happened to me, and I'm sure it's
happened to you. We've talked to people that have talked about this kind of a sixth sense, this feeling that you get, like a feeling of dread, like something's watching you. I have felt it in the woods. I'm sure you have felt it in the wood. Did you ever feel anything like that the six day sixth not you were out there, did you ever feel
like you were being watched or that you weren't alone? Yes, multiple times during the experience, when we were sitting around the fire and when the wood knocks would happen, what sounded like talking and the whoops that were coming from different directions, I felt that. And particularly on the night walk that we took, I felt most exposed and I did feel the presence of something. I don't know what it was. Could have been a big cat, it
could have been a bear, could have been anything in the woods. But Todd was convinced, Ashley was convinced that we were interacting with a sasquatch. I'll be honest with you, I don't know any big cats or any bears that can pick up a rock or a stick and make the knock sounds that we were hearing and interacting with. We went out in the middle of the woods and sat down. Now, I had a hard time sitting down.
I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it really took me a few moments to get my feet and legs to say, Okay, I'm going to come out from under my ass and I'm gonna sit here in the dark, in the middle of the woods with something two three hundred yards away knocking on trees and having that feeling of we're not alone. That's a tough place to be if you've never been in that situation. So it took a lot for me to do that. And then eventually, after we sat there for I don't
know ten to fifteen minutes, it subsided and it went away. Then farther down in a different area I know, I'd estimate three four hundred yards away, we got this Wow, this really loud, crisp clear wood knock, and almost collectively we're all just like, okay, I think that met goodbye, it's time to go, and we just as a collective group just stood up and made our way back to base camp. But yeah, that feeling is very difficult. It wasn't really dread. For me, it was more
of an uneasy. I was shaking uncontrollably at certain points. I'm afraid to admit Richard had the same experience. Obviously, I won't put words in Richard's mouth. I'll let him talk about that when he comes on the show, but he and I both talked about it afterwards in the days that followed about justice. I think it was more adrenaline probably than fear, because I didn't
really feel afraid. It was just this uncontrollable shaking that I was going through, and it was cold outside, but I was dressed for I don't know. Once that feeling left, I wasn't shaking anymore and I was okay. I definitely think we were interacting with something. I felt that the course of several times during the expedition, and unlike what I've said before, I know I've said it to Kyle, I've said it to Logan and other people that
have been out there. Is it possible that Todd's got people in the woods doing wood knocks and whoops and all the things that you guys are experiencing. I can tell you now from personal experience, there is no fucking way on earth that there was another person out there doing what we were hearing in that
area, we would have heard them come in. You cannot get in there unless they hiked for two weeks through the six or eight hundred or one thousand acres on the other side of us to get to that point, to be three four hundred yards away and know exactly when to do what they were doing. It's not possible. So we were interacting with something in the woods that I can't explain now to that point, I'm sure a lot of people are
going to question because it opped into my head. This Jason guy. I mean, y'all took it him up to do his own hike and going out there and do his own thing. There's people going to question, was he in Cahoot. That's the first thing that I said. I even said it to Todd and Kyle. When I first saw Jason, I thought, Oh, how convenient. I'm out here at base camp and Jason just happens to
be going in the woods for ten days by himself, wasn't him? If you could see geographically where Jason was versus where we were, there is absolutely, hands down, no way, shape, form, or fashion that he could have possibly done any of the things that we were hearing in the area that we were hearing. It was the complete opposite side of where he took the hike, and frankly, he's got video of himself up on the mountain at the same time these things were going on. Even if there was a
question about his character, which hands down, there's not. Jason is one of the most stand up guys that I've ever met. He was not out there for anything to do with Todd. It was his own journey that he was on. Again, like I said, he's got video, He's already posted some of it on his Instagram page of him literally up at the top of radium showing where he's camping each night and what's going on up there. Hands down, absolutely no way, shape, form, or fashion that it
was Jason. Did you guys experience anything being thrown at you at all? I did not talk about that because it wasn't definitive to me. But on two different nights, on two different occasions, we heard what sounded like pine cones kitting the camper behind us, and I don't mention it because I couldn't tell if it was rocks. I've got it recorded, It's on audio, it's clearly hitting the camper multiple times. While we're having these other experiences.
We're having wood knocks, we're having the whoop sounds, we're hearing the talking. All the stuff's going on. But we couldn't find the pine cones. Could it have been rocks, Sure, there were rocks all in that area. I didn't see it and I couldn't find what it was, so I didn't really talk about it. But yes, at least two different nights we had that, but it was only those two nights, and I did wake up at one point. Again, I haven't listened to the audio, so
I didn't really want to mention it. But I was awakened at I think it was three thirty eight. I literally looked at my phone and committed its memory. It was like three thirty eight in the morning. Something was either tapping on the window of my camper or something was throwing something at the side of the camper, and it woke me up. And I'm a pretty heavy sleeper, and I had a little sound machine going on my phone, and it woke me up over that, and I heard what sounded like shuffling outside
of the camper. When I looked out there was no movement. I couldn't see anything, but something was definitely going on outside. Again, I don't know it could have been a squirrel dropping nuts on top of the camper. Until I go through the audio and actually hear, hopefully some confirmation what I heard. I don't really want to get too deep into the weeds on that, but that's another experience that I had that I really can't explain because it's rare that I get woken up by a sound. You wake up, you
got to go to the bathroom, whatever. But it startled me awake because it was that loud. It was like a like something smacked to the side of the camper. Again, it could have been tapping, it could have been thrown. And then I heard what sounded like shuffling outside to the point where I was a little alarmed and I thought, ah, what is that. So hopefully I captured that on audio and maybe I'll have a little bit more of a definitive answer as to what that could have been. But without
seeing it, it's difficult or impossible really to say. I'm glad that you brought that up, because it leads to something that I've talked about recently. When you woke up to this possible something hitting the trailer and scuff scurrying around outside. How did you feel Did you have the energy to get up? Dude? Did you get up and go investigate? Just how did you feel? Yeah? The first thing I thought was what the fuck was that? Who's tapping on the trailer? The second thing I did was get up and
look out the window. So you were able to get up, yes, But the problem is the window that was behind me has a cover on it and I couldn't look out directly out that window, so I had to look out both side windows and there was no movement. The camper next to me was h Kyle and Richard were There was no lights, there was no movement, nothing. I didn't hear the shuffling anymore. When I did look out the back, I saw nothing, But I did get up and look.
That's something I've talked about here recently. I talked about it with Doug Hatchak when I went on as a guest on his show. It's happened to me several times out on expeditions camping, waking up, something waking you up outside of your tent or outside of the camper, and me knowing that I'm there to gather evidence, I'm there to see something, but just not having the energy or the drive to get up and go check talk something stopping you.
So that was my thinking by asking that. Yeah, I was shocked, actually, but I had an adrenaline rush, like I said, because it was a start that woke me up, and I was like, I had that minute or what the hell was that? Then it kicked in. I need to look right because at that point we were deep enough into the expedition that Richard had his experience, had gotten up in the middle of the night to go out and take a whiz next to the camper. He saw a
shadow standing over beside him. And I actually have the audio. If you want me to, I'll just I played and let everybody hear Richard talk about it in his own words, and then we can follow up if you want to do that. Yeah, let's do that. So Richard, you have an experience while you were out here, Why don't you tell us what happened?
Man? So I got really early in the morning, it was cold out, and I came out here to use the bathroom, and I was right about here and I noticed really huge black what I thought was a shadow just behind that little tree there, so I kept moving and looking to see if it would move, and it wouldn't move, so I decided to walk and I kept looking and I got out way the crop looking looking down,
and it wasn't moving. So I turned I looked back at the camper, and then I looked back and it was still there, and my first thought was it was a bear. While I walked closer because I wanted to try and get it to move, but it wouldn't move, so I didn't feel comfortable going any further, so I just turned around and walked away. And then later I woke Kyle up and we came out and I told him just what hot and here he came down over here, and I thought the trail
was real life. He goes off and came over this way and Kyle got in that spot walked over this way and I was like right here, and he said, there's a big hang up here, and I said there was hook up from this tree over here. It was huge, and I was
standing up there. I don't think it was the bear, and from stand out there and said, what he's that and he's I don't know him, but it's pretty solid and you can almost feel so he stood in it and then he went like this, right in this impression, it's really hard compared to the rest of it. And he went like this to take another step, and I was like, right there, that was about the height of the top of his head. Now, this is a pretty deep pull for
me to see it up there and see him. So whatever it was came out from there, but it was definitely a really huge black spot that took up a very tall space. You could see the video of Richard talking and I'll post this over on that Bigfoot podcast blog so everybody can see it. It's pretty interesting. Richard is a stand up guy. I know you guys don't know him. I spent seven days with him. He assaulted the Earth kind of guy. He's not going to make up stories while he's out there.
He goes on a little bit about his description of this thing. But he didn't get a good look at her. He didn't see a face. And he struggled with this for the rest of the trip because he didn't get a good look at whatever it was. It really didn't move, so he could take a really good gander and say, this is what I saw, But when you run through the gamut of things, if this were a brown bear, Richard probably wouldn't be telling this story, right. That's just the
way of the world out there. It's about a six to seven hundred pounds mail brown bear that hangs around in this area that we were very careful about. We didn't see throughout the course of the week, but he's been seeing on other expeditions. We know he's there. I don't know what Richard saw, but I don't think what Richard saw was a bear that night where shadows playing trick on him. He would say, no, he was pretty definitive
that something was there. He looked back, he made sure, he double checked, and he got close and probably within fifteen to twenty feet of whatever this was. Something was there the area that he's describing and he's talking about, I went and stood in that area. There are impressions in that hole that are very much like footprints, and they're spaced enough apart where if you
look exactly where those footprints are, your feet would be positioned. You have a perfect vantage point to see where Richard was standing in our base camp. I don't know. I was a little taken aback. By that, I mean it was definitely something that shook him up. Like I said, he struggled with it for the rest of the week. Was you know, he felt like he had a siding, but he wasn't sure. I think that's a whole lot of course, and not seeing anything at all, which is
the case for me. I didn't see anything at all, so I didn't have that battle going back and forth. But I don't know, it's pretty interesting that he had that experience in conjunction with all the other stuff that was going on around camp. Yeah, it definitely is. Now, were you guys armed? Were you allowed to carry? The laws in Canada are pretty cut and dry when it comes to guns. But I'll say this, we
never went outside base camp without a couple of weapons. There was a forty five seventy in base camp, and there was a shotgun with slugs and buckshot in base camp that always went with whomever was on the expedition. And I may or may not have carried one of those weapons. My lawyer said to say that was a joke. May or may not have been carrying some of those weapons on one or more of the hikes that we were on because it is bear country man. There's a lot of things out there that can kill
you, and we weren't taking any chances. We never left camp without bear spray and some sort of a weapon, had knives. On a worst case scenario, we can stab it in the eyeball. Now, what about smells? Did you smell anything that infamous rotten, nasty smell that sometimes gets attributed Absolutely no smells. Now, okay, we did have apples taken. I didn't mention that. We did put apples up at the gifting spot just outside
of camp on two different occasions. We did have apples taken. Some of them were eaten by clearly birds and squirrels and things like that, but some of them were completely gone. We did experience one of the apples being taken and there were rocks moved off of a stump. There was a couple of rocks that had been placed there. One was like a small blue rock. I've got video of this and I took some photos as well. It was towards the end of the I think it was the night before we left the
expedition. We went up to check the apples. Apples were taken from fourteen feet off the tree, I don't know if I saw it or Ashley saw it. One of us said who moved the rock? Because we all took mental notes of where everything was right. There's a couple of gifting stumps around there where people have put rocks and other things. I put rocks out there
on our apples and those were moved. We can't really explain what happened, but those were moved from the apples and this rock particularly, there was a bigger rock with a smaller blue rock that really stuck out. That blue rock was taken off of that rock and they were rearranged on the stump next to where the apples were taken. I can't explain that. I don't know what did it. It happened. And Todd had a siding. Todd and Nashley had a siding when they were out by themselves during the day. I took
some video of Todd recreating that siding. I'll post that at some point in time for you guys to take a look at as well. But they were at a really strange structure that they found, maybe a couple of miles away from base camp. They were out there during the day, had an experience and an interaction with a sasquatch that walked up and did a couple of tree
knocks in front of him and disappeared into the bush. Todd tells that story much better, Like I said, I've got it his entire recreation in the area, so you can see the structure, you can see the area, and you can see Todd recreating his and Ashley's experience that they had with the sasquatch. He can do it much better than me. But that's pretty much it in a nutshell now. He they said he saw one actually hit the tree. Yes, he watched it knocked the tree. Yes, couldn't tell
what it had in its hand. He assumed that it was a rock, may not have had anything in its hand. But again he talks about it in the video. We'll post that audio and or the video so you guys can take a look at it and get it directly from Todd. But yes, he and Ashley said they had that experience and it walked up and hit the tree twice like bail And stay tuned for more sasquatch ott to see. We'll be right back after these messages. And of course you aren't with him.
I was not, and I just left that there. Yeah, I know, man, I know what people might think. And here's the thing. I have struggled so much after this expedition because I went into it with a very open mind. I tried to put myself in the best place I could. You and I talked about it. I even said it to Kyle, and then while I was there, I told Todd I literally came into that experience thinking I was going to be hoaxed. I really thought that everything
that happened to me was going to be a hoax. And the second I arrived at base camp, I had to reevaluate and I had to spend that first night really considering the fact that if something happens out here, I have to approach it with an open mind, just like I would being skeptical about any other evidence or whatever the case may be. I have to be open to the fact that something might happen. I might have a siding, I might have an experience that's real, and I can't just automatically dismiss it as
a hoax because it's very likely it's not. Because of the remote area we're in, there's nobody else out here to perpetrate a hoax. It's just not possible, right. I had to really erase that out of my mind and recalibrate and say, Okay, I'm going to do the very best I can to approach this from a very open minded perspective and just say, I'm going to go into this with no expectations one way or the other, whatever happens. I'm going to evaluate the experiences I have in real time as they happen
and just approach it that way. So that's what I did, and every single time I did that, I had experiences that I can't explain. I wasn't hoaxed. There wasn't people out there beating on trees. There were people out there yelling in the woods. I don't think people were out there doing these elaborate tree structures that I saw. Now, the tree breaks are another thing. Kyle and I had some arguments about that, and I even talked to Todd about it, Like these trees, tree breaks can be done by
people. Some of them at least could be done by people. Right if they're right there on the way into base camp, you're bringing people in for expeditions, you're driving in, and you can see tree breaks automatically. Oh look, at that tree break. Oh, look at that tree break. Now? Could they be regular deadfall? Could they be snowload? Could it happen naturally? Sure? I did see a lot of tree breaks that I
can't explain, and the way that they're broken. I actually posted a video on Facebook, I think put on Instagram of me doing a demonstration of breaking a tree that's probably two and a half inches round. I made it look very similar to the tree breaks that we were finding, but not exact. And that's the thing about a lot of these tree breaks is they are very specifically done, or at least it appears that way. All of the material on the back side of the break is still intact. It's what they call
a clean break. Todd and Kyle call it a clean break versus a dirty break or a messy break. I see ones that you can see that are clearly snowload, with other trees bent around and things going on in the area are pretty obvious. Some of these I shake my head and scratch my head and go, I don't know what really caused that. I don't know any natural reason for that. So I really want to seek out an arborist or
somebody who's into trees or the mechanics of snowload and things like that. So if anybody out there is listening and you have some expertise in that area, I'd love to talk to you on the show about it and show you some of the pictures of videos of some of the things that we found in that area and even that I found here on my property, to get some perspective that I don't have, or maybe you don't have, as to what would cause that naturally, Because I can just look at it and say that could
be natural or it could be a freaking sasquatch. I don't know. There's nothing in between for me because I'm not an arbist, I don't know mechanical engineering. I'm open to have that conversation, but until that happens, I just have to say there's a lot of those tree breaks and a lot of things that are pointing in certain directions and done a certain way that I can't explain. I have to say, is it possible that a sasquatch did it?
Sure? Because again Todd has told stories. He told me about a situation where he watched a sasquatch do a tree break because he didn't believe the tree breaks were real. He started his entire research career, according to Todd, to prove that sasquatch weren't real. He didn't think they were real.
The tree breaks kept happening. He was discovering these tree breaks. One stepped out on a trail in front of him and snapped a tree right in front of him, and he was like, holy shit, they do tree breaks. Until I had that experience and actually see a sasquatch break a tree in front of me, I'm probably going to be scratching my head and saying, I don't know if that happened. Is it possible as sasquatch did it? Sure? Is it possible that it's something natural? Absolutely? Minute sounds like
you had a great time. Said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm jealous. I would love to have an opportunity like that. I'm glad you got to go, man, I really am. Yeah, I am too. And that was the thing going into it. He didn't figure it was going to change my mind about the videos that everybody talks about with Todd, whether the videos are real. And I asked him the question about what about the footage leading up to it, that's been a big question for
me. It was a question for Les Stroud, it was a question for a lot of people. What about the lead up and what about the back end of the videos? And I have this on audio. It's not on the first round of stuff that I put out, but I should have it in the other audio that I have to go through. Yet I asked Todd what about that? Where's the lead up footage? And the simple answer is there isn't any There isn't any lead up footage. There isn't any footage.
Afterwards, he says it's because of the equipment he was using. He was using a camera with a limited battery life. He's out in the middle of the woods, he's in the cold, he had to save his battery. So, according to Todd, there's no lead up footage for the Jane, the Jake and any of the other videos because he literally, there's a sasquatch. Let me focus on it, let me turn the camera on, let me zoom in. And that's his answer. That's one of those questions that
I promise people I would ask. I did ask, and that's what the answer was. Can I say that makes sense? Sure? I've been out before and I've saved the battery on my phone. I didn't charge my phone before I go one a two hour hike, and I don't record everything like I normally would because I have to save my battery. So is that a feasible answer? Sure? Does it change my mind about the validity of the videos? Not necessarily. But here's what I had to really come away with.
People have asked me so many times. People have already commented. Some people on our Patreon have already listened to the episode and said, I think Todd's full of shit. Everybody's always going to have that opinion. There's some things I don't agree with him on. I don't get into the spiritual connection. I don't necessarily understand or get into the mind speak part of his Bigfoot research. Is telepathy real? Yeah? I think it is. I think
that science has proved that telepathy is a thing. Can you have a telepath connection with Bigfoot? If they exist? Maybe? Does Todd have that? Does Ashley have that? Does Kyle have that? Maybe? I certainly don't, so I can't speak to that. But I think here's the bottom line for me. When I walked away from the expedition with Todd, I spent enough time with Todd. He invited me into his home. He was gracious, he was welcoming, he was open. He let me record any and
everything I wanted to audio video. He didn't care. He had nothing to hide. So I walked away with this. I am not convinced that his videos that he has purported in the past to be real Sasquatch are real. I walked away from the expedition saying, you know what, I don't know if I even give a shit anymore. To be honest with you, I don't really care about the videos anymore because seeing them do the research, getting out into the woods, spending time sleeping on the ground and doing boots on
the ground research and finding things. We discovered things that nobody else has ever found during that expedition. Todd didn't know about those structures that we found. They're doing research, they're having experiences. I had experiences in those woods that I can't explain with what I believe to be a sasquatch. So that part is true. So I'm focusing on that. Because he says he has more video. I asked him about his upcoming documentary, and he does have more
video footage that's going to be into the documentary. I won't say what the videos of I'll let that be for the documentary. But he has a new video of what he purports to be a sasquatch. Let's wait until that comes out and we'll judge that when it comes out. I can't speak to that. I haven't seen the video. He didn't show it to me. But the documentary's happening. It's going to be put out here, probably in the next I would say four to six months, maybe sooner. I don't know.
Let's judge that. But what I I'm judging on is my time with Todd, my experiences with him, Ashley Kyle, and Richard out in the woods. I have to say, although I don't agree with everything he says, I believe that what he's doing is real. The research is real. We didn't even get into the thermal drone. We put the thermal drone up twice. I've got videos of that, probably an hour's worth of thermal drone video that I'll eventually put out for you guys to take a look at.
He's using tools that other people really aren't using, I think, and doing things that in a way that people necessarily aren't doing to try to get footage to prove the species and do some of those things. I walked away with believing that the research is real and still questioning the videos. But at the end of the day, I can't say that I dislike Todd. I like Todd, I like Ashley. I had a great time. The area is beautiful. Here's what I would say. I would challenge anybody if you don't
believe me, you don't believe the research. Whatever, I want an expedition, go to the area, experience it yourself, and formulate your own opinions. That's really all I can say about it is it's one of those things you have to see to believe, and you have to experience it to draw your own conclusions about You know it it, man. You absolutely said what I've been saying this whole time. I think the videos, Like you said, you don't care anymore if they're real or not, because you can respect
what he does. And that's what I've always said. I respect the hell out of how much time he puts in the woods, everything that he does, and the boots on the ground. It's just like the videos. You don't need it, man, you don't need it. You're putting in the work, You're doing so much more than so many other people are doing. I don't know. I think you said it very well, like I said
something that people just really have to experience for themselves. I'm sure people are probably going to be pissed off just because I said I don't hate Todd, but it is what it is. I'm going to be honest about it. The man treated me with respect, He opened his house up to me. He was a genuine, honest dude. I don't feel like he lied to me about anything over the course of the week that we were there. He is an open book. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks about most things,
and you can disagree all you want. It's fine. We disagree on a lot of things. There's that mutual respect I don't get from a lot of people, honestly. There's a ton of people who talk a ton of crap. You got keyboard vigilanes that are going to tear me apart for not bashing him and saying I'm on board with it, or whatever the case may be. I don't really give a shit because how many times have those people
actually gone out into the woods. That's one of the things Todd said to me, very few podcasters would ever have the balls to come out and do what I did for seven days. We lived a tough seven days. Man. It was not being put up in a hotel. We were in the frickin bush, shitting in the woods and surviving. We had campers obviously to sleep in, but it was cold as hell. We were in the middle of nowhere, and shit can happen out there if you don't have the balls
to actually go out experience it yourself. I don't think you really have a place to talk about what other people are doing until you have the experiences and see the area where you're having those experiences in, can you really formulate an opinion. Because I talked a whole lot of shit about Todd for a couple of years, and it took me that long to actually go up there and experience it. And when I did, I walked away with the newfound respect
for him. Again, I won't agree with everything he says. I'm not necessarily picking up what he's putting down with the telepathic stuff because I didn't experience that, but hey, it's his thing. He's not hurting anybody doing that. The people he takes out on these expeditions, they go back, they go back multiple times, and if nothing else, just the area and being in that area for that amount of time just recharges your batteries. Whether Bigfoot
stuff happens or not. It's a gorgeous place. It's an amazing place. You eat good food, you connect with nature. I learned a lot about myself on that trip. If that's the worst thing that happens, you have the money to pay him and go out on an expedition. Where's the harm in that? I drove to Charlotte to go see a show last night that cost me money. I enjoyed the show. I took the risk of driving there, I took the risk of driving back. I spent the money to
go to the show. It's the same thing, right, It's just a different perspective that you have to get into going and spending a week in the woods versus spending a couple of hundred dollars to go to a football game or whatever the case may be. I don't think it's any different. The only difference is I do believe Todd and Kyle and Ashley are out there really doing research because they're searching for answers in their own way. Maybe it's different than
what I would do. Maybe it's different from what you would do or other people would do. But they're searching for answers and they're doing research and they're having experiences. I would love to do something like that, and hopefully one day that opportunity to presents. This s uff to me because I would jump all over it, or I really would. Maybe next year, Man already said, I'd like to go back up to Radium. I'd like to enjoy some more time out there, maybe have some more experiences. I may go
back next year. I don't know. We'll just have to see. I will go with you. We might have to make that happen, all right, Man, that's all I've got on this one. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. Man, I'm happy that you got to go. Yeah. I had a good time. And like I said, we'll post some videos and we'll post some pictures up on the blog. So you guys go over to Paranormal World Productions dot com and go over and check out the videos we're talking
about the photos. If you have questions, we're probably going to do a live show about this. We'll probably do a Paranormal Odyssey live. We'll probably do a Sasquatch Odyssey live. But if you have questions you want it, answer it over here. We can certainly do a follow up. Send us an email. Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com, Wayne at Paranormal World Productions dot com. We always love to hear from you, rate and review
the show. You guys are doing a great job on Apple Podcast and Spotify rating and reviewing the show. Leave us some feedback. If you like the show, you like what you're hearing, tell your friends about it, tell your family about it, and leave us a ready the review. It helps other people find us. We appreciate the feedback so much, guys. We've been getting quite a bit of it, emails, comments, on social media,
private messages. They're coming in. People really seem to be enjoying it, and I'm grateful for all the feedback and all the support you guys are giving us, So please keep it coming. Absolutely, we appreciate each and every one of you that have listened and continue to listen. You get the last word, man, y'all be good to yourselves, be good to each other, and we'll see you next time. You