Hey, everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oddis. Hey, guys, will welcome back to Sasquatch Odds. Thank you so much for clicking play. We're so glad that you joined us for the show. You have an amazing guest line up for you, but as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email and get me at Brian at parent
Oral Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I said, we have a great guest but I'm not sure if you're gonna think that or not. It's just a little bit of a different show today. I actually got invited on big Foot and Beyond over with Cliff and Bobbo a couple of weeks back, and I wanted to bring that to you guys. I know not everybody listens to every podcast, but Cliff, Bobbo and I had a really
amazing conversation. I've become friends with Cliff and I've really enjoyed him very much. After we hung out a couple of times out in Idaho, and we got to do the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference together a couple of months back. So we had a really cool conversation. We get into all kinds of different
things. We talk a little bit about my experiences and some of the things that are going on on the property, maybe some things that you haven't heard me talk about, because when people listened to Cliff and Bobbo show Bigfoot and Beyond, they reached out to me and said, hey, man, I didn't know you lived off grid for a year and a half in a cabin on your property. So I tell some stories that maybe you haven't heard before. I think you're really going to enjoy this. I know I certainly had
a good time with those guys. They're both amazing. Matt Pruett, the producer over there, is a good friend of mine and just really really cool people. So I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Really quickly. If you haven't already done so I've said it so many times already, make sure you find that Bigfoot podcast, the new podcast that Wayne and I are doing together. It is a completely different show than this one. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Make sure you've follow us wherever
you're listening to this podcast. Now, set up those automatic downloads. We're gonna drop the first five episodes of that show coming on October thirteenth, and then we'll do weekly shows after that. You definitely don't want to miss anything, and make sure you follow that show on Instagram at that big Foot Podcast, we'd love to have you over there. But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to get into that Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo episode, So I'm gonna stop talking. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Bobo, how you doing, man? How's going Cliff? I'm doing good? Number eight too, Man. I've just muddling through work and stuff and not gonna leaves town this coming weekend for a week for my first non Bigfoot related vacation and I don't know the year and a half, two years maybe more, long long time looking forward to that. Gonna go catch some fish, hopefully in Mexico. There's a good
bite downersn't there. Yeah, Hurricane kind of mess things up there just for a couple of days and then it's funny. I'm going to LAPAs in that general area, and the hurricane didn't do as much as the rain that came a week later did. Apparently there's flooding and all sorts of stuff, but it should be all cleared up by the time I get there. I guess the dorado bites off the hook. They're starting to catch some other species as well that they've been seeing, marlin and sale fish, so we'll see,
we'll see what happens. Of course, by the time this gets published, I will have already come back, so maybe I'll have a couple of fish pictures to put on the Patreon for people to enjoy. We're gonna cooler, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, bring it cooler down, and we're got me go go pongo fish and practice in my Spanish and doing all that sort of stuff. I'm looking forward to it. It's been too long, but ass are fine. Oh they're a lot of fun. They're a lot of
fun. I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, Dorado's people don't know. On the East Coast, they're called dolphinfish, and in Hawaii they're called in the high all the same species though, all the same species. Yeah, so that should be a good bite down there. I should read like the fishing report. When I was a little kid there and they caught like
sixteen barracouta fourteen dolphins, I would be all upset, I thought. When I was young, I was working in a fishing tackle store called Fisherman's Hardware and Long Beach, California, and some guy came in and he just got off one of those long range trips, like the sixteen day trips out of San Diego. They get on a boat and come back sixteen days later. They go target big, really big tuna, like two three hundred pound tuna, stuff like that. Then way down south Ofcabo in that general area.
So this guy comes in and he was saying, yeah, it was a good bite, but the dolphin were a problem. And I knew he wasn't talking about dolphin fish, He wasn't talking about Toronto. He was talking about corposes. He says he had. The dolphin became a big problem because tuna and dolphins school together and like sasquatches and coyote in a way. But he said, yeah, we cold we kept hooking dolphin, And I went, oh god, that's terrible, he said, and their dolphin are large animals.
Of course you have to reel them in and an unoak him and let them go. But this guy says, yeah, they pull really hard and it takes a long time, and you're not catching too while you got to deal with this dolphin that's on the line. It's terrible. I wish there's a way to avoid that sort of bycatch, but there really isn't. I'm those sort of trips, but it's not super common. Dolphins are actually a little bit too smart in general to do that. Yeah, one one gets
on every once in a while. But this guy says, yeah, like I caught one or whatever. They said, Yeah, gosh, they must pull really hard, and it sucks you got to spend so much time and hurting a mammal and all this sort of stuff. He goes, yeah, they don't taste it either, And what said you ate one of these?
And looking back at the time, I was like twenty or something. It's kind of gullible and young and stuff, so I was thinking, really what Then looking back, he's probably just be asking some kid, and I go, my god, I imagine they don't taste good, probably fatty and mammalion, Like what do they taste like it? He goes, I like seal and who am I talking to? Man? Who the heck is this guy waiting shell? They're surprised I like to do it all. They're like,
usually way people hate this stuff. And I'm like, like that didn't you eat up in Alaska with money Maker or something? Yeah, we're invited to a ceremony or something, an indigenous ceremony or some gathering or something. But then I had a bunch of other stuff too when I wasn't with my bike on to the Eskimo Olympics. That was awesome. What kind of thing is it? I thought it was Inuit they called They called the people that, Yeah, they call him so yes, Esca, it's the escol Olympics.
What kind of what kind of competitions are there to? They're awesome. There's this one like where I think it was two or three at least two guys are do it was three He has to hold I think he has one guy at each arm and he has to walk around and I think one on his back and he has to they measure. It's in a gymnasium. I think it was at University of Fairbanks and they would walk around this big gymnasium and they measure like how far who could walk? The photos scring those guys.
And there's another one where they are on their fingertips and their toe and the tips of their toes almost like a push up position. They have to high up like a see how far they can go. It was all things that were done because they had to be good athletes. Two things they're going across broken ice flows and stuff like that. They had to be able to jump and landed on angles and just be real, real like gymnastic kind of stuff. And they do this other thing where they hang like a it's like a
leather ball. They hang in the air and then they and they run up underneath it and they jump up and scissor kick and kick it and see you can you can kick it the highest and guys are getting up to the guys were kicking what would be like almost like a basketball rim height. It was amazing. And then what else they o. The women had a seal skinning contest. They'd bring it. They run out of these dead seals and then they have their knives and they see you can skin the seal the fastest.
It was one of the events, and then other than there's a the blanket tossed. Everyone gets in the corner of a huge blanket and they fling the the girls up in the air and they do like tricks in the air. To me, that sounds a lot equally, if not more entertaining than the regular Olympics. Everybody else it was it was awesome. That's cool man. Hats off to them, did you the people of the Alaska? And that's
cool stuff. And I'd love to had whale steel and waros. Oh my god, do you know what kind of whale or what kind of steal? God? I remember the seals are like the small Look they're not harbor steals, but they're they're small like a harbor steal, like that style. Okay, the whale was I think it was a right whale. I think that was what it was, or might have been a small whale, but I think it was a small whale. I don't think it was a blue gul
but it was a pilot whale or something. I don't know. I think it was a smaller whale. Just curious. I am interested interested in rain biology of all sorts. Of course, I'd like to hear the sort of details. Yeah, big news this week, Bopes. I'm sure you picked it up. I found out about it the day before it was announced that I was pretty stoked about it. The vander White mine, the Ape Canyon mine. Yeah, he discovered. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, unbelievable,
right, dude. I was like, he's I was like, I was like, wait, what has he sent me some pictures? But the guy was setting him. I was just like, because you always food like it was gated and dynamited and it was closed up for good, like you can't find it. And then to see the actual hole, I was just like,
God, I want to get up there so bad. Oh. Yeah, I'm actually because even though I failed to go there this past July, I got I got about two thirds of the way down to the Cabins site, and I said, man, this is too sketchy for an old man. If i'd been there, i'd been there in twenty fourteen, I think the year was had been down to the actual Cabins site. I touched the
actual foundation beams with my hands. I dug up a whole different side just with my hands, you know, like just a couple inches under the surface. Three of the foundation beams had been discovered when I was there, I guess say they looked around and cabin's getting eaten up by everything right now, He just it's back under. It's a few inches of soil, so it's either protected or hidden again, depending on your perspective. But yeah, when
we were there, we were just doing the best. Back in twenty fourteen, we're trying to figure out where the mine entrance might be in Mark man, I'll tell you, Mark Marcel is a gnarly He's a guy who doesn't belong into this century. These already pioneer vote. He just tied himself to a tree and dangled his butt off the edge. Then like overhanging the overhanging this small chasm right underneath the cabin site. Because the best information we had
was that's where the mine entrance was. But apparently not. Apparently not. Mark said that he was within seventy five feet of the mine entrance if we would have gone down to the left. And again I don't I saw the pictures that Mark published and he said to be those same pictures and maybe four. I don't know the context. I've been to the site. I know how gnarly it is. It is off the hook, dangerous, scary, just precarious the whole area. So when I saw that mine interests I go,
oh, my gosh, how would you get down to that? And the second picture, where the dude is standing at the entrance of the mine, you can see ropes. The first picture you couldn't see ropes, but the second picture I saw ropes. A man, that would be a gnarly climb, especially knowing what's probably right below it, one hundred foot drop to the bottom of certain death essentially, But then again, I don't know the
text. Maybe it's easier to get down too than I'm imagining, but having been there, I can't imagine it being easy at all, just at all. And how cool is it that the great grandsons of the youngest miner who was at the incident in nineteen twenty four are the people who rediscovered the mine. That's incredible, that's that is that's amazing. Yeah, that is just fantastic. That is so cool and just almost serendipitous in a way. But just how cool is that? Those guys must just be on the moon over
the moon. Oh yeah, that's a that's an accomplishment they got. They're carrying on the family legacy. They're stoked. Yeah, And of course I asked, Mark, can you get in there? And from what I hear and the picture terrified this too is that the small rocks in the area filled it in for a large to a large degree. But so I don't know, I don't know if one can how far one can get in there. I do know that somebody, one of the relatives, I think it was
Beck's grandkid. What is his name, road, I think his name is He was at the mine site, he said, in the nineteen seventies, so before the eruption happened on May eighteenth, nineteen eighty. So he was there to say there maybe three or four years or five years before the eruption, and he went into the mine and supposedly the mining equipment was still in there. The guys just bailed and left all their mining and gear there the next morning. Yeah, they well was the reporter. They were there,
the reporter and the cobs. Yeah, and that's it. And apparently they just left all their stuff in there, which could have been a small loss monetarily speaking for them, which kind of I think lends a lot of credence to their claim oh yeah, because they were poor. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, Yeah, that's I think that's the big news of the week, if not month, if not year. I think that's just fantastic. I'm considering Mark goes up there again. I'll even consider I'm able, I'll
give it a second shot. But we'll see what will happen, because we're running out of time here because winter is it will be upon us shortly, because it's an early fall here in the Pacific Northwest. Last year this time it was like ninety five degree and today we'll be lucky to hit sixty. So yeah, it seems like it's still warm. It's super warm here, but it does seem like falls already, poison oaks already turn their colors, and yeah, it just seems it's weird, like for us where we're regionally
it's above average war, but it feels the falls here earlier. Oh yeah, I guaranteed follows here early. It's a beautiful, crisp, blue sky day though, but you go outside and you'll get there's just that little edge to the air that like fall is upon us, which is cool. The older I get, the less I like those real hot days. So I'm ready for it. Well you got first. Today, Cliff, we have
a great guest for us today. I don't listen to any podcasts, not even ours, especially ours, because I've already said it, why do I need to listen? But I don't pay attention to podcasts or podcast stirs. But I've done a couple of gigs this year, and this dude was out there and I never really interacted with him because my life is so full of people already, I'm not seeking more. But it turns out that I crossed paths with this guy at my most recent gig, which is what we did
out in Idaho. Idaho's Squatch Con I think it was called Doctor Meldrum was there and which started out to be a pretty great gig. Thirty one hundred people came, according to the organizers, a lot of good people. Doctor Meldrum was on the job. And then Michael Freema is on the job. And this gentleman who is our guest today, Brian king Sharp is his name. He does another podcast, which is why I didn't know who he was, But apparently he does a lot of different podcasts, and I say,
well, you know what, that would be interesting. Take a meta podcast on our part if we had another podcast on and we can just talk about the business of podcasting, but also more than that, because Brian showed me some really good photographs of footprints he's been finding on and near his property. Brian and I went out a couple of times and had a couple of beers hung out at the events, and generally it turns out I really like him.
Brian's a rad guy. I consider him a friend now, and so I thought, hey, this is a great opportunity to have him on the podcast. So Brian my new friend. Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks guys, I really appreciate you having me on the show. Hey Brian, Hey, you got a pretty distinctive voice. Hey Bob, what's up man? Yeah? What's your podcast today? It is Sasquatch Odyssey. Yeah, let's see there you go. I don't listen to any
podcasts. I told you that Brian when I met just so I don't. I don't know anything, but I apparently been on your podcasts, which is funny, and I still haven't heard of it. How long have you been doing it? I started the first episode of Sasquatch Odyssey back in February of two and twenty one, a couple of years. I've been doing it as a full time gig since last March. But that's not the only podcast you do. Is that you have a handful of these things that you do in
various topics that are of interest to you. Sasquatch Odyssey was the first show. It was the main interest in Sasquatch. Obviously, some of the experiences I had as a kid led me down that path, but it balloomed into this studio really with several podcasts. One of the things that happened was, like, you guys, you do a Bigfoot and beyond because sometimes people have those stories that are beyond the Bigfoot things that was happening to me as I
was interviewing folks. I created an entirely new podcast called Paranormal Odyssey to talk about the dog man stuff, of the UFO stuff, the weird, high strangeness things that people were talking about. Because Bigfoot podcast consumers can be a little bit of a purist, and some people don't want to hear about UFOs and other things. They just want to stick to Sasquatch. So I've created that show. I've since passed that on to another podcaster who works in our
network, and he hosts that show for me. But I was also a police officer for sixteen years and I was really into true crime stuff, so I went on and started a true crime podcast. Those were the first three full time podcast and then Doug Hichek reached out to me when he started his Untold Radio network and wanted me to do a show over there, So I do a Weird Encounters show over there. Four full time podcasts, three of
which that I host currently. There's never a dull moment for sure. So what would be the differentiators between the Paranormal Odyssey podcasts and the Weird Encounters podcast. The Weird Encounters podcast is a little bit more about stories. The Paranormal Odyssey is based on real encounters. Basically, it's ended show. The Weird Encounter show that Doug and I brainstorm together was more about me sharing stories,
just reading the stories for people who enjoy that kind of thing. So it's a way less heavy on the interviews and more about me just doing narration. Now where do you get the stories? They're submitted by people who experienced them. I actually worked with a lady over in the UK who has a huge repository of some amazing stories that she has documented over the years, and she split those into a database, and I had her on the show a couple
of years ago. She had had an encounter with what she believes to be a sasquatch over in the UK, strangely enough, and she just allowed me carte Blanche to use those stories and read them on the show. And then of course we get others that are submitted via email from people that experienced them. God, Ema should be big, going out of your mind with being busy, because I know one podcast is a lot on my plate with everything
else I have going. But I guess you're doing this full time as well, so that probably helps a bit of Yeah, I was working fifty I was a week as a retail manager, managing fifty people and trying to do the podcast, the first podcast, which was Sasquatch Odyssey in the beginning, and it was too tough. Man. I enjoyed the podcast so much. It was my favorite thing that had ever done. I'd always been a performer. I sang when I was a kid. I was always in a band,
and I was always into that sort of performing thing. And to have some sort of creative outlet, and I started the show just because I wanted to talk about encounters specifically in the South eastern United States. I was born
and raised in North Georgia, near where Matt grew up. I think Matt's from Northeast Georgia, but I was born and raised there, and I grew up with stories of bigfoot, jensing hunters being ran off the mountain by wooly men and wild men and Harryman, so I was always very interested in that stuff. I was in law enforcement for sixteen years, like I said, and you don't talk about bigfoot at work, at least I didn't as a
cop, right. People already look at you like you've got two heads when you're a cop anyway, And I certainly didn't go to work and talk about Bigfoot in UFOs and some of the things I'd experienced them all. But after I left that in twenty sixteen, I was able to really dive into that. We bought forty acres of property here in North Carolina with the hopes of
there may be something going on here. I wanted some rural property that I could get out into the woods and maybe do some research, But the show was born out of just wanting to talk to people. That's what I did, just started reaching out to people and got the first couple of people on from North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee, and it just snowballed into I've talked to people literally in Ireland and London and other parts of the UK that have
claimed to have experiences with something they can't explain. But yeah, it's a full time job and it definitely keeps me busy. You mentioned that all these podcasts the seat of it was some sort of a experience you had when you were young. What was that? We had a couple of weird experiences. When I was a kid, we lived in what I believed to be a
haunted house. There was some it was a beyond thing right. There was a couple of guys that had lived there before us that were into some sort of Satanic rituals and things like that, So we had really weird things going on inside the house. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otosee. We'll be right back after these messages. When I was twelve, I was always out in
the woods. We were really poor, We had nothing. Basically, we did have a television, and we did have the old antenna that you had to go outside in the rain and turn the huge antenna to get the three channels that you could get. But I spent most of my time out in the woods. That was my rest. But from all the things that were going on in my house at the time, I would always go out. I fancied myself a little bit of a hunter, so I would go out
and try to squirrel hunt, bird hunt whatever. And at twelve, I went out in the woods one day during the summer. I think it was the summer before I turned thirteen. My birthdays in December, so I would have been twelve, and I went out into the woods that I'd been out in so many times. We rented this small little house from the landlord, and there was big fields and nothing but just pine, thickets and woods everywhere. I loved it. I was in heaven and I was out in these
woods one day, and I've been out there tons of times. I wasn't afraid of anything as a kid, I was out doing my thing in the middle of the day. I just got that feeling. You've talked to enough people that shared their big foot encounters and some of them mentioned that feeling the hair on the back of your neck stands up, the hair on your arms stands up. That's exactly what happened to me. And the first thing I remember thinking is I'm not supposed to be here. I've got to get out
of here. And the next thing that happened was I heard grub some growls, I heard some huffs, and something very large was moving just out of my vision, maybe ten to fifteen feet away in the woodline, and I just froze. It got louder, it sounded like it was getting pissed off. What I'd recognize now was probably a bluff charge stopped maybe ten feet away, just on the other side of the thicket, so I couldn't see in to see what it was, and I was gone. I was out.
Fight or flight kicked in. It was no longer time to stand there. I've said it before, I felt like it at the time it was going on. I felt like my legs were just sunk into the ground and I couldn't move. And once that thing got close enough, I really the fear kicked in. I just turned tail and I ran probably six or seven hundred yards back to the house, jumped over the fence and landed in my yard,
and I was like, Okay, I'm safe. But I didn't go to I didn't go back in the woods for probably six or eight months after that. I still, even when I'm thinking about it now, I could get that feeling of being back there. But whatever it was terrified me. I still don't know what it was. I didn't see it. I've always equated it to a possible sasquatch encounter because of what I've heard from so many people I've interviewed on the show over the last couple of years. But again,
I can't say I've had people. I even had one guy that had me as a guest on the show and say, maybe it was something demonic that was happening in your house that followed you into the woods. Okay, could be I don't know. Yeah, that experience really lit the fire that was already there. I was already interested in Kryptids. I was interested in
the Lockness Monster. I thought was my escape into out of the reality of being a poor kid that was having parental issues and divorce in the house, and all kinds of things that was going on in my life at that time. Plus I was twelve years old. I don't know that was the experience, and I don't know what it is. I still don't to this day. I can't say definitively what it was. But now, knowing the things that I know and the research that I've done, I think it might have
been an encounter with a sasquatch. It's funny help people help. Whatever background you come from, like totally, it gives you filter trow you viewed things like someone from like mom talentfi. Oh, it was a grizzly bear. Someone from Georgia would be like in a religious house. It's demonic colors your perception of things quite a bit, how you interpret things out there. That's a very good point. I just interviewed a lady Bobo that I had on
the show last year. I actually met her at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference year before last, and she was having issues with sasquatch on her property to the point where her and her husband moved. Last year. She just reached out to me again. They moved into another state. She claims to be having these issues again, and what she was describing to me sounded more like she may be living in a haunted house versus having Sasquatch activities. So again
I'm not a demonologist. I don't even play one on television. But that was the thing that you know through that lens I was telling her during the interview. It sounds like you may be experiencing something outside of Bigfoot. But you're right that lens I grew up in the church anytime that anything like that happened to people in and around that area, because I would hear stories.
My great grandmother, my great grandfather was telling me stories about these Gensing hunters that were being ran off the mountain and sometimes they called them devils or mountain devils or whatever. So it was this that sort of lens that in a southern Baptist area that I lived in is how people saw that. But in retrospect, knowing what I know now, I believe it was possibly a big
Foot. I don't know. Yeah, thought for a long time that you know, settlers and were not running across Sasquatches or whether they saw them or
not, they'd be very frightened of whatever. It is, just like you were as young as young boy there and of course they'd come back and say this thing, I saw this saying red eyes or yelled at me, or I felt crazy, it felt weird, and or it was an eight foot hairy thing that the local folks would say, Oh, that's the devil, that's a demon, and the automatically go to the superstition, the superstitious explanations,
rather than some sort of animal, which these things are. Anyway, that doesn't surprise me at all that that it's like what you were saying. It's like that lady may not have sasquatches, maybe something else going on. It goes the other way too, that's a two way street. That's what made me think of that. Yeah, so you mentioned that your house was haunted. This is Bigfoot and beyond. And despite what people think of me, I am interested in ghost stories. I don't don't I'm not going to
research that stuff, and my life is full of Bigfoot. But what was going on in your house at the time, it was really strange things. I've talked about this on the other shows before, and I'm almost leary to say it, but I was hearing voices in the house. That's kind of started hearing voices and hearing this scratching and voices. Could you recognize him? No? It was very I don't know how to describe it other than demonic sounding, was like that whisper. You can hear the whisper, but you
can't ever make out what it's saying to you. And I was hearing scratching on the walls and banging inside the walls. And we had very thin walls. Like where my bedroom was. The back window faced out to the woods, and there was nothing out there on the other side. There wasn't like another room that this could be happening. But I was starting to hear those things. A couple of times I woke up to a dark figure standing over my bed. And I've done a lot of research on this. I'm one
of those Okham's Razor kind of guys. No nonsense, it's show me the evidence. My cop brain kicks in and I say, could it have been night terrors? Sure, it certainly could have been in retrospect, but it didn't feel like it. And I still have this moment where I'm pretty sure that what I was seeing was real because I was awake. I would wake up see this thing, it would move off, and then I would end up grabbing some covers and going into my parents' bedroom and sleeping on their floor.
This went on for a month. They would wake up and find me at the foot of their bed sleeping in the room because I wouldn't sleep in my room. And like I said, there was a lot of things going on that was if you're into that sort of thing and you do any cursory research, they say prepubescent boys, which I was twelve thirteen, There was a lot of turmoil going on in the house. My parents were going through issues. My dad was dealing with drugs and alcohol abuse, and there was
just this whole, just tumultuous thing going on. And I don't know. They say that kind of energy may thrive on that stuff. I don't know,
but my dad also I figured out later. Again, now keep in mind, this guy liked alcohol and he was on downers most of the time, so I take this with a grain of salt, But he was also He confided in my mom later on that he would be there sometimes by himself when she would be gone, I'd be at school, whatever, and he was having interactions with something where he would hear voices and things like that.
So I wasn't the only one that was experiencing this kind of stuff and we had the history of the people that lived in the house that was well known in a very small town. Our town was like this, literally a caution light that was it. Caution light in a couple of stop signs, and that was it. So everybody knew everybody's business. And these guys were pretty
well known as as far as dabbling in that kind of stuff. And they lived in the house for a couple of years before we got there, So I don't know, but that was this weird stuff going on, and then once we moved out of the house after a couple of years, it stopped. It didn't follow me. So I don't know, wild Wild, I guess we could all be thankful that most of us could be thankful that's not happening to us. Yeah, it's not a good thing, that's for sure.
Well, I gotta ask, you said you were having bands and stuff like that. What kind of music do you like? I know it's a side thing, but I gotta know, I love all kinds of music, but I love country music. I was born and raised on country music. I sang country music. Still do like the good stuff, the classic stuff, or the new stuff. I don't really get into the I don't get it. Made a bunch of enemies by the way out there, but I did it up purpose. I'm probably going to join you in that because I
don't get into a lot of the new country stuff. I love the overproduced it's horrible. Yeah, I'm definitely like Johnny Cash old school. I did listen to Garth Brooks at Garth Brooks. I was a huge fan of Garth when he came out. Alan Jackson just the old school country is Charlie Daniel's band with some of my favorite stuff growing up. Hank Williams Junior, Hank Williams senior, Joe Jeff Walker. Yes, I was doing that at sixteen
and almost signed a record deal when I was sixteen. Life happens. Like I said, we were poor, so I had to go to work. It's always about work and helping my mom. What's my dad and my mom divorced. I was at work most of the time, so music fell by the wayside, and I've only gotten back into it in my adult life. I got to go to Tennessee about six or eight years ago, and I did a small album, look a little EP album and had some really good times up there. But I don't get to do music as much as I
would love to, because I'm constantly podcasting at this point. But feel you on that one. Well, I think I told you this when we're hanging out in Idaho, but I don't. I haven't said the story on the air. Charlie Parker, who was an obvious Even if you don't know who he is, you probably heard his name. He's genius of jazz saxophone basically bird Now, yeah, exactly, the Charlie Bird Parker. Everybody wanted to play like him and whatever. He was one of those guys like change music
fundamentally forever. Most modern music has can tip their hat to Charlie Parker in some sort of way or another, especially like metal and all that sort of thing. The metal is just a different version of bebop as far as I can tell. That's a simpler version of bebop with more distortion. But now, my duke, Charlie Parker was playing in the nineteen forties and stuff where the segregation was in full swing, Like black people in general just not get
their recognition. They weren't allowed to play. There's a bad situation for people of color during that time. Is terrible. So after gigs, they the musicians would maybe go to a bar and go drinking or something like that after
jamming in some small club all night. And I'm Charlie Parker would often be seen by his fellow black musicians with his head down on the jukebox, plug in the jukebox and playing country music and like his fellow musicians, we're saying, what in the world are you doing listening to that music, like the white music and stuff like what he and Charlie park will be crying with his head down on the jukebox, and his fellow black jazz musicians, we're going
like, what in the world. And Charlie was like, what's going on? And he would just go listen, man, listen to the stories. Man, listen to the stories. So Charlie Parker love that classic old early country music that they were playing in the nineteen forties because of the story. And of course, music is music at the end of the day. You can all you can add as many extensions on the chords as you want,
make it fancy, but it's still the same kind of stuff. But that's one of my favorite stories about crossover as far as what is palatable to various people. And the allure of kinds of music. And I will say that that early country music in particular about somebody shooting your dogs, sealing your wife, and wrecking your truck, those stories are fantastic and it's one of the big draws to me for that kind of music in general, but and apparently
to Charlie Parker as well. Yeah, it's an awesome story, man, And there's so many people that are influenced I think by that earlier country that we're losing that with a new generation that's coming up, the Conway Twitties and the Merle Haggards and George Jones that are leaving way too early year. There's just not any of that, in my opinion, coming up in the ranks in these days. So I'm not trying to this barefoot, puka shell beach
country whatever. Yeah, I'm right there withy Bobs there. We were on the air, and we were on that radio in Nashville. We were doing that talking to witnesses on the Nashville Ada and I was talking tons of smack about new country, how lame it was, and I said, I think Georgie, what was that the Georgia state line or Florida state line or whatever. Georgia, Florida, Georgia. Those guys lady Annabella, and I'm like, I can't stand that stuff. And yeah, they said they got a
couple of calls, and I'll screw that guy. I remember the operators and they got some calls like that. I remember one of your first comments about you meeting Derek Randalls. So I don't know about this guy with the big truck listening in the modern country, but it turns out he's okay. Yeah, there's always exceptions. Anyway, let's get back to the big foot things. So you bought this forty acres of property and hopes that sasquatches maybe around
there, and it turns out they are. You showed me some very impressive sasquatch footprints. As far as I can tell, tell us about the activity that's been on or near your property that you're aware of. Yeah, the weirdest thing is when we came up here for we came up from a one from Georgia for a one day land sale. We weren't even expecting to buy anything. We've just seen the property online and had some They did some drone
shots that made it look all pretty and great. And fabulous. We came up and we fell in love with the property that we initially bought that day. We bought the first twenty acres on the first day. We didn't get up here for a couple of years. After that. We'd make trips back and forth, and we had an old Volkswagon bus that we would camp in and just enjoy the property. And then the property next to us came open and we bought another twenty acres. We finally got up here. I guess
it was around twenty nineteen. Maybe we're fancying ourselves that we were going to build our own house, or at least convert our own house. So we found a local place here that it's basically a ship. It's forty feet long and about fourteen feet wide with a big sleeping loft in it, and we were going to live off grid and convert this into our house. We did live off grid here for about a year and a half with nothing but solar, no running water. It was one of the best years of my life.
I loved it, but I'm not a carpenter. We didn't have the skills to do that. So we eventually found a place here locally that would build us a tiny house. So we had a four hundred square foot tiny house built, and we eventually got up here full time just a couple of years ago. During the trips that we would take, we would go out and do night hikes and we would spend a couple of days on the property.
We were never here for an extended amount of time, and even the year that we lived off grid, I heard some weird things in the woods, but it wasn't anything that really stood out to me as possible Bigfoot activity. That didn't start literally until about two years ago, and the first time that had happened, we had a high right off of our deck and we were out. It's like midnight, it's like a cool fall evening, fifty degrees. We're in the hot tub having a glass of wine, and I
hear what sounds like the Ohio howl on the ridge behind us. Now we're surrounded by nothing but land. There's no neighbors within a half a mile of us, and behind us is another two hundred and fifty to three hundred acres of just woods is over the ridge behind where our property stops, and that's where the sound was coming from. And I'm like that is really strange. Did you know what THEA was at the time. I did. I'd heard it. I'd heard it because i'd started the show at this point and I'd
done some research and i'd heard that on the internet whatever. I'd looked it up and heard some of the sounds I'd had Ron Moore hit on. We'd talked about the Sierra sounds, and i'd had some folks here from the Yure National Forest nearby who had recorded. Julie Ranch had recorded a bunch of things and nothing really sounded like that, but it did sound closer than anything i'd heard, and it was really are off there right. It was probably a
mile and a half away. So that happened a couple of times, and I just chalked it up to that's weird. It could have been a Maybe it was a coyote, maybe as a wolf. I don't know, but I had done in episode of the show. I'd had an interview one night. It was pretty late and we're up in the loft getting ready winding down
and writing down some show notes whatever. It's about fifty degrees outside, so we slept with the windows open, and I opened up all the windows around the bed and just chilling, probably fifty yards into the woods next to the house. I hear what sounds like the ohio o howe with a bark on the end, like this little or at the end, and it scared the shit out of me. I'm not gonna lie, like it really scared me. And I felt it. I mean it was so loud we felt it.
It had to be forty fifty yards away. Like did you hear that? Yeah? I heard that. What do you think that was? I don't know, what do you think? So we're going through this and again a mancam's razor right, I'm like, it's probably I don't know. I didn't know what it was. So that was really the closest thing that happened. And then we didn't have any activity for a while. I was talking to Doug. I'd called Doug high check some and I'd tell him about some
of the things that were going on. And he's like, you heard wood knocks? No, do you have water on your property? Yes, there's two creeks that runs the entire length of the property. We start going down and he sounds like you may have some activity and I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen anything so fast forward. Just like literally a month ago. I had taken some time off from the show and we went on a hike, went to a different area of the property that we'd
never hiked before. And I wasn't even going to take my phone. I was literally just doing nothing big foot. It was just get out in the woods. Clear my mind. It was just Danny and I getting out into the woods, getting away. The last minute, I picked my phone up and I stuck it in my pocket. I'm like, if I've fallen break a leg or something and we get some service, we might need a phone. We really started finding some weird stuff. I was finding what looked like
structures, just weird things that we're sticking out to me. And I get to this certain point where this little dry creek bed had a little bit of water in it, still standing, and I went to cross over it and I looked down and I see what looks like this footprint, And it immediately jumped out to me like, oh, it's paradolia, right, It's just it looks like a footprint the way the water is glistening or whatever. So
I stopped. I'm gonna'll be a cool picture. I'm gonna take my phone out and take a picture of it, and I did, and as I got down to take the picture, I got closer and I saw what looked like five toes, and then I looked closer and it looked like the toes had sunk in a little further in the front than what looked like the back of the foot. So I snapped a couple of more pictures, and then
he was like, let's move on, let's go. I just moved on from it, and then we went on and found I took a bunch of pictures that day of full crumb type structures and things that were just stuck out to me in the woods, and I really didn't think much about the footprint until I got back and I sent it to a couple of people. I sent it. I texted it to Doug high Check and he looked at it
and he said, dude, that looks like a footprint. And then it started raining because we'd had rained up before that, so it rained for three more days. I couldn't get back to it to cast it. I knew it was gone, but at least I had the couple of pictures I had taken of it. And then just I don't know. Maybe two days after that, I'd never heard a tree knock on the property or anything that you'd
resembled a tree knock. And I got up at three in the morning to go out on the porch and do what guys do who live in the woods. At three in the morning, I hear what sounds like four power knocks back up on top of the ridge behind the house. Three in the morning. In Lenore, North Carolina, there's nobody up doing construction. They roll up the sidewalks in downtown, so I don't know what it could have been. It sounded to me like, like I said, what people describe as
power knocks, and then I don't know. We fast forward to about a week and a half after that. I'm walking the dogs around our regular trail around the property, a trail that we had walked just the night before after their evening feeding. There looked like smack dab in the middle of this muddy spot was a footprint, just one the proverbial one footprint. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back. After these messages,
I casted it, and the cast turned out pretty well. I was actually going to try to bring it to Idaho for you to look at Cliff and Meldrum to take a look at when we were out there. But I put it out on my porch to dry. I don't know. Two days into the drying process, it's in a box sitting outside on the porch. One of our chickens flies up on the porch and knocks the box over and cracks
it in three places. So it's been a comedy of errors. But I did put it back together because I'm going to try to make a sort of a reproduction of it with a mother mold. But it's definitely got five toes and it's about fourteen inches long and about seven and a half inches wide at its widest points. So I don't know. And just literally on Monday, I had some neighbors that are about a half a mile away invited us over for a hike because they were in town for the holiday. So we go
over and we've never hiked their property for they have. I think it's ten acres that goes up to the back of the ridge on the other side of our road. I find some of the strangest structures and weird bent trees and a big teepee structure. I posted it on my sasquatch Odosee Instagram for folks to take a look at if you want to look at that. I've never seen anything like it. It's clearly not a natural occurrence. Something has put those things in that. It looked like a teepee around this big tree.
So I don't know, just weird stuff. And I found a turtle shell or something I did. Actually, yeah, I'm glad you said that I skipped over that, but that was one of the first things that happened. Is along that path where we walk the dogs. That's the first thing that happened. Was this bleached white turtle shell is upside down and stuck into the side of this old rotting cedar log. It's a cedar stump. It started the whole ball rolling with me trying to gift, which I've never really given
too much credit. Honestly, I don't know about the whole gifting thing, but I had some things, take a couple of jars, a sun butter off. The stump. Never had anything left there, but things have been taken. But we have some really big raccoons here, so it was more than likely a raccoon but yeah, that was the first thing that happened. And then the footprints that I was back up on the ridge casting yesterday. The cast didn't turn out too great. It wasn't very The substrate here is
really hard. It hasn't rained in probably a week and a half, so just for there to be an imprint of what looks like a huge toe and one of the prints and this was a series of two that I found going down the side of this ridge and casting on an incline was not easy to do yesterday, but I did get a couple of casts of those. Like I said, it's about a half a mile away from my property, so I don't know. Some interesting things. Man, I never say definitively it
is what it is, but I don't know, it's weird stuff. It seems like this is a good time to interject that idea that I brought up a few times on the podcast, and it's just something to remind ourselves as big foot aficionados, is that casts very often don't turn out. That's why I'm really emphasizing everybody not only documents their fines or possible footprint fines with cast,
but also with photographs. Over the years, I find that sometimes they photograph far better than they turn out in the cast, and then vice versa. Sometimes you can't see what's going on in the photograph or even with your eyes at the time. Something's there. You pour plaster and it comes to
light in a way the data. It's almost like the data is skewed by all these wonderful photographs and casts that other people have obtained over the years, the Patterson stuff or the Tipmus stuff, or the Freeman stuff, or the Shay stuff. Like all these researchers who have been out and casting the best prints they could find, makes us think that our footprint casts should also look
like that, but they simply don't. If you're out there doing your diligent work as a researcher and casting examples of every track way you find and choosing the best ones out of that or the worst ones out of that, whicheveryone might show the most information and insight into the way that these things walk around. You're going to have a lot of ugly casts in your collection, casts that, as I say, only a mother can love. For you,
Brian, anybody else listening, is it. Don't beat yourself up about not having a good looking cast, because most casts aren't going to look good if they're real. That's something we need to remember. The photographs in the books and what we see online and things like that, they skew our perception of what the footprint cast will eventually look like. So good on you for collecting
the ugly ones too. I appreciate it that because I've got four the ugliest cast that I think I've ever seen in my life that I've taken, but they're staying in my collection. They are I say it all the time on my show. Everything is data, So I want to create as much data as I possibly can because we may look back on it in a year or two or five and say, wow, I'm glad I did that. So
I'm going to continue to collect whatever I find. Oh yeah, the information from the nineteen sixties and Bluff Creek, some of that information has been looked at very closely in the last twenty years, and things have been learned about those casts, for example, or the Freeman stuff. A lot of those up that Freeman was collecting. He didn't recognize that he was casting the same individuals, and neither did West Summerlin or Grover Crans for that matter. Grover
actually had suspicions about some of it. But they they gave different names to different creatures, and some of those names, like Earl, for example, is a name that they gave to one of these creatures that they continually cast, that is wrinklefoot, And they gave that an animal a different name, So wrinklefoot is Earl at which who is the what do they called the buckskin
individual? That's what West Summerlin called them. Yeah, so all these animals who they thought were different creatures were actually the same individual being seen again and again over time. So that's the great thing about data. It doesn't go away once you collect it. Once you have it, it's there forever, and it could be analyzed with new eyes as new information comes to light. You're absolutely right in that perspective. So a lot of stuff's been going on
your property or near your property. Have you gotten to other parts of the country and done any research, and if so, what have you found interesting and or similar or different than the various parts of the country. I haven't gotten to go out in the woods. I did go out in the woods in Tennessee last year. I went up to speak at a gathering up there, last year and we got out in the woods that night, didn't really find anything, heard some really cool coyote howls and things like that. But
I'm actually I have the opportunity. I'm going up in October. I'm going up to BC and the Radium area to do research with Todd standing and the beginning of October. I'm excited about that trip. I've been looking forward to that for a while. I know he's a very controversial figure in the big Foot community, but I'm looking forward to that trip because i want to get up there's I've interviewed tons of people who have been on expeditions with Todd,
and some of the things that they're claiming to find is phenomenal. And I've actually had Todd on the show and talked about that as well. But I've always had issues. I've been very forthcoming about my issues with his videos. But the footprints and the other things that have been found up there, and I even got to talk to doctor Meldroun when we were in Idaho about his time up there and some of the things that he saw convinced him that it's
very possible there's some activity going on. So I'm definitely looking forward to that trip in October. Oh, he's not a great spot. There's definitely squatches there. Yeah. Ken Walker I think told Bendernoggle about if it's the same spot, ken Walker, who we've had on this show the taxit was to say, yeah, I have to heard about this spot from one of his trappers, and then he told Bendernoggle, and Bendernoggle told test Standing when Standing
approached him, this is how I've heard it happened. I don't know if that's true or not about the spot. So they're working a good spot. It's just we had Todd Standing on the show on the Finny big Foot. I don't think his films are real. It's just my opinion, of course, But he was a very nice guy. I'll give him that. I'd like the guy the individual. I just didn't think, like those face shots are real or anything like that, But who knows. If he's working a
spot and getting good results, fine with me. I'd like to see some of the footprint cast so those would be most convincing. Yeah, I'm definitely going to try to take some casting material. I've got some audio stuff i'm gonna take for the trip, and I'm gonna try to get some videos and do some interviews while I'm there with I think it's just going to be me and Todd and maybe Kyle that go out, So there's only going to be a small number of us. There's not gonna be a whole lot going on
other than what we're doing. So I'm definitely looking forward to it. So you've had him on the show a couple of times or once at least, right, Yes, Yeah, generally nice guy, right or he certainly puts forth a good face. I'll say that he sings of the songs, he seems to know something about sasquatch behavior or in general. What has he been doing lately? I haven't heard anything since like he put out, But that thing with Meldrum and Benner Noggle is so he's running trips now, is that
right? Yeah, he's been doing that for a while, and he's working on a second documentary. I know they've been filming for that for quite a while. I don't know when that's supposed to come out. I know he's been putting that together, at least that's what he told me for quite some time. And he is doing during the summer. He's doing quite a few expeditions pretty much a couple of month. I think that he has a ton of people going out with him. Again, I'm with you. I had
him on the show. Very nice guy. I just don't believe the videos are real. And the only reason he came on my show, because I've called him out as a hoax or for years, was me having less strout on the show. Once I had Survivor man on him, we actually talked about Todd because he had spent time I'm with Todd in his research area. Then Todd decided he would come on the show, and to his credit, he defended himself and he answered the questions that I had. I had some
tough questions about it. I think the thing for me with his films has always been what happened before that, what happened after that, what happened leading up to that. I'm certainly wanting to have that conversation with him face to face. He may tell me to go pound Sam, but I'm definitely going to ask the questions to want to get up there because I would love for them to be real. I'm just not sure that they are. But I've
never doubted that he's had experiences and that he's in an area. I too, have had Ken walk around the show, and Ken had talked about that area and all the sightings that have happened in that area. So I believe just like you and Bobo said, I think he's in a great area. I think he's probably having and maybe even continues to have experiences. I'm just not sure about the videos that he purports to be Sasquatch. Yeah he did.
When I met him, I'm fighting Bigfoot. He invited me to go to a spot with him, but he also told me that in order to get there, I'd have to crawl through ice cold water wearing a gilly suit for three days in order to get there, which seemed like a really nice way to make sure I wouldn't do it. But yeah, that's just my take on it. Maybe he's right. Maybe that's what you have to do, and that's why I happened I had better results, But I don't know,
I don't know. I also asked them, why does it look like a muppet, and he says, I don't know. I guess that's what they look like as I don't know about it. Whatever, whatever, I I hope you gets some good stuff. It would be nice to see some good evidence come out of any of these areas, certainly, and God knows, we get asked about todd Sanding all the time. If you want to know what we think about Todd Sanding, you can watch the Finding Bigfoot episode
that he's on. Brian, you have, God, you have more podcasts than I would wish upon anybody. You must have heard some crazy stories, especially the true crime podcast and Weird Encounters. That kind of says it all, That says everything you need to know about the podcast. You must have
had some ridiculous stories. Can you stick around for a member section so we can hear some of these ridiculous and when I say ridiculous like wild out there sort of stories not only about SaaS watches, but anything else that you've been running across, whether it's paranormal strange activity or true crime stuff or whatever. Do you have some stories that come to mind that we can talk about in our remember section? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, There's tons that come to
mind that I've documented over the years. There's one you guys mentioned Bigfoot and Coyotes earlier. One of my favorite early episodes is entitled Bigfoot Hunts with Coyotes one of my favorite stories ever. I'll be glad to share that one with you guys. Okay, yeah, if you don't wouldn't mind sticking around for a member section. It'd really appreciate it, and we'll record that next.
But in the meantime, Brian, where can people find you? This is your time to shout your podcast from the mountaintop and websites or in social media or whatever you want. You can get Sasquatch Odyssey anywhere you're listening to this podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it, it's there. All you got to do is punch in Sasquatch Odyssey it'll pop up. You can head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can see all
the shows there. Check out all the hosts of the various shows. I'm not the only one on the network, Like I said, we out of a couple of other podcasts that people host that are a part of our network. So Paranormal War Productions dot com and all the socials as Sasquatch Odyssey on Instagram, as Sasquatch Odyssey podcast on TikTok. We have a Sasquatch Odyssey podcast YouTube channel as well that I post stuff over. So that's about it.
Anywhere you get podcasts, you could listen to the show. We put out a show. I'm doing three shows a week now typically, so tons of things. I think we're about three hundred and forty or so episodes into the show, okay, And a lot of those links are going to be in our show notes below for those people listening venus click on that stuff. Matt Prut makes it easy for you with that. Brian, thanks so much for coming on big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, and we'll stand the
line. Of course, we're gonna go over to our member section and record that for our fabulous Patreon members. We really appreciate your time. Brian, Thank you, you had a blast. I appreciate you. They say you don't gotta go home your castay us trying to try that chime everything. Call it right back right back to my joy for me, your stay right down, call it right away. Days about bout talking about talking about the games and uses us usses