SO EP:369 Discovering Bigfoot

Hey, everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oddis. Hey guys, welcome back to Sasquatch Odds. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Sunday. I hope you guys have had a great weekend. You have an amazing show line Deft for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me at Brian at

Paranormal World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I have been holding on to this audio from an interview that I did over on the Discovering Bigfoot podcast with Kyle fur. I think this was done like last August, so it's over a year old, but I thought it was very fitting because as you listen to this right now, I am literally in Canada with Kyle and Tide standing up in the Radium, BC area starting our expedition. This

was a really cool conversation. We talk about plenty of things other than Tide standing, but we certainly get into the tide standing conversation about some of the videos, but we talk about all kinds of things with Bigfoot. Kyle was a really good host of this show. He's very into it if he's very intelligent when it comes to big Foot stuff, and I really enjoyed this conversation

and I think you guys will as well. That said, I'm going to remind you once again, if you haven't already, please find that Bigfoot Podcast and whatever podcast app you're listening on right now to Sasquatch Odyssey and follow that show. Hit the automatic download, subscribe, whatever the button is for whatever podcast app you're listening on, because Wayne and I are going to drop those first five episodes on Friday, October thirteenth, so you definitely don't want to

miss that. It's going to be a really really cool show. It's definitely different than anything you've heard on Sasquatch Odyssey, So make sure you go follow that show now. You can listen to the teaser over there, give us a rating and review. We'd love to have you listening to the show. You can also follow that show on Instagram at that Bigfoot Podcast. But for now, I'm gonna let the music play and we're gonna get into this Discovering

Bigfoot interview with Kyle. I hope you guys enjoy it, So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. How's it going, everybody? Welcome to the Discovering Bigfoot Podcast. I'm your host, Kyle, and today we have another awesome, amazing special guest. We have Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey podcast and today we're just gonna hit some basics and see what he thinks about Todd and his videos. Thanks for coming on the show. Absolutely, man, I'm glad to be here. I appreciate it all help you've given me with my

podcasts and all that other stuff. Yeah, so what made you want to do podcasts? Where did that come from? I've always done some kind of entertainment. I sing in bands when I was a kid, and I turned down a record deal when I was like sixteen, so I was used to doing some kind of entertainment. It was typically in front of a crowd, so I guess it made some kind of sense for me to do something along these lines eventually. But I started listening to podcasts just a couple of years

ago. I'd never listened to podcast in the Past, and somebody turned me on to Sasquatch Chronicles, So I started listening to Wes and his show, and I liked what he was doing, and I was always interested because I had experiences in the past that I couldn't explain, so I was trying to

find information and knowledge as much as I possibly could about bigfoot sasquatch. So I thought, why don't I just start looking for people in the area that I grew up in in the southeast Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, those areas and see who's had encounters and maybe try to document some of those. So that's what I did. The first couple of shows that

I ended up doing were local shows to me here in North Carolina. I was born and raised in Georgia and I've been in North Carolina for about four years now, and the very first show that I ever did was a roadside crossing story that this guy had an encounter in North Carolina, and it just grew from there. So I guess the short answer to the question would be I just started listening to podcasts and I thought that's something I should probably try

to do, and the rest is history. Here I am, so we'll cut you onto like just Bigfoot, how come you didn't go into aliens or doing strictly alien stuff for anything like that, because there's a thousand different topics out there, like why big Foot? Did you have an encounter of that that's worked that off for Yeah, when I was about twelve years old. I've told this story on my show a couple of times another podcast as a

guest. It's a really boring story. Really. I'm twelve years old, I'm out squirrel hunting and the foothills in North Georgia and I get paced out of the woods by something. I don't know what it was. I could here this huffing, this growling, this bluff charging kind of stuff that was going on. I never saw anything, but it started with that feeling of the hair standing up on the back of your neck and you just know, and I'm not supposed to be here. It's time for me to go.

And at twelve years old, you get spooked in the woods, but it's in the middle of the day, right, there's nothing to be spooked about. Well, when I got that feeling, I knew something wasn't right. And then it started escalating with the huffing and the growling, and it didn't sound like anything that I had ever heard before. It heard just about everything there was to hear in the woods. At that point, I'd heard her deer. I'd heard just about everything there was and it didn't sound like anything

I'd ever heard before. And then the bluff charging started and I thought, yeah, it's time to go, So I hauled asked back to the house and then jumping over the barbed wire fence. I didn't tell anybody about it. I didn't tell my mom about it, and we lived in a haunted house at the time, So I had all kinds of like paranormal experiences going

on. And fast forward to sixteen, I saw UFO. So I had these experiences, but the one thing that really stuck out to me was that experience when I was twelve and the possibility that there was something out there that was undiscovered in the woods. Because I grew up in North Georgia and I heard so many stories growing up about people who had experiences with the big Foot in Sasquatch. Unlike UFOs, people didn't talk about living in haunted houses.

People didn't talk about living in places where they saw UFOs or had alien abduction experiences, but jensing hunters would come down off the mountains and talk about the boogers and the big Foot and the Sasquatch and things that they were seeing. So I grew up with that being then accepted thing in the area. So

I guess that's what really sparked my interest in that. And of course I've since started a paranormal podcast, and I do a paranormal podcast in addition to the Sasquatch stuff, but that has always been and will probably be my main focus when it comes to cryptids and the weird stuff. Now do you think it is that because it's more tangible and maybe because it's more physical than the paranormal and the UFO stuff. I think it is because it's something that could

possibly be there, Right, I've seen a UFO. I don't know if there was a little green man or a little gray man flying this ship that I saw. Pretty sure it wasn't one of ours. Pretty sure it was

from somewhere other than here, but I can't prove that, right. I was just watching a documentary before we hopped on here for some research I'm doing for another show, and they're talking about all of the discovery that's going on, and I've learned things just watching this documentary that I didn't know I had went on with the government disclosure and how deep it's really gone with them admitting

that we may be visited by creatures from another world. But even at that, it's very difficult to prove that until they land on the White House lawn and say hey, here we are. It's going to be difficult to prove that. But the possibility that there's some sort of upright relic hominoid maybe roaming the woods in North America, seems a little more plausible to me. I know people probably think that's crazy, but it seems a lot more plausible to

me. And I think it's something that can be proven with science, and that's why I try to have a scientific approach when I researched the subject and when I have conversations with people about it. So do you think it's going to be when it comes down to actually proving the species? Do you think it's going to have to come down to a body beat out or taken? I do, I definitely do. I've said that plenty of times on the show. I don't want to be the guy who goes out and pulls the

trigger. But it's going to take that. Because I just remastered one of my shows. You and I were talking about that before we came on the air. I'm going back and doing some of the remastering of some of my early shows that really sucked when I didn't know how to podcast, and I'm predoing the interviews where it's actually listenable, so the audio is much better than what it was initially. And today I did the Ron moorehead episode. It

was like episode seven of my show. It's one of the things that Ron and I talked about was what's it going to take to prove that these things are real and that they exist? And we talked about DNA evidence. He's a big proponent of some of the DNA evidence that Melba Ketcham did quite a while back. That's a pretty controversial thing in the bigfoot community. I'm not even sure where I stand on it, to be honest with you. I've seen the breakdowns and I think there was a lot of mistakes made there,

but ultimately DNA is not going to be enough. I could go out and find DNA in my backyard tomorrow and send it off to some lab and then come back and say it's unknown DNA, or it's part neandertal and part Homo florensiensis, or whatever the case may be. It's still not going to prove the existence of sasquatch in and of itself. There has to be a specimen, possibly two, that science can say, Okay, this is what it is. Now let's go find the rest of them and study the behaviors and

do the Jane Goodall thing and see what they're all about. That's fair enough, But I have an argument for you. So when scientists or even just people in general want to discover new species, Let's say in the Amazon someone saw one. Let's say it's a certain tiger with a different set of stripes. It looks a little bit different. Right, In our knowledge of animals, we have people who are specialty at tigers and especially with lions, especially

with monkeys. They know the footprints, they know how they're gonna habituate, they know what they're eating, they know all that stuff, they know where they're going to be. So if we have people out there like Todd standing like me, like everyone in our cooperation, and also everybody out there that is doing the same thing trying to habituate with a troop. If you know where they're going to be, you have the money backing you to send side

to sin there with the correct film proponents. When they go into the Amazon to look for these animals, they find the footprints, they find the sign, they find the habitat, and they sit there for weeks on end until they get a picture and it's an HD quality like un like justifiable completely. It can't be fake. This is the real animal. We have a picture of it, we have footprint evidence of it, we have what they're eating. It's all legit. Now they're through in the book their species. Why

can't we do that with sasquash. Why can't we send a couple of true, legitimate wildlife biologists with guides such as Todd Standing or me or whoever else into an area where they're known to be, where we have footage of them previously, where we can go in and just sit. If it takes two three weeks, it shouldn't be an issue to make that happen. And that's why I don't stand behind killing one, because I don't think we necessarily need

to. I think we can send in the team that has had interactions with this true prior, and the troop is comfortable with them. And if they sit there, hopefully long enough, and they have the financials backing to pay these people and all that other stuff, that we'll be able to just get that HD picture and we'll have the footprint evidence on file because I'll have all that. That's what they do when they go to the Amazon to look for these animals. Why can't we do that with sasquatch? All right, I'm

gonna throw your argument back at you. Haven't we already done that? Hasn't Todd Standing done that, interacted with the troop, found footprints, documented their eating and movement habits, and he has HD quality video of numerous specimens. So why isn't that enough? Because it just wasn't with the right people, thought standing. Nobody knew him, nobody knew who he was, nobody knew his knee, nothing, and then all of a sudden you threw out these

videos into the Internet. And I think because he didn't have maybe Jeff Meldrum out there with him, or people out there who had a big enough name, a trusted name, a well known name, and had the right camera equipment, or even the right training to go out there with him and back what he said and back his footage and have someone sign off on his stuff.

Jeff did later on. But to have that experience and to have those pictures come from a wildlife biology, Like if Jeff Meldrum went out on the woods and got footage or an HD picture that was his own, it'd be a done deal. Yeah, I tend to agree with it. I threw that back just for fun really, because it's not really a fair question. I totally get what you're saying. Sure, if Jeff Meldrum took a team of people out or even some of the people from North American would ape conservancy.

Some of those guys or even Kathy Strains people out there that are in the community, that may have a little bit of a different standing, you know, pun intending in the community, if they had a little different standing in the community, then I think it would be taken more seriously. So sure, I think to your point, I think that is a possibility,

and it would be enough if somebody took it seriously enough. But that's a whole another ball of wax to get into, right, is why isn't science doing that with all of the evidence that we have to date that science should

be taken this seriously. You have done entire shows where I've read scientific papers and talked about this scientific paradox that we have around sasquatch and why it's not being taken seriously in the scientific community, and why there's only a couple of names that we can drop that even add any validity to it, like the Jeff Meldrums and the late John binder Noggle and some of those people that took this very seriously. Grovercrantz comes to mind. And until that actually happens,

it's never going to happen. So I guess I say that a specimen has to be collected because that's the only way it's going to get done in this current climate. Now, sure, if things change, You're absolutely right, a team could go out and spend three or four weeks and get it done and all be all proof could be obtained. But until that happens with science, the only way to prove it is going to be with a specimen. I'll agree to disagree with you on that. That's fine, but let's get

a little bit of a rapp hole there. I'm curious about that. So obviously running your podcast, you had to have had some emails coming from an unknown or coming from someone that said, don't mention my name. This is what happened. I was told not to say anything. I don't want to lose my career. Are you comfortable getting into that a little bit maybe talking about some of those crazy stories. Sure. And I haven't had as many of those as I've actually had people on the show that have talked about.

There was one guy in particular that had some really wild stories several episodes back, that had an encounter with sasquatch and then was visited on the side of the road by what he described as men in black that told him that's not what he saw. He needed to stop talking about what he saw and those kind of things. And I've had other people that have had similar experiences where they've had visits from folks. And I got into this a little bit with

Ron moorehead. I'll go back to that. I listened to that episode today, so it's fresh on my mind. We talked a little bit about the government conspiracy thing, and I've had people bring that up to me over and over again during the course of doing this show. And I'm a huge conspiracy theory. There's tons of conspiracy theory books next to my bed. I'm reading one or just finished one called The Inheritance on the Whole JFK Assassination Conspiracy.

Right, So I'm all about a good conspiracy theory. Here's the problem or the rub for me with Bigfoot. I've always had this issue with why why is there a conspiracy? Why would the government be covering up? And I used to think my theory was in the beginning, it's got to do with the forestry industry, right, and all the things and all the money that

generates. And of course let's not forget the national parks break in tons and tons of money and donations and other things throughout the year for the government and keep those things open. I think it has a little bit more to do with after having a conversation with people like Ron's theory is it's more about what it would do as far as disrupting our known science. Not think about that

for a second. If the government came out tomorrow, or if somebody came out tomorrow and proved that Sasquatch and Bigfoot was a real thing, not just the phenomenon. We're talking about the actual creature is real. If that happened and we started looking at Darwinism, what we know about evolution, what we know about the dinosaurs and the Neanderthals and all of our ancestors that came before us. What if these things turn out to be a haman In and we're

coexisting alongside a haman Nin. We're not talking about a relic tominoid. We're talking about an actual haman Nin that is so much closer to us. On this bushy tree that we came from, we had no idea. So what if that happens, and then you get into religion. Let's not even talk about religion and what people think about that and how that would turn everything on its ear. So I think it has a lot more to do with that, maybe than just the forestry industry and just the money. But is it

possible there's a conspiracy theory out there. I don't think everybody that's brought that up to me in the past is crazy. I think they've had some of those experiences. And there's been people that have changed their name that have come on the show first name, and some of the states are even different.

Most of the listeners that will be new for people on my show, I don't really make that a big deal, but a lot of people I say tons, but it's probably been two dozen over the course of one hundred and

eighty plus shows. They have asked me not to say they're real and really where they're from because they are afraid of losing their job or some kind of repercussions, not necessarily from the government in particular, some of them are government employees, so that does play a part, but it's more related to being looked at as a nut job and then this actual conspiracy I think to suppress what's really going on. I share your opinion on that too. And so

I grew up the logging industry. My whole family, my father's side was or loggers. That's what I did growing up. So I understand that logging aspect of it because there's a lot of money involved in it. And when you're talking about supply for a country coming out of let's say Canada produces eighty percent and I probably am wrong about that number, but let's say they produce eighty percent of the lumber for US. Now, if we cut that in

about half, let's say, if Sasquatch comes out as real tomorrow. That's a huge issue for them because not only are losing out on trillions of dollars, they have to now pull out from their logging areas because now they are a hominen, they have land rights, which weaves, fish and wildlife is

going to have to get involved. They're gonna have to figure out everything that we've already done the research on and set up perimeters and have fifty sixty seventy seventy five mile radius that's now untouchable because it is a likely habitat of sasquatch. Stay tuned for more sasquat joalicy wing right back after these messages. That's a huge number of logging industries that are just gonna get destroyed and go out of business because of that. So obviously the money gets tax off that the

government ain't gonna let that slide. And I think that's one of the main reasons it's getting covered up is because of the tax revenue from that. And also, like you said, with Darwinism and with evolution, that's going to be a big shocker to a lot of people religious and not because there's this line, there's this branch on this tree that previously is unknown and has never been known, and now we have to fit it in somewhere, and that tree as is pretty full. Where are we going to put that? How

does it fit? How are we going to live with that? Knowing that you can go to Damp National Park and possibly have an encounter with one of these people aren't going to want to go out and go camping in remote areas. They're not gonna want to go horseback riding on twenty mile trails out in the backwoods of the Rockies. They're going to lose a lot of money too, So I get that, but it's still not okay because I believe they're

homini. I believe they're more involved than we are, and we need to figure this out the right way so that it doesn't end up like the Indians, where they have tiny ass little reserves after two hundred years and we phase them out. That's not okay. I don't want to do that. That's not right, that's not just we shouldn't have to do that kind of stuff. Yeah, I think it's all just kind of money right now, and until the right time comes, or the right person comes and has undeniable proof

of it, we won't know how that's going to affect everybody. I've heard stories, and I've listened to other podcasts that have had stories on there about government employees coming on and taking out families of Sasquatch in certain areas. We've all heard those stories. Some of them im improven. I think it's hoaxes, and some of them are still out there. As make of it what you will. I do think that some of those things that probably happened,

and I do think the government knows something about these things. I've said this so many times on my show. I was in government employee for sixteen years. You would be surprised the ship that the government doesn't know. Everybody expects that everybody who's in charge knows everything that is not entirely accurate. Okay, So even on a say, a municipality level, when you're talking about like the city of Atlanta, I used to be a city of Atlanta cops.

So the city of Atlanta is a huge metropolitan city, the left hand very rarely never knew what the right hand was doing. So when you talk about you're going out into the federal government that type of size entity, there's so many things that so many people don't know so yes, are they aware. I'm sure that they're a sasquatch out there. Have they probably sent teams out

to kill them in the past, probably? So did they take the time to do the research and the science and recover the specimens and maybe they know more about what they are than we do? Is that possible? Sure? But I don't think there's some vast, huge governmental inspiracy theory to keep this under wraps. In my opinion, I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. I just don't think it's as vast as some people think. I think they do probably know more than you are, high, but that may

not be saying a whole lot at the end of the day. Yeah,

no, I agree with you there. I know that Todd had an experience with something along those lines happening, and I don't know if he talks about it on the show, and I don't want to talk about it now because I'd rather come from him on the show, But I will bring that up next time I have him on. But I wanted to get your idea and your opinion on that because obviously I have my thoughts on it, and being that you have a lot more influence and a lot more followers than I do

right now. You would have some stories on that too, so thank you for sharing that. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, So when we talk about the UFOs and stuff like that too, I've noticed that a lot of people are having hand in hand kind of encounters with a UFO sightings or orbs and stuff like that following or before a sasquatch en counter that they've had. And I had Caitlyn on the show too, and she talked about hers, and I had that happen with me. I didn't see the ORB, but my

dad saw one. And I said on my first podcast with Todd, my dad is my rock or actually know that was a podcast with you. My dad's my rock. My dad is my hero. He's Superman. He has no reason to come up with stuff like that at all. And it wasn't in my category of thoughts until I woke up that next morning and he said I saw an ORB. I was like, okay, all right, this

is this needs to be talked about and brought up and figured out. And like I said before, with the government conspiracies in your opinion, are you starting to see that change too, where we're getting into UFOs and all this other paranormal stuff is starting to become hand in hand with sasquatch. Yeah.

This so many people that I've talked to over the course of doing the show that have had multiple encounters with different things that they can't explain, whether it be orbs, or whether it be strange lights in the sky, or even seeing craft before daring and sometimes after sasquatch encounters. And I initially I never poopooed any of that because I've had some of those experiences myself, So I can't say you're crazy because you saw a UFO or you saw a strange light

at the same time, I was putting them into boxes. That's what my cop brain does, is that's got to go in a box over here, that goes over here. But the more I talk to people, the more it seemed that everything, in some way, a way I don't know yet, is somehow connected. And people have told me that so many times on

the show. Everything is connected. So I used to instead of saying right now, instead of saying, yeah, you're seeing these lights, and you're seeing these orbs on your property and you're having this sort of habituation situation with a sasquatch. That's just a lot of weird stuff going on, but it has nothing to do with the other. Right, I'm more in the vein of now trying to connect those dots. I still haven't been able to do

that. I don't know what it means. I don't know why Caitlin had this incident where she had this or following her and her mother and then she has a bigfoot account and she saw the identical sasquatch exactly, and she has this thing where it's possibly this sort of mental connection of this mind speaks sort of situation with this bigfoot, and then she sees it. It's real, It's right there in her face. I don't know what that means, and

I don't think anybody does. Obviously, everything we're talking about it and any of this stuff is really speculation. But I don't know how it couldn't be connected in some way at this point now, I don't know what that means. I don't know if it means that bigfoot is somehow more than just a flesh and blood creature, because I'll tell you, five days out of seven,

I think they're just a flesh and blood creature. I think they're more along the lines of some sort of like tominoid, or like you said, maybe even possibly a hominy in. I don't know, but I lend most of the experiences that I've documented to just being a flesh and blood creature that eats and poops and procreates just like we do and any other animal on Earth. But when you get into some of these other experiences like mind speak, well, I had less stride on the show he talked about that I know

other people have had on the show. I've had other experiences where they've seemed to have had some sort of mind speak or telepathic communication with these things, or they frankly disappear. And I used to say that's more of an environmental thing. It was a lighting thing. It's very easy to disappear in the woods. I'm pretty good in the woods. I can go out, and

I'm pretty stealthy. And if I was playing around with somebody and I wanted to really disappear, I could really make you feel like you're crazy, and I could blend in with my surroundings fairly easily. And I'm a bumbling human being and I don't live out there. I live in a house. So if these things are part of their environment, they could do that easily without actually physically disappearing. So I used to think that was more of an environmental

thing. It was a light thing. Maybe their hair was the funny lighting, and it looked like they disappeared. But the more you talk to people that say, no, this thing disappeared, and then you get into the trackways. Right. I used to think when people would talk about seeing this trackway that was in the middle of a field and there's snow on the ground and there's forty fifty sixty sets of footprints and then they just disappear in the

middle of a field. How does that happen? I have an explanation of that? Please tell me. I want to know they walk backwards in their own tracks. See, that's where my mind goes, right. I think these things are intelligent. Maybe they're aware of leaving their tracks like some other animals that we know that are probably far less intelligent than something like a relic, tominoid or another hominan would be. Other animals do that, and nature

we know that we've seen it has been documented. But if that's not the explanation, what about the single two or three footprints? And then that's it? Right? You have those two. I used to joke, what would fall out of the sky on a pogo stick? And then it disappeared? Like how does that happen? So I said all that to say, there's a possibility in my mind that there is a lot more that are connected to these and you talk to people again, like, I'll go back to Kaitlin.

I just talked to her last night and she doesn't want to talk about some of the things that happened to her in her experience because she's afraid that people think she's a nut job because she felt or had this connection mentally with this creature. And I told her, I was like, look, don't ever be afraid to tell your full story because it's dat no matter what people think, no matter what people's opinion is, no matter what caused that.

We don't know. She doesn't know. I don't know, maybe the Bigfoot that you had the connection with nose, but we can't have that conversation. But it's still data. We have to take that data and be serious about taking the data and saying, Okay, I'm going to add this to the pile and maybe after so many times we have these conversations with people, we can put enough of that data together to maybe get to an answer. But as it stands now, I think it's connected. I don't know what those

orbs mean. I don't know what the lights mean, and I certainly don't know what the UFOs and the alien connection seems to mean to these things, because there may be more than we know is going on. Yeah, I agree with you there, and collaborate a little bit more on that with the

mind speak and the esp and stuff like that. And for anybody out there listening, the cooperation with Todd and I'm sure with a few other groups out there that are also starting to phase into the spiritual side of sasquad researcher, there's a lot more people out there that have had experiences that there are and aren't willing to come out and talk about them because of that very reason. But don't want to look crazy. I'm gonna understand we're on the sasquash subject.

There's already a little bit of craziness in the world about that. But you're right, it is data. And for anyone listening, if you do have that crazy story out there, you might have the Rosetta stone that's gonna put the lid on all this because there could be that little bit of information that you just don't want to say that maybe two or three other people had that don't want to say. Also, that could be that could be the answer to all of this. We don't know. We already don't know enough.

So the more data we have the better. And even if it is crazy and it is a one off thing, it's still out there. And if it happens against it, yeah, we know that's unknown. We know that they do that. We know that they they've known to be in the area of that spot or I can't even say what it could be, what it couldn't be, but that data is this is important as you describing what it's looking like when it runs across the road in front of your cart night.

Every little detail matter. So please anybody out there listening or watching that little detail, please come forward and share that. We have to put it somewhere. It has to be involved somehow, and if we don't share that, we're just putting ourselves further behind in the research and that doesn't do good for anybody. Yeah, I definitely agree. I've had people on the show

that we're afraid to share parts of their encounter. Again, I'll go back to the I keep going back to Ron moorehere, but it's all fresh on my brain because I just did that show today. I told Ron about a

story that happened early on in the show. This man and this woman went out to enjoy a nice evening out at this local park where they were at and they were like eating some cheese and crackers and sitting there and then they hear this crashing through the woods and here comes this amazing sasquatch encounter that they had. This thing was huge, it was running across this field and during the interview, the guy was telling me that it was being chased by a

mountain lion. And I remember when he told me that I make notes when I'm talking to people all the time, and I made this note, Okay, the sasquatch was being chased by something, and then he said it was a mountain lion and he just grazed over and he went on and he went into a very detailed description because it were fairly close to the sasquatch that they saw. So I went back to it and I said, man, I'm just amazed that I've never heard anybody tell me a story about a big foot

that was a afraid of anything and being actually chased by something. This thing was running away from another creature, and I just thought that was really wild. And he said, yeah, it was this mountain lion. And his whole encounter took fourteen minutes. It was one of those really quick encounters, and he was very succinct. And we ended the interview, and at the end of the interview, I said, we talked like we always do when I close out a show, I spend extra time with the guests and talking.

I said, man, I just can't believe that this big foot was running from a mountain lie and he was like, yeah, I didn't want to say it on the air, but this mountain line that was chasing this big foot was about six times the size of a normal mountain line, and I just said, what, it was huge, And he did not want to tell me that on the air, and I actually ended up reaching out to him later on, and I did a follow up interview I think,

or a follow up show, like two or three shows later. I think with the rest of the story that I just shared with the audience because with his permission, because I thought it needed to be told, because he was so afraid that people would think he was crazy if he said that on the air. Now he's talking about seeing a big foot run across a field, but he didn't want to tell me that it was being chased by this mountain line that was six times bigger than a regular mountain line, because he thought

people would think he's crazy and wouldn't believe the story. So just things like that, how do you reconcile that. I don't know how that happens. I don't know how you have a mountain line that big. Where did it come from? So? Where did it go? How does it exist? How does the Sasquatch exist? I don't know. But it's again, it's data right because that story in and of itself has had to take a step back and say, does that mean that these things maybe interdimensional? Maybe they're

coming in and out of this realm somehow? Because I don't know how other people wouldn't see a mountain line gets pretty big. But you're talking four to six times. I mean we were talking about it maybe a five to six hundred pounds give or take mountain line. Now think about that for a second. Think about a five or six hundred pound beer that's a huge bear. Right, So we're talking about a mountain line the size of a five or six hundred pound bear chasing a big foot across a field. I don't know

how that happens. But that's just one of those little examples of people not sharing information because they think people are gonna think they're crazy. But again, it's just another bit of data to add to the hopper. That usually leaves me with more questions than answers, But again, it's still important and I think it needs to be told. Now we presumably know what sasquatch are frado, which is a first on the list, A six hundred pound mountain lion.

I think I would probably be running from a six hundred pound mountain lion. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. That's crazy. That's definitely bizarre. But that's what I meant stuff like that. Man, I wish I was there because I would went over and looked at those footprints. Could you imagine having a picture of perfect sasquatch trail running and then these huge mountain lion tracks running behind it. Oh my god, Yeah, it would be great.

And I don't remember. I'm horrible with that. I don't remember exactly it was out west. I think it was in California or somewhere in that area. I don't remember the circumstances or if it would even been possible for them to go and take a look at tracks, because that's usually a question that I ask. But he's on this date with this girl, it's like their first date, and he was more concerned about her not thinking he was crazy and him not thinking she was crazy. So they saw the same thing kind

of thing. But yeah, I mean, if you're able to go and take a look at that, I would imagine that would have been something else to definitely something else to see. Now that we're on the topic of crazy things to seat, let's talk about Todd Stanning's documentary and his footage because it's my job. So being that you see his footage, and obviously I'm an advocate for him and his footage, what are your impressions of it? What

was your first thought's watching it? My first real exposure to his footage was in the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, and I've since gone back and tried to look at some of the other footage on I think it's some of it's on Lessa's YouTube channel. In other places, but the majority of what I saw, and the first exposure I had to it was on the Discovering Bigfoot documentary.

So the first time I watched it, I walked away and thought I was blown away by the fact that this guy has caught possibly the best images that we will ever see of a big foot. That was my first impression. I thought, either he is one hundred percent caught the best images will ever see outside of the Patterson Gimbling film, or he's one hundred percent full of shit and this is all faked. That was the only two places I could

come down at that point. I've since watched the documentary, I have to admit, probably ten times since then, just as recently as maybe a week ago. I was scrolling through and I saw it and I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna watch it again. Every time I watched it, it pushed me further and further from believing that it was real. I have to be honest, and I tell you why. I've said this plenty of times on the show. I operate by the Doug high Check three second

rule, and I think you and I have talked about this before. When I see footage, usually within the first three seconds, I get that spidy sense of whoa that looks real or whoa that looks one hundred percent fake? To me? And the more I've watched the footage outside of the one video where there was a Sasquatch figure, I mean, I don't know what the video numbers are or what footage it is, but there's that one where this thing is it stands up on the side of this heill and then it runs

up this very vertical side of the bridge or this mountain. So that to me seems to be the most credible if that's the word video that I've seen that he's put out. The rest of them just do not stand up to the three second rule for me, because three seconds and I'm like, yeah, that doesn't look right now. I will say this before you even get

into it. I will be the first to admit I think part of that problem is, and I've talked about these kind of people on my show before, if it looks too good to be true, we all think that it is because we're used to bly squatches and these really grainy, blurry, way off low quality images, whether it be video or just photographs of purported Sasquatch. So when you see something that's very close up, zoomed in HD quality,

nobody's really ever seen that. So it's one of those things where I find myself in this sort of moment where it's either really good footage or it's fake. There's really no in between for me. That's where I am, and I still go back and forth, but I have to be honest, and I've been honest with you and Todd about this before. I'm just not there that all of those images that we see that are purported to be videos of sasquatch are in fact legitimate. We'll go back to the one that you

first talked about. That's video three where it runs up the hill and runs across that sack Corge. So Todd went back later on, i think the year after that happened, and did a breakdown analysis of it, and I was that in his I'm pretty sure it was in this documentary, but I'm not sure if it's in a separate video, but I know I remember he did the breakdown. So he went back to that place right where that hill was, and it's like a seventy degree in client. He struggled to get

up that spot, which he looked kindy compared to that thing. When he did the side by side, you could tell he was just nowhere near this thing size. So he struggled the climate. It took three or four seconds to get up there, maybe even longer, and that probably longer three or four doesn't hid right. It took him like fifteen seconds to get up this hill, right, It was like a twenty foot distance travel to get up

to that spot. So he got up there, grabbed the stick, and he tossed the stick down, and we all know gravity's nine pointy meters stress second squared. So he did the reversal of the footage in how long it took the stick I think it was two seconds or three seconds, and calculated out that sasquatch ran up that hill, accelerated up that hill from dead stop faster than gravity pulled that stick down. Just in human you can't do that

right there off the get go. That hash shot is enough. So now let's take the proportion of Todd and him put him in that area, which is like way the hell out, like Radium and the research areas out there, that's even way further out. So let's put him in a suit and put him on stilts and make him about three hundred pounds heavier in this crazy suit per se and have him try to do that. That's not gonna happen. And then it ran alongside that gully faster than any human can run on

a track, and it actually did fall. You can see, Amanda, one of the people in the cooperation went through and stabilized it all and clear it all up, and it actually tripped and fell and got back up and took off again. And it still did that faster than any human can do running, which in that twenty seconds of video, it surpassed anything a human can do. Three poll So for me, that's definitive enough. And if that's not for you, then I get it. You're gonna just have to

come out with me. I'm formally inviting you out to go on an expedition with me, and I will have you either live interact with or I witnessed the sasquatch. Todd has done the same thing, and I've definitely wanted to take him up on that. So, yeah, it goes back to what you said was video three. So that's the one that I picked out that looked the most legitimate to me, and it could be not. I don't

know. I wasn't there. I can look at the breakdown and the analysis and say, yeah, I agree with you that this thing moved faster than any human, it was bigger than any human, that kind of thing. The issue with the other videos that I have is that you don't have that. And one of the things that I pointed out I think I talked to you about it on my show was there's really nothing leading up to it.

It's just you just see this these videos and they look very different. I can think of I don't know how many videos there are, but I can think of at least three right off the top of my head, and they all look like entirely different things. It was like going to India and filming people, and coming to America and filming people, and then going to Southeast Asia and filming people. I guess India is Southeast Asia. But can you get my point right? To stop you there, stay tuned for more sasquatch

out to see will be right back after these messages. They are still all people, exactly, good point touche all. They're all people. However, there is a distinct difference in the look right There's the one video that I think is towards the end of the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, is this weird thing where he's coming out and this thing's like pacing him out of the woods and

he gets gets under this log and it's this black face. It looks painted to me, some sort of man painted with this face, and this really broad nose that kind of stuck out to me. It just looks fake to me. It just doesn't look like any animal or anything that even the other videos that are purported to be sasquatch even remotely resembled. And I thought to

myself, Okay, there's the skunk akee. Right. I think regionally around here there seems to be just a general consensus amongst most people in the Bigfoot community that there are possibly different subspecies or different types of sasquatch. Farther north you go, the bigger things are kind of thing so Pacific Northwest. They're eight nine ten feet tall, and they're these big, patty like creatures. And then you've got the wiry, sort of looking almost orangutan sasquatch down in

Florida that people call the skunk cake. So regionally, these things are different sometimes drastically, but we're talking within I don't know how any square miles we're talking up in that research area that he's captured these videos. Would there be three to four different types of sasquatch in that area to be filmed? That look that different? Is one of the questions that popped into my mind the more that I looked at the footage. So I guess I'll pose that question

to you. It's basically as simple as I can understand it. I think it's just a basic differentiation between you and I. I look different from you, I look different from my neighbor, you look different from whoever walking down the street. And also we have to think about this and more of a biological standpoint, where let's say you have a very remote troop of sasquatch right let's just say they're real. Right now, there's twelve of them one area.

It's segregated from a few other troops that are maybe one hundred miles away. Right after a few generations, they're going to start running into problems such as in breeding and possibly dwending willing numbers, or maybe too many numbers to where the food source can't support their family. So now you have to consider that either they're gonna have to start killing some wall or they're gonna have to start being nomadic, and maybe the whole troop moves, maybe one or two

move maybe what or to die over the time. We don't know their lifespan. Let's say that out of the twelve three leaves, right, So now you're down to nine, and let's say from the other troop from two hundred miles away, one wanders in or comes to that territory, right, And

that needs to happen because otherwise there will be inbreeding. So I do think that they do move around, but you're going to have that differentiation between what they look like because you're going to have either possibly some inbreeding which causes them to look drastically different from one than the other, and the same troop that could be family or it's just different genes from a troop that's been segregated for so long, and maybe an area open up to allow them passage, or

maybe even the opposite, where a whole troop moves to a different area. They're all going to have different facial features, they're all going to have different body structure, they're going to have different ways to hunt. There's gonna be a whole different but it's gonna be like Mexican tribes meeting up with maybe Eskimos up in Alaska. It's going to be this crazy, weird clash of Okay, I can learn something from you, they can learn something from me.

And they look different. So if you have that weird overlap of genes, you're gonna have that. Okay, Like Caboda the video you're talking about underneath the log, he's a weird looking, creepy Sasquatch. It's just between whoever his mom and dad was. Look at dogs. This is the easiest example I can give. We mix the craziest dog species and they look crazy. You know the dog from Target, I don't know the species name or anything

like that. I love old dogs. That's a weird looking dog. It's got a weird face, but it's gonna look completely different from a pug. And yes, they are different species, but they're still a dog. So to me, it's just whatever they mixed with. It is just what they're at and where they're at and why they look different. And if Jane looks different from Jake, it's probably because they either have different fathers or different mothers.

It's just as simple as that. And I certainly get what you're saying. And I think the problem that happens a lot of times in the community, and I know I'm certainly guilty of it as well. It's over my shoulder, it's literally over my head. Now there's a picture of Patty behind me. Right, So everybody has this preconceived notion of what a sasquatch looks like, should they be real? And I guess for me, Patty is

probably that quintessential picturesque sasquatch exactly right. It's like the if you picture the perfect human specimen, and that may be different for different people. You pick a male and female specimen that you consider to be like the quintessential good looking man or woman, whatever the case may be. It's like that for me

with sasquatch, just Patty. And who knows. I've done entire shows about the validity of the Patterson Giblin film and whether it was a hoax or not, or if that's Bob Hoeronymous in a suit, it could very well be Bob Hoeronymous in a suit. I don't think that's the case. I could be wrong, right, so there's always that little bit of room for error

there. But for me, when I watched the Anderson Giblin film, from the very first time that I saw it until the last time that I saw it, which was probably two or three days ago, I've had the same feeling throughout. I've had doubts and I continue to have doubts about the validity

of this film to this very moment. But the majority of the time, six days out of seven, ninety nine times out of a one hundred, when I see it, I get the same feeling that I fall down on the side of I think that is actually a Sasquatch, and I think that film is what it appears to be. I'm just not there with Todd's stuff. That's just the end of the day. For me. That's where it comes down, and I don't want to be there. I honestly don't want

to be there. I want it to be real, because the first time I saw it, the feeling that I had was why is everybody not up in arms about this? Why is this not ending the conversation about this? And then I figured it out because I watched it over and the more that I looked at it, like I said, I just don't have that same feeling I want to be there, I'm just not there. Yep. And I get that, and I think that I can pretty much answer everyone's reasoning

behind that. If we, let's say, compare Patterson g and Went footage to Video three where that Sasquash runs up the hill, I think they're comparable. I think they're very much comparable because we can look at the muscle definition, we can look at the body structure, we can look at all those details and those fine movements that it uses to move. Patterson Gimlet's footage incredible footage. I think it's one hundred percent right. We didn't have the technology

for suits then, we don't have it now. There's no way that that's baked. And even if they did take it, they wouldn't have put breasts on it, and they wouldn't have put the quad muscle blown out in that much detail from that far away with an old camera, it just doesn't it doesn't light out. And also they tried to superimbose people into it. It didn't work out. Todd. You can do the same thing with Todd's footage.

And because there's all that movement and that whole body and it's moving around, and you see the whole thing moving at the same time and in conjuncture with itself. That's what you need to get that, okay, And that's why you think that video three is probably real. But let's go to Jig where it's just the HD video of just his face and his eye. There's not much movement there. It's just his face. He's pretty much just hiding. He blinks and that's about the only movement we get. He moves a

little bit side to side. And there are other pictures that Todd has where you can see your shoulders and you can see his beard and everything like that. But I understand because there's just not that movement. There's not that quality behind the footage where you say, okay, I'm seeing this thing walk off. Who's seeing it's muscles flexing like all this. People who've seen that there, Yeah, that's real. That can't be faked. That can't be a man in a suit. Once we get that on footage, I think it'll

be the same thing. But as far as the Jake footage and the Jane footage, there's just not enough there, which is crazy for me to think about because it's there, that's them, but it for everybody out there who doesn't believe in it and thinks it's a mask it because they don't and there's nothing else there. So I understand. So let me ask you this thinker Thunker. Right, let's talk about him for a second. He's done this

breakdown of let's stick with the Jake video for example. I've watched that, right, and he's dissected some of my videos and that are on Todge channel, so I've watched a little bit of his stuff, the breakdown that he's done, and Todd talked about that on my show, So it's a fair

game to talk about, right. He compared what thinker Thunker came up with his breakdown of the Jake video that he claimed as Todd himself in makeup and if you watch the thinker Thunker video, At least for me, it made sense to me because when he does these side by side comparisons of the two videos and the facial where the nose and the eyes and everything lines up to Todd's point on my show when he referenced that in particular, I didn't bring

it up. He did. He said, thinker Thunker is talking about this thing. Jake's head's like three times the size of he is, and there's no way it was him. And to me, that's not entirely accurate because if you look at Thinker Thunker's video and his breakdown, he does the numbers

on this right. He didn't just throw that out there haphazardly. It looked like it made sense to me. What do you think to somebody like think with Thunker, who breaks this down almost for a living, I guess we could it be fair to say, and he's come to this conclusion that it is either Todd or somebody else and makeup what do you think of? What's your answer to that? What do you think about that? Computers can do

amazing things. You can take and Todd as septence, You can take Andre the Giant and paste it over a five year old's face, and you can make small fractual adjustments and make it look like Andre the Giant's a six year old. And I also think it is because they're so close to us that they do in some aspects resemble us a little bit. But to get down to think her Thunker's analysis of it, Yeah, I see where everybody's coming from with that but on the scale of it all, it's hard to tell

from the video aspect of it because there's no depth to it. You're not looking, it's not right here, so you can't tell the actual size until Todd does his breakdown where he takes the Douglas fur needles and he paced in front of its face, finds out it's almost fifteen inches wide. No amount of makeup in the world is going to take up that big And not to mention the I spacing is different for humans. It's one of our eyes will fit perfectly on the bridge of her nose, and we'll touch either of our

One eye fits perfectly, betweet. If you look at the footage of Jeek, there's two two of his eyes will fit, betweet, So the dimensions don't work out whatsoever. And if it was him in a mask, and I've talked about this before on my show, and I think yours. I don't know who did that makeup, but if any makeup designer did do that, I think they would have came out by now or when he threw his footage up on the news and said, hey, look what I found,

they would have been like, nah, here's a receipt. He paid me this much of money. Here's the suit right here, here's the face right here. I did that work, and they're going to claim it because they want to make a movie on that. And he's the best artist in the world now because he duped two PhDs and Survivor Man on his footage. It doesn't make any sense. You can't spend that kind of money with that animatronics and that much detail and at each D video that you can't pick it apart

without pacing someone's human face on it. That makes any sense without anybody coming out and saying, yeah, that was me, I did that, or no, I paid these bunch of people, and there's ends and stuff like it would have came out somebody. It would have came out, and they're probably going to be some crazy guy out there, Oh yeah, I did it just for clout. But it doesn't work like that when you have legitimate receipts and you can say, yeah, you know what, I'll do it

again. Someone passed up on this obviously, but give me whatever. It's going to be thirty forty thousand dollars to fake this, I'll do it. And when he does it and it's perfect and identical or even it's the original one, then we can disprove it. Until then you can take whatever photo of you want of a human, post it over Jake, and you can

make little movements and adjustments and you can make it work. Sure, And if that's what you want to go with to ease your mind that Sasquatch is real, and go for it. But I think picking apart his videos like that, it don't look going backwards now because at that point we're not fighting for the discovery of Sasquatch. We're fighting for whether Todd's a liar or not. And we don't do that with Bob Gimlin anymore. We don't do that

with Jeff knowledge From, we don't do that with less Stroud. There are people out there who question why they get into it, but Todd's the small fish on the scale, so everyone's going to attack him because he doesn't have the back at that everybody else stubs. Yeah, that's pretty much when I have sip up that, and like I get think you're thunker. I understand why he would try to disprove it. That's what he does. Good for

him to try. I asked myself this question over and over again because Like I said, when I saw the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, I wanted it to be real more than anything in the world. And think of Thunker, to his credit, has done some breakdowns that I've seen on the Patterson Dimlin film,

and he falls down on it's not a human being. I guess it just comes back to the question, even for myself and other people that are involved in the Bigfoot community, why is it that Todd Standing has created or captured these videos of purported Sasquatch and there's very few people in the community that's not saying much. There's very few people in the community that fall on the side of him being legitimate and thus legitimizing his footage. Why do you think

that is? Do you think it's a personality thing? Because I've had people tell me that before, they think it's more of a personality thing with Todd, and I get that on some level. I've gotten to know Todd a little bit outside of just doing interviews with him, and we've worked together outside of the show. I know what kind of person he is away from the camera, so to speak. A lot of people don't get to see that

side of him. But do you think it's a personality thing. Why do you think there's this disconnect between Todd and his footage and the validity of his footage, say, versus the Patterson Gimmlin film, Because there was a lot of problems, let's be honest with Roger Patterson's character. There's a lot of character assassinations out there that I've talked about on the show before. Roger Patterson maybe duped a lot of people in a lot of aspects of his life.

And I've argued many times it's not about his character what Roger Patterson did before the film or even after the film. It's about what's on the film that we have to talk about. That sixty seconds of the Patterson Gimmon film is

really all it comes down to me. And people like Bill Mns and other people have done those breakdowns Thinker Thunker, as I've already talked about, and nobody has been able to disprove anything about that film being a hoax outside of Boparonymous saying yeah, that's me in the suit and that's my glass eye or whatever. Why do you think that we have this issue with Todd and his HD quality videos? Why do you think we're still having this argument. Why

am I not convinced, I guess is the question. Let's go back to Bob Kimlyn and and his footage when he first put that out, and when it first came out, he had just as much backlash, probably more than Todd, because that footage that he got spread a lot further than toddsed it. Even with internet today, you saw that footage movie theaters across the country and across the world. Problem that had way more just people who saw it, way more viused, and there's so much backage. Nobody really wanted to

believe that stuff. I think it's more of I don't want to know and I'm too afraid to find out the truth than it is actual analysis and like being open minded about it. And I think it's We're in the same spot

with Todd right now. He is the way he is, and I really don't need to get into it with his personality because sometimes he can be difficult and he does speak his mind a lot of the times, and I'll call him out on it a future podcast, but he does get fired up about some stuff and he gets a braids of I like that about him because it shows that he's determined in what he believes in, and not a lot of people will hold up to that, and a lot of people will back down

if you say the right question or say the right thing. I think that speaks a lot, But it's more the fact that Bob went through the ringer with his footage. Todd's just going through that ringer right now, and right now. You can go to any big Foot conference. Bob Gimmelin's there. Everybody loves him, everybody wants to meet him, everybody wants his signatures. They all say your footage is real. Maybe they don't. There's always going

to be those couple of people out there books. We're in that spot right now, where Todd's at, where Bob's at, where was Nobody knew him, everybody saw his stuff. There was no way it could possibly be big Foot because big Foot's not real. And your generation, i'm going to admit, was a little bit more hard headed than mine is, so when you grew up not around Bigfoot. Bigfoot wasn't real. That's just how they are. And especially in that time when that came out in sixty seven, that

was a lot of heat for that video that he got. It's just older quality footage, so obviously we can break that down better. And it's a blob squatch like all the other stuff we have. It's just people in suits and they zoom out on purpose. I think it's just more that Todd wasn't very well known. It wasn't so much as character. It was just this new guy that came up with this incredible, amazing footage that nobody else can seem to get. I think it was more jealousy than it was, much

more than that. But it's it's the fact that he just isn't connected and now he is, but before he wasn't, and people took that to harp And why is this guy who nobody's heard of, has all this amazing, great evidence. It's got to be fake. He has to baked it. He doesn't have a backing like I do, or one of the big name guys out there, who if they came out with footage, everybody'd be like, yeah, you've been researching it, like so Jeff and mil Jog.

If he came out with footage, indisputable, done, close the book, put the cap on it. It's done. Because it's Jeff Meldrum. If I come out with footage, everyone's gonna think it's fake. That's just where I'm at. It's not a character thing. It's just where we're at with people who are famous and people who aren't. If you've talked to Dwagh, the Rock Johnson, his opinion is gonna matter more to you than mine. Why is that? Yeah, Like I said, I want to believe you,

man, I want to get on the train. Come on, I'm going up to the radium next month. So if you want, let me know message Todd, I'll get you up there. I'm gonna take you up on that, man, Please do I honestly, I would love to have you come up. I think we had the best time. We got electric bikes out there and stuff. You don't have to walk around. You don't have to hike six miles up on an electric bike and twist the throntal. Hey I'm in pretty chape I can hide it. Just say it's it's a

really incredible experience. I really suggest to you. And even if you only come out once and you just get to see the sights, you're never gonna forget. And like I send you the pictures, but when you post it up the pictures of my podcast with you or your podcast with me. Rather, that's all right in his research area. And you go down the trail a little bit, you come out to the Koutney River. That's a picture. It's right there. I can take you back to all those spots.

Yeah, it's gorgeous. Man. If nothing else, just to recharge the batteries, I might have to take you up on that for sure. Yeah, yep, absolutely. We don't even have to talk about big if you dont want to talk about big Foot, we don't have to just come out there and experience that, and it'll really put you back on the reset road and do some iceman training with you. I challenge you that. I'll challenge you to that. You do some iceman training with me, you will feel

like a new person. Yeah. I might have to try that too. After you described it, I was like, man, that sounds like something I might get into it. Yeah, I'm gonna get you out there. I'm gonna get you out there, don't you worry. Yeah. I think that's gonna be it for tonight. Guys. I've pretty much exhausted you, I'm sure, after doing podcasts all day. Yeah, it's been a long day man. All right, thanks again for having me on your show, and thanks for coming on my show. Absolutely, it was my pleasure.

Man. I always have a good time talking to you