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Today, Hey everybody, this is Less Strive. Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Addison. Hey, Folcus, and welcome back to Sasquatch. I thank you so much for clicking play. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week. We have two amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get
me at Brian at Panamaworldproductions dot com. Can head over to the website and check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As I said, we've got not one, but two great guests on the show today. I got to sit down with Todd and Doug out in California. They've had some really cool experiences out there while they've been looking for Sasquatch, and the main reason that they're here is to talk about this amazing track way
that they found earlier this year. So I'm going to let them tell you all about that. If you want to see the video that we talk about. Make sure you head over to Paranimal World Productions dot com check out the sasquatch Odysie blog at the top of the page and you can watch the seventeen minute video that we talk about. And I'll have all the pictures that they sent me of this amazing track way posted over there for you guys to take a look at real quick. Before we get into this with Todd and Doug.
I'm actually on my way up to Radium, BC, Canada for my Todd Standing Bigfoot expedition, so I will be gone over the next seven days or so. But fear not, We're going to post shows and you guys will have their regular shows. I've got them all loaded up and ready to post on Friday, Wednesday and Sunday as always. In the meantime, we are going to post the first five episodes of that Bigfoot podcast, the new podcast that Wayne and I are doing together. We've got the teaser up now.
You guys should have already heard that, but if you haven't went over and followed the show or subscribe to the show, make sure you do that because we're gonna drop the first five episodes of that show on October thirteenth, and you definitely don't want to miss that, so make sure you follow the show. You can also follow that show on Instagram at that Bigfoot podcast. We'll be posting some updates over there as well. But enough of that.
I know you guys are ready to get into this big Foot track way. Todd and Doug are on the line. They're ready to go, so you gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. FoST want to welcome our guests to the show. It is Todd and Doug. Welcome to the show, guys. Thank you, thank you very much. I'm glad to have you both. So we're gonna go around the horn here, and I'm gonna start with Todd. Since you're in the top of the clock right now,
let's talk about sasquatch Man. What guy you interested in the subject? To begin with? When I was younger, and I'll started with the P and G film in search of all those documentaries and stephan as the old letn't need more eas things. And and then when I started to we walked throughs. I read books when I was younger. It wasn't until I got older well yet, and the internet came out, and then there was all kinds of stuff on Bigfoot, and I did a lot of research online behind the computer.
But once I moved up here to Humboldts, that's when I started really going out, was Doug and not really doing research in the local mountains, in the local areas. We're definitely going to get to some of your research, and I know you guys have some really cool stuff to talk about, but before we get there, Doug, same question for you, man, what got you interested in the subject. Was it pretty much the same thing the general typical things that you were seeing, or was it an experience that
you had. I would say for me, I was a kid when I saw the P ANDNG film, living in El Paso, Texas, and I was always fascinated with the West Coast because my grandmother my parents originally were from Oregon and so my grandmother on my mom's side lived in Willala, So I was always fascinated with the mountains. Saw the P and G film. Even in El Paso, they had a so called sighting of something called the Horizon City Monster, but I was so involved in sports and other things, I
just forgot about it. And I even came up here to northern California in nineteen seventy nine, which I've lived here off and on since then. I even forgot that this film had taken place so close to here. I had heard different things, but I became an avid backpacker, so over the years I've just had some kind of strange experiences out in backpacking with my family, solo and other times. When Todd came here, I told him just some of the experiences I had, and we decided to just go out looking for
Bigfoot. Let's talk a little bit about that, Todd. You mentioned that you guys had been out in the woods and researching together. What kind of research are you doing, What kind of areas are you guys going into, and what kind of experiences are you having? The research word not that experiences as far as researchers, but we go out, we have a firm wall camera, we go out camping, and we just do some midnight hikes and listen, and we also do a lot of day trips in the mountains.
Like I said, we're not super experience, but we do camp a lot, and we do go out in the woods a lot. So we're out in the woods and number of times a year. So we do have the experience of being out in the woods and knowing the area, and we started to concentrate last few years in a certain area, and we've had some good
success. Let's talk about the experiences that you guys are having, and success is a subjective word, right, so let's talk a little bit about some of the things that you've experienced in any evidence that you guys might have been finding and collecting out there. But when that led up to the track weave find we were basically in the same area, just a few miles away. We had gone down this road. We got about shit, maybe a couple
of miles in, but we couldn't go no further because of snow. But we got out and we hyped in probably another mile and a half or so. Dug had mentioned this area that we passed, how it looked like it was a good spot for a predator to be in. So we're hyping back down and we get to that same spot and I'm not sure if I heard something, but I looked up through that same spot and I saw an animal
going between two bushes. I saw brown furs split seconds, but gravel started coming down from the hillside because it was probably about a thirty foot ledge and we saw that the gravel come down, and then the tree had up under snore and it started shaking aggressively, just shaking, and then it walked off. We heard it maybe three or four footsteps that day. We also right after that we heard a couple knocks, and then we went ahead and left.
And then that on April thirtieth, when we came back up to that same area, that's when we found the tracks. Before we get into the track away, I want to go back to Doug for a second, and you mentioned some experiences you had had solo backpacking and some of the things that you had experienced out backpacking with your family. Let's talk a little bit about those experiences and get an idea of what you had experienced before we get into
the trackway, because I think we'll spend most of our time there. Okay, I've, like I mentioned before, I've been backpacking since I was sixteen years old. I used to backpack in New Mexico, and of course when I moved out with my dad to California after our parents divorce. I lived in southern California at the time, so I hiked Sangregonio Mountain, San Jacinto Mountains had some great times. That's one of the reasons I probably came up
here to Humboldt State University. It's now known as cal Poly. I was gonna dive into becoming a forest ranger because that's what I wanted to do. I ended up getting married, but I've been an apted backpacker. My ex wife she actually got to where she enjoyed backpack and we'd take the kids and we would just have weird experiences. A lot of times you'd hear chatter, you hear like people talking, but you couldn't understand it. And we were
all over the Trinity Alps. We've been in the Marble Mountains. So that was some of the early experiences. And then when my son had grown up and was married, him and his brother, his wife and another friend actually had an experience at a lake and the Trinity Alps. It's known as Bear Lake. And it's so funny because there's been a couple of different beare lakes we've been to. You'll hear one's in the Siskis, one's in the Trinity
Opps. He actually had a sighting in the middle of the night, and he was on finding Bigfoot because of it, because it walked into the camp at two in the morning, full moon, couldn't sleep, they didn't have a fire that night, and he saw and smelt it and it picked up his pack he had it hanging up in the tree, picked up his pack, unzipped it because he had it just hanging on a tree limb, and
he yelled, hey. He was so scared. He knew he should have done something, but he just didn't know what to do because it was so scary. And when he said hey, it dropped it on the tent, woke everybody up, and you couldn't get prints there because it was on granite because that particular lake is surrounded by granite. And it's interesting too because just before dusk his other friend said, I saw something huge across the lake. I don't know what it was, and my son had said, was it
a bearer? And he goes, I don't know what it was, but it scared me and I don't want to go over there, because he wanted to go check it out. So that ended up landing them on the Animal Planet finding Bigfoot. So he had that experience. We've just heard these things over the years, there's a big fire breakout, which incidentally, we'd probably be squatching a lot more right now. But we've had so many fires in the very areas that we want to go, so we're picking some alternative areas
here shortly that are where no fires are. So that really got us interested. And we've heard tree knocks, we've just heard weird things. And then another experience which Todd will have a further experience in this particular location. This is after my divorce. But in twenty fourteen, I went with a friend to Bear Lake in the Sisky Wilderness. It's two lakes. There's an upper lake and the lower lake, very remote. Not many people go there backpacking.
And he brought his dog, Amos. His name the owner of the dog is Bob Smith. So Bob Smith and I went backpack. And I'm getting this straight because some got confused about the son some other podcasts. So Bob Smith and I were backpacking. His dog, Amos, was coming with us, an old basset hound, and he was going pretty slow. So Bob said, I'm just going to stay with Amos. We'll just we'll catch up later. So I waited and waited. I got to the lake,
and finally he showed up and his dogged it. So I went looking for him. I said, hey, I didn't see for so a mountainline didn't get him. I think he's okay. Maybe we went back to your truck. Maybe he said forget this and went back to the truck, which in the end was the case. So the next morning he was still worried about
his dog, and he decided to go looking for his dog. And I was there at the lake and I was actually reading a book by David Politis on the Hoop Hop Project, and I had binoculars and there was a bunch of deer grazing across the lake. And at this time there was a thick grove of trees. Now unfortunately a fire has burnt most of that, but anyway, I just know s these deer were acting extra weird, because deer are always very suspicious and they look up and any sound. But they were
acting extra weird. And all of a sudden, I just heard this loud roar and I heard limbs breaking, and it just freaked me out because that was no bear. That roar that went forth. It was so loud, and you could just hear something huge going after those deer, and some of the deer swam into the lake. So that definitely was an experience that got me thinking. And then we later when he came back holding about the experience.
I had put some apples in a couple of locations because I was going to go look my curiosity, which probably looking back, it's stupid in a way, but you just wonder hoping their docile, but you don't know because I hear some other stories. We found one of the apples missing and he goes, hey, if it was a bear, it would have taken both. Why did it only take one? And then we were heading down towards
the lower lake and we found some huge footprints. So that definitely was another experience that was closer than some of the ones in the previous with my family. Other than my sons, I wasn't with him on that occasion. Yeah, I can't imagine waking up to that and something picking up your backpack in the middle of the ninth then had to be a scary situation. Toddy mentioned that you had another experience in and around that same area. Can you talk
a little bit about that. Yeah, Actually it was at the same lake. Doug had pulled me that experience, so we decided to make plans to go back there. So I think it was in two nineteen August. Yeah, we backpacked in, went to the I guess the south end of the lake under these trees and the Grover trees right on the lake. We get there and there's a cat site that all this shovel. It's like they were
camping and they to grab their backpacks and left. There's harps, there is food, there's pots and pans, just everything just like they just grabbed their backpacks and left. So we cleaned up. We put all in the tarps and there was a lot of stuff. There was four of us there. The first night, there wasn't much going on. We're pretty pretty tired. We went right to bed. The next night, the other two guys that were with us, Blaine and Caesar, they had a little streiens. They
were hearing things coming in to the camp. I was out. I didn't even really get up. But the third night, Caesar was gone. There was only three of us there, and the night before we had heard some knocks before we went to bed. This night it was silence. We did hear clinging noises like hands, the pots and pans are being clang together. We figured maybe they had picked up some cans that these campers had left or whatever. That night I'd done to bed Doug and blame I guess we're awake.
They had gotten up in the middle of night. I heard him talking and I woke up. I said, Hey, what's going on? And they said, hey, We've been trying to wake you up for a couple of hours because they've been hearing somebody coming into camps from all sides. There's noises and the bushes and they were getting the fire going way big. So I got up and use the bushes and I came back and we sat down by the fire for probably about an hour. All the noise kind of stops.
Then we decided to go back to bed. Doug and Blaine started snoring right off. They're out. I was laying there on the ground inside my tent. I couldn't sleep. I could see the fire dying down through the
tents. Finally it basically went out, and I started hearing noises in the bushes and I'm laying there, I'm lifting and they're getting closer and closer, and then the footsteps started coming in along with trail and I could feel the footsteps in my back because I was laying on the ground, I could feel the like the where they call him the impact tremors. And this thing got right next to my tents, and I wanted to look out my tent,
but I was so scared I couldn't even move. And I was laying there for probably about a minute or so, and then I guess one of the logs had broken off and fell back into the fire, and the fire raised back up, and this seing took off out of the camp and I could tell he was a bipedal animal. It wasn't a bear. It had to be a squats or a man, but I don't see a man being out there, and the weight of it causing the impact tremmors where I could feel
them in my back. Then I woke up with them in the morning and that was it. We were fine. Actually that day too, me and Blaine were out on the other part lake and we were hearing across a lake from tree knock and tree breaks when Doug was gone for a time. But now, that was a pretty wild experience, just feeling those impact trummers in
my back. That was a unique experience. People have talked about that before on the show, about how big some of these creatures are and how heavy they are, and hearing and feeling the footprints, and I've heard vocalizations of what I believe to be sasquatch here on the property, and that in and
of itself is something that's very hard to explain. When you hear like an ohio howel type call or these yells that these things do, it's something like I've never heard before, and it's really difficult to explain to people who've never had that experience because it's not that you just hear it, you feel it as well. So I couldn't imagine being laying there and then this thing walking
up and feeling the tremors. Whoever wants to take this as far as leading us into the finding of the track, way, I don't know which one you want to start that off and talk about it, but let's get into that. Let's talk about the area that you guys were in, what kind of research were you doing, had you had other experiences leading up to that, and then let's get into and talk about the track where the guests found.
Yeah, we've had lots of other experiences, and what you said about the roars, I agree with you because that roar I had at Bear Lake sounded like the loudest vibrating roar that just went through your body, and it sound like a gorilla because I've heard bears that this was no bear and just the way it was breaking through those trees. And we've had a few other experiences over the years. So that's got us to decide to focus on the
go road a little bit. Which is the go road is the Gaskey the Orleans Gaskey Road, which was near where the famous Patterson Gimmlin film was shot. So it's a paved road that they never finished because of all the Sasquatch activity they had in the fifties and sixties and so forth. That's where they
were throwing the drums and they were fighting footprints and so forth. So we go up that lot because there's some really cool primitive camp sites up there, and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Seaward right back after these messages, one being Laos Camp, another's Beans Camp. There's Elk Valley at the end of the road. These are all places where you can camp for free. Cedar Camp we've been there unfortunately that got burnt this summer by Mosquito Lake were
bombed about that. Just Todd had a good experience with his brother in law carry there last year. So we've had just various experiences and we just like to go up there and try to go down logging roads that have been abandoned basically, and so during the winter we just usually try to get up as far as we can in the snow and look around because we figure that would be a great time to find prints if we can find them, because dearly
prints, cougarly prints bear rabbits. And so that morning we decided to do it. So it was Carrie Todd and myself and we went up April thirtieth and started driving up the Go road. And we had gone like Todd had mentioned before, we made it up six miles like two or three weeks before,
so the snow was starting to melt. We made it up to ten miles this time, and we first jumped out found some interesting things, but then we drove up to where no one had been and when we jumped out, we go wow, look at that, and we saw a trackway that went well over one hundred yards up the hill to a place where the asphalt was melted through and came back down and we were going uhh, and so we were just stopping to look and then Carrie looked down and says, hey,
this has toes in it. And then all sudden we just got really excited. And that's where we made a few airs in the sense of we had tape measures, we didn't pull them out. Fortunately, I didn't think a video where we had just barely start walking up and I thought to myself, I better take a video of this before we start ruining it, because we're walking around looking at the distance between the prints and so forth and how big they are. And some other podcasts encouraged us to really start casting a
lot more, which we're definitely going to start doing that. Looking back, we both think, wow, we could have done this so differently, and then we'd even take out even more of some skepticism that some people have had.
But I tell you it was the most amazing. Fine, because I've had these experiences, but this was like the closest thing to when you see real footprints in the snow, You're just like, wow, it sends you to a different spot that you have to really ask yourself, this just could be real, because I've always been someone that would like to think it's real, but I'm like less strouted. I want to see it to believe it. And so that's the beginning of it, and then talk and going to
more of it. Yeah, we got to the this site where we found the Prince. We had driven through a couple of the areas that had snow still on the road. The first one was a few inches sack, but there was no tracks, no the tire tracks show we know no one was there yet. And then we went through another section that was about six inches deep, and then we went through another area that was like a foot deep that we did get through, and then we rolled up to this area that
we couldn't get through. It was a couple of feet deep. We stopped after where we found the Prince. One of the things that impressed me about the Prince was the toes. You can really see the outlining of the toes and a lot of them, and you can also see the mid tarsal break because the toes went down in the snow for the mid section of the foot to the back was flattened and the toes went down deeper probab about the inch deeper into the snow, which unless you have a mid tarsal break in your
foot, that's were going to happen. The strides of the footprints, the one's going up with four feet apart the gate, which is pretty good. I mean at a fourth foot of mine is probably truth be at the most the good sized gate. The tracks and themselves were about four inches long six inches wide. They weren't the longest prints, but the width and the depth of them, the depth they were in some areas four to six inches deep
into the snow. We were jumping in the snow on our boots. We had boots on, and we were going maybe an inch into the snow. So this animal had to be at least five hundred pounds. It's thought more. I tell you the photographs that you guys sent me. I know you've got some other stuff. I haven't seen the video yet, but the photo that you sent me were impressive. And the thing that got me was how far out you guys were into the wilderness. Typically, I don't know how
it is out there. We do get snow here in North Carolina. We got twenty three inches of snow here a couple of years back on property. And I tell you one thing I didn't do. I didn't take my shoes off and go walk around barefoot in the snow. So that was one thing that impressed me. I was taking notes as you guys were talking about the size. You said about twelve inches long, about six inches wide, and you say it was maybe one hundred yards or so that this wind or how
could you tell? Did you guys count how many total footprints that you guys saw in the trackway? We didn't count them, but there had to be at least one hundred prints. We have probably forty or fifty pictures and a few videos. Yeah, in this area in the wintertime, it's completely death of late because you can't get up there the first department. There's gates that they shut off certain parts of the area and the go goat is usually inaccessible
until mid April because of all the snow. And when we know this area, we were the first ones that got to this point because of the snow on the road that we went through, there were no footprints or any tire tracks at all, but we know we were the first ones to get to that point. Yeah, and another thing too, I would say it was four to five feet. I tried to step between them, and I was total spread eagle to where if I would have tried to take one more step,
I would have fallen in the snow. So that's how far they were uphill, But downhill they were eight to ten feet apart. As if it was running downhill or ran uphill and walked downhill. We almost wonder if he heard our truck or someone else's truck. We're not sure because that day we were the only ones there. We only saw one other vehicle the whole day, and that was at the end of the day because we ended up going back to the spot where Todd had that first sighting and found a nest in
that air because that snow had melted. So that was interesting too. And but yeah, it gets a lot of snow here in the winter because it's like a north basing road, so it'll stay there sometimes till May, even on lighter snow years. This show is an extremely heavy snow year. There were snow at Elk Valley because this road goes literally Orleans is completely if you go there, it's a thousand people and it's forty five minutes north of Willow
Creek. So there are times where you drive Highway ninety six from Willow Creek and I've taken it all the way to Waireka or to I five, but especially from there to Psalm's Bar. Sometimes will depending on the day, you may only see one car pass by. That's in the summertime even And so here you are with this road that goes off right at Orleans, and it's just this paved road that goes into the middle of nowhere. It's thirty plus
miles long to the end of it. It's paved, and then you have a lot of other roads off of it, which Todd mentioned that they locked the gate, so over five six months of the year you're closed off until some of these camps and stuff. And it's a huge area toos it's not a small area. It is gigantic. And so all those factors to gather and to find something that was going almost five feet up hill and eight to
ten feet downhill. We got video of all of it. And when we first saw it, and we were saying one hundred yards, but we've been looking at it again and it could have been even further. It could have been one hundred and fifty yards, because when you're looking up a road in the middle of nowhere, you just gaestimate it's one hundred yards, but it
could have very well been longer. And we went up even two weeks later after that and had made it up to mile thirteen, because we made it to mile ten on this day, so we went up further and the snow was really deep there and I ended up hiking up aways several hundred yards up that snow, and I found tracks that looked very similar to the ones that I had seen April thirtieth. It's just that I took a couple pictures of
those. I didn't take a video because they were just harder because they had been sitting in the snow for so long, you just because snow can make things change. But I did see that foot, that toe, that big toe that really stands out, and it looked close to the same size, so we know it wasn't a full grown one, but we think it might have been maybe a juvenile or something. But the fact that it was twelve
inches long and six inches wide. And this is another thing too. I don't know if you've seen Jonathan, he did a seventeen minute documentary on our He has all the videos in it. This is one thing I was mentioning, if it was a human foot, it had an arch, wouldn't you see the ball of the foot and the back of the foot, because we have an arch. These things do not have an arch. So those things alone tell you this was something amazing that we found. Are you talking about
Jonathan Easily Perhaps Jonathan Easily. Yeah, he did a documentary because they came and visit us at Laos Camp, him and Tate Horonymous because of these findings. And we sent them the videos of the track waste and it's a seventeen minute video and you check that out and you can see all the video we
took too on that. But we'll send this also because since this time, we've put it all together so that he can send it quickly, because we're starting to realize we need to get some kind of name going here and stuff, because this is catching on and we're just basically novice that kind of stumbled
into this, just having our little bit of fun. And now we're realizing while we've discovered a few things, and I think we've had more activity than we realize because we've had a lot of activity over the last few years. That just tell us that we're hitting the right spots. Anyway, you mentioned it, Doug, and I wrote it down as I'm taking note to you talked about going to a different area in the same general vicinity and seeing what you believe to be a nest. What did that look black and what did
you guys find? Okay, would you like to share that? Todd? Sure. On that day when we found the prints, we drove back down that road that we had gone down do monthing before and we cleared out a big section. We got to the area that we had the experience, so we drove up behind it. There's another road that drove up behind the area, and we got up there and we walked around, checked it out.
Then we drove up the road another fifty yards and we found Doug was in back seat and yells, hey stop, and we saw these trees down. The trees were looked like they were naturally like a natural fall, a big clump of trees, but it was dug out or it was the branches were broken off, he could sell they were broken broken off and it was made into a little cave. And we found a couple of prints on the side of the hill going down. Those were pretty big, and yeah, we've
that nest. It was probably a good five feet in and probably ten feet long. I got inside of it and laid down, and they looked like they had matted down the leaves and made it a nice little bed. Obviously it wasn't like a nest. I'm sure it wasn't. That's where they were there for a long time, but maybe they just made it to hang out
for a little while. But what's so amazing about that is the fact that it was only a few hundred yards from where we had that experience where he saw the fur and the tree shake with all the snowfall down, because the road went around behind there, and it was a perfect bandage point because there had been an old logging road, so you could see how something could easily
get to that cliff area, just real easily and then be gone. But at that point there was so much snow we were hiking in we couldn't have driven, but later we could. We got some pictures of that too, So if Todd sends you all the stuff that he has put together on his computer, he's included those pictures and there's some videos on it too, so that'll be something that you might like looking at, because it's not like the
Olympic rainforests nests where they're made of like huckleberry bushes. But it's definitely looks like it was something made to at least be a temporary location, and I just find it here is that it is only literally a couple hundred yards from where that other event took place. Doug, you mentioned this hindsight is definitely twenty twenty when it comes to being a novice and getting out in the woods and finding what you consider to be possible evidence of sasquatch, because it's happened
to me several times here on my property. Recently, I stumbled across what I believe to be a footprint. I've told the story before. I said I wouldn't go into it in depth, but basically, on a hike looking around, I looked down and see what looks to be a footprint. So I take a couple of pictures. I had no casting material, I didn't have anything with me, a tape, measure, nothing. All I had was my foot, so I put my foot in for reference. I know
I've got a size eleven boot. I snap a couple of pictures, and I keep going, but I find some weird tree brakes and some rock stacks, and what looks like a couple of nest sites where these things are woven together. And like you said, maybe it's not a permanent thing, but it looks like something's been bedding down in there. And I don't know how anything outside of a human being or something with thumbs could weave this together in
this configurations. I found that footprint, didn't cast it. It rained for three days afterwards, so I couldn't get back to it with material to cast it. And I don't know, maybe two three weeks later, I find another footprint on the property here that I was able to cast. We were talking before we went on the air. I was out of Idaho last month and speaking at an event with Cliff Barrickman, doctor Jeff Meldrum, and Michael
Freeman. And we go out for drinks the first night we're there, and I hand my phone to Cliff Barrickman and I'm like, Cliff, take a look at these pictures. Let me show you what I found. Cliff looks at the first couple of pictures of this what I believe to be a footprint, and he goes, Dude, that's definitely a sasquatch print. It's one of the best ones I've ever seen. You should have casted that. And
I'm like, oh my god, are you kidding me? Because of course I'm skeptical about this, right, I find something like that on my own property, and the first thing I go to, I'm an Ockham's Raiser kind of guy. It's probably a bear, it's something else, or maybe somebody got onto our property and has a weird looking foot and decided to walk through through bear. I don't know, but when you got somebody like Cliff,
and I trust Cliff implicitly. He's been doing this for a long time, and he's looked at a lot of pictures, and he's looked at a lot of foot castings, and the first thing out of his mouth is, Dude, that's a sasquatch print. I was blown away. Now the one I casted, you know, I showed him some pictures of that. I didn't take the cast with me, but I showed him some pictures. He was like, Hey, that could be a double bear step. I'm thinking the
same thing. That's the first thing I said when I put it out there is that this could probably be a bear double steping, because we know we have black bear on the property. We've ran into him, we've physically seen them here, so we know they're here. But I go and hike my neighbor's property just about a week ago, and I'm hiking up on the back of this ridge and I've posted it on social media. You guys can see it on Instagram and out of our social media. But I find a tepee
structure that's clearly been made. It is a huge teepee structure, and some other weird things where trees have been taken, saplings have been bent around and stuck underneath dead wood. There's no way this happened naturally, if something with thumbs did that. And I find two foot prints up there. I'm walking and I clearly see that big toe sticking out, and I'm on the back of this ridge where I'm having a hard time navigating, and me and I
had three other people hiking with me. We were having a hard time navigating and hiking boots. Nobody's up there barefoot, And of course I didn't have casting material, so I had to go back the following day. Fortunately, it didn't rain, and I got to cast those two prints, and I've casted four other prints on the property than the last couple of weeks. I
haven't even talked about it on the show. I'm not even posting on social media because it's beginning to be ridiculous how many footprints I'm finding all of a sudden, and I don't know what's going on, or I don't know what's causing it, but I'm casting it. And I know if you talk to Cliff, I think you guys had said you would at least interviewed with Cliff and Bobo. I know Cliff is probably the first person to tell you you got to cast everything that you come across. That's one of the things that
I talked about with Cliff was these casts that I'm doing. Some of them are horrendous. They look great when I take the pictures, they look great when I'm looking at them, and then I pour the casting material and they come out just like a big gass clump. It's like nothing there. And surprisingly, when I told this to Cliff, he's, dude, don't beat yourself up, because here's the thing about this, and I'm giving this to you guys because you're in the same situation as me. You're not a professional
Bigfoot researcher. But when you find things, make sure you cast it. Because Cliff said to me, all these perfect casts that you see that people show pictures of and that are making into the books, typically those may not be real. Honestly, if they look too good to be true, they
probably are. And Cliff was like, if you're casting stuff that looks like absolute shit when you get finished, you're probably doing the right thing because those are probably real prints because they don't always get pressed in far enough to make a good cast. Now, I casted some just yesterday that are pretty impressive. They're probably three inch because of the material that whatever this was stepped in. So that's the first time I've been able to cast really decent looking prints.
And I'm probably not going to show them online because I'm not going to put up with the haters. They are going to say they're fakes. I'm just going to keep them to myself. But I encourage you to do whatever. And I want to ask this question, and note, I don't know how feasible this is or if this even crossed your mind at the time,
and either one of you guys are both can answer this. Did you ever think about possibly even going back later that day or trying to go back the following day and cast them, or was casting at that point just not even on your radar. We think that you could cast snow because of the weight of the casting material, which we talked to Clifton. He said, yet
it can be very hard casting. And now you can buy us for material, some kind of snow wax you spraying there to hardens and then you can put the I guess the law enforcement uses it to ask tire prints and stuff, but we didn't think it was any way to do it, so we didn't even We figured take pictures and some videos. That's probably the best that we could do at that moment. However, this is our ace in the hole in this whole situation because Bobo immediately, not just Texas, he called
us and goes, I'm in Portland, I'm coming down. Those are the most amazing prints I've ever seen. Where'd you do that? And so we said, what's been raining a little so we're worried that maybe they're going to get muddled a little bit. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otsey right back after
these messages. So what he did is he sent a good friend of his that he had done all kinds of different activities including squatching for over forty years, who lived in Happy Camp, which was about probably about forty miles north of there, and he came down later that day and saw the Prince and that's what stepping all over the place. He saw the Prince and he reported back to Bobo. They're real and they are the best prince I've ever seen
in my life. And they actually dedicated that podcast to this man because his name was Larry. He was a logger by trade. He was actually going to be highlighted in this documentary that Bobo's doing of a minor and unfortunately he had a heart attack just literally two or three days after he witness those prints. He reported back to Bobo and that's why they got are excited because at first it was just a report that after that then they knew this is legit
and they are legit backed. Honestly, I'm like you, and it sounds like you are in an awesome spot. North Carolina too. Is you got the Appalachian mountains there. I've seen pictures of North Carolina very remote and I think these things are all over the place. When you talk to people and explain to them, even if you say it's three miles away from your house or one mile, they think, ath, what's that? But try hiking that mile down ravines, up ridges. There are so many nooks and crannies,
and that's how it is in our area. I've had a couple of friends say that was just so many miles up the road. Have you hiked it. I'm a big time hiker, Like I mentioned before, I've been hiking the Pacific Crest Trail and I've just hiked long miles. I've been all over the Trinity Alps. Every turn you take, and if you just go off trail a little bit, it's just it's like a whole different world. And I've heard those howls and I've heard different things. We've heard tons of
tree knocks. We've had some amazing other experiences too. And one of our friends actually said he saw one and that was in another place that we're actually going to go on Monday and look there because we haven't been there for a while. We're hoping with the fires, maybe they moved back to that area because it seemed like they were there, then they moved on, so we'll see. Yeah, but we are going to cast a lot more because, believe me, Cliffs banked us on that one. But we had tape measures.
That's one thing. We had our tape measures. And we were like, so, which when you see something like that, you just your mind goes crazy and you don't you don't think level headed. I'm just glad we took some video because that was the most level headed thing we did. Especially when I took this track way up the hill, I almost wish I would have taken it back down the hill. I did take it later down the
hill, but we had already started walking around. But I think, if what ever happens again, which we hope this isn't the greatest discovery we ever had, because that's sometimes happens, we're gonna be a little more levelheaded. This time. It was like you're a kid in the candy store. It's like we were pinching ourselves. Are we seeing what we're really seeing? We had the hope of finding something, because we always do when we go we take a day trip or a chemic trip. We want to see something,
find something. But then when you actually do you're still in shock because these things are just they're unbelievable. When you come across something like this, or you hear tree knocks, or you hear chatter or anything that you think is really to seth watch, it's hard to believe. Yeah, and it's the same thing for me. And I'm glad you said that about the property.
People don't realize how remote you can be. I can get in my car right now and drive ten minutes and be at Walmart, right a supercenter, get gas, go to a restaurant, go to Walmart. But if I leave out of my front door, it takes me. And I'm in decent shape and I'm a pretty good hiker, It'll take me a minimum of forty five minutes just to hike straight up to the back of my property. Forty five minutes now, think about that. That's a long time to be walking.
And like you said, there's a lot that can go on and we have forty acres. It's not a huge property, but there's nothing around us but property. There's hundreds and hundreds of acres of woods behind us and on either side of us, and across the road that we used to get into our driveway. So it's a remote place. But I too, like you when I find something on the property, and like I said, it's just
happened the last couple of days. You guys are the only people that I've told that I found and casted to more footprints that turned out to be really impressive in my opinion, But I don't share it with people because the second you do, even though you took video, even though you took photographs,
it had you brought out the measuring tapes. I've even done that. I've posted pictures of some of the stuff that I've casted here in the past, and there's pictures with the the tape out showing how big, how wide, how long, And people don't even look at it, and they're like, where's your tape measure? Why? And there a tape measure if you look two more pictures there, dude, there's a tape measure. So it gets to be to the point where I don't even want to put the stuff out
there anymore. And I used to didn't understand that why would somebody have evidence of bigfoot sasquatch? People have trail cam pictures, people have videos. I'm convinced. I know I've talked to Cliff. He has seen some of the best trailcam pictures ever of Bigfoot that nobody outside of Cliff and maybe five of the people will ever see because the person refuses to release it for that very
reason. And the second that I started finding things of my own, I now understand why, because there are so many people out there, keyboard vigilantes that just want to beat you up anytime you put your stuff out there. So I'm just not doing it anymore. I'm going to keep it for myself and it is what it is. And I know that probably pisses people off when I say that, but I'm just at that point because I understand where you guys are at. I found prints. The other thing you guys found
a trackway with probably one hundred plus prints. I have found on two different occasions. I found one single foot print in the mud, and the first thing people say is, how can there only be one print? Oh, it must be a big foot on a pogo stick. I've literally made follow up videos because I walk my property every day and I have four legged dogs. All three of my dogs have four legs, and every time I go down a trail, I'll come to a muddy spot right next to some dry
spots. There's one footprint of a dog right there in the middle and no other prints, so it can happen. And I said all that to say, no matter what, document, take the photographs, take the videos, and if you can carry some casting material. I now have a backpack that has nothing but my casting stuff in it, and I do not hike anymore without having my casting material with me. So if I run up on something, I'm definitely going to cast it again, whether nobody eutsees it or not.
I know that had to be exciting for you guys. Obviously you said it's taken off for you. Guys, you're doing podcasts, you're talking about it. What's next for you, guys? Are you just going to continue to go out there and have these experiences. I'm always curious what makes people tick once you see one of these things, or once you get that piece of evidence. Some people just say, Okay, that's enough for me. I'm convinced. Is that the case for you guys? Todd will start with
you. Is it driven you to go out and find more stuff and want to have more experiences? What's next for you? Man? Our main purpose is going out in the woods, camping, enjoying each other and drawing our families and having fun. The Bigfoot research is secondary, but yeah, we're still gonna keep going camping and we're gonna do our semi research. We do have in my truck now, I carry a bag full of casting materials, tape, measure different things, so that way we have it at my truck
all the time. So if we're out there, we have the children need to do cast things, and we're facing there's one person online that just keeps ragging on this prince saying they're fake, it's a hoax and stuff, and
there's just no way that someone could have hoaxed hoax. We did hoped that for sure, we got there at nine o'clock in the morning, we would have had time to hoax and if we even tried, which we would even waste our time hoaxing and spending in a couple of hours trying to make Actually these tracks probably would have taken some of an all day to hoax if even if they could. But yeah, we're still going to keep going out.
And I said, we were going on Monday through an area that we've been before, and hopefully we can find the more evidence and my whole goal. I would love to see one. Hopefully that wouldn't stop me from going out into the forest, but I would love to see one just for my own curiosity. Knowing that good mayte my wife I think I'm crazy, and she that she's never gone out with us as when we go on our day trip,
so she's ever had any real experiences. So I would love for her to see you in two just to approve to her that, yeah, these things are real. So what about you, Doug? Is the same thing for you? Are you still driven to go out and find more stuff and you want to have that experience, that close up experience that everybody craves first and foremost. I'm a real outdoors guy, but I don't hunt. That's one thing that which doesn't make sense. But I just love the outdoors.
I love being in the wilderness. Just creation around me is so amazing. I just love it, and so I'm going to continue. I am getting older, so I realize even though I still am able to hike long distances, like for instance of Buddy and mine hike sixty miles in four days Yep in the Trinity Alps and up and down huge ridges and so forth, and I did the Southern Sierra last year. Fortunately, this year we were going
to continue the PCT. We said, let's just take a year off and hike locally, and I'm really glad I did because this year was an amazing hard snow. And I'm not a mountaineer. I've done winter backpacking, but I'm just not into it at my age anymore. So I do some car camping. I built myself a little camper, so it's fun to go car camping and do these hikes. But also I go backpacking at least two or three times minimum a year. We probably get to the woods once a month
on the minimum, so that's another thing. We are regularly going up there, sometimes twice a month, and we're fortunate. We're only sixty miles from these forty fifty miles to sixty miles from these hot spots, and there's probably even stuff happening even closer than that. So I'm not going to stop because I'm just curious, because i just feel like there's so much humans do not know. They try to act like they know everything, but they don't know
anything, and so I'm going to continue on. We are talking right now. We're right now, we're taking about starting up a little website. We're in the process of it. It's going to be Bigfoot Wilderness Research, so it would be the BWR. So I guess since we're putting it out here on your podcast, we'll have to really up the ante on that. And Todd got a free drone, which we're trying to figure out. We're not
technologically advanced, so we're trying to get it's so imposed. It's the Cadillac of drones that he got for free from one of his relatives that used it just for a music video. And we're almost there, it's not quite running. And then we're going to get some sound equipment too. We've done that too. We've recorded or used like recorded sounds of chattering. I have an AMP because I play guitar. That is battery power. We've put that at
the top of ridges. We do tree knocks, but we're getting away from some of that only because I think they know humans are just trying to mimic them. So we just are going to keep investigating, not going to it. I'd like to see one too, Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'd like to see it at maybe fifty miles an hour and me driving by in a car. I think I'd be okay with it. I will definitely post the stuff that we've talked about, the pictures in the video.
You guys can head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the top of the page. We'll have everything linked there. I may even linked to Jonathan's video on YouTube. I'll shoot him a text and see if maybe I can get some audio and stuff from that
and maybe included in here for you guys as a little teaser. But Todd Doug, I really appreciate you guys coming on and I'm no people are looking forward to seeing the pictures in the videos, and we appreciate you sharing your experiences. Thanks. Thanks luck, Yeah, thank you, and you keep squatching too. It sounds like you are in an awesome place. That's your backyard. That's that's awesome, Brian. They say you don't gotta go home.
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