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Today, Hey everybody, this is Less Striving. Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian Sais. Hey guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odsey. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week. You have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an account and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get me at
Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can head over to the website check it out, become a member there and help support the show. We have a great guest line end up for you. Today. I got to sit down and talk to Robin over in South Carolina, and this interview took some turns that I was not expecting it to take. She has some really
interesting encounters that she shares with you, sort of a habituation situation. I'll let her tell you all about that, but gosh, about forty minutes into the interview, she springs on me that she was involved in the Milbo Catchum DNA study in a pretty significant way. Now. Prior to us booking her to come on the show, I had no idea. So I was in shock, frankly, because I've been trying to get doctor Ketchum on the show
to talk about this forever. And we get into quite a bit of things that have to do with this DNA study, about what happened ten years ago and what's happening currently. So you definitely want to stick around and wait until the last thirty minutes of this interview when we talk about the DNA study. It's definitely something you don't want to miss. We do talk about some photographs in this interview that Robin is going to send me, and I've got those
posted. If you're listening to this now, it's up on the website Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can check out the sasquat ch Otosy blog at the top of the page there and see them. There also linked to a YouTube video where she's talking about the close up of this purported sasquatch that was posted back in twenty thirteen, so you can see that as well. You can also see the photographs on our Instagram page at Sasquatch Odyssey. All the
links are right here in the show notes. But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to get into it. Robin's on the line, She's ready to go, So you gotta sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I forgot. Welcome my guests to the show. It is Robin from next door to here in North Carolina, in South Carolina. Welcome to the show. Robin, thanks so much, appreciate it. I am glad to have you here. So let's get right into it. Let's talk
about Sasquatch. I know you've got a ton of experiences to share with us, so let's take its chronologically, and why don't you just take us back to the first time you had an experience and tell us where you were, what you were doing, and what happened to you. I was very young. I have memories back when I was like as crazy as it sounds, I have memories back to two and three years of age. They used to look in the window. They still do today, but they used to look
in the window all the time. Where I lived at it was in the city, but there was a lot of woods around as well. And as I got a little bit older, four and five. Back then you could let your kids outside and you weren't so terrified that they were going to get abducted. And so I would go down I was drawn to the wooded areas. I just automatically that was where I wanted to be all the time. And there was three or four of them would actually stand out of the tree
line and watch me. And then we moved and the place that we moved to had at the end of our street, it was all woods, just large amounts of woods, and they had these dirt mounds. You could ride your bike on it. And I would go down there and I would build sand castles in the sand and the dirt and everything. And again I would have them. They would come out for me. I don't really know anything different. It was always they just would approach me when they were looking into
the window. And you say they were standing in the woodline watching you. Were you able to get a good look at these things as far as their face their build? Can you describe in detail? Maybe in both cases, Yeah, what you saw looking through the windows and then what you were seeing when you were standing outside. Oh, sure, Number one, everyone is individually different. You will not find any two alike. They come in all hair colors, all skin tones. Like, just because you see one that's
great, does nap mean it's old? Okay, white, does nap mean they're an albino. I have one that I'm very close to that I interact with all the time now, and he's white haired, but his head is shaped exactly like a human man. It does not look anything like you would think you would see in a sasquatch. And you have the ones with the corneal heads, you have some with a flatter nose. They all are extremely
different. Hair lengths is the same thing. There's a female named Sadie that brought her baby to see me one time, and it was much older at the time, and she had hair she reminded me of cousin it. Her hair was salon and it was copper colored, and when she would walk like the hair would just fall off the muscles. It was incredible to watch it. But they're all extremely different. Predominantly you see a lot of the blacker ones, but I find that there's really just as much in every single color,
any shape. Facial features vary as well. Let's talk a little bit about Obviously you were having these situations where you were able to see these things looking in the window and you're seeing them stand around. Did it go as you were moving? Were you guys in a really wooded area? Were you just on the sort of the periphery of the wooded area. What kind of layout are we talking as far as the land is concerned, And is that
something that moved as you guys moved? And were these things following you? Were you interacting with other individuals. When I was little, it was different individuals. We always lived in the suburbs, in subdivisions and so on the outside of the subdivisions were wooded areas. But then I had friends that would have forty fifty acres of land at their house. Everywhere I went, these things popped up, and I would say, it's me, except other people
saw them when I did. The only common denominator was me, And I don't have any memories when they weren't there. I guess it's the easiest way to put it. And then as I got older, it wasn't where they would just stand away at a distance. They were closer the window peakers. That's all the time they do that. Here. I was in bed one night and I woke up at two thirty in the morning, and I don't have curtains over my windows. I find it really irritates someone that can't look
in. I'd change in the bathroom and that kind of thing, and they would just look in the window. So it was always comforting for me because I never knew anything different. How are you afraid of something that you don't remember weren't there? So for like me, it's a little bit different. Doesn't mean I've never been afraid of them, Absolutely not. There's I've dealt with some bad ones, and you know, they weren't actively trying to hurt
me. They're trying to hurt other people, and you should have a healthy share of them. But the ones that were around me as a child and growing up and still are, I get nothing but peace from them. You know. When I was a kid and we moved, we didn't move a lot, but when we did move, there was different groups there. It just seems that where ever I end up living it, they're there now.
The ones that were in Michigan. When I moved here to South Carolina, it took us all of less than twelve hours to see the first one. So we already knew, and so that I was pretty confidentble and I can feel them like they radiate a certain energy, and I've always been around it, so it's really easy for me to pick them up, and so I knew they were here. I was extremely happy when the ones that I was closest to in Michigan showed up. They were hard to leave. So let's
talk a little bit about that. You said there were other people around when you were having these experiences as a child and then even later on in adulthood. Was that something that your mom and dad were aware of as you were a child. Were they aware of what you were experiencing and what you were having these experiences with? Was it something that the family talked about? What did that look like as far as your family unit and these things are concerned.
Now, it's a very comfortable situation. When I was a kid, my mom and dad, I was the one that was seeing them all the time, and my friends would come over and if they were around me, they would see them, and they were always asking me, what is that? Do you see that? Do you see that? By the time I was seven, I knew that net everybody was getting what I was getting.
Even though I had people that saw them, and so I was so hyper protective, Like I really am extremely protective of them, and I didn't talk a lot about them, and except to people that were really close to me. The people that were really close to me would see interaction as well.
I did ask my mom and dad when I was five, because I was so obsessed with the Six Structures. With them, they teach you everything is about the teachings, and when I was really little, it was showing me the Six Structures because they are a form of communication, and I would see all these things, like my mom and dad might see footprints and not understand what the footprints were. So when I was five, I finally said, I need you to tell me about them, and they couldn't. Patterson and
Gimlin hadn't released anything yet, there was no books in a library. The things I know about them I never read in a book. They taught me. I learned it from watching them and from what they taught me. So it was very odd in the beginning because I'm interacting with these things. They can verbally speak, and how do you explain that to people when the world doesn't know they're there? Now, as I got older and I had my own children. Of course, my own children had interactions with them as well.
I kept it very limited who I would allow at my home because by that time they were at my house every time and it was a daily thing. And so the people that I left come to my house they were safe with. I felt that they were safe and I could talk to them about it. I was fortunate my mom and dad never did this. Oh, she's crazy, she's making it up, she's lying. My mom has always
been very steadfast, and you're not a liar. I know you. If you say they're there, I'm going to believe you because I know you well. She now knows that it was all true anyway, because this time has went on, things only stay hidden for very long. When I got older and I was living in Michigan, the group that was there, they walked around my property because I had a wooded property of ten acres, They walked around the yard freely all day long. It was not a big deal.
Nighttime, they would come outside my window and my bedroom and they would knock on it, and they'd knock, and they'd knock and they knack, And I did the one thing they tell everybody not to because I didn't have any guide. Luce, I didn't have anybody to go to. I went out and sat with him at night. I was that crazy woman in her pajams at two thirty in the morning, sitting out on a log with all of these pick foots walking around me talking. They have their own language as well
as ours, and I could hear them talking theirs. I would just go out there with them and interact. And I don't advise that the group I was with I was very blessed because they could have gotten really bad at any given time, and they didn't, and they never tried anything. It was really a very easy going, comfortable relationship. I had people that would come
over and I'd take them out with me as well. I never took him out in the middle of the night, but we would go out ten eleven, twelve o'clock at night and sit in my yard and they would watch him walk around. My mom she came over to the house one time. She spent the week into my house, and I was careful with what I told her because I didn't want to frighten her, and she knew about them.
I never kept that a secret, but knowing about them and having one standing outside your window in the middle of the night is a little bit different. And so I didn't really tell her about the interaction at night. And she got up the next morning and she said, what was knocking on the window all night long? And it was my fault because I had given her my bedroom. I went and stayed in another room so that she would be more
comfortable. They did what they normally did. They went to me at night and she said they knocked all night long, and she said, I swear somebody's trying to break into the house. I could hear talking. And then as I got older, I started working with people. And I'm not an expert. I will never claim to be an expert. I don't know everything.
I think I do, okay, but I don't know everything. And so people would come to me and want to know how to interact with them in a good way and learn about their culture and them as a people, because they are by people. They're not our people, okay, but they
are a type of people. And I would work with people. And I went away for the weekend with my mom and my daughter, and we were staying at a hotel and I said, listen, I work with people all over the world, so I do get people that contact me in the middle of the night. I said, I tried to tell everybody I was going to be busy, but if I didn't and the phone goes off, I'm
so sorry. I'm not trying to wake you up. Somebody called me that was having an issue and it was three three thirty in the morning, so I took the phone. I went into the bathroom and I'm in there talking to this person. I'm like, it's okay, okay, you're totally misreading it. It's all right, this is why they're doing it. This is how you need debate. It's going to be okay, nobody's trying to hurt
you. And I worked with it for forty five minutes to an hour, and I came round of the bedroom and my mom was sitting up on the bed and I said, I'm so sorry. I didn't want to wake you up. And she looked at me and she said, this is all real. I said, yeah, I know. I told you it was and she said, I always believe you. She said, I never doubted you. But when you have people calling you, she said, your phone never stops. Disc goes on every single day, all day long, all night
long. She said, they're not calling you because you don't know what you're talking about. And I said, yeah, I know. And after that it was like a training put shift common knowledge in our family. My sisters never had experiences with them. She thought she saw him a couple of times, but she wasn't sure. My kids have all had interactions with them. Some of them will readily admit that others load because they broth had didn't happen. But it has just always been part of my life, so it was
never a big deal. Like for me, it's perfectly normal. I would rather go out in the woods and have a hundred sasquatch out there that I've never interacted with and feel safe with them, and go out in the woods with a hundred strangers of our people that I don't know any day of the week. I'm more comfortable with them. So let's talk a little bit about these interactions. When you say interactions, ocean in their mind what that means
to them, right, because that's one of those subjective things. For me, an interaction is walking up and shaking somebody's hand and having a conversation, that kind of thing. Thinking in human form, right, we're thinking in human terms. Yeah, when you say interaction with these things, describe a little bit more in detail the kind of interactions. How did it start, when the interactions began, has it morphed into different things, has it progressed
over the years. So let's go into a little bit more detail about those kind of interactions, how that started, what it looked like in the beginning, and where it's went as far as current day. Okay, in the beginning, when I was really little, it was more of them watching me and me getting comfortable with them being around, and they did the same thing. They played the same games with my granddaughter, but roll a small pubble
up to me so I could roll it back look in the window. I would be playing, and they would laugh, or they would try to talk. And you have to get used their speech, because it is they have a much bigger voice range. They can go much higher and much lower. Also, we talk from like up here on the top of her throat, where there's this more guttural down in the clavical area, So it takes a lot to get used to. I'm not real fluent in it. I can
make it out when they speak in their own tongue. It sounds like gibberish ninety miles an hour. So it was interaction as far as games like he would play with a child. As I got older, it was more so still looking in the windows, of course, but they would come up on the deck and they'd look in my sliding door or my head chickens, and I would go out. All my chicken eggs would be gone, and i would see all these giant footprints and I'd be like, Okay, I don't
care if you have some. I still need him for kids. Immediately after that, half the eggs were always left gifts. They are forever leaving gifts on my doorstep, whether it's white rocks, feathers, flowers, whatever they want to. As time progress, it was more you can call them interactions, you can call them experiences. It got to the point where if I was in the side yard, one that I'm very close to would walk up from the woods. He would walk out in the open and he would come
and stop about ten feet from me. I did have one here in South Carolina that it was very late at night. I don't necessarily know it was a planned thing, but he did come up and it's really weird because it's really fuzzy. I remember him coming up to me and I remember the feel of his hair on my wrist. I think he was trying to tell me something. I don't remember what it was. It's really weird. It's very foggy, but it was never anything aggressive. I've not been in a situation
they tried to hurt me. The only one that ever tried to hurt me was in Texas, and I was was someone that was setting up a research site and these were not very nice ones. And his grandchildren were out there and the kids had climbed up in this tree stand and I looked at my friend because there was animal bones all over the place, which is what they
call a killing field. It's where they go to eat. They take the kill, they go there, they eat, and I'm like, we've got to get out of here, like you just took your grandkids for dinner table. This is not cool. We gotta go. And the kids wouldn't come down. They could see them in the woods walking towards them, and the kids were up high. So I went and stood between the main one that was there and the kids, and they wanted the kids left there. I
refused to do it, and they just kept saying the children. I'm like, no, I'm not leaving the kids. So I got the kids to try to come down the tree stand and he bluff charged me. When he bluff charged me, he went directly right next to me, leveled this palmetal bush that was right next to me, blew my hair right off my shoulder. But I was more concerned about the kids than I was me. And then after that I got the kids out of the tree stand. He did
chase the trump. He never did anything. But normally they are pretty good. Right now. If I go out in the backyard and there's any out there, I can't away, was promised they're there. They love the dogs. They especially We have a white Pyrenees and they absolutely love this Pyrenees and she'll go right to the fence where they're at and they'll stand right in the bushes or I can see them. But they've done some crazy things. I have many pegs, and I have these dogs and my many pigs have a
pen in my garage, and they love the animals like. I don't have aggression problems with them. With my animals. They've never hurt an animal. I've had, and the youngsters can. It's like dealing with vam rubble.
They've got the superhuman strength and they don't know how to control it. And I went into town one day and I came back and my whole garage door, the lower part of it, they've been it in to be able to get in the gardge with the pigs, and they bent the wheels right off the track, literally snapped up. I went in there and there's all these footprints all over. As I went into the garage, they were running out the back door and jumped over the fence. They never hurt anything. It's
interaction, somewhat controlled interaction. Like I get a lot of the adolescents. They're quieting on my ruff and they're pounding on the ceilings and everything. And I'm that woman that runs out in the middle of the night and says, you will get your hairy butts off this roop, or I'm getting hold of somebody, and somebody's gonna get in trouble, and then you hear laughter, and they go from that to the pine trees and down. But I have
had them approached me many times in the woods. We found early on taking pictures of me in the woods. Usually you find something in the photos because they follow me around. When I was in Michigan and that particular group there, that group was like nothing I've ever encountered, and it was just the best, Like they were the most loving, wonderful people ever. The ones I have here now, I've got three clans here plus some of my Michigan
group, and they're fine. I don't have problems at all with them, but it's not as good as it was when I was in Michigan with that group. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey right back after these messages. They like predictability, They like to be in control. They like to know what you're doing. So every day I would walk the same path around the ten
acres and it was like little games. I'd walk the loop the first time, i'd go back the second time, and they all put trees down in front of me and I laughter, and I knew they weren't stopping me. They thought it was funny, and I'm like, yeah, you're still following me, and this is me ignoring you and walking around the tree and you would just hear the woods erupt with laughter, and I'm like, I know you're there like just stop, you know, or I'd see him walking parallel
with me. Eventually I met eger war stuff. He found me because I had only contacted one person in the bigfoot world, because I'm not the only one. I have people that have witnessed this with me and seeing them writing around the yard. My God's son he asked me one day. And he's military now and he called me one day and he said it was all true. I said, I get that a lot from people. Is it all true? He said, no, I remember the monkey then, yeah,
robbing it. I remember them when I was little and he said they just were huge, and I'm like yeah. And he said he was watching something on TV and there was something about the big Foot on it and he said, I always knew it was true. He said, but I just had to call you because of what I was watching on TV. And I'm like, yeah, it was true. No problem. There's certainly a lot to
unpack there. I'm taking notes as you're talking here, and I want to go back to you were just talking about some of the interactions and the bluff charge. I've documented some rather aggressive encounters over the last couple of years involving people and dogs, I wrote down that you had interactions with some of the
bad ones. Can you talk about some of those interactions and how they went and what kind of regression that you were experiencing, because I think for a lot of people, there are different experiences that they have with these creatures, and I think it's important to talk about all of those. If you would talk about some of the more negative interactions that you've had with them, Yeah,
And that's one thing I try to tell everybody. You will never hear me say that they're all wonderful, because they're not okay, and everybody's entitled them, and I respect everybody's right to their own opinion. First off, I don't try to change anybody's mind, because when their mind is ready, it'll change. But they are a type of people. They really are, and I've known it my whole life. I worked with doctor Melba Quetchum.
I still work with her today on the new crypto genome project. The DNA backed it up, the DNA I turned down on them, backed it up. We had so many different kinds of samples that all backed it up. But I already knew it. I already knew it. I originally when I interacted with them as a small child. I'm such an animal lover. I
just thought they are an animal in the would. But when they can talk to you, when they have a written language, when they have their own alphabet, when they can draw and they can write, they're no longer any more animal than we are. But they're not our type of people. We need to be clear and that they are not. And their culture is one hundred percent different, and a lot of problems with them as miscommunication. But
there are bad ones. And because of the vibrational energy that they have, that frequency and that energy, every emotion they feel is so much deeper than ours. They love deeper and they hate deeper. And our people have not been kind to them. Okay, our people to kill what they don't understand rather than learning about it. And there's some that are just bad. We have rapists, murders, pedophiles, psychopath all these things in our own people
they do as well. I am all about making sure people know that there is the flip side to it, that there is a bad fide to it. Predominantly my experience are positive. That people I work with are mixed whether their experience is theirs. But a lot of it comes down to not reading the signs, not understanding the communication that they do have, and then you have ones that are just lethal. They hate us, they want nothing to do with us, and they avoid us at all costs. But then we
go into the woods and we're so curious. It's like poking the bear. It's not all our fault, but it's also not all theirs. Every situation is different. No two are going to parallel. You can come up with parameters as to explanations, like the throwing of the racks. Okay, little tiny pebbles, they'll toss it, you r little acorns or whatever. That's a playful thing to say, hey, we're here. Are you aware that we're here? And that keeps them safe. When it gets to a little
bit bigger stone, it could be something they're playing with. It could be now you're getting a little too close for comfort. The bigger the stone, the closer you're getting out of them, and it's their way of getting you to back off. If you're still not backing off, you're going to get some major sized boulders at you because now you've crossed the perimeters, you are too close for their comfort. They have families, they have children and mates
and parents, and it's the same thing with us. If you're sitting in your house and somebody walks in your home unannounced, opens the door and just comes in, there is nothing you will not do to protect your family, as it should be. But when we go out in the woods, we're now in their world too, So you may inadvertently come up on something that you may not have been looking for, but you're all there at the same
time. Another thing that a lot of people don't realize. The ones that are good are extremely protective not only of their families, but they are helpful with ours. Okay, they've saved my life on multiple occasions. I know they can do it, and I work with a lot of people that have
had those similar experiences. And I also have worked with a lot of people, including myself, where they have literally stopped somebody from coming in the woods, now because they're meaning aggressive, but because there's something else in the woods could harm them. They've stopped me from walking right into where randlesnakes are. They've stopped me from being out there with an aggressive bigfoot, and they told
me to go in the house and they pelted that thing with rocks. But The thing is, when it comes from the throwing of anything, their aim is perfect. It doesn't miss. If they want to hit you, there is nowhere on planet Earth you're going to go and not get hit. So if they're missing you, they're warning you. And yes, it's big and it's bad, and it's scary because they're so different from us. But the truth is we scare them as much as they scare us. But everybody needs
to be aware that they're not all good. They absolutely aren't predominantly, yes, and I believe that, but not all of them. Let's talk a little bit about some of the things that you've mentioned so far. I want to go back to you mentioned the clan that you were interacting with in Michigan. Some of those at least in part, followed you down to South Carolina. We're talking probably six or seven hundred miles of a trek that these things
made. Let's talk a little bit about how that came about. And obviously I don't know if you've been able to connect with them and have a conversation or whatever that looks like to figure out why they migrated to that area. Can you talk a little bit about that in that situation, sure. Number one, they do not migrate. What happens is when they have to go to follow up food sources, they will send the hunters for that clan, and those hunters will go get the food and bring it back. Sometimes they're
gone several weeks whatever. But they do not migrate. Everybody thinks they migrate because they may not be as visible at different times of the year. They don't migrate any more than we do. Now. That doesn't mean that some won't, like some of our older people will be like, I'm not sticking around in Michigan. It's too cold. I'm going self for the way. That's not a migrate. That's just getting away because you don't like the climate of it at that time of year. So just so that we're clear on
that. The other thing is I was really worried, like when I was moving in Michigan and I didn't move a lot, but when I did, they showed up. Wherever I was at, they followed, and I thought that was really cool. When I came to South Carolina, I came down here to be near grandchildren and my children. I had some children that were here, others in Michigan, and I wanted that time with them and the
grand kids. It killed me to leave that group, like I am so emotionally attached to them, like it's crazy, and there was nobody in the world more happy when they showed up here. I was thrilled the fact that they even cared enough to do it the whole land in come down here. I had three out of what was like sixty individuals that actually came down here, and I have pictures of them, and we talked about that. I can send you some pictures that sent a problem and they just showed up.
There's different ways I can tell you that they did. Some that people would believe, some that don't. Number one, they can want great distances and they don't care how long it takes them to get there. Then there are paranormal aspects to that as well. It just depends on the individual group, and it also depends on that clan. Not all clans will use any type
of paranormal things. Some are strict, like with Amish, which is the best way I can explain it. We have Amish cultures where they don't use electricity, others, do you know, It depends on that particular sector. And what I've noticed with the clans because I've worked with so many of them. Now, is that depending on the clan? Is the methods I get
you. You mentioned it earlier, the stick structures and what those mean, the teachings, and obviously you mentioned speech in their own language, and in the hours I want to are you going to talk a little bit about that?
What does that look like, what does that entail? How did you learn because when you started talking about this, to mind with the famous case of the fifty years with Bigfoot, Janie Carter talked about their own language, and she's even shared some of that over the course of some podcast interviews. I've rebroadcasted a couple of her interviews over here and talked about that at Nauseam. So let's talk a little bit about what that looks like with these individuals
that you're dealing with. How do they learn our language? What is their language like? And how have you been able to put all that together and understand what you've come to understand about these things. First of all, Janis Carter is a friend, and she's absolutely right about the language. For me, when it first started them talking to me, I heard it sounded like
gibberish at first, and then the English came. I do know, depending on location, if they want, they can talk any language they weren't. They can mimic anything, and they are capable of any language that there is out there. It was very normal when they started talking in English. It's hard for people to understand it. I'm not a pro at it. I'll admit that I can get bits and pieces and eventually get what they want, what they're talking about, but it can be really tricky just because of the
vocals that they have. But they are more than able to do it. If you went to Mexico and people are speaking Spanish, eventually you're going to learn Spanish. I spoke of the Scientific International Conference in Siberia with Egor bore Stuck. The ones there would speak in Russian and I was like, you have to stop. Egos tried for years. I will never be able to learn Russian. It's not going to happen. And they were very good at switching it over to English for me. But yeah, they're capable of all
of that. They have their own alphabet, they can write, they can read. It is a different culture, it is a different way of life. And what I've noticed too is by location, they do a lot of the Native American traditions, not all, but some of them, the ones that were in the area where Janice was, and some of the Native America
Can words are their own language words that they would use. When I used it on mine in per same Michigan, there was some confusion, you know, and they would say, oh, that means that, but this is how we say it here. Now. I was on a jibway land there, so I think in my own opinion, that has a lot to do
with that as well. But they can speak in any language that's necessary, and they're quite fluent in it. It does sound like it's broken English at times, so it depending on the individual is whether or not it flows a
little bit better. You mentioned earlier Sadie brought her baby to let you see her baby, and I want to talk a little bit about that because I'm actually speaking at a conference next month and we're breaking down the Paul Framan footage from back in I think it was nineteen ninety two where he recorded what looks like a huge sasquatch walking across the trail, and it's been enhanced and Doug high Check from Monster Request has done a lot of work and we're going to
show that at the conference end. Cliff Berrickman and I, along with doctor Jeff Meldrum and Paul Freeman's son Michael, are going to break that down and talk about that. But it's very rare that anybody gets to see what most would consider a baby sasquatch, much less have one of these things bring it
to you and let you see it. Can you talk a little bit about what the process was like for that too eventually happen for you and is that something that has happened multiple times or how closely do they allow you to get and interact with the claim. To be clear, they're the most protective things that there is out there when it comes to their children. Okay, And that footage that you're talking about is tremendous. It's one of my favorite.
The situation was Sadie. They had been interacting with me daily all day long, plus at night in Michigan, and I had seen her around, but not a lot like I would catch glimpses of her walking through the woods. I was at home, I had someone with me. I was nappy, only one there at the time when this happened. Although she didn't my friend get as close to the baby as I did, but I also didn't try to get overly closed. Would she have let me, I don't know,
because it was more of a respect thing. I was at home. I was in my bedroom holding clothes, and the dog started barking outside, and I thought, what in the world's going on. I looked into the backyard and it looked like she was like an orangish copperish color hair, and I saw her by the trees and she was pacing back and forth. I didn't realize there was a child out there. This was a new a little baby.
He wasn't very big, and so I walked outside because at that point, was I looking at something that was one of our people, one of their people. Whatever. So I walked outside, brought the dog in the house, and I walked back out once I realized what it was, and there was this small, chocolate covered little baby. It was a little boy, and he was down at the base of the tree, and he wasn't very big, and he wasn't very old, and he was so cute.
He'd climb up like three feet and then he'd go back down, and then he'd get all excited and he'd run to the next tree, and he'd go up three feet, he'd go down, and it was just absolutely adorable. My friend was with me and she was watching this, and I started walking towards her. I'm thinking, I'm going to do this really slow, really easy, because I already knew how protective they are, and I never wanted
to cross that barrier. So my friend got so far and they talk about the zapping, and she didn't zapp her, but she made sure she knew she wasn't coming any closer. I, on the other hand, kept walking. It was like thirty feet maybe anywhere between twenty to forty feet would be the safest to be accurate. And I remember a very good friend of mine saying to me, if you ever are up close and personal with them, look at the tree so you can go back later to get side height,
that kind of thing. So I looked at the tree, but I was transfixed on this baby. And she let me watch him for like anywhere from ten fifteen minutes something like that, and then he got bored and I just watched them in her act. She didn't tell me I couldn't come closer. I wasn't afraid to come closer. It was more from one mom to another. You only let strangers get that close to your kid. And I just stopped and watched. And because I think I stopped and watched, she was
very gracious about letting me have that time. And she picked him up, put him on her chest and held him close, and she started to walk away. I followed her and I watched her. I got probably behind her fifteen twenty feet and I just felt that was it no more. So I stopped and she was gone. And I don't recommend this to everybody at all, because again, when I was doing this stuff, I didn't have anybody to go to. I was by myself. This had been going on my
whole life. I didn't know any better. But I was putting food out for them. Okay, put gifts out, if you want to put apples out once in a while. Don't do anything repetitive because then they expect it. But I was, and I always put it back out in the woods behind my house. Then wintertime in Michigan, you drag them through the snow and ice and everything, And I thought, why am I doing this?
They're at my window every night. If they can come up to the house play with the stuff, in the garage, play with the stuff in the yard, interact with the kids and the grandkids. They can certainly come up here and get food, and I thought this is just crazy. So I moved everything up by the house because it was just a lot easier, and
they played games. I would put stuff in jars and put lids on it, and they would go out and unscrew the jars, take the food out and then put the jar lid back on, and a lot of different games that were played over there, and they finally at some point the kids were allowed to come to the house. So I would look out in the yard and they would be right in the tree line and they would be getting food or whatever. The one day I had left, I had bagels out there,
and I pulled it. I went to the grocery store, I came back, and when I came back, I didn't pull into the regular driveway, drove around behind the house and up on the side of the house so it was easy or to unload because it was closer to the door. And when I did that was on the side where all the food was put out. I felt so bad because there was a little tiny child out there. It was black and he was sitting out in the open and he was eating
one of the bagels. And then I pulled around the house and I scared him, and he triggered on. He just chucked this bagel at the truck and bounced it off the windshield. I was like, I'm a little larry. But then they would come up and they would bring the kids. And after about the third or fourth year that I was there, I was instructed to watch the kids. And I was like, okay, but I knew that while I was supposed to watch the kids, they would go hunt.
They have ones, they take turns watching that they didn't need me. Everything is a series of tests. Everything is a progression, and nothing ever stays the same. It's a learning. Everything is a teaching. Everything is a learning. And I knew I was supposed to keep an eyeing these kids. But if I would have just gone out there and say it down and said, okay, guys, let's play, I would have never lived through that. Maybe that's what other people are allowed, that's not traditionally their ways.
And so I would walk out on the porch, I'd look out, I'd see everybody was seventy feet off the end of my house. They were playing, they were happy, they were where all the food was at, and i'd go back in. They would let me know when the kids were there, and they went and they brought these logs in and they put them so that they were anchored to the trees, and it looked like a gigantic playpen. It was rectangular shape, and I always called it the playpen because I
didn't know what else to call it. So my daughter would go and she'd put toys out there, old toys that she had or whatever, and they had a ball with them. It just worked out, so I never had a problem with them with the kids. Now I have one picture, and it is admittedly not the best picture. I will share it with you, Brian, so you can look at it, but it's not as clear as
what I normally get. And they were true of the kids that were in the backyard, and you can just see their outline peeking out above the grass. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that. You mentioned it earlier, so I want to touch on it because it's something we've talked about on the show here recently. I don't know when this will air, but one of the things that's recently come out is about DNA. Matt Moneymaker has put out some
stuff about a new DNA study that's going down. I think it's Darby or Cut here in my home state of North Carolina. At UNC is supposed to be putting together a new DNA study and it's going to be something that's sort of announced at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference. So you guys look into that, and you can find plenty of that stuff on the internet. But you mentioned the catchum DNA study and that you worked on that. Can you talk
a little bit about your involvement in that. I talked about it on the show, and I've let my opinion be known. I'm not as convinced maybe as you are about that study. So if you wouldn't mind again talk a little bit about the study, your involvement in it, and hopefully change my mind about the outcome of that DNA study, stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. Okay, First, well, I want to mention something about Darby or Cut, the study that
referring to. I just did an interview for him. For Derby and I come from different angles at times but I consider him a true friend. Okay, there's no just because people on Facebook Pitt Derby and I against each other. I want to just put out there that is the furthest thing from the truth, furthest thing. Like I said before, I may not agree with everybody's findings. They don't agree with mine all the time, and I'm okay with that. I respect everybody's right to their opinion, and I think it's
healthy to ask questions and it's healthy to learn. I don't want anybody to ever feel like because I said something, not that they would care, but just because I said something it has to be taken as fact. No, not in the least. When people are ready to accept the truth, they will and that's just the way it works. But I respect everybody's right for that true. The Catch Them study a lot was never disclosed. I was very deeply involved with it. I met her because the Sasquatch told me to
find her. I didn't even know there was a study, had no clue about this study. I was out in the woods with my guys. I wasn't paying attention to this. I don't pay attention to that, and I just do my thing, and that's it, and they had said, she knows the truth. I had asked them beforehand. It wasn't like I didn't already know. And you know, what I was told by them is maybe appropriate or not appropriate for the show. But they had already told me what
they were. It wasn't a shock to me. So I had a friend get hold of Melville because that person knew her. I did not. I didn't know anything about the study at that time. And they told me to help her, and I'm like, how can I help her. I'm as far from a scientist as you get. That's way above my pay grade. I communicate and I work with all the cryptids. That's what I do. So she contacted me and I said, I don't know how I can help you. I'm not a scientist. I can help you get some DNA.
I can help with paperwork. I can help be involved however you want me to. And so that's what I did. I was the one that fielded the phone calls. I would this one that scheduled things. I was the one that worked with the people that were contacting here hundreds a day, wanting to know how to work with these beings and these people, and so I was like the point of contact. So did I do anything scientific? No? Was I in the know of everything scientific one hundred percent. Melbot to
this day is like a sister to me. I will back that woman to the vowels of hell. I'm back because I know how legit she is and I know what went on in that study. We had blood, saliva, flush, urine, a tonnail hair, you name it. It was in there and the results when it came out were not what everybody could understand. You're talking that was ten years ago. People weren't ready for the truth at that time. And to begin with, she never tried for any of this.
This was not something that she woke up one day and said, oh, I'm going to go prove this. That with not how that went down well. At that time she held her vet's license. She was also doing forensics in DNA studies, testifying in court for law enforcement, FBI, whatever, identifying bodies at nine to eleven. This is a woman that has the classifications. If anybody would get past the bigfoot thing and check it out, they would find out just how legit she had her own lab at that time.
People brought things into her first species identification they didn't know what it was either did she At that point, she really wasn't on that spectrum of knowing or caring about a big foot. But it came up something now, something that wasn't discovered yet. She's a scientist, She's a true scientist. There's not a scientist out there that is going to come up with something that nobody knows of and pass it by and say I'm not going to check this out.
And so she did, never expecting what went on, and people coming out of the world work with samples. And then it was about the contamination. I've heard about the contamination so much, it's ridiculous. There are tests run to find out if there's a chance of contamination. There was no contamination. And once she ran all this and found out what was going on, she knew people weren't going to believe it because she was having a hard time
with it as well. DNA doesn't lie, you can't fake DNA. And it was coming up on the michondrial side, which is the mom human on the father's side on the nuclear it was coming up unknown because we don't have access to any database that matches what is on that father's side. It's not there. You can't say the father's side is anything scientifically speaking if we can't match it. But the mom's side was human and it dated back anywhere between
thirteen to seventeen thousand years. On top of that, she had decided to take this to outside labs so that nobody was going to take it. She knew nobody was going to believe it was just her. She sent it to the top labs in the country were robotic arms were you to test this. There was no level of contamination. The samples were washed, they were clean. DNA samples were taken from members on the team that were even close to
it. They weren't the same DNA. They were not contaminated. But nobody other than the people that are really in close contact with these things, that experience them, so that they know. Once you are in close contacting you have these experience in gene you have these interactions. You don't even need a DNA test because if it walks like a duck and it looks like it's the
ducket's a bloody duck, and it's the same way with this. You cannot have intense interaction and contact and think that these are anything less what they are. Are they our type of human? No, but that doesn't mean they're not a human. There's still a people. They're just not our people. It's a different culture, it's a different way of light. I came in after that study was like over half done, and I was there for the remainder of it. We now have the cryptogenome study, meaning we are going
to reach us some of the samples for the sasquatch. Mine came back positive for a sasquatch, and they will reach us mine as well. And we are also doing dogma and any other crypto out there. If we can get DNA and it, we're going to test it and we will see where it leads. I think it's going to be a pattern. I think from what I know from my experience is working with all of these various cryptics, you're going to find a pattern. I think people are going to be surprised.
I will say this new study that we're doing now, the show of support is tremendous. We never had this kind of support ten years ago. I think that has to do with people experiencing and seeing that the human characteristics are there, the language is there, the speech is there, the writings are there, the teachings are there, and the Sasquatch are now working more with
people as far as to learn their culture and their ways. And so when this came out, there was so much lies that came out the first time, and that's what buried the study. We worked with. Nature released the paper. Nature planned on releasing it. I've seen the private emails. They went to her, and they went to me, They went to a various amount of people. I saw the paper trail, I know what it is, and they planned on doing it. They wanted a couple of rewrites on
the paper, which we gave them to their specifications. It was supposed to go okay. We got shut down. We got shut down hard. And whether people believe it or not, the government's involved is this because they don't want it out And so that's why Nature dropped it. It was already due to be released. You're talking all those years of study, hundreds of thousands of dollars, all these people interacting with it, putting their time, blood, sweat and chears in it all that time. There was no way we
weren't going to put it out there. Anyway. You don't get this finding and the truth on it, and just because you get shut down walk away. We had death threats. NOLBL called me one night and she said, get out while you can, because have kids. And I said, I'm not going anywhere. This is true, it's real. Not only do I know it's the truth. The Sasquatch, you know what's the truth, Beaus, they're the ones that told me to find you, that you knew the
truth. They're not going to tell me to find you when I didn't know you if it was all not real and it backed up everything. A lot of it's knew. Janice Carter as well. That's why we supported it like we did. That's why I fight for it today. And for all the talk from everybody, we're going to do this study. We're gonna do that study. Okay, where is it? You guys had ten years to prove it wasn't real. Nobody could do that. That's the whole thing. It's
not just what they've taught me. It's the DNA. Nobody knew how everything played out with the DNA because it never got to come out because everybody shut it down so fast. So the reasons that they think everything is so confused and so wrong and done so incorrectly is because the truth never got to fully come out. They got partial truths and they made up the rest. There was so many lies that were out there you couldn't keep up with them.
It was just incessant harassment, threats, physical, financial, everything, And it's like, how do you take on the whole world when nobody wants to listen. It's like standing in a room of a million people and screaming at the top of your lungs and nobody hears you. So she shut it down. The rest of the truth never came out, and ten years later we're back. I've said it on the show. I've invited doctor Kitchen on the show several times, and for whatever reason, she has decided not to come
on the show. So I've talked about the DNA study in the past, and I think one of the biggest issues that I had outside of what I understand it to be more inconclusive, because the one thing about DNA is if you don't have a type specimen to compare a controlled sample too, it's very
difficult to say with any certainty that this is that right. You have to have that control sample to say, okay, we've compared it to the controlled sample of a known squatch or whatever you're testing, and then say definitively that's what it is. We won't want to get into the minu show that. I'll just stick to this and maybe you can speak to this a little bit, because the biggest problem I've had with doctor ketchum study and what's happened over
the last ten years is very similar to what you just said. There's been ten years and there's a lot of things and I've heard doctor Ketcham say this several times. You've now said it a couple of times on the show. The whole truth didn't come out, but it's there, and I think that's the biggest issue I've had with her is if there is more to the story, and she said there's more to the story, It's almost like a teaser every time I hear her talk about it. It'll come out eventually, or
we're going to put it out when we reach this milestone or whatever. Do you have any idea why, if there's more to the story, why she just wouldn't put it on Front Street and just shut down the naysayers. And that would be one of the mic drums moments. We'll speak to that a little bit, because I've heard her. She hasn't appeared on my show, but she's done a couple of other podcasts recently and had the opportunity to talk
about exactly what Bigfoot. She's made the claim she knows exactly what Bigfoot is. She knows exactly what dogman he is, but yet we don't have that information yet. So talk a little bit about that if you wouldn't mind. Okay, the dogment stuff has not been released yet. Okay, I'm fully aware of it, and we are in the process of testing more samples on that, as well as pulling the genomes. The thing of it is, and this is what nobody really understood, and I get why they didn't like.
I can see both sides. Nobody knows what our team went through when the study released to say living in Hell doesn't come close. Was it worth it? Most of them say no. I say yes, But nobody gave us that platform when we did try to come forward. There are multiple attempts to come out with all of it, but every time we came out with any information, we got hit with ten more attacks. And you get to the point you're talking that the damage done to everybody's lives was so extreme.
People don't understand because they weren't part of it, but for the team itself, it was devastating. It wasn't that the information wasn't going to come out. We tried, because it was such a shock to everybody's system. We tried to at first the soft disclosures and just letting them know what the DNA said. We had more footage, we had everything set to release, but we got hit so hard and so fast there was no way to do it. The harder we fought back to get this out, the more people came
at us. If you're going to go into a street fight by yourself and there's twenty people there, and you're going to go into it and think I can take that twenty and then another one hundred show up, at what point do you decide that your physical safety is worth just backing off? And that was part of it. There is more there. We do want it to come out. We're hoping ten years later people are more willing to hear it. You can't tell people things they don't want to hear. You can't force
them to believe what they don't want to hear. And that ended up being what was the biggest problem as far as her net coming. She went into silence. After all this is over. Yes, she's been out on some shows. I booked them. That's why, Yes, I know she's on some shows. I went two people that I work with a lot, Duke Sullivan and Dave Scott, and I trust them explicitly. They've always been extremely good to me. And I went to them, I said, listen,
I need a safe place where she has a voice. It's not up to me, it's up to her. It's not I didn't let her. But if I let you have her on there, are you going to shut people up long enough to let her talk? How do you talk when people won't listen? The hate is so severe, and that's what nobody has been able to understand. Nobody because what they saw was two dimensional. They saw what they saw that day, that time when she spoke, and what they saw
online. But we were living in two dimensions. We were living in multiple ones at that point because we had everybody coming at us from every single angle. Every person on that project. Okay, when these people as far as the chain of custody and the samples, we still have those samples. They're not going anywhere. But the thing of it is with that, everybody said we want the body, we want the body. Nobody is looking at the fact. When there's the body, the government takes it. It's not as
easy as what people think it is. Okay. And the people that brought us these samples, they were our chain of command. There was footage of them seeing these things, and they found evidence and they watched it. I turned in here samples, which you've got to have the full follicles to test. You can't just say have for anybody out there. If you just have a sample of the hair, not gonna happen. You gotta have full follicles. I watched the individual climbing over the fence when the hair got stuck on
the barbed wire fence. I know what left it. I saw it. I interacted with it daily. Nobody cares about that because they didn't see it. How do you get everybody in the free world they have the same experience at the same time, so that they can see it too, and when your physical world is at risk. And it wasn't just Melboyne I there was a whole team. There were people that devoted their time and effort to getting
these samples Adrian Ericsson. Adrian has got phenomenal footage. We put up the video of Matilda, one of the clearest, most fabulous footage of a sasquatch ever seen. It even beats Patterson Giblin because it's close ups of her face. Do you know what everybody got for that? Ridiculed? Attacked, trashed, accused of faking. Nobody wants to believe it, and Brian, you can't make people believe what they don't want. And you can only scream and
holler and say I'm telling you the truth. I'm telling you the truth so many times before you say why am I doing this? People wanted the truth out There was a lot of people that did. We wanted to give them that truth. But when you have everybody coming at you at all times, you can't just put it out there. Everybody thinks it's so easy, and I get that all the time. They're like, we should have just put it out there anyway, put it on here, put it on here,
and let it go. It was already a shit show, and behind the lines it was even worse than what the public saw. And we couldn't keep up with the lies. You spend all your time fending off the lies and trying to correct the lies, and you don't ever have time to get the truth out. She just said, forget it. I'm done. I didn't ask for this, I never wanted this. I did this because I thought it wouldn't matter. I didn't do it for fame. She didn't make any
money off this. That was the other thing. Oh well, but Ketchup's baking all this money. What a crock shouldn't make anything on it. We sold a few copies of the paper, but then we made it public. Then get it free. It's on www. Sasquatch Genome project dot org. Go on here the papers on there. Everybody put everything they had into this, hundreds of thousands of dollars, time, equipment, everything, and nobody
ever gave it a chance. And you get to the point, I think, where if nobody's going to give you a chance, what are you fighting for? That really is what it came down to. We would love all that evidence to come out. We fully intend to have it come out. But we're now working on the new study and moving forward. We're ten years later, we're stronger and better than we were before. We have more supporters than we ever had, and thanks to Steve Ishtall God bless his soul,
he has helped really bring attention to the project. We don't have benefactors anymore. Now we have to fund it ourselves. We had a benefactor before, we don't have that. Now we're doing the go fund me. Money is coming in. It's going well. That do donate to it will get their NDA sent to them and then they will get information behind the scenes that will not necessarily be made to the public or they'll definitely have it much sooner.
And they will also be getting information from the first study, but it's more of a controlled information because we can't have what went on the last time. Nobody deserves what was done to us the last time. Especially Melboy took the hip for everybody because when all of it went down, as bad as it was for the team, she protected everybody and she said, let them come at me, and they did. There were prominent figures of that team that got it just as bad, but she took the hip for most of us.
It was worse for her than anybody else. But you know what, nobody can duplicate the study. They haven't been able to do it yet. They can try but they haven't been able to do it in ten years. I wish them all well and I hope it does go through and goes well for them and it supports what we found. But regardless of what they get, it's not going to change what we did. And as far as her coming out, she is coming out a little bit gun shy after what happened
the last time. We've tried to make it a little bit more control and the information moving forward, and we're just going to keep going. I told her years ago. I kept telling her, you gotta finish it, you gotta finish it. She's no, I'm not doing this again. I'm like, you gotta finish it. No, I'm not doing it again. And finally she got hold of me and we gotta finish this. And I'm like, oh, hell yeah. So, for better for words, it's bad.
I definitely appreciate that. Like I said, it's something that I've talked about on the show before. I will certainly link to the Genome project in the show notes or everybody can check that out for themselves, read this study, educate yourself. Like you said, don't listen to what I say on the show. I am no expert. In anything, get the information yourself, make up your own mind. And all I do here is act as
a conduit. And I certainly have my opinions on things. Like I said, I've had my opinions on the DNA study that she's done, some other things that have been done in the community. But at the end of the day, I think it's really important to have those conversations with people. And you and I talked about it before we went on the air. Some of your experiences have been a little outside the norm. We didn't really get into that, and maybe we'll have to do a round two and have you back
to talk about some of those experiences. For sure, I think when it comes to this, because it's science like this is where there's definitely not a separation. I come at it at a little bit of a different angle. I'm not a scientist. On a scientific standpoint, you have to have everything match up. And I will say this when it comes to that paper, if you don't have a scientific background, like it said Garb and Iody, I think the world with them. I always have boys will on. I
want him to succeed in this study. He didn't care for the way things went. They didn't jy with him. But you're talking about something that is not in the normal realm. This is not something that goes in this great little square box that we've all been taught to believe. From my standpoint, it defies science. There's a scientific aspect to it that I believe one hundred and ten million percent, but I also know them and there's a lot that's
way outside the science realm. And so you're talking about, Yes, the science. I'm not a scientist. This is only my own opinion, but maybe not science in the standard way that everybody thinks it should be, because it is that novel. It is that different. But the DNA, no matter how they get to it, the DNA is the same. As far as the bodies. Not only does the government take them, and I know a lot of people already know this, they do bury their dead, and
they don't give them up easily. They will literally do a funeral. They'll hold three to four days of silence, depending on the hierarchy of the one that's passed, and they bury them and they do a very good job of making sure you can't find them. But if you look at even different animals, when they discovered gorillas. They killed nine hundred of them to prove they existed. Why does anything have to die or getting DNA? So, why does everything have to be killed to do it? We have people that are
physically seen where the DNA comes from. Why do they have to die for it? As I said, that's one of the things that I've talked about so many times on the show is science requires what it requires. We could go on for another hour and talk about that for a whole another show probably and get into that, and like I said, maybe we'll have to have
you back. I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. As I told you before we went on, there's a lot of people that are going to roll their eyes about some of the things that you said, because I say it on the show all the time. When people make extraordinary claims, it requires extraordinary evidence in most people's minds. This is how I looked at it for what it's worth. Not that anybody cares, but this is how
I look at it. We all have different experiences, especially with the Sasquatch. Okay, people aren't going to understand my experiences because they haven't lived them anymore than I am going to understand theirs because I didn't live theirs. It doesn't make it wrong on either side. It means we've had different experiences. This whole thing with the Sasquatch is this giant puzzle. I can have a million encounters. I'm not any more important than somebody that just was driving down
the row and one ran across the street. You need that other piece to fill in the puzzle. So it's not about who can tap two or who. And it's not about, in my opinion, is this person's experience believable or not. Because it's still their experience, you can't change it. They're entitled to that experience, just like they're entitled to their opinion. I wasn't put on this planet to prove to anybody. I don't even try. I share my experiences. I can share the teaching, but I don't want to
force anybody into anything they don't want. I'm not going to be forced in anything I don't want. But what happens with my groups with me, it can be a completely different experience with somebody else in their group. Because they're all individual people. None of these things are going to have the same behaviors. They're not going to have the same experiences because they're individually different. Not
only do they look different, they have different personalities just like ours. We all have different personalities and due to our personalities and our belief system is how we behave the way we behave. So what experience I have is going to be absolutely different than somebody else's. We have to get out of the box. We have to get out of the pigeonholed that says everybody's experience is the
same because it's never gonna happen. That will never happen. It's individualized each and every person that they have interactions with, they'll never be the same. There you have it, folks. I will link to everything we talked about in the show notes. If you guys want to take a look at the photos that Robin mentioned today, you can go over to Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the Sass Watch outsy blog at the top of the page,
and I will have those there. Robin, I've had a blast talking to you. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me on. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. No, I don't want to be. We're all out that chime this job and chime everything clear, Bride, baby Joy for me to stay right now. You call it right away, said Sad, said yes still side side side says about time bout, I'll try for posssssssssssss