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Today. Hey everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know, aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odys. He guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week. We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, before we get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the
show, shoot me an email. You can give me a Brian at Parentimal World Productions dot com. You can head over to the website check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As I said,
we've got a great guest lined up. I got to talk to Roger from Tennessee and Roger actually shared his encounter story, or at least a part of it, on the stage with me there at the Smoky Mountain Big Front conference back last month in July, and I invited Roger on the show to spend more time because he had quite a few experiences to share and we only had ten or fifteen minutes or so on the stage. I wanted to give him the opportunity to come on the show and share his full experience. So I
know that you're really going to enjoy this. Roger is a fantastic guy and just a really straight shooter. I really have enjoyed becoming friends with Roger and his son Peyton. During the interview, Roger refers to a video. I'm actually going to link to that. So if you want to see the video and hear what we're talking about in the interview, head over to Paranormal World
Productions dot com. The link is right here in the show notes. Check out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the top of the page, and it will be the most recent episode. As soon as you land on the blog homepage, you'll see it right there. But enough of that, I know you guys are ready to get into it. Rogers on the line. He's ready to go. You gotta sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Folks want to welcome our guests to the show. It is Roger from Tennessee.
Welcome to the show. Man. Thank you sir, been looking forward to this one, me too. Man. I got to hang out with you and meet you in Gatlinburg at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. You and your son Peyton were one of the bright spots in my weekend man, So I really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and share your experience that you shared on the stage with me there. I know that was
not an easy thing for you to do. It's not easy for anybody to tell their story in the first place, but especially to get in front of fifteen hundred two thousand people on a stage and talk about your story. Before we get into what got you into Bigfoot and talking about your encounters, let's talk a little bit about the conference. I have been there. This is the third year in a row I've been there. The first year I went
as a spectator just to check it out. The second year I went was as a vendor, and then we were back this year and I was handling the encounters and doing some of the stuff on the stage. So I've got to see this progression. Is that the first time that you had been to that conference, or had you and Peyton been to that before. That's my first conference of any kind of like that, And because it was four hours away, and when I first told him my story publicly, it sped up
a little bit and I enjoyed learn. I'll enjoyed learning what I could. And when I saw the lineup, we're four hours away, let's make plans to go, and we had a guy's trip. We don't he's twenty six. You don't get to do that as much with your grown kids. And we just made a weekend out of it. And I didn't know what to expect when we got there. I had spoken to you on the phone or texted, then some other people. It was nice to have some millier faces
and people. I think. We came back and chatted with you a couple of times and in between what was going on on stage, and I was blown away. And then the clock it kept ticking because three thirty was coming up. And yeah, I came to you and I was like, right, can I go lack just to see what everybody was doing? And I was confident be my story. That wasn't. I just wasn't as confident and meet and I appreciate you making me feel cumfortable and you did a great job.
You seem like a natural. Lets I guess you've been done this a while. I've done it once or twice, man, once or twice, and the mic canned off to Cliff was pretty cool. Actually, yeah, I've posted that up on my stuff because Peyton texted it to me after you guys filmed it, and people have really enjoyed that. That's been one of the things that people have said, Hey, man, that was a really cool way to hand off the mic to Cliff. And I was like, yeah, how often do you get to do that, Cliff Brick? You
gotta do something less special, right, And it wasn't a setup. I was snat pressed with him panning over to you. He didn't know what you're about to do. You didn't know what you're about to do probably, and it just worked out. Yeah. Some of those best moments in life are unscripted. Man. It was full. It was a good time. I really had a good time. I met so many great people and getting to hang out with people like often again do you get to hang out with Cliff
Berrick Munnon. Renee Holland was somebody who really surprised me. You know, I've talked about Renee on the show before, and I really didn't know what to expect of course, you never really know what to expect with anybody, but Renee was one of the warmest personalities that instant just connection with her. I didn't hang out with Matt much. Matt was doing his thing, obviously,
and Cliff and I didn't really get to hang out much. We're actually doing a show together over on another podcast because we're speaking together later on this month. We're getting together, I think on the eighth as we record this in about four days, so we'll get to hang out a little bit then.
But it's so funny because you get so caught up in what you're doing and even people you work with, like I had Matt prut on for an interview a couple of days back, talking about his new book that'll be out in the next couple of weeks, and he produces the show for Cliff and Bobo and he's Gatlinberg. Was really the first time they got to hang out and so long because they're so far apart geographically. They talk on the phone
every day, but they don't ever get to see each other. So it was really cool to see them hang out and get to hang out with Matt, And that was a really great interview for you guys listening now, you'll definitely want to tune in and listen to the talk with Matt Prude about his new book, Phenomenal Sasquatch. You and I were talking about. You've just got your copy and started reading it. It's one of the best reads I have ever read, as far as any book really, but specifically in Bigfoot.
The legend me science book was one of my favorites with Jeff Meldrum, doctor Meldrum's book, and Matt is one of the best writers that, like you said, we were talking before natural writers and the way he handles this subject and talks about this subject in this book. Obviously, this is not an episode about his book, but I just want to throw that out there because it's a really powerful book in my opinion, that everybody should read. And I'm glad that you got a copy of it and are getting a chance
to read it, especially having an encounter yourself. I think it'll really for you, in my opinion, put a lot of things in perspective that may not already be there for you as an experiencer. Yeah, and I don't think Matt really knows how good of a writer he actually is, but I think he's going to find out after this. I think you're definitely right man. Yeah, I'm thoroughly impressed. And like I told you before, is it odd that I'm reading the book in his voice. I can't hear he's
reading it to me basically, which is cool. And we met him and Cliff and I never thought when this got started, my son turned me on to find a big foot. And there's a weird reason how that happened. I tell you later that I would be standing here there talking to Matt Pruett and I note some of this story. He lives in Middle Tennessee now, and we were talking and just down to earth. Sounds like a great guy with sharing stories with me. Cliff was you know, I was nervous before
I went on stage, and I had talked to him about it. It gave me a little vice, you did. And you know when Peyton, when he showed me that video, I looked at it several times. I said, look at Cliff's face, as he's genuinely happy that I didn't pass out. He was like, there you go. He was like I felt like that anyway. So yeah, it was fun. Yeah, not passing out as always a good thing. So let's get right into it. Man.
Let's talk about your interesting big foot. We talked about it a little bit, but tell everybody and me, what guy you interested in the subject to begin with? Was it your first experience or did it start earlier on for you? I think I've been fifty two years old. I think everybody when they were really young saw the Patty film. I don't think it was stabilized. It was scared the crap out of his kids. And I think, no, I know that when we saw it. I don't know if
it was on the news. We had three or four animal was growing up in rural Tennessee. But in my mind there was one big foot to be scared of, and it was out in California, somewhere out in Washington, so that was a long ways away. I didn't really worry about it, didn't think about it. My interest was forced upon me because I'm curious. I like to learn new things or whatever, and this the it's the experience. It just happened. And if I'd have been three or four minutes later
or earlier, I never would have seen this thing. It was just the tim it. And after the sighting, we had no the local library was in town. I was out in the country, so I had no way of looking anything up. So it was put off for years. And I'll tell you this how it got started back up. My son was about he's twenty six now. He was about I'm gonna stay around thirteen or so, and I'm gonna I'm cooking himself or lunch or something, and he's watching his
phone. Here's something on his phone. I didn't know finding Bigfoot existed. I didn't know YouTube videos of bigfoot existed. And I'm in my late thirties and all of a sudden, I hear something in the living room and I freeze and I what was that? He said, Oh, it's this new show. It's funny. It's finding Bigfoots. This is the how that Matt Moneymacker. And I'm waiting a minute. What you just played is supposed to
be a big foot? He said, oh yeah. I said, play it again, and then play it again, and I said, I didn't need to talk to you. I've heard that a half a dozen times when I was younger, but that recording doesn't do it justice because the first time I ever heard it, I felt it too, which was odd. And this was after the siding, not too long after the siding, and they were a company had moved in and had started strip mining for phosphate and they
were tearing up the habitat back there. And years later, looking back on a lot of this learning and reverse as I call it, maybe that's what why I heard the screams in that area after that. But yeah, that was one of those aha, old crap moments. I'm like, that's supposed to be a big foot and yeah, and we had a talk. He
said, you gotta watch the show. When I watched the show and recognized pretty quickly it was for entertainment, but there was some information that I never had and things to look for and parts of the country that were in California or Washington. The very first episode was in Sheer Deck of the Woods, North Georgia, which kind of floored me. And it started there. That's
how it started. It started way back when I was fourteen, but it didn't continue until I realized there were resources that I could go to and make my own judgment. There's a lot of fake stuff out there. There's a lot of people trying to get clicks, but you can filter through that if you do put in the work, put in the time, So that's how it got started. It was funny learning in reverse. I like that.
I actually wrote that down as you said it, learning in reverse. I love that, and it's the kind of the same thing for me almost because, like you said, I thought as a kid and I got interested in the subject. I didn't believe that there was just one big foot, but I believed that they only existed out West Pacific, Northwest and California in those areas, very much like you. That's one of the reasons I started the show was to document as many cases as I could in the southeastern United States.
I was born and raised in Georgia. I now live in North Carolina, and people were having these experiences, and I knew that the people that I was hearing those stories of jen Singh hunters and things that were guys getting scared off the mountain by what they called boogers or wild men or whatever. Now I know that to be what I believed to be a big foot or sasquatch. So I wanted to document as many of those cases as I could on the show. It's Gonna air As we record this on Friday, It's
gonna air on Sunday. I got the opportunity and the pleasure to interview Peter Byrne, the last of the four Horsemen of Sasquatchery, last May, and of course he passed away on July the twenty eighth, and I was going through that and I remastered the audio today and I added a few things to it for people to listen to. And that was one of the things that Peter and I disagreed about, was because he doesn't believe and he didn't believe
that Sasquatch had ever really existed basically east of the Rockies. I figured out that's probably not accurate, but he stuck to his guns. He was that kind of guy. He was not going to budge from that. There's so many people like you who have experiences that are in my neck of the woods. We've had experiences here that I can't explain on the property. I think there's definitely a there. And I think that Finding Bigfoot did a lot of
great things for Bigfoot. I think it did a lot of detrimental things. I think it was one of those give and take sort of things. But I was very pleased with the show, very much like you, that they did cover pretty much all parts of the United States and say this is happening in Florida, It's happened in Tennessee, it's happening in Idaho, it's happening here, it's happening in California. So I think it was a really great
part of the show. I think it did a lot of great things, like I said, and obviously gave people like you who had experiences and things that they couldn't explain, somewhere to go to get some of that knowledge. We've talked a little bit about it. Obviously, I've heard your story on
the stage in Gatlinburg. But for the audience, would you mind taking us back and talking about your first experience, talking about your first encounter and tell us where you were, what you were doing, and what happened to you. Yeah. I hear people talk about you your mind before you saved one of these things, then after, and it was nothing special. The day it was a fall day, a leaves are off the trees. I grew
up hunting those woods I had. We didn't own but an acre, but we knew a lot of the farmers and they liked me and my dad. How you had the run of it you don't have to ask. There's several hundred acres at it. So not having a neighbor kid close by, I spent a lot of time in the woods and naively after dark without a flashlight walking in when I was hunting. My dad started me out with a bad gun at eight years old, and that's the woods I learned to hunt in
this different time. Now, after I showed him I could be saved eleven or twelve, I would turn loose, go rabbit hunting by myself, or hunting by myself, deer hunting. When't it he trusted me. There wasn't a lot to do, but one thing. I would always keep an eye on the fields behind our house. There were some hills, rolling hills,
open fields and woods. And just one day I just I stepped out to the side across the there's an access to a cemetery that kind of went out of our driveway and then you step into the neighbor's field there and it was nothing in between me and the hill, which was about the base of it, about two hundred yards one hundred eighty two hundred yards. Looked out there,
there wasn't even there wasn't a rabbit or a deer would ever. Okay, So I'll go back to the house to my left, or the dry creek bed that ran up, and there was a little elbow I called it, where the woods poked out a little bit into the field and then turned back. I hunted back there, and something stepped out right there at that point. And of course the all the grass is green and this lush and the color. And you always hear people say the first thing I noticed.
Now, that's not how it happens. You notice a lot of things at the same time. And that's why you're mind twists. That's why you can't comprehend what you're seeing, because you've got the size, you've got the color, you've got all this going on. And that's the one thing you cannot get across the people when you say seven foot seven, half foot eight and nine, the mask that comes along with it, that's just you can't in the thickness and all that. So I saw something step out under. It
was under a limb. Thank goodness, I had a little reference to go back too later. It was about six or eight inches from the top of the head to this limb, and I had seen my dad walked that way tons of times coming back from Harting. He was five eight, so I immediately knew whatever that was huge. Then the color I've tried to clean, it's the people lately and the best now and come up with to put the picture in her head. It's like the color of a Hershey's milk chocolate bar,
just a little darker. Not the rapper, but the actual bar. And at that distance people that I don't know that they think it's a long ways. But when you go, when you hunt or you shoot long distance, or if you do things or you observe, you have a job where observe things, at that distance, you could if my dad was standing there, I could tell you what kind of boots he had on. I could tell you his blue jeans as he got Khaki's own. Does he is camouflage
on? I could tell the belt line, neckline, hat or no hat. Right, this was all one color, pretty much the same color all the way. And I had the thought run through my head, like my daughter to run, my daugher to leave, but I couldn't take them. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. It was looking up the hill and this was the shortest point to this Houthaffelfield that always had there in that pretty much. And I'd walked that way several times, and I'm glad I
stayed because at that point, but it's something big. It's one color, but getting to see the motion of its body and legs as it walked up the hill in its thick grass. The old man that owned that place was really he's really old, so they didn't bushog it as much on that hill. He would pay somebody over a couple of years, three years to go
there to keep it keep the woods from taking over. And so when you walked up through there and the grass was intertwined from the last growth and you had to pick your feet up, you couldn't walk through it with your feet
that you had to pick your feet up. And my little fat tail had to pick my foot up, throw it out to the side and over at But I was already I'm six foot, I was already almosked that anyway, knowing how I walked up through there, and other people I saw walk up through there when it started to walk, just go back before it started up right as I thought maybe maybe I should run or whatever, this thing turned and looked at me and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see wod right
back after these messages. But it didn't turn its head like we do where you put your shoulder your chin over your shoulder, left or right. It did turn its head, but it turned its shoulders also when it turned at the waist a little bit, and the right shoulder came up, left shoulder dipped a little bit, and it looked at me, and I'm like, oh, no, I couldn't see any faceful features, but I was looking
at a monster in my head. But then I guess, because maybe that I had been hunting those woods for six years or so, maybe it knew me. Maybe it knew I wasn't a thread because I had some stuff happened before this that I never put together until later. But so when it started up the hill, it's motion that if the audience can picture a walking horse, a Tennessee walking horse, when it throws the legs up and over. It wasn't that exaggerated that high, but that was the motion. And when
it stepped over the grass, it had just a little body lane. Where it would have took me three to five minutes to go that distance, it went in a few seconds. And I told you before the whole this whole encounter was only about twenty five to thirty seconds, which is a long time when I hear these encounters. That's a I know somedayre a lot longer, but that's rare. And my deciding factor on that I wasn't looking at a human was when it walked up that hill, the way it dealt with that
high grass. I even now think I want to ask an expert now that we know it down that I know that they have the flexible foot, would that influence the body lean versus way we would have to lean. So if it could step up in that front pad in the backpack to bend and not put as much pressure on the killies tending like ours, could it walk with a straighter back up the hill? Because I saw how it moved. I've never got the chance to ask anybody that, but that's always been a question.
If I get a chance to ask somebody that knows I won't ask that question. And it went on out of sight, and I stood there for a little bit trying to wrap my head around it, and maybe standing there to sip there's another one comes. I'm just it's just before I saw the thing, and after it was totally different. I changed. I changed how a hunted I would go in. I didn't care. I wasn't scared to be anything. I would naive thinking twenty gage breakdown, shotgun and a two
dollars flashlight was a boss would. I found out real quick that there's things out there that didn't know about, so that that doesn't go away. But here's what I'll make it go away for a while. When my dad got home, I said, hey, I gotta talk to you. What is it. I think I saw bigfoot walk up that hill and go And I didn't even get that out of my mouth. And he's laughing. He said that was probably Beauford walking his farm. I'm like, Beauford's almost nine years
old. He can't get to the mailboxing back. You don't understand what I'm saying. But yeah, and he had a little bit of his hell and mom had experienced. Later, a couple of years later, he came back to me and he's, how big was that thing that you said you saw? And I said it was about six or eight inches or so under that liamb up there and I had already measured. I had been up there and I'm I can reach seven seven and seven six seven seven, depending on the
shooters I've got on. And I went up there and looked, and this thing had to be anywhere from seven three to seven and six is already knew. He took to tape measure up there, and he was denying the whole time. There's no way, there is no way. I said, what did you hear it sounded? How big did it sound? It was massive? And it landed on two feet behind him in the road, jumped the fence after breaking some trees, and ran towards him. It scared him enough
that he came and opened his mind up and asked me questions. So I turned into the little nerd after that for a few years around growing ups from farmers, hey you're seeing you're seeing a big foot? And I had to stop that. When I got in my twenties coast, it was a little more they look at you a little more funny. When you're a kid, you can get by with it a little. But yeah, i'd ask people.
I got some looks that maybe somebody didn't want to talk about something, and I got a few a handful of stories from people like you said, when you know somebody that makes all the difference the world. The people listen right now. They don't know me, they don't know you. They trust you because they they've heard you, they've heard how you handled things. They don't know me. And I'm not trying to convince anybody, But when you talk to people that you grew up with and you know how they are,
some of them you can't listen to whatever they say. I've heard people say they'll climb a tree just to get to tell a lie. But you've got some people you can take it to the bank, and that's the people you listen to. So that's how I got started. You mentioned that you'd had some things happened before the siding and after the siding. Well, so let's take the before the siding stuff first. You mentioned that in retrospect, which
happens all the time to people. I see it all the time on the show, you haven't experience and then you start looking back on things that you'd heard, maybe even things you saw that you just brushed off. What were some of the things that you had experienced before you actually had the siding that now you look back in retrospect might have been connected to possibly being a sasquatch. So there's two that stand out. There's one that maybe if that I
will you mentioned, but it actually makes you think about things. So one time I started hunting when I was eight. My dad saw a large buck in this area, and so being a dad, he built me a stand and put me up there at eleven years old, and he was say he would hunt. Actually he was probably hunting where it was coming, where he could catch it if it got away from him. So I was not scared at all. And one day it was a feeling and I thought I heard
a low growl. Now we had coy dogs that had we had couties that had mixed with a black lab and we had those and I wasn't scared of them as long as I could see them, because you could actually even fire a gun sometimes and not shoot something just to get their hearing. It hurts their ears, so it wasn't really scared of them. But this was different.
And when it did it, and it was real low, it's almost like I can't tell you that I did hear it, if that makes sense, But something caught my attenion and I got this feeling it was just oh no, and I was scared for no reason that I could think of, but it got so bad that I yell. I started yelling for my dad and he came and got me. He said, he said, you probably run a big buck. All now I understand, But whatever that was, I don't know. I can't tell you what it was. But fast forward
to just before the siding in East Tennessee, Northeast Georgia. Within the foothills, you'll get snow, I imagine every now and then, we hardly get it. Middle Tennessee. We had a perfect weather pattern coming in where Friday night Saturday morning, we're gonna get two or three inches of snow, maybe a little more deering hunting season and I'm like, yes, I'm gonna get to go out there and I'm gonna be in the snow, probably not gonna
get anything, but it's it's just beautiful. So I had two places on hunted. And this tree stand that I put up later was at a crossroads, a deer crossroads game trail, and you could look at your watch and know two dos and this was coming through at this time and whatever not scared again, they go up this trail that the farmer had cut out years ago to get his tractor from field to field through the cook woods short woods there, and I just can't believe how pretty it is and the big snowflakes you're
falling. And when that happened, it's quiet. It dampened all the sound. Yeah, you can sneak a little better, but you can't hear anything either. So I'm walking up through there and I'm about it's been a long time since I've been there. I'm gonna guess eighty to one hundred yards fromhere. I had deciding later, so now I'm like, Okay, this field is white. Should I go up the right side here along this dry creek bed or should I cut across diagonally or go around and stay out of sight.
It's just in case they're deer in the wood. And while I'm scanning the field, I look into the woods towards my stand and this what you hear from a lot of people. This feeling of dread just locked me down. And I don't mean, I don't mean it was a little bit. It locked me down. And what I thought, this is crazy. And I tried to take a step on my right foot. I couldn't do it. And I look back into the woods again, I'm like, what is this. I looked where my tree stay was. I couldn't see it because
it was dark in the woods there because of the snow all around. And I had this feeling. It wasn't a voice, It's not a voice, it was it was a feeling that if I went into those woods where my stand was at not I don't know, fifty to seventy yards away, depending on the their direction, I went, that I wasn't coming back out. And that was a very real fear, and so I tried to talk myself out of it. And then you get this jittery sit not like I was gonna throw up, but just I don't know how to put it, just
a jittery stomach in this fear. And so I don't know what made me do this, or even I couldn't do anything. So all I had was what I was thinking. And I thought, if you let me go, I will turn my right foot and go back towards the house and I won't come back today. And it was like dis released. Everything released. I don't know if it's a euphoric feeling or whatever you call it, but I
didn't feel the weight. I didn't feel the jitter in this I didn't feel, and I did exactly what I promised, got back to the house and my mom and dad was like, what are you doing back? You were all excited and didn't want to talk about it and never talked about it for a long time. I said, oh, it's too cold out there, which my dad looked at me funny because usually didn't matter. I'd come back, so can wet thirty degrees And they're like, you're gonna die, You're
gonna catch in pneumonia. So he didn't ask me any questions, and years later I told him what happened. But then you taught learning in reverse. You look at these documentaries and you see where they're measuring infrasound with a line, actually measuring it and asking a guy, hey, what do you feel? And they can lock down a predator, scare him to death and they can't move and heat and this seat I knew I had read that part. This is the part that got me think of the reporter, the guy doing
the documentary or the scientists was talking to him. He said, what do you feeling like? He said, yeah, my stump feels a little jittery, and I'm like, oh crap. It was like when you lean up your clienter, wait a minute and learning and reverse. So I don't know that's what that was, and I'm not saying it it was because I don't know what it was, but it's possible that's what it was. And it was not too far from where the sighting was a little bit later, so
I don't know. I've heard people say sometimes I wished I had enough thing what I saw, but I'm like that, but I'm glad I saw the motion that it used to get see. If I never had walked up that hill, if I didn't have the experience in that area, it wouldn't have meant anything to me. But because I had that experience of using some of mats, be we're traversing this field of death grass. So when you walk gonna asphalt, concrete or whatever, you use your muscle different and it doesn't
you get used to that. But when you have to do a motion that you're not used to, it'll wear you down pretty fast. So, like I said, if I hadn't, if I'd been one of those kids that had a notari and set on accounts all the time, then I wouldn't have got as much from that thirty seconds as I did. If that makes sense, It makes perfect sense, man. And I know you mentioned that you had some experiences later on with the ohio how vocalization, and that you and
Pete had some experiences. Would you go into a sort of fast forward mode and get into some of those encounters. Obviously you've been learning and reverse, so when you had these experiences later in life, you had a lot more to work with, so you were a lot more present in the moment. So let's talk a little bit about what happened during those and then what you think was going on. We can thirty there were thirty five years between that
siding, and we're talking like twenty maybe twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. My mom and dadd sold that acre and bought a farm. They had one hundred forty three acres five miles down the road. It had all the food and water you could think of. I never had the first experience. I never had anything. Note, none of the feelings like I had before, none of the sounds, nothing. And like I said, it don't go out of your mind and you change. I built a real sturdy blind out of
scrap wood, knowing that probably it wasn't gonna save me. It's gonna let me know something's trying to get me. If it was trying to get me from behind, right, it's gotta tear something apart to get through me. Which there you go again. But didn't have any experience at all. Stayed out in the woods there. We had a pond there, pished at night. And you're talking about gents ain't hunted. That's how big the hills were. I know what when you talk about gents ain't nothing. These guys are
going brewery and steep places to go. So when you said that, I've done that, and I know what kind of terrain that they that gens ain't rose on normally, and it's not the easiest thing to get to. So anyway, I did all that there, and there was five hundred acres behind me that I could use when I wanted to. No experience. So anyway, fast forward, Peyton comes home. He says, hey, I got somebody that said I could hunt their place, and I got you permission you
can go with me. And what it was just mainly for us to spend some time together. So I'm not going out in the woods without a gun. I know it probably won't do any good against something that big or whatever, but there's little creators that'll bite you. That's just what we've got them for. So we were hunting, well, we were scouting. I said, we got to go scout this place. We got a couple of weeks. Do a quick scouting and go check the fence lines for crossing, go
check the water sources, the food and all that. Get an idea of the ridges and on. And we're walking to the backside of this place, and we're talking about it's on the south end of this county, extreme south end, and you're talking about rural. When he brings up his hunting out that the housa erst for in between. So we're not thinking about anything.
We're being scouting quiet, we're not being hunting quiet. We're going along and all we start up this little rise in this little stretch of woods behind this pond, and I noticed a tree break. Okay, but tree breaks that happen. But something there's reasons either somebody rides one down like a kid, are doing it a bend. And we had any storm in ninety four, and I learned a lot about trees and how they handle pressure. During that oy storm, and some bends, some snaps, some come up by the
roots. Some are made for that and they handle it well. So I saw this sapling. It was I don't know, three or four inches, maybe five, but it was absolutely just snapped at about the five foot more give or take, and its splintered, high pressure snap, not a bend, not a bend, and a split down it and then it gave way a break, short clean break. It was pretty needed. It was still green white colored in the inside. When I saw it, I pulled headed
me and Peyton. We'd watched the less strow stuff and tied and playing this and that, and I'm like, I look, I'm thinking that's what that that's what they said that was. So we stopped and I said, look around. We could not find any reason. No other tree had fallen. There was no marks, there was the bark wasn't scuffed where it could have been a tractor or a front endloader. There was. It was intact other than it was snapped and laying over. And what happens next is all at
once. I stepped past that so called marker up the hill. Page's looking up the hill. I'm at three o'clock his three o'clock looking at the tree, and I stepped up the hill sideways and turning, but still looking at the tree. My phone was in my pocket. We're not saying anything, and seriously says, I don't quite understand. And I grabbed my pocket right quick because we're in hunting mode kind of. And I look at him up. What right is this is happening? A rock about the size when you
make a double fist together. A rock. I could see it in my peripheral and it landed and it hit another rock and bounced and rolled a little bit and just stopped in the on this downslope and their seedter ticket just fifteen yards away or so, maybe twenty. And I looked at Peyton, and I'm thinking fast, like what is this? What I do? What's my next move? I got my kid with me, and he's old enough to take care of yourself. But if I'd been by myself, I'd have been
scared. Then I'm thinking, whatever it is, I'm gonna take it head on and let him get away or whatever that stuff cross your mind. The fact that was going through my head was not normal either, because if you're you have a rock thrown at you, something has to have thumbs to do that. It's either a person or it's something with a thumb, and that rules out a lot of stuff. You, Maddie, you know how it sent your humor is? He said, Are we just going to ignore that
we had a rock thrown talks to us? I said, no, Peyton, I'm trying to cook up what the next move is. And I think, I said I and we talked about it, and we didn't feel threatened. Two backs. I didn't feel that dread. Let's put that way. I said, I think we need to back down the hill facing it, whatever that is. Don't run, don't trigger anything. We get far enough away, we'll get out of here. We'll talk about this in the truck. And that's what we did. We were talking about it. He said.
The rock wasn't thrown at us like a baseball. It was talked at us. He said, I saw it come. He told me that it came through the seedar, through the top of the cedar in an arc. So if something had been thrown at us, it would have skipped more than two or three times. Is it hit and rolled it didn't skip. There's
a difference. You were ex police officer you hear things. Some people can tell things by just hearing them, whether it's a football where it's something fail, where it's you know, I have to say he's pretty observant and I have some of that too. And when we discussed it, we decided that this whatever was tost and maybe it was whatever it was trying to get us to leave. But by a year later we went back. We didn't go up to that part. We hunted the rest of the We were hunted during
the season, stayed away from that side of that hill. Did smell a few things that did have that death smell, but it was more like a wet dog mixed with decay. And I had a seat with me, a fold out seat, and we were walking in that morning before daylight. I told him where I was gonna set up at and just out of his way. We were walking together and I just stopped folding my seat out and sat down and stay tuned for more se squatch out to see right back. After
these messages, he kept walking. He went up to the top of the hill, got to stand hit the radio, said I'm in, I'm okay, it's okay, ten four, Just keep be careful. I'm sitting there, and I get the moving around just a little bit as it gets starts getting daybreak or whatever. And this breeze picks up and hits me in the back of the neck, just a light breeze, and for a split second, two seconds, maybe I get a will of this. I'm not dead.
Death is. It's different, like decay, like something just funky and then with a wet for wet dog smell. But it was there and then it was gone, and I'm slow. I'm slow up here sometimes and I thought, man, I'd sat down here in a spot where something they had blow it to me. I want the movie. Then it was gone, and I was like, wait a minute. If it's dead, it's not gonna be moving. And the wind didn't changed. So I got on the radio. I said, Peyton, we got something going between us. Keep
your head on swivel, just keep look down my way. I don't know what it is, but it's funky. He spent up that a couple more times over the years. But we went back to that location of the rock throwing incident a year later because I thought about it a walk. Not think about that, right, So I said, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go up there in the off season and be still. It was fall, but we're gonna go up there, and we're not gonna be quiet.
I don't want to slip up on something behinds and down again. I want everything in the woods. No, we're there and I'm carrying me a gun and you're carrying your gun, and we're just gonna walk and look. Our first goal was to go up the side the other side and come around behind that cedar tree that that little dick get there. I was expecting it
to be a lot of thick cedars up hard to move around in. We were walking up the edge of this field to the right of the property and there's a big opening that we've been through a few times, just the natural natural game trail, but it's like cows used it and everything before. And there's this cross made out of two cedar trees. And I look at him like what the hell, and his eye he's what is this Because we've watched those shows. So I snapped the picture of that and I'm like, this
is nuts. So we didn't go past that though. We lacked our list and last night, so we went up and around and when we went behind that cedar tree thicket. It was wide open. There was a bowl back there that was as far as you could see the top of that ridge, and it was just as big, NOAs woods perf good hunting woods, because
you could see forever. Of course, we always talk about stuff after, during and after, and I'm like, you know what if we'd walked fifteen to twenty more yards, this whatever that was, couldn't got away from us without us seeing it. That was totally the opposite what I was thinking. I said, maybe it was maybe we did peru that reaction, but that Brian, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I just know what happened. I've had air quote tree breaks before where a lot of people would
say, hey, I just heard a tree snap. But you can hear the difference when something stepped on and when something snapped if you're listening. And so the one time I thought back, and I'm like me and my cousin we had I shot a deer and lost it and we found it at night and we were we located the deer, and I had this tree snap,
and then I got to thinking about it playing it back. No, that was a something that could have been a mountline or something coming in for that to get that deer, and it was something big, but it was a footstep and the subtle differences in in that. But you can tell also, you can tell we've got a place we go to now that we had stuff happening. I'm not saying anything about anybody. There's a lot of inexperienced people that misidentify things, and that's okay. That's how you learn. If you
ask somebody knows. I'm sure you've been sitting around with squirrels dropping nuts on top of your head and you can hear them. You can hear if something falls out of a tree like that, it'll usually hit a leaf or a limb coming down and it falls straight down. Now, if they start rolling out to you, then you've got other issues. We've got another piece of
property through family that we've had some crazy stuff happened. I actually I've got a about a five minute video and Mark Newbill took it a couple of weeks ago actually and went through it and we heard we had some sounds that we had this bright idea of the gift because we'd heard some footfalls and some we'd smelled some tomatoes sitting there at night. Had some strange things happen there. For about six weeks, we had a lot of activities, not eveny sighting,
but enough to make us keep going back. And this next part I joke big Foot don't like oranges, apparently because I thought it's something. I'm sorry five games I made something mad. So it was either the apples of the oranges or it maybe because we were going in there too often too. But I have a video with audio, and you've got a tree snap. You have what what we thought was a boulder that was tossed. There's a
huff and a growl, and an iPhone is pretty good. But as far as for sounds, it's it doesn't catch the you know how loud it is. So I was really impressed that Mark pulled these sounds out of there. And he had the I don't know what is it a grouse or some kind? Yeah, and so what it does? You know how it works. It'll tell you what it's not a lot of times or what it is, but depending on where it falls. He called me, he said we need
to talk. I said, okay. He said some of this stuff, he said, it does sound like a tree break as I know that's what it was. And he said, but these howls that you're talking about, he said, there's two of them, and you respond to them. You and Paint both respond to them. And you're right. You say it's not a it's not a coyote. That's strange, he said, But there's two that you don't hear. I'm like, oh, and now this is his
this is what he told me. I'm not he said. The way this works, he talked about the number of the range that stuff falls in a corridor slamming or woolf for a cold year old bull or whatever. He said. It's none of that, he said, But what it falls into the range of is what we usually look at film that we think it is more or less legit, and compared to other sounds that people say are legit, he said, it falls in that range of what we think would be a
bigfoot. And so I sat down on the bed and I'm like, well, at the time, I was pretty sure there was something big. We could hear it walking, and it may be more than one because the calls are two different directions. I was watching it for the first time. The duration of the call is almost the same every time, but it's different, and I never had heard anything like that. And from Mark to tell me that I don't know. I'm trusting him with his nut reading the numbers or
whatever, and I assume he's done a lot of this. Somebody told him I had it and he contacted me. But it's on I'll share it. I'll share it to you. I've got it on YouTube. I'll send you the link afterwards and let you listen to it and what he did the old five minutes so you can see our reactions and here be there with us. So he's got the video running too at the same time. And there was
a few things that happened before. That is why I turned the camera on, because that hoof growl, there was so much a volume of air coming out of what it sounded like two nostrils that it's scared. He did me a favor and took out some cuss words that I didn't realize. I said, and here I again, I've got my son out there and this is going on. And we got back to the truck and plugged it in to
turn the speakers wide open. And when I started hearing those sounds, I was like, yes, they may not be that clear, but men, that's what we heard. That's all I needed. I didn't need anybody to hear it. We caught it, We got it on film. It's scared to crap up of us. It happened, and you saw how big he is. He said, I'm not going back in there again. But anyway, we've had some strange things happen. Then some of it goes along with
the research we've done in reverse and everything. And since I told my story is the first time and you've probably dealt with this more than me. But I was astonished at the amount of local people and people contacting me and saying hey, not only hey, I saw or heard something, or I found this or that, the ones that say thank you for telling your story because I can't tell anybody because of my child. But the main thing is it
made me understand what I heard and what happened to me. Then they're like, hey, word, I need to go look, and they trust me because I cannot. I wouldn't do that to anybody. You lose your trust, lose trust, that's all you've got. My dad told me, all you have. He's the only thing you own in this world is your reputation, and then no amount of money can get it back for you. People that want to listen those sounds. I'm not telling you what it is. It says, hey, this is here. If you're an expert, you
tell me what it is. But we got it. That's all you can ask for. Because if I had a clear picture right now, one in my backyard hanging out with me, wouldn't nobody believe it? A picture in a video. They're not going to prove anything to these skeptics or the scientists. You know what it's going to take. And until that happened. I'm gonna make a prediction tonight, whatever the date is, because I've seen some stuff. I've been trusted and showing some stuff on phones and stuff like that
people will not share because of the naysayers. They're gonna pick it apart. They're gonna call them liars, they're gonna whatever. I've seen some things on trail cams that I could see the veins, the tendons absolutely stunned. Look, I'm skeptic. I saw one. I have stuff happened to me. But my first thing is to rule out or try to explain it away. And then if I can't explain it away, then I've made Hey, Brian, who do you think this is? If I know somebody might know,
that's how I try to do this. And I'm make a prediction tonight that once science proves that it's for real, you're gonna see some amazing video pictures come out because those people that are holding the back right now because the trolls on Facebook and on social media, they're hurting their self. They want to learn all this stuff. But it'll tell you prove yourself to people that you can be trusted and that you're in this for the right reason. You'll never
see it unless you go get it yourself. And that's just my prediction now. May be wrong, and y'all can laugh at me ten years both. And I'll tell people this. That was my first convention, whatever you call it. And we were sitting at a table because they didn't have enough place to sit over to eat, and there was this older man. He was there. We got to talking. Peyton went to the restroom and I said, why are you here? Are you a fan of the show? That's
what I started. When are you fan of the show or whatever? He said, No, he said, actually I had something to show Matt Moneymaker and he's coming to my place. He took they took my information down. There was the clearest trackway on it, like a tarred chip road. You live in North Carolina, you know what a torret chip road is. You know, in the summertime when they get hot, if a dump truck comes out there there, they'll they'll mash it down a little bit. It gets
soft because the heat. Something walked out of it after a rain walked out of his driveway he was walking his dog. There was about twenty tracks. The left foot was clear as they it had some kind of gray clay ash type fine stuff on the foot. The right foot wasn't his defined, but there was. He said. It was about six foot in between the strides. By the time he got researchers there was a couple of weeks, had rained on it a couple of times, but it was so compacted into that
tarred chip, I don't know, asphalt or whatever it was. Still you could still see it. And I could clearly see left right, left right, And I was just stunning and what this man had and it. He wasn't a big footter, he said. He showed it to Matt and Matt eyes got big. So where do you lived? He said, fifteen minutes from this convention sent which might have been fifteen miles. It takes me two hours to go fifteen miles in the mountains. But but yeah, seeing that,
there you go again. I'm not trying to be convinced. I was so glad that Peyton got to see that, because he's heard things, and he said things happen to see that. There was these nobs people out there, And I tell you what I want to listen to. Somebody hid the story told to me and this guy never I asked him, you ever watched to find him midfoot? No? You ever look at YouTube? No you ever do this? No, he wasn't a researcher, wasn't. He just
had an experience that was pretty pretty awful. And he didn't know about the screams and all that. So that's when he came to me. When he heard me at work. They found out that I had talked on a podcast or whatever, and I expected him to laugh at me. And the first thing they said in office and he needed to talk to Jimmy. I'm like to I, why do I need to talk to Jimmy? And Jimmy said he saw a big foot and I said, y'all need to talk to Jimmy. So I go to him. And he was in the military thirty five
years ago. He said at Procidan. There's a edc over Colonna, Tennessee. They were guarding the train tracks the entrance to the base there. And he said there was five gunner stations and there was four of the guys with him. There were singles and they were guarding the tracks, he said, Roger, and the moon was bright enough. We were you know, we didn't have any lights or anything. We're sitting there being quiet. He said, I saw something coming from the left. It was on the tracks,
walking in between the tracks. And I told you their story and he said it was huge and I got to looking at it, and he said the only thing could be was a big foot. And he said, this is nonchalant, he said, and it must have been a female because they had a baby. It was carrying a baby. You know. Me, I was like, I'm like, if you watch, he shows you what you know what he was. He know, he didn't know anything about the end of this, and he had talked to the other guys and they confirmed what
they saw, but they decided not to tell anybody. So anyway, he was talking and I'm like, I'm gonna ask him a question he's not expecting. I'm gonna get his reaction. I interrupted him. I said, how was she carrying the baby? And he'd leaned back and he said, I guess caring is the wrong word I've been using all these years, he said, because the baby was latched on to the shoulder, holding on, and she just had her hand under it to keep it from just in case it
fail. And I was thinking, yes, if he'd been lying, he would have made that up. But he even thought herself, maybe I've been using the wrong word all this time because she wasn't carring it that baby. It's been fun, it's been interesting. It's been a little scary too, But once you get into it, like you, I heard you today talking with Byron. Do you hear these sounds? You hear things that you think maybe what it is. It's like Peyton, he wants to know and he
don't want to know. He said, yep, he said. He said, I'm I'm different. He said, I'm I want to see one and I'm done with it. I'm doing other stuff. He said, once I confirm it in my head, I don't know anymore. And then he gets to listen listen all this other stuff with the woo stuff and everything, and he's like me, I keep an open mind because he said something that was very smart. He said, Daddy, I gotta keep an open mind to that, because he's an animal person, always has been Steve, from Steve
watching Thieve Irwin growing up to studying animals. He can say, hey, you've ever seen a main wolf from South Africa away or whatever? And they look like and I'm like what, and he will tell me something like just as random fact, we were coming back from the conference, he said, I gotta keep an open mind because we heard some stuff like that up there too. And he said, and the reason I got to keep an open mind is he said, can you imagine the first floe would come back?
After saying a chameleon Trying to explain to his buddies, he said, if a chameleon and an octopus can change colors, what can some of this other stuff do that we don't know about. And I'm like, holy crap, that's a good way looking at it. Like I said, I have some coffee, so I'm probably talking too much. No, that's been great man.
And to his point we've talked about that so many times on the show is I don't necessarily think some of the high strangeness or the woo part of Bigfoot that enters in some of these encounters is that far out there, because we don't know what these things can do, and what they can't do, and frankly, what they are. So that's why I keep an open mind, even when it's really out there, like one of the recent shows that
I've had. We won't get into that, but people have some really out there strange experiences, and I don't close my mind to any of that. I think it's possible, like you said, chameleons and some of the other things that exist in nature. The first time that somebody saw a platypus, can you imagine trying to go back to your fishing buddies and saying, Hey, I was fishing in this weird little thing that laid an egg and it's
crazy man. That's probably where cave growlings came about, because they laughed at I'm like, then we could find it later from your previous work experience, I could see something you could see something. It's like witnesses. If you have seven witnesses, you're in trouble. If you've got two, you're probably gonna be. Okay. I could see something and I describe it, and I'm gonna have a lot of words and I'm gonna describe. Then I'd say I saw this bubble. Then you have the guy that says, Brian says,
did you see a big foot? He said, and it was big, And that's it. And we interpret things differently, whether it sounds or whatever. And that's why you've gotta be you gotta rein it in sometimes because everything's not a big foot, everything's not whatever. And you can get that way if you're out here in the woods. Even knowing better. Sometimes I've learned so much about other animals in the last six months that's worked it to me. I've had to go I've heard stuff and had to go look at
YouTube and Peyton's and notes that's or whatever. I'm like, no, and he's to go right to YouTube. So yet listen, he's right on top of it. So I didn't know it make that sound. So I'm learning a lot doing this, and as long as it don't get torn to pieces, I guessed it to be a good It's okay, But I don't go into this. I know I'm not gonna get that piece of evidence it's going
on. If you got out here like Cliff and all these guys that are actually casting foot prints, and I've never found a foot print, I wouldn't know unless it was just real obvious. It's more or less still just trying to learn things and spending time in the woods when my signe and my wife she'll go sometimes. And like I said, I don't need convincing. I really don't know why I'm doing it. You get cooked on it a little bit. For me, man, it's just the stories and the connections with
people. I love meeting people and having conversations with people, Like I met you and Peyton for the first time in Tennessee and we became fast friends, man. And it's really about the connections that I've made with people that have followed me throughout this, and I've talked about it so many times on the shows. I've met people I'll probably be friends with for the rest of my
life that I would have never even had the opportunity to talk to. We'd never have met had it not been for this show and Bigfoot, So if nothing else comes out of it, in my opinion, for me, for the rest of my life, I will continue to meet and hang out with some of the coolest people on Earth. Man. So I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your stories. Man. I had a blast hanging out with you guys and the Smokies, you and Peyton. Like I said,
we're up. I like for my weekend and I can't thank you enough for coming on and spending the time that you spent tonight sharing your information and your stories. Man. I appreciate you allowing me too, because because some of this of us, this is like therapy in our way where you get it out there, or there may be people that hadn't heard my story maybe people
that have. And it's all in the timing because, like I said, before twenty twenty five years ago, people couldn't talk about this stuff because of obvious reasons. But shows like Monster Quest, Find the big foot Sasquatch Odyssey, whatever, it's normalized it to a point where gives people a little more confidence that they can come to Brian and say, hey, I need to
tell you something. And you probably get people that say I want to tell you something, but I don't want to be on the area and you might can relay it, but those are the pieces of the puzzle I was talking about. You can say, hey, this was in certain county in Alabama, but if you have researchers, then say what time of year it was, what was going on? It may be that piece that they need. So yeah, it's it's a little freeing. And I appreciate you for and
allow me to talk about this. And I know there's some people gonna be like piece of beloved or whatever. But if you want to know, find these places. You A lot of these people are going to public land. Go talk to these people before you judge them, because there's some very intelligent people doing this way above my level. But that's how you learn. If you're around people that are dumber, then you you're not gonna learn anything you
actually get down there with them. So if you were going to learn how to play the guitar, what do you do? You go to somebody that knows more than you did. That's how you do it. It's good for me because most everybody knows more than I do. So I've been a good spot right now. They say you don't gotta go home, but you just, Oh, I don't want to be alone the world out that I'm trying to try that time everything Come right back, ride baby my joy for me,
Joy, stay right now, I'm coming right away. Days sassoutout for me, come talbot about things and uses us and use us and uses