Hey, everybody, this is Less Striving. Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odys. Hey guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odessey. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Wednesday. I hope you guys are having a great week if we have an amazing show lined up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me
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different. I get asked often to come on other podcasts as a guest, and I really do enjoy having those kind of conversations because it gives me an opportunity to sort of let my hair down, if you will, and do something a little bit different, And in addition to just being a whole lot of fun for me, it also allows me to highlight some of these great podcasts out there and some of these great podcasters that are doing some phenomenal stuff.
Encryptids of the Corn with Jay and Justin is no exception to that. These guys are super smart, they're super funny, and they're really fun to hang out with. We had a great conversation. It starts a little heavy in the beginning because we're talking about a hoaxer and it was sort of fresh on my mind, so I was a little bit bent out of shape about it. And then we get into all kinds of things. We talk about the Patterson Gimlin film, we talk about the Sasquatch archives, We get into
all kinds of stuff. It was a really, really good conversation. If you don't already listen to those guys, look up Cryptids to the Corn on whatever podcast app you're listening on and give those guys a listen. I think you'll really enjoy what you hear with that. I am putting together chapter nine of dog Manter in the Woods that will probably be out next Wednesday, if
not this weekend, I don't know. We may do something a little different and post that on Sunday, but stay tuned for that it is coming. But for now, I know you guys are ready to go. I'm ready to get into it. Jane Justin are ready to go. So I'm gonna let the music play. You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Hello, Hello, and welcome back. Decryptis of the Corn Podcast. I am the Great and Powerful Mystery and I am the Infamous Jay Today. Oh it's not just us today, Jay, who are we with? We
are joining today with our special guest Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey. Welcome Brian. What's up fellas? Haven't seen y'all a month the Sundays and I'm Sundays. No, thank you for covied on. Everybody at home doesn't realize just like I slept until right when, like Brian was already in the little chat room. Then the broadcaster stopped working and then I exited off of everything, and so he's been great, but he's been patient. It's been fifteen minutes or
trying to get this rolling. Very patient. I think you're still like I'm pretty drunk. Yeah, I think so. But the green room is so nice. You guys had it set up with the colorful eminem's Like I like you had the champagne, which just I've just been chilling man like like VPP style. I love it. We even took all the blue Eminem's out for you, just as you requested. I'm glad that they sent that over as a prerequisite. Have you ever heard that story? I have? It was
Okay, I forget who it was. I think it was, Oh, the guy that it's not Aeronsmith, the lead singer that literally sings a song. Dude looks like a lady. But Steven Tyler. What band is that? I think is that band? But Steven Tyler brand? I can't remember. Way, it's a way too roways to be thinking about all. Yeah, I know it's my gears are so the hamster wheels so warming up. Kyler looks like a lady. Yeah, now that's that's he does. Yes, now, Brian, what you please do all this stuff and tell everybody
where to find your stuff and all that good stuff. I haven't heard of Sasquatch Odyssey by now, and you are listening to us. I don't know what you did because you pass some big shows to get over here. Yes, Squatch Odyssey is everywhere you can find podcast. Yeah, I do the Sasquatch Odyssey podcast. I do quite a few shows. We have a the Paranormal World Productions Network has a ton of shows. We have the Sasquatch Odyssey, we have a Paranormal Odyssey, True Crime Odyssey, and we've added a
couple of more shows. We've got the guys from the Kentucky X Files and the Basement hang Out just joined the family a couple of days ago. We made that announcement on the show. So we've got a little bit of everything for everybody. We've got a full network of shows, but any of them you can find YouTube. We've got a Sasquatch Odyssey YouTube page. That's really
the only show Pandorm Waysse has. It's on YouTube as well, but primarily anywhere you get your audio podcast, anywhere you listen to the Cryptids of the Corn, you can find us. So perfect. Yeah awesome, But yeah we met will we meet you in person? In? Was it? North Carolina? Right? North Carolina? And that was a lot of fun. That was a hell of a drive for us. Oh yeah, it was. Well, yeah, what state are you out of? I don't know. We ever said we got to talk about that. Yeah, I live
in North Carolina. I was born and raised in Georgia, but we're in North Carolina now, the metropolis of Lenore, North Carolina. That sounds like the mega city of eight Ohio. Yeah, that's like a population. We did to have a college would be like a population and like the double digits. Well that that well, come on, if the college disappeared, that's like your family and my family. Yeah, yeah, enough to make the plastic back. I tell everybody we're near Boone, North Carolina, where Appalachian
State is. Most people know where app State is, so we're about forty Yeah, it's from there. So oh my gosh, oh careful, sorry, things are popping up. The screen was getting dark. Oh gosh. No, but yeah, thank you once again for coming on. Jay, you go ahead. So just to get things started, I mean, we've noticed things on your social media and posts that have been going around lately, and we wanted to we wanted to kind of bring up that topic. There's
a photo going around recently of an alleged pair of sasquatches. I've first seen it posted on your social media, and I think maybe just that's where I seen it, Yeah, because I think the first one I've seen those the one where you politely said, like, hey guys, I've been sent this like sixteen times or something like that, and I'm like, I get that, Like literally people will send us the same video like I mean, quite
a nice. It's nice. It's just it's like people don't realize that, like, Okay, you're the thirty second person in an hour that's send this. But we appreciate it, but it's hard to respond to everybody. Oh yeah, absolutely, So I just wanted to ask you about when evidence and photographic evidence is brought forward and we get to see something. Yeah, that's pretty special because you know, pictures of Sasquatcher fairly rare, you know,
especially authentic ones. So this one that was posted to your social media, it's created quite a little bit of buzz, i'd say recently, but I think we have some opinions about it. Yeah, I definitely do. Man, When it first popped up, well, this guy sort of popped up on my radar a couple of years ago with some of the audio stuff that was being posted, and people were sending me that and I just you know, I took a lesson to it and it was just ridiculous to me.
It was almost laughable. So I just moved on and didn't really think about it, and then this picture kept popping up over the last I don't know, six or seven days. I think the first person I really saw talking about it was Steve Calls on his channel. Steve kind of did a little quick four or five minute breakdown. It was a very simple and straightforward to me that this was not an authentic picture of any sasquatch. It was a mask. Yeah, before it started going all screwy. All right, and
we're back. I don't know, I'll leave this in for the technical difficulties update, but the road cast or two pro just died, so we're going back to old faithful. Hopefully you can still hear us. And it's not the computer that's dying. Yes, everything sounds good, all right. So we were just taught starting to get into that thing that that mask that looked like two trash cans that were shoved together with some plexic take. It just
looked horrible. That's the mask looked awful. What was it like a master froom party city. Let me let me pull it up while you guys talk for a second, because it's just if you've seen it, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it on our Well, I think I think you shared it. I may have shared it to ours from his Yeah, but I remember when it first popped up. I was like, hmm. And then Brian, I believe I saw you change the rest or the brightness of
it. You said, right, yeah, I lightened it up. It took five seconds to lighten it up on my iPhone and it was even more apparent at that point that this was a mask. So I went to the YouTube channel the guy who shared it, and he did this video, and literally like four minutes and thirty seconds into the video, he's talking about how if you don't believe this is a sasquatch, you're not enlightened and you just don't understand and blah blah blah, typical hoax or stuff. Right, So
then he says, feel free, everybody go look scour the internet. You're not going to find a mask like this, right, you know, My cop brain went off and I'm thinking, Ay, if this is legit, why why are we talking about looking on the internet for a mask and telling
people they're not going to find it either. A, You're very confident nobody's going to find a mask like this because it's a real sasquatch, or you know that this mask was changed altered, You've done something to this to make it unique enough to where nobody's going to be able to just post a link to say, hey, here's the exact mask that this guy used. Right. And then you know when I posted it on and I polastered it in
a lot of big foot groups. Right, I'm in probably six year big foot groups, and I just plastered it everywhere because I wanted to people to understand that this guy needs to be called of the carpet for what he's doing. Right. It's not my job to do that. I don't typically do that a lot. I famously have called Todd standing out over and over and over over the last couple of years, and to the point I'd get emails to for my listeners say and stop giving this guy, you know, any
credit at all on your show and talking about it. But I think it's important because Todd has a ton of followers. This guy has a ton of followers. He's got seventy one thousand subscribers on his YouTube channel that are eating the stuff up and go I go into the comments and look at the comments, and it's like oh, please tell Neff that we said thank you for finally showing his face. And I'm like, are you been able delusion on
it? Like this is unbelievable that these people are not only buying into this, but they are They're just worshiping at this guy's feet and this is clearly crap. So yeah, he started commenting, and you know, he got a little heated in this comments with me. He's saying, you know, it's all real, you just don't understand it. You're not enlightened. You've never seen one, so you don't understand. And I was like, yeah, dude, I think you're full of crap. Why don't you come on
the show and let's talk about it. If you want to have a real conversation, let's not do it over Facebook comments. Come on the show and let's have a conversation about it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit I don't think I am. But if you can convince me otherwise, then I give you the platform to do it. Of course, it was immediately You're throwing out tide standing and inviting him on the show is just you know, you're just trying to bait me in and I
don't have time to talk to people who call me hoaxers. And I was like, well, you should probably make time because there's a lot of people calling you hoaxers and calling you a hoaxer. And if you're not, then come on to defend your position. And of course he's not going to do that because he can't control the narrative. Right, There's a big difference between
talking over Facebook messages and actually speaking in person, big time difference. Yeah, there's a lot of keyboard vigilantes, but when you want to get face to face, even through a computer screen and have a conversation, they tend to go away. They're not there anymore. Yeah, it's funny how that works. Yeah, it's like people are too scared to get punched in the face anymore. I don't know if you can that. That's the computer,
Like people will say everything they want through the computer. Oh then in person. Yeah, then in person, that's what I'm saying. I'm sorry, my brain is melting. But yeah, it's like all these like there's a lot of I know a lot of people like that. They'll just say there's that safety net with being in the internet, Like I never have to leave this room. Now, I can tell everybody I've seen all of this stuff,
and I can tell everybody this is how it works. And anybody tries to fight me, I can just block them and report them and yell call you call them bad names. And well, like Brian said, control and you're controlling the narrative. Yeah, yeah, So what do you think this kind of does for the Sasquatch community, these kind of hoaxes. Well, it's the same thing with everything. It sets us back because there are tons
of people who believe that's real. So say somebody goes out tomorrow and gets a photograph of a real Sasquatch that's close up, like this guy's purporting this to be and it doesn't look like that. Those people who are bought into that narrative are gonna say, no, this guy's stuff is real. What you're presenting is not, and this is a fake and it's not. It's kind of the same thing with the Todd Standing stuff. The best thing we
had, in my opinion, was two things. We had the Paterson Gimblin film in sixty seven, and we have the Paul Freeman footage from ninety two, and those are pretty compelling in and of themselves, right, and people are still debating that we're actually I'm speaking at a conference in Idaho in August and me Cliff Bragman, doctor Jeff Meldrum, I think we've got some other
people. I don't want to say, we're still in the works of getting folks there, but we're gonna have a little round table and talk about the Freeman footage, because it's still even after all these years, we're talking about
it. But you see that, and it's really good footage. And then fast forward into the early two thousands, I think it was, here's Todd Standing bursting on the scene and he comes out with these videos that he's posting of HD quality super high definition, zoomed in pictures of what he purports to be a Sasquatch. Now there's one hundred plus thousand people on his YouTube channel seeing those. They're seeing this Discovering Bigfoot documentary, and then that becomes the
new standard for anybody who's out there researching Sasquatch and bringing evidence forward. There are tons of pictures out there, there are tons of videos out there. I believe that people have captured at these things that will never see the light of day, because it's not hdequality, right, it doesn't look like what Todd's presenting a sasquatch, and we'll never see it. So he set the President and the bar so high with a hoax because I don't believe for a
second those are real sasquatching any of those videos. I don't believe it at all. And of course the first thing that happens with everybody when you talk about this stuff is prove the hoax. Prove it. Where's the mask? Where's the link to the mask. And I'm like, dude, I'm on Facebook fighting with people way too much time. I'll admit I went down the rabbit hole, you know, going to the toe with this dude. I
gave it way too much of my time. But I'm passionate about it because it sets everybody in this community who tries to do this seriously way back. But that's the thing that everybody comes up with. The people who buy it, and I say it all the time, people cringe, but they're drinking the koolaid, right, They're drinking the Jim Jones koolaid. There's always people out there who want to who want the drink, right, And he's got
these people hooked in hook line and sinker. They're the ones coming out and defending him, saying, prove the hoax. If you can't prove the hoax by showing me the mask, then everything you're saying is false. You can't prove it any more than he can prove that it's real. And I'm like, okay, if you can take a look at the totality of the evidence, and you can look at the photograph and you can see the lightened version
I did. There's other people that have done complete our videos breaking this down, showing where these two photographs that we're talking about is actually supposed to be the same thing, taking just seconds apart. That's the other part of the story. You see those two images together. But he claims that this Dwayne guy or whoever sent him the pictures, took one just stepped out of the back of his house for whatever reason and just decided to take this random photo
of this random fence with a blanket and a shovel on it. He takes a couple of pictures in sequence, and he didn't notice anything, and then he looks back later and here they are. And he's had these photographs for three years, and just recently the Sasquatch told him that he can post the pictures. It's okay for you to post my face now. It wasn't three years ago, but now all of a sudden, I'm ready for my cameo. I'm ready for my close up. Mister Demil, post my photographs.
I think you might have wrote it on a chalkboard. I'm not really sure how that happened or if you got it tell me ethically, but you got all this stuff going on. And if those people can look at that and look at the photograph and really study the nuances and the missing there's missing artifacts that are there in one photograph and then a second later, the shovel's over here, the blankets over here, the plug that was down here is no
longer in the photograph, all these things. If you can look at that in totality and say, I believe that that's a real size squatching, I believe that he is telling the truth and it's not a hoax, then there's no conversation to be had with you. There's nowhere to go with that, right, I agree, because it's just it's just blind just blindness with it. But though I don't blame the Sasquatch for not wanting to have his picture shared there for a while just yew ugly it was. Yeah, I know
that receding hairline is what I got me. Man, Oh my gosh. The fur is like a straight like it's almost like it's a big plastic piece shoved under the front of a of a hoodie. Yeah. And again I went down the rabbit hole and I searched for there's probably fifty pages open in my browser looking for a mask that could have been altered enough to look like that. And I mean I found some retro mass from way back in the day that were on eBay for like eighty ninety bucks that were similar that could
have been altered. You know. Some of them might have even been sprayed with some paint. I don't know how I did it, and frankly, I don't care. It's just so obvious. Some things are so obvious. You know. Somebody posted a really good comment that I've I've reused and sort of took. It's one of those things where if you have two dogs standing there and one of them is at Chihuahua, and one of them is a great Dane, do I really have to prove to you that the chihuahua isn't
a great Dane or is it just obvious looking at it? Right? Do we have to do the DNA of the dog to say that's at chihuahua, that's a great Dane and this is a stuffed animal. No, you don't. You just have to be intellectually honest and say I looked at that, it's clearly fake and just move on. But people just seem to They get stuck in the minutia of what they want to believe, and they buy into this guy. That's the other thing. I know him. He's so genuine,
he's so caring, he's so sincere. Well, every hoaxer out there is you have to be. They have to be just as passionate as I am on the other side of the fence about what I believe to be the right stance and just wanting real stuff put out there. Let's have a real conversation, Let's be honest, let's approach this from this, use the scientific method, use some critical thinking. I'm passionate about that. On that side, the hoaxers have to be ten times more passionate to draw people in.
How did people sell the snake oil back in the day. They were very passionate about everything that it cured right. It was completely one bs. But you're not going to buy it from them if they're not selling. If they're not selling, you on them first. And that's what hoaxers do, and he's very good at it. He's very sincere. I can watch those videos and say, wow, I can see why people buy into that. But then once you have something like a photograph, you know, the audio stuff
is obviously to me it's laughable. But to a lot of people they're like, I don't know what a sasquatch sounds like. I've never heard one talk, so that could be a sasquatch talking, and it's sinceres he is. I see the buy in. But when you have something that's physical evidence, it's tangible. It is a photograph that can be looked at. It's very simple. You can do it with your iPhone. Just lighten it up and you see that that's not real. It is not a living, breathing creature
of any kind. It is a static object. It is a inanimate object. It is a mask. Stay tuned for more Sasquat Jobsy woman. Right back after these messages, to the point where it's not the arm that he says is laying up on the fence for his close up, it's the freaking material that goes with the rest of the suit that's laying under the head of this mask. It's just laughable to me. I do like to imagine though, that one's just sitting there posting up, posing for the cameras this one
time. I want that actual, authentic Yeah. No, It's like, I think why those people get so big is because there's people. There's so many, so many people, more people than most people realize that have had the flashing counter, that have had that one little, one thing and they see something that they can't explain one time, and then they go to some people like that and they see the showmanship, they see all that, and they're like, oh, okay, I don't feel that's crazy because everybody else
is seeing them like they're they're common, they're out there, they're doing this, and I think that's why people that claim to see them constantly or have that kind of you know, content or whatever, that's why they get big like that. This is because there's so many people. Like you go to conferences, We go to conferences and you have at least once a conference,
some guy or some lady come in. They don't want to be there, and you know, and they just they want confirmation that they're not insane for what they see in the woods or what they see on the side of the road at night. And then they leave and then they just go and then then eventually they go down the YouTube rabbit hole and they hit stuff like this like, oh, okay, I'm fine. I only had the one little
encounter. These people are seeing them every night. You know, they're having them, they're giving them apples, and you know, they're talking telepathically, and you know, they're writing in my house, and it's just it's just so rare to get an actual not just a photograph of video. I mean, yeah, the Patterson Gimlin film and then the film you guys are covering
in Ido. You know, those are probably the two biggest ones, I would probably say, and they're still talked about today because you can analyze it and analyze it as much as you want, and to disprove it is much harder. It's harder to do. And and then there's hundreds of other ones out there that I think, you know, are authentic but they're you know, they're little quick flashes of something hand or you see this, or you just see something tiny. I mean that's lord. Yeah, there's just some
weird ones. You ever seen that one? This one I always actually want, never really asked anybody about, but there's one where you might know what I'm talking about. Like, guy, there's like a they're filming. It looks like a sasquatch sitting kind of like on the side of this hill call covering leaves and it's like dead trees, and then it stands up and like throws a stone towards the camera. Have you ever seen that video? I
think I have, at least in part. I think I've seen what you're talking about, and it's just it's really quick and it's hard for me. I feel like we've gotten a lot better at determining what is authentic over since doing this, you know, but that video still always stands out to me is if that is fake, I don't know how they did it because it's like a five foot long arm and it throws you can see the stone flying.
Sizeable rock. Yeah, like it was the stone the size of a rock, the sizeable sizeable a sizeable rock, Okay, I was like, you really do you have lack of sleep right now? But you know, a softball sized stone. But for anyone to have a costume or you know, a suit that can actually grab a physical object and toss it with some decent accuracy, that's more impressive creating a suit like that than actual authentic video. But I think that one may be authentic, but there's a bunch of
those out there that maybe may not be. But it's up to the it's up to the person the viewer to discern between the two. Like you said, you gotta put your hat on your cop hat or investigator's hat, all your hats, like Daryl Sims taught us. Yeah, And that's the thing that bothers me. There's still people even to this day. It's funny. I don't get on social media as much as I used to, and I
just don't have time to peruse through all the groups and stuff. But it's funny when you see that one person, like you said, who probably had some kind of experience and they go down the rabbit hole and they're trying to find some sort of validation for them experiencing what they experienced, and they run across like Tide Standing, right, and they're posting this link to these videos like nobody's ever seen it before, and they're like, oh my god,
look what I found. It's this video of this it's a closeup of what I saw. It's a sasquatch. And then you're like, oh, it's a Todd Standing video and I'm like, god, you know, but those people are legitimately seeing this for the first time. That's what people don't understand. All of us know who Todd is, that we all know who this
dude is because he's been hoaxing for ten years or whatever. But there are people out there who are coming into the subjects literally every single day, and they're stumbling across this, and of course when you google it, it's been out there for so long, and the zeke it's the first thing that pops up. So they immediately go to these hoaxer sites and they're just enamored by
what's happening. They're lost forever in most cases because they want to believe so bad and there's so little real, tangible video, photographs and other evidence out there that they can really cling to to say, you have that validates what I saw, right, or that's validating what I experienced. So they latch onto that, and then it just becomes this. Then they tell twenty people,
it just grows exponentially. Meanwhile, you have people out here busting their tail to try to bring real encounters to the forefront, real evidence from people who are experiencing these things. They're the YouTube channels that have four hundred subscribers and they go out in the woods for twenty five years and never experience Yet they never get any traction. And it's just the hoaxers that rise to the top instead of the critium rising. It's the crap that rises to the top.
And I do my very best on occasion to just scrape it, what you know, because it irks me. And I'm lucky enough and fortunate enough to have a platform that people actually listen to where I can say, believe what you want. This is my opinion on this. I think this dude is hoaxing, and maybe he's being hoaxed by somebody else. I don't know, but right you don't exactly. I like the cream to the top and to the crap to the top of analogy and then they see laugh that's the
shirt. Yeah, I wonder and I don't want to be a conspiratorial but it does seem like the hoaxing video is more or less do get pushed or do get you know, in the algorithm, But I am, I am its rhetoric, and it's weird how that seems to work. I mean, sure, the Paterson gimmin film will pop up, but it's usually not even the first one. Still, it is, like you said, those hoaxing I just typed in big Foot videos and it wasn't even like the first five. And it's just odd that that is kind of odd to me. Is
that on purpose? I don't know those answers to those questions, but it is strained. It's it's worth being noted. I'd say, well, I think what happens is Jay, it's not necessarily and I'm with you. I think there may be something. There may be a there there as far as the algorithms, and there may be something as far as a larger conspiracy for that kind of stuff to just if nothing else, just to keep it perpetuated and keep it going because Bigfoot makes money, you know, for these YouTube
and these other platforms. I think part of what the problem is I completely lost my train of thought I had something so important to say. It happened. I know it did to that. Shit happens when you get old, man, it's like, oh God. But it's like you said, with the videos not popping up, not being the first one. Here's where I was going. Pat from squatch Talk was on the show I might have been last year. We did a show together. We've done quite a few.
But Pat did a little experiment. He went out into an area in the woods near his house and he randomly took pictures, just pictures of tree and leaves and sticks and whatever. It's pretty thick. I think it was during the summer last year when he did this, and he did it purposely.
He was he was almost purposely taking paradolia pictures for his experiment. And he goes into squatch talk, his group on Facebook, nine hundred or so members in the group, right, not a huge reach by the same subscribers on YouTube, and he puts red circles and draws red arrows around random things, just trees. Nothing there other than trees. And he posted it and says nothing about bigfoot, bigfoot sasquatch was not there. It was these pictures that
I took and it's red circle pictures. I think in the first few days that post reached seventy five to eighty thousand people on Facebook. Now, Pat has interviewed tons of people. He's had plenty of shows. I've been on the show. He's been doing this for ten years, his show talking about Bigfoot. Right. Never has Pat had this kind of reach ever. All it took for him to get that kind of play on Facebook and have that kind of reach in just a few days was to take random pictures and the
comments were flowing in. I see the big foot. Oh my god, it's right there. Oh I think that's a dog man. Oh wow, that's crazy. I see it. It's right there. It's nothing. It's literally trees, literally trees and leaves. But Pat did I mean, he did a follow up show and he's kind of, you know, tongue in cheek. He's laughing about it. He's like, I never knew I had that kind of reach. All it took was a red circle squatch that I didn't even mentioned. He didn't even say that's what it was. All it
took was the red circles. It is that. It blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. I wonder what that is, Like, I don't even understand why, but I get it because I've seen the red circle stuff all over the place. We like saying like people just see it and they share it and they're like, I can see the sassquatch. Yeah, I can see the sassquatch. I can see the sass squatch. Oh, I do have to share. There's one guy on YouTube I follow and and I know, like it's not none of it's real, but he plays it off
as it's being real. And every single one of his cover photos for his YouTube videos have the big red circles in him. But the best part is he'll just be filming himself talking into the camp. Find him and he'll hold up like a cardboard or you know, piece of construction paper or red circle that he made, and he's holding it with his hand. He'll hold it over his shoulder and he'll hold it up like look, and he'll follow something and then put it back down. And but he's being he's actual, dead
serious about pe. Every time I watched the video all the time, it's the funniest thing ever, and I'm like, oh this, I can't tell if this guy is actually being genuine to try to get views or if he's just that that. I don't think he even realized how funny he is. But it is hilarious. But he gets a lot and a lot of views, and he's just talking nonsense the whole time in the video, not even
about big Foot. But oh, it's just great when you see him like slowly raise that hand up and with a construction favor red circle holding over his head into the wood bind them. It is the funniest thing ever. I never trust any red circle pictures if anybody's going out on a hula hoop safari, I just like, it looks like you have to put a big red circle over it. Then how did you see it? Right? Yeah,
yeah you didn't see it. Yeah it doesn't. But yeah, with all the hoaxes and stuff, it really muddies the waters for people to ruin try to discover the truth. And I think that's what all of us, Like I say, the majority of this community just wants the truth, you know, and bad you're gonna believe anything. And then it just it just throws a big wrench right right into the spokes of the tires of the whole movement.
It's frustrating it is frustrating. The only exception to that kind of stuff in my head would be like the Mountain Monsters guys, to where there you know it's not real. I will say, there are still people that die Hard believe everything. We know those guys, we know the Mountain Honests guys, and you know, once they get away from everything, you know, they're just people. They're just guys that go out and make a show.
I know, it's it's fun, it's fun. But there are people because we had our booth next to them at Cryptocon Cryptic Crypticon, and there's people like die Hard, I'm glad you survived the Cherokee devil Buck and like because he was possessing in one of the shows. And we're sitting there not trying try not to laugh because this guy's just like, I'm so happy you're safe with me and my wife prayed for you. We were so scared for you.
It's like, oh, it's so great. Okay, Yeah, Like I'm jealous at I can't do it or we're not doing his show like that, like are we maybe maybe one day, but that's just so that show is great. I love. Yeah, theysey're fun guys. They're they're good guys. But yeah, but there's the people out there that I don't know. The red circles are just ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you understand why people do it because it doesn't take a rocket side this.
Now, if Pat was one of those people, and he's certainly not, he's very scientific in his approach. He's very down to earth. He's very flesh and blood kind of it, maybe at ape in the woods if it exists at all, kind of guy, and he's not going to take advantage
of that. But there are a lot of people out there. It only takes one time to get that attention and understand what it is that you have to do to get that attention, and they're going to keep doing it, and it's just going to progress and get worse and worse and worse as their popularity grows and they can start making a little money. You get seventy five eighty thousand subscribers on a YouTube channel and you're getting forty fifty sixty thousand views
on a video. You do that over the course of a month, you're gonna make money doing it. And then you got more money and more time to hoax more stuff, and then used to become a professional hoaxer. And there's not a ton of those out there, I don't think, but there's certainly been enough people in the community that we have seen rise and fall over the last decade or more, Rick Dy or some of these other people that
have made a living hoaxing people, and it just perpetuates that. So these red circle squatches that people see, even on a small scale, you know, these people can get in these video or these bigfoot groups just like I have on Facebook, and you go to four or five hundred groups and post these red circle squatches and people, oh man, that's awesome, Oh wow, I see it, even if it's five in each group. It feeds that ego, It feeds whatever is missing in these people's lives that cause them
to do that stuff in the first place. And then it just perpetuates it. And like you said, you know, sometimes it's all in good fun. I guess it's all. You know. Everybody says, why are you up in arms about it? Well, because if you take this seriously and you want these answers, and you really do have people on your show who have had real encounters, and you dive into this stuff and you look for evidence yourself, maybe even find stuff yourself. We were talking before we went
on the air. I find stuff on my property and I'm hesitant to share it because I don't want to be accused of being a hoax right, because you know, I never say definitively. I think that's one of the things that people have hoax stuff, and if they're smart, they don't say definitives. Yes, Bigfoot did this. You know, you put it out there and you kind of be mysterious about it and then let people draw their own conclusions. But you know, I found a footprint a week or so ago
on my property in a creek on a hike. I snapped some pictures of it and put my foot in for you know, some scale, and it looks like a footprint of a sasquatch with five toes. You know, I put it out there. I texted it to Doug Hi Chick, and said, Doug helped me out here. Am I crazy? Or does this look like a sasquatch footprint stepped into this creek? He's like yeah, And he even pointed out where it looked like it was possibly a thumb, so it
might have even been sort of a handprint. Doug always sees things I don't see. That's why I trusted his opinion. So I'm like, yeah, I ended up putting it out on my social media and said, look, this is just what I found. I found some weird rocks stacked near it in the middle of the woods, you know, weird possible stick structures and stuff like that. But I never said it was a big foot. I
don't know. I didn't see what step there. You know. It could have been a bear track, could have been a weird beer track, could have been something else. I don't know. It couldn't have been a footprint at all. It might have been footprint paradolia for all I know. But it certainly looks legitimate to me. But I don't put that stuff out there often because I'm weary, because I'm like, you know, I'm calling this dude to hoaxer. And then you know, I found something two days later
and I posted a look at this up here. He does a big foot podcast and he's finding big foot footpoll. Right, that's how we're gonna say, like, how can yeah, how con seen yet? Right? Yeah, you know, we could ever like post stuff like that because you have a platform all based around this stuff, so you can't really go out and
just if you really do find stuff, you just can't like it. Maybe it's gonna be like Okay, yeah you really yeah, Okay, okay, Brian, Okay, justin you really found big foot stuff and you talk about it eight times a week and like yeah that and you can't post it and say definitely this is a big foot track because you you know well enough now, like you've got to be weary of everything and you can't let your own mind tell you like, oh, this is what I'm so excited to see
this. This is exactly what it is. I'm got to share it with everyone. I'm always worries were of those posts two when you see them on social media's this is a you know, this is definitively this, this is bigfoot hair. We found a sample, you know, just all that stuff. It's yeah, you don't really quite know for sure. There's some people
though, that you do trust. I do have like a few people out there that when they post stuff, it's like, okay, like this is interesting, but it's very often not very often that you actually get people that have like repeat, we're talking about your Wisconsin people, Minnesota pea. Yeah, yeah, that you don't have repeat you know, occurrences or a property that is active, you know, and they can I guess, not repeat
results, but they get little things that do happen quite often. And but you gotta you have to be able to discern between those people that are authentic and then those that are you know, like what we've been talking about this whole time, that really like to push just for you know, and it might be monetary driven, you don't, I don't know. I mean,
it's not I guess that's none of my business. But you know, some people, I guess that's how they make a little bit of living or whom full living, a full living perhaps, yes, yeah, I know, But it's that's that's just rough in this whole field, because like I said, at the end of the day, we all just want the truth.
We all want answers, and Bigfoot it's their sasquatch, you know. All that unlocks a key to something, some other truth in the world, you know, that some bigger thing that we're all seeking as well, just the unexplainable things that happen every day in the world that you talk about. But it's a lot of people don't. They don't live in that realm of understanding that these things are happening all the time all around us. But there's something
there, and it's just it drives it. It's curiosity that drives it, and it's just answers. We all, I think we all want answers to that. Yeah, I agree. And I've always anything I've post. If you see anything I've posted online, it's probably been through at least five or six people. Because I'll find something and I'll text it and say, look, I just found this, Like, tell me, I'm not crazy. What do you see? I don't even use well, I don't say I
found this and it's a big foot footprint. Or I've had the apple bitten on my gifting stump here on the property and it looked like some something picked the apple up like a person and bit it and then stuck it back down on a stick. I'm sending that picture to like ten people saying, what does that look like? It looks like you took a bite out of that apple. Okay, well that's what I thought. Could it have been an ungulate? Probably was, It could have been a deer, could have been
anything, right, I never say definitively. And I think that's what it goes back to, is when these people are saying these things definitively. And that's the thing that bothered me about Todd standing so much. Is I am the guy who can take you out and show you sasquatch right, No, you can't, dude. If you could, we would have more pictures and video and these other things that you claim that you have. You know, last year Todd was he was trying his best to get me to come up
and do an expedition with him last year. Over the summer, I was considering going, but I just couldn't make it work with my schedule, and it just it dawned on me one day. I was like, this guy really wants me to come up there and have an experience, So I'll then come back and talk about it on my show and sort of validate. Right, stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. Will be right back after these messages. And I would never do that, even if I went up
there and saw a freaking sasquatch. I said it to him, if I come up there and have if one walks into the camp and sits down at the camp fire. I'm still going to come back on my show and say, I believe your videos are fake, dude. Unless it looks just like the one that's in the video, it's not going to change my mind because I believe, like I think you said it earlier, Jay, I believe that people who do these things, some of those people have real experiences.
And I've said that about Todd. I think he's had real experiences in the past. Maybe he still does on some level. I've had a couple of people on the show who did go on expeditions with him last year and have experiences. One of them said he saw a sasquatch while he was on this from a distance while he was on an expedition with Todd. I believe those things can happen. It does not change the fact that the videos that he put out are not real. It's never going to change that. So it's
the same thing with everybody that does that kind of stuff. You can have a real experience and then it's not enough and you just have to keep pouring on and doing more and more and more, and I'm just I'm over it. There's so much stuff that we could could and should be doing. It's like the DNA stuff. You know, that was one of the most popular parts of I had so many people reason out to me after I had you guys on and say thank you for having somebody come on and explain and talk
about DNA and how important it is. Justin you collected DNA, so you have that experience and that background to talk intelligently about DNA collection because people just think, oh, we'll just get DNA. You know. Everybody says they've got hair and skin and all these other things that need to be tested, and it's not necessarily that simple, you know. And then you have people out there like she who shall not be named with her new projects with DNA,
and I know, I've got dog man DNA. And again you're talking. You're a scientist, but you're talking in definitives, right, you know, know what you have is dog DNA. It's all you have. It's literally dog DNA and something else. You know, you hear somebody with some credibility with their doctor saying these things. People buy into that and believe it. And you can't do that to people, especially when you're talking about something
like this. There are no definitives. Nobody knows if these things are really real. People who come on the show and say, you know, I know you haven't had an experience like that. Brian, you haven't seen one. You don't know these things are real. I'm a no or not a believer. I've seen one, Okay, I respect that, but for those of us who have not had that, and I'm still I'm still on the fence with ninety percent of the stuff we talk about on the show. I'd
love to believe that these things are real. I think they probably can be and are, but then you have all this other noise out there, like and I've I invited doctor Ketcham on the show numerous times for two years. I've been inviting her on the show. She will not come on my show. She's doing another podcast, but she won't because she can't control the narrative on my show. It's just that simple. She knows I'm going to ask those questions. I'm going to call her out on some of these things.
And I think it's it's not being rude, it's not being I'm not calling her character into judge your character. I'm talking about the evidence that you're presenting and the statements that you're making definitively about something that nobody knows anything definitively about. It's just that simple. What do we always say, Jay, that the truth welcomes questions and lies running from questions. I was going on with the expert thing. That's a good one. Oh, the expert thing.
Oh, the thing is the sasquatch expert. Yeah. If somebody starts talking definitives, that's a sask Watch expert. There's no such thing. Red flag A red flag, yeah, not a red circle. That's a huge red flag. Yeah. Yeah. The DNA stuff bothers me deeply, and it's just because and I feel bad for the general public because it's just, you know, it's a very specialized set of knowledge that I was I was lucky to you know, have because that's what I did professionally, is E DNA
and environmental DNA and like sampling species and stuff like that. And you see somebody just hold this thing a big foot for like in their bare hands, and you're just like, well, that samples contaminated. That'll never show anything even if it was real. It's just like my heart drops a little bit every time when somebody's like big foot for holding it disclose to their mouth.
Gabinet. Oh my gosh, there was that one. I can't remember what show was on where it was on a tree, and I'm like I seen him getting out gloves and all this stuff and like get ready to do it. I'm like ah ah, And then one of the other guys goes in just pulls it right off the tree, bear hands, and I'm thinking, ah, well, that's gonna come back inconclusive. Oh yeah, don't people
like you would understand that? Right? Oh my gosh, Like we had sites and keep mind, we would be dressed like to the teeth to do this DNA collection stuff in still get inconclusive sites because we contaminated it with our own bodies. I mean, we're constantly shedding DNA, but when you're that close to this little tiny sample, you know your DNA can really overpower it
pretty freaking quick. But is there any videos and you know, we talked about like the Patty, the Patterson Gimlin film, we talk about the Freeman and stuff, But is there any of these smaller videos that we see all the time that you feel is a little more credible? Oh and went real quick. I was gonna say I hadn't encountered I would not believe in Bigfoot if I didn't see one, I never expect anybody else to because it's something that's just why, like why would you? So it's I've always been like
that. Like when people say they don't believe, are there really against believing? That's more what that's for is like I don't like, it doesn't bother me. I know, I had my confirmation, and that's but I get it. It's it's a hard pilled, a swallow imagine at eight to nine foot tall North American primate running around right on the edge of civilization. It's a heart, it's a big one. But yeah, is there any of these videos that you see that really stick out to you as being maybe more
probable than more hoaxy? Yeah? I think there was one that was pretty popular a couple of maybe a year or so ago. And I don't know if it was Russia or something. It was like a something that was running and I think it was a father and his kid were out in the woods doing whatever, and this thing drops down for a second or two and goes on all fours very chump like behavior. Now, that one stuck out to me. I really my initial response to that one was that looks legitimate to
me. And I've had that situation with one of the Todd videos, Tide Standing videos, that one where that thing's running up a heel, you know, behind him, and it's it's kind of blur. You don't get to see a whole lot of detail or whatnot. But that incline is really steep, and I think I know Todd did a breakdown on this channel of he's confirming his own evidence, obviously, so let's take that with a grain of salt. And when we started talking about it, but that's a pretty steep
incline, and I think he broke it down. And I've talked to other people who have looked at that, and this thing's basically running faster up that heill than a regular person could run down it. Right, That's pretty compelling to me. Yeah, everything outside of that, I think the only thing that really sticks out to me is one of the bigger ones is the Freeman footage. If you see the video as it is online now, it's not
that impressive. But Doug and Michael Freeman, Paul Freeman's son, sent me their version, the non interlaced version, where they've broke it down they've framed by framed, they've cleaned it up, they stabilized it, they've taken away the interlacing. It's just the original film zoomed and broken down. When you
see that, it's pretty impressive to me. I mean, it looks like this thing is real, and it looks like it walks across this path and it takes a baby off of a tree or toddler or whatever, and it looks at gentimate to me. And then you couple that with the footprint evidence that was there in addition to the film, and again you take the totality
of the circumstances. And I didn't believe it necessarily was real until I had the conversation with Michael after he wrote the framing files, and when Doug high Check and Cliff Brackman, Cliff and I've talked about it too. Cliff broke down the film and did his own non interlaced version of the film as well, and he's pretty convinced as he can be. I mean, obviously,
Cliff's like, it's video. It's subjective. No matter what we'd do, how you break it down, there's only so much there that you can take a look at. It's never going to be a one hundred percent given. But if you take that plus the footprint evidence is there. That same footprint has been cast other places hundreds of miles away, and you compare the two side by side, it is clearly the same print from the same purported sasquatch. Right. So you put all that stuff together, that's pretty compelling to
me. But as far as the other videos and photos that are out there, there's a few, like I said here and there that I've seen that make me say that's possible. But it's difficult because there's not a whole lot to go with it. You don't have one to one correlation. It's just this or whatever. You know, you see those where it starts out and it just doesn't make sense. They're filming something that just doesn't make sense film in the back of your barn, right, My brain goes to, why
would you be filming video of that right now? And then boom, something runs into frame or something pops out from behind a tree. That's clear red flags to me. And there's a lot of that out there, and who's to say some of those may be legitimate. You know, if you knew the backstory, you know, if you had a person in front of you saying, well, I was filming because I heard something. I heard something
and I'm like, what the hell is that? So that's all possible, but it's hard because there's not a ton out there, and I think the majority of the stuff. While I talk to Cliff, he had a guy come into the North American Bigfoot Center and show him some trail cam stuff. It's pretty compelling. We'll never see it because the guy didn't want it released. He doesn't want to show it to anybody. He just showed it to Cliff. He wanted his personal confirmation. That's it. Yeah, and that's
it. And those are the ones you really want to see because they're not out there screaming it to the rafters. This is my brand, Nephrotide a year whatever that comes to visit every week. Those are the people you really want to see that evidence because they don't have a dog in the fight. But we'll never see it because they don't want anything out of it. It's just the personal confirmation. Yeah, it looks like a big foot, Okay, that's what I thought. Appreciate it and they're on to their life.
Have you ever seen that? I can't remember if it was a Monster Quest episode or if it was paranormal fact or faked with the big Foot running across like right to left on this big hill slope out in Washington. I think I've seen that, yes, so I think a lot of people have seen
it. But they did a whole episode. I can't remember which show did a whole episode on it, but they actually got the family that was there, and you know, they got they went to the actual spot and everything, and they had I can't remember, like an Olympic runner try to do it at the same time, and he was always like two or three times
longer than the figure and he wasn't wearing a costume. That was one that always just kind of to me because the family, you know, they went to the actual spot, they know they had the They's still the same camera so they could do all that testing and stuff like that, but there's not like a lot you could really look at and be that. But that one is always I don't even remember what show that was on with that one always
stuck out to me because all the data was there. For our show format, we won't do stories that I can't find actual like reports for and stuff like tangible, evidencedgible evidence here, say it's all just here and say, like one time and an unnamed town in Indiana there was a lead mermaid sources say like, where's the sources? Right, Just show me one newspaper article
and I'll do it. But yeah, I like that one. But there's just not like you're saying, like there's just not tons out there you can look at and be like, well, that can't be a guy in a suit, or that can't be CS and that's the other stuff. Now, Oh my gosh, is all that you know, CDDI and video editing and all like AI stuff. Now, oh I'm done with the stupid AI. Wait till we start having AI squatch video. You know many pictures of AI monster fish? I get sent a week through this monster fish? How many
AI ungulates do you get sick? That was the way Jay was laughing. We just had a fight about the word ungulate. Like literally yesterday I said ungulate and Cha's like, nobody talks like that. I albody talks like I
just start laughing. Yeah he describes something, you know, He's like when you compare it like an ungulate too, And I'm gonna start laughing, I'm like an ungulate, only like someone in the biology people to ever like use that word in a conversation and then then turns around the neck today or you just said ungulate, I'm like, ah, but you're right. Everybody says, damn not, I know, I am. This is not my normal
field. I'm used to like, you know, bowling stuff. Yeah, so that and then the Freeman footage is amazing, and then like to me that I don't know. The Patterson Gimblin film is the most the most single analyzed piece of film in world history, and that includes the jfkssassination. And nobody has a definitive answer that to me. Right there sings choirs about it.
If the FBI spent like what we did that episode, what do we talk about the I spent like two thousand hours analyzing it or something some big, crazy stupid number and they came out inconclusive, and it's just like, no, that's I mean, that's the most authentic footage. I think, like long term footage where it's in the frame, the longest that you can
point to is being real. Only six guys have claimed to be in the costume and hate Yeah, that's always a fun part when it's like every couple of years a new guy will come out like it was me, I was Patty. The thing that I've always pointed to was nobody could ever produce the costume itself. Right of course, you know, Peronymus said that he gave it back to Roger Patterson, and of course they probably took it some way burned. And if that were the case, obviously you want to get rid
of the evidence of your hoax. But the guy who claimed here in North Carolina actually the costume designer that did all these costumes, and that he's done that ridiculous video, and I think it was in the It might have been in the making a Big Foot with Greg Long where they do this recreation and he has this weird arm where it's ridiculous. He could never come out.
If he would just have came out and said, Okay, you made the suit, right, Why wouldn't you just make another one, make the exact Patty suit and just lay it out there for the cameras and say, this isn't the exact one, but it's the one I made right after that, and this puts it to rest. But that never happened. It is compelling
to me that it has stood the test of time. One of the things that I found really interesting when I was talking to Todd Prescott yesterday from the Sasquatch Archives, and he has this letha of tons of information on Sasquats. Right, he got all of John Green's stuff, part of what he's found in there, and I'm actually going to put together a show. Todd said I could do it. He was gracious enough to allow me to use some
of the footage. He's got an interview that John Green had from a radio station with Roger Patter and Bob Gimlin like five days after they filmed the Patterson Gimlin film. It is probably the first real interview on any kind of media that's documented and them telling the story and this guy's asking him, he's pressing him on these questions. So it'll be really cool. I want to break
it down. I haven't really done it yet to look at some of the newer interviews with Bob, because obviously Roger Patterson passed away years ago, Bob's still around, so I want to look at some of the differences. Because one of the big things that comes out and the documentation that he got from John Green was everybody thinks that Roger Patterson and Bob gimlan were in Bluff Creek for like a month before they filmed this. They were there for nine days,
that's all. They were there for nine days before this was filmed. And that's one of the things that's got I think even Bob has said over the years that they've been in there for a month, because it just kind of got picked up and ran with. It's like that game of telephone, right, somebody said it or they misheard it, and now it's like the narrative that, oh, they were in there for a month, No,
they weren't. They weren't back What the hell are they going to feed a horse, two horses, three horses for a month in the back country. You can't bring that much food in for a horse. Nine days is probably topping it, right. So just little things and little nuances like that that I find interesting about the Patterson Gimblin film is going back and taking a look at some of those interviews earlier on what did they say five days after it
happened versus what Bob's saying fifty years later. You know, those kind of things. I find it compelling. I think it's very interesting that we're still talking about it from nineteen sixty seven. Right, did you say that's something you're putting together, those interviews and a project you're working on. Yeah, I'm gonna pull that audio from Todd. It's only I think it's about twenty or twenty five minutes. It's not the full interview of it. Yes,
it's twenty or twenty five minutes of them talking about what happened. And it's literally I think it was five or six days after they filmed the PG film. I'm really looking forward to hearing that. I'd never heard it, but Todd now we're talking about it yesterday, and he has permission to use it,
so he's gonna give me perission to use it on the show. So I'm going to pull that audio and pump it up a little bit and do some production and get it where it's a lot more listenable because it was recorded on radio in sixty seven, nineteen sixty seven radio. So yeah, everyone listening, like, pay attention and keep up with Sasquatch, Chotis and Ryan, and I'm looking really looking forward to that. Yeah, we're going to
share that when that comes out. Do you think that the Patterson Gamlin film would be looked at differently if they weren't out there making a documentary about big Foot? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. That was the other thing that we talked about is a lot of people don't realize that Patterson actually finished his documentary. Most people think that it stopped once they got the footage, But they did eventually finish the documentary, and there's actually two versions of it out there.
There's the Roger Patterson version where it's all pro Sasquatch and it's all real, and then there's the BBC version where I think Napier's on there actually kind of poopoo in the film because he never really believed that it was real. So there's actually two versions, and Todd Prescott has copies of both of those. You'll never see the Patterson version because Patricia Patterson and the family controls that he has a copy of it, but it'll never see the light of day.
Yeah, but the BBC version he has, and he's actually released that. I think it's on the Sasquatch archives. Now you can actually go and see the BBC version, But the Patterson version is out there. It does exist. We have to check it out. I have not even I didn't even know that was I didn't know. I never really that's something I never really thought of the documentary that they were there filming. I never even thought about them finishing here. I don't know. If I would have, I'd be
like, all right, that's it if you think about it. Doctor Meldrum has talked about it when I had him on the show. If you ask him what got him into Bigfoot, that's what it is, because he saw it in like he saw it at the theaters I think in like sixty eight when he was like ten years old or whatever. So that's that's what sort of pulled him in. Was the actual documentary that Patterson and Gimblin filmed. They took it around the movie theaters, but you don't see it unless you
were there. Right. It got shown over the next year or whatever, and then it was gone. It's not like it went straight to DVD. Right, If you missed the New Batman movie at the theater, you can watch it on Netflix in a month, or you can pick up the DVD at the Red Box. That's not how it worked with the Patterson Gimlin documentary. But there are copies of it, like I said, and Todd has those copies. I found it interesting, just the story of how he got
It's a pretty interesting story in and of itself. But yeah, I may do something with that. I don't know. I'll have to talk to Todd and see if what I can use off the archives and what I can't. We'll see. Let's see exciting stuff moving forward. Yeah, my brain is still melting. Sorry guys, are we at home all the listeners? No, I just had a baby and he hasn't slept yet, neither of I. Well, I did sleep this morning a little bit, and that's why
I'm in trouble. But no, thank you Brian for coming on. This has been epic. Yeah, this has been awesome. We'll have to have you back on because this is a fun. Now we're just flew by after a half hour of technical difficulties. Oh gosh, it was awful. Yeah, I gotta make some calls. Good times had by all. I hope you kept your receipt for that. Yep, I bought the warranty, so
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