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Today, everybody, this is Less Strike. Yes, yes I know aka Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatchadus you guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week. We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me a Brian at
Paranimal World Productions dot com. Can head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I've talked about this a couple times of the last few weeks. I got to sit down with Todd Prescott. He is the founder and curator of the Sasquatch Archives. If you guys haven't checked out the archives on YouTube, you have got to
go over there and check out the content. He has some really amazing, rare stuff that you're just not going to find anywhere else as far as bigfoot interviews and evidence, and videos. It is a great source of information in the Bigfoot community. I got to sit down with Todd and he shared some of his personal experiences how the Archives started. It's a really cool interview.
I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. Most of you have probably listened to the show that I put out a couple of weeks ago on the Patterson Gimlin film. He was gracious enough to allow me to use some of that ultra rare nineteen sixty seven interview with Roger and Bob. If you haven't listened to that, go back in the Archives a few shows back and listen to that. It is really really cool. As you listen to this
right now, I'm actually in Gatlinburg at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I'm getting ready to handle the encounters there tomorrow. It's going to be a fantastic lineup. So if you are in the area of Gatlinburg, Tennessee, or you can make the trip overnight, it's a great conference. There still some tickets available for general admission. You can see me and all the other speakers on stage. It's going to be a really good time. Make sure you
stop by the Paranormal World Production Sasquatch Odyssey Booth. I'm gonna have tons of people there with me. Wayne from Paranormal Odyssey is going to be there. I'm gonna have the guys from the Kentucky X Files. Tyler and Denny are going to be there and chatting. Bob from the Basement Hangout will be in the booth as well. Stop by see us, grab some merch, get a picture with us. We're gonna have a really good time. I hope to see a ton of you there, but for now, I know you
guys are ready to get into the show. I'm gonna stop talking. You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the Show's old to welcome my guests of the show, it is the creator and curator of the Sasquatch Archives, Todd Prescott. Welcome to the show, Todd, thanks for having me on. Brian. The Sasquatch Archives is one of my favorite places for information on the web. But when it comes to Bigfoot Sasquatch. So before we get started with anything, I want to say thank you for putting that together, and
we'll certainly get into how that came about. But I like to start in the place where I start with most people. When you talk about sasquatch, everybody has a story about what got them interested in the subject and what got them into this thing in the first place. So if you wouldn't mind, let's start there and tell the audience what that was for you. Yeah,
I think my story's pretty mundane. It's probably fairly typical. You know, young boy, the world's a big place, and someone talks about Harry Monsters, or you see it on TV or in a magazine or a book. In my case, it was mostly in books. I was a bookworm and probably at age eight or nine in school hit found zero hundreds in the school library. And this is back seventy so we had a really good collection of ufost of Bigfoot, Lockness, monster stonehang, all the mysteries of the universe.
And that really hooked me. And for some reason I really gravitate towards Sasquatch, Bigfoot, the Yeddie. And then from there, you know, I would see documentaries on TV. Of course, magazine articles as well. When you're kid, the library has magazines like Omni and there would be articles in there, and it just one thing led to the other, and I got hooked at a young age, and also where I grew up, Brian. It was a little tiny village of three hundred and fifty people. Believe
it or not. We had well water came from a tap, but we had well water, so we didn't have a lot to do. And I guess also living on the forest, My backyard was literally a forest. It was intriguing. It wasn't a huge forest, but it kind of led to other forests and it just seemed like a mysterious place and it maybe could have had Bigfoot in my mind, although I know now it didn't because it probably wasn't big enough. But you know, let your imagination run wild, and
it did. But then I started taking it serious in my mid to late teens, because now you're free, you have your license, you can drive, and of course I had read John Green's books, and I remember John Green talking about Ontario and talking about specifically place up north where something called Old Yellowtop had been sighted from the early nineteen hundreds in a place called Coalball, which was a mining town, and looking on maps, I realized it was
maybe five or six hours north of me, so I thought that's within reach. But then I also noticed that there was mention of sightings closer to me in the Niagara region, so you know, New York has Niagara Falls and SODA's Canada, And so I eventually started going out and following up and stuff and just trapesing through the woods seeing what I could find. Yeah, so
that's that's how it all got started. Really, it had morphed into many other things eventually, but like most young children, it was my imagination that that fired it up. For sure. Well, what was the first thing for you? Was it hitting the woods? Were you more interested in documenting other people's encounters and talking to people who had had potential encounters with these things? What was it for you? Honestly, for me, it was hitting
the woods. Having grown up on the edge of the forest and spending so much of my youth in the woods, I wanted to be out there doing it. And truly, the reports that I was reading about they had long since, like it was years ago, so they had all passed. There was trying to find someone in that day and age without the internet, it was virtually possible you might have a first name, rarely a last name.
And yeah, so if I would just go into the area because I was kind of chasing ambulances, looking for you know, evidence, thinking I might encounter one since it had been sighted there forty years ago, maybe maybe by chance, you know, it's still lingering around food ohs. So yeah, for me, it was just getting out in the woods because I love the woods, very comfortable in the woods. You know, I don't know what the expression is, but I've got the green thumb of the woods, so
to speak. And it wasn't until much later, much much later, that I really started documenting stuff. For me, it was just it was just you know, fun, it was it was exciting, it was was dangerous, it was intriguing. That was that was the appeal, and the allure was just just wandering, could could these things be out there? Might I run into one? Might I see one? And of course with that you see other things too that you wouldn't normally see if you're not out in the
woods. So it was it was sort of fulsome because it's satiated my desire to be in the woods and also my desire to you know, explore the unknown and and maybe have a chance encounter. But yeah, I wasn't really following up, particularly with witnesses, as much as falling up in the areas of sightings. Well, eventually all of that led to I know, you've had contact or had contact with some of the earlier well known researchers in Bigfoot,
some of the four horsemen of sasquatchery, if you will. What led you down that path? How did you run into people like John Green and Renee to hand in in those folks? What led you down that road and how did that happen? Well, it's funny because I was just doing everything on my own. Growing up in a village so small, there weren't a lot of people to hang out with, and you got to imagine three hundred
fifty people. I had one close friend who was two years younger than me, which wasn't cool to hang out with someone younger, but there weren't many options and he most certainly wasn't interested in so so I had to really do it all on my own. And then, you know, as I went into my teams and was mobile with Dad's car, I was able to quote
and do more searching rather than just locally. Luck played a big factor in my growth as a sasquatch researcher because I'm a musician and I managed to land a really good gig with a touring band who was touring around the province of Ontario, and we actually went to a lot of the areas mentioned in books and newspaper articles. So I found myself in coal Bolt, Ontario, the home of Old Yellow Top, who had been cited for decades upon decades,
so I was able to stop in there and look around. And other places too, like North Bay where a guy had a sighting of a sasquatch picking berries, and then even further north where you get into some of the indigenous communities where you just ask and they'll talk all about what's happening, more openly than some people realize, depending I guess on your approach and demeanor, but they were always very welcoming to me and quite open about things. So with
the band, it ultimately led to another band in British Columbia. And for those who don't know, of course, British Columbia is kind of the mecca of Sasquatch research activity and whatnot, and it's the most westernly province in Canada, so it's on the Pacific Ocean, and of course has the Coast Mountains and the Rocky Mountains, and it's just a beautiful place, and that, of course, is where John Greene was born and raised, and Renee de
Hinden showed up there in nineteen fifty three. Bob Titmus made it his home eventually, so two of the four Horsemen lived there. And it was nineteen ninety five when I got a call to potentially join a band. I was looking for a drum or, some guys I went to college with a music school here in Toronto. They made their way out west, and I don't
think they knew my interest in Sasquatch. But when they called and said, we really need a drummer, how about you come out, I said, I'm there now, like I'm packing up my car, and I literally drove.
I drove across Canada and got to see a lot of this beautiful country and ended up out there for a good solid year until the band fell apart because the singer and the guitar player were married and things happened, and so it didn't last very long as long as I wanted it to, and I really wanted to stay out there, but things just did work out with what was going on in my life. But when I was out there, of course I knew that Renee de Hinden and John Green were there, so there
were times we had days off. We worked mostly Thursday to Saturday or Wednesday to Saturday, so I had my other three four days off a week, so I would literally hit all the hotspots and Harrison Hot Springs, where John Green ended up living for many years. Was there in Harrison back in nineteen ninety five, so I stopped in with the intent of going to the phone booth. Members is nineteen ninety five. I don't think anyone had a cell phone. If they did, it would have been one of those ones the
on your car. So I literally went to phone booth and opened up the pages of the full book, found his name. It was there, John Green, and put my whatever it was a dim or quarter, I can't remember, probably a quarter at that time. Put a quarter in and I dialed his number. I think the phone ranked twice, and then I hear a voice hello. It was clearly an old man, and I just literally I freaked out. I got spooked, and all of a sudden, I
just I was starstruck and I just hung up. I just couldn't follow through with it. I don't know what overcame me. My intent was to talk to him, but I was just freaked out that and all of a sudden, I thought I shouldn't be bothering this guy. You know, he's got so many years invested here. I am little Todd Prescott from Ontario basically knocking on his door. I don't know, it's just it's just all of a
sudden. It's weird because I fully intended to talk to this guy, but I just chicken right out, and that's not like me, and I don't know why. I guess the stars were not aligned that that moment, and someone said or something said, hang up, it'll come later. So what came later though, was talking to Renee to Hindon. Now, I had moved back to Ontario in ninety six and was resettling because of what had happened at West. So I starting again trying to get you know, everything happening
with music realized. With music, what you leave you know, your area and go somewhere else. You've lost all your gigs and they're left behind, and you got to start again because someone else has swooped in to take your gigs. So it was like starting fresh. It didn't have a car and being a drummer without a car as a nightmare, and no one wants to
pick up the drummer. So I did some odd jobs, continue to research, do a lot field researching, and at this time there was a little more information available and some other sightings started popping up and bf O I think it started around that time, and so there were some reports there the Gulf Coast Research Group as well. We're posting some one Chario reports. But it was really a ninety seven when I thought, I need to get back to
BC. It's calling me. I just loved this province. I gotta get back to it, and I wanted to do like a like a solo expedition. So I was caught between Bella Coola and or the Queen Charlotte Islands where the two main places I was going to check out, and I settled on
Bella Coula. And the reason was because Renee de Hinden and a guy named Dawn Hunter had authored a book in the early seventies called Sasquatch, and you might remember it has a yellow cover with that famous Patterson Gimblin film frame on it, and in the first few pages is I think it's the first few pages he mentions, and for some reason that that name stuck out, and I thought, Bella Coula. That sounds beautiful, Bella Coula. And I looked on a map and saw where it was, and I thought, wow,
it's pretty remote. And basically Renee said that of all the places in his opinion where you would have an encounter like the odds would be greatest to have an encounter, it would be Bella Coola, British Columbia. So I thought, if Renee is going to say that, there must be something to it. So I started researching as much as I could through encyclopedias and books and settled on going to Bella Coula. Now, before I went there,
I called Renee because I had written his number down. I found his number. He was living in Richmond, British Columbia. So I was doing a gig in Richmond. I looked the same as I did with John Green, went to a fall booth. But I did want to call Renee. It wasn't after I got spooked with John. I'm like, I'm not going to do that again, but oh, I'll keep his number. So I found his number, wrote it down in my little address book and Finally, in
ninety seven, I called him. I guess it was early May because I was in Bellacula in mid May and I wanted to just talk to him and mentioned I was going to Bellacula. Did he have any advice? So here this scrumpy old man answers the phone with his Swiss accent, and he was He was quite gruff and jaded, and I mean he was pretty ticked off at the world at that time. So but I was talking to Renee to hind it. That's the first researcher I really had talked to because I hung
up on John Green. So I'm talking to Renee and he basically gave me a little bit of advice, nothing earth shattering, but basically, you know, take a video camera, which I had, and I was really good at using my video camera and had a decent one at the time. And he also talked about the Patterson Giblin film. But he was very, very jaded. He wasn't happy, and honestly, he left me. I've said this before. He's left me. He left me with a bad taste in
my mouth because he wasn't the friendliest guy. And I had said to him, Renee would love to take you out for lunch after my Bella Coola trip. So by I was supposed to be in Bella Coula, deep in the mountains because Bella Coula is like an indigenous community, and then on the other side of the bell Coula River are the mountains and their coastal mountains and their rugged and there's a long history of Sasquart's sightings in the area. So I
just wanted to go in solo. It was quite foolish now that I think of it. Just go into Bellacula the mountains and have that encounter that Renee says you're going to have. It's you know, my chances are greatest to have an encounter there. So that's the place I'm going to go. And I had a lot of experience capping in hikings. I felt pretty confident, but I had never hiked to that extent in the province of British Columbia. I was used to Ontario, which is a relatively flat province, at least
in my area. So I was in way over my head. But I'll never forget. I had to fly into Vancouver from Toronto, which is a five hour flight, and then I had to charter a plane up to Bellacula because the only other option was going by sea, which would have taken a while, or driving, which would have taken forever. So I opted to charter a plane and I think it was an hour flight from Vancouver to Bellacula.
For those who don't know, Bella Coula is halfway up the coast, halfway up the province of British Columbia, and it's almost on the coast, a little bit in from the coast. Just a beautiful area, magical, just you feel the power when you're there. So I get there, you know, I'm checking out the community. It's there's not much there. I know I have to get across a river. I didn't know anyone there,
so I thought I could pay someone to float me across the river. So there I am waiting at the river for someone to see me with my backpack. Stay to for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. And sure enough, this old timer native guy comes walking over. He's like, hey, there go, Hey, how are you. My name's Todd. He says, oh, I'm the chief about Akula. Said, oh, nice to meet you. And he was like I looked it up later on. He was the chief. He thought, who's this white boy
standing on the shores here at the backpacks? What's he doing? So I talked to him and he was very curious, and I didn't want to broach the subject of sasquatch just yet, so I tried to warm up to him, and he was telling me some some history about Ellakula, and I basically said, I wanted to get to the other side of the river to do a vision quest. Right I was working pretty hard in Ontario, filling the stress. Just wanted to get the stress off my back and experience what it
has to offer. So he said, oh, you know, our village used to be across the river, but it used to flood, so we moved the whole village over here on this side that you're standing on, which is quite a huge undertaking. And there's photos of that where they moved the whole village. So I thought, you know this, I'm going to segue
into sasquatch now, because he seems to be taking to me. He's warmed up to me, So I said, you know, I've read I've read about some Sasquatch reports in the area and he said he kind of paused, and he said yes, but he said that he thought they moved out of the area with all the logging. He said, though, there's another creature called Snick, and that's how he said it with us sort of snick who resembles sasquatch, but it's more of a quadruped so more on four legs,
a little more aggressive too. He said, they're still and smaller. They're still around, so you might see one of those any He played across the river and said, you're gonna have a lot of stuff happen over there, because they're spirits, you know, the spirits of our ancestors, this and that. And I had brought tobacco, I'd brought some gifts, you know, to leave when I when I went over there, and I made him aware of that, so I think he respected that that I was going to
honor the land. And then he said, so you need to get over across the river, so I'll get my nephew and he'll float you across. So isn't nephew shows up and flow to me across. So that that began my venture in Bellakula, at least in the mountains. So I get flowed across. And I said to him, come back in a month, come back on this specific day. I'll be here. And if I'm not, there's a problem, right because this is this is before cell phones. I'm
going in with nothing. I'm there's I'm just going in, you know, I'd let the local authorities know, like the forest ranger of a major park that was close by, and provincial park, let my parents know. Like here's where I'm gonna go. I'm gonna follow this old logging road. I'm gonna get to this other river. I'm gonna use the bridge to get across. Well, of course the map I was using, the top old map was from nineteen fifty eight, so things change. And I've got this map
and they didn't know how to waterproof it. So I literally use scotch tape just put like some some like I guess packing tape overtop. It's keep a waterproof. Knowing that it rains there a lot, I didn't realize that it rains here every day. And I mean I was prepared to a certain extent. But anyways, I start my trek and I've got sixty pounds on my back, I've got twenty five pounds on my front. So I've got a front pack and a backpack because I'm carting food. You know, I've got
I've got my pots and pans. I've got I've got the essentials for a month. It's it's four weeks. It's a long time. I was sort of banking on on on some wild edibles. I wasn't gonna do any hunting, but just wild edibles, I thought. When I lived in BC, I noticed that their season was ahead of Ontario. So I was looking forward to berries and some some succulents. Big mistake because in the mountains things slowed down. There was nothing I could eat really other than some thistle, which
was not tasty. Anyhow, I start trekking and within thirty feet I see the biggest pile of bear dung, huge pile. It is just massive. And I've seen lots of bear in Ontario. I've seen their piles of dung. This was insanely huge. I'm going, holy crap. I did not expect that. Well. Unbeknownst to me, this is an area of Canada where beat where black bears and grizzly bears converge. They share the same area. Hading know the grizzly bears there, I wouldn't have gone. Honestly,
I'm used to black bears, but grizzly bears that's a different level. AnyWho, I'll cut to the chase here. Long story short, I spent only two weeks in the forest of Bella Coola, never saw a sasquatch, had the living daylight scared of me a few times with what I thought was a bear counter thought, I thought it was a baby bear, but it turned out to be a grouse that was screaming like a baby bear. And I was just waiting for Mamma to come flying out of the woods abbey, so
that made my heart stop. Had a moose walk up to my tent one morning, and then I had a very treacherous river crossing when I realized the bridge had washed out. That bridge that was there at fifty eight lo and behold, wasn't there in nineteen ninety heaven. So I had a very treacherous river crossing because I had to get to the other side to continue my track. And when I got to the other side, I realized that even the trail had overgrown, I couldn't find the trail. I managed to get back
maybe a mile or two. After that, I wasn't going anywhere unless I wanted to get lost. So I doubled back, came back on the river, and just laid in the area for two weeks. And it was scary. I felt like a rabbit. You don't know how vulnerable you are until you're out in the elements and nature's in control. And one night I thought I'd eaten something called cleavers. Whatever was gave me a fever. I thought
I was going to die. I broke out into fever, and that same night a huge thunderstorm, lightning storm lightning struck a tree, one of those big douglass furs. Sounded like it was beside my tent. I thought it was coming down on my tent because it came crashing down, so I thought it was a goadder. But anyways, I woke up in the morning, fever had broke and the tree had landed hundreds of feet away, but it sounded like it was coming right now me. So that was Bella Coula.
Now again, remember I had talked to Renee to Hindon before going to Bellacula, and the plan was to call him when I came out and to take him up for lunch or dinner. So I get back to civilization, spent a little time in Bella Coola, talked to some more people who had who
had sightings, and again they kept mentioning this creature called Snick. And later on I did some investigations on Snick, and it's it's truly another, you know, another bigfoot type creature according to the people of Bellacula, just a little different. But they see those more than they see sasquatch apparently nowadays.
And I get back to Vancouver, and I was hanging out with some old some of the old band guys that you know, we're still there lingering, and I thought I got to call Renee to Hindon, but I thought, I don't want to talk to that guy. He was so grumpy. It wasn't fun talking to him. Honestly, he just wasn't That wasn't my vibe. I just come out of my vision quest. I felt so relaxed, I felt purified, and I just don't want to hear him, you know, going on about this and that. So I didn't. I didn't bother.
I wish I had of, but I didn't. I didn't do the follow up call, and I do regret it because I only talked to that one time and that was it. So, uh, you know, my time in bc IS is done and backing material and again I'm just following up on reports here and there when it can. The internet has taken off now, so there's you know this, it's all blowing up and there's so many
reports to do and follow up on. And at that time I started getting involved at the BFRRO, mostly because it gave you access like two reports that were fairly fresh, and I did that for a while. Now I'll get into how I ultimately met up with John Green many years after the fact, I guess using some advanced math, fifteen years, no, seventeen years after the fact, So ninety five was when I meant to call him, when I was basically on his doorstep, and then it wasn't until twenty twelve when
I actually met him. But how that came up about it was I was working on a book series on Bakefoot researchers since around twenty ten, and I had collected hundreds and hundreds of names of old researchers, current researchers, researchers who had passed on and you know, I had them all listed out on my computer still do. And I was contacting people Peter Byrne, John Green, Chris Murphy, Larry Lund, who was who of of Sasquat's research.
I was reaching out to them via email, and I kept I kept emailing John Green asking him, Hey, do you mind looking up in your files some information about it's so and so because I just read about them. I don't have any information, there's nothing online, but maybe you have a letter from the dude. And and finally he just got fed up and said, listen, Prescott, I can't keep doing your research for you, you know.
And he said it in a nice way. And I would talk to him on the phone too, because at that time, you know, he had changed numbers, but but I had his number, and so yeah, he said you got to come out here and do your own research. And he said it in a joking way. But but John Green was very serious too. He was half joking, half serious. But I got the point, stop bugging me. I'm an old man. Do your homework. I
can't keep betting down going through my files. So I took that as an offer, and I booked a time off from work and I flew out to where he was living, which was Agacy, which is very close to Harrison Hot Springs. Little community, quite nice, and he was living in a like a retirement community, old age home. At that time, he was in his mid eighties, but man, that guy was spry. Holy geez, So I'll never forget. I show up and I get into the home
where he's living, and you know, there's a lot of residents. They're kind of looking at who's this who's this young guy coming in? Right? And who I don't know their album each other? Who's this guy? Like, I'm the I'm the new news, right? And John Green was in whatever apartment fourteen or something I don't know. Knock on the door, knock, knock. I hear these these feet sort of shuffling towards the door, and then the door opens and I said, oh, hi, John,
I've taught Prescott. Hello, godd go this is a really nice retirement community. And he and he pauses it, looks straight in the eye and says, what's nice about it? We're all dying here. I'm like, oh, my good fun. How do you respond to that? And I said, ah, well, well, nice to meet you. And he said well, come on in, and he basically no small talk, just the
files are in that room, help yourself to anything. And then he just went into the TV room, sat down, got the newspaper out, continued reading, and I sat in there for a good six hours, and I came out to just say a low and tell him how things were going. And he was still reading his newspaper, and he put his glasses down and looked at me and said, I'm glad you're here. He was lonely because
his wife had passed away. He was very lonely. So I feel good that that maybe I brightened up his time when he was there, because I was there, I'm gonna say, for five days straight on that visit,
and now realize that I didn't know the extent of his collection. I'd heard rumors, but his collection it was literally I think it was three filely cabinets, like like you know big file cabs you see in office buildings, chalk full of letters, communications dating back to I think fifty five, and handwritten letters, typed letters right up until I think a loud one was twenty eleven.
He was writing a guy named Wayne King, who was an old Michigan researcher and Andy Green had he followed my letters too, because I was writing him as well, so I was like, oh, my letters are that's pretty cool. But I was a mental in the big sea because there were so many people. And I right away went to you know that the Grover Krantz file, that Peter Burne file, Bob Titmos file, the Renee de hind In file, and I just went through those, and again I didn't
know how much stuff he had, so I wasn't prepared. I had a notebook and a pen. I didn't have a scanner. I had a really crappy cell phone that pittures wouldn't have been worth taking. So I just took notes and if I'm not mistaken, the first day I was there, I only got halfway through the Grover Krantz file because there's hundreds of letters. You have to read them to see what's in there. And I went, oh my god, this is overwhelming. I'm not going to get this done in
five days. I didn't know what I was getting into. So I was there for five days and eventually John said, hey, join me for lunch. I'll pay. I'm like, oh wow, that's okay. I'll pay John, No, no, it's on me. Join me, sir, supper, I'll pay. Let's go for a walk, let's talk. So it was amazing because here I am in the company of, you know, one of the grandfathers of Sasquat's research, the guy who really put the subject on the map, and I'm sitting in his home and of going through his
files. It was surreal. I was I was living history, reliving history. And then these walks. I couldn't keep up with the guy. He was just ripping down through these fields. I'm going, holy geez man. And he had a bad foot, but he was just always in a hurry, and every now and then he would just come in and see what I was doing, kind of look at what file him going through, and then he you know, interject and talk about what was going on in the letter.
The guy's memory was pretty sharp at that time. There were some things he forgotten, but it was amazing. Once you showed him something, he would remember it. And then he showed me his his slide collection, his negatives, his photos, and they said, oh, I've got these cassettes recorded of interviews. You might be interested in those. I'm like, oh, my God. So my five days were up, and I said, John, I hate to leave, but I have to go back to work.
I would love to come back at some point and scan this stuff. It needs to be archived and save digitally because it's vulnerable it's paper. And he said, oh, I don't think it's that important. You know, no one, no one really cares about this stuff. Yeah, it's it's not important. I'm John. This stuff is really important. This is this is history, whether Sasquatch has ever found or not. This is of cultural importance, right, And I don't think so, you know, it's just
gonna get trashed when I'm gone. And I don't think it, John, No, like, seriously, really think about it, really think about this. This is important. If I'm here doing what I'm doing, it's important to me, and I know important others too. And I said, my good buyes. And he had said, Joe, you can come back because you didn't finish. So I had I planned a month later to come back,
but this time for I think eight days. So I came back and this time when he greeted me at the door, he was more cheery and he said, you know, Todd, I thought about what you said about scanning it, You're welcome to scan it. And I had brought a scanner this time, so so I was prepared. It was only a little tiny hand wand scanner. It wasn't good enough, so I had to go into Vancouver, drive an hour and a half away and get a real scanner at
one of those best buys. But then I started scanning stuff, and it was literally from nine am in the morning, after breakfast because John woke up early week go. We had breakfast his treat, and I got to meet all his friends, and he talked about yell the old days, sasquashed stuff. Everyone in the place knew he was a sut squad researcher. John Green was also the mayor for a while of Harrison ods Spring, so he was
kind of a celebrity there in his own right. So I would I would scan literally from nine am, with a break here and there, untill whenever John went to sleep. Sometimes he stayed up to eleven o'clock at night. Sometimes he went to bed at eight thirty, and I'd stop scanning because it's kind of loud, you know. And there are a few times where I snuck in scanning because I wanted to get something done and never woke him up. But I had. I have thousands and thousands and thousands of files.
You got a figure. Most letters aren't just one page. There are three or four pages. Sometimes some of them are nine to twelve pages, so each each page has to be scanned. I scanned all the photos that he gave me to look at, all the negatives, all the slides that he gave me. I made cassette recordings of his cassette recordings, so I dubbed those. Thank god, he had a dual cassette player recorder, which was great, but finding blank cassettes in Agacy, British Columbia was not easy.
So and after I did that, I'm sitting on all these files, thousands upon thousands at photos. I've got to go through it all because when i'm scanning them, i'm not reading them. I'm just put the sheet on the scanner, get the next one ready, And it's just it's a factory. I actually have a video of me doing it. It's nuts. It's just NonStop, literally for eight hours, ten hours, sometimes twelve hours, and
I get home and I'm going, wow, that was a lot. So I was at John's place three times, so there's three different visits, and then a fourth visit was he had moved, but I just dropped into say a Loo see how he was doing. Because his health it really went south at that point, so it's almost like saying goodbye. And it was on my way to Beach Foot with Chris Murphy and Thomas Steamberg car cooling down there, so I stopped in to see John and sure after there he passed away.
But back home, I'm literally reading every single letter from start to finish. I'm summarizing every single letter from start to finish, it just as a basic summary of what the letters about. And then I indexed every single letter so if if someone mentions Bella Coola, I you know, I index that. And it took me three years, no word a lie. Took me three years to go through everything to summarize, index file it, properly organize it and all the photos as well. So it was a huge undertaking.
And then I thought to myself, this stuff needs to be shared, and John said share. If it's mine, you could share it. If it's not my photo, I can't tell you could share it. But if I have it, it's probably mine. There were some stuff that he had that
wasn't really his, but a lot of people have passed on. But yeah, So I started sharing it on YouTube, a little bit of the stuff, some of the stuff that would be most interesting that hadn't seen the light of day, some old letters and things like that, and I thought, well, I got to come up with a name, so I called it my YouTube channel, thus Sasquatch Archives, and just started sharing stuff there, realizing that there's just too much to share, but I'll get out the stuff
that people are most interested in. And there was one thing that I'd never seen anywhere other than a transcription of it on Bobby Short's big Foot Encounters website. It was an interview with Roger Patterson and Bob Giblin on October twenty sixth, nineteen sixty seven, So six days after the Patterson Giblin film, they went to show the film in Vancouver at the University of British Columbia to scientists,
and they were interviewed following the showing. So their recollection of the events is very fresh, and a lot of people bull for some reason, believe that they were in Bluff Creek for three weeks stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. They weren't. They were there for about a week and a half, so nine or ten days, and Roger talks about that in that interview, and it's also captured in other interviews.
A little later. Somewhere along the line, someone came up with a three week timeline, and Bob Gimblin has been saying that in his presentation, but it's actually not true because you want to go to the earliest recollections and recalls of the events and and even early magazine articles, they're talking about a nine to ten days. Even John Green's book he talks about in the Sasquatch
Seams and Mongus, he talks about it being nine days. I don't know when it happened, but just for all you officionados out there, it's it's not three weeks, it's nine to ten days. They were in Bluff Creek, which makes sense because they had they had horses with them. What are you going to feed the horses? Why are you going to eat for three weeks? That's a long time to be out there. So it was a week and a half. And how did anyone get that much time off for
work, that's or from the family. That's a long time review way, what wife in the right mind would let their man go away their husband for three weeks into Bluff Creek. So John Green had that interview, He had that interview, he had the audio of that interview. It had never seen the light at day. I think some people had it, but I guess no one had the means to transfer it, make it digital, put it up on YouTube. So I asked John, Hey, can I put this
up on the internet. Well, maybe you should run it by Patricia Patterson, Like, I don't think so. I could call a Patricia, she's old too. She wouldn't have the copyrights radio station. So I tried to track down the radio station. No one knew anything about it. And really it wasn't the full interview. There's still half or a portion of the interview's missing. John only had twenty minutes of the interview. So I put that up and a lot of traction, and then from there other things like Fred
Beck being interviewed audio by Roger Patterson. So there's some stuff up there that's pretty unique at cool. And then ultimately other people came into the fold, such as a Larry Lund through a guy named Gene Robinson who has sent me hordes of stuff, old videotapes, mostly ninety stuff, but there's other stuff
in there too from the past. So I have to, you know, thank Larry, Thank Gene Robinson. There's a bunch of people who have been instrumental in helping out with the Sasquatch Archives, at least giving permission to use stuff. So that's the Sasquatch Archives in a nutshell, and how things led
up to the Sasquatch Archives. So that's where we are now. I know there's a lot there, But is there anything outside of maybe the Patterson Gimblin interview five or six days after the fact, was there anything that shocked you or really stood out to you that you went through during your time of process all this information that he had stored. Maybe it was just something that you didn't believe or wouldn't have believed he would have kept, or maybe a piece
of evidence or a photo or something that you saw. Was there anything that really stuck out and maybe surprised you. There were a few things that stood out and and maybe at least one or two that surprised me. One thing that surprised me was John Green absolutely detested Peter Byrne, just hated him. I have my theories as to why that is. And of course John Green
basically thought that Peter wasn't an honest man, let's say. And later on in life Peter did run into some trouble with some legal issues, let's say. But I was surprised because John didn't trash talk anyone else. He seemed to be okay with everyone else, including people like Eric Beck George, who
was the bane of Researcher's existence back then. Everyone loathed that guy, John Green, and I asked him flat out, I said, John, why were you continuing your communications with Eric Beck Jordan, knowing that he's delusional and not all there and harassing people at three in the morning and making death threats? And John said, he never did that to me. He called me once at three in the morning. I said, don't ever do that again, and he never did it again. I got along with the guy.
I didn't have a problem with him. Just because I was writing him letters doesn't mean I agreed with him. I found him to have fairly intelligent things to say, but I didn't agree with everything, but Peter Byrne, Oh, my God, mentioned that name, and wow, John was all the
fangs came out and the horns came up. I mean John John Green put together like a like a little booklet all about Burne and how he was a fraud and this and that, and he called it, I can't remember now, like Peter and the Wolf or something, and it was a play on that whole thing. And he mailed it out to people. He just detested Peter Byrne. It was shocking because I mean I knew, but I didn't
know to what extent. He just did not like Peter Byrne. But he got along with everyone else and people that you would never imagine he'd get along with, even Renee to Hindon, who wrote John some horrible letters. For many years, Renee just was not a nice man. And some people wonder if it was because he was dealing with lead. He was, he was excavating lead, the lead shot from the gun club, and maybe he was suffering from lead poisoning and it and it messed up his mind a little bit
because he was a nice guy in the early days. You can hear him on old interviews from fifty seven fifty eight. He was a super nice kid, but somewhere along the way he became very jaded and and gruppy and just almost like an ugly guy. And you can see that in some of the videos that I have. He's just he doesn't agree with anyone. He's always right, but it's not fair to talk behind his back when he's not alive to defend himself. But he was a gruff man, let's put it that
way. He was gruff, very opinionated, and that's fine. But John, like Renee, would write him a letter, I'm gonna ff ensue you. You know, you won't have money to feed your children and this and that. And I've got these letters. I'm reading them, going, holy geez, Renee, that's vicious. And John would right back saying, hey, Renee, I just still want to borrow those photos that we talked about last week on the phone. Like it just it was just like water off
of John's back. It was bizarre. It was almost like an old married couple. So that was a bit shocking how much he hated Peter Byrne and tolerated Renee and Eric Beck Jordan. That was odd. I was pleasantly prized by all the photos John had, photos of Bluff Creek, Blue Creek Mountain, that whole investigation, things of Bob Titmus, even John going to Bella Coola with Bob Timos, which I could you know, relate to, and then just photos from his investigations, his outings. He let me look at
family photos. There's old film of him and his family together. That was that was touching to see some of that stuff. So I'm sitting on a lot of photos, some of them make their way into videos that I put
together. Hey yeah, A that that really was touching to see that stuff because I literally cried a few times looking at some of that, those those photos and reading the letters and slides and negatives and the clearest photos, like the Bossberg stuff clear as day that you've never seen because when it's in a book or a magazine, it's just it's I'm looking at the original, right, so and like I'm looking at the negative. So I'm looking at the
original. And then something that really surprised me, and I don't know if it shocked me, but pleasantly surprised was there was always rumors about or talk about Roger never finishing its documentary. You know, the reason he went to Bluff Creek because he was working on a documentary about Big Book, and everyone says, well, he never the incomplete unfinished documentary. So I believed it because that's what people are saying, and you read about in books and people
are talking about it. But then I caught wind of someone coming into possession of something that looked like Patterson's documentary. It was Russ Jones, doctor Russ Jones. He had reached out to me and said, hey, Todd, I've got something here you might be interested in. It's like Roger interviewing people and you know, some footage. And I thought, oh, I've seen
that. You know, I've got that stuff, not knowing what was being described, and so I said, yeah, that's cool, and he said, I think I'm gonna rush it. I think I'm gonna give it to the China Flats Museum because they think they should have it, or maybe Patricia Patterson because it seems like it's property of theirs. And he ultimately gave it to Michael he has the museum in California, Michael Rugg. Michael Rugg Rugg.
He passed it on to Michael Rugg, who who gave it to Patricia, but Russ kept some of the paperwork and he's like, these are like receipts and stuff, and it's talking about showing the film here and how much they got and ticket sales. So I'm kind of curious now, and Russ said, well, I'm gonna bring it to Ohio for one of the big Foot conferences that's happening. I think it was the twenty twelve Big Book Conference,
and we're gonna show it on the big screen. Michael, geez, I gotta see what this is. And I was going to the conference anyways. So I went to the conference and there the show. He only had the first half of the documentary, but it's Roger Patterson's documentary made in nineteen sixty eight. I'm going this thing exists. This is like the Holy Grail.
It's real now. So we only have half of it, and now it's back in Patricia's hands, but a few copies float around, because you know, smartly, Russ made a few DVD copies and I got one. Now I'm at Beach Foot twenty fourteen, Todd Niece's event, and there's a guy from I can't say too much for there's a guy from the BBC. He's there and he's doing a story on big footers and he and I, for some reason, we hit it off. We're both fans of the same
bands. We got talking and like, oh my god, we're like brothers from another mother. Really hit it off. And I said, you worked for the BBC. I need you to do me a favor. I need you to look up a film, a documentary that was done with Roger Patterson. Here's the name. See if you could find this. Because Patterson's documentary
was done in tandem with the BBC British Broadcasting Corporation. Patterson didn't have the means to do it himself, and that BBC had caught winds through Avin Sanderson that Patterson was working on a documentary, and of course they were aware of the Patterson Giblet film, so they thought, hey, we've got maybe enough
material to make a documentary. This is in nineteen sixty eight. So the BBC cut a deal with Roger where they would give some footage, send a camera crew over do some footage for Roger, with the understanding that they could use the Patterson Giblet film footage and Roger could use whatever they come back with for his purposes, but he couldn't He couldn't release it on TV or make a movie, but he could show it in theaters, and that's when he
connected. Patterson connected with a guy named Ron Olson, who was with American National Enterprises ANE the First an E, and Olson and his twin brother were fascinated with Bigfoot, and they connected with Roger and Roger's brother in law,
ld Atlee, and they started four walling what the BBC gave him. But first Patterson he didn't like all of the BBC version of the documentary because it was hosted by primatologist doctor John Napier, and Napier was kind of sitting on the fence and in one breath he'd say, you know, I don't see a zipper, but it can't be real because it walks like a man, but it has breasts, it just and and primates other than humans don't show rest pendulous breast, so this must be fake. But I don't see a
zipper. So of course Patterson didn't want that. He wanted only the pro opinions to show in his version of the documentary, so he cut and paced, spliced, and he added some stuff too, including a whole long, boring monologue of his brother in law Aldatley, introducing the film and talking about the organization, because Patterson had an organization where you could mail in for you send him three bucks and he'd give you, like, you know, a
membership to his club. That fell through, and he did, really he had to. He had refund money back on that. He lost money on that. So that documentary. I wanted to find the other half of it, and I wanted to find both versions, because Russell only had Roger's version. And I found out that there was a BBC version, and I asked, this guy from the BBC CP can find it. It's got to be somewhere. Now. You may know that the British Broadcasting Corporation are famous,
rather infamous for misfiling and losing stuff. They have a horrible system. Apparently, so a couple of months ago by in this guy who shall remain nameless because I think he still worked for him and I don't want to lose his job. He reaches out and says, taught I found it. It was it was filed under a wildcat. Wildcat Are you serious? He's like, all burn a copy. It's it's like on sixteen mil A'll burn a coffee
and bob your uncle. You know you got it, just don't share it, Like, don't don't share it. I'm like, okay, sure enough it comes to the mail. I'm like, oh my god, this is amazing. It's the whole documentary, the BBC version that as far as I know, hadn't aired since nineteen sixty eight. And eventually, well I shouldn't say eventually. He had sent me the worksheet with it that gave the information when it aired, the length, who had starred, all all the deeds.
And it aired on July twenty seventh, nineteen sixty eight, and it only aired one time, and it's about an hour long. And there were some names mentioned at the end of you know, the credits at the end. So I tried to track down those people, all of whom had passed on except for one cameraman. So I connected with this cameraman and I talked
to him, and he was the guy in the US. He was American, and he did a lot of the footage in Washington, in state in California and some of the interview stuff that shows up to the dock as well. So there that this documentary does exist. It's there. There's two different versions. I've got the British, the BBC version up on my channel. Now I had to wait. I realized that I didn't have permission, and I'd reached out to the BBC and they basically said, you can't do anything
with a pale. But then I did some investigation, got my lawyer involved and he did some investigation and he said, listen, there's there's a copyright loophole in the UK. Basically, anything that airs on TV fifty years after the fact has no copyrate anymore. Copyrate's done. So I had to wait until twenty eighteen, fifty years before I could release it. And I think it was twenty nineteen that I made it public because I wanted to make sure
that I wasn't going to get sued or something. So it's up on the Sasquatch Archive channel. It's called it's called Bigfoot America's Abominable Snowman. You'll see the most footage of Roger Patterson. Ever, you won't see his brother in law because it's the British Broadcasting Corporation version. Patterson's own version is shorter.
That's the one he took it around the theaters and schools across the Pacific Northwest back in sixty nine through seventy and early seventy one, and he took it as far as Michigan State and showed it for a fee, and they made some money from it. There's no doubt they made some money from it. And then Patterson got really sick with leukemia and didn't continue with that. Plus they had basically saturated the market with it, because honestly, by by those
standards, it wasn't a good documentary. Even back in sixty eight sixty nine, it wasn't a good documentary, like as far as how it was put together as very low budget. By today's standards, it's amazing insomuch as the history historic value. And I can appreciate that. I do have the full version of Patterson's own, but I can't really release that because it is copyright and I have to go through Patricia Patterson to get permission to release that.
And she's not doing so well and her son is looking after things, and I haven't really been in touch with him. So if he's listening and he doesn't mind, I would love to host out on the channel. People would
love to see it is. It is different, quite different than the BBC version, although quite similar as well, So that I think to answer your question, Brian, I think that that was probably the most shocking thing was that that documentary did get finished, does exist toured around and that documentary a young ten year old Jeff Meldram saw it in the theater, he saw it shown, and that's what really sparked, you know, someone who allowed to
look up to and treat as the go to scientists nowadays, so that documentary art is interested in the subject. So there you go, great story. That's one of the things that doctor Milton talked about when I had him on the show was how that sort of set him a blaze when it came to the bigfoot subject and send him down the path that he's been on for how many decades now? I would be remiss if I didn't ask you this before you get out of here. Have you had personal experiences of your own when
you've been out in the woods looking for these things? So I guess I'll say yes and no. I can't say with any certainty what I experienced or what was what was happening on the other side of the bushes, But I'll say that some interesting things have happened, some things when I'm alone, but mostly with other people, which is great. For instance, a pretty intense
bluff charge of something huge happened when I was alone. It happened and I had I have a thermal imager, but anyways, whatever it was was huge, big, and it came charging towards me twice five minutes apart. I couldn't see it. I've seen bears on my THRM life, seen deer in my thermal. Whatever it was was able to hide behind something or below something.
But it was freaky because I've been doing a food drop for many months, hoping to you know, entice a sasquatch into the area, and I would do I would do a four whistle coal in each direction, four whistles south, four whistles north the head like at one of those Jim Jim whistles for east for west, to announce my arrival in the area. And I would also do it when I dropped the food. And right after I dropped the food blew my whistle started walking back up the path soft and came crashing
at me like it was a tank. It was loud as you know what, and it freaked me out. I'm very comfortable in the woods. But whatever this was, it was angry, like it was coming at me, and I thought it was a bear. You know, it takes a while to get the flur warmed up and stuff. I finally get it on and I can't see out that. I'm thinking, that's weird because bears don't usually hide. I've seen bears with my thermal. Stay tuned for more sasquatch odyssee.
We'll be right back after these messages. Anyways, I'm thinking, well, maybe I imagined it because I don't see nothing. I continue walking on the path, and it happened again, maybe five minutes later, same exact thing, and but but the thrmals on and ready. This time again I couldn't see nothing, and I thought, Okay, whatever's bluff charge of me doesn't want me to be here, Let's get the heck out of here. So I started double stepping out of there. And it's a mile back to
my car. So it was a it was a pretty yeah, pretty freaky walk home or walk back from my car. It was. It was an unnerving, let's say, but anyways, I don't know what it was. Another time in that same area. It was with a buddy, and there was this other lady that we just she was just there walking her dogs she had, she has two three quarter wolves, so so she needs to walk
him in this forest so they don't eat other dogs. And we thought it was a wolf that approached us, and my buddy's like, dude, there's a wolf right there. And I'm like, holy shit, there's a wolf right there. And then we see this late like we see a flash lighten and we're thinking, who's back here three in the morning, you know, out of the middle of nowhere, and so we call this Day's like, oh, sorry, my dog's over there. Don't be alarmed. It looks
like a wolf. It's just a three quarter wolf. Don't worry. So she comes over and talks to us, and she tells us some stories that have happened in this forest because we're she's curious, why are you guys here, and we're curious, why are you here? So she explained that she can only walk her dogs in this area. But she talks about a few things that were freaky that probably were related to big Foot, including finding a huge footprint, bare footprint, and her dogs cowering out her feet. Something
was screaming and running towards her. Dogs. Cowered, these are big emimals. They're three quarter wolves. They're huge, intimidating. She said, they don't cower for nothing. These things were whippering out her feet and they stayed there for three seconds and then they ran away from her. She thought I better run too. So she doesn't know what it was, but something was
crashing through the forest towards her, screaming. She said, it sound like a woman being knife to death, and it was screaming at the top of his lungs. Anyways, so we're standing there talking to her. Her dogs are in the truck now and they're growling, and she said, well, I don't worry. The dogs are just not comfortable with me talking to you. And then we hear something walking up a path. It's completely dark. It's now three thirty four o'clock in the morning, and my hearing is not
that great because I'm a drummer. And my buddy says, someone's walking up them happen, like, who else is that hear? What's going on? And so we sort of stop him listen, and then something shakes a tree and it was a huge tree just that's a big tree. We went and looked at this tree. My buddy, he's a big dude. He could not He and I could not move the tree. Whatever it was shook the tree could have been a bear. The dogs are freaking out. Whatever it
was. We heard a walk around sort of circled us, and then it was gone. In that same area, heard wood knocks, and then in Pennsylvania we had rocks rolling at us in an area that we know there's no one there. Again, I had my therm and two nights rocks rowing out us. Another time, I saw what it can only describes I glow, I shine, I glow. I was with two other people and I didn't know about iglow at the time, so I didn't make an association with sasquatch
or anything. Again, I don't know what it was, but it was definitely looked like eyes glowing, and it changed color from white to yellow, ambered orange and then back and the intensity. It was weird because the intensity changed and we don't know what it was, but it blinked, so we could only conclude they were eyes. But I don't know what was behind those eyes. Have I seen one? I saw a tuft of hair that may have been a sasquatch. It happened very quickly. It was the daytime in
Seashelts, which is Sunshine Coast, British Columbia. I was with my then girlfriend and I don't know what it was, but it was freaky and whatever it was parted like it was swimming through berry brambles. You could see the brambles parting, which a bear couldn't do, like they were parting, you know, twelve feet up in the air. Basically, I don't know what it was. I just saw it like a shoulder and it was gone. But that's pretty much Yet I can't say with any certainty or conclusively I've seen
a sasquatch. I'm in the same boat with you, man, Tid Prescott. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your amazing archive of knowledge, and everybody go over and check out the Sasquatch Archives. I'll have it linked in the show notes. It's a place for anybody who's interested in anything Bigfoot. If you're into the history of this and people who made their way into this many many years before any of us started doing any of the things
we're doing. Go check out the Sasquatch Archives, tid Prescott. Thanks so much for joining us. Man, I've had a blast talking to you. Thanks Brian, it was my pleasure. Thank you so much. They say you don't gotta go home, but you cast say, trying to try that chime everything, call it back, bright back, my choice for me to stay right now, to call it right away, unassus us to us, Jesus