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Today, everybody, this is Less Stride, Yes, yes I know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey you guys, and welcome back to sasquatch Ots. Thank you so much for clipping play. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a very week. You have an amazing guest lined up. But before we get there, as always and want to start by inviting you if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me a
Brian a Paranimal World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website check it out. We came remember the earn helps with the show. We've got Johnny on the show tonight. He is from my home state, right here in North Carolina, and he's here to share some of his interesting finds while he's been out in the Meatock Mountain State Park area. This culminates in a sighting that he had with one of these things crossing the road in front of
him. But I'll let Johnny tell you all about that in just a minute before we get there. I have been talking about this for months now. I'm going to be at the Smokey Mountain Bigfoot Conference on July twenty second up in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and I'm going to be hosting their on stage Encounters
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I would love to see you there and I would love to hear your story on stage during the conference. If not, and you're just going to be there, make sure you stop by. Our booth will be on the speaker road there. Wayne will be at the booth. I will be there. Chat and Bob are confirmed from the basement hangout. We may have Tyler and Denny from the Kentucky X Files there. It's going to be a great time. Stop by, say hello, shake her hand, pick up some merch,
and just hang out with us for a while. We would love to see you guys there, but I know you aren't here to talk about bigfoot conferences. You're here for the big Foot encounter. So I'm gonna stop talking you guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Ione's gonna welcome my guests to the show. It is Johnny from my home state of North Carolina. Welcome to the show. Johnny. Hey, Brian, thanks for having me on. I'm glad to have you, man. So let's
get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Let's talk about Sasquatch. What got you interested in the subject in the first place. Well, she can probably tell listening to my voice. I was born and raised in a city up and around just north of Buffalo, so up in the western New York area, and growing up my parents took us to see a couple of movies way back in the day, as I think one was called Sasquatch and the other one was I remember Creature from Black Lake was popular back
then. But even though I lived in the city, it really didn't have any exposure to the bigfoot world or any kind of areas. The overall mystery basically just stuck with me throughout my whole life, and I had an opportunity to move down here to the great state of North Carolina about twenty years ago. Moved down to the Raleigh area, and then later about forty five minutes east of Raleigh. So I'm pretty much up in Worried where the Upper Coastal
Plain kind of meets the end of the Piedmont area. But it ever really associated with Bigfoot, with being up around this area, I mean this is
eastern North Carolina, northeastern part. I always kind of figured it would be out there more toward the western part of the state, Smoky Mountains, Blue Ridge Mountains, And it wasn't until an episode Finding Bigfoot that they did some researching up in the Uwari National Forest now the Uari if anybody isn't familiar with the state, it's pretty much basically in the center of North Carolina and it's about three hours from me. So I found out pretty fascinating up in the
foothills. So from there I started doing some research up online and seeing if there's actually any sightings up around me, and checked out the the BFIRO website and there was actually two reported sightings up in the northern part of my county, which is nash So just going through doing some Google searches, getting up on YouTube. Back in the fall of twenty nineteen, I came across an event that they're having up at a state park. It's called Metock Mountain State
Park, and they were having a big Foot in the Park festival. It was the fall of twenty nineteen and it was put on by Stephen He runs the cryptozoology and Paranormal music up in Littleton, which is about fifteen minutes north there. So I figured, man, this is like right up my alley and the one up there now. Beforehand, I hiked up there when I first moved down here, so that was about like fifteen years ago. But I really never got any kind of like bigfoot vibes from from the area.
I mean it it is a pretty rural park. It's it's it's in a rural area and the park itself is about thirty nine hundred acres, But within that thirty nine hundred acres, besides the horse trails, there's only like a less than ten really bike trails and hiking trails, so a lot of it's all pretty much secluded pretty much just just the way it is like rural area. So when I got up there, I met a bunch of the local hikers up there. I met some awesome people and folks came in from different
areas and they're going over there. Experiences of the local hikers were going over there experiences and encounters that they were having inside the park, which include tree knocks, finding footprints, having trees get pushed over, up to tree structures, finding tree structures, up to a few people having sightings actually inside the park, and then talking to the people that lived up around that area. They were pretty much having just periodic sightings of bigfoot up in that area.
So that what I took, what the take that I got out of it. I mean, do you remember Cal He I believe he was on your first episode. Cal from North Carolina. His sighting was probably twenty plus miles away from this area. So what I took from getting out of this was it's just not centrally into like the state park, but it's pretty much throughout the whole part of North Carolina, up part of that state that they're having big foot sightings for years and so I overheard one of the guys mentioning,
hey, did you see all the tree structures? But when you drove into the park over on this one side, it's like when I went out leaving the festival, I pulled over and there's this there's this one area back there. If you go about twenty feet into the tree line, come there's there's a whole There was a whole bunch of tree structures. There was some huge
ax structures but used by like a forty foot pine trees. There was one it was a TP structure, which was a like a center pole, and there was five just really tall it's got to be forty or fifty foot pine trees, just and different areas just spiked around. There's a bunch of busted trees just kind of like woven and stacked in like a weird position. And there was also one that was really from unusual. I kind of like call it like a sawhorse. It was about an eight foot tree that was broken
off and it was horizontal. It was up about four feet and on either end of it it was braced. So I found that was pretty fascinating. So I kind of told myself, if you want to go out there, and see if there's anything happening. You know, you really, you really met these guys like for the first time, so you don't know if they're exaggerating or if they're pulling your leg, or if there's really something going on there. You just need to break out the hiking boots and do it to
it. And that's exactly what I did you. I've always been fascinated with that area because, like you said, Kal was the very first episode of the show ever with this roadside crossing that he had just driving to work. And I still joke about his episode and some of the other people that I've talked to over the last couple of years that have these weird roadside crossings,
and I joke about Bigfoot almost getting hit by a preeus. They're the most elusive creature on earth, but yet at least a couple of times a month somebody almost hits one with a car. At least he's one from driving by. So I've always been curious, and I've wanted to go up to that area. I wanted to get up to a little tenant and check out the museum. I just haven't had a chance to do that. But I'm glad
you sort of gave some context about the area. And the one thing that bothers me in some cases, so I'll ask you this before we go into some of your experiences. The one thing that irks me a little bit about some of the things that you find in areas like that. It comes up often is like these tree structures and some of the things that people are finding
like they're almost like these shelter things that are built. And in some of those state park areas there are people who teach classes about survival and things like that. So some of those things, if there can be people there, there's always the possibility that a person did that, right, So how do you sort of address that when you were looking at those things? Is that
something that came up in conversation? Is that something that you thought about, and how do you sort of rationalize that in your mind as a researcher looking at that and saying, you know, that could be a person that made that versus maybe a sasquatch thing. I was very skeptical when I first seen it at first, because it's the entrance road is right there. I mean, you're going twenty feet into the woods and you're finding all these structures.
So obviously the possibility is that somebody could be back there screwing around and making these things. But on the other hand, I have found similar structure, similar ex formations when I'm out into the woods, into the deep woods that you would figure no one, no one would be out there, you know, And if they would be making these things out there and in the woods, what what's what's the point? I mean, who's who do they think's
going to find them? So I have found ex formations. I found one of those sawhorse formations, a TP formation out into the woods that you would not be normally tracking out there, but there's always but you're right though, it's always a possibility that somebody could be out there doing that. So it's
it's kind of kind of like a fifty kind of thing. And when you see these trees that are in the like ex formation, you've really got to look carefully down to the ground and make sure that the tree didn't rot or the bases and can just kind of like fall over. The ones that I found there were basically either either trees or branches that were broken that were shoving
to the ground. Because I check out that whole area or very well, just to see if there isn't like a stump kind of sticking out that i'd just kind of like fall over. I'm glad you said that. I was looking through the photographs that you sent me earlier today before the interview started, and it's so weird that I was literally out hiking yesterday and found some very similar things on my property. And it's private property. We have forty acres
of property. There's nobody's supposed to be out there but us. There's property all around us that other people own, but there's nobody there. So there's nobody on my property doing any of this stuff. And it was really eerie looking at some of the photographs that you sent, because I took photographs yesterday of some of the very similar things. So it's either one of these two things, right, It's either natural and you're finding something that naturally happened in
your area, or something else is involved. And I do the same thing, you know. I find these trees that are woven behind something. I call them pull chrom type deals, where there's something like they waited in the middle, so it's balanced in these kind of structures. And that's the first thing I do is look and see if the tree fell in that direction, if there's a stump there or a place where that tree routed and fell,
Okay, that's probably a natural occurrence. It might look weird. But if there's no explanation, And I say that because I'm finding oak trees, I'm finding paper birch trees, and I'm finding cedar trees or cypress trees, and there's none around there. Right, there's these logs that are stuck in from these cypress trees into these other types of trees. And you look around within fifty sixty yards there are no cypress trees. So it's been carried there.
It didn't fall, It didn't you know, it didn't rot because it wasn't there. Right, So it's interesting that you're finding the same things, very similar things to what I'm finding. What else have you been able to do as far as your research? Did you start when you really got the bug? Did you start doing a lot of time in the woods looking for sasquatch themselves? And if so, what kind of experiences have you had. Well, the shirtst clike that I did, it was the it was in October
of two thou nineteen. We had a rule hot summer that year, so even in October it was still in the upper nineties. So when I went out there, I went out there in the afternoon and there's practically nobody out there. So I just wanted to do like about a mile and a half clike. Just I had a little tire thumper that I got. It's probably like about a little three foot piece of hardwood probably, and I'm just where I parked my car, did a couple of three knocks, just throwing it
out there, you know. I started going down the Swan trail. The trail that I took kind of winds a little bit. Then it ends up by a creek. There's a creek that flows through the majority of the park, and I went started going down the trail. About halfway down, I said, well, I'll do one more knock and I just run just as
quiet as I can be and just just see what happens. You know, if anybody's not familiar with summertime or how hot it is in North Carolina, I mean back then it was October, it is just hot and humid that the air is very stale. I mean, you really don't get any wind coming through unless there's a storm coming through, so that's what it was. It was. It was really quiet in the woods. It was real stale.
I got down to the creek, it was just snooping around, went down stream, probably about thirty fifty feet, and here comes a tree knock on the other side of the creek, upo upward. The bluff is one of the bluffs. Now there's no hiking trails that go over that fire and so I'm thinking to myself, wow, that there might be something to this. And then further going further down the trail, we find some tree breaks.
I don't know if you're founding tree breaks up on your property now, but the ones that we find here, they're usually between like sex and seven feet off off the ground, and it's just basically just taking a tree and snapping it or snapping it in twisting it, not twisting or breaking it off totally, but just almost looked like like a directional kind of deal there. So when I got back to my car that time, I was like, Yeah, there might be something to it. A couple of weeks later,
I went out and it was about two thirty in the afternoon. It was in October still, and I did a little bit more of extensive hike about two and a half miles and the one trail I took a different trail this time. You kind of go along the opposite the opposite direction of the creek, and it kind of like wraps around. It comes through the forest and then you're back off or two like like at this big metal to where the parking lot is. So I was down it was really really quiet. It
just just still stale and went down the creek, nothing really happening. And then when I came make that turn to come back around, there's a service
road there. It's like an old service road the Parks Department uses. To go back up to the back trails and looking at these this one X figure that was back there, and there was a couple of three breaks I find there was the odd It took some pictures and then at that about that time it was about four o'clock in the afternoon, and the direction that I had to go to exit the trail though back part of it, you had to
go through this narrow area. It's it's the trees, I don't know, probably about three hundred yards it's really close to the trail, and then it basically just opens up, you go over a couple of hills and then you're up into the meadow. So I'm just about to go into the narrow part here, and it was just like my sixth sense just like kicked in. You feel like your ear you're like tremendously being watched. It's like walking into like a wall of anxiety. And it really didn't really couldn't explain it.
I mean, I was packing at the time, so if anything was going to come after me, I was ready. And the only other option, now what it took was to take the take the long way, and it already it was starting at the sun was coming down down past the tree, so it was already starting to get dark out. So I had to suck it up, but went through the narrows. I went through there about halfway, did one more knock, and I just ran as as quiet as I
could be. Now, in the meantime, they get a lot of stray dogs in the area because a lot of people hunt with dogs and a lot of them just don't come back or just get lost and stuff. So in the meantime, there's this dog somewhere back in the woods just just starting to bark, like just barking, just sporadically. I got through the narrows, it got down to the part where it opens up a part of the woods, word opens up, the dogs barking even more. It's it's back behind
me somewhere. I got to about fifty feet or so from the meadow, where the meadow is where the trail ends. All of a sudden, you hear this deep voice, very powerful yell. It was like a from more. I was back back in the trail, back where somewhere back in the woods there. I mean, it was so powerful that it just echoed throughout
the whole woods. So I don't know if that was directed toward the dog barking, because the dog was barked even more and more and more, and then you get this huge, deep yell and then the dog just shuts up, and I'm out frozen there. I mean, if anything would have came at me or anything, I was only like about fifty or sixty feet from the meadow, I could have booked her it out there. But I went
home. I spent like the next two hours on YouTube just doing all black bear yells, anything about black bears, and nothing at all sounded like that. I mean, that was crazy, but just how strong it was. I mean I could just feel the woodses echoing back there. The Knox experience I had was that stood out was back in December of that same year. I had parked. It was about two o'clock in the afternoon, and I had parked down where this service road is. There's like a little parking lot
there, parked there. I got out and just walked down the service road probably about sixty feet had stopped and was fooling around with my cell phone, just trying to get my cell phone and the camera going where back up in the woods straight where I was like looking right at it comes to this howl, I mean a soup or loud howl. Stay tuned for more sasquat jealousy willing right back after these messages. I mean, it didn't sound canine at
all. It didn't sound like a coyote or anything like that. And what it was was from me. There was a bunch of brush and a bunch of broken and you know how like in the wintertime, all the brushes and everything kind of it dries up so it's real dry, and then there's a It starts where the thicket is where the pine trees are, and it was behind the pine trees where the thicket was, so I could hear it walking
back and forth back there. I really didn't know what to do, so I basically I howled back at it, you know, just try to get a reaction, and you can hear it stepping back there. So that was that was the third time that something substantial happened so ever since then started chearing one of these little audio recorders with me. Chere it read up on my person, right up on either my backpack or whatever whatever thing I'm caring, and back in or the springtime of the following year, I really we had
a pretty mild winner. So I was like, well, you know, I've heard people leaving these things out at night, and I really never tested how the battery life would be or how much internal memory would be. So I had a few areas to choose from. I was either going to put it where all of these tree structures was. I was either going to put
it where I heard that big howl back in December. But I went down to a pretty much secluded part right next to the creek and one night just left it out there, put it right up there and in a little crook of a tree and came back the next morning. And that was the start of leaving those recorders out there, because if you ever want to get an idea of what's creeping around in the woods at night, just leaving recorder and you know, the only tedious part is you just got to listen to it
all. But throughout the whole night it was just pretty basic, just regular frog here there you hear or maybe a deer walking through the leaves, you know, with a little peg legs, And about two thirty in the morning you hear something heavier. From the time that you hear it to the time where it stops, it's it's probably about like fifty seconds. And what it did was it wasn't running. It was walking at a fast pace two thirty
in the morning, and you can hear chan. You're listening to it, and you're thinking, I mean, is that two legs or is that four legs walking by? So what it did was it walked, came out from wherever it did. It walked right past the area where I had my recorder, and there was a down tree there just a few feet away, and you can actually hear it stepping over the tree, you know it was. It was a significant two legged step over, and it basically went down by
the creek and just kind of like settled in. I knew it was still there because you can hear it, like the leaves kind of rattling, you know, creaking a little bit, and it was pretty pretty quiet that whole night, So I believe it was about four o'clock in the morning, it does a tree knock, and then right there, I'm sold. I mean, so it did that about four o'clock in the morning, it knocks on
a tree. About four thirty in the morning, there's something that's more in the distance, just assuming it's uping on the other side of the creek, does a few stick knocks or it would actually kind of sounded like it's taking like two pieces of wood and just like banging it together. It did a series of that like about four or five times, and then it did it one more time, and you can tell it was on the move because that
was a little farther. And then the last time it did it, you're listening with the headphones on the night you can barely hear it, but you know it's there. So I'm assuming it was on the move. So the thing up on this side. Fifteen minutes later, now this is getting to be like about quarter to five in the morning, nails the tree again, does a tree knock, and then you can hear it kind of going off. And from that point till I picked up the recorder, there was just
basic just nature. So it's all about putting two and two together. So the thing did not come back my way, it just kept on going. So I'm assuming it's going up the creek. So I started leaving some recorders up there, maybe about a quarter mile up the creek, and just getting awesome tree knocks up there, just crazy stuff up there. And it all basically came down to finding starts finding footprints up in the creek beds and start
finding a different footprints up were like different muddy areas. I usually go out there like before during the night if it rains, or the day before rains. You know there's nobody gonna be out there walking around, So like the next morning you just go out there and just like just walk around the different trails or looking down into the creek beds and you come across some footprints. Now and again, yeah, you sent me at least I know one picture
of a really impressive looking footprint. What was the story behind that? Was that kind of the same thing. You just went out on a walk one day looking for these things and you ran across this footprint. Let's talk a little bit about that. The size, oh, the oh, the casting up. Yeah, that's a good story. You know. That happened back in September or twenty twenty. It ran the night before and that service road that I was talking about. It was myself in about three other people.
I said, well, I'm gonna go out there and looking for footprints in the morning. So everybody met up there at eight thirty, you know, bright and early. So we started going down the service road and here we find a right footprint. From what I gather that this thing was walking alongside the service road down to the creek and then it came back up this way. But it had stepped with this right foot in this muddy part and it was fresh. I mean, that's the casting that we made out of it.
It walks down to the creek. It has like a slid print, you know how when you're if you're up like at a muddy embankment and put your foot down, your foot kind of slides because the muddy the mudd is slippery, and then it comes back up the same way. It makes a left footprint up on a different part of the service row where there were you know, there's some mud or stuff that they're so that's where that one came from. I mean, that's that was fresh. I mean that was really
fresh. Yeah. The footprint thing is something that's sort of stuck out to me. I've said it recently on a couple of interviews that I've done. I found a footprint myself a couple of weeks ago here hiking on the property. It's really strange looking. It looks like like a carbon copy of what you would think of if you're into sasquatch and you're into researching and you think about what a sasquatch footprint looks like. This is what this looks like.
And it's in a creek bed. We were just hiking along and I was stepping over to continue on up the ridge to the back of our property, and I looked down and I literally sort of laughed and said, hey, I found a footprint. You know, I thought, Okay, it's paradolia, right. I just glanced down and I thought, it looks like a footprint, you know something. It's just the way the leaves are. And
then I took a picture of it. I put my foot in and took a picture of it and said, the more I looked, I could see where there was five toes and this thing had like stepped down and pressed down farther into the front than in the back. It was a little bit. Yeah. It's almost like you know how you step into something and you don't put the back of your heel down and you're just kind of stepping in and
then stepping over. It's exactly what it looked like. I texted it to Doug Hi Chick, and Doug said, it looks like to him it looks like a handprint because he drew out over, Oh really where it looks like there's a thumb and maybe those are knuckles. And I was like, holy shit, I didn't even think about that. Wow, that's amazing. That's why I send it to Doug because he usually thinks outside the box. He thinks about things that I don't, and I just wanted to say, look,
am I crazy? Does this not look like a footprint? Or now maybe possibly a handprint, But It's so weird because there's only one. That's the only time I've ever found anything like that. I just stumbled across it. I mean, we were literally taking a hike to get away from work. I didn't want to do any big foot stuff. I didn't want to do any work stuff that day. I wasn't even going to take my camera
my phone with me. I just happened to take it. And then I find all these other stick structures and what looks like some fulcrumbs and ex formations and this all of the stuff. So it's just weird that, and it looks completely different from what I saw. You send pictures of looked almost like a very large human print. What I see does not look human to me. It looks very different. So I'm always curious about that and the differences
in the different areas. I mean, we're probably three three and a half hours away from each other as we sit now right, And how different it could be there versus what possibly made that print on my property. I don't know. Are you finding other footprints in other areas? Are they looking similar? And what other experiences are you having when you're out there? You know, when I find a foot actually let me. Let me just say that is a handprint that you found. I think that is even more rare than
just finding a footprint. I mean, that's you get you might have you might have some gold there, buddy. But you know, when I find a footprint, I kind of use my foot. It's kind of like a template. My foot's about ten and a half inches, but the widest part of my foot is about four and then my heel tapers down with three. So if I come across a footprint that a kind of is small, like you know, kind of tapers down, the width isn't there. I'm kind
of leaning toward a person. But if the footprint city Fine, is wider, then it's it's it's got to be something else. Another good print I found I was just it was the Brighton Mill of the summertime. I think it was two twenty. I just bought a pair of hip waiters and went down there one afternoon and just started walking different parts of the creek, you know, I mean the creek was getting kind of low, and just checking out the shallow areas of creek bed and it came across. It's really nice.
I believe I sent you the picture. It's about eight inches, but the width is about six and you can clearly make out the toes. I mean, it clearly looks like a left footprint. Wish. I'm pretty sure that it's it's coming from a juvenile because I've found similar print it's like that back probably about a quarter mile half mile down in a different areas that's around the same size, about eight inches, and it's wide her it's about six
inches there. So I'm assuming that there was a juvenile up in the area or up in that area for a while. But you know, I want to tell you back in that summer, we had a lot of rain come through that come through. I don't know if we had a tropical storm, but I know there was somebody. You know, how it is the weather is in springtime, it's just you can get down their massive downpours and if
you get storms coming across, it can be raining really really hard. Well, the creek there, it overflowed its bank that summer about three times. I mean if it overflowed about twelve feet, so it took a while for it to come down. And this one area was checking out. I think it was the first time that it overflowed its banks had come up. It had come down, but a left about an inch of water up in this one area. It's I don't know if it was kind of like like a
little bowl. So the area was pretty much like about five feet wide by about twenty feet long. But there was all sorts of bulking there. I mean, there was a pine bark, there's pine straw, leaves, twigs. So I went back there and checked out this area just to see how the water level was. One afternoon, it was a Saturday, Saturday afternoon, I remember it, and there was still about an inch of water up in that area, and it was pretty nasty. I came back four days
later. The water had either you know, subsided or soaked into the ground or whatever. But there was this huge footprint rate smack dab in the middle, you know, foot impression. It was down about an inch and it measured seventeen inches and it was eight and a half inches wide. Okay, now I'm thinking to myself, I'm just back here four days ago. I
mean, I didn't see it. You am I imagining it. So I remember somebody saying that these creatures kind of walking a straight line, I don't know what, because their legs are so long, but sure enough, I went straight line another footprint. It's from the heel to the toe with seven
feet with the seven feet stride. But it was the same exact size, same exact size, seventeen inches by eight and a half wide, and it was headed out of the woods down this little embankment and then headed toward the creek and on the other side of the creek is just bluffs as there's no trails or anything over there. So I tried to cast it. I had like about two bags of plaster of Paris with me, and it didn't even
come close to it. But I stopped my hand up up in there and you can actually feel the toes, you know, there's still some water. I was able to make a casting. I don't even know how good it would turn out. Just buy all the tree bark and tree straw and stuff like that there. But that was about the biggest one I found, And I kind of set a goal for myself if I can find that size footprint in like a creek bed or like in an area that I can make a
good casting of. I mean seventeen inches, man, that that would be awesome for a collection. Yeah, it's definitely big what I saw my foots. I've got like a size eleven boot, and this thing's probably I would estimate thirteen fourteen inches long. Again, I didn't have a tape measure, I didn't have anything with me. I was not doing anything bigfoot. I tried to go back A couple of days later. It rained. It started raining that afternoon, and then it rained for like two or three days.
I tried to go back, and I just haven't made it back to that area because I did want to go back and a see if it's still there and if it's castable, because it is pretty impressive to me that I found something like that on the property. And again, it could be something. It could be a bear track, it could be nothing. It could just look like a footprint. I don't know, but I find it interesting. Like I said that, if you're finding footprints in that area, there's something
going on, right. If it's a vocalization, We've had that here on the property. We've heard vocalizations. I've had weird stick structures, a couple of tree breaks, and possibly even some gifting stuff going on. But when you find something like a footprint, that's I'll be honest, you know, I'm still on the fence with most of this stuff, usually fifty fifty most days about everything bigfoot, but that really sort of lit a fire into me to say, yeah, you know, there's got to be a there there
because something made that one way or the other. It's all the other stuff. It's the totality of the circumstances, you know. I can go twenty yards away from where I found this print and I'm finding these weird structures and what looks like a nest. It's like a bundle of sticks and stuff that looks like it's woven together to make some sort of a nest. I showed it to Chris over it discover Sasquatch. Yesterday we were planning on I'm going
to be on his show as we record this Or'll Beyond tomorrow. He showed me a picture of what he took a picture of where he's at. It's almost identical to what I feel. And so I'm again it's like, wow, Oh, it's either something's made this or it's a natural thing that neither one of us know about. And it's a certain type of vegetation that grows that I don't know. So that's where I try to go. My skeptical brain says, go there first, Occam's razor. It's probably this instead of
that. You know, it makes a lot more sense. It's some sort of vegetation that just grows that way naturally. Then it is a sasquatch putting that together for whatever reason. Right, what you need to do is just go out and get yourself one of these little sony recorders and just stick and stick it back out there. You know, you can buy a little use a little external microphone, was it, and hanging up there in a tree and just just let a roll for a couple of days and then see if
you get any tree knocks. I mean, I think that's probably one of the telltale signs, is if you hear a tree knock. Now, there's a lot of things that you can get kind of misrepresent a tree knock, and that's obviously like a woodpecker, and especially like one of those redheaded woodpeckers, those big ones, because when they knock on the tree, man,
it sounds like somebody like actually knocking on your front door. But oh and upward the area that I am gunshots too, the tree knocks that that I've heard, and get on the record of the majority of them are just singles, and I'm pretty sure that it's kind of like a locator, kind of like you're over here, I'm over here. There's not stead. It'll be a single knock coming close, and then a few seconds later you'll hear a
knock way up on the ridge, answering it or vice versa. So back into not really gifting, but up in the area where I was leaving my recorder, I started just leaving apples up in the trees you have a recorder by, just to see if there is anything that's actually big, you know, coming into the area. Just trying just trying to get like an audio
of some footprints coming through. So I started leaving apples up in this area pretty pretty regularly, probably about twice a week, even trying to think outside the box, put like little baby rattles up up in the trees to see if something grabs it and shakes it. Even try to put out pictures of myself out there, just to try to get them and say, hey, this is the this is the nice guy that's leaving all these nice apples.
But it got to the point where I was on midnight shift, so I would get up there first thing in the morning, you know, nobody'll be out there. Get out of my vehicle where I was carking, and here comes a tree knock out out of the woods. I mean like like really close by. You know that that happened probably about four or five times, or if I'm out there by myself, go down the trail going down to the creek, here comes a knock on the other side of the creek.
And when I'm leaving, there might be a knock over on this side of the creek. But one time I didn't even have no gear. I didn't even have my tree knock or nothing with me. I just went down there just to check out just the levels of the creek. He was I think it was either in the fall of that year the summer later summer of that year, and it got to the point that I get down to the one point, get down to the one area of the creek, and you hear
a knock come across. So I got down there, didn't hear anything, So okay, I'll go down the creek downstream and as I'm going downstream, here comes it's on the other side of the of the creek there, So here comes a knock on the other side, but down probably one hundred yards one hundred and fifty yards. So I kept on going. I really didn't do anything. I kept on going. I got about midway. Here comes
another knock parallel to where I was. I got down to or the before I heard the first knock was about one hundred and fifty yards where I first started. Whatever it was was coming upstream, and I was going downstream because this thing knocked the third time back up here, so I was. I didn't have any gear, so I was just basically just doing cheek pops. I mean it was really quiet. There was really dead, so you do
it cheek pop and it was basically just going back and forth. And then the one audio clip by Sunchi it was it was the last cheek pop I did. Did the pop? You hear like this hawk squawking, and then right after that it sounds like something nails a big pine tree over on the other side with a baseball bat. So we were like going back and forth.
I mean it was awesome. O holy shit. Yeah, I kind of I had some hype Hower binoculars, so I kind of like hunkered down along the creek and down it through the trees, but I didn't see anything, but that was pretty cool, you know, going back and forth like
that along the lines of tree knocks too. I've also heard with my one ears and got him on an audio recorder something hitting a tree so hard that the tree breaks, and either you hear the tree fall over or the tree starts to break, you hear out like the fibers in the tree start cracking. That's happened to me in a late afternoon twice, and on audio recorder. I've got it two o'clock in the morning, six o'clock in the morning, stuff like that happening. Yeah, people have been after me for years
to put out the recorders either just on my porch. I thought about that just after this lightest incident, after I saw the foot prying and the other things that I found in the woods. But literally like three days ago, I got up and we're in the country, so I like to pee off the front porch at night. So it's like three three fifteen, I outside, and they do it here in the citadels, right, So I go
outside and I hear what sounds like these four pretty rapid. I don't even know how to describe it, but what people would call power knocks, and it seems it's not close. It's it's definitely behind us on this big ridge back here on the back of our property. You know, if I had to guess, i'd probably say half a mile to you know, maybe three quarters of a mile away behind us. But it was loud. You know, we live in the country, dude. Like three o'clock in the morning
on a random whatever, Wednesday, Thursday. This was everybody's asleep. It's not like Atlanta. You know. I used to work overnight. So when I worked midnights as a cop in Atlanta, three o'clock, people are just getting wound up during the week. Yeah, yeah, but not here. I was racking my brain thinking what could this noise be, right, I was trying to do the Okham's razor thing and go to well, was it gunshots? No, it wasn't gunshots, was it? Yeah? I was
it somebody? It's it almost sounded like somebody using this big construction hammer, you know, like putting sighting on a house or something, is what it sounded like to me. Just bam, bam, bam bam, like four times. Nothing else after that. And then you know, I think maybe five o'clock that morning, I woke up and i'd heard it again. We had the windows open because it was like fifty degrees out and I heard one that was it, And I'm thinking, and the hell is that? Stay
tuned for more sasquat j oot to see. Well, be right back after these messages. I mean, you figure woodpeckers aren't going to be out at nighttime. I mean they're gonna be in their rooster in there whatever they have there, one of the only birds that's out there at nighttime, or owls, but they're not going to be knocking, doing tree knocks or any kind of knocks like that. Though. Yeah, and I've heard those. I
think they're called pileated. I've said the names about the big red headed woodpeckers before, and I think I always I called it pilated, and they were like, it's pileated. Well, however you say it. I've heard one of those, right, I hear them during the day, Yes, And you know what that is immediately. It's like you know, and you can hear it up on the ridge on the other side of the road to wherever,
and I know it's a woodpecker. This was definitely not that, and again it was at three o'clock in the morn and again I would say probably four forty five five o'clock. I don't know, man, It's just it's really strange stuff. Again, I don't ever definitively say it's bigfoot, but you know, after you figure I don't know what it could be other than that, and you start asking yourself, well, maybe that's what it is.
What other experiences are you having out there? Man? Do you think you've come close to a siding when you've been out it's like three and a half years. I'm out there kind of like playing like a cat and mouse game. You mean, you're hearing tree knocks, You're getting some awesome stuff on audio recorders. You're finding a footprint, you'd find it like a little shelter. You're findings these really cool tree structures or tree things back out into
woods where no one should be. And it all came. The last piece of the puzzle came in this April fourteenth. I was it was two thirty in the afternoon. The weather conditions, it was cloudy, so there was no sun and through it all to kind of create any kind of weird, funky shadow or anything like that. I was on this country road. It's a two lane country road and it has a shallow shoulders, so it's you
really can't park on it. I've been up and down that road hundreds of times, but never thought that I was going to see one across the road at two thirty in the afternoon, because when I'm up in that area, I usually had my cell phone at nighttime, usually had my cell phone up
on my dash recording because I've figured something's going to be at nighttime. So what the road is is you got to go through a couple of couple of turns, you got a straight part of the road, and then you got like a little hill that you're going to go up pretty sure, I sent you the pictures. So I went to the turns and got onto the straight part of the road. I'm looking up at the hill and here comes a coming down down the hill. Was a truck and it had like a big
trailer on it. It was like one of those fifth wheels trailers you know, you can probably put like a cars or some kind of farm equipment on it. So it was coming down on the right hand side. What it looked like at first was it looked like a tree was just there. I was thinking, it can't be a tree because it's it's out from the tree line. I mean, it's it's closer to the road than where a tree
would be. So I'm guessing it was probably a hunter. You know, they do a lot of hunting there, and like I mentioned before, there they lose their dogs. So there you see them out there all the time just trying to wrangle up their dogs and try to find them something. And maybe it's just a hunter looking for its dog. So when I first seen this thing standing up alongside the road, it was between you got the truck and the trailer coming down. It was like right where the hitch would be.
So as soon as the trailer passed it, what this thing does? It swayed back, and then it started crossing the road. And still at that point, I'm still thinking hunter. But the first thing that stood out, which the first red flag was ever though that the truck and the trailer was on the down slope, this thing was much much taller than like the highest point of that vehicle at that time. Now I'm still on I'm still on this destraight away and I'm still going fifty miles an hour toward it,
so the view is getting better and better. So by the time it got to the middle stripe of the road, the truck and the trailer had already gone down far enough that I just had like a perfect view of this thing. What it did was it walked from my right across the road to the left, and it went up into the woods that way, So it never stopped and looked at me. It may have looked at me out of the corner of it's I it may not even knew that I was coming up that
way. So when I seen it, when it was crossing the yellow line of the road, what I thought was a tree at the beginning was actually its arm, it's left arm. First thing I'll mention it was it was two toned. Its head and its arm was either a black or like a very very dark brown, and the body was either a tan or like a blonde. It was really light, so that's how I could see it so well. I was looking right at the side of its head, the shape
of its head, and the arm coming down. So what I thought it was a tree at first was actually it's left arm just hanging there the whole time. It did not move its arm. Its arm was down straight, and it looked like it went down to around where its knee area would be. Looking at its head, the only thing I could describe it as is like a giant football. It was peaked on the top. It was peaked
on the bottom, which I'm assuming where its chin was. But it was not like, like, yeah, how a person, if you're standing straight, your head is like right above your shoulders. Its head was forward a little bit and down a little bit. And the first thing that popped in my mind was if you looked at Beauty and the Beast cartoon and you look at the side profile of the beast, you know, minus the horns on its head. But that's how the head was in relations to where it was
on the body crossed over the left hand lane. The thing didn't even sway. It didn't not make any kind of like up or down movement or anything. For the whole time I'm there, I'm just staring right a head, its freighthead, its head and right ads towards where the arm legged shoulder was, And this thing just glided right across the road without even making any kind of movement. And I would say if the whole time that from point A to point B was probably about six seconds. So it did not run.
It basically walked across. Because if it would have ran across, you would you would assume there'd become some kind of head bobbing movement and it probably would have cleared that road in about two seconds. Where I lost it, where I went into the woods, I was about two hundred yards away from it. And what it did was it got over to the shoulder. Like I said, it's it's a shallow shoulder, and then the step up is probably
about three feet and then you're into the woods. It turned very slightly away from me, went up into the woods. I was able to see it's the right shoulder blade and that's how I seen where the color of its hair was. And into the woods, I was not close enough to tell if it was like a male or female or get any kind of like a muscle
and definition. But except for the shoulder blade when it turned and went up into the woods, just the way that the shape of its head and how it was positioned on its body, I mean, there's no way that that was a human. There was some kind of a monster. Yeah, how tall do you think this thing was. Do you have any idea about how much it might have weighed. I don't know how much it weighed. It didn't appear to have like a real barrel chested like a thick body. Was
more slender. It could have been toned. Went out there about three days later, take some pictures and try to take a measurement, and the best it could come up with about seven and a half eight feet tall. I mean, the closer I got to this thing, when it was in the left tan lane and just about to getting over his shoulder, I'm just looking up at him like, oh my god, this thing is vague. Yeah, Like I said, I went back about three days later. I went
into the area where it came out of. I'm assuming it was was private property and were it crossed into was stay property. So all I want to say, I went into the to the woods where where it came out of and found I found some tree breaks that that kind of stood out. There was a bunch of down trees and they were kind of like in like a weird kind of like a stacking formation, which could be anything, you know.
Basically, the tree breaks really really stood out. And it also left an audio recorder into the woods where it went into for a couple of nights and got some tree knocks that they pretty much were back out in the distance. I think I sent you two which were probably about the loudest ones. When was at ten o'clock at night and when was at two o'clock in the morning, So there was tree knox going on where it went into. But it was like the last piece of the puzzle was right there. Here.
I am trumping through the woods, you know, looking for stuff, and I just happened to be at the right place at the right time and looking at the right direction. Because if I would have, you know, if I would have been fooling around with my cell phone or fooling around with the radio or I wouldn't, I would have missed it. I mean, like I said, the whole thing was like about six seconds, and I just happened to be looking rate at this that thing and got it. It's the
craziest thing in the world. Awesome, man, there's the Peter Burns out there that have been looking for Bigfoot for fifty years and somebody almost hits one monthly in a priest. That's all you gotta do is drive around them, and that's what I've always said, that's how I want to see these things.
I can tell you. I was out yesterday and I'm a little bit of a nerd, so I started watching some gold Rush reruns and I went out and I ended up panting for some gold just to pass some time yesterday on Sunday here on the property, and I got pretty deep into the property away from the house, and I started hearing some weird shit around me in the woods, and I sort of had that feeling like I was being watched. Could have been a big cat, could been a squirrel, I don't
know. But I had this moment where I thought, holy shit, If I'm out here, been over killing my back panting for gold and I look up and there's a sasquatch on the ridge, I'm probably gonna shiit my pants. I do not want to have that kind of encounter. Honestly. I wanted to be in a car at fifty miles an hour where I can say, yep, I know exactly what that is, and I'm going to go into the grocery store. That's just how I want to have my encounter.
And the other thing that that played in my favor a crossed. You got the hill, there's a cross right in the middle, so it's the background. When it was crossing, the background was still the road, opposed to like if it was out on top of the hill and they crossed, you're gonna have some kind of trees and maybe part of the sky that's kind of like obscuring your view. But this thing crossed right in the middle of the hill. Background was the road, so I had like a great view of
it. You kind of mentally prepare yourself and every day when you go out there, what are you gonna do if you're run into this and you're just trying to make like mental pictures of what this thing would look like. But I think if I was out there by myself off and I came across this thing, every though I am armed, and this thing was in a bad
mood, I mean, I don't know what I would do. I mean, I would either have to take one for the team, or I mean I can actually see where this for the right person or the wrong person this way running into one of these things, especially what I seen, might cause some like emotional trauma. I mean, this thing was a monster. I mean, just just the way that it looked the way that it moved.
I've never seen anything, you know. I caught a picture of an ORB by my game camera years ago, but that could have been either a spirit activity or because there's paranormal stuff that's going on there too. But I've never seen anything, you know, directly related to Bigfoot and like an ORB coming down or a light coming out of the sky and zapping it up or anything. So I don't know what it is. I'm leaning toward flesh and blood, but yeah, this this thing was looked like a damn monster. It
sounds like it. Man. We've talked about it a couple of times. I will definitely post the pictures and stuff that you sent me over on the Sasquatch out to See blog so you can check out Paranormal ward Productions dot com. Check out the blog at the top of the page. But do you post your stuff? Don't you have a website? We want to tell people where they can go and find some of the stuff that you post. Yes, started a website about three years ago just because of all the stuff that
I've been documenting and just all the stuff that's been happening. It's meat doc Bigfoot dot com. M e d oc bigfoot dot com and that's the area. And I just throw up stuff that I caught on audio recorder and just different stuff that's been happening. You know, documents do have a little fun with it. I will have that linked in the show notes. You guys, go over and check out meat doc bigfoot dot com. Johnny, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your stuff. Man, I've had a blast.
It's been an honor, right. I really appreciate you having me. They say you don't gotta go home. We're all out. That chime, this joy, that chime, everything coming right back, right baby. My choice for me to stay right now, I'm coming right away. Ssssstcame the brass to us, to us, to us, to us, to us, to use us.