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Today everybody, this is Less Striving Yes, yes I know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatchas Hey guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch. Obviously, thank you so much for clicking play. It is Sunday. I hope you guys are having a great weekend. Have an amazing show Lindy for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter you'd like to be on the show, shoot

me an email you give me at Brian at Paranormalworldquestions dot com. You can head over to the website check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As I say, we've got a great show will lined up for you. I decided to put out something that I actually did last year. I was a guest over on the Western New York Bigfoot Investigations Group. I was on Joe's show over there on YouTube last year and we had a blast. This is like a two hour interview that I did because we

talked about everything Bigfoot. Leon Thompson from Bigfoot Okanagan joined in and we just had a blast. And I hope you guys really enjoy this as much as I enjoyed talking to those guys. It was a really, really fun night. If you would, if you're listening on Apple podcast or Spotify, take a couple of seconds to rate interview the show, and we'd love to have

you join us on Instagram follow us at Sasquatch Odyssey. You can check us out and follow us on TikTok at sasquatch Odyssee podcast, and please join us in the Sasquatch Odyssey Fans group on Facebook. But enough of that, I know you guys are ready to get into it. I'm gonna stop talking. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. All right, Hello everybody, and welcome to Joe asked, Wait a minute, what I'm your host, Joe, you know me? And over there is your

other host, Jen you know where too? Hey, everybody down there joining us is Leon. Leon. Did you get your audio working? Nope? All right, Leon's gonna work on his audio. But hey, tonight, folks, we got a pretty interesting guest then working on this. For a while, we've been kind of crossing pass here and there, trying to work it out and get together on this, and I just appeared on his show the other night. He's a rather accomplished interviewer in my opinion anyway, real

easy guys to have an interview with. So well further ado, Actually, I'm gonna bring on our guest, mister Brian King Sharp saspotch Otisee. Did you have a good Turkey day? I did, Man, I just came back from You can probably hear my family in the background. We were playing cards and they're all still pissed off because the person who wasn't supposed to win one. So it's been a fun time we've had. We've had a blast. I've had the end laws over so good times, man, good times,

awesome, awesome. So yeah, So, as I mentioned, yeah, we've been going around back and forth trying to get any other on the podcast here. We finally managed to work. And I gotta tell you again, I mean, I really enjoyed being on with you the other day. Really easy to talk to you. So that made it. That made it a lot easier, you know that I was. I was comfortable and speaking with you, and you know you have that particular skill, so you know,

start this whole thing kind of give people. Let's do a little bit of let's do a little background on mister Brian King Sharp, you know, just a little bit of your background and what kind of got you into just podcasting in general. Want us to, like Da Roberts did on my show, I'm a hill billy from West Virginia. I was actually born and raised in North Georgia, and I eventually became a cop there. I was a

City of Atlanta police officer. I was in a law enforcement for a little over sixteen years and I left that in twenty sixteen, bought almost forty acres of property here in North Carolina, just kind of settled into what I'm doing now, which is the podcasting, which was really interesting because it's not something

I ever saw myself doing. I never even really listened to podcast and then somebody turned me on to a couple of podcasts that I started listening to that were in the Bigfoot Realm, and I thought, well, you know, I'd like to document as many cases from the Southeastern United States where I'm from if possible, and talk to people from there. So I started reaching out to folks in the Facebook groups and the first guy had on the show.

Episode number one was a roadside bigfoot crossing here in North Carolina. It was really interesting. He was an interesting character. I think his name was kil and he had some really interesting things to say. He had some really interesting approaches. He would go out and he was literally a flute player and he would play the flute or bigfoot in these woods where he was. And I

know that's a big thing. You know, some of the podcast I was listening to at the time talking about the flute players and you know, the people that were into the woo and that kind of thing. So and I was literally recording I've told the story so many times, but I was literally recording it on my iPhone with this free out called rev Or something that you could record phone calls. And it was horrible audio quality. I mean, it was horrendous audio quality. But I was trying to make the best of

it. I was still doing what I wanted to do, talking to people, documenting as many cases as I could that people had encounters with these things. And I don't know, it was about two or three months into the show, and you know, at first, nobody listens, right, there's zero listeners, and then you get like twenty five people that are downloading,

and then it was fifty people. Then one hundred three months in, it was starting to pick up, and I'll never forget I get this email from West Germer squat Chronicles, and West was like, hey, man, I listen to your show. Your audio sucks, So why don't you let me help pick some of the audio problems that you have. So he called me up and I ordered some of the equipment that he's been using on his show, and he helped me kind of dial it in, and the audio quality

of the show changed literally overnight. That was working fifty hours a week at a retail job, managing a store. I was managing fifty people at one time, and I was driving two hours a day round trip, and I was putting out shows. It got to the point where I was able to make enough revenue off the show that I was almost replaced in my end front,

but I wasn't quite there. And finally I said, the only way I'm going to be able to do this full time and commit to what I really love doing, which is the show, is I just got to pull the trigger and say, you know what, I gotta do this full time. So March at this point of this year, which I posted the first sasquatch Odyssee episode February seventh of last year, and in March of this year, I was able to leave my full time job is our podcast and full

time and now I do four shows. Yeah, I was, And that's that's interesting. Now. I think you had mentioned you were in law enforcement for many years, like sixteen years, right, would you say that that time, during that time, you say that that was one of the major things or that really lent a lot towards your interviewing skills, I would imagine, I guess. So, you know, I did a lot of interviewing

people. You know, I answered nine one calls all the time, so it was constantly interviewing and talking about what was going on, you know, investigating crimes and things like that. But I don't know, I've just always sort of had a knack for that kind of thing. I don't know, it's just just kind of been my thing. I've always done public speaking. I was in bands from the time that I was a teenager, and I sang for many many years and kind of performed all the time in front of

a lot of people. So it was kind of a natural progression for me. I guess I'm sure the interviewing thing was honed in. I took a lot of interviewing classes as a cop and learn how to interrogate people. I don't try to interrogate people on the show. That's not my third people who have had big foot encounters. It's more of a conversation. That was one of the appeals for me for some of the shows that I started listening to initially was I didn't like a bunch of back and forth banter. I just

wanted to be the story of the person who experienced it. So I think that's been something I've tried to do and I still try to do every single time I sit down with somebody as just shut your mouth, open your two ears, and listen, and this guide the people as they need to be guided. That's kind of what I do. Yeah. Now, when it comes to the podcast, you, as I mentioned like in the description, I mean you you run the gummy. I mean you've done several different subjects

like I think. I mean, I heard you mentioned true crime. If he's gone to podcasts on that now, I would imagine that you know it was your time in the law Enforcement, which you know lent to that. So how did you tell me a little bit about the true crime route? Are you still doing that? Do you still have a true crime podcast? I do. I just gave up the Paranormal podcast, so I found a host to take that over. It's still my show, but I found Wayne

from Animal Research. He has his own YouTube channel. It's now Paranormal Odyssey, but he had his own channel on YouTube for several years and he was doing shows over there. He took over the Paranormal Odyssey show for me just over the last month. He's about three or four shows in over there. But I do the true crime show every week. I didn't do one because of the holiday this week. I took the week off. But it's definitely a labor of love. It's way more as far as the research part of

it. It's way more intense than setting down and just interviewing somebody who's had an experience. I have to go in and deep dive and research the case. Then I have to write the episode, and then I have to record the episode. Because it's pretty much just me narrating the show as it unfolds and trying to do, you know, at justice because to me, it's all about the victims. It's always been about the victims. For me, I've been a victim of crime as a cop. I mean, my car

was broken into many times. I was shot at twice. You know, I had a lot of experiences. And my grandmother was murdered when I was a child. So I've always been interested in the true crime thing, you know, for a yard of different reasons. But it's very labor intensive and frankly, there's not a lot of return on investment. Yet it's still a virgining show. It's a it's a new show. So I'm about thirty eight episodes. I guess in on that show it's doing well, but you know,

it's it's a lot of work. So but I do those weekly. I put out a new show every single week on Tuesdays. Be interesting in in the near future to get back with you again and then because I'm just trying to let you get a few under your belt, and then maybe someday get you back on and you can talk about which which are the cases that have most interested you when it comes to that. Well, lad even you also mentioned again you dabbled in not only just true grind, but also paranormal.

How did you get into the paranormal? I mean, what was there something that you yourself had happened experience in your life that you went, you know, I really should just really just dive into this paranormal stuff a little bit too. Yeah, I had tons of paranormal stuff as a child.

I lived in some houses that were haunted. One of the childhood houses that I lived in when I was from like ten to fourteen ish or maybe fifteen, was haunted and there were some possible satanic stuff going on, some devil worshiping stuff before we moved in, and it was a really active place. So I started having those kind of experiences, hearing things at night, scratching on the walls, just a lot of interesting paranormal stuff. So I've always

been interested in that as well. And my mom's lived in several haunted houses, and she's told me those stories from her childhood and early adult hood, and some of our relatives that have experienced certain things like that, my sisters lived in a haunted house. I caught an EVP in a house that she was living then, which was pretty interesting. But I've always had that fascination and it was sort of born out of I started the Sasquatch Odyssey podcast specifically

to cover bigfoot encounters. But as you know, you interview people, Leon can attest to this, Jen, I'm sure you can attest to it as well. Every time you're talking to somebody, it's well, if you had any other weird things happen, Yeah, there's these lights, and there's that one time I saw that UFO, and then there's this ghost that comes in visits and then you just unpeel this onion. And you know, for the most part, at least in my experience, most bigfoot people are sort of

purist, right. They want their big foot and that's all they want to talk about. If it even goes outside of where they want to talk about or how they want to talk about big Foot, they don't want to talk about it. So I started the Paranormal Odyssey podcast just to give a space for those people who have had the UFO, alien abductions, dog man encounters, and some of the weirder stuff ghost encounters and things like that. So that's kind of how that show was born, to give it a separate space

for people to come on and share that as well. So that's funny. You should mention that, because that's how this show, what this show was born out of two was. You know. I was like, well, you know, I really it was hard because for a while I was doing three shows a week and I was like, wow, man, this is just too much to juggle around three shows. I got to cut this back. So I cut it back to two. And then I was like, well, I don't really want two big foot shows. So that's what this

was bo out. I was like, Okay, that one's for big foot, this one is four. Well we can talk about a big foot on this show, but this one is more expansive. This is everything that makes me go wait a minute. Worked, And so I figured this was a good good one to have you on because you've covered so many different topics and subject as we said, from true crime all the way to other rift kids and all that stuff. So this was perfect place to have you on.

As far as i'm sir and now, so would you say that in a way like I can say, look, I'm a hundred percent sure that sas Watch is real. Are you at that point when it comes to like para normal and ghosts and you say that for you that you one hundred percent know that ghosts are real. Absolutely not. I don't think I'm one hundred percent on anything. Okay. You know, in the beginning, folks kind of gave me cryp because I wouldn't stick in a lane. But that's just who

I am. I don't tell any lines for anybody. I don't pull any punches when it comes to my show, and I'm just not one hundred percent on anything. You and I talked about that. You and Leon and I talked about that just about everybody I've had on the show. I'm never one hundred percent sure about anything, even my own experience. I think I had a big foot encounter when I was twelve or so. I think I was bluff charged and ran out of the woods by one of these things. But

I've had people bring up other weird things. Leon's probably going to get a kick out of this, because you're explaining an enigma with another phenomena wrapped in a second enigma. But I had a guy who interviewed me last year.

I was a guest on another show, and he said, well, with the demonic stuff that was going on in your house, do you think it's possible that your bigfoot experience or what you perceived to be a Bigfoot experience might have been one of these demonic things that was chasing you through the woods. And I'm like, well, holy shit, I don't know. You might be right, So I keep my mind open to everything. You know, I don't ever definitively say that Bigfoot is one hundred percent real. I don't

think ghost necessarily in that. For me, I believe in most of those things. And my disclaimer for everybody who's ever on my show is I don't have anybody on my show who does not believe that they have had the experience that they say they've had. That leaves a wide open berth for a lot of things, right, just because they believe it doesn't necessarily make it true, but it is what it is. But I don't have people on that I just believe you're just making stuff up. I'm not percent on anything,

man. My mind is completely open to just every possibility. Yeah, and hey, that's that's a fair enough answer. That's and it's totally acceptable answer, Vick, does I mean, I think I think that's about the only thing I will say that I'm one hundred percent sure about is the existence of a sas budge, but everything else, Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent

sure about anything else. Like you know, I don't I don't necessarily believe in ghosts, but I'm not one hundred percent sure that there's not something there, you know, because as you mentioned, I mean, you can acknowledge, you know, even if you don't totally you know, believe something is real, you can't acknowledge that weird stuff that just you can't explain does happen

to be you know. Now, That's the thing that that's one thing you just mentioned that I did want to cover about is you had mentioned that during I think during yeah you did. When I when you were interviewed in me, you hadn't mentioned about occurrences on some property you have, and and about the bluff charge at twelve. And I wrote that down because I wanted to make sure I did ask you about those. Say so, um, could you give us a little bit of a little more in depth about what happened

when you were twelve years old? About this bluff charge and what makes you what what was it to made you with holy crap, that could have been a big foot that just buff guard me. Well, in retrospect, there's a couple of things, but I think the big thing for me back then was just the feeling that I had And Leon and I kind of talked about this when when I had Leon on That hasn't aired yet, but it will eventually in the next couple of Hey, I hear you, Leon, you're

laughing. YO, was waiting, can you hear me? Hear me? Or just I haven't said anything like yeah, a little bit, that's awesome. Oad. I was thinking, we're just going to stare at you all night, and I was I was prepared to say nothing and leave the room.

So so yeah, I think Leon and I kind of talked about this, but it was more about the feeling that I got when I was in the woods, Like I was out squirrel hunting, and I'd been out in these woods forever and experienced so many different things, but nothing like this, and I just had this overwhelming feeling of I need to get out of here. I shouldn't be here, you know, And like Leon and I talked about this, and he can even talk a little bit more to this,

I guess after I get finished. But there's that one thing that just sticks out in my mind, and it's I've never felt that feeling before. Could it have been a mountain lion? Sure? Could it have been a bear? Sure? Could it have been a lot of things that I didn't see that would have caused me to have that reaction. My body's having this physical reaction to this unknown threat, but it's it's just that overwhelming feeling. And

I started experience in that. And then I hear these this movement what sounds like a bipedal something upright, walking heavily and making all these noises, snorts, tofts, growls, and then I feel what I believe to be bluff charges a couple of times, and I didn't wait for the third time. I was out. I was gone. I was knees, assholes, and elbows. I was gone. And I ran like the three to four hundred

yards back to my house. And I didn't tell anybody about it. I didn't go in and tell my mom that something ran me out of the woods. A because I'm smart, I'm twelve. I tell you that I'm never gonna get to go back in the woods again, so I'm just gonna chalk it up. Let it be done. But that was the only time I'd ever experienced anything like that to this day. I've never had the same type

of experience. And I've been in the woods a lot. We live in the woods here, you know, we're in the woods every single day on our property. We have forty acres here and we're surrounded by nothing but woods. So it was just one of those things that I can't say what it was. It could have been. You know, people said, it's a deer snort. Well, I've heard a deer snort. It wasn't a deer snort. You know, I kind of know what it wasn't, but I can't tell you what it was, right, right, And so many times

it seems like that that's the case a lot of times. I mean there's I mean, there's been plenty of times and the time that I've been investigating this stuff that yeah, I mean I could tell you what it what wasn't, But there's play times like, well I can't tell you what it was though. Yeah. That's and and you know, the bluff charts thing is something that I have heard. Now, I personally haven't ever interviewed somebody who's

told me that they were bluff charged. Most of the people I've talked to, it's pretty much cut and gry encounters that they've had, you know, either they saw it run in front of their car, or they were out hiking and it crossed, you know, a trail in front of them, you know, a few hundred yards away or whatever. And but the bluff charge thing is interesting. It sounds scary to me, you know. And and I gotta admit some of the ones that I did hear later that you

know, secondhand, Um, some of them I did believe. I'm like,

well, that's that's there's there's something there. And then plus the reaction of the person talking about it, I was like, you know, you don't you don't get at least in my mind, you don't get afraid or seem scared over imaginary stuff, right, this is stuff that you really you know, it's not that you imagined it, you know, or if you're making it up right, you don't tend to be able to act like you're scared over something you're making up right, And these people actually seemed affected by

the fact that they were They thought they were bluff charged by something that well potentially is at least eight foot tall and probably strong enough to rip them in half or whatever. But leon, yeah, he said that you got anything to say about. I don't want to push my luck. I just got your mic on. Dude, you gotta talk a little bit about what the brain goes through when you experience. Oh. I think you guys all know that. The idea is, if something's looking at you in the bush.

We talked about this. Just if you're ever in a restaurant, just watch somebody's lower shoulders back like you're watching your backside, and then move you After you d do that, knows nothing will happen, then look at the back of their head. So I mean, I've been in the bush before. I had different flavors for a different kind of willie. So I've been on the bus. I got the same sort of stance. Something was there was no didn't go deern't clear raccoon, didn't go dash batches when the cougar like

bag. The good thing that you did that I think most should do. Always if your spidy sense is tingling, always go back to the ear. But if I don't use something, there may be something difference between your yourself spooking yourself and the environment your brain trying to you something. You're still having the same issue you were having on myne No, I know that's what it's all much matter when it's just your computer. So I'm gonna play hurst and

say just take the damn microphone off and talking through that. But anyway, but you're right about the spidy sense, right. It happened to me when I was a cop, because that would happened to me all the time. But you know, you would have those moments when something would say I need to walk around to this side of the car, I need to walk around to that side of the car, and vice versa or whatever. And I

listen to that, and I'm still alive because of it. And I think that a lot of people get that in the woods, and that's what you're experiencing. And it may not necessarily be a mind speak thing where something says get out or whatever the case may be, but there's there's something physiological happening that happens to everybody because we have that part of our brain, a lizard part of the brain that kicks in and says, Okay, there's a predator

you don't know about. You need to be aware of this. You need to get out of here, and get out of here now. And when I interview people who have had mind speak or what they believe to be mind speak sort of encounters. That's one of the things that's always in the back of my mind, and I asked them that. Like Less Stroud for example,

comes to mind when I had survive him in on the show. I asked him about that, because he's had maybe two or three mind speak or what he pullieves to be telepathic communication situations with Bigfoot, and I don't know, you know, I mean, he's a pretty intelligent guy. He knows the outdoors. He's been out, you know, plenty of times when he says he feels like this thing was talking. Did you know who am I

to discredit that and say that's not his experience. I'm not going to do that, right, And it could possibly be these other things, you know, And we always have to keep an open mind. And Hockham's Razor right that the simplest explanation is usually what it boils down to. So yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you on that. I mean, I just recently put up a post on my Facebook page, the Western New York fiboot

in Desta, just mulling things over which my brain is constantly doing. You know, if I you know, anytime I'm sitting still and I'm out of work, and even sometimes doing them. I put that up the same way. I mean, yes, I am super skeptical about the whole mind speak this and that and most of what people call WOO. I'm very skeptical of it. But like I put in that post, so am I saying it definitely didn't happen. No, I'm not saying that. I can't say that.

I can't say it definitely didn't happen. The only thing I can say is that, well I can. I'm pretty skeptical of it, unless you know, when it comes to extraordinary claims, they were for extraordinary evidence, and you know, if you have some of that, then you know,

I'll probably be less skeptical. But but I'm not going to say if somebody tells me that, yeah, I might okay, might have been something else going on there, unless you can prove to me, you know, But I'm not gonna say it definitely didn't happen to you, right, Get I wasn't so. And I mean, anybody that says they're hearing certain voices in their heads, how are you going to tell them that, No, you're not you're not hearing voices in your head help them. Maybe maybe you are

right. And I've I've used the psychosis word on the show a couple of times over the last couple of weeks because there there can be some of that on board, right, And I've said it before. I know, I've interviewed, I've tried to weed out as many people as I can, but I know I've probably had people on the show that I've probably had some mental illness on board. I think that's going to happen if you do what we

do long enough, you're going to have that from people. But the majority of the people that I have on and it's happened recently with dog Man. I am a very skeptical person in general, but specifically with dog Man and other cryptids, because I just don't know how it is possible physiologically for those things to exist. Right with Big Slot, we're talking possible homing in. I'm anoid. You know, it's we have a fossil record that proves that

we're not the only things that have ever walked up right. Okay, but but an eight foot tall bipedal canine or canaid. You and I talked about this when you were on the show briefly. Yeah, it just doesn't compute to me, It doesn't make sense. But I've had very credible people, three people I've interviewed now to date on the show that have had what they believed to be several bigfoot and or dog man encounters. Specifically with the dog

man encounters. Da Roberts from Dax Mockner was on the show recently. Da is former law enforcement and he's former military. Yeah, he's an intelligent guy. He's a truthful guy. He's an honest guy. I don't believe that Da is making up anything when he tells me his stories. Right, He's had encounters with things that just don't seem to be anything other than a dog

man, and I just have to throw my hands up. And of course when I put those shows out, I have listeners, you know, to say, oh, he's clearly he's full of shit, he's stelling a lie. You can tell he's embellishing. Well, how do you know that? Because on the flip side, right, you're making extraordinary claims that require extraordinary

evidence. But it's also an extraordinary extreme in my opinion, to call somebody a liar and tell you that they're making them up their entire story without some kind of proof to back that up, right, I got to give him the benefit of the doubt, right exactly, I don't know exactly now. I mean, I know that there are some people out there. I'm not going into that particular tangent right here, but there are some people out there with the dog Man stuff that I'm fully, fully in the camp of you're

just totally making up this bs, you know. But in general, people that are just you know, not even I'm not talking about people that have dog man ages or anything. They're just people that would be like, oh wow, I think I saw one. Okay, maybe you did. I for mysel self, Like I said, I agree with you. I'm about

in the same camp you are. I don't see any physical evidence of dog Man ever, not even as much as I have a big book, right, So if you gave me at least that much, I'd be like more in the realm of Okay, possibly dog Man is reel, then stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Sea Wolf right back after these messages. But other than that, man, I mean, I would love it if dog Man.

I think I mentioned it on your show cha. I love werewolves, man, and I mean I understand it probably dogman and a werewolf alike and throw two different things, right, Apparently a dog man is a bipedal canine and that's what it is all the time. It never changes into a human or whatever. But I would love it if they were real, you know, scary as I saw. I would love it if that was real,

because I loved that kind of stuff ever since I was a kid. I just don't see it because there's no evidence in the fossil record for it. Now, having said that, I know there's the people that will bring up the well, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and I've used that myself, and okay, you can probably use that just because no fossil has been found. But I don't know, again, knowing what I do know, or at least what I've studied, and I'm no expert on this.

I'm not a private biologist or anything like that or biologists, but I just there's been no examples even living, not even fossil, but of any knine species being bipedople. But having said that, I do want to go out to asking you about you made mention about occurrences, and we briefly mentioned a few of these things in my air view you had mentioned about I think we were talking about the stick stuff and stick structures and things of that nature.

There are things, Oh, there are things that you said happened occurrences on your property that made Now you've never said, oh, this has gotta be bigfoot on my property. I understand that you haven't gone there at all, which I think is well podos to you. But there's something. There's gotta be something that makes you go, what's a possibility. So could you just give us some some examples of what you mean by occurrences that may make

you think it's possible that there would be something like that. I'm that property. I'll tell you some things that will make Joe go, wait a minute. What. So the first things were always it was vocalizations. When we first moved to the property, that's the first thing we got. And it was distant. It was I'm talking mile mile and a half behind this river, and it was sort of like this ohio howel type vocalization like oh, you know, could have been anything, right, But we can sit out

in the hot tub like last winner, and it's thirty degrees out. We're having a glass of wine, we're in the hot tub, and I don't know if it was too many glasses of wine or what, but we started hearing these vocalizations and it sounded really interesting, right, And so I would hear this, and it's in the distance. Then you'd hear coyotes, you'd hear other other wildlife whatever, and so we were getting that and that's it is what it is, right, It's there's no way to really tell what

that is. And it was what last year. I guess it was middle last year, towards the fall. I guess it was about fifty degrees in that area. And I was doing some post show work up stairs. We sleep in a lock. We have a tiny house. It's four hundred square feets. We have a loft and we have windows on either side and we kind of sleep in the woods, right, And we had the windows open,

and I'm doing taking some notes and getting ready for bed. It's really quiet, and then all of a sudden, like forty fifty yards from the house, we get the same ohio owl. I scream with a bark on the end, this weird like bark, and I'm talking like rattled me, like rattled the windows kind of loud, and I'm like, what the well, what was that? Well? I got the question from the better half what was that? And of course I'm the big foot guy, so I said, what do you think it was? Right? What did it sound

like to you? Well, it was really weird. I did not go out and see what it was. People have asked me that question when I told the story, what did you go outside? No, dude, I did not. We're talking for it's like midnight and it's forty yards from the house. I'm not trapsing in these woods. Sorry, just not do it. I don't want to see it. If that's what it was, move on, I'm good. I don't I don't need to get that guy.

So those things were happening, and then the deeper we'd get into the woods and moving around, we'd start seeing tree structures are what looked like tree structures, X formations, fulcrum tight formations in different places. And again, all of this could be exactly what it looks like. It could be deadfall, it could be completely natural, but it looks weird. It really does look weird. I found trees that are woven behind other trees. That's not deadfall.

It could be something else. I don't know what else that would be, but it's not deadfall. These trees are woven behind another tree. And it really came to a head last year. I filmed a television show for Vice and they were here. They filmed for like seven days on the property, and we went to Georgia for a couple of days, and we actually filmed at the Big Book Museum up in Blue Ridge. If you guys have been there, you haven't. If you're in that area, you should go

check it out. It's an amazing store. So we filmed up there, and then we came back and they had to do some pickups for the episode. And when the guy I came back for a full day of pickups, we go out into an area hiking and the cameraman actually said, Hey, what's what's that spot over there? It looks weird, like all these trees are like laying together. I'm like, well, I've passed that spot before,

so we'll walk over and check it out. And he films me walking in And the closer I got to this spot, the more weird it got. I found one of the trees that were woven together in that spot, and there was just this. It looked like tree structures. I mean when I say tree structures, for anybody who's in the big Foot stuff, it looks like what people consider to be a tree structure, trees on top of each other, TP structures, things woven behind other things and that kind of

thing. And so I'm standing there and I'm looking at this is a like a cameraman for the Vice Network like this, dude, he's not into big Foot, right, He's like, that looks really strange. And I'm like, well, it does look really strange. And I'm trying to talk it out as I'm you know, I'm trying to say what else it could be. And they did a really good job with the show. It ended up being a forty five minute show, and I was concerned about the editing and

what they were going to do with it. But the only thing they edited that I did not say was what you've pointed out earlier. I'm going to go on the record and say this. There's a spot that you see if you watched the show. I'm saying a Bigfoot definitely made this right. And I'm standing in front of the structure that's not what I said. I was saying. The actual phrase was the complete sentence was I can't say for sure a bigfoot made this, but instead it to look like I said that a

bigfoot made That's not why. Yeah, but I said all that to say it was it's really strange that all these different things, tree breaks and different things that we have that I found on the property again that could be completely

natural, just looked really weird. And the most recent thing was this stupid turtle that I found stuck into the out of an old cedar stump a place that I walk my dogs twice a day, sometimes three times a day around this trail, and I don't know, a month and a half or so ago, we're walking the dogs one morning and I look over and I see this white thing sticking on the side of this stump. And there's this turtlesheld stuck upside down in the side of a stump like stuck there. It's on

my Instagram. If you guys want to go to sasquatch odyssee on Instagram and check out the video and the pictures. It's up you can see it. So I walk over and I look at this turtlesheld and I'm thinking, how did that get there? And you know, I'm trying to be objective, you know, I'm trying to look at this from all different angles, and I'm trying to I stood there for like fifteen minutes trying to pick this thing up and place it in a way that it could have happened naturally, right,

And I couldn't do it. So I just stuck it back where it was, and I left it for like three days, and I'm like, should I, you know, should I check this out? I went back, took some photos. I took a video of me walking up to the storm. I decided to take the turtleshell and I took this little rock that has one of our York he passed away a couple of years ago, and it was actually off his grave site where he's buried here. And I took tanks rock and I took it up to the stump and I put it on

the stump, kind of like a gifting situation. Gay, I'm taking if this is what's happening. I'm not necessarily believing this, but if this is what's happened, hey, I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna leave you this. And then I posted the videos and the photographs on Instagram, and people are like, okay, you know, people chiming, Oh, you got a big boot. You gotta do this, you gotta do that, you gotta do this. If it's a gifting situation, you need to put an

apple or something out there. Okay. Well, we had some half rotten apples in the house that I hadn't eaten, so I took one and put it on a stick, and I stuck the stick with the apple sitting on top of the stick inside the stump next to the rock. Okay, I put up a trail cam, I don't know, twenty five feet away, directly in front of the tree. Camera was up for three days. I caught nothing but raccoons for three days, but nobody touched the apple. I

test. I'd go and look at the apple every day. I pulled the SD card out of the camera and come in and download the photos. Nothing but coons playing everywhere, but nobody touched the apple. And people were sending me messages if it's a gifting situation, the big Foot's gonna know the camera's there, so you gotta take the camera down or the Bigfoot's not going to come back. Okay, I'll do that. I took the camera down on the third day. I went back the fourth morning and something had taken a

bite out of the apple. Hand to god, something had taken a bite out of the apple. And I'm like, you have got to be shipping me. Like three days at least I counted at least six coons probably, you know, some combination of the same group for three days, and nobody touched the apple. And then I take the camera down and there's at least one bite or possibly two bites taken out of the side of this apple. So I'm like, what, I take a picture of the apple. I

bring it back. I think it's stick and all. I just pulled it and it's still in the middle in the same position. It's not laying on the side. It stuck on this stick and it stuck into the middle with the apple still on top of the stick. But there's just these bites gone. So I take the apple out. I bring it back up to the porch and I lay it on the porch and I'm like, I don't know what to do with this. I don't know if I should take pictures.

People are gonna think, oh, you're faking stuff. I don't at this one. I don't care, you know, it's at it, right, So I take a picture of it. I take a couple of pictures, and I sent it to Wayne over at Animal Research. And I texted Wayne and I said, tell me what you think that looks like? No context. He had no idea what I had done. He didn't know. He just knew this was like a rotten apple with some mold on it, that

somebody had taken a bite over there. And so he texted me back and he said something took a He said, a person or something like a person took a bite out of the apple. What what is it? And so then I tell him the story. He's like, holy shit. I'm like, I'm not saying that, dude, right, don't. I have no idea, But you know, things like that are really strange, like is it something else? Sure, I don't know if a deer might have been in the apple, I don't know how it would do it with it on

the stick and in the same position. But I don't know, man, just weird stuff, right, Well, I you know, I try to agree with you on NAD a little more so for the fact that like this is on what I'm assuming, right, you're your private, your property is private. You don't have you know, people trespassing. I don't imagine,

not that it's not possible, but why would that happen? So yeah, when you're fine and sayings like that on a private property, they tend to be a little more intriguing, especially the weaving type stuff that you're talking about. I found examples of that myself. What I would consider it to be something that almost looked like a blind that something had constructed. Now could a better person possibly, But you know, I run into some stuff that.

Well again, like you say, I'm like, well, I'm not gonna stand here and say on sasquatch came up built this thing and was hiding behind it. But I have had at least one one instance where I found something like that, and we did find a footprint near it, like right next to it, as almost as if it had been standing there fiding behind this thing. Now, of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it made it,

but it could have been standing behind it. But anyway, I'd like to take just a moment just to say hello and thank you to the chat everybody I know. Usually I go through the role call, but I knew this was going to be a lot of a lot of ground to cover on this show with Brian, So for interest of time's sake, I didn't do the role call. But no that I appreciate. Everybody's here glad to see it come in. I think somebody said the k why the X Files guys were

in the house. Are you guys in the house? Yeah? There are, yeah, and an interest before I get into a get a riot situation going on my hands here For all the Gen fans, it had been noticing saying that she's so pretty, but she doesn't talk much. Jen. Do you who have any quipment any thoughts about what Brian has said so far? Are you got any I've done like paranormal stuff myself. I don't know if you ever, I doubt you have. But have you ever been out to

like Mansfield Prison here in Ohio? I have not. No, Okay, I was there and I took a picture walking up the staircases between the ranges going up to the next range. So I just took a picture. I just turned and I took a picture to basically take the picture of the length of the range, and I got this green orb thing kind of floating between the wall and the range. I've shown it to Joe. Have you ever

seen anything like that? What is your take on the difference between like maybe the spirit orbs or what you might see with people relating to like the limen, see them in the woods, things of that nature. Is there any difference to you same thing. I think there's a difference. And I've done

an entire show on orbs. I had this lady who reached out to me, I think last year, and I think I had her own earlier this year, and she was having all these kinds of different experiences with the orbs, and she had tons of photos, she had tons of videos and things like that, and she would see these things in all kinds of conditions, daylight, nighttime, different cameras, the whole nine yards. So I'm kind

of fascinated with the orbs. But you know, and then you're you're talking about maybe the type of orbs that people see in the woods that are sort of like swamp gas that people talk about and in relation to maybe even big foot encounters and things like that. So I don't know. I think there's

definitely something going on. I've had experiences with orbs I've had for some reason, I'm like an orb magnet when I People have taken photographs of me on numerous occasions, and I've even posted a couple of them, I think maybe online. Yeah, I can't remember i posted mine or not. One's a family photo of us all sitting. It was probably fifteen or twenty of us sitting on this huge sectional and this is probably eight or ten years ago,

and there's orbs all around my face. Nobody else is just mine. And I've had I've been on ghost tours and had pictures of me taken and there's orbs and just weird stuff like that. So I don't know what to make of the orbs. I think most of them, I'd say probably ninety five to ninety eight percent of the stuff that I've seen that people purport to be orbs are probably just natural phenomenon that happens when you take photographs, or it's

dust or it's insects, things like that. But I don't know. It's just it's an interesting subject. I definitely find it interesting, but I don't I don't know what to make of the different types of orbs. Yeah, Well, if anybody in the chat of course, will you say this a lot. Any of you guys got questions for Brian, just please put them in caps so that we can readily see them, and I'll try to get through as many of them as possible while we're going through this. Gary had

a question, Yes, Gary, this is live. Gary was asking earlier as someone asked, Joe is this live? Yes, this is live. We are definitely alive. Somebody posted I want to talk about this for a second if I can. Somebody the bat the bat mom asked, was Sasquatch Odyssey before big Photodyssey? And that's a good question, and I want to talk about that a little bit. This is the this is the thing that carry Arnold and I never talked about it. It's like I always say,

with the nine hundred pound elephant in the room and rest his soul. Carrie and I never got to talk about that. Bigfootodyssey was way before sasquatch Otase. So when I started looking to name the show and brand the show. When I started my show, I didn't know what to call it. Right, there's so many bigfoot shows out there, There's so many sasquatch encounter shows. There's sasquatch Chronicles. I literally had no idea that Carrie's show existed,

honestly because I didn't listen. I listened to two podcasts when I started my own podcast. One was West on Sasquatch Chronicles and the other was Tony Merkel on The Confessionals. That's the only two podcasts I'd ever listened to before I started my home. So I was a newbie in the Bigfoot world, and I did a lot of research. I googled as much as I could to make sure I wasn't stealing somebody's name or you know, mixing something together.

And the only thing I found was a film that was done back in the nineties called Sasquatch Otysey, and they had a website that was defunct. It was no longer being used, and the film was not in production at the time. I mean this is literally back in the early nineties, and it was sort of I won't get into what the film was about. But so I wanted my show to be a journey for people. I wanted it to be something, and I didn't want to call that Sasquatch Journey, so Sasquatch

Odyssey sounded better to me. So I called the show Sasquatch Odyssey, and then I was probably two months into the show and I was posting in some Facebook groups and people were like, hey, is this carry with big Foot Odyssey? And I'm like, oh shit, I should probably look into that, and then I discovered carry Ship. So no, he was he was first. But that's how that happened. A lot of people are like, well, did you just try to steal the name? No, I had

no idea that existed, So there you go. I was just gonna say the good thing about it. Can you hear me? It's okay, I'm on a totally different device. Okay, the good thing but that is you won't get harp on by Thomas Steinberg and say it should be called Saasquatch Odyssey not Bigot. Yeah, Sogan, Yeah, Brian. When you as regarding the apple you put out, you said that was on a stick that was attached to a sticks and slid it on a stick. Is that correct?

Okay? So when you put it on a stick, was it on the side of the apple? Was the apple up right? But I can actually try to pull it up if you want me to pull up the photos. But yeah, I could of cure some soft for cheap. So if you got that you did not see teeth marks. That was the that was an interesting thing. I did say that they weren't there though, I mean I have hundred I mean I'm surrounded by eight ridges, right apple or tube a

stack, and so I could recognize porcupines on on apple tree. But I also know if if it's if I could see the fight at my people that have helped you but fighting, So yeah, I will try. I'm trying to multitask here and see if I can. I'm try to pull up my Instagram page and I will show it to you if I can do that and share my screen. But yeah, I did not see any bite marks, and that was you know, that was one of the things I thought, I don't see teeth in this, but the apple was really really soft.

Okay, I've got the picture pulled up, so I'm gonna try to use technology here and see if it'll allow me. You'll probably have to approve this, but I'm going to share my screen with you. Well, all right, in Tristan has a question when you get Joe, Yeah, you gotta see that. Yeah, all right, So that's the there's a couple of

pictures. See no teeth marks, right, that's probably the best picture that sort of shows you see the stick stuck into the bottom of the apple, and it was literally stuck down with the top of the like the this part of the apple was facing upwards obviously, And yeah, I don't know. Yeah, i'd had to zoom it in, send it, maybe send it to me or something. Yeah, I'll you want me to, I'll text it to you. Leon. Usually I would love to know, I mean

I would, I would definitely love to know if it's a deer. A deer a deer when it baked an apple similar to your own dentires, so you'll see that where the teeth have gone in and grabbed the especially if it's front that's moldy too, So I mean, I can I look at my

cell phones so white screening, just blow it up the field. Yeah, if and it's rotten too, you said, right, Yeah, it was definitely it was soft when I put it out there, so it'd been out at that point by the time you're seeing these photographs, it's probably seven or eight days old outside at this point because I had taken it up on the fORCH and and it took me a couple of days to send the photos or whatnot. But yeah, it was just weird because it's on that stick stuck

down in this stump. So a deer would have to like turn its head and or something picked it up with the stick and bit it and then stuck it back down in there, sick in the exact same spot position and everything. Yeah, yes, because the stump was really soft. It was like an old cedar stump, and it's really really soft in the middle, you know how wood will get it decay and it gets soft, and yeah, it's funky exactly. And so I just stuck it down in there, and

I thought, okay, well here it is. The rock wasn't moved. The rocks still there. I checked it twice today. Nobody's touched the rock, but the apple was a bit and everybody's asked me. I did not send it out for DNA. No, I'm not that guy. I think within the compost. But there you go home. I'll tell you what if you go If you go back to done day, Brian, and that rock is gone, and in place of that rock is a new cell phone.

Get in touch with Steve calls because I'm gonna I'll definitely call Steve as soon as that happens. But you know, when I first started putting that stuff out, people were saying the occam's raised or answer to this is you had a trespasser on your property who wanted to mess with you, right, And

people have asked me how far away is this from the road. We're talking over a half a mile from the road right off the back of the property, and it's probably four hundred yards or so from the porch of my house, so it's a good ways into the woods. And we had we do have occasionally we had I posted it on Instagram last month, we had somebody to come up and steal cut a chain on the property, walk up to within two hundred feet of my house, and steal a camera off of a

area where we've got a generator sitting. So we do have that kind of stuff. One of my neighbors called me today and sent me a text message and said, hey, there's two guys with rifles walking your way about twenty yards into the woods off the road. They're coming your way. Well, I grabbed my rifle and went out to the investigate, like that's what we do here. I never saw the guys. They were two properties over from me, across from him, there's two other owners that it could have been

hunting on their own property. But I've never seen anybody outside of the one guy who came up a month or so ago and stole our camera actually on the property. So I don't think that's a that's a somebody trespassing. Biting a rotted apple is not a viable option for that, You wouldn't think, though. Yeah, and I I'm sure YO didn't buy it. Yeah, well, i'd say what, I'm gonna pull up a couple of coilents here.

You got definitely some fans in the In the chat, Jeff from Fine Island says, interesting fact, Brian has done more episodes of his various Channels shows than all of us from Chat on the Panel, et cetera. All put together, hardest working guy in this community. So they were saying, I'll tell you later. Yeah, give him that you later. Mister Lee had a question, Eric, He says, Brian, what is your opinion

of different colored orbs different entities? That's a that's an interesting question. I have no freaking clue because I I'm fascinated by the orbs, because I I think there may be a there there. I just don't know what that they're there is, you know, lady negative Nancy. But I chronically tell you, guys, look up or lights. They kind of run your colors. The size of the UFOs, the side of basketball designed up and the like little buttons on a cold become in a variety of sizes. There's the reason

for it. They show up quite often, especially random wars would especially be in your water. And it's Elie. There's a lot of reasons former them being what they are. I won't tell you what they are. I'll just wait your reaction. Look up earth lights on and see. Damnit, Leon, can we not have any fun? You can? But I mean exactly a mystery to you. Then you would say to you, hey not, but there's an art. You'd say, well, you got what's older like

it's actually paused by this, And that's how that worked. I didn't come in braid of forms, especially around volcanoes. They look like they actually go into valcanoes and outer valcanes like the up Olds. Oh my god, people recorded you have pos going into valcan What did you call them? It's for earth eartht like phenomenal. Yeah, And the other thing too is that, oh I had a thought there. I don't matter what, it doesn't matter.

I'm not talking much night. It similar somebody which is a happening on ring, but you know, you just want to find out. I do have a question though, for the apple a gag the apple. I have a question about the turtle the shelt too. What time of year was it when you found that when you put that out? Summertime? This was about a month ago. I'd have to look and see when though, Okay, Instagram post was but I think it was. It was about a month ago

or so. Hold on them. I'll tell you exactly when I posted the Instagram stuff. Maybe I clearly don't know how to work my own Instagram. Top of having a challenge, October seventeenth, this one, I posted this on Instagram, so it would have been within a week of that all this this, I discovered the turtle shield and that that all went down within Did you say the turtle shaw? What was on? What was it? You

said it was on something? What was Yeah, I'm trying to I'm gonna try to pull that up and let you look at that too while we're talking. But it was literally on like a cedar stump. Let me share my screen again. Sorry, whoever's having to click the No, that's okay, we're on the fly here present share screen. I hope I wasn't looking at me anything I wasn't supposed to earlier. Can you see my screen? Okay? Yeah, all right, So that's not what I wanted to do.

So that's that's kind of like some of the stuff that I'm seeing as far as the structures. But here's the stump. Here's the stump, the famous stump where the the turtle show was. I'm going to get back to. There's one that I recorded that actually when I walked up to the turtle show. Here's where I walked up to the Turtle Show. So it's it's sitting there like this, and I'm giving the I'm doing my due diligence here and giving you a lay of the land. But yeah, it was sitting in

the side of the stump. So and okay, so and this was an empty turtle show grey oh turtle in the scale anymore. Yeah, there was I don't know if you could see it in the video, but there's a little bit of debris. It looked like it had been there for a while, which confused me because we walked past there at least twice a day and I'd never noticed this. But otherwise it was bleached out and it looked like

it had been outside for quite a bit, quite a while. I don't know, man, I don't know how a turtle shell would end up there unless something with thumbs placed it there. Ye, no money had asked the chat you think maybe you said you saw the you know, raccoons and stuff. They asked if the wonder if maybe the raccoons could have put it up on there. I don't know if there's a possibility of that, but it could be. I mean they picked it close to what you wanted to know

about. Leon you said you had a question about Well, no, I just want I mean, there's so much well we need you talking about Octamus rings are to me hearing that I don't look to Oh, somebody's on your property. I moved something. It's on your property, and it's more some type of wild lafe and it's in wildlife playwood while source of stream season like a turtle shell for instance. And and the other thing too is if something is eating that m whatever it was inside of that turtle shell. It will

keep. It will come back on a regular basis yearly almost to check it out and move it around again. So I'm not disclaiming anything. I'm just looking at like you said, being objective, you know, and more likely when I look at the apple to the apple to me doesn't look like it's done by it. The larger animal looks like but that again I can't see it because it's I'm like old not but the markings on it aren't the same. Like I said, I have hundreds of thousands and fifty trees on it.

So you get to see the wildlife that kind of oats when they're biting it. The mice but they're biting it. The weasels and boxes and the

black bear, you know, all the others start chomping on. And the reason why I asked you about the time of year is sometimes what they'll do is instead of biting it, they'll lick it and pinning on what because it dip is hotter out that they're trying to get the moisture out of it and puts it sweet te right, so they're not going to show any teeth mark, but they'll take the skin off, especially if it's rotted, and so it looks kind of bizarre when you're looking at you know, assessing it correctly.

Yell, gave your brain trace of what's looking at instill just full of French like he did, you know, check it out. Look you think that I don't know, I am with Netherland. Maybe we do have a squatternnut properly addingverything to choose you and choose that, you know, get the generator. You get five hundred bucks to generator. Yeah, you're took camera down like month, stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well, be right back after these messages. So yeah, I don't know, it's

weird man. Yeah. Generally we could rule out that the turtle climbed up on that stuff itself and then just died. And I guess that's a possibility. I've never seen turtles climbed up on himself. But well, the other thing it could be too is that as soon as you said a turtle on a stump, I went to rate two because we have turtles here as well, bought to the same size. How big was that show as a half? I mean it was probably I don't know what five inches by three and

a half or something like that before. So we have crows out here that grab turtles, pick them up and will drop them on the stumps and then they'll be on the stump eating the insides at the turtle. So that's one other idea too, theous the idea, how could it be from airedful over there? Well, yet you got to raise the or crowl around here twice to say the crows here that to now you know, it's not a big deeper than ten of things. So I don't know if that's what it was.

They're just saying, I'm open to any any and all suggestions. I'm definitely not saying it was. I'm just has a collected for you. Bryan says Brian. Where can we watch the Vice video? Yes, very interesting question. So I if you're familiar with the Vice network, they have their own We actually watched it on the Vice network app that you can get on the on your phone or computer or whatever. I'm sure if it aired on Vice, if you have cable, you can go back and watch it there

as well. I know they're eventually going to put it out. They have a pretty large YouTube channel. I think they have about sixteen million subscribers on the YouTube channel. It'll probably be there over the next year or so, but it just ahired at the end of March or April of this year, so I think you have to have a subscription to or you can do like a one time free watch or something. I don't know. I don't know how that works, but you can get it on anywhere you can get the

Vice Network. The show is called In My Own World and my episode on that show was called big Foot Hunters, so you can you can check that out. Logan, I can't pronounce your last name, Logan, I'm sorry, wants to know. Apparently you know him, Brian. He says, when will you head up to radium with me, Kyle Todd and also try again with an organic, non rotten apple. Well, first of all,

what's up, Logan? Logan has been on my show Super Super Guy, really great witness, and he's been on a couple of expeditions with standing and he's talking about me coming on an ex expedition up to Radium with he and Todd and Kyle who does the Discovering Bigfoot podcast. I would definitely like to do that. I tried to work it out this year I've talked about it on the show. It just didn't work out in the schedule, but hopefully

I'll maybe be banking a trip up to do that next year. So we'll see awesome decking out and see if there's any other Earlier, somebody had asked Brian where they could watch his true crime stuff, So the true I do have a YouTube page. I have a Sasquatch Odyssey YouTube page that's I don't know, five hundred and fifty or so subscribers. I have not been posting a ton of stuff over there, but I'm gonna start. I've already started

posting more videos over there. The true Crime stuff is just an audio podcast. So anywhere you get podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google podcast, iHeartRadio, anywhere you can listen to a podcast, look up True Crime Odyssey and it's all there. Any any of the shows that I do sasqua Which

Odyssey, True Crime Odyssey, or Paranormal Odyssey or all there. The Weird Encounters show that I do on the Untold Radio network is YouTube, primarily YouTube, but you can also get that anywhere you listen to audio podcast as well, but it's on the Untold. It's under the Untold Radio AM. So if you're if you're looking for that on podcast, it's Weird Encounters under Untold Radio AM. And there there are two different links in the description of this

show for Brian also one of that length. One of those links is to Sasquage Odyssey Channel and the other link is for his show Weird Encounter that I was on and he's had several people on that'll link do with that which is on the Unfold Radio. And if there's any other links, Brian that you want me to put up there, I feel free to s done them, Billy, and I'll add them in as well. That's pretty got a cross on you and Nikki from Harry Man Hopes and Brian the Voice Dream Well,

I definitely appreciate that. And yes, Files, guys, the bat mom is asking them if they are my three robins. Yes, Tyler, Danny and Josh are all my three robins over there? All right. If you guys, if you haven't listened to k y X Files, you gotta check those guys out. They do a really, really cool show. They're actually I interviewed them again. They've been on the show before and they'll be back in the next couple of weeks. So they've always got some really really cool

stories though, So Ye'll make sure you check those guys out. Well, I have to agree with Nikki. You have a dreamy voice, Brian, Oh, it's it's the five hundred dollars microphone. It's not me. You. You have a face for radio, as they say, I have a face for radio, and the five hundred dollars microphone makes me sound dream more. You definitely do have. Yeah. Well, you know it's easy, It's easy to talk to you. That's why I enjoyed. I really enjoyed

the interviewer that we did on your show. That was awesome. It's great. Yeah, Actually, interviews you did with Joe and Tom, I thought thomas Interview Too was one of Thomas's best interviews real and what's that was a compliment for sure. Owise it was a great show. He was very systematic, he was rid and targeted. He a lot of like everything was just

nice, packaged and delivered. Yeah, thins are just garls that I've been wanted to develop as I go along, as to get better with interviewing too, as as I get people on to interview Ninja, he says, has Brian, ever seen any footprints on my property as well as recorded any vocalization. That's a great question, and no and no. So if you're familiar with this area, it's all pretty hard packed in these woods. Like we have almost zero pine trees, so we don't have a bunch of pine needles,

but there is a shiit ton of leaves and unless it's rained. I mean, there's some really interesting year areas here that we have, like natural springs that are wet year round, and I literally check those at least a couple of times a week if I'm out hiking with the dogs, I'll go over and brush back the leaves and just make sure I don't see any footprints. Just for shits and giggles, but no. And David Ellis has been

after me, Oh my god, from the Olympic Project. David has been kicking my ass for the last thirteen months to try to get me to put it. He's like, just put out one zoom recorder and record on your property, and I'm gonna do it. I promise, I'm gonna do it. I just haven't done it because I don't have time to listen to the audio. Honestly, I don't want to go and pay two hundred bucks for a decent recorder and then put it out and record for three or four days

and then not have time to listen to it. So I almost told David, like, if you want to analyze everything, then I'll send it to you, but I'll I'll do the recording. So he might do that. I don't know he's I think he's David's going to come back on the show here in the next couple of months, hopefully if we can work out our schedules, so I may propose that to him and maybe do some recording, because we do hear some interesting things. Most ninety eight percent of it's coyotes,

and I think maybe a big cat here and there. But you know, we haven't heard the Ohio how stuff. I don't think I've heard that since last year. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I mean you never know, man, I mean, if if you do indeed have any kind of sasquage that you know whether or not, I mean maybe not, you know, just like making that property their home, but at least passing through occasionally going from place or whatever, you never know what you might

record out there. I was a good idea but I don't think that. I think that sometimes certain people, for some people anyway, I should say that I think they're always about yeah, a lot of a lot of audio.

I don't think they realize how much work goes into listening to all that audio too, because I can tell you what I go out, you know, and I could just go out out of three days a camping trip and I put out an audio reporter and I can record twelve hours, you know, of audio, or if I record all three days, you know, I could have up to twenty four hours and you know, audio recording going on. And that's a lot to listen to, man, just to try

to capture something that doesn't sound like it belongs right. So, yeah, it takes a lot to do with audio. But again, having said that, when there is something that you pit in there, it's it almost makes it worth it. When you find some of it, Holy crap, what is it that you know? And then then the work is just beginning, because now you gotta go, well, I don't know who that is, so now I got to look up and try to find out what it could

be, you know. And so far on batting about a thousand I'm figuring out certain things. I've only got one thing that's our shelf that I don't know what it is, and I don't think it's faithbook, and considering my skepticism about paranormal stuff, I don't know, but I might have to. I might have to put it into that realm, even though I'm not even sure if that's real or not. Like it's there, so well, you

should send it over to David Ellis. David could probably take a listen and he might be I mean, he's listened to so many different sounds, he might come up with something for you. Jim, you said you you had done paranormal stuff in the past. Where are you on EVPs because that's really the only tangible thing I've ever experienced, like paranormally was. Yeah, I'm fully onboard with. And that's what he's got. I always screwed that up. That's what he's got. He doesn't want to hear about it. That's

what he got. He's believer. Yeah, I'm I've done done them when we went to the prison, done spearbox thing. You know who when there's no one else that can be speaking and there's a voice there speaking of sentence, you know you know, it was solidified for me when my sister was having this issue where my niece and my nephew, who were much younger at the time, we're talking about this old man that they were interacting with in their house and she was seeing shadows. My mom had seen shadows that she

was leaving before. So we went down there and did a paranormal investigation.

And by that I mean I took my two dogs and my iPhone, and you know dogs are sensitive to that kind of stuff, right, So I let the dogs running around and you know, for a couple of hours, and I'm kind of I don't consider myself a psychic or anything of that, but I've been able to feel things in the past, or at least I think you walk into places and the hair stands up on the back of your neck and you get those feelings and other people really aren't picking up whatever being

put down, but I'm the person who feels that. So I didn't feel anything in this place. I didn't feel uneasy, nothing. We've been there for two or three hours. Nothing's happening. So I'm gonna do what I do is I'm gonna provoke, right, which is probably the one thing you should never do in a paranormal situation, especially it's malevolent, right. But I'm walking down the hallway and I'm like, you know, you're scaring my nephew. He's a kid. You're supposed to be a grown man. I'm

a grown man. I'm not scared of you. You can't scare me. There's nothing you could do to scare me. I'm not scared of you at all. And I'm recording with my iPhone. So I finished provoking, and we walked back and we all can huddle up, and I play back the recording and I'm like, I'm not scared of you. There's nothing you could do to scare me. I'm not scared of you at all. And clear as day, crisp and clear, I hear you should be. I was out, I was done. I'm like, I'm out. We're out of

here, clear as day, right. And I've never experienced anything like that. I've heard other people, you know, EVPs and you know, spirit boxes and those kind of things on the ghost shows or whatnot, but this was undeniable. Like even skeptics. My mom's a skeptical, Danny's a skeptic. Everybody listening was like, oh, my god, that is creepy.

I was like, Okay, we're out of here. I'm done. Yeah, well, if you've cleaned it up just a little bit, it cleared a clean I mean you can hear it over the sound of the background noise. Does hey mister, what's up? And I listened to this saying a billion times and I can't quite pick out the hey mister part, but I think I know what she's talking about. But I definitely hear something that that

sounds to me like it's saying what's up? Or what's that? And and and the more I've listened to it, it does seem like it's closer to saying what's up. And I'm like, I don't know what that is because it's not a human voice. I can tell you that right now. I don't know where it came from, but it was there and it kind of creeped me out. And I put it in the background because I'm like,

that is not sasplots, So there's no way you can trollab me. That's a SASPLI I don't believe it. But I was telling you, Joe, it's not a big foot, and that's funny. It's funny because you know, this is out where I like camp and it's out where I've had my encounter with Rostuff, and you know, encountering Roster out there has not been enough to actually scare me out of that camping spot. I still go camping there, and I go when I go camping there, I still have hopes

that maybe I'll see them again. But that is the one thing that could scare me and go, I'm not going back there. Man. You know, if this what if it was able to be proven that this is just yeah, because it's creepy. It's just creepy. And that's why it's on a back burder right now. It's like if I absis about it too much, it's you know, you don't even you want to go to sleep tonight.

Donald has a question. I'm looking. I'm glad you saw that because I wanted to bring that up. So do you think there is something to throw the fourteen year olds having these experiences seem to be more than any other age bracket? I do because and I say that only because it's come up so many times on the show, because I had a lot of experiences between that age, and there seems to be something at least paranormally, if you

believe any of this at all. Paranormally, there's something about like prepubescent and pubescent boys and girls that seem to attract the paranormal. I don't know if it's just because we're going crazy because of the hormones and we just all make a bunch of shit up or what, but there seems to be something to that. Leon is probably dying right now. It's like that is absolutely not

true. Yeah, but no, no, no, I'm saying I'm not saying it's not true the definitions you guys are putting on stuff, because you know you guys are Oh, well, I'm doing Paranormal Investigator. Yeah, well, I investigate para normal too, but I also investigate all their gadgets and how they work and all that kind of stuff. So, as a polite person, as a guest on the show, I'm just listening to people's

ideas. That's not saying that you're not experiencing something. I would just be caution on the narration that you're placing on it, because I think there's information out there you could probably dabble into. Don't be trapped in your own cognitive dissidents in regards to wanting to believe in something and the very true and look at all sides of everything even when it irks you. That's how you become rounded in regards to information and data, and you've become objective and so you're

not spook whether there's a ghost there or not. At Jen and I talked about this. I mean, I've had experience when I was again during that cycle point when you're talking about the h thing where you know what, a guy followed me all the way We moved to a house on Military basically moved to a house and I was woke up to mill and I was crying.

My mom came upstairs to see what was moving on, and I followed it all the way down to the bedroom and was working that night and I wanted to sleep a thing because it was too scared, and it followed us all later on this apparition like you would see on PB. Followed it all the way down and came to the end of the bed in my mom's bed, and I remember sitting at the end of the lab with Thosera sheets are player.

He walks in and he's sitting there looking and I'm just closing, no expression on his face, all that kind of translucent gray look that they would have as somebody entered up. There was a guy who killed himself in the house, So was that the guy? I don't know. My brain would have Punoble's thoughts together, But it doesn't mean that that's a factual of what's

happening. But the problem with the age group you're talking about is it it's called the magical stage, and the magic stage of development is your braves still separating in order to have a rational brain, logical brain to the magical brain. And that's a very confusing time for a lot of kids, and especially

if you out of abused children. At that age, they've spiritualized the event, meaning that somehow they turn around and blame themselves they be happening, that's happened, and there, I mean, there's a whole much of that Aderson receives about it because I understand I have I know, I like mysteries, I like I like ye know, now what kind of stuff. But I also know that a fan is in your home and it's one hundred forty eight

creakings. Oh why is it? Decimals? They didn't get decided camera of the exact thing, but everyone in that room will freak out and we'll think that there's something, you know, weird and it's crazy, real and cold nerds and all feel the same thing. And I said, yeah, but the thing I'm noticing is you got a fan, and that fan is going to cause you some psychological neurological problems because of the frequency it's on. And

so you know, there's a great TV show camera what they's called. But it's got three different type of people you want on a team like this. Once a priest and other guy's a skeptic and another winds as a lawyer. I think there's a life at them. So they're always good because they're always bantering about every time they come into experience. But it's a good show to watch because it shows you some of the dynamics that you can walk into and

not realize they walking into serf. Like the other day, this door right behind me here. I was here with the therapist friend of mine and we're exiting over there, sitting over here, and as we were talking, that door going down to my basement opened up by itself, like it literally and I lived here for twelve ers. That door has never opened up by itself and then closed itself. And what the house i'man the apro gyman used to be an old Turkey slaughterhouse. Zomi in the middle of the night, I

can just jo that's just an add on U were sake. But you know, like yeah, I could sit there and then every time I see something unique, because I'm peaque already in my brain. Why why is that? Because they here, you know, eat your door, sports and stuff. I have friends who were on TV shows that beats the paran almal stuff, and at least to their credit, they tried to bump it all, you know, like this one there was funny this one house that was on the

show. They had a experience where the the people in the house kept saying while you could hear baby crying through the vans and stuff like that. So he recorded it and I listened to it and like that always said, you know what that is? He goes, yeah, you know what it is. What do you think it is? It's an owl? And he goes, yeah, it's a totally out the reason why they wanted the people wanted to be on the show. Now, like it goes back to hopxes.

You know if you're wanting to find out any kind of actual stuff. It's always hopes, its an every right, so it does something matter. They wanted that they did them to do a show about their house was because they thought they'd get more money if Bill bismanted that, and that's what the end they finding out. So, you know, I like any of this kind of mystery stuff, but I want to stay whether I've been in with a sasquatch, a grizzly or ghosts, I want to figure out what I'm looking

at and how do you how does one do that? And so I like using the scientific method. I like to find out all the things that can be. And I'm still in any of those fields that I just mentioned, You're still gonna be stuck with a third of it unexplained, and that's where you're going to have your problems of figuring out or well, I mean, you know playing you know, some of the spear box apps you can put on your phone, they're connected to somewhere right so there as blue there people

can be listening and make it sound like whatever you're you're speaking about. But if you're taking an actual fierbox, yeah and running something that's playing backwards through it and you're still getting forward clear speech. Oh you can get the same way. We look where you just said if you run something backwards, so

you can get something clear speech. Yeah, well you can run something backwards and get clear speech running backwards too, like for instance, brock Lucy back in the eighties where you have like the with a lot of the the shock old, the hatchecks and the spear boxes that you can buy. Now it'll cycle through what is it like a second every second it changes the station.

Let's yes, can run the audio backwards at the same time. If you had both of those things going on, and you're getting something that's cycling every second, so it's not staying on any one thing long enough to get a word out, but you're still getting speech. Where does that Olivia, Well, I've amazing at one point is first of all, I'd grab the box. I would check out the box, brand name, I would check out what the frequency was for the brown, how that worked, that whole thing

worked. I wouldn't just oh, here's the spirit box, dude, I'm sought up by you just hearing the title spirit box. So as a good investigator, I have to look at all those things I just did documentary last year on Stakhalo's Mound, and one of the ones we talked about what in

that documentary was about the paranormal investigators. You know that they're all dressed like they looked like they were military gear and stuff, but don't tend them down to shot at it to look for a spit and because they're all scared, you know. And but you're saying it's the same. See this is that

thing? Is that that when you're dealing with any kind of truth, thing that we would hold here, including myself, is there's there's this offering miss that comes over us because we feel challenge, but we build unknown not listening or I don't agree. I'm not coming not angle at all. I'm just saying from my perspective, if any it comes across any kind of thought.

There's a good documentary online right now. You guys should watch it. It's three hours long, but it's cut down to three hour right into pieces. I sent it to Joe Blach and it's called The Ancient Astronauts de Bumped and it's about that whole TV series and it's a great one to watch because if you watch it, you'll see how narration is terribly how the human condition is terribly vulnerable to narration, especially if you're seeing it in the authority way such

as TV. Those shows are TV. That part of that idea of how you know when you get shows like that that are online and they're ancient, you know, some agent Astercress series believed well, whole range an astronauts theories for all, who are they? Well, what kind of schooling debate that

may's schooling or is it a bunch of thoughts? A nice idea, But what it does is it will show you that how your brain because when I watch social shows too, I like watching rows like that because it shows techniques that people use to try to pull you and and and some aren't trying to pull you at all. And a lot of people that I eat what that are talking to me about. There's a country, sasquatch. I don't think they're being deceptive. I don't think they're being closer sir. They've got a

puzzle to try to make growth. It's not going to help me the same way if I'm dealing in my professional with mental health people that they have a puzzle in the house that has to be solved. But everyone's too great. Say dad's an alcoholic. Dad's an alcoholic. That's from all the dollars when I do that, you know, because that means we have to or have a kid. That's if you're a person, a younger kid, and you're a younger person, you're storking addiction. They said, you do recovery.

Well, the problem is good Cover Center is going to say the whole systems sick. Well, I don't know, we're not sick. He said, fix him. We'll fix it. It'll fix us, relating to him, because there's a dancing there. So but it is you're right, then it is, you know, Brian. I mean, I want to have these discussions. I can't have one certain channels. I love it. I want to forever forevermore. I want Leon to now be Leon the equalizer. He is the equalizer in every conversation. And I do love that. I love

the challenge of because I do fall victim to that. Sometimes I try to be very objective and very skeptical about everything, but you get bogged down in the minutia sometimes of your own stuff, and it's like you do fall prey to that paradolia. All these things can creep into your life when you don't want it to, and the only voice kind of saying it out there. The problem is you you're beaut as a negative Nancy, whereas I am just

as receptive. That's why I'm sharing these ideas so that you're not as set, meaning that you're not going to fall into your own thing. I'm not gonna follow my own thing. The reason why we have a network channels where we talk about this stop because that I can say, Joe, what do you think? Steve? Here's what do you think? Brent, what do you think? Fallows Sean. It's from iving the Shadow Sasquad arts Sasquad shadows that right, I can't remember Ga Meruin's name. That's out there. But

the idea about using community is about that. You know, the problem is I don't. I mean, it's nice to find people trying to think out of the box, and that's all we're asking the box. You know, life's pretty marvel It's just the way it is. We don't have to spiritualize it. Everything we thought was spiritual first we find it later on after we find out what it is, we realize it's not spiritual, so it was

supernatural. Just makes sense not. We just don't know what why I was doing it or so anyway, sorry stories maybe or maybe that person was Ray. Don't don't add the mic the leono. No, I'm not gonna have a pizza find that. Bob says, she loves that when you do that. You said a girl voice on steroids or something. Well, there was a chat. I've tried to keep up with your questions and I've been watching occasionally trying to pay attention. Child. You did have a follow He had

a follow up question, quickball question. He said, have you ever heard I'm the property anything that you've all or term as wood Knox or any kind of like chatter, that kind of thing. No, people have asked me that in the past about wood Knox in particular, and no, I've never heard anything I would consider I've done Knox, probably after a couple of glasses of wine. I may or may not have won out and knocked up a couple of threes. But that's one of those things that I don't necessarily subscribe

to either, is the wooden knock thing. You know, I've had tons of people on the show that claim they've heard wood Knox, and I think Pat from squatsch Talk recently even posted something about he had a wooden knock encounter. He sent me a message about his woodknock and counter which I want to get into with him. I certainly want to have him on the show and

talk about it. But I don't necessarily subscribe to bigfoot doing wood knocks because I don't think it's just like that, very much like the tree structures we were talking about earlier. I don't think anybody's ever had a situation where they actually witnessed a big foot or sasquatch either making a tree structure and or doing

a woodknock. And then I've had people like Drown Moorehead and other people on the show that have sort of these theories about maybe they're doing it with their tongue or their mouth, or its teeth clacking or maybe even rock clacking things like that. I don't know. I'm just not totally there with the woodknock thing. But no, outside of we have these really big I can't remember that the name is escaping me. We have these really huge woodpeckers that they're

pilated. I can't aliate it yet. Affiliated woodpeckers. They're beautiful, and we have them on the property and we hear them all the time. But it's clearly a woodpecker making these noises. And I've heard people subs or describe what they thought was wood knocks as these really rapid, faster than any human could ever do wooden knocks. I'm like, well, that's a woodpecker. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see moving right back after these messages.

Yeah, yeah, and there's yeah, the affiliated woodpecker, and you are. It's a long way off right when they do, they're not right around the corner, and you can hear it pretty clearly. But these things are like I don't know, birds there maybe two or three four pounds. I mean that's huge. Yeah, actually interesting interesting Venett trivia woody woodpecker was actually affiliated woodpecker though they're just a little bit of a boat to keep in your

hat. Yeah, they're beautiful birds if you get to see them a person there, Yeah, there they are, and and man, can they make some noise. That's true with the wooden knock thing. And I agree with you other woodenknock thing. I've heard certain ones that sounded very interesting to me, like what in the hell was that you know, a lot of people bring up this thing about the Louisville slugger sound. Now I've had that happen. I've heard that a few times with myself going what in the hell unless

it is somebody with a baseball bat out here smacking a tree. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Do I think it's a possibility that maybe they could if sasquatch were to do it, why would they be doing it. Maybe it's some form of non verbal communication between them. Maybe possibly, But again, there's no real proof that. The best thing you can do is okay five record them, and you know, guess what, go towards wherever you're hearing see if you can see what's doing it. That's all

I can say. Now that's easier said than done at night. During the daytime I hear would not sure. I'm probably gonna go towards wherever it is at night. I'm not so sure if I want to go trape up into the dark, fooky woods at night looking for a wood knock, because what if it is? What if it's a dog man? Oh No, I don't know about dog man knocking. I've never earned that though. And Jeff,

you said you had a question. If you're still the chat you, Jeff said he had asked a question about something to do with your experience in a law enforcement If you'd like to ask that question again, I would certainly keep my eye open for it if you want to ask that question. So what I would like to know is now in your time, and you don't have to name any names or anything. I just asked it again. It's

in off chaps. Am I missing it somewhere? You're old? I am, obviously because I'm trying this fine, I'm looking for it and don't see it. Yeah, I scrolled back a bit too to it either. Are you just nussing? Would Jeff tild you just follow questions like he usually? Is that good thing? Bless me? That's an interesting thing. Do you think there's such a thing as a bigfoot ghost? Well? I don't know. Some interesting questions. Well, now, while we're waiting to see if

Jeff ever actually puts up this question, I can't buy it. Jeff. Sorry, I don't know whether you're copy and paste Jeff copy and paste? Are you? Oh you gotta boy? You gotta boy? Oh man? Yeah? Yeah, So you don't have to name names or anything like that. You know, oh you can if you want to. But I'm interesting to know out of the people that you've interviewed, especially like I'm a weird encounters thing, it was like, some of the most credible or what are

some of the most credible things that you've heard in your opinion? Ump custom Wall comes to a big book thing. Most credible It's hard to say. I mean, I think I said it. I kind of alluded to it earlier. I think everybody who comes on the show in their own way are credible because they truly believe that they've had their experiences. I think there was a lady from Tennessee that I had on recently that a lot of people reacted to, and it kind of surprised me. I think her name is Carrie.

I met her a couple of years ago at the Smoking Mountain Big THO conference and she went on stage and shared her store and I immediately when she came off stage, I went up and I wasn't there as a vendor. I was just there to check out the conference. That was the first time I'd ever been, and I handed my card and I said, hey, I'd do a Sasquatch encounter show. I'd love to have you on to share

your encounter, and she wasn't ready. You know, she did it there, but it was sort of a you know, you're up in this big room and it's a big stage. But she felt safe doing it there for whatever reason. But it was different sitting down behind a microphone and doing it on the show. So it took her about a year and a half for her to reach back out to me and say, I think I'm ready to

sell my story. And she had some really compelling encounters and experiences, face to face encounters, some vocalization things that went on, some you know, some things that were pretty subjective that could be other things or whatnot. But she was a very compelling witness. And I've had tons I mean we're two

hundred and thirty plus episodes in on the show. You know, I go back to probably less Stroud survivor Man is one of the most compelling guests that I've had on the show because he's known for other things other than Bigfoot, and he's had a couple of experiences. He's been out with odd standing, which is kind of a thing in the end and of itself, and he's I really believe what Less has to say. You know, I don't think

he's BSS and me on his stories. I've had some pretty out there encounter stories, but there's it's it's hard to pin down what's the most credible, you know, it's more about what's more sensational. Is what really tends to stick out most of the time. Because Buddy, I felt like I've had on the show, if at least compelled me enough to have them on the show, So in and of itself, it's a compelling story for me, if if that may be any sense whatsoever. Yeah, absolutely, you asked

what was he going to ask me? Okay, here we go, and Jeffie's using some code words, which I've figured out at least most of it. As as a law enforcement officer. Took me a minute to figure out what he meant by leo law enforcement officer as Brian ever had an RP, and I'm still trying to figure out what that means, claim to have an

encounter with Bigfoot or the paranormal. He's probably saying, if I ever had anybody like called the police and say they've had an encounter with something CRYPTI related, and the answer that that would if that's the case, Jeff would be No, I worked in the city of Atlanta. People have asked me that question before, if I had encounters with the paranormal while on duty or had other people call about paranormal encounters while on duty. No, I was in

a big metropolitan area, downtown Atlanta. I worked in Buckhead if you're familiar with that area. And then I was downtown at the CNN Center where I closed out my career in midtown Atlanta. So not a whole lot of Bigfoot activity downtown Atlanta. There's a lot of other activities downtown Atlanta, but not

big Foot or Crypti related. So No, I've never had anybody call and say, you know, we've had weird alarm calls and things like that that couldn't really be explained, you know, and my paranormal investigator brain always went to, why does this alarm keep going off and there's nobody in there? Could it be a ghost? Now, I've never had anybody actually called and say they've reported that. Yeah, I was a good question, because I was. I had had that question, of course, you know, being

the age that I'm getting to now, and i'd forgotten. But yeah, I had been interested as to whether, as during your time as a while offorseman officer, if you didn't got any calls about man, I just saw this big hairy thing run through mile Yard and you you know, kind of like that that nine one one call you here played. You know that guy going I don't know what this is. You better get somebody over here, you know, and they keep saying asking him, is that a guy?

He's like, oh God, I guess it's a guy. He's hute, he's you know, I was just wondered. So that's that's that's funny. I love that part of the call of he he's looking for right at me and the lady goes one, oh yeah, I play that that that has been I've tried to change the intro of the show in the past, and

my listeners just will not have it. They love that part of the nine on one call because I played the majority of the call throughout the intro of the show, and I know, like West at Sasquatch Chronicles, he uses like five or six seconds at the end where the guy's talking about it. But I tried to do a lead up to what because this was a this was like an odyssey It was a journey for this guy because he had called MU times this thing killed his dog, or he believed it killed his dog

and threw his dog over the fence. He was a Nam, he was a Vietnam veteran, and he since passed. I believe rest his soul. But that was the thing about this, this whole thing, was he's calling and documenting this and he's like, yeah, this thing is like seven feet tall, and there's something going on here. There's a there's a there there,

And I believe why I don't believe. I know that Ron Moore had actually interviewed the guy before he passed away, and Ron felt him to be very credible as a witness, Like he did not want to come forward, he didn't want his name out there, but he was very clear and what he saw, and what he saw was a big, hairy thing that was in his yard. So yeah, that's a nine one one caller. It gets me every time every time I listened to Trow the show, it's like,

yeah, She's like, oh yeah. I'd always wondered whether that was an actual nine one one fall, you know, or if it had been something that you know, was just made for you know, TV basically, but yeah, because I mean it definitely sounds like the guy is like, you know, I mean it, you know, because I was like, well, if it's not real, he's sure as an actor, you know, because he sounded scared and concerned, like this thing has turned down his

lights and he's like he's you know, he was a hundred percent legit because you can hear it in the part of a part that it's on mine, like when he sees this thing stand up in his yard, he's like, yeah, ah, like he's having this reaction like get the hell out of here. Yeah, you need to get somebody out here. Now. She's like, where it is? I guess yeah, I got a couple of questions here. I want to get to this one first before it gets the other one. But do I x fous says Brian had he looked into Scott

Carpenter's stuff. His portal stuff is pretty wild. I made my wife, professional photographer, dissect his videos with me. I have not looked into that. I have peripheral I guess peripheral fully or peripherally heard of Scott Confenter, but I've never looked into his stuff. But I definitely will. I will make a note of that to check it out for sure. Yeah, you know my opinion. I'm not going to go there because that question was for you. So yeah, I mean, you know you gotta look at stuff

though, I do it, Bree. That's why I'm constantly looking at everything that I can, just in case somebody chums up with some comes up for something that I can go, oh brat. Maybe I've been looking at this wrong. Well, I see Donald's already talking about some photoshop, so there's there's gotta be something. There's gotta be a there there, so I'll definitely look into mister Scott. Yeah. Now the other one was I mean, just does this well? I mean, people are so curious all the time

about it. Did you also had a questions? Both questions? Good guy, and he wants to know what your thoughts are. I'm the big film. Oh boy, that's a rabbit hole in and of itself. I'll be I'll be brief it. I say, five days out of seven I believe it's a real sasquatch. But I'm still there's still those couple of days a week I look at it and could that be Bob Hoeronymous in the suit? I'm thinking so. But I tell you I had Thomas and Joe and Leon.

You guys both know Thomas he was talking about the inner MEMBERL. Correct me, I'm I'm probably not saying that right, INTERMEMBERL or whatever. Index Basically, it's it's got to do with the length of the legs versus the arms, right, And he was he was talking about that. I know Thinker Thunker has done a breakdown of the PG film in the past, and he's pretty convinced that that's a real creature as far as a sasquatch it's concerned

in in the video. Again, I just I have my doubts, you know, I just I'm not And then there was this whole scuttle butt recently. Yeah, I had Steve calls on the show a couple of times, and Steve, one of the reasons he can back to the show was to talk about this whole kerfuffle, I guess, for lack of a better word, around the Pucci film and the possibility of this some sort of admission by Bob Gimlin that it was faked or whatever the case may be. It was

something to do with richter Riolo or whatever. I don't know this this this whole thing, and at the end of the day, I came down on the side of you know, I don't I don't necessarily think Bob has admitted that it's fake, but I'm still not one hundred percent convent that it's real. And everybody runs a gablet on that. You know, there have been times in my life where I was one hundred percent shore, and then there's times where I went I kind of waffled, what no, I no,

no, what about this? And then I went right back to oh, no, no, no, it's a sas Glige And I'm pretty much there still. I mean, I believe it's real, but it's this point I think I mentioned myself on some podcast, maybe mine, maybe somebody else's that you know, at this point, you know, fifty five years or so gone by that it's either real, and I and those of us has thought

it's real. We've been right all this time, and if it's not, it doesn't really matter to me because even if it wasn't real, which I just see. I don't know Bob given personally like Tom Thomas does, and but I just don't feel like the man is lying about anything, you know, I just don't get that feeling from him and having my own encounter which lends into it. Because even if that turns out that it wasn't and somehow Bob himself was hoped, that doesn't that's not going to mean the big Boot

isn't real to me because I've seen one. So you know that's where I've stand on that. Well, that's the thing I've always said, if for for some reason something happened, say Bob came out and wrote a letter and gave it to Russell Accord, and Bob passes away next year and the Red we read the letter out loud on Facebook, it was all a hoax.

It doesn't mean that because Patty isn't real. Bigfoot isn't real. Right, If they're two different things and people seem to get that mixed up, it's like if people have been so protective for so many years of the Patterson Gimblin film, it can be fake and Bigfoot can still be real. So there are two separate things. Well, I think the thing that sticks in my crawl is I've seen so many breakdowns and I've done it. I know Leon has been into this too. I was trained as an interrogator. As a

police officer. And there's a lot of things that you can look at as far body language and eye movement and all kinds of things when people are telling stories to see if they're being real or honest or not. And I've seen breakdowns where people have broken down. How Bob has changed his stories. Things have fluctuated over the years. But the man's in his nineties at this point. So if he tells the same story, I tell a story about the

story I told you earlier about twelve years old. Did I get some of the facts wrong? Absolutely, I'm sure. I can't tell you what time of day it was. I can't tell you what the date was. So there's a lot of things that get lost in translation over time. Have I got the feeling that Bob's lying? No, I've never even met Bob. But you know, all we really have to go on, honestly, is that fifty nine seconds or sixty seconds of film, and it has been broken

down next to the Subruder film. It's it's probably the most viewed thing and most talked about thing ever as far as film is concerned. And there's nobody that's ever been able to come out and definitively say this is fake and this is why. And again nobody's come forward with the suit. Didn't produce the suit. The guy who says here in North Carolina, not too far from me, who said he sold the suit to Patterson back in the day,

couldn't produce another one that looks just like it. There's so many ways that it could have been debunked so many times over over the last five decades or so, and it never has been. So that keeps me hanging on, you know. Yeah, and I wanted to be real. I've always said I wanted to be real. I really wanted to be real. But I still reserve this. A couple of days a week, I scratched my head and go, I'm just not sure, you know. Yeah, okay, well we got oh, we had about six minutes left. I do want

to ask you a couple of things here. I got one off, I got' written down here. What's oh, that's it? So like, what's your vision? What is your personal vision or hopes for you know, doing the podcasting in the future. Words, where do you want to take this? I mean, obviously you've said already you know it as you worked hard to make this a full time thing for you. So where are you looking at going you know, forward with this. I'm trying my best to refocus.

I got a little sidetrack there for a while and started doing all of these other shows. But my heart has always been with Sasquatch Odyssey, So I'm trying my very best to get back to that, and I want to put out more shows each week. I want to try some new stuff, maybe do some live shows and things like that that I've never done before.

I'm trying to build sort of a network. We have the Paranormal World Productions studio that has now the four shows that we do, so I'm trying to build sort of a collective with other podcasters that are interested in some of the same things that we're doing. You know, I found Wayne to take over the Paranormal show from and it's grown. I mean, he's putting out more

shows, he's growing the audience. So it's not just about me, it's about sort of I kind of built the audience for that show, and then I was able to turn it over to Wayne and let him do his own thing and sort of grow it in a different direction. So that's kind I've always been my goal for the podcasting thing, I will never stop doing Sasquatch Odyssey. It's going to go on in perpetuity until I can't talk anymore. So it's always going to be my thing. Same thing for the true crime

show. I think the True Crime Show will continue down that vein. I'm looking at some different things of sort of spicing that up a little bit. I thought about doing a co host. My listeners are not so sure about that because I've mentioned it on the show and they're like, no, I don't think you need a co host. So we're trying to figure that out. But I really want to continue to you know, a lot of shows that are out there don't do a lot with the researchers, right, they

want just the encounter stories. I've never shied away from having researchers or the people, the powers that be, you know, the better known names like the mail drums and stuff like that on my show. I've always thought that's important, so I try to keep a mixture of that. So ultimately it's all about the encounter stories. But I think there's and I think we Leon and Joe both we've talked about that on and off the area about how important

it is. There's a lot of people boots on the ground that are doing a lot of great things in the research, and those people need to be highlighted, and I think they be brought to the forefront and say there's real people out there doing real work in this community. I don't do that. I do my research behind the microphone. I put out shows about people's encounters.

I'm not in the woods looking for bigfoot every day. There are tons of people out there who are, and I think it's very important to push this forward, to highlight those people and say they're doing the right things for

the right reasons. And I'm trying to find those people. So if anybody out there who is doing that kind of work and they want to come on the show and they want to be heard, and about eighty five to one hundred countries on any given day, we've got a pretty decent audience on the show, reach out to me and we'll bring you on and talk about it. I think that's important to do because I ultimately it's not just about the show and making money for me. It's about pushing this forward because I want

to answer those questions for myself, still searching for those answers. Every single show is just me searching a little bit further and digging a little bit deeper into the enigma and the phenomenon of Bigfoot. For myself, it was a really long winded and answer to a shore no, And I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you. That's what basically, you know, the

focus is for my other show. As you know, I talk about Bigfoot and talk about this, and I try to get people on, you know, and especially I would like to be able to get even more researchers on. But I'm finding that, you know, I'm more people are coming around now, you know, researchers that I'm reaching out to that I go, you know, hey, look, you guys are actually out there. You're

not one of these Let's just build a narrative around stuff. You guys are really and I'd love to be able to just you know, I'm a small channel, sure, but I still would love to give you the exposure, you know, to the people that do watch, you know, and follow my channel. So yeah, absolutely I agree with you on that. And the last thing I want to ask you is advice. What advice do you have for people who might be thinking about they want to create a channel and

start their own podcasts. Oh god, don't do it, just don't shi No. I think. I think one of the things that I've I've really learned there's a huge difference and you guys can attest to this because the majority of what you guys do is on YouTube and it's the complete opposite for me. I am a primarily audio based podcast. So I would say diversify, right, if you're primarily on YouTube, look at going into and doing some

audio based stuff for your audience. Because not everybody can watch YouTube. Not everybody can just listen to podcasts and audio form. They prefer to digest it the way that we're doing here via video. It's happened. I've helped a couple of different people with their podcast. You know, Dick Secrypted comes to mind. If you guys listen to Cam or Cameron Buckling over at Dixie Crypton.

When I first met Cam, Cam wasn't on audio or based podcast he was strictly on YouTube, and we were talking one day and I was like, dude, you gotta get your show on audio. So he branched out and created his what If It's True? Podcast on audio based form and his audience took off and grew. So if you're gonna do it, think about your audience. It's not just about you and how you consume stuff. It's about how your audience consumes the content. So be true to your audience,

be true to what you're doing and whatever you're doing. If you're true to yourself and you're being true to the subject, and you're true to your audience, come out of what platform you're on. I think it'll it'll take off and people will resonate without at least that's been the case for me so far. Thank god. Awesome. Well, look, I want to thank you

Ryan for coming out. Glad we finally got it worked out, man, because I've been looking forward to it a lot, and I just knew that it was going to be a really interesting show, and I think it was. And so I appreciate you taking out the time and spending two hours talking to us. I know that a lot of signs with your shows you'd like to keep them do about an hour hour and a half probably, which is usually probably a good idea for most people. But yeah, we run,

we run this shot, chance of running over that all the time. So and that's the way it goes. You know, you get into a really interesting conversation and then all of a sudden, oh my, look it we're all the time like so I appreciate it. Jen. As always, you got your fans. Pretty thing that doesn't talk much, so I don't get a ten some shows I just don't have time to get a word in Edge one. I tried to drag you in, Jin, I did my part. I did my part. I've been I've been adequately chastened. Let Jen

speak more, and so we'll do that. Yeah, thank you sir. Once again, we're coming in and joining us, and I'm glad you were here and chat. Thank you guys. You guys ask some good questions. I'm sorry if I did not get to all of them, and some of them I may have missed. But yeah, I guess we got a round to him. I hope you guys enjoy this. And again another reminder, links are in the chat to link you to Brian Sailing guys. That does it for another don't ask wait a minute what and so with that, I

will close with the same thing I always do. Don't sweat the petty stuff. Don't pet the sweaty stuff, and Hopefully we'll see you from the ford. They say you don't gotta go home, but cast I don't want chi di chib chime everything. Calling back Bright baby Joy for me to stay right. I'm calling right away. Says don't because don't don't come. Backs us to us to us, US used to use Jesus