Hey, everybody, it's Brian. This is obviously not the regular intro to the show because this is sort of a special occasion. I'm here to introduce the latest show that we've added into the Paranormal World Productions family. You guys have heard Chat and Bob on the show before talking about crop circles and talking about giants, and it is Chat and Bob from the Basement Hangout. This week, they actually joined the Paranormal World Productions family and became a part of
the network. So we recorded a show together just a couple of days ago to make this announcement, and it's a really interesting show. It's about the UAP whistleblower from the US government who just came out recently with some really shocking claims about what the government knows about having crashed alien craft and even alien bodies from the pilots. So this is a really interesting show and it really sort of highlights what you're going to hear from Chat and Bob if you tune into
The Hangout. I've got a link to their show in the show notes. You can listen to The Basement Hangout anywhere you get your podcast. We do refer to some video there is some video of us breaking down this guy's body language and some other stuff. So I would highly suggest you go over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the Sasquatch Outassee blog and you can see the video and sort of follow along as we talk about this.
If you want, I will have it posted up on the Sasquatch outse A YouTube channel. That's where the link will take you to when you watch the video. We are truly excited to have Chat and Bob and the Basement Hangout as a part of our Paranormal World Productions family. I know you guys are going to enjoy them just as much as we have. So without further ado,
let's get into tonight show the Basement Bob. Today is a special emergency broadcast of the Basement Hangout System. We have to talk about the bombshell UFO whistleblower news that hit the wires on Tuesday. Are you familiar? No, you're not. I don't know. No, I don't know what the fuck talking about. Okay, well that's good. I like you should have prepped me. But before we do that, we have an announcement to make.
Just over a year ago, we had Brian king Sharp from the Sasquatch Odyssey podcast on our show for an interview because we were fans of his show and wanted to pick his brain. You remember that, Yes. Subsequently we did a couple mutual shows, one on crop circles and one on the possibility of giants being a real thing in Earth's past. Leading up to that time and ever since, Bob Sasquatch Odyssey has been gaining major steam and growing by leaps
and bounds. Brian has established his own podcast network named Paranormal World Productions, which includes the flagship Sasquatch Odyssey, as well as the Paranormal Odyssey pod cast the True Crime Odyssey podcast, all of which Brian started and maintained with his partner in crime Danny. Now, Paranormal World Productions network also includes the Kentucky X Files podcast, the Weird Encounters podcast, and the reigns of Paranormal Odyssey
have been placed into the hands of a new host. We've had some discussions with Brian over the past several months, and Bob, it is my pleasure to announce that The Basement Hangout is now also part of the Paranormal World Productions network. Nice in terms of content and format. For our traditional Basement Hangout listeners, nothing will change, but this will open up new avenues of collaboration and networking opportunities, and we are humbled and delighted to join the network with
us. Tonight is the man himself, Brian King Sharp. Brian, Welcome to the Hangout. What's up, guys. It's good to be back on the Hangout. I love hanging out in the basement with you guys. Man. Yeah, it's good to have you here, and again, thank you for bringing us into your network. Absolutely. Man, tell us a little bit about how that network is growing. Well, it grows, it seems every single day. Because ultimately what this is all about. You and I
have talked about it. We've all had conversations on air and off the air about collaborations with other people. That's what it's really all about. For me. I mean, I've said it so many times. I get to do this as a full time job. I get to do what I love to do, which is podcast. But the real thing that I love the most about all of this is meeting the people. The people truly are what I
enjoy the most. And you know, obviously we hit it off when we collaborated a year or so back when I came on your show, and then you guys have come on a couple of times, and it's just one of those things. You fit the niche. As far as what we're looking for with the network, it's like minded people who approach this the right way, do it in a professional manner. Have fun. That's the ultimate goal,
is to have fun doing all of this stuff. Everything we talk about is subjective for the most part, So if you can have a little fun along the way and talk about some cool stuff, then I see no harm in that. For sure. This is the way, Brian. Will you stick around with us? While we'd discuss the UFO whistleblower, absolutely, man, I wouldn't miss it for the world. Awesome. So two episodes ago,
Bob, we discussed doctor Gary Nolan's interview at the Salt conference. Yea, I remember that he said that alien tech and UFOs have been here for a long time and that the US is actively working on reverse engineering the retrieved technology from these craft. He also made it clear that the NDAA legislation signed into law by Congress provided for whistleblowers to come forward to testify in front of Congress without fear of prosecution. And you and I were amazed at that. We
didn't realize that the legislation included that. Remember that, and they had to come on the weekend. I remember, well, I don't know if they have to. They just kind of happened that way. Okay, So that is the same whistle blower or what. Well, that's part of the story, I think so. Doctor Gary Noelan even mentioned that someone from the Intel community had indeed come forward recently and had Washington buzzing in a major way.
And Noelan himself came across as very credible and said he was one hundred percent sure of his claims. And I remember you and I were talking afterwards and you were like, damn, that guy was good. Yeah, And I was like, why haven't I seen this anywhere? Right? So, and I was wondering, who is this that came forward? And so now it's
out and testified to Congress. Last episode we released on Tuesday, which was yesterday, and it was about the NASA panel that has come together to discuss their findings in uap or UFO investigations so far, and in attendance was Kirkpatrick
from the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Officer Arrow. You recall Kirkpatrick said, we are seeing metallic, sometimes translucent orbs all over the world which can stand still in the air or travel at mock speeds and perform gravity and physics defying maneuvers, all without any discernible propulsion mechanism, right all over the world. The US government is seeing these things and they don't know what they are. And then NASA ultimately says, well, we need more data and there's no evidence
that these anomalies are extraterrestrial in nature. And you and I were kind of like, what the hell, that doesn't even make any sense. So we aired that episode Tuesday morning, literally two hours later. Ross Colehart remember Ross
co Yes, we did an interview with him. I think it was two years ago now a year and a half, was October twenty twenty one, and he told us that he was in discussions with US government intelligence representatives who said that the US government is in possession of alien craft and is attempting to reverse engineer it. So he just released a short video clip of an interview he's done, which is releasing this Sunday in full. Where is it releasing?
Is it online and it's that news something online Newsmax. No, not Newsmax, NewsNation. Oh yeah, okay, so he is an independent, but he's doing this for News Nation. So he dropped that bombshell yesterday. What was the bombshell? I don't I'll tell you, and again two hours after we released our episode. So I felt we've got to come on right
now and discuss this. So what's going on is that a US intelligence officer testified in front of Congress about these covert programs where they have alien craft and they are trying to reverse engineer them. Ross Colehart interviewed him and is airing that interview. Shit. His name is David Gersh. He handed over reams of documents to Congress that the US is in possession like a set of crafts of non human origin and they are actively working to reverse engineer it and has
been doing so for decades. So is he in witness protection now or is he like safe? He has filed a lawsuit because he is starting to get retribution, according to him, from the intel community against him. Baash coming forward. Oh yeah, no, shit, So we can connect the dots, Bob, I think and assume that this whistleblower David Grush is that his real name is Yeah, is the guy that doctor Gary Nolan was talking about who testified in front of Congress. Brian, have you heard any of this
stuff? No, this is all news to me. I'm taking notes. Okay. So it's funny though, because you know this came out again it was a bombshell. Where did you see it? Because I know about the Canadian smoke in our air, but I don't know that. I'm gonna play it for you. And this is this is one of the things, right.
So a US intelligence officer, high ranking, he was in the Air Force and one of the other major intelligence agency I forget the name now, the one that deals with satellites, and he comes forward, testifies in front of Congress, gives reams of documents that's say that they're doing this. It gets announced, and the mainstream media and the public at large reacted something like this. I mean, at least they weren't laughing, I guess because nobody's
even heard it. It's amazing the Washington Post. Let me change my screen here so you guys can see this. I'm glad Brian doesn't know either. So it's not like I'm an idiot and not informed weeds man, so you should be seeing my screen here. This is Today's New York Times. So we've got something about I don't know even know what that means. Destroyed damn in Ukraine. We've heard about that. That's that's a tragedy. Uh, something about I don't even know again what that is. Here's the Canada fires.
You were talking about. Nothing about UFOs or alien craft being reverse engineered. Here's the Wall Street Journal sec Widen's crypto crackdown. PGA tour, the damn in Ukraine. I mean, the PGA toured thing is huge, merged with live golf, which is like the Saudi backed Yeah yeah, yeah, tourer than aliens visiting our planet for decades. No, but that is crazy ass news because they're basically accepting Saudi money. That's like dirty. Well, if the Aliens come kill us, none of that will matter. No,
The Washington Post Ukrainian dam Ukrainian pipeline. So Raine probably, I mean, don't you think that's probably the most Brian I would assume. So, yes, it hurts Russia, morbid also hurts Ukraine. I don't know, so, like I said, I mean I'm just kind of flabbergasted. Maybe people don't think it's real. Maybe the mainstream media is waiting for the full report that comes out this Sunday. But to hear this, I mean, imagine, Brian, if you will, that somebody videos a sasquatch in the wild
and provides information that the US government has been farming sasquatch. I don't know, and you know, it comes out and then you hear what would you think about that? Well, here's the thing about that, right, I think there's a couple of things going on here. First and foremost, I don't know what it is about the UAP phenomenon, but there's been so much that has been talked about, at least over the last five six years,
disclosure and other things. I think at this point it may be one of those things where people are just so immune to hearing this kind of stuff. They're like, Ah, yeah, you know, this guy's either crazy or maybe he does have something, but who cares. They've been talking about it forever. We kind of knew it already. It's you know, is there really a there there kind of thing? So I agree with you on the maybe this guy's crazy, Maybe he's coming out trying to make a name for
himself. Maybe the information isn't real. But if we were able to take a leap that the information is real, and we were able to say that aliens are confirmed to be visiting, the government knows about it, that they have crash tech, I mean it changes the pair time of pretty much everything. Sure, I definitely agree. And how are we going to get to that proof? Though? Where do you think that's going to come from what
he's turned over to Congress? Yeah, so supposedly the documents that he's turned over to Congress are top secret and contain communications and information about the US government programs. So big ups to Congress, I guess because they like give him immunity and yeah, exactly so, but it might ruin his life. Well, yeah, he's already, I mean, he's suing the government because of
that, he's getting reprisals. But like we discussed last week, you know, it's one of those things where you know they're going to just destroy him and it's gonna be swept under the rug and we're going to continue forward as always. Or so, anyway, let's play the clip of what was released again. It's just minor clips so far. The full report by Ross Coolheart on News Nation is going to be released on Sunday, and Ross Cooltheart actually
tweeted today to June ten. Yeah, so he tweeted today that what David Grush will reveal this Sunday is shocking and demands action from Congress. So shouldn't they have gotten a group of people together before they're like, they're gonna out this dude and then his life's gonna be destroyed. Possibly, well, but
Congress is supposed to be protecting him now. I don't know if that means he's the one seven armed guards or what if you're one of the other dudes waiting to disclose, then hopefully he's not made an example of like, yeah, that's true. Well they're probably waiting in the wings. Actually, you know what, Before I play that, let's listen to what Ross Coldhart told us on our show eighteen months ago or what Yeah, it was October twenty twenty one, and this is the intro to that episode on our show.
Let's take a listen to this. I was told by people who purported either to have worked or are working on what they all euphemistically refer to as the program that the United States is in possession of recovered non human technology. What blew me away? I just kept on finding stuff that just made my journalistic hackles rise. References to recovered flying sources in Nepal and Afghanistan, references spot
to an elite unit flying around the world recovering space objects. The US government years ago recovered non terrestrial material, and that it's been attempting to back engineer that material. Okay, so now fast forward again. Eighteen months later, here's Rask called Heart with his UAP whistleblower, who has now testified. Actually twenty months is it? Oh, it's October. Thank you, Thank you for the matter. You're welcome. You are one of the most trusted former
intelligence officials in the US Defense and Intelligence establishment. Yes, I was. You were trusted with the most intimate sea fruits. Yes, what conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP task course? The UAP Task Force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program. When you say crash retrieval, what do you make These are retrieving non human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will, non human
exotic origin vehicles. That have either landed or crashed. We have spicecraft from another species? We do? Yeah, how many? Quite a number? You're kidding now. I thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me, They approached me. I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that can confided in me. They were a part of a program. They
named the program. I've never heard of it, and they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other other proof that there was in fact a program that the UAP Task Force was not read into. If you're telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public has been led to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. US saying to the
human race. For the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely, the data points empirically that we're not alone. Yeah, do we have bodies do we have species both. Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots, And I believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds,
it's true. I've got to be a bunch about this. You're not making this up. This is not a lie. No, absolutely not, because everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They're going, is this guy for real? I am for real, and I'm you know, I'm sitting here at great personal risk and obvious professional risk by talking to you today, thoughts. I hope he has someone behind him like that supports him, like his life's not ruined. Bryan. Yeah, I can tell you
just from what I'm seeing, and I'm certainly no expert. I did some interrogation training as a cop, and if I were talking to this dude, I see nothing that indicates any kind of deception whatsoever. So he looks like he's telling the truth to me. And if he's got the stuff to back it up that he's turned over, then I mean it's it's certainly a huge, huge deal if what he's saying is truth. In Stay tuned from or
Sasquat jalousy will be right back after these messages. That's a really interesting take because I even though I'm pumping this and I'm talking about how amazing it is, for some reason, and I'm not trained, I was not a law enforcement professional. I am not educated in any psychology or anything. But something about him just rubs me a little bit the wrong way. And I can't put my finger on it. Because he's smiling. I don't know if it's
his smile, his smirk, his mannerisms. He's got to be nervous as hell, right, that's true. That's absolutely true, Brian, and your experiences. Could that account for it? Yeah? I think it could be nerves. It could be the fact that he knows that, as he said, he's saying this at great personal risk, and he's probably in the back of his mind thinking most people aren't gonna believe me, and the ones who do are probably gonna want to kill me. So yeah, there's a lot
going on there. But like I said, and I could be completely off base, but he looks like a person who is telling the truth, and he actually he looks a little pissed off about it, to be quite honest, he does. Maybe that's natural reaction for somebody in his position to be in because what he said is very true. If this is accurate, and this is what's happening, and all, as he put it, all the
data points are pointing to this in that direction. People have been lied to for a very, very long time, and the government of the United States is behind it. And he's a part of that machine. And when you're a cog in that machine and you've got the balls to come out and say some of the things he's saying, I think there's a lot there. Again, if he's tell them the truth, it's it's definitely a huge deal. Yeah. So it is interesting though that I, you guys have a completely
different take than I did, a different impression. I, in the bottom of my heart hope that he's telling the truth. So why would he not tell the truth? Is going to his whole life. You know, there's a lot of theories out there. You can call him conspiracy theories if you want, but imagine that he's part of, as they call it, a psy op to fool. You know, Let's say that it turns out that
what he's saying is nonsense. Does that put the nail in the coffin, So he's part of the disinformation he's even referencing potentially, And I know lou Alesando, who's you know, the biggest guy before him, who supposedly ran one of these um you know, government agencies, who tis you got it? A lot of people think that he's a disinformation agent for some reason.
Oh, I don't know. People are always going to think that. The other thing is, could US intelligence be doing this to fool our adversaries into thinking we have alien text so don't work with us. Maybe I'm going out on a limb there, but I don't think we need that though, well we don't know for sure, do we? I don't know. So Putin won't blow us up, is what you're saying. So but I do like,
Brian, that you brought up the body language. Yes, that is what I'm saying, potentially, Brian, I do like that you brought up the body language thing because I actually was looking at that when I watched that video. I wanted it to be true so bad, but something about the body language rubbed me the wrong way. So this guy is a YouTube psychologist who analyzes body language. Apparently he's a PhD. I've never heard him before.
His name's doctor g YouTube psychologist. He's a YouTube psychologist. A. Yeah, well, let's put it in another way. He is a psychologist who now has a YouTube channel. Okay, that changes everything, thank you. Ye it's almost nine minutes long. I'm not saying we need to watch the whole thing, but let's see what this guy has to say, and hopefully we can get some volume. Which expert and today we're going to be analyzing the body language of the UFO whistleblower, David Grush. David Grush is
an Air Force veteran and a former US intelligence officer. He claims that the US has intact UFOs as well as discovered bodies of pilots of non human origin. The nature of these claims are very different than many of the body language analyses I do. But it seems that a lot of people are interested in this. So let's get started so I can tell you what I'm observing as
far as body language goes. Before we get started, I do want to remind you to like and subscribe if you want to see more content just like this. All right, let's go, Well, we're going to watch now. Is part of an exclusive interview with News Nation. We're going to look closely at his body language, and I do want you to keep in mind he was part of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, so he does have legitimacy. So before the interview even begins, something you're going to notice is that
his lips are pursed. Now what this can mean is it can be mean lack of confidence. It can also mean stress, anxiety, or concern. Now he's getting ready to do an interview on television. He's getting ready to talk about what he says our government secrets that could make somebody feel any of those ways. But I just want you to keep in mind how this is starting. Brian, let me just ask you, pursed lips. Is that something that you looked for when you were doing your field work? Certainly one
of those indicators. But again, you got to keep in mind, everything this guy's gonna talk about is gonna be a totality of the circumstances. And I'm glad he even alluded to the fact this guy's nervous. He's about to talk about some real shit on national television. Of course he's going to be nervous, and that is a nervous reaction for a lot of people to do,
and anybody can take a video and do a steal. I guarantee you somebody could do a steal of anything that we're talking about right now and make us look like complete assholes and make it look like we're not telling the truth and put together an entire video on our body language. So I'm always a little bit apprehensive about that stuff. But yes, that was a long answer to a short question. I agree with you, and I made did look
like an asshole pretty much every day. And this looks like a different angle than maybe it was a quick shop, but I don't remember, like up under the lights. Yeah, so I didn't have this video and what we played. But this was kind of like as they're preparing right before they start recording. All right, let's go bull on secrets. He says, no one has ever shared publicly before one of the most trusted former intelligence officials in
the US to thinks an intelligence establishment. Yes, I was. So we're seeing a slight smile. That could be a nervous smile. It could be socially appropriate behavior, or it could be that he is preparing to deceive. We're going to have to see which one it is. You were trusted with the most intimate secrets. Yes. So right now he's nodding his head along with yes, as he's acknowledging that he's trusted with secrets. He's US Intelligence,
So of course he's been trusted with secrets. I'd be shocked if he wasn't trusted with secrets. So that is true. And I want you to keep in mind that he does nod his head when he's saying yes, and sometimes he shakes his head when saying no. This could be very important. It sounds like a small point, but it's something that's going to be very consequential as we continue to watch this interview. Let's just watch it again,
said with the most intimate secrets. Yes. Grush sitting down with award winning investigative journalist Ross Coltheart. He's reporting for News Nation the end of your time on the UAP task Course. The UAP Task Force refuse access to a broad crash retrieval program. So we're seeing the pursing of the lips. We're seeing the chorus of the mouth go back. This is oftentimes associated with anxiety, concerned things like that. Now, once again he's saying things that he says
are secrets. So maybe that's no shock, But I just want you to keep track of all the little body language pieces that we're seeing. Okay, let's watch it again. Those refuse access to a broad crash retrieval program. When you say crash retrieval, what do you make? These are retrieving non human origin technical vehicles, you know. Call it spacecraft if you will. Now, this is where it starts to be questionable as to whether or not
his head shakes are consistent with what he's saying. So watch this again, human origin technical Now. Right now, his head's sort of bobbing, so you can't really say it's nodding or shaking at this point, Nicoles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will. All right, so he was shaking his head, Call it spacecraft if you will. Now maybe he was doing that for emphasis, or maybe he was suggesting no, as he's talking about spacecraft. Let's keep watching. Oh, non human exotic origin vehicles that
have either landed or crashed. We have spicecraft from another species? We do? Yeah? How many? Quite a number? You're kidding? No, I thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse people started confiding in me. They approached me. I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me. Now we're starting to see headshakes as he's talking about this about current former senior
officers coming to him. That starts to see him a little bit more like he's not agreeing with what he's saying. Let's watch this again, me, I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that can confided in me. They were a part of a program. They named the program. I've never heard of it. When he says I've never heard of it, part of a program they named the program, I've never heard him archie his eyebrows like
that. It is consistent with him talking about something that did surprise him. Purt events. And they told me based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents another other proof that there was in fact a program that the UAP task. So after he said that they provided me documents and hard proof, he did a heart swallow. Oftentimes we associate that with very significant amounts
of stress. Does that necessarily mean he's lying? No, But we do oftentimes see it with deceitful behavior because people feel anxious after saying that, maybe he feels anxious for another reason. But I can say pretty conclusively that that hard swallow after saying that it would be associated with stress. So I'm going to do a meta analysis. Okay, he's analyzing him. I'm gonna analyze the psychologist. I've always thought to myself, the reason I will never go
to a psychologist is because they just tell you shit you already know. And so far, he's telling us shit. We already know. He's mad, stressed, he's stressed. This could be a lie. It might not be a lie. It could be the truth telling things that are stressful. So thank you sir. Shall we continue? I mean, he knows that he knows he can ruin his life. I can't imagine. Yeah, like he's
bobbing his head, you know, I don't know. So he looks to me like he looks to me like he knows no one's gonna believe him. But it's true, Okay. And they provided me documents and other other proof that there was in fact a program that the UAP Task Force was not right into. If you're telling us the truth everyone. The entire American public has
been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and so for our listeners, they couldn't see that. Obviously. The video paused and he threw in a lips show contempt. Did you see that? It was so quick? I didn't. I'm not sure what that So what does that mean? Chad? Let's rewind the tape. If I can find the right spot, what does contempt? Lip show contempt? Anger at the question? I think he's going angry anyway.
Yeah, well I can't find that spot. Let's just play. Yeah, there's a sophisticated Oh there it is lip show cantad disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. US saying intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely the data points. All right, now this was from behind, but watch this. He says absolutely the data points.
Just watch his head during that. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely, the data points. Absolutely, the data points. So that was a pretty clear headshake as he said that empirically that we're not alone. Yeah, the lip person again. Once again, that goes back to anxiety and stress. Does that mean he's lying? No, not necessarily. We oftentimes look for that and lie and deceit because people are stressed when they lie or when they're
being deceptive. It could also be that it's stressful talking about or revealing secrets. Do we have species both well? Naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots, and I believe it or not as as fan So he's closing his eyes as he's saying this. I talk a lot about people closing their eyes when they're talking. We oftentimes do that when we're thinking about something that we don't like. Now, does
that mean that he's lying? Not necessarily. Sometimes it can be used as a way to deceive. It could just mean that he's thinking about something he doesn't want to think about, or something he doesn't like. But it's a it's a behavior worth noting. Let's watch him say this again. Sometimes you encounter dead pilots, the psychologist is always believe or not. As as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. And as we saw there was a pretty
vigorous headshake as he said it's true. Let's watch that again. As as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. And the quarters of his mouth are tied again, which once again suggests stress or anxiety. So I've got to be bunch about this. You're not making this up. This is not a
lie. No, absolutely not. So now you're seeing him vigorously shake his head no. So you might be asking yourself, well, if he's answering this and showing this body language here, doesn't that contradict what you were saying
a second ago. Well, not necessarily, because something that we see and we see this on trials all the time, because normally am analyzing trials, is that when people are asked a question directly and they want to have a very strong point about it, they can have body language consistent even if it's not the truth, so they can say no and shake their head very vigorously. Is that it occasionally spills out occasionally they don't hide it. Well,
everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They're going, it's this guy for real, I am for real? And once again they were the eyes closed, I am for real now, That could just mean that he's stressed talking about this. It could also be a sign of sa take a position inside which you think it is. So what conclusions can we come to after watching this interview? Well, definitely had a lot of stress. He definitely showed a lot of concern. There were times where it suggested a
lack of confidence. Does that mean he's being deceptive or lying? Not necessarily, But what it does mean is that it brings forth a lot of stress and anxiety, something that we share. I'm going to hire this guy. It's not the only reason people show that. What I find harder to get past is him shaking his head no when saying things are the affirmative. So do I believe that he's privy the information that suggests that we have nonhuman pilots
that we've found. I'm not convinced yet. I definitely want to see more, but I'm open to seeing and hearing more about this as we continue. I'm sure this isn't the last we've heard of this. I'm really curious what y'all think about body language y'all noticed. But before we wrap up, I do want to remind you to like and subscribe if you want to see more content just like this. All right, Bob, this is now our new resident expert on body language. He's always fifty fifty. I'm coming to you,
Brian, I want your body language expertise. This guy was a waste. I'm sorry. I'm not necessarily going to have any kinds of opinions necessary barely on necessarily anything. Yeah, here's the bottom line for me. I've talked to a lot of people who did a lot of lying. Right. Most of the people, unfortunately, that I dealt with in the course of my daily career in my sixteen years in law enforcement, told a lot of
lies because they were in stressful situations. They were trying to avoid taking responsibility for what they were doing, they were trying not to go to jail, a whole litany of reasons. Right, you know, I'm joking, But this guy is really he's not taking a stance because it's almost impossible for him to take a stance on any of that stuff. Because here's the thing that we don't have, and I think it's important for us to all really understand.
We don't have a baseline for this David Grush guy. Right, we haven't seen fifteen or twenty interviews of him, to compare side by side to what he's saying now when he's talking about mundane stuff. Yeah, we just found a satellite that crashed the earth, you know, from nineteen twenty, and just mundane stuff that doesn't have anything to do with aliens or crashed craft.
So if you don't have a baseline for what this guy looks like when he's talking about his golf game or what I just I just swallowed really hardly. Man, I may be nervous about what I'm saying. Well, that means you're either really nervous, or you're lying, or you're telling the truth or not necessarily stressed me out. So if you don't have him thing about his kids or his golf game, and then you compare that side by side,
he may be a really animated guy. See I'm shaking my head no as I'm talking, because I'm getting a little animated because I'm a little amped up about our resident expert who just really didn't take any stance on anything. So yeah, I mean it's easy to say all of those things. Everything he pointed out is a possibility of him being deceptive. It is something that happens in deceptive people, But do people who aren't being deceptive every single day?
In general? Mundane convergations absolutely one content that they do so an and of themselves. It really means nothing in the context of what we're talking about, except for this dude is on television, the reporter basically pointing in his face, saying, everybody in America is looking at you right now. Would that make you a little nervous? Maybe, would your persh your lips maybe, would your lips show a little discontent or whatever? Whatever the word was?
Contempt? Excuse me, but yeah, I think he looks like a guy who's telling the truth to me. Okay, just my opinion. He's wig out because he does. I'm sure it makes makes him feel sick to his stomach to even what he's doing. Yeah, well, okay, you guys have swayed me. You know. My take is, do I believe in the conspiracy theory that the US intelligence agencies are doing this to proactively conduct a PSI op to convince our foes that we have alien tech therefore don't with
us. No, I don't believe that. Do I believe that this guy is going to risk his entire career to come out and maybe write some books based on this. I guess that's possible. But if he was already high level in the intelligence agency, it's not like he needs you know, money necessarily. I assume he had a decent salary and all that kind of stuff.
Why would you put yourself out there and make wild claims that the intelligence agencies could just come out and say completely false, and here's documentation to show that it's false. So you know, for me, I can't. It's hard for me to fathom somebody coming out and doing this. And also ross coltheart I have a lot of respect for him. You know, he's a
true investigative journalist, award winning exactly of the old sort. So you know, I'm crossing my fingers that this is real, because if it turns out that it's fake, like I said earlier, I think it puts the nail in the coffin of the UAP disclosure issue, nobody's going to take it seriously. Ever again, no matter who comes out and says anything, and that would be a real shame. It's like what you have to deal with sometimes, Brian, where you have hoaxers on the Bigfoot issue and they make all
the real bigfoot shit look like shit. But that's been happening with UFOs UAPs. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's definitely something that happens throughout But I go back to what you guys were just saying. At the end of the day, you have to take a look at what this guy has to gain versus what he has to lose, and way the two options and way the two side by side to say, what is his motivation here?
If he's not trying to be a stand up guy and tell Americans what they should have been told from their government for decades, what does he have to gain from that? Well, he'll go down in history possibly as the guy who did that, and he can stand on his own merits and say, you know, I bucked the system, I did what was right. I am a whistleblower. Call me what you want, but I did the
right thing. Versus I can't even fathom what the motivation would be personal motivation would be for him to come out and risk everything that he's worked for and I'm sure a six figure plus salary and a nice pension in retirement and security for his family beyond his years to just come out and make some kind of crazy ass claims about UFOs and dead aliens. It just doesn't make sense.
The only thing that would make sense as what you were saying, Chad, is if he is a plant from the government and somehow he's taken a fall here as the patsy to say, Okay, we've got to stop this UAP disclosure crap. So we got to come up with this, put it out there, and once this is debunked and we prove that you are crazy and none of this stuff really happened, nobody's ever going to take it seriously again.
That could be the motivation. I just don't see it. Stay tuned for more Sasquat Jealousy will be right back after these messages, right, So hopefully he didn't like right on the rooms of paper himself and like crayon that he turned in. That would be bad. So I do have one more theory from the Alex Wing Jones excuse me, the Alex Jones wings. Alex Wing, the Alex Jones wing of the conspiracy theory. Yes, thank you, Alex. There is this conspiracy called Project Blue Beam. Have you heard
of this? This is the idea that the US government. It's taken many forms over the years, but the current form is that the US government and the United Nations are going to work together to fake a alien invasion of UFOs to bring the entire world together and cause the true one world government, aka the New World Order, because now we're not fighting against each other, we're fighting against the alien agenda, and use that as the reason to basically enslave
us under this New World Order. Yes, thank you, Alex. So, I don't know if I buy that one either. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that happening. Didn't Ronald Reagan say something about that during one of his United Nations speeches? If that famous speech is how would our differences disappear if there was a threat from outside of our world kind of thing? Yeah, he did. Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make
us recognize this common bound. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our people's than war and the threat of war? I just I don't see that. That's a really far out there conspiracy theory. Again. I've said it on my show and I've
said it as a guest on other shows. People would be very surprised what the government don't know and what they're incapable of doing and organizing anything on that kind of a scale I think is just beyond the pale for certainly our government. And when you start throwing in world governments outside of ours, I just don't. I don't see that. So do you think they're capable of hiding UFO craft, UAP craft and pilots. Absolutely, it's all over the world
retrieving them. I definitely believe that. And some people that have sort of poo pooed that kind of conspiracy quote unquote conspiracy theory over the years have pointed to that. So they throw out the red herrings of you know, the government can't do this or they can't do that. It would be impossible to do that on such a large scale, and so many people involved, somebody
would come forward. Well, people have come forward. Bob Blazar came forward and look where that got him, you know, I mean he was a huge, in my opinion, whistleblower back in the day. I don't know how you guys feel Oh, I swallowed really hard. Again. I don't know how you guys feel about Bob Blazar, but I believe a story and I really didn't until I saw that documentary they did a couple of years ago, and there was some weird shit that happened in that documentary that really convinced
me that the dudes telling the truth. Yeah, I believe bab Blazar. I think Chad's on the other side of the flat. Well you you did you listen to that one podcast? Did? I still believe him. Yeah, even though he put forward all that evidence about how he was up to a lot of shenanigans basically his whole life. Everyone's up a lot of snangians when you're young, Okay, Yeah, I'm not going to discount Bob Bazarre because he was like those weren't shenanigans, like smoking a little weed that was
like cunning people for Yeah, because he's like a genius. Okay, well, so when you're young and dumb and you're like half genius at that time, he was trying to make money, like it was a prostitution ring or something. I'm on the fence with Bob Blazar if if you asked me to pick a side. Put a gun to my head, said you have to pick one or the other. I would probably have to go with Bob Lazar's full of shit. Yeah, I knew that. That's why I said,
you're other the side of the fence. Based on the information in that podcast that but DoD he was young and dumb trying. Maybe he was dating a hooker, a prosty and then he ended up so maybe he met a So I don't know, Brian, if there's some stuff that's come out about Bob Bazar when he was younger. It's not just about dating a prostitute. It's about conning for a living for quite a while, right, But okay, it's a bad way to start. I'm thinking he started dating this girl,
she ends up being a prostitut when they get to their house. Next thing, though, he's running the whole ring or has the house. Like, because he's smart, I don't discount him because of that stupid mistake he made as a young Yeah. Like I said, that's not the only reason. There was a lot more information that I can't recall right now, I have to listen to the podcast you're talking about, because I haven't heard any of
it. You know, I don't want to be out there beating the Bob Blizzard drum without holding and so I definitely want to look into that myself. But it also negatively impacted his life that he said he wishes he never would have come out. Yeah, I mean that's what you would say. Yeah, but does he make money off I don't think he made like a ship ton of money off. Again, in that podcast, they there were indications that he did make some money. He didn't get like, well, yeah,
of course, did he get independently wealthy? But he was making some money. So why not get independently wealthy if that's his goal? Because he's pretty smart. It's all conjecture. I don't know, right, he could be absolutely on the up and up. So I'm not, like I said, I'm mostly on the fence. It's just if you held a gun to my head and made me choose which I will do, not do that all right? So what do you think about this guy? What do you think
about this David Grush guy. Do you think he's telling them the truth? I mean, what does your gut tell you? I know you had some issues at the beginning of the episode that may be Chad, and I have swayed you from But where are you on your good with whether this guy's on the up and up or not. Man, I want to believe, and I'm a little nervous that my desire to believe will sway me towards believing him.
That's why you're trying not to believe. But I can't. I can't, no, no, no, I cannot help the gut reaction that I had when I watched this for the first time, and there was something about his body language that just didn't seem right to me. But all that said, right now I think I'm I am believing and I can't wait for the full interview on Sunday, which, like I said, Ross Coolhart said, is going to be shocking. So I'm thinking here's what I'm thinking. So
his asses pucker the whole interview. He's and he's upset. He's been lied to in the government agencye he didn't he's on the UAP whatever project and he's not being told about another part of the government that knows a bunch of shit. Yes, he's pissed. His asses pucker at his spouse maybe supports him or not, who knows. And his life maybe ruin. So that's why I'm thinking he's showing content like mouth actions. Well, I don't the contempt
mouth thing was not not part of my consideration. But you can tell he didn't even believe it in the beginning and he doesn't even want to believe it now, I think. But he just he's like, this is what I is, and he's shaking his head no because he's like, well you're convinced. I mean, why that I can see. Also, I'm thinking he's like before in the pre interview, he's like Ross cold Heart, they said
there'd be more of us, and he's the only one. I mean, you know, you would think you'd come in numbers, not just one, the first guy that went on a Sunday, Like I said, I have a lot of faith in Ross Coolheart. So I'm hoping against hope that this is the real deal that would grab a colleague. If I was gonna like out like he may end up living in Russia with snowdon you don't know who
you can trust at that point. True, but you would think when I did my before my Congress this closure, I'd be like, are there more of us? Or is it only me? You know? What I mean, because they could bury it and then you know it's the end. Yeah, well, thank god for that NDAA legislation that included protection. Yeah. So what is that though? So there's black projects who could do whatever they
want, That's what I'm saying. No, but what it is so I can't I can't speak towards his like physical safety, like if you were to believe that the intelligence agencies are going to send the American version of James Bond to assassinate him in his bed or something. I don't know about any of that stuff. What it really does is if you are read into a top secret program sci compartmentalized information that you only know if you need to know.
And even Lazarre talked about this, how the guy working on this aspect only knew that, and the guy on this back aspect only knew that, and the two of them didn't know how the two came together because they're only read into their compartment. If you're read into one of those programs and you divulge the information publicly, you can be prosecuted and put in jail for a very long time. So that legislation prevents that from happening for anybody who comes forward
about black projects related to the reverse engineering of alien craft. And that's why he's now able to come out. So who did that? What congressperson? Amazingly, this is one of the few bipartisan things that it comes out of Washington. It was several Republicans, including Rubio and several Democrats I don't remember any of the names, who put the legislation into the NDAA and all agreed on it, so they can't blame you. Whatever the hell else we need
them to do. But when it comes to UFOs, they seem to be able to get bipartisan, so at least that's good. Yeah, yeah, I'm somewhere, I'm sure buried somewhere in the bill. They all got mansions built on top of that funding, but we won't talk about that. That's airmarked bridges to nowhere. All right, Well, that's our special report of this evening. Stay tuned on Sunday, which I'm sure we will talk about next week. We do have another interview this evening, another Targeted Individual is
coming on, but that will air later in the week. Brian, thank you so much for joining us this evening, And like I said in the beginning, we are honored to be part of the Paranormal World Productions network and hopefully we'll be seeing you at the conference in Tennessee. Yeah, the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. Yes, yes, awesome. So, as you know, Brian, words of wisdom are thing. So what you got for us tonight? Don't rat out the government? Your wake up dead? Well,
that's definitely words of wisdom to live by, Bob. What do you have? So mine are for David Gulsh that you may be now a target individual. I hope not. But maybe that's why he's so waked back because he knows the power of the government. Maybe they're sending the microwaves to him now or the freak and caes or what. I just hope he makes it and like, isn't suicide? Did yeah? Yeah, yeah, awesome guys. We're glad to have you a part of the family and it was an honor
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