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Hey everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatchadis If you guys are welcome back to Sasquatch. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is Wednesday. I hope you guys are having a great week. We have an amazing show line though for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get me a Brian at Paranormal
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I'm gonna stop talking. You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show all. I don't want to welcome my guest today, mister John Sasco. John, how are you doing, buddy? I'm doing pretty good this morning. How are you doing very well? Very well? Thank you so very much for taking the time to hang out with me and talk some big Foot this morning. I appreciate it. It's my pleasure. I really always enjoyed talking about the paranormal experiences I've been on, absolutely and from what I
hear, you have had quite a few. You've been delving into several paranormal topics in your life, and we're gonna have you on a couple of times to share some of those experiences. But today we're going to focus mainly on the big guy. So what got you interested in Bigfoot? How long have
you been looking into it? And what got you started? Well, actually, when back when I belonged to another group here in Pennsylvania, we'd started talking about Bigfoot in relationship and not moving and I looked down and I heard russing, and I saw green eyes looking back up at me. About halfway up the tree. So that kind of startled me. So what do you think I did. Well, I jumped down as fast as I could. By by then it had taken off. So we set up several more nighttime
investigations as well. Didn't see much. Found some tracks and stuff which are indistinct but fairly large, and we found it in the neighboring areas there was. It traveled along these railroad tracks between two gullies. So and there's a creek down there and you know a lot of forests and stuff at the time.
Now it's all built up with condos and such. But anyhow, so the last time we were down there were set up and it was nine times around midnight, and we had five other people there as well, you know, with us. And as I'm walking out of the woods, my co investigator Devon, saw this seven and a half to eight footmen following me out of the woods. As I said, I'm six foot four, a little over six foot four, and I followed me out of the woods and disappeared.
I saw this as I turned my head around. Well, that case was later published in Fake Magazine February ninety three, ninety four. You can check on that you'll see it's what it's been publishing what was said about it. Twentyhow so that was the last time we went down. We actually can kind of confirm there was a big foot in the area. This is kind of strange, and I'll tell you why. As I said earlier, mc murray, PA is a fairly large town, and it's close to Pittsburgh and
Washington, PA. Maybe twenty five to thirty minutes from around rat right now at the most. So this is a fairly urban area. We're Pittsburgh's the second largest city of Sylvania too, so I mean you go three hundred thousand people. So this is this really struck me as very strange that you have a big foot in this area. Yeah, because the Western big foot seems to be very territorial and aggressive at time for the most part, attacks people
whatever. But anyhow, also keep that in mind. So that case was put down as genuine, but we did see it ever again. So anyhow, so, well, I get back one night. I actually want a couple more times after I just say, you know, just to check and talk to the people live there. But well, it was around midnight one night when I got home. It's snowed, and but there's no snows on the road. So I get home. This is before the advent of the
cell phones. This isn't about nineteen oh, I guess it's nineteen ninety three. Again, it was around that same year we had over five hundred sightings by the way Eutin area from police, you name it. Anyhow, So my first wife told me when I got home, John, the chief of police, called and they want you to come up to the high school where the hill is up by the high school. I said, what's going on? And she said, well, he didn't want to talk about anybody.
He was really upset. So I get up here. It's about by this time, it's around twelve thirty, quarter to one in the morning. And the only thing I had on me was a portable cubing which is like a large spotlight, was a portable power pack, and a stun gun. That's it. It's all I carry. Most of the stun gun wasn't for animals or big foot or anything else. That's for bad people anyhow, because you
know you're runningto them in the woods as well. Anyhow, So I go up and there's twelve police officers parked on the right hand side of this hill and thirty civilians. The twelve police officers were from four different municipalities. So I went up to the chief and I asked him. I said, what's going on? He says, look up there. So I look up over this hillside again. There was no snow on the rud but only on the
grassy areas. And I look up and there's this high tension tower. It's about eighty to one hundred feet tall, I guess, and I saw something like leaning against them about one hundred and fifty feet away, but I could quite make out what it was even with the QB, and I said, well, let's go. So I started walking them with the embankment to go there. And I looked back behind me. The police officers aren't following, and I saw, aren't you guys coming? And all of them said,
look, look the size of that thing. Now. I said, you guys are all packing guns. I don't have anything on me. But they didn't want to go. They were afraid. So I go up and as I started walking towards this thing, I got with them about twenty twenty five feet at first, and I saw what it was. It was huge, like as I said, I'm six foot four. This thing dwarfed me.
I didn't barely come to its waist. I checked it out later on by measuring when it was leaning against the high tension tire around ten feet tall. His shoulders were massively wide, I mean, wider than I can reach with my arms. Fan arms like tree trunks, legs like tree trunks. Stunk a high heaven, and its fur was like a dark brown reddish color long. Okay, Now I got closer and it didn't move. It hads arms slightly crossed and looking down at me. It had almost no neck, and
there was no sagital crest like a gorilla. It was more of a normal shaped head, but it was huge green eyes. I shined the light, the qube beam into its eyes, and it looked back at me and untilted its head skyways and almost no neck whatsoever. By this time, I'm within fifteen feet. Within fifteen feet, it's looking down at me. I didn't feel any fear of it, and I didn't feel any fear or anger coming
toward me from it. So we're looking at each other and stuff, and so I shined the light on its fur, and the strange thing was about this when I did it, Normally, you would think with a powerful five hundred thousand candle power que beam it would have reflected some light. Correct, No, not at all. It seemed like the light was absorbed into this thing. So I looked up at it. It looked down at me,
tilted its head. And I don't know how to quite explain this in normal terms, but I felt waves of madness coming from it, like it was sad. And when I looked into those eyes, I gotta tell you this. I've been a hunter many times. I killed deer and bear, you name it. I don't hunt it with the weapon anymore. I don't do that. I don't believe in it, but I believe in the sanctor of y'all life now. But anyhow, I felt this thing was intelligent. I
didn't see an animal looking back at me. I saw a sentient being looking back at me. So what it did put its arms down to the sides. Of course, I tense at that point. It could have torn my arms and legs off. I'm a pretty powerful guy, but it could have torn me to pieces and picked its teeth with my arms. But I'm going need to describe its space first of all, a lot of renditions of a big foot. I can speak on this as far as the eastern big foot
that I've run into. Its face is not completely covered with hair. It's got a it's hair is I mean, it's face is pretty clear pretty much except for like around the edges. The ears are covered a little bit, but you can still see the tips sticking out there. Not pointed. They're more roundish but elong aided. The brow is fairly clear. You know. The nose isn't real real wide, but it's wider than the humans. It
has defined lips and mouth. The teeth from what I could see that it looked like at some couple of k nines in the front and normal teeth but big. And the chin was covered with hair all the way down okay into the neck area. And just so I said earlier, there was virtually no neck on this thing. It was it had a neck, but it was huge. I mean its gigantic. I mean, this thing I've never seen anything that big. And I've seen bear close off and everything else. But
this thing could have torn bears apart as big as it was. So what I did, I still we looked. It was about thirty five seconds and this is before cell phones. I didn't have a cell phone, didn't have my camera because I didn't know what was going on. All they knew the police wanted to need to come up to the sill and three strides it covered thirty feet into the woods. I try to keep up with it. Now I've seen rabbit and deer ry. This thing was faster than anything I ever
saw. It was like it went from a standing start the sixty mile an iron and a blink of an eye that quick in as the woods. So I try to follow after it, and it's the time. I was pretty fast myself, but I couldn't keep up with it all and it was crashing through brushes and had disappeared into the woods. So I came back. The police and I all talked about it, and civilians were all of upset and things. So I took I made a report on I filed away, which
I had that file, and then I went home. Well, the next day I got a call from Channel two News here in Pittsburgh, Katka. And that's the first radio station it was in the country at the time, but it's the TV station Channel two News up here. It was Mary rob Jackson from Channel two News and it snowed the next day and had the temperature dropped ramatic. It was like twenty degrees below zero with a windshill. So she's I got this call and I was outside shovel and snow and my wife
called me in and I talked. It was a reporter and she said, mister Stasco. She said, I understand you're the investigator for this area. I said, yeah, I am, Well, what's up? She said, we had a sighting up in a place called Crescent Heights, a big feet I went okay. She said, can we come down with the Channel news vehicle pick you up and can we go there if you don't mind,
I said short, So they came down. I was wearing a black snowmobile suit head to toe in moon boots, of course you remember those things, and because it was so cold, and they picked me up and we go up to the site. Now, let me explain this. Crescent Heights is a very small town up through Granville Hollow, and I don't know, I would guess maybe a couple hundred people at the most of it are spread out like and they have a church, but the church is up on top of
the hill. Isolated her way from the town itself, and there's only a red dog road to get there. So we go up and when we get to the top of this hill, the churches and we see a bunch of people up there. So we get another vehicle and we go over and there's
these tracks. There's two sets of tracks. So I go over and I'm checking these tracks out, and there the big set was like I think it was like twenty seven inches and down into the dirt itself through the snow, and a smaller set was around eighteen inches to also dug down into the snow into the dirt. So Mary tried to jump between the tracks. Couldn't do it. I couldn't jimp and she's only five foot two or so. And
I tried myself, and I couldn't do it. The span between the footsteps were so large, and they were traveling exactly one foot ahead of each other, exactly like the Himalayan yetti with one Because human beings walked side to side, you know you're left foot right foot, left foot right when you can security to see a human beings footprints, but these were in a straight line, which is indicative of a big foot. So we go up and taking
measurements and stuff. And I did something called a soul compassion device to see try to estimate the weight of these things. Well, when I did so with a big set, it estimated a weight around twelve hundred pounds. That's grizzly bare size. Wait, and the smaller set, I estimated the weight around eight hundred pounds. But the strange thing about the smaller set, I gotta tell you that the right leg was heavier than the left leg by two
hundred pounds. So that's about a thousand pounds on the right leg and eight hundred pounds on the left leg. So what does that indicate to you? Was it carrying something exactly? So what's it carrying? It weighs around two hundred pounds. Maybe a baby, Maybe I'm small baby. A two hundred pound baby. That's a pretty good sized baby, or least a juvenile. Say. We follow the tracks to the edge of the hill where it looked down over the town itself, and they had squatted down in the snow and
you can clearly see their butt prints. Okay, So so I took some pictures that and stuff, and then I started canvassing. There was woods all around up there, and I walked up by myself and I found some hair samples up in the trees, which I later took the local university had checked out Winnie. Also I started talking to other people living in the area. There's a lot of black people live up here, you know, a lot of them are friends of mine and stuff as well. So me and two
other investigators. Ones was a chemistry professor at Pitton University, and of course my friend Devon was a new car engineer, and then of course me a site supervisor in environmental time. I was the smallest of the three of us, by the way, at six or four, so the other guy was six six, Devil was six six and a half. So we go up and we interviewed people, and they were all terrified. And the one moment
lived at on the outskirts of this hill. She lived in a trailer, and the trailer was mounted on the hillside, and the look in the window on me facing down the hill. You'd have to be pretty tall to look in that window, much taller than I can reach. I can stand flat food and reach apt so I couldn't even reach as high anyhow. So she was telling us was an old lady. She was telling us that one night she heard a noise outside of her trailer. She lived alone, and she
looked out the window and as something was looking back in at her. Okay, So this went on for a while. So there's that. So at this time, the police in California, PA called me talking to me as a friend of mine, and he told me that he was making the rounds on Route forty three and as he was driving up in broad daylight in the wintertime, he saw a bigfoot squatting on the side of the road watching cars going by. These are police officers, Okay. I went to another town
called Brownsville, PA. Not West brownsil Wood, Brownsville, and I talked to a priest. He had the night before he had taken out pizza boxes with some old pizza in it and put it in the trash. He saw a family of them rooting through his trash. Okay, apparently looking for food. We had over five hundred calls from state police, local police, people of all works, walks of life reporting bigfoot. I got another call from the state police in Uniontown that there was some sightings up in a place called
Cornellsville at a stone court. It was abandoned years ago. So my friend and I went out and checked it out, and indeed there's things in there, there's tracks in here, but we really couldn't find out where they led to. These creatures are very elusive. Okay, first of all, I mean extremely elusive. I mean you talk about the Champions of Hyde and go to see they are. But so there are so many sightings we were going
on at the time. So anyhow, let me move forward. So I told you about the first one, McMurray, and then I just told you about this one, and let me tell you about the hair samples. So I took the hair samples to a local university and they checked them out for me, and it took them a couple of weeks, and they came back with some unusual results. What they said was the hair samples were almost transparent, they weren't like normal hair samples. The only thing they could say about
identifying it through its DNA was there was an unknown HOMANDID. So that's I mean. So again, we're having legitimate sightings from professional people in a rash shop, and we have like set over five hundred in a very short span of time. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Sea Wooding right back after these messages. So where I live, there's a lot of woods and we have a lot of berries. We have a lot of game, I mean deer out there wazoo and stuff up here. More so i've ever seen in
my life. I mean, where I live in town right now, we have deer come across and have their babies on our ports at times. I mean, I should tell you something walking down Main Street and Washington, PA is not exactly a small town either. But anyhow so the other time, the third time that we saw a big foot, my wife and I were down to going down to Cooper's Rocks, West Virginia. That's one of my
favorite places. I used to go there and stuff. And as we're driving up that long grade to go to Cooper's Rocks, my wife looked to the right and standing on the side of the road just like next to the woods, was about an eight foot tall boot. By the time I try to stop and pull off the side road and disappeared into the woods there. And I'm sure you know that area. It's pretty pretty thick with woods. So
and that's close to Cheat Lake, very close to Cheat Lake. So that's the three times I've seen Bigfoot. I have to say some things I had mentioned earlier about Bigfoot on the West foot on the East Coast is learn to coexist within urban areas and not be too aggressive, although there are very rare cases of it being aggressive. Now, the further south you go on the East Coast, you have the course of Skunk Cape, the Bogey Creek monster
or those type of things, and they seem to be more aggressive. But again you have there's not as urban as the areas where we live up here. But again, generally speaking, the East Coast bigfoot or Sasquatch, whatever you want to call them, seem to be less aggressive or more intelligent about
human beings, and they're much They're very illusive. Now, as you well know about the port Lock incident where Bigfoot were sighted and they abandoned the town years ago, the Bigfoot out there or sasquash is very aggressive, dangerous, known rumors have but they've killed people, drug them off into the woods, never to be seen again. Those creatures are much more feral and seemed to be much more territorial. I'm sure you saw the one video where they showed
that. I guess there were a couple of woodsmen out there getting ready to cut some trees down, and a bigfoot through a log pretty far at them. Okay, so you're well aware of that. So what I think is this. I believe in my heart from everything I know that Bigfoot is not an animal for sake, I don't think it's a descendant of gigantopithecust either or the identisovin the ancient man. I'm not sure what it is. But now here's where it gets a little weird. There are reports about how they can
seemingly disappear at will. Whatever that's true. Either they're really good at camouflash they are apparently too, but or they have an ability and this is going to be really off the wall bit, they seem to have ability to just like vanish in the thin air, which kind of brings them into more where more people in this field now are beginning to feel that they may be interdimensional creatures or have the ability to some hut cloak themselves in a some type of
invisibility be where they disappear. Now the questions you have to ask yourself are, Okay, obviously they're a living creatures. They probably do die right, Okay, where the bodies. Okay, what do they Well, we know they can run down a deer, they break a deer's leg, and they carry a deer, no problem. The animals, they vegetables, plants and things like that, and they sort are omnivores. They have molars, so they choose food as well. You know, they can eat, like I
said, grassy things or whatever. But they also animals because they have canines as well. They're perfectly suited through an environment. Their feet aren't quite like a humans the way they're ups. Aren't things like that. I'm not sure you're aware of that. You can pretty much tell when something's being faked too, Okay I talked. You know there are people out there, and this
is what makes us feel so difficult. There's a lot of serious investigators other than myself in this field as well, and you know, Cliff Brackman's one of them. And but you have all these bigfoot groups on TV now where they're out hunting bigfoot to kill it, or they're out drinking it in the middle of field, a bunch of shotguns and things. Let me tell you something, if they have seen what I saw, the ten foot tall one I don't think a shotgun or a rifle had done much anything to it except
make it really angry. And I don't think you'd want this thing to get angry at you. Okay, big as it was. So I have a lot of problems with people bringing disbelief and ridicule to this genre. I try to keep it professional. When I go into an investigation, I don't go in believing anything at first, other than somebody says maybe they saw something.
So I go in. I asked them pointed direct questions. I need to know where they saw, who was with them, what time of day it was, how big they think it was, the etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And now anybody can see whether you be an upstanding citizen in the community or somebody was in trouble with the law at one time. I have to believe everybody because everybody has eyes. Okay, even children, Okay, they
see things too. So I go but with open but skeptical mind until the proof itself starts telling me one way or the other, what's going on? Now, out of all the big footcases I've been on, I've probably debunked about I like to say about thirty to various reasons like whether misidentification like a probably a bear or things like that, or somebody's drinking and they see maybe pink elephants, you know, or somebody's hoaxing, wearing a costume, or
just outright lying. Okay, It's pretty hard as an investigator to make determinations, but you can after a while you pretty much get a feel for these things. So anyhow, overses just for bigfoot alone. Now, I've been on a number of cases, not well, I'd say probably a good thirty cases where this is where it gets into the other field. And I know we're to talk basically by bigfoot, we are, but this is bigfoot related.
There have been sightings made by credible people that said they saw a bigfoot in a close proximity two or coming out or going into a grounded UFO. Right now, that's some pretty serious stuff. So, and the people I talked to were very credible people, a couple more police officers, some were doc when was a doctor anyhow? So I have to take what they're saying is factul Okay, And so that makes a question, what are exactly bigfoot? Now do you want to hear my theory? It may disagree with.
People may disagree with what I'm going to say, but I have to consider all options at this point because truthfully, even though I'm called an expert, there are really no experts in this field. We're all secrets, We're all secrets of knowledge. We need to know what's going on. First of all, let me just say what I do know. Bigfoot's an intelligent creature. He knows about dogs, can huntey, he knows about man's weapon okay, he knows to avoid close human habitation. Okay. He knows that human beings
are inherently dangerous to it. So this is an intelligent creature. Now, of course, you might say the same thing of a deer or a bear, But you know what you know, Wayne, that deer or bear weather can get into a person's house, rummage through things, break into a cabin's do whether they don't have fear of human being. I'm not saying that Bigfoot has fear of human beings. I'm saying that Bigfoot is aware of human beings and what are cable book, which means it's a sentient creature. It's not
an animal. To avoid capture like it has been has to imply a much higher level of intelligence I think given credit for it. Now, where did they come from? Well, I mentioned earlier about Gigantopithecus than in Denisovan. I don't think it's the descendant of Gigantopithecus, even though they're around the same side. Gigantopithecus a creature will live along thousands of thousands of years ago. It was primarily for my understanding of vegetarian. It was huge and powerful,
of course, as all things were in the place the scene era. I mean, you had megafloor and megafauna there, you had, my goodness, you had giant ground sloss twenty feet tall and sabor two tigers and mastodons and dire wolves and everything else. So it had to fit in and protect himself. But I don't think that's what it is. Now. My opinion is this. I don't think it's indigenous the of Earth. I really don't believe that. And I'm not the only one feels this way. Others feel it's
an interdimensional creature. I don't know the quisite way it disappears at will. The only thing I can tell you is this, it's an unknown creature, unlike anything we have on its planet, and they're all over the world. I mean we have them of course in the Himalayas, you have the Era, and you have the you know, you have the one in the Yahoi in Australia. Even so many apparently in the United Kingdom. We have members in our group that are from United Kingdom and they talk about a big quote
over there as well. And you know that's a much smaller country in the United States. But if they can hide there, can hide anywhere. And for centuries they've been talking about this creature. The Native Americans at once worshiped and feared it. Okay, it was a brother to them, but at the same time was dangerous to them as well. So I don't feel it's indigenous to the planet. I think it's from somewhere else. And my opinion is this, let me tell you what I think about the biology of this
creature. Okay, it's while it's been seen in a daytime, it seems to prefer evenings and nights, which would imply it's our boreal which also tells me that has excellent, excellent night vision, probably sees in different spectrums than we do, or multiple spectrums than we do. It a superhering. It has obviously super strength and endurance. It's not too affected by cold because it can live in high altitudes. It can also live in a low altitude.
Now, there are reports of these creatures building huts of a type built to put sticks together or whatever, or make like a tin out of trees, or a little turn a tree upside down and stick in the ground, as you well know. But here's the thing. Deer don't make shelterers, do they. Okay, so we know it's not a deer. Okay, but
where did these things go? Now? Back in nineteen forty seven, before I was born by five years, because I'm an old guy but still moving around, there was a sighting down not too far from where I live, of a big foot tricktype creature coming up out of the river. Okay, No, let me make a hypothetical suggestion to you. What if sometimes big foot can take and go under the water and dig underneath the embankment to stay
up under the there who would know they're there? Nobody? It's just like a crocodile or an alligator might do, okay, far off underneath an embankment somewhere, but they're masters at wherever they do. Now, they seem to be moving around a lot too, but they have to sometimes rest. So where do they go, Well, in Western Pennsylvania, I'm sure in West Virginia as well. You have a lot of caves and minds, don't you.
Oh yeah, yeah, we sure do abandoned minds. I might add very deep, and we have a lot of caves around here and things. So my guess is they have favored places to stay, maybe even overhangs, okay, things of this nature. They have to take shelter at some point somewhere to raise their young. Now you also have reports of them with young juveniles. It seems that juveniles are the ones that are seen the most because
they're more precocious. They're more curious and sometimes more aggressive than the adults. It seems like the adults have learned to cope with human beings and human habitations and things that nature. So I think that they keep in small family groups. There's an alpha male in the group probably and an alpha female, and they do move around a lot. Now people have asked me, what do
you think their range is? Well, I'm want to guess that maybe a sixty mile range, sixty seventy mile range, and by the length of their strides and how fast they can move. I'm saying they could probably contraverse that in the day, whereas a human being would take all day maybe to walk twenty miles. Okay, So these creatures are They move around a lot. They keep busy. Now I can give you some tips on where they'll maybe look. Well, we know they're omnivores. Okay, Well let's say this
for the sake of argument. You know bear like berries. Well, we have a lot of berries around here. Okay, we have fish around here, We have all kinds of things. They can eat, eggs and things in its nature. Okay, so they eat whatever's available. Now, when berries come in season, look for you can look for a big pot. Maybe you might have a better chance of seeing it. But here's the thing, too, Wayne, you don't go out in the woods with a bunch
of people in camera crew making a lot of noise. If these creatures have superhero like I believe they do, and expect to see one, you're not gonna do it. Yeah, okay, And that's the problem I have with these shows. You've got a bunch of guys out there carrying on making enough noise to wake the dead, taking a camera crew with them, you know, and a big fool can elude very easy to elude them because you can travel great distance, very fast rate of speed. Human beings can't keep up.
Okay, I can't do. You're never going to sneak up on a sasquatch. I've said it a thousand times. They know you're in the woods before you know that you're in the woods. And with my organization, manim will research what what we have done and what we promote and recommend others doing is just go camping, Go like you normally would. They are curious beings. They will come out and look for you. I strongly believe that you're
never going to go out in the woods and walk up on one. If you just go out and do your own thing, go camping, you know, just hanging out with your friends, they will come to you. That's right. And the other thing I would suggest to is what I used to do when I'm a hunt. I was a hunter. I don't anymore. I don't. I put a hundred years ago, but with a gun,
but I hunt with a camera in my phone now. But anything, What I would suggest is that when somebody goes out in the woods game trails, you know, you find the game trail, we're deer and rabbits and things cross over, you might find a big Foot using that same game trail. Okay, the fall the game for one thing, and go you know where power lines go through too, where these high tension towers. My guess is they walk alongside the hillside on these where the high tension towers, or that
there's a swath cut through the woods. So what you do. You go, if you want to sit, you go up there, and you make sure you don't wear any strong soap or after shave because they have super smell
as well. Apparently you don't want to alert them. You know. The best thing you can probably do is get some your scent and put it on you yeah, okay, and go sit up in the top of a tree somewhere, maybe good twenty feet up okay, and just keep quiet, don't move, have your camera at hand or whatever you have, you know. Okay, same thing with the game cameras. A lot of people put their
game cameras up between six and eight feet up. Okay. Big Foot apparently knows what those things are, and sometimes they've dismail them and destroy them, or they just walk behind them so they won't see anything. So what you do you take, say you have six game trail cameras. What you do if you're going to be on a set of power lines, you stagger them. You stagger and put them up about twelve feet, till them down, but stagger them so they're across from each other. Okay, all the way
up and just watch, don't move, and you might catch something. Okay. The other thing too, I don't believe in taking a lot of people into the woods with me. The more people there's more chance annoying. I've had so many people asked to go with me because they get excited about the concept and maybe seeing a big foot. Well yeah, well I'm not going to see a big foot with a bunch of people gacking and carrying on all exciting. You know. I'm not going to do that. I might take
one or two people with me and spread out. But here's the thing I want to say about that too. You know you're dealing with something very powerful could easily rip you in a half, or do whatever it wants to for that matter. So if you're going to go into the woods, you let somebody know what time you're going into the woods and what time to expect you
back. Okay, you make sure that you have somebody checking up on you at certain hours of the day or whatever hours of the night you're going to be out there, you know, having a little ear plug in your ear so you can hear them. But the Bigfoot can hear you talking back and forth or something, or text or something. But you also need a good setup. I would say the night vision goggles something like that, because if you don't have that, we're already a limited human beings only seen in a
very narrow spectrum. So we need something to help us. We need an edge, and you're not going to get an edge with your own eyes. Now. Recently, I just had both my eyes done, so I have twenty twenty vision of both my eyes again. But even so, you know you're gonna remember, this is a creature. It's adapted to the environment it's in. Okay, Now, if I had to say again, I'm going to digress a little bit here. I had mentioned about them maybe not being
from Earth. Okay, maybe they were brought here many many years ago, who knows. Okay, let's look at their biology. Big powerful cover, long hair, excellent night vision, hearing, smell okay, and intelligence okay, being they're seen in the daytime, but they're also seemed to be out more to night. So let's just say, for the same argument, they're from another world and they were brought here thousands of years ago because they've been
around a long time. So let's take them. Think about what their world might be like. Well, okay, maybe they're not the talk predator on their planet because they can climb trees. We know they can climb trees. Okay, they have an excellent night vision, so maybe their world is around a dim star, and maybe third daytime is twilight compared to like our twilight. They have long fur, so their planet might be colder. Okay, what do they eat, Well, they're on a divorce, so they eat
both. So that's why they survived. Some law. When you're locked into a specific thing as an apex predator, just like the Dinosaurs War, you're not going to be around very long if your meat supply, if you're a meat eater isn't around, right, and if there's no plants, you're not
going to be around very long if you're a plant eater. So they've learned to adapt and if they do both okay, So that's not my point being is that these are creatures are ultimately and supremely adapted to their environment wherever they're from. Now, is there a possibility they've evolved on Earth? Yeah, there's a possibility. Every day we you know, people seem to discover new home and a type of species. For this thing to be around, so
long it developed intelligence, you can live in practically any environment. The only environment I haven't heard of living in is like the desert, even though there's the Yawie in Australia. I mean it's sort of the desert at different places, but they've learned to live there too. So this creature has adapted to anything it wants to live in or to do. You know, John, really, I believe he touched on a little bit. I believe a big, big part of their diet is fish. What do you think? What's
that again? Wayne? I believe a huge part of their diet is fish. What do you think? Oh? Yeah, yeah, just like the grizzly bear and the kodiak ground there right right, you know they I just read a survey the other day. They were talking about the larger bears are the Kodiak bears because they live close to the coast and waterways where they get more of a protein intake from the fish, whereas the grizzly beer has to go out and really hunting berries and meat, but most of the berries and
things in nature or whatever. But so they're actually larger by and bye. I guess fifteen to twenty percent in the inland there. So yeah, stay tuned for more squat out to see. Will be right back after these messages. Now. I want to say something about that too. I've heard estimates of big foot size anywhere from three feet to fifteen feet or more. I don't know. I gotta say this. I saw a ten footer and that I'm sure I was ten feet talk because I measured where I was leaning against
the high tension tire. Fifteen feet, I don't know. I have to say that. I find that harder. It's hard to squaw. Yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy it at all. I think ten eleven feet maybe be the max. I just can't. I mean, there's I've even heard estimates even bigger than twenty feet or so. And then I look on Facebook and I see people drawing pictures of Victo looks like a miniature King Colin running around. Really, and this is the thing I'm talking about.
I mean, in this genre and now all paranormal field. For serious investigators and researchers, it does us a great disservice when we have people to come in and they put all kind of crazy post on or make up crazy stories or the UCGI effects, or they put on perilla suits and go running around the wood where you have these TV shows on where people out there are
half drunk and running your corn fields weapons on. It's just crazy. John, I'm really glad that you brought that up, because there are so many things out there that are doing a just justice to this field. It's already very very hard for us to be taken serious by the scientific community. When we're talking about an eight nine ten ft hair covered being in the woods that we haven't caught up with, most of the scientists are laughing at us.
It's a big joke. And then you've got people doing the stuff that you just mentioned, drawing the twenty five foot beings, and another thing that's killing us, the paradoia. In my opinion, it's killing us these people that will take a picture of the woodline and then start drawing red circles around every shadow that they see. Look there's one, or out there there's a boot, or do you see him he's he's smiling at me. Look at this one. He's mad and here's a baby one. I mean, it's garbage
in my opinion, and it's doing nothing but hurting us. Well you know, and I agree, and I hate I don't want to mention the name person's name in particular. There is one group that gets a lot of TV time and stuff and they air it a lot, and it seems on the group. The leader of this group, and he has some professionals in there too, but him and one of his co investigators, at every turn they see bigfoot signs and hear bigfoot. You know, they're out there making whooping
sounds and everything else. But it's crazy. I do I have seen those things you're talking about by the where they put red circles and they're saying this is a big foot. Well yeah, we're not really taken seriously. And for those in the feel like the more educated, the like Cliff Barakman and doctor Jeff Melbroun and stuff, These are respective people. These are scientists that
I'm trying to get a scientific take on these preachers DNA. I mean, I saw a special was about six or seven months ago, I think was where they brought a DNA expert. Can go up to a creek where big foot was allegedly seen and take some samples in the creek and see if you know of and maybe find some unknown DNA probably a bigfoot. I don't know if you saw that or not, but a more scientific approach should be used. Speaking of which being, the big foot can travel so far and so
fast, and human beings can't keep up with it. Okay, there's been some questions about using drones, and I'll tell you the truth. I like that idea because drones can travel a lot faster and a lot further, especially the ones with the infrared and night vision capability. Okay, that can help you out too, and also provide your safety, because what if you think you're tracking a big foot and damn grizzly bear. Yeah, okay, who's the predator? Who's the prayer? You know you're the prey when you're in
the woods. Human beings, and we don't have an edge unless we have a weapon, okay, period, and then we can get ambushed pretty easily. So I like the drone idea, but I would suggest something even one more thing, taking heather a balloon, like a rigid tape balloon, you
know, in the air with night vision capability. I mean, yeah, you're gonna get some play because of win, but try to tether it as best you can to a treat or something so it doesn't move or very moves very little, and maybe you'll pick something up that way through on a game trail or on these pathways through the force where high tension towers are at and you've got them everywhere around something like that. You got to bring more technology
into the field. Yeah, you know, John, I'm sorry to interrupt you there, and I agree with you, and I've said it a couple of times. I think it's very possible that our next good footage of a sasquatch could come from a drone. I really believe that, and I believe that we need to utilize some of this technology that we have now. But what's the best piece of evidence that we have right now, in my opinion, that most is the Paterson Giblin film. What did those guys. What
were they doing? They were on horseback. I think there's something with horses. Think that there's a connection between big boot and horses. I don't know if they're attracted to them if I just I don't know what it is.
But I strongly, strongly believe that if someone were to set up an expedition similar to what Patterson and Gimblin did and go out on horseback, just a couple of guys and go ride around California mountains north northern California like they did, I believe that they might get something else because I really really believe that they were able to get this footage because Patty was fascinated by the horse, the horses that they were on. She would yeah, their sense were covered
up, they were masked by the horse. I believe. I believe Patty smelled the horses. She came out to investigate. Oh crap, there's a couple of cowboys on them horses. I gotta go. I believe that's how they got it. What do you think? I kind of agree with you on that, I really do. I think that that's a good point to be made because we know that like Native American used to take horses and they laid to the side of them. On the side of them, they could
walk right up to a buffalo maybe and kill a buffalo. Yeah, because they were you know, the buffalo recognized the horses nod threatening, but the human being was covered up by they can't differentiate because they don't have the intelligence. So yeah, I kind of agree with you on that a lot, actually, But seeing not everybody goes out on horses, like I said,
what you see now mostly with people that are doing these investigations. They're taking and they're walking through the woods making a crap ton of noise And I don't care how quiet you are as a human being. You had a camera crew out there, you know darnwell, they're making noise the whole time. So what are you gonna do. That's why I really don't like and believe in taking a bunch of people with if you aren't going to have a bunch of people. You know, they hunt tigers, right, they have beaters.
They go through the brush and they beat these and they scare of the tigers out. Well, I'm not saying do that, but what I would do to say I had ten people, I would surround a certain area and work inward very slowly, or just sit an make a giant circle and just sit around with your technology and watch. This way you can keep an eye on a bigger, wider area without making a ton of noise, and maybe something
will cross through there. Maybe not. But I gotta tell you this too, when I've been on cases in the past, and I believe somebody actually saw a big foot type of creature, but I haven't seen it myself, and there's no real evidence. I have to go by what they say and how they present that their story to me. So the best I can ever say in any investigation without proof, actual physical proof. Okay, they saw something, that's it, and I believe them. I'll tell them. I
believe them. On the other hand, like you said with Paradia, I mean, people see things like you've been in the woods, Wayne, I know you have. You're in West Virgina. I knew Dorrin. Will you guys are in the woods. Okay, dude, there's a lot of tree fall in the woods, right, and sometimes they come down they make like a teepee looking thing, right, Okay, that's just the way trees fall. They fall in all different ways. But there's people out there that see
a tree fall, and I'll say Bigfoot made it. Okay, aloney, Okay, he might make it sometimes, but not all the time. Okay. I believe they keep on the move pretty much, and they might find some shelter under a tree or something. But buy and large, I don't think they stop to make all these little tepe type things that people say they do. I don't buy that either. Again, the best I can ever say without physical proof is that if I believe someone with them, look,
I believe you. I know you believe it. And I try to give a person when I do an investigation a major of closure, and sometimes that's all people need to have. Just with any other type of paranormal investigation in this field alone, Okay, you really don't. I think about this for a second, in any genre of the paranormal, what physical proof do we actually have other than maybe some blurry pictures or videotapes or some I don't know, maybe if we're lucky, a hair sample. Okay, we really don't
have any hard physical evidence or anything. So the most we can do we do investigations for people who've actually believed they see something, they just say at the end of the investigation. I believe you. I think what you saw was real, and I try to give them that validation in a major closure. Okay, And for those that have seen Bigfoot, there's a lot of people out there have probably have seen it, and it won't come forward simply
because of what we talked about earlier. Other people in this that go out there and they make light of the situation. For instance, at the height of those bigfootcases, those over five hundred that I investigated, I got invited to do a special on TV, an hour half an hour special, and I was going to do it until that evening when the broadcast came on the
Channel six news that for that investigation. I didn't a Crescent Heights that this TV station wanted me to do this, but they were making fun of it, sort of light of it. And that's the time. Remember when we were selling bigfoot pizza. Remember that years ago. Yeah, you're a lot younger than me, okay, but they used to sell something called bigfoot pizza. So they got on TV and right after that they were showing this commercial
for bigfoot pizza, and so everybody was laughing about it. So guess what I did. I didn't do this special. And I won't do this special because I'm a serious investigator. I don't play games. I try to do the best I can. I use a scientific technique, but I also use common sense techniques as well. I know for a fact, if you go into the woods looking for trouble, you're gonna find it. Okay, Just this past summer, my wife and I went down we did a moth Man
investigation down a point pleasant. I'm gonna. I don't know, I might go back down here this summer. I don't know that I did one thirty years ago or over thirty years ago when John killed I met John kill personal. But anyhow, getting off the subject. But the thing is is, I don't like to take a lot of people with me. I know that you have to use common sense techniques. You can't go out and making a lot of noise in the woods. Don't take weapons. If you're gonna,
if you must take something with you, take bear spray. It works on everything. It works on bears, it works on deer, it'll work on a rapid creature. It'll work on a human being. And you know you live in West Virginia. You know where I'm in. I'm actually in Tennessee. John, Oh you're in Tennessee. Oh my goodness. Okay, well Tennessee. Then, well still I think you're close to the Appalachian Trail, are you not. Yeah? Okay, Well you know we've had a lot
of people get killed on that trail too. Yeah, Vick, what's not the one killing them, it's other people. So you know, if you're going to go out in the woods, at the most I'd say take do use the techniques I talked about earlier. You know, let people know when you're gonna be out when you went into that kind of thing, check up on you, and take yourself some bearrass break. Now, I'm not saying don't take a side arm, but not for big Foot exactly. Yeah,
don't taken don't take a side arm. It's I don't believe in taking a weapon like that into the woods, like I says, But just use comments sense techniques now, I mean, so, how can I put this? You have a lot of different sizes for big Foot too. I mean you have the Jetty and the him malays is not as big in height as the American Sasquad Watch or big Foot, but it's meaner, it's more violent,
it's been known to kill people. Supposedly, even when Sir Edmund Hillary found those tracks and stuff in the mountains and stuff, it was around their ten areas and stuff. But when they talk to the people live in that area in the Tibet that they were talking about the year and the jetty and how dangerous they are. But it's not as big, it seems. A maximum size for the American big Foot and overall would be about I would think, of my opinion, about ten foot. That's about it. Maybe a little
bit more, but generally less. Females of course, are generally smaller. You know. The one that the Gamblin saw was about eight foot. It was female, obviously you could clearly see its pressed. But where there's a female, there's a male. It has to be a breeding population, correct. Yeah, okay, So, and I don't know if you've seen the map. I might send you a copy of the map that I have of
where most big food sightings take place. But it's down through your area in mind, as well as well as the West coast, and you know, so they're everywhere. They seem to prefer colder climates for the most part. They like more wooded areas for the most part. And like I said earlier, the West coast ones are more aggressive it seems, and territorial, very territorial, whereas the East Coast ones have learned to adapt and live within urban areas much more. Yeah, so you have some questions of me. I
do have one that I'm interested to get your opinion on. And then you know, we're coming up on the hour, so we're gonna have to get out of here after that one. But I'm going to have you back, as we said, to talk about some more. But I'll try to keep all my episodes around the power mark. But I do want your opinion. Is it going to take a body for science to recognize this thing? Finally? Is someone going to have to present a body? Well, that's a
good question and I got pretty good answer. It's been my understanding that the US Force Service after a fire in the state of California to recover a human or a bigfoot body, and the government came in and took it. Yeah. Now how truthful is this, I don't know for sure, but it came out and behind every story got to be some facts somewhere. Is it
going to take an actual body? Unfortunately? Yes, okay if you're you know, And but I hope it's not going to be the kind of where people go out there a bunch of goofballs with a bunch of guns and go out and shoot when they're drunk and stuff and do that kind of nonsense. Because you know yourself, Wayne, if you shooting wound to bear, what happens to that bear? You know, if you it's gonna yeah, get you're gonna piss it off. Yeah, he gets mean. And what's he
do later on when he runs into people. Yeah, he's gonna attack him. Okay, and he's gonna teach and he's gonna learn. He's gonna teach the maybe young ones to be more aggressive to toward human beings. Okay, I'm in the opinion if you leave them and they're gonna leave you a lot. Hey. Now, there are stories where people have left food for Bigfoot and they've come and taken like apples and things of this nature and stuff and
shown kindness. Some people said they've seen them over a period of years, and I kind of believe that, you know, But there's a state in the United States right now, I'm not sure. I can't remember if it's Utah or whatever they got to boundy out. I think it's a million dollars if somebody kills them or kills a big point with Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Yeah, okay, Oklahoma, that's crazy. So you're gonna be out hunting an animal or not even an animal, you're gonna have there, it's murder as
far as I'm concerned. Yeah, you know you're gonna kill something. It's intelligent that it's not bothering. You leave it alone. Now, Yeah, I got one more thing, or actually a couple of things sitting on the Let you go, because I have things to do. But when a big foot dies, what happens to the body? So going back into Earth, I would say, well, yeah, but okay, then that implies they bury their dead. You know that ancient man they used to think that Neanderthals
were very primitive and or trade them as more animalistic and things. But they know through digs and through paleontology now in archaeology, that the Neanderthals used to bury their dead and do ritual religious ceremonies for them. So but let's say say this for a sacred argument, and let's the bigfoot kind of like disintegrates immediately after death, which I kind of doubt. Is it possible that they did do ritual cannibalism? Possible? Think Okay, I mean I don't know.
I mean, no one to my knowledge has recovered a bigfoot body. Okay, nobody, you know, no one came forward. Let's put it that way. I think that that's more likely story. They bury their dead, but they must bury them in really inaccessible places or something, you know, because like I said, there's no one to my knowledge is actually found them a bigfoot body. However, the Native Americans have you probably heard the Red Giants out west. They had a battle with supposedly with these giant creatures.
And then there was the story in Afghanistan where the United States troops. Now again this is all conjecture, we don't know for sure. Supposedly this Candahar I think it was called the Candahar Giant, and they had to kill this thing, but not until it already killed several of our troops. Okay. So now Afghanistan is known for its cave systems. That's how they beat the Russians back in the nineteen seventy nine. They used to hide in these
caves and the Russians couldn't get at them. But anyhow, so I don't know. Like I says, they could bury them, they could eat them ritualistically. I don't know. I have no idea, I mean, but I mean when we know, they leave scats just like any animal does, so they have a digestis system. You know. It must be pretty good one too, because it can eat anyone. So I really don't know. As far as their family units, I'd say that their family units are small.
They keep them small, you know, so they can move around much more, and there's not large encampments of them anywhere. They need a breeding population, so they must value their females a lot more, and they're young. We're leaving some open areas for the next time we talk. We're run out of time on this one, John, But okay, no problem. You have opened my eyes to a lot of different things and made some really really good suggestions. I'm glad we were able to get this done. I
appreciate it, buddy. Well, no problem. Way, Like I said, just give me a holler when you want me to do something else. We can continue this and then move into another stopic too, because, believe me, over five thousand cases worth I've been on it, and it's a it's a really interesting thing. And there's an old thing. There are more things in heaven and hell than you can imagine. Well there is, and we've only solve a very small part of what's going on on this planet.
Yeah, for sure, we might need to do a part two with the big foot stuff before we move into the other stuff, because I got some ideas myself. Well, I'll be happy to hear him at some point. But listen, it's been nice talking with you today, and I hope you enjoyed the talk. All right, thank you, but we'll be in touch, all right, thank her. Bye bye, bye bye. They say you don't gotta go, oh, but you can't stay, and I don't want to be alone. We're all out that time, this time, that
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