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Uncle Bones. I'm glad you guys are here. So I don't do a ton of these live shows, but typically when I do, it's something important to talk about. Tonight is one of those nights. We have one of those people that really needs no introduction, frankly, but there's some people who may not be familiar with Doug, but we have the incomparable Doug hih check on the show tonight, and he has a lot of stuff going on with this new project that he's working on. So Doug and I are going to
be talking about that tonight. It is Legend meets Science two. I know you guys probably have questions about that. Some of you may not even be familiar with the Legend Meet Science one. So if you've got questions tonight, put him in the chat. I'll do my very best. It's just me and Doug tonight, so I will be monitoring everything. Hey, Hoernimus, Thanks for joining us. Man, what's going on? Mike Barron? Hey, what's going on? I'm glad that you guys are here. Hey,
Jean, Mama is in the house. I appreciate you guys being here. Doug and I just got together. He just got in the studio, so we're about to bring him up here. In a second. I'm gonna go ahead and add him to the stream so when he gets back on camera, there he is the man of the hour. Doug. Hi, check, what's up? Man? Hey, how are you doing? Brian? I am good, sir. I appreciate you being here tonight. Glad we can make this happen. Brian Corbyn's in the house. I was texting back and
forth with Brian. He's excited about Legend Meat Science too. He was jumping over and giving some money to the Kickstarter, which we'll certainly talk about at some point in time tonight. But let's start here, Doug. Some people may not be familiar with Legend Meat Science one, so let's jump right into it. Let's talk about Legend Meat Science one. How did that project come about? What were you thinking when you started that project, and how did
that ultimately come to be? Okay, Well, It's kind of a kind of a long story, but let me try to shorten it. I was up in the Arctic, came upon footprints that the track way, you know, was miles and miles because in the in the Arctic, there's no trees, you know, it's just tundra, and so these footprints couldn't be hidden, and that you can literally see him going off into the horizon. You know, I ain't already been familiar with bears. They knew they weren't black,
you know, weren't polar bears or a grizzly bears. And so I came back just whoa life changing. I literally got a hold of Matt Moneymaker. This is back in the nineties, you know, and Matt was just so gracious. He just you know, just talked my ear off, told me all these things about these things, and I was just shocked. And so we got to be friends Nixton, you know, you know, we're talking about Wallow and I'm like, well, how can we get this information
out to the world. And so that's kind of where a legimide science one was born. Is just you know one I was just constantly shocked by all of the information that was available on these creatures. But then nobody knew, including me. So I'm like, if well, if I don't know, and I'm a wildlife researcher, well then you know, how does that fit well with the public? No wonder. They don't believe it. And so it just set out pitching it, pitching it, pitching it, getting turned
down. You know, you know the deal, Brian. And finally it was John Ford at Discovery Channel, bless his heart. He looked at the one sheet that my agent gave him and he goes, yeah, that looks interesting, Let's do it. And so he called me up and he goes he goes, yeah, they wanted Discovery wants to do it, and they want you to shoot it in film, like real film, not video. So I'm like, sure, no problem. So that's what we did.
We shot it in film, lined up all of these different scientists and different disciplines, gave them a piece of evidence or a number of pieces of evidence to study and then come up with a firm conclusion. Right, so you'll see like the likes of like Jimmy chilcut for the first time on TV doing the fingerprint. But it was pieces like that that really wowed me as an individual knowing you know that bigfoot friction ridges on the bottom of the feet are
actually angled. They don't go this way, and they don't go this way like humans do, and they're kind of halfway between humans and apes. So it was those kinds of things that we included a Legi Meet Science one, and of course and Jeff Meldrum wrote the big book Legi Meet Science based off the dock as a foundation as skeleton. You know, he could expound on
everything because I only had fifty minutes to do everything. So that's kind of a really, you know, an amazing thing to try to take all this information, put it in within a fifty minute package, keep it very complete, and keep it entertaining so it doesn't go too quick. So that's always the challenge. So with Legi Meet Science too. So this is how many years later, it's like twenty three years later. I've been working on it for those last twenty three years, believe it or not. So that's what's
cool. So I'm hoping to put all of the information in all of it that one that we currently do know, but then all of the things that I have questions about, and then taking all of the new evidence, which we have a lot of new categories of evidence, and then getting those analyzed, you know, at multiple abs for the very very ending for a final final conclusion including full nuclear DNA under you know, the guidance of universities.
So we hope that people will not question the results, you know, and that's kind of where we're at. Well, let's talk a little bit about Obviously you answered the question about why the timing on the first one. Twenty three years later, you've been working on it all this time. Why do you feel like now is the time time to really push this forward? Well, because there really wasn't a lot until I had a sufficient body of evidence,
sufficient number of new categories of evidence. That takes time. Because when I first heard about all the different things evidence, I was going off of fifty years of other researchers, you know, putting it all together and then suddenly going wow. So it was I was ready to do it right away
then, you know, legimiate science one. But things haven't changed that much past that first fifty years of research that people had done, like you know, John Green and renamed to Hinden and Peter Burne and you know, all those kinds of people, but over you know, well since Steven Monster Quest days, I've been putting things, you know, basically on the back burner,
taking notes, you know, looking out for more evidence. For instance, literally in the last month, we have whole new category of evidence that came to light in the last month, and now we're vetting that evidence as quickly as we can. And that's basically on this purring noise that we thought we had the only tape of. Come to find out all these people and are contacting us, going hey, I recorded this in two thousand and eight, I recorded this in twenty fourteen. I recorded this. Now we're trying
to figure out, you know, what does this mean. And people can say, well, it's just just just another unknown sound. But if we can collaborate all this, do the spectrograms, and we're figuring out these are all in the infrasound range, the overlap above twenty hurts and way below twenty hurts. So suddenly it makes it makes it interesting because it dovetails right into a whole sound chapter that we're going to have in there with all sorts of
New Nation. And I really hope that after people get done watching Legimie Science too they really understand things far deeper in all of these categories, including the sounds, to where they'll be able to do the math and explain to somebody who doesn't know it of why a bigfoot scream is different than a cannon yeah, wolf for a coyote, and why is it different than a human, and why can't a human duplicate it? So we're hoping to just bring up
one the education of everybody so they can defend this. Damn, what would you call it? It's not a hobby. I can't think of the word. There's a word for it, this genre of anything that we all do and spend so much time on trying to solve this, whether you're a researcher or just a layman that's just interested in the topic, they're still doing research,
you know. So we have got twenty four really new categories of evidence and we're going to be looking at We're going to be dealing with all sorts of new scientists, and so this documentary will really be I think the best for another decade, another two decades, three decades, four decades. It's
gonna be a milestone. Dog. I definitely agree. I want to talk a little bit about those categories of evidence, because that's something that's really bugged me to know and over the last couple of years is it feels like I famously said, many times, we're on the five yard line, and I've heard other people. Now I tune into other shows and i hear people talking about the five yard line and I'm like, it's clearly across the board.
Everybody sort of feels that way. You're talking about all these new categories of evidence. Let's talk about some of the things that. Let's break those down a little bit if you don't mind and talk about some of those because for people that maybe listening, they don't really understand what's really going on. They look at the Patterson Gimblin film, they look at the Freeman footage and they think, well, that's basically it. And you throw in maybe some tomfoolery
here and there from people like you know, faking things or whatnot. But what is out there in this guys for you guys to take a look at some of those categories. Well, the main thing I want to get across, Brian, is we're going to cover every category. Categories people I hadn't even thought of. So this independence gives me the chance to say, I don't need to stick to a fifty minute format. I don't need to stick to an hour, two hours three. If it needs to go to four,
no problem, We're gonna get the information out everything. I've got to be a little bit careful of specifics, because already I've got two instances of
things people had no idea about, didn't do anything. Is suddenly another contacting people that are going to be in the dock, trying to do an end run, and you know, and that's kind of I literally was up till three in the morning on a very significant thing where another production company is trying to end run me on something and willing and they've got the money to do it. So that's where I get a little gunshy this close to the end. But let's see, um, let's go, let's just talk about one
category. So we have the anatomical breakdown of a bigfoot, right, and you can think, how many things can you write down concerning the anatomy of a bigfoot Brian The average person would come up with maybe a couple of things. I'm going to cover twenty thirty things and that are absolute, you know, meaning there's so much evidence to back up this, thousands of sightings.
For instance, we'll cover the i AM index as an example, which has been touched on very briefly in certain videos, but we're going to really go into length. We're gonna be able to give you the exact percentage of people in the world that fit this i AM index of the inner memberable index, you know, or the long arms, shorter legs, longer tours. You know, there's only one in five thousand people that might be able to squeak
into that category. But just on the anatomical areas alone, people are going to walk away so educated or they're going to be able to really get into some great discussions with skeptics because they're going to have something they're going to be armed with. And it's not just going to be you know, it's not
me talking. This is going to be scientists, people that are really good in their field of work, and maybe they won't even believe necessarily in the existence of the creature, but they're going to be cornered into saying, yes, this joint relationship to this joint relationship does not fit human you follow me. They don't have to admit Bigfoot's real, but they can back up every thing that we're going to have in here. We'll be backed up by science.
And if we do or anything something new or things to think about, we will make sure that people know this is an inference, This is not fact yet, but this is something, you know, researchers need to be looking at. For instance, we were talking about in the past all bigfoots may favor blue, the color of blue. It's funny. I just got a call from a researcher who said they put out a whole collection of rocks
and for gifting. They've been gifting for quite a while, and the only two rocks that ever get moved all the blue ones, you know, And so that's an inference. It's untested, that can never that will be things like that will be in the dock to give researchers more, you know, weapons to things to try. But there'll be so many things that will be proven and will be scientific and solid that those other things are just bonus,
you know, food for thought. You know, that colored blue thing was something that I was talking I just had a conversation with Jeff Harding the other day and we were talking about some research he did and Jeff was talking about putting out blue balls versus other colors of things that you would put out, and it seemed like the blue whatever it was toys or whatever the case may be, got moved more often and played with more often than other colors,
which I thought was very interesting. We do have a question from Robert here, how hopeful are you that EDNA might produce undeniable evidence that sasquatch exists. I think that's a good question. The DNA thing is always something that comes up. I know Melboy catch him's doing some new study and there's been some who high in the Bigfoot community about the DNA studies and stuff like that. But what specifically about e EDNA. Can you talk a little bit about that,
DOUG and how that's going to be sure? Well, one, we're not going to have to do an environmental DNA. I'm sitting on a pile of enough things that will have nuclear DNA. I don't need to go into the environment and do that. We may do some DNA if the opportunity comes up. With the problem with the DNA, I'm not going to have to pay for one DNA test. I've got to pay for all of these creatures that are in lake water or all of you know what I mean. It's
it becomes a very very hidden mess It's something for a huge budget. You know, if I had eighty thousand just to spend on one test, then EDNA is awesome, And it's going to the cost is going to come down. At some point. We're all going to have a DNA machine in our homes, Like we have a printer, right Like tons of people are now getting three D printers in their home because they're one hundred bucks. Well one point there were thirty thousand. Now they're one hundred dollars. You can get
a nice three D printer for a one hundred dollars. And the DNA machines are coming down, down, down, down, like exponentially. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out right back after these messages, and eventually you'll be able to buy one on Amazon for a hundred dollars, may be able to test DNA all day long. That's coming that that information will also be in legamide science, so people understand. But we're not going to need to do EDNA
in this because we have so many other samples. We don't need to go to that kind of desperate, desperate mode. You know. Now, I think the DNA is great. It's for instance, if you get a fresh footprint and now you can take the soil that was attached to that that had touched the skin. Great, But think of the sifting that has to be done to find skin cells when there's skin cells of millions of animals in that same soil sample. You know, insects and worms and bacteria there, everything's
got a DNA signature, so it becomes very, very expensive. One of the other things that you and I've talked about before, Doug and Jeff and I touched on this daring our conversation was some of the things that he had collected that looked like seabum or the excretion from these fingers. Is that something else you guys are looking into during the Yes, yep, yep. And here's where that's really good. Sorry, I'm losing. I've been on the phone all day to day. By the end of the day, I'm but
shot. Okay. So this is what I would call three D evidence because we have the latent details. So something pushes its face against the glass, it's going to leave the face print that can be lifted studied sweat pores, we can do three D you know, can reconstruction of the face. We can then do gas chromatograph analysis of the actual chemical compound. Because here's the beauty. All of the apes have been done, including humans, on what's
in the sea bum. There's many waxes, cholesterol types, triglycerides, there's all these different chemicals and then different amounts. That stuff's already been fingerprinted for every ape species. So now we get the sasquatch and that's going to have its own fingerprint. But the beautiful thing is with this sebum, it's the easiest evidence anybody can collect and be well, how are you gonna collect that? Easy? Put a blue piece of glossy plexiglass near your research area.
When that's scene, they're gonna want to touch it and they're gonna leave a nice fingerprints, and then you just collect them with a you know, a Q tip and and swap photograph it. Obviously you can lift the print, you can swab it for DNA. It's gonna have skin cells in it.
So now you've got everything at the whole enchilata and to be redone over and over and over and over and over again by every scientist can spend twenty bucks and go out to an area that they're told to go out to or that they feel is a good area, and leave a piece of plexi glass out there and come back and collect it. It's not real expensive and it's very repeatable. Because Bigfoot seemed to be very tactile, they like to touch glossy
surfaces. How many people in the audience listening have found fingerprints on their glass on their truck, you know, or their home because they like to touch things. It's one one of their weaknesses. They want to feel everything. So there you go. Yeah, I definitely want to get into some more of just research tips in general. But we do have a question from Tate Hieronymous. I want to throw up periods, something we've talked about on the
show. I've actually done a live show in the past about drones. Will Doug try my drone? Pheromones are pheromone idea? Yeah, pheromone idea? Toot? What do you well? That's yeah, that's been tried obviously, but these are things that need to be tried thousands of times, not just once. So the chance of that working in one area is a jillion to one and I don't want this show to be about trying things and then thinking they're going to get results. We're going to do things in legimide science that
we actually feel will get results. I'm not so sure that a drone a dragging pheromone around because the tree cover in the US is so thick. I'd have to go way up to the Arctic on the tree line during caribou caffeine season. Then something like that might work. But the bottom line is team
we don't know if we even have bigfoot pheromone. The first pheromone was developed by me and Greg Bambinick, and it was based on an idea that I had to basically take female vaginal enzymes and gorilla enzymes and mix them together and combine, you know, just use some common sense just to try it. It was just something I wanted to try, but it's kind of gotten into
those pheromone chips have now been used by a lot of researchers. But any other pheromone is just guessing, you know, we're just guessing what is it? So then you've got a double guess, and not only you have a thick cree cover, you're going to either be dragging a chip or spraining, and it's it's just to me, logistically a nightmare. You're better off attracting them in one area, and certainly you can use pheromones for that, but
we don't know. We don't really know if they were but the first time we use them, Brian, I'm looking at a photo above being of the Scuokum cast, a big giant photo that was gotten the first time, the first night pheromone chips were used. And the story is I was going to go on this Cucum expedition, but I couldn't go because my son was getting married, and so I called Greg and I say, Greg, you want
to go in my place? And by the way, he you know, he was a seasoned to sense his whole life, and he's a brilliant man. And I said, Greg Maminic, would you be able to create human and half human and half grilla sex pheromones? Literally, Brian, he goes, yeah, I might have any of those ingredients in my basement. How
many how many people could you call that would say that to you? But that I called the great guy and he developed him and he used a scent absorbing plastic that was originally I think used for coyote repellents, and that's how that you know, the orange plastic and that's all all that went down. But it was just basically an idea I had. This goes back, I don't know, somewhere in the nineties. But do they work, I don't know. Not sure. Well, let's stay on that line of thinking for
a little bit about you know. That's the other thing that's sort of been sticking in my crawl recently, is it seems like we're not getting a whole lot of new stuff right as far as research is concerned. So I know people are thinking outside the box out there. During the conversation with Jeff that I had, he did some pretty out of the box things, And I
know you guys work together on coming up with some of those things. If you're giving people advice that really want to go out and help collect some evidence that may move the ball down the field a little bit for maybe shows like this one coming up LMS two, or just other studies in general. What are some of the things that you've come up with over the years, or
that you would suggest to people that want to go out. I think we're past the point of screaming in the woods and banging on the trees is my point here, How can we think more outside the box and from your perspective, looking at this from a very scientific approach, how can people go out and collect some evidence they would actually help move the ball down the field.
Yeah, I mean it's actually quite simple to get evidence. For instance, this week we collected another twenty hairs that's in one week's worth of work, and we know they're sasquatch hairs by vetting them. But they're already in a spot that couldn't be anything else, you know, because we're collecting them from you know, almost eight feet nine feet in the air on a power line pole. And that's so let me go through kind of a list of things people can do they can afford. One if you if you have an area
you know there's bigfoots, look for the power line cuts. Look for the power line poles if they're wooden, if you're lucky enough to have wooden poles. We have come to realize that they use these things for backscratchers, and look look for hair at about eight feet up. So that's one thing that can be done, and you can tears that way on a pretty regular basis, and I know that sounds crazy, but it's been working for me. Two, get a motorcycle dash cam system. Because the cameras are tiny,
their waterproof, they're on a small, little almost fiber optic chordins. They come with two cameras, right, so you're not gonna miss action. They're cheap. It's one hundred and thirty five bucks for whole units. Got a monitor. It records automatically when it's powered up. It records audio and video, which is cool. It even records the GPS coordinates, which is cool. But the thing is, you can get very creative with these microscopic cameras.
You can hide them completely. Picture a camera looking up mounted down below a pop can, below the hole in a pop can, but it's down a half inch. All you see is black. You see the opening to that where you drink out of it, but there's nothing sticking up. It's recessed. You can do that with these cameras. So you do you know you have your campsite and literally, I think probably fifty percent of the reports I get or people that have activity in their camp when they're camping, they're
not out chasing bigfoots. They're not out doing anything. If anything, if their researchers are just doing one or two wood knocks, that's it. But these things are coming to them because they're curious. They're sneaking into their camp. Well, the beautiful thing is if you're a light sleeper, you hear them. The cameras are off, everything's off. You you bring a black tarp, you have a black tarp in your tent, You throw it over your head, power up the monitor and now you can see what's going on.
But you can have those cans you don't tip to over. You can have actually some of the liquid that's can spill the beer. You can hide these and potato chip eggs, you can bury them and just have just literally that three point six millimeter lens aiming straight up, if you could be five feet from your ten ten feet from each side on the tent with like a blue sea sky a motorcycle cam. They come with a USB adapter so you can power it with one of these cheap cell phone chargers, which is rare,
the rare. You can get as cheapest nine bucks. The power I mean think about it. Power supply the whole night for nine dollars and it doesn't weigh more than a few ounces. I mean, this is and these cameras are tiny, their waterproof. You can slid a little hole in a tent, you know, a little tiny hole. I always recommend people buy cheap tents because if you're one of those people buying a five hundred dollars a thousand dollars tent, you're wasting your money. Get the cheapest tent you can
get, because even the most expensive tents mold. They get black mold on them, they get wet, they get nasty, they get dirty. You can just toss them away and get the go for the go for the sixty dollars tent. Right, use them three times and you know, toss them or whatever. But then you can put slits. You can cut them little little holes at the very bottom or you know, very low, and get those cameras strung out so they go, and then you can bury the cable
and you can get very creative for one hundred and thirty five bucks. They used to be ninety bucks for two for you know a kit. So now it's gone up with inflation. One hundred and thirty five, I guess. But Blue Sea Sky one word, unlike Amazon, sells them, and they do have the USB adapter they include. That's the only one I've been using. But here's another thing. You can wear the same cameras out in the
woods when you will walking. You can. It's better than to go pro because it's instant on, plugging into your power supply and forget about it. It's recording and buffering because you don't need the footage of your damn walk unless it's recorded something. If you see something, if you hear something, then you're gonna want the footage saved. You hit a button, it saves everything, but otherwise it just automatically buffers over for twelve hours. It's buffering buffer.
It's dummy proof, you know. Once again, if I had a nickel for every guy said, oh man, you know I forgot to turn the camera on, I forgot to turn the recorder on. Well, with
this you don't have to remember anything. Make sure it's powered on, it's recording, and out of two cameras, you can have one aimed you know behind you came forward, and then on your way home you can put it on the dashboard so you've got you've got a dash cam too, so you're getting all this use out of one system, and then you can use it as a long term outdoor trail camp because now you can hide it, don't have this ugly big box slapped on the side of the you know, of
a tree. You want it so you don't see anything. So you can just send your best bud and say, Budd, where's my where's my camera? Here? It's that's somewhere on one of these You want them to come back going I can't find it. That's what you want. When you can say that, then you've done good. Kid's one of the questions that's come up for me recently that I've started asking people, Doug, is what is
the motivation behind going out into the woods. I've asked several researchers who have been on recently and this this sort of leads into a question that this is actually my mom, Hi mom? Do you ever think about the negative consequences for bigfoot once man gets closer? We all know humans can be very cruel, and it is more of a bigger question of say we do prove this species, what happens then? What about the big conservation word that always comes
up? Where are you on that? And how do you see science and proving this thing as a species, playing out over the long term, and maybe going into conservation as well. Right, I, for some reason, your question just push right over the top of my head. I was reading something in the comments and it was a long comment, and I want to answer the bigfoot atheist inquiry. So go ahead to ask your question. I'm want to answer his question. Yes, we will get to the Bigfoot atheist
in a moment. So basically, in a nutshell, the question was for me, it was sort of two parts. What does your motivation say with LMS two and just in general, is it to prove this species obviously? And then if that happens, where do you see that going with conservation and further down the road, say ten years after this thing is proven as a species. I don't think it'll do anything to the I don't think it will help the environment at all. I don't think they'll do anything. Here's why
I'm a very, very cynical. Oh, I'll just tell you a quick, funny story, but this is this is the way it really works. I was trying to buy some industrial property of building and I needed to expand the parking lot and there was a drainage ditch in front of the property,
and I wanted to put another driveway in over the drainage ditch. And I had to go speak in front of the watershed committee and I offered to buy an acre of land out in the forest to preserve some force land for me to put a ten foot wide I wasn't even blocking the water flow, just a ten foot wide driveway over the top of this they called wetlands, which was just a call just a ditch, you know, a man made ditch. And of course I got turned down, fought it for a year and
got turned down. But then not even a year later, they wiped out a giant wetlands that covered maybe five hundred acres. They wiped it out completely for a building for houses. So this is the way it really works. I wasn't fork and over you know, all this money to them, and so the builder obviously, you know, there's a vacation to Hawaii, and god knows to the these environmental committees. Well, it works that way in
every state. It's you know, you can tear it down as much swamp land and as much forced as you want, as long as you got the money, you know, So will it help preserve anything it maybe it could enhance us a national park, or maybe maybe it's possible. It's always the hope that one more national park every would get opened, because national parks are the only thing that are truly safe, you know. So with that in
mind, my goal is just to raise the bar. And just you know, even if we get really good DNA and it gets confirmed by two separate sources, a scientific paper gets written and it gets published in a proper scientific journal, that's still you know, that's just the start of raising the bar. That might allow another researcher to use that scientific paper to get a grant for a legitimate academic organization to give god grant for instance, from the government.
So it all helps, but it's not going to be an end all. I think even if a body was found and it was only one body, the same thing would happen. Scientific paper would be published on it. It would raise the bar tremendously, but it wouldn't finish, you know, the whole topic would suddenly they would just scrambling to set forests aside. Now it's going to happen because most of the land is owned by somebody anyhow.
It's either owned by the you know, the Bureau of Land Management. Some of their land might get converted into a sanctuary possibly, but generally I'm just cynical about you know, the population of the US is growing. They need land, you know, and they need impousing developments and so but I do know this. We have more wildlife now in the US than probably at any point, and that is exciting. I see yesterday, you know, I was out righting my one of my electric bikes, came across so many turkeys.
I feared for my life, you know, literally to the point where you know, you get killed by these things if there's enough of them attacking you. And so that's what's really interesting because when I was a kid, I can tell everybody this. When I was a kid, we never saw deer. We didn't see any raptors, never saw fox, never saw coyotes. If you saw there was a deer sighting, it would make the paper. And now they're everywhere. And so because we've we've done we've created more
edges, and I really believe the edges do help wildlife survive. And that's what we're talking about. Power line cuts, that's just another edge, you know, the edge of an agriculture field is where you're gonna have a big food site. You know, it's going to be that edge of the apple orchard. It's going to be at the edge of your campsite, you know, the camp grounds. Um, so that's kind of where it's a But I wanted to get to that question because it's good. It's a good question.
How do I know, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it up here and I'll read it to you. Yeah, stay tuned for more sasquatch out right back after these messages. So I don't know one hundred percent, but I do know ninety nine one there's been three sightings in that power line cut by different people. They don't even know each other. So that's kind of a good thing. So we know there's some activity of an unknown animal in that
area. Then one when I get the hairs, they don't. I cannot find any other hair in the world that matches it, so it becomes unknown naturally worn end um no mandola or very little, very fragmented mandola. So you have the naturally worn end you have that, and you have human scaling. You have all three of those things, and you have a slightly smaller diameter and you have a certain type of a curve to the hair, there's a certain curve to it, certain length. There's so many properties that can
be where a hair can go through a vetting process. If you think about human scaling, now that cannot be faked. So you can be as skeptical as you want, but no one's going to fake care scaling. Well, then if you take the amount of scales that maybe around the outside diameter is different than a human or the hair matches baby hair from a diameter standpoint, But what does baby here doing eight foot up in a powerline cut? And if it's baby here, then how is it eight inches long? See the
two counterdict each other. You can't have baby here that's eight inches long? And how did you get it naturally worn in? So we have babies living out in the forest if you follow, and I can keep going. So that's where you come to the inferred that this is a bigfoot here. And there's other tests that I do do, some of them I'm not talking about yet because we're going to reveal them in legamine science. And apparently I got
a und ninety people want to end run me on everything. So but generally you start lowering the chances and the odds that this is some other animal, or it's a human, or it's a hoax. You know, when yeah, well all of those things going for you, you tend to really feel confident you're dealing with an unknown primate here. And I think that's a very fair question because that comes up often for me, and how solutely it is
absolutely even with the vocalizations and other things. Obviously we've got a database. There's tons of databases out there with known animals that you can compare things to. And if you do that and there's no specimen that comes out to say, okay, as matches this, then you're just left with more real questions than answers. But it leads you down the path. It's sort of that collective thing of if this isn't a known species, then what is it? Right? Yep? It sort of nars it down to what we might be
more. It might be more interesting to figure out what animal it is. It's not a big foot, because God knows what red animal that's got auburn ring and tan colored hair it's running around the north woods of Minnesota, that's got eight inch long hair. I mean, if this is some type of
a new species of bear. I'm all for it, but I don't think it is just because of the consistency that we find it, you know, the naturally worn end alone, the morphology of that meaning it's never been cut, because once you cut a hair, that air can grow to a foot long. You can still see that cut in. That's see, that's the beauty of that. It's kind of it's a permanent thing when you cut your hair. So you know, I mean, we're dealing with a lot of
wild men in the woods or wild people in the wood zone. That's pretty interesting to me. If we've got you know, naked wild men runner around the woods and they're just humans. I think that's fascinating. You know, I'm being happy to spend the rest of my life, you know, researching
that phenomena. I love it. Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society says, will robot baby Bigfoot be powered by a our human handler and all seriousness super pumped by the dock, everybody go back at I've actually put the link to the Kickstarter
for this documentary, which will certainly talk about before we close out. It's in the chat, so you guys can click right there and go over right now while you're watching if you want to support this documentary, Let's talk a little bit about that, Doug. That's something that's become very popular recently, smalltown Monsters, Seth, Breedlove. Those guys have done a really good job of funding a lot of what they're doing. So talk a little bit about
the Kickstarter program. Did you wrestle with how to fund this thing? Was Kickstarter always the way to go for you? Can you talk a little bit about that and certainly will press people to go over there and give a couple of bucks and help support the project. Yeah, well, I've never done one. I've always been supported by networks, right, and the networks would have a much bigger budget than I would ever raise in Kickstarter. I mean
it would be astronomically bigger. But the trade off is you've got you've got to stick to that fifteen minute forty five minute, you know, timeline. So I did at first try to get a limited series through a number of networks. Didn't seem to be any interest, but it takes time to do this. Then of course covid hit and I went back to the networks and you know, it just time goes so quick. But so this kickstarter may fail, may end up in the graveyard of kickstarters, but then so does
a lot of people's on their first attempt. But this so if we do fail, you know, there's certainly a bigger chance the legimide science will never get ever produced. To that point, you know, a lot can happen, but we'll certainly try another avenue if this doesn't work, you know, if we can. But I'm really hoping it just succeeds, because really, if enough people get together and just donate even ten bucks, they're going to get something for their money. And we have some really good I think they're
good reward programs. They go all the way up to ten thousand. That one person even took us up on on the ten thousands, you know that that amazes me. But there's some people out there that this is important too, and they have money. They're not hurting for not hurting for money. And I think we're actually asking a very small amount because me and Scott are going to still have to finance it huge part of this out of our own
savings. You know, people think eighty thousand's going to cover this whole dock, not a chance. It won't even I doubt it would even cover some of the forensic. It'll cover some of them. It'll be a great start. And if we can get the eighty Wolf finish it even you know whatever, you know, we'll kick our own money into it, so um, we'll get it done. But we have you know, everybody's limited on what
they can do. So that's that's the beauty of a kickstarter is that we'll have the freedom then to make it as long as we need to, driven by content, not by a time clock, you know. And I know it'll be the best big for doc ever produced. You know, I'm very confident. Sounds terrible saying that, but I know it will be. I just know it will. You know. I would love to see somebody do a better one, you know. But you know, I'm I'm much more experienced now, believe it or not that I was when I did a leg
I mean science one. Yeah, I'd done quite a bit of TV, but only for twelve or fourteen years at that point. But then you know, I've got that whole Monster Quest series behind me, so I know to put together, you know, a show, So I guarantee you'll be entertaining. But we're gonna have this amazing content in here and you know, in the dock so and we couldn't do it without guys like you, Brian, supporting this getting the word out because it is for sure, it's a numbers
game. You know. Well, I did the math before I came on, and no, no, I don't want to pressure the audience. But everybody who will see this on my YouTube channel and everybody who will listen in one week on the podcast, if everybody gave one dollar, we would fund this thing in one week. That's the honest truth. So I'm putting the gauntlet down for everybody out there. One dollar is great, five dollars is better, ten is wonderful. If you can do one hundred, that's even
that much better. And there are tons of rewards on there for it, basically every tier. So I'm gonna do my donation. I'm gonna do my part. So I'm asking everybody who's listening to just do what you can. I know times are tough. I know the economy is not the greatest. That's the other thing too, Brian, we are living in a little bit of tough times. I just went to Wendy's to get a meal for two
people. It was like thirty dollars. So I'm like, that's fast food, and that's two burgers and you know, a chili and a fry and one pop one pop. But I'm just like, how is the middle class of forteen? You know what's going on? So these donations, I know they're more heartfelt now because nobody has the disposable income they did it a few years ago. Absolutely, if you can do without that one Starbucks coffee this
week, kick it into the kickstarter for Legend Meat Science too. There's a couple of other questions that seemed to be coming up, So I want to I want to be respect for your time. I know you're you've been talking a lot, so we've got to get you out of here in a moment, Doug. But I want to come these questions, Doug, do you fall into the wood eighte theory or undecided on all the super strange personal encounter
stories out there? And there was another one from Jeremy that I kind of know the answer too, but it kind of goes along the same lines. What are your beliefs around them being multidimensional beings? Possibly nothing would surprise me, but they do leave behind evidence, So I have to just go on that. Quite a large number of researchers they don't try to gather evidence because they feel they're metaphysical or they're you know, spiritual or whatever. They don't
feel a need to. They really feel like they know them and you know, or whatever. And I totally respect that totally. But on the same token, I really believe we're on this planet to learn. We're not on this planet to accept. We're on this planet to constantly learn, learn, learn. There could be no other reason for us to be here other than to learn, and so I want to learn, and so legimide science is all about learning and teaching people. So I'm not in any camp because I'm
open minded. I had one weird experience that I can't explain to or I felt like, Um, it was me and Blaine and two other people. We were out at the campfire. That was Blaine's girlfriend Andy Vette, And we're at the campfire or at a campfire, and we hear what sounds like an elephant running towards us, charging us. We hear the going through the grass, all the sound effects you can make. The ground is shaking, we ran out of fear because it was that intense. But we didn't see
anything. We never saw anything. So that puts you in It keeps you open minded, you know. But that doesn't even mean that's that was a Bigfoot experience. I mean, maybe there was an earthquake maybe, but like I could have a million excuses, you know, as to what that could have been. But um, you know, I'm open minded, one hundred percent open minded. Humble, humble, humble, humble. I'm right there
with you. I hear so many interesting stories that seemed to be what people call woo, but there are their experiences, right, and I just sure don't ignore it, right, you can't ignore it. I think there's a little bit of something to be gleaned from everybody's experience. Let shift gears a little bit and talk about something we really haven't I haven't had you on the show and talked about. Is another project that you've got going on and amongst
all of the other stuff with LMS two is the Untold Radio Network. For people who've listened to my audience, they've heard the advertisements on there, they've heard me talking about the fantastic shows. Can you talk a little bit about what the catalyst for that was and how that came to be. Ah Man, I don't even know what kind of happened organically a lot of ways. It all started with Bigfoot. I was at a Bigfoot conference and was asked
to whether I wanted to host a podcast co host a podcasts. So I did that and learned a little bit about the business and wanted to grow. Well, the only way to everybody can only do so much, you know,
I can only podcasts so much as you can. And the idea behind the Untold Radio Network was just to get similar shows to all kind of team up as a consortium and put our efforts in a little bit of one basket and team up and be able to get more done as a team, and to get information out where people can subscribe to one channel, the Untold Radio Network and get a lot of information on their favorite topics, Bigfoot being one
of them. You know, Aaron Arnoland, Bryan, you're obviously you're part of the Untold Radio Network with Weird Encounters, and you know you're you're one of the reasons, Brian, you inspire me so very inspire actually by what by what you do so well, that was very nice. I'll pay you later, Doug. I didn't know you were going to say nice things like that about me. Yeah, no, you inspired me. No, it's true, very true. But I really do think that podcasts are a great
way to get information on because you can listen when you're driving. You know, you can listen anytime you want, whether you're driving cross country or if you like to sit down and watch it on YouTube, you can do that. So really, it's such a diverse medium and you don't have to usually put up with a ton of commercials. You know, try to watch modern day cable now. You know, it's three minutes of content and ten minutes of commercials. So although we have to have a little bit of commercials,
it's not it's not too bad. It's pretty commercial free for the most part. It's a great medium. I believe in the medium. I definitely agree. Violet just gave thank you for giving up your coffee this week. Violet. We appreciate that, Doug. Appreciate that. So before we get out of here, Doug, let's talk a little bit about I guess the bigger
picture for LMS two. We've talked a little bit about what the reason behind it was, but at the end of the day, what is it the you really want people to take away from LMS one and LMS two when it becomes a thing and gets out there in the zeit, Guys, what do you really want to be the final word? And people to take away from this and stay tuned for more sasquatch odyssee, we'll be right back after these
messages. Well, I want to take away a lot of the ignorance and the myths that are floating around for the people that are researching and are interested in it. I want to also arm them with more hardcore data so they can say to their uncle, who might be a complete skeptic and thinking that you're a complete idiot because you're interested in Bigfoot, that you can hand them the DVD and say here, go watch this and then come back. You know, the jaw dropped, God, I didn't know there was us and
those you know, all these things eventually piles up. But the main thing I really want to do is just raise the bar for everybody, including the academic world. We need more academics and evolved. Amy Boo has really cracked open with a really unexpected system. I was on a meeting last Night in Zoo book. It was just so cool because there's all these academics in there,
and there many of them are anonymous. They don't want they don't want to be teased at their college or wherever they're you know, if they're a professor or their job. But there's interest in academia. But this is a cool, really cool way they can secretly buy Legende Science too, or or pay for a streaming service and watch it and get educated, you know, and all these new things and stay up to date. If this is successful,
if we will continue to do other projects with the system. I'm new to it, not used to it, but it's a system you have to actually get good at. I guess because it is our to convince people to turn over hard earned money. It's not easy, and I feel I've never felt guilt here in my life asking you know, regular folk to dig deep
into their pocket and donate to this cause. It actually leaves me with a twinge of guilt versus you know, a big, rich network that's taken in you know, fifty thousand per commercial that they're getting in from a car company. You know what I mean. To them, it's no big deal. But the average person. This is gonna be painful, you know, so we really do appreciate it, and I do feel guilty, So I'm going to make sure to work really hard so I don't feel guilty in the end.
So in the end I'm given given, you know, the guilt has been taken away, and I feel like I really did good. So that's my goal. I don't want to I don't want to leave the end of this when it's all over, the show has been produced, everybody's gotten their rewards. I want to make sure that guilt in me right now is gone. And that is a tough thing for any content creator, I think who's doing anything in any medium. I go through that with the show. It
is my full time job. So unfortunately commercials and even though you know the money that people put into subscriptions and things to get extra content, it's one of those necessary evils, and I have that battle within myself as I really want to do the best job that I possibly can to make sure that people feel like they've gotten their money's worth. And I think that's one of the things at least I love about Kickstarter is it allows you to have skin in
the game. You get to buy into the project, and when that comes out and you get to see that on the big screen on your television, whatever you watch it on, you know you were a part of that. Literally every contributor will get their name in the credits, every last one matter, all smaller donation, absolutely, and I think that really does say a lot about you in the project. And frankly, anybody who does it like this is you're doing it the right way. I know how hard you work.
I know you outside of these shows. We don't just get to see each other on here. I know the hours that you put in. We've been texting back and forth at hours that we should probably both been asleep, but you're up in your brain's moving and you're always constantly working. So that's one of the things I admire most about you. And I know at the end of the day you will not let these people down. But boy won't Tom I was gonna say too, because they're really you know, people say,
well, what does executive producer mean? That's those are the people that generally finance a project. Everybody who donates becomes an executive producer, and it can happen without you, folks. So like I said, you're going to find if you're listening to this on the podcast side and the audio podcast, look in the show notes, it's going to be right there front and center. Click on that, go over there, check it out. We've ticked
up a little bit. We started at twenty two six hundred ninety nine dollars and we're now at twenty two thou seven hundred and four dollars because we got that five dollars instead of coffee from Violet this week. So everybody can do their part. I appreciate everybody taking time to listen. I'm making sure that we're not missing out on any questions. Any final words from you, dub Well, you know, I do want people to know this is not just
an entertainment talk. This is they're funding science to get done the needs doing so bad. The other thing, I want to say that on the entertainment side, we have procured already, contracts have been signed on literally the best
production equipment money can buy, all cinematic stuff. So I mean this visually will be an amazing Just like I did number one and thirty five millimeter film, this one will have equal amount of effort in and you know, to look up what a red dragon camera cost We've got four of them, FLEDGINGMDE Science. We have track systems, we have every kind of jib you can imagine, robotic jobs we have. So every scene in this thing is going to be gorgeous, and I think that will actually help the impact of the
information we're getting out. So if we have a conclusion on DNA and it's amazingly filmed, I think it has a little more impact than a shaky cam going, if you know what I mean. So, I think this will be your future bible that you're funding for the Bigfoot. I can't wait. Everybody, go check it out in the show notes, it's in the chat. I will have it up on YouTube as well, and when this gets posted, so it'll be everywhere. If you just want to go straight to
Kickstarter, go over there. All you gotta do is put in Legend Meat Science Kickstarter. It'll pull right up. Give whatever you can and become part of history. It's what I really think is gonna happen. You're gonna be a part of history, and not everybody can say that. Doug Hicheck, you are a history maker, man. I really appreciate you taking your time and coming on and talking about it, and oh thanks, Brian. I
appreciate everything you're doing. I'm one of your biggest fans on Sasquat Jots, so you know what, you have no idea what I've learned listening to your show. There's no end of what you can learn from listening to witnesses. Absolutely amazing. So anyhow, thank you for everybody that showed up to listen to this. And I'll talk to you later, Brian. All right, I'm gonna play this awesome outro. You guys, have a great night and we will see you guys. And next time they say you don't gotta go
home, but you can't stay, I don't want to be. We're all about jobs, job and try every day. Call bad baby, put youry for me. I need to stay right call it right away, Ti