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to Brian. Let's ess about Jodyson. He guys, welcome back to Sasquatch ogustly, thank you so much for clicking play. It is Sunday. I hope you guys all have a great weekend. We had an amazing show lined up for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting gear. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me at Brian at Paranamileworldproductions dot com. Get head up to the website, check it out, become a member there and
help support the show. As I said, we've got a great guest lined up. I got to sit down and talk to Evan from New Hampshire and if you guys remember Gisha's been maybe a couple of months back. I had Brian Garvey on from New Hampshire and Brian shared a really interesting tent encounter and
we also talked about Evan's encounter. Well, Evan is here to give us the full details on his encounter and talk about some of the other interesting bigfoot sidings and encounters that are going on up in the state of New Hampshire and the surrounding area. So we'll get into all of that in just a moment.
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sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Our folks don want to welcome our guests of the show. It is Evan from New Hampshire. Welcome to the show. Evan. Hey Brian, how are you doing. I'm good man. I appreciate you being here. Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Let's talk about what got you interested in the subject in the first place. So when I was growing up, I was always interesting like monster quests and things like Lauren Coleman's Museum up here in
Portland, Maine. That really got me on a chump start to my interest in crypti zoology as a whole. Since then, some things, you know, growing up, I kind of felt, you know, don't exist in a way, but sasquatch and certain other cryptids you know, have always stuck out to me in a way. And about I think it was got twenty eighteen on Thanksgiving, I was riding around one nute and I had a encounter
with a sasquatch when I was driving down a back road. And from there someone told me that I should start a page and collect reports of sasquatch in New Hampshire since it was very It's not well represented up here in the Northeast, especially in New Hampshire as is. So basically that got me on a
whole rabbit hole going down with sasquatch. I've collected one and twenty some reports, and a lot of them are class A. Most of these people just wanted someone to listen to them about the stories since it's such a taboo topic around here. And then since then I've been involved with many great people and heard their encounters and got to work with some pretty top notch researchers in that matter as well. Yeah, I've become close friends of mine. I definitely
want to get into some of those encounters that you've documented there. But that's one of the things that Alex Pettacoff and I have talked about. Brian Garvey and I have talked about it's sort of this underrepresentation in that area in and around New Hampshire, And I think Alex was telling me this, Your state is like number two as far as the most wilderness areas in the United States.
So I find that a little bit interesting that you're not getting a ton of reports, or at least it seems to be underrepresented out there in the zeit guy. So I'm very glad that you have decided to sort of take up that gauntlet and walk alongside Alex and even some of the things that Brian and Alex are doing together to sort of document some of them. So I certainly want to talk about those. But you mentioned you were encounter in twenty
eighteen. Would you mind taking us back and telling us where you were, what you were doing, and describe what happened to you. Yeah, So it was the evening of basegiving twenty eighteen. I recently lost my best friend to a car accident, and I was pretty depressed at the time, and
I was driving around some back roads that was pretty therapeutic to me. And I was going down a road in Nottingham and May Hampshire called Stevens Hill Road, and I was going a little bit, you know, too fast, and I was coming up upon a curve and then my high beams hit what I thought were a reflector is on a tree. Lo and behold, as I got closer, I watched what turned out to be a sasquatch raised its
right arm over its eyes to block out the high beams. I stopped a little bit of a distance away, and I'm just sitting there like, holy crap, like this is actually happening to me, Like I basically knew what it was when I saw it, but there had there was that little bit of disbelief in like shock that was definitely there that it's standing right in front of you. So basically, this creature lowered its arm down slowly and I
could see the longer hair on its forearm. It was illuminating a like a brick red orange tape of color with little bits of snow frozen into the hair around its body, and I can see the breath coming from this thing. There's steam, and as it lowers its arm, it's kind of like sitting there staring at me with it's almost like a scolding look, like what the
hell are you still standing there for? And I'm sitting there and frozen, and this thing just looks at me, guys, squints a little bit, and then puffs out of breath, almost like a grunted at me, which I didn't hear or anything, and I just see this plume steam. He just leaves its mouth with the exhale of whatever I was doing, which definitely looked like a grunt to me. After that, it turns towards the woods and runs back down into the woods. That's where I lost sight of it.
Well, let's talk a little bit about the size of this thing and did you get a good look at its face? That's always something that's really interesting to me when someone gets close enough to have a face to face encounter with them, is what the face looked like? Was it more ape like? Was it more human? And can you judge as far as how tall this thing was? And maybe wait on it as well? Yeah, So the face of the creature was a more human like for sure, it had
elements of an ape. How I described it as a proto human in a way. The nose was not like an ape like a law of depictions show. It was more flat, almost like a native person's nose or like a
Pacific islanders like no structure, a little bit flatter. And I remember it almost had like a gray, like an ashy gray skin around its eyes and part of its cheeks, but the rest of the bottom it almost had like a beard, so to say, not so much a beard, but it was covered in hair from the chin in the lower parts of the cheeks. I didn't get it looked at its teeth, even though it kind of grunted at me, but that's basically it looked like in the eyes where this color
of an auburn, like an auburn reddish orange. And it wasn't a glow. It was distinctly a reflection because I remember when it turned its ted loss act below well the shine that was reflecting from my high beams. And as far as how big this thing was, did you estimate height and weight on it? So it wasn't like the you know, a it wasn't stocky, so to say, it wasn't like completely like huge, like how they say
how they are over in the Northwest. It was definitely toned. It had plenty of muscle mass on it, but it was very It was around seven feet from what I first thought, and later on when we revisited the site of the data we found the track that's what we were originally out there to do. It turned out to be around eight feet tall for the height, and I do remember clearly that the head did not have that conical shape at
the top. It was rounded like a human beings or which, like I said, it was more proto human than eight Did you get a sense of I know it's subjective obviously, but you're clearly coming down this road and you got some speed up. You said you were driving pretty fast, you got your high beams on, and this thing's just standing there, basically propped up
next to a tree. Do you have any idea in retrospect what this thing might have been doing, Because that's one of the other things that's always fascinated me is how elusive these creatures are and how very seldom they're actually seen, and yet it's I joke all the time. People are probably already rolling their eyes. I know exactly what I'm gonna say, But I joke about this all the time. It seems like once or twice a month, I'll talk
to somebody who almost runs over one of these things crossing the street. So did you get a sense of why it was still standing there, I mean, or what it might have been doing. Do you think it was just crossing the road or just curious? So I caught it from my guest mid stride as it because there's a pond down at the bottom of the hill I was driving along and it's called Quincy Pond, and I believe it was the right foot that was in front of the other, and I thought it was
like walking down to go get a drink. And after we found the print, Bryan Garvey and I talked about it because we were sitting there for about I don't know, two almost two hours waiting for alex pedicopter arrive, and I almost thought that it was kind of setting like a distraction up for possibly a younger one to get away. There's the tracks that we found were a good bit smaller than what I would expect for that particular sasquatch like it absolutely
could have been. But I'm guessing that it could have been sitting there to allow for maybe one of the it's young to get away or another sasquash just slip away around the back of my car or something like that, and I
could have seen it, So maybe a distraction. Definitely a water source down there, and along that road is a set of power lines that connects to the rest of the state, and we Alex and I have both collected reports from other people along those same set of power lines or just adjacent to them. So maybe like a little bit of a highway thing, a little bit of like a super sasquash highway where they go up and down migrate upon it since it's the route of least resistance. So this thing turns around, it
takes off into the woods. What was your immediate reaction? What did you do right after this thing turned around and made its way out of your v I basically collected myself and I was like, I sped right off. I drove right guy where it ran down the hill. I took off, and I was sitting there just questioning myself in a way, is that actually what
I saw? And it's just too tangible in my mind, and like just the whole aspect of the creature to sit in there and just the it's the image is still seared in my brain, especially the part when it lowered its arm, made the face at me and huffed out that frankly, a massive breath of air. That's probably where the part that it was like the most real to me is that this thing was living, breathing, and especially in
like there was parts of snow that we're stuck to its fur. I mean, a hallucination wouldn't do any of that, and I wasn't on anything that would have caused a hallucination as it's But most I would be is that I was tired. But it's too tangible. It wasn't a dream. It wasn't something that I fell asleep while I was driving and imagined it. It was there. It was flesh and blood. Wasn't some sort of you know, something going on with my brain. It was right in front of me.
So you had that experience, you collected yourself, you were able to drive on how long did it take you before you were able to tell somebody? Because again I've said it on the show many times one or two things usually happens when somebody has, especially a close up encounter like that where they're looking
face to face with these things. They either don't want to talk about it and they sort of drive it out of their mind and they try to move on, or they do the opposite route, which is they want to tell everybody they know and then find out as much as they possibly can about these things. Which of those things happened for you? How long did it take you to tell somebody who was that? And how did they take your story? And then what happened for you after that as far as wanting to know
more? So, basically, I mean I kept the story to myself, even from my family, which after my friend died, he was the closest person to me that I had for that basically the fifteen years I knew when I grew up with a guy and he was the only one that I really talked to and the only the person that I told to like this encounter too was my ex girlfriend about the situation and that I have the encounter there, and I mean she believed me, but I was still hesitant to even share
it. And that's where the idea came up. To the create the they Hampshire Sasquatch page itself. Now, I you know, the BFR row in my state, there's really no BFR row. There's no I mean, there is a member that is active, but not as active as a state like California or Washington for that matter, somewhere than Northwest or the West itself. And basically that's what made me get, you know, in the Hampshire Sasquatch
page going. So I can not only help myself and get confirmation and get what other people are seeing, but I wanted to also help the other people that were in my area who have encounters to be able to share their stories and not feel like it's taboo, and give them a platform that they're able to hey, I saw this, this is my story, and not be judged for it, which I've ended up drawing out a lot more people from the Hampshire in the Northeast as a whole, to share their stories in a
place that's it's so taboo and it's such a weird thing. It takes a lot for someone to come out with those stories, especially with the emotional situations that it put them through. Some of them have PTSDs, some ways, stay tuned for more sasquatch Otosy will be right back after these messages, and they won't go out on the woods afterwards. How I was in a way, I won't go camping alone anymore. I used to go camping, buy
myself for the woods all the time. But now that I know what in the woods, even though I know that it's probably not going to hurt me, I still have that problem. Yeah, and you're not alone, man, I've got to show. We're recording this on April nineteenth. I think Dan's show is going to be out this Friday and a couple of days,
So people who are hearing this now probably already heard his episode. But Dan was a hunter, and he came face to face with one of these things that he thought was luring him in with wood knocks, which is something I've never really heard before his story, and he had a really difficult time. He had PTSD. He turned to drinking. He was very open and honest about trying to drink his troubles away and bury this thing at the bottom of
a bottle, in his words. So I think there's a lot of people out there who have that similar experience and probably turn to the same thing. So I think it's a phenomenal thing. It's a brave thing. Ad you never wanted to share your story and then to be want to help other people and create a group to give people a platform like that to come out and say this happened to me, and I want to share it with somebody who
doesn't think I'm crazy. That's what the show is all about. Sasquatch Odyssey has always been a safe space and people, you know, that's a warm and fuzzy, you know, millennial word. Everybody needs a safe space, but you really do. You have to have a safe space to come and tell your stories where people don't judge you and don't think that you're crazy.
Because every single story has merit. There's something to be gleaned from every single encounter story, whether it's a whoop or a wood knock or a face to face encounter from twenty feet away. Everybody's story is important. So I applaud you for at least being able to come out initially and tell somebody and then say, you know what, I'm not just going to tell people. I'm going to have a place for people to come and share their encounters as well.
I want to talk a little bit about you mentioned it, So let's go back to when you and Brian obviously shared the story in detail on the show before, but I want to get it from your perspective. How long did it take you to go back to that spot and once you when Brian went out there, what kind of evidence did you find? And frankly, you can close it out by maybe even if you got any closure from going
back to that area and finding what you guys found. So I was actually relatively I was able to go back to that spot within like two to three weeks of my encounter. I didn't go driving around. I was, like I mentioned, I was driving around because I was grieving because of my friend
that died. But I didn't go to that area and I reavoided a lot of other areas that were similar to that until I went and visited it the location in the middle of the day when Brian and I. Brian and I started talking because he commented on one of my post on Instagram Brendon Hampshire Sasquatch page, and he was saying that he had an encounter close by to the
encounter that I was posting my page. Basically that was a couple of years ago, you know, set off a pretty great friendship between me and him, and that we're pretty close, and the fact that we trust each other when we go on hikes or if we go squatching, and that's the stuff we believe exactly what are saying. So he's the first person that I brought back to that encounter location and that I really felt like, hey, like
this guy knows me on a you know named the dating basis. He knows why I went through, he knows about like the fear that I faced with it. So we decided to go make a video of both of our encounter locations on my form my YouTube channel, and his YouTube channel. We ended up meeting up I believe it was in I think it was late March.
If I'm not mistaken, very bad times, I apologize, and we met up in ports Mission, Hampshire. Since my encounter location was closer, we ended up going to my encounter location first, So we drove about the thirty forty minutes that takes to get to BALI encounter location, and we had to park in a little pull off area down the road a bit and we walked up to where my encounter took place. He had his dog chewing with him.
He always has his go pro running, regardless of the fact when we're out in the woods, just in that, you know, slim chance of something happening. In that case, something did happen that day. As we walked up to the spot, I pointed out the location of my encounter, which was a dash on the tree that was from a cloud truck hitting the tree. As they're walking up on it, I'm scanning the ground and as Brian's dog is about to step in the track self, I spotted out and
I well, I surely don't get away. And I looked down on the ground and I'm picking the leaves off of it, and it's a full footprint impression that is in this hard packed dirt road. And we're looking out like they were like, dude, dude, that's a track. That thing has digits on it, it has toes and me and him are both freaking out. I'm not sure if you saw the video or not on his page.
I never uploaded it, but he um, you know, we're throwing off the F bomb left and right, all excited, and we're going like hey, like this is pointing in ile across the road. Go see if you can see anything over there. I was checking one part of the road which we found like little impressions in the back which weren't castable. It was just intrigues. But you can see the impressions where the saying walked up the hill in a way from that direction. We didn't get like a complete trackway from
the lower part of the hill like where the pond was. But on the other side of the road where the best track was casted, there's two impressions that are in this hard packed slope going up the side of the road, which happened to possibly have digits, which we called up Alex Petakov and we casted it out with his help. Actually Alex had to call up Cliff Barracknan
to get some help of casting it since it was on a slope. So, you know, we take out the cast and everything, and we're cleaning them off a little bit, and we'll behold that one of the cast actually had digits potentially from a sasquatch in them with the tracks, and we were trying to you know, recreate the tracks. We were trying to you know, step on the piece of well, you know, the slope that was
going up and we couldn't make a dent to net. And I'm a pretty big dude, I'm sixty three in the upper two hundreds, and I was only able to make my foot sink like maybe like a half inch if that, and I was stomping on it at the same time. I have a spacize fourteen foot This track was basically dwarfing my foot. I hate to say, and I don't want to say that it's a sasquatch without it's actually seeing the sasquash make the traps. But there's no one walking around the woods.
So that alone a dirt road making impressions that deep and compacted dirt and everything in the middle of nowhere barefoot, especially around like sixteen and a half inch tracks, that would basically be a basketball player out no nowhere walking around barefoot. And that's the mark. Yeah right here. Wow. So he was standing right you know ship that's where he was standing. That's crazy. I was just looking at that too. Come on, I had to be just
stepped right in the middle of it. Yep, that sounds the holy shit. Yeah. Luck, we got track, way, we got track all this wow hand across the road. Take a picture of that? Are you filming? I didn't put you on so wow? Dude, Yeah, I got I got a good Hey, I gotta I got an excellent camera in my truck, I mean in your in my backpack. I should have got my I should have dude, dude, dude, are you kidding me? You joking me? Do these broken branches gone through here? Do you want
to go? Do you want to take a little do you want to go in there? Dude? I don't know. Look my hairs a raised out. Rude, dude, what are the odds? Look at that? We need we need a callout? No way, Okay, we are We found tracks. We found tracks. We found frigging tracks, and we can see the toe impressions. Ship. This is crazy right where Evan had his encounter. There are tracks. We're gonna follow them. That's crazy. We're gonna cast them right now. And we found a track way awful possible track way.
You're r ass. That is crazy, h this is import Hey, dude, I'm a joking on the contract way. My concert clock? Is that Alex? Yeah? It is the Ruins. Yeah, I guess I can see toe impressions. I guess I'll just try it out. That thing was heavy? Is he coming? I'm looking dude, there's a lot of leak. But wow, I'm gonna go back a little bit. All right. I don't see any tracks down there. I just so much leave, you know. Yeah right there, I'm white market with a white market with
a water bottle. Yeah. Wow, you could hear Brian freaking on. Unreal on. I mean, I love that. We get the impression now, but this is great. Wow. Yeah, seventeen inches toe toe toe toe man, especially with the dystry in material. Is this gonna be a tricky in the cast. Yeah, that's what I thought. It's gonna run on a slope. Yeah, trying to figure out how to Uh, I mean I got probably, I got we got we got a lot of We've
got a lot of plaster. But I just I've never cast like on an upward Um he would you would you be okay with me trying to call Cliff barrickman. He's like really, you know, he's he's picked up calls in the past. We've gotten like potentially red stuff. Hey, Cliff, how's it going, man? This is Alex. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry to bother you, but we have a potential track find here in New Hampshire in a line, and we're just it's it's on a little bit of a
slope. So I'm just I've never cast on a slope like this, so I'm just kind of reaching out to see if there's any tips or anything you might be able to to lend us. Oh yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Um, it depends on the slope and the situation, of course, but I've I've cast on more than a forty five degree slope before. Okay, yeah, this is lasting forty five for sure. This is like the embankment of a of a side of a dirt road. Well you can
try to build a damn okay that works. Paper bags in the back, but yeah, we I mean we have we got paper bags, probably got some plastic stuff. I got a bunch of all of the stuff in the back in my car, so I'm sure we could probably make shift something. Make sure, yeah don't. Yeah, we we eat like twenty pounds probably when we walk out of there. Sure, sure, we've got a bag, a big bag of paris. And then he had what it was the
other watch it, watch you, we watch you. We So we got a dog and we're like, we're kind of near a state park and this is action an area where the guy who called me out here he's had a class A basically virtually almost in the same spot a number of years ago. And so you guys working, they got some tip tape, missus and everything.
Obviously, make sure we get everything squared away about recording details every photograph for people are going to hackle you absolutely minimum minimum photographs everything, either of you guys right, there's also three D scan thing have you that that's kind of a fun one might up yet, but from above left, right, turn back, Um maybe as order that's it has sure, But when it comes to finally cast one, um, well, you can't ask one the
one. Try to cast that multiple the same foot right, um, left right, people who take lesson right and that's great and you can do it. And you got another plaster you're right, a little plaster multiple in the same foot car being a differentiation and visu Yeah, we've got we've got three three to three ones that you can tell. There's an impression. One of them happens to be on flat ground and it's not as defined, but um yeah, I'll send you some pictures afterwards. It just like this area every
well what Unfortunately it's like a stage park. We've got cars driving through for two seconds and we're like right in the middle of the road but we're kind of getting out of the way here. But um, yeah, it's it's definitely interesting, definitely interesting with very little how good this ship is? All right? So again we've got our three casts here. We just walked through
the whole area. I mean, not a whole lot, but I think this would be a really good area to come in and actually focus on, maybe in in a couple of weeks here, do like some night investigating, do some investigations in this area. What do you guys think we'll get. We'll get Kerrick and the rest of the kard here. Like I said, very good, we're very promising. I mean it's again hard to say what it is, but I mean it's interesting. So yeah, there we go.
I don't remember if you said, Evan, but what how much time had elapse between you actually having your encounter and then you guys going out and finding the tracks? So that was last let's say I think it was about three four years. That passed by three to four years, and this track, one of the tracks was literally about five to six feet away where I
actually saw the Sasquatch standard years prior on Thanksgiving. So that's what drove you know, Alex and Brian and I too like think like, hey, like this could be like a regular route that they take, especially with the power lines being like less than like a quarter to like a half a mile down the road through the woods too. Especially you know, it could be a water like it's definitely a water source for them, since the pond is right
there, not even two hundred feet away. Not that you needed it, but did finding the track way and being able to cast some of those prints, did it give you a sense of validation? What was your feeling after you found that and you said, holy shit, this is five feet away from where I saw this thing. It definitely removed that part of disbelief that I still had for myself, even know like it was very slim. It was just a big time like wave of like confirmation, like, oh my
god, like this is tangible proof of like what I saw. This is not only proof for like myself, but this is like proof to go towards you know, everybody else that like, hey, this guy had an encounter there and a couple of years later, there's tracks in the same, like almost the same exact location, going back, like going from the pond where
I had my encounter. It took away all the doubt for me. But it also not only helped me in that case, but there was a couple other people that were within two miles of that exact spot that have also had encounters, one of which is an encounter that's on the bfr Row website mentioning a blue eyed sasquatch watching a kid while he was biking through the wood. Now, I'm not sure if that person has seen it. I haven't been
able to reach out to them. I know who it is now, but there's other people that like saw that and like, hey, like I have an encounter not too far from there. That's great that you saw that. There's a guy that was about two miles through the woods, two and a half miles through the woods that exact spot, that had a Class B encounter that the thing ran up to his house, smacked the side of the house
and he called the police department. Two towns showed up, and while the police officer one of them and he was out there with them, they could hear something clearly of two feet crunching through the ice. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea wing right back after these messages, something heavy crunching through the ice. Now this ice was you know, thick enough that a person can walk on it. And as you know, a loose walks on all
fours. That's closest to the biggest animal that would be able to possibly break that ice. But there's since it's walks on all fours, it's not going to have that bipedal stride of annoy that sounded it walking. So did finding that track away and being able to cast those prints? Did you continue to go out in the woods. Do you continue to go out in the woods
and try to have another encounter or are you good with that? And now it's more about sitting back and collecting the reports in sort of analyzing the data and helping other people share their stories. Oh no, I'm still I'm still active in the woods to this day. A matter of fact, I've gotten to the point that I'm leading expeditions in New Hampshire itself. I got seven
people coming out with me on Friday. It's coming Friday in an area that's close to where I had my encounter to take them squatching, to take you know, get them out in the woods to you know, face their fear. I've gotten over the fear aspect of going through the woods and that you know, if they were to get me, they would have already gotten me. And we've come pretty close. Another investigator in the state. We've had trees get pushed down around us, We've had wood knocks, we've heard whoops.
Alex has come out to the location as well. He thought that he possibly heard a whoop as well. But it's kind of if you have the respect for them and you're not harassing them, they won't really bother. Now. I've never had another like encounter, another class A encounter, but I've definitely heard things in the woods regarding Knox. I have a recording of a whoop that came from the border of New Hampshire and Maine. Obviously we have
the tracks. I'm still on the trail for them, and I'm even going like Brian, Alex and I and a couple other people, you know, we have plans in the future or going out around here, but I can't mention more than that or the state for Alex. Small town monsters. Well, let's talk a little bit about the wood knocks and maybe even the vocalizations and the whoops. Again. The episode that I just did recently with the hunter Dan, he had an encounter where he was hearing wood knocks and he
was out in an area where he and his dad had separated. They were hunting in different areas. He hears these strange knocks, and he's like, what the hell is that, you know, and he kind of keeps walking on and the louder they get, and the more that he hears, he starts going towards the wood knocks, and it ended up culminating and this thing stepping out from behind a tree and presenting itself to him, you know,
fifteen twenty yards away, And it was a pretty harrowing experience. And frankly, it was one of the most interesting and I don't know what the word I'm looking for, it was one of the most interesting encounter stories I have ever heard, not until I've just documented, but in general, just that I've ever heard. And one of the most interesting parts of it was the
wood knocking. And you know, most people, I won't say most, a lot of people in the Bigfoot community or have had experiences or investigators will say wood knocks are usually some sort of communication. A lot of people say it's a warning, Hey I'm here, we're here, stay away for humans, right, And that's what I've always heard, and that's kind of what I've always imagined what was going on. Yet, when Dan tells his story, he believes that the wood knocks were being used to lure him in for
a possible ambush. That's what he felt. He felt like this thing was luring him in, and he really got pissed off at himself after the incident, and he was able to sort of decompress and said, I can't believe you did that. You know better than that this thing was luring you in. And he believes that he got close enough to see or he got close enough to it to see, Hey, this thing's got a weapon. It's
probably not a good idea. So the final really loud knock was to say, hey, get the hell out of here, and that didn't work. He kept coming forward. So this thing presented itself. So I said all that to say, what is your opinion? And again it's subjective. I'm not saying you're an expert. I'm not asking you to make anything up here, But what is your experience when you're documenting these stories and maybe even hearing the things yourself about the wood Knox. What do you think they mean and
what do you think they're they're doing them for? So, in my opinion, from what I've noticed in that case, I think the sasquatch probably thought that, you know, either a wasn't aware of him being in the area, and it could have been potentially trying to communicate with another sasquatch in an
area. That's more or less what I've drawn as a hypothesis for me with that situation with the wood Knox. When I go to one of my research areas that we call mousecamp up here in the in New Hampshire, we will either be one coming into the area itself and will occasionally hear a possible wood knock, or we will be leaving and will hear a wood knock. In
particular when we're leaving, it's sometimes two or three. So I think it's more of hey, like someone's entering our area or our territory, avoid this
area or be cautious. But we have gotten, you know, to the point that we've been poking around an area, and we've had trees pushed down probably from like a quarter mile to a half mile away, and you can hear like the popping, the cracking of it being pushed down on a windless night might be but I definitely think what they do to make noises like the wood knots if it even is you know, using a piece of wood, be a bone, whatever, or if they're doing it themselves, I definitely
think it's territorial to a point, or just to communicate with other sasquatches without you know, doing a whoop or a vocalization such as it's like ohio, howel and wood, not to draw attention to them that it's not out of the question of a tree branch, you know, hitting something well, you know when it's a knock because of how powerful and the sheer force of it
just hitting a tree or whatever it is. So let's talk a little bit about some of the accounts that you've been able to document in and around that area. I think you said you had something around the like one hundred and twenty or so. Can you talk about some of those that have really stuck out to you, Maybe some of the class A sidings and encounters with these things and talk about what happened during those and maybe give us some sense of
what people are seeing as far as a physical description in that area. Yeah, absolutely so. There's one that was located on a mountain and dad knock that happened. I believe it was a summer in twenty thirteen. This individual is hiking down a trail after a sunset hiker or in the evening, down the White Arrow Trail it's called, and he thought that he heard an animal being put down somewhere in the woods, and he thought it was a poacher
at the time put him down his kill. From what the guy told me, he wasn't very well versed with like animal calls and that stuff and stuff in a while, so he assumed that it was a human doing something. So he calls out, there's a person over here to alert the possible entry or slash poacher. And he said that put him in an uneasy state of mind, and he kept his knife out while he was going down the trail.
A little bit further down the trail, he actually you had put his light on, and he stopped to have a drink of water, and he as he was looking around, he saw a little bit of eyeshine, and he walked up to the eyeshine a little bit closer, and it was of a deer that was on a small cliff of sorts. The deer was a fresh kill. It wasn't bloated, but he observed that the neck was broken and what he thought to be some of the legs to be snapped off.
And he approached it more and with his knife drawn from what he said, and he said that over the cliff was the face of a I believe, he said, a gorilla, and it was showing its teeth to him, almost like clearing its teeth, and he described its teeth as blocky. And then it reached over, grabbed the deer and dragged it back down, and he slowly backed off, he said, and he ran down a wrestling trail
back to his vehicle. That one has stuck out to me quite a bit in terms of it's reported you know around the country of you know, deer with their legs being snapped off and finding like deer hook hooves that are like almost twisted off in a way in a way to dismantle these animals, the potentially sasquash kill. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting story, and it sounds like it would be a pretty terrifying situation to run up on something like that.
What else are other people seeing out there? A lot? You know, it's a pretty um universal situation that it's mostly the people are you know, being stocked, or they're coming upon these creatures when they least expect it, when they're unaware, because I believe that these creatures either a only show themselves when they're being you know, caught off guard, or they're driving people out of their territory, but they're not going out of their way to you
know, harm the person. I don't think I've ever received every port of a sasquatch trying to kill or harm an individual for that matter. I've had I believe, two or three reports regarding a sasquatch killing a dog, but that's really all that I can think of for the aggressive portions of it. Otherwise it's you know, they will see the sasquatch, and the sasquatch will be unaware, and the you will just run off into the woods. But a lot of a lot of tree structures are being found as for you know,
blast sea sort of things. A lot of structures that people can't you know, explain that aren't like the little you know, TP structures that survival or like the lead twos that survival classes teach out in the woods, people are finding trees that are ripped out of the ground, tipped upside down with the root ball in the air, which I found the wood earlier this year, and me and you're not having a person, you know, come out
in the middle of nowhere rip a tree all the ground that weighs probably two or three times what they weigh or more, lits it up and just stick it into the ground. Yeah, those kind of things have always been interesting to me. You know. Again, like you said, the TP structures and things like that that are in areas that are accessible to other people could possibly be as you said, people teach bushcraft and those kind of things are
common in those kind of classes and things like that. But to your point, when it's a tree that's turned upside down and stuck in with the root ball up, I've seen pictures of those before. It's just really really strange, And I don't know what else would be doing that. I don't, frankly, I don't know why sasquats would do that other than it's some sort
of a territorial thing or whatever. I'm always curious about. Like in your example, when you were talking about your sighting, you mentioned I wrote down the note of no conical head. This thing had more of a rounder type
head. And I honestly I used to be sort of skeptical of that stuff when I would hear all these stories and people would describe you know, everybody has that Patty image in their brain here, at least I do when it comes to sasquatch normally, because that's sort of the thing that we draw on is what we know, right, But when people have sightings and they talk about what the head looked like or and it sort of deviates from that classic
shape of Patty looking back in that whatever that frame was in the PG film. But I want to talk a little bit about that because I've said it before about people I won't mention the name about people I think are hoaxing and the different types of sasquatch that they're presenting on video and things like that, And I'm like, Okay, this isn't like a two to three square mile area. How could there be this sort of diversity amongst these creatures? Hey?
Because I don't think there's as many of them out there as people sometimes purport to be. And then you've got five or six different, extremely different looking types of these things. But the more that I've talked about it with people, and the more I've done some research, it sort of makes sense that they don't all look the same. In my mind, it almost adds more credence to somebody's story when they describe something other than a patty type of
creature. So what are you seeing as far as physical descriptions? Is it like the guy that you mentioned with a deer, he described what looked like a gorilla. Yours certainly didn't seem to look like a gorilla. Are you hearing these other types? And can you talk a little bit about what you mentioned with the blue eyed sasquatch. I'm very interested in that. Were the eyes that these people were seeing and describing. Was it a blue glow like
they were luminescent, or was it just eyeshine or what? Can you talk a little bit about that as well. Yeah, So in regards to the eyeshine, so that encounter actually took place during the day, and it was actually the kid got close enough to the sasquatch very a day. But the sasquatches the color the sasquatches eyes itself were blue. It wasn't like a blue eyeshine, which I found very interesting because most of the time when I hear
of sasquatch reports during the day, it's the eyes. If they do see them, they're mostly saying like, oh, they were dark or they were black. As for the appearance of sasquatch in that matter, I do believe that there are regional variants and a lot of certain traits that might match other habitats where they're found. For example, down in Florida with the skunk gape,
they're a little bit shorter. They you know, typically are more like of a orangutang in that matter, which I would think would do better in a tropical environment. And sometimes when I hear with the skunk gape reports in sasquatch in that area, they have thinner hair, which would match you know, the hotterer weather that they have down there, versus the one that I
saw. For example, it had picker hair, but not to the point that it was almost like burr in a way I could see like individual strands, but it is definitely enough hair on the Sasquatch itself to have some insulation,
which is much needed up here. We get negative tempertures during the you know, winter time or at least you know, in the teams for most of the winter, which would make a lot of sense depending on you know, if it does move up and down the Appalachian Trail to you know, go to warmer climates, which it has been reported that a lot of reports are on the at But I do think that it has to do a lot with inbreeding and the you know, possibly them developing certain characteristics to match and
thrive in the environment that they are in. But for example, with mine, I did see the garitalia of the sasasquestion. I saw it was definitely a male, but like the hair like was grown like grown over in a way that was almost like a loincloth because the extremities, you know, probably shouldn't been cold in that weather. Same with the hands and like the fingers there was hair on that. With that situation, maybe down south the thinner
hair keeps some cooler versus up northern hare. Yeah, it certainly makes sense, and that's one of the other things that's always fascinated me about the subject is you know, people have talked about I've had primatologist on the show.
I've had biologist on the show, and we've talked a little bit about if you take a highland gorilla or lowland gorilla and you drop them in the Northwest where it gets down in the teens or sometimes even colder, they're not going to survive there, right And exactly so you talk, you know, Bergman's rule comes to mind, and the ratio between the body surface weight and warm blooded animals, you know, closer to the equator and this that or the
other. If you just applied Bergman's rule in the United States, what you're saying certainly makes sense to me. But the thing that sort of sticks out for me and a lot of skeptical people say the same thing that don't believe there's a giant bipedal ape black creature walking around in North America, is how
do they survive in those areas? And I think you sort of to your point made some good comparisons with the hair and the things that they're able to adapt and maybe that's, you know, why they have those certain characteristics that people describe, and that's why I think it's so important for people to come forward and tell their stories because it does sort of lend some credibility to Okay, I saw this thing and there was snow on the ground and it was
twelve degrees outside and it was doing just fine. Right. But yeah, people describing the yetty, for example, in really cold temperatures, high elevations, and these things seem to be able to adapt to that. And to your point, I think it's probably the fact that they've adapted over years, and I think it's really a fascinating part of the story. The blue eyes,
for example, I've never heard anybody describe that. I can recall blue eyes on one of these creatures because, like you said, most of the time it's dark eyes, or it's even amber colored eyes or something like that, so it's a really or at night for example, like I've never heard
of blue eyeshine. It's either green, yellow or like the brick honoring red in a way that or red for that matter, those are the only colors I ever hear and non scale topic real quick, but especially with like different areas Sasquatch, I mean looking at Sasquash over in the Northwest there, they seem to be a lot bigger to the ones that we have over in the northeast and in the southeast. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch o the sea moving
right back after the east messages. A little bit of a theory that I have look at the fauna that they have over in you know, the Northwest, and like the animals and that's stuff, they're typically a lot larger. You got more bears out there for the most part, especially up in Alaska. You have grizzly bears. In the very northern regions, you have polar
bears that you have caribou, elk. I mean, we have mouse over here, but a lot of the animals and prey items that we have over here are like the white tailed deer, and up here we don't have like elk, you know, bison for that matter, we don't have anything like that in the Northeast. And I've noticed how a lot of the sasquatch reports say that they are smaller in size and stature. They're not these big,
hulking masses you might see over in the Northwest. They're more like Patty and Patty was even you know, Patty is known to be a female and a smaller size sasquatch at that I'm seeing a lot more things like that over here
in the Northeast and the South East itself. It's definitely fascinating, and I think that the more stories we can document where we have different types of these things being seen, I think we put all of that data together and it sort of paints a picture and allows us to sort of make comparisons from around
the country. And again, like you said, it would make sense that obviously prey animals are going to factor into the size of these things, and they've got to adapt to what's around them and what they can eat and the temperatures. Obviously, I think all of that sort of goes into the bigger picture of what we're talking about when it comes to sasquatch research. Let's talk a little bit about the group that you formed. Let's talk about some of
your research. You mentioned expeditions. Let's talk about the group. What people can expect to find when they go to the group and where can they find it. And you mentioned a YouTube channel as well. Let's talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so, admittedly, right now I've been focusing more on like field work, and you know, my career in general, more than my pages and all that sort of stuff, my YouTube and all that. I am planning on focusing on that a bit more, especially this
year. But I I've gotten a little bit of a group going on right now. As I said with an Ancio Sasquatch, I have a couple of really good people that are around here, people that want to learn more about the topic. And I'm on an expert by any means, but I will take them out in the field so they can get their own idea of you know, sasquatch self, because I no one's an expert in this field. I don't want to be the person that's saying like, oh I know this
and that this is wrong. There's no body that it's been no researched by anybody yet, There's nothing that's concrete and certain. There's only observations that we have. So my goal is to get more and more people in the field itself, especially in the northeast Andy Hampshire, because the only people that are around this area is squatch choosets, but that's Western mass The more people that we have with boots on the ground, the more that we're going to find,
the more that we're going to understand and learn about these creatures. If we don't have people going out in the field, we're not going to understand
that. There's too many people that are sitting at home, you know, that don't want to get their shoes dirty, don't want to get their hands dirty for that matter, and just want to come up with opinions on their own just by watching a couple of videos or no offense to any of the listeners, but listen to a podcast and develop opinions and facts about it their
own truths and facts just by listening and not experiencing it to themselves. So Brian Garvey and I we're going to be focusing more on the YouTube this year, going to follow ups, you know, recording interviews with people. We're actually making a podcast of our own called The Wood Devil Podcasts, paying homage to New Hampshire's own variation of sasquash located up in Coos County the Canadian border, called the Wood Devil, which is a different Sasquatch variation all its own.
But we were really going to focus on bringing some light to the Northeast, bringing some you know, ideas out into the public eye and getting some you know, people on there that have some pretty good ideas frankly, and some pretty good theories and putting those to the test, testing out experiments, theories, all that, and we just want to make it into a tangible reality for people. So this has come up several times on the show recently,
and I've sort of wrestled with this myself. I guess ultimately, let's close out by just saying what the ultimate goal for you is? Is it discovery for somebody like you who has seen one of these things face to face, the foot castings and the foot track the trackway that you guys found sort of laid aside all the doubt that you even had for yourself after your siding.
So is the ultimate goal for you to take people out let them have those experiences, And is it ultimately discovery for you or is it just the knowledge that these things exist and learning more about them. So I don't think at least, you know, I think we might be the generation or there's
going to be possibly the discovery in our lifetimes. I had to have my own ideas, you know, conservation would be a big thing, especially the timber industry of Sasquatch are catalog as a species but I don't think that there is going to be that sort of discovery at least for a couple of years or a couple of decades. So right now, I want to have people get out in the field, you know, get their own ideas on the matter, you know, have it shown to them like, hey, there
is something out here. We shouldn't be sitting there judging other people for that matter, especially up or in the Northeast, and kind of normalize a topic because the more people that we have that don't see it as a taboo, as a plausible concept and topic, the more people and more information that we're going to have. I guess that's more or less. More or less is
my goal. To get the people out in the woods, you know, stop looking at their phones, get their hands dirty, to get their own evidence, own theories, and own ideas, and if we happen to get to the point that of discovery, it happens. And I think that's a great goal to have in mind. For sure. Let's talk a little bit
about that before we close out. You mentioned it a couple of times, and I sort of think I may know the answer because the subject in general, although it's a lot more mainstream nowadays than it was maybe ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. Certainly, the taboo that's surrounds Sasquatch in general, why do you think it's so permeates the zeitgeist in the culture in that particular
area where you guys are at in New Hampshire. Do you think that's an anomaly from the rest of the Pacific Northwest or do you think it's an anomaly for the rest of North America Or is there something deep rooted in that area that you're aware of that maybe makes it such a taboo subject for everybody to talk about. So a lot of that I think stems from you still have a lot of the Native people up in the north West, You have a lot of their culture, a lot of you know, their ideas and all
that sort of stuff. And to them, South squatsh was just another, you know, just another race in a way how we may see you know, other races besides you know, being white, African, Asian, you know, Native, anything like that. That's how they saw it. So that normalization was is stronger over there. Over here, it's a lot of people that don't get out in the woods, a lot of people that want don't want to accept beliefs other than their own, specifically with the older generations.
And when you take that and you create that disliking and you take away the ideas of what it is possible, people aren't going to share, you know, something that's different from the norm. A lot of people up here like to keep to themselves, and for the most part, they tend to think similarly too, you know the other person that in that case, I believe that we just need to get you know, more people out just to change that and kind of get back that. Okay, it's just like another
race of humans or another species just to live alongside us. We have we have bears, we have animals that fly around us, birds, all that sorp of stuff. What's so different from something that is in the realm of near human I mean, we have great apes jackiancl Picker gets Blackie. For that matter, it's in the fossil record, and that is very similar to what a lot of people are seeing a sasquatch. You have the proto humans that are coming out of Indonesia and those areas the fossil records. You have
so many things that are similar to it. But since it was framed as a monster or a supernatural for that matter. People are just going to say, oh, that's horseshit and just throwing out the window before they can get their foods dirty, go out in the woods and experience something themselves. The opinion is already formed, and I want to attempt to get people to challenge
their view and their take on reality. Very well, said Man. Well, Evan, I really appreciate you coming on the show, sharing your experiences, sharing your stories, and sharing your opinions on things. I really do appreciate it. I've had a blast talking to you. Man, stay with me. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. They say you don't gotta go home, but your just day. I don't want to be well. Try this, try and chime everything, calling bay Nay my
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