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Sasquatch Odyssey Fans group on Facebook. But that's enough housekeeping. I know you guys are here for the Encounter store, so I'm gonna stop talking. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I folks want to welcome my guests to the show. It is Ash from Oklahoma. Welcome to the show man. Hey, thanks Brian Great be here. Absolutely, So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Let's start with what got you interested in the subject to begin with? Was it
something that was always on your radar? Did it happen after you had some sort of experience, you know, like everybody else. You know, I saw all the stuff back in the day with you know, winterd Nimoy and the Boggy Creek instant off, and for me, I just never really gave it much credence untill about ten years ago my my uncle said, hey, man, I got some I got some pictures I want to show you from
the place. And this is my family owns like four sections that this road goes in between, and did it ends at and it's right on Boggy itself. So it's a kind of apropos And I'd never. You know, everything that it ever weird that I'd seen there was all you know, UFO alien stuff, not Bigfoot at all. I said, all right, man, yeah, show him to me. And he had very clear trail cam pictures of like what else it could possibly be? I don't know what everybody describes
as Bigfoot. Where'd you get him? And he told me that he had you know, E P. Hunts always has, he's a superb outdoorsman, And he said, you know, I was. I was finding these gear that were literally ripped apart, not skinned, but like like something held onto the front legs and ripped the head and spine completely off down the body of it and just like left the quarter there but all the guts and stuff wire going. And I was like, that's completely freaking weird. What does that?
And he's like, I don't know. So I put out all these trail cams to try to see what was roaming around down there, and there were these pictures of big Foot and shafts of light coming straight down out of the sky with nothing attached to him, just like you could see the top of the shaft of light column of light into the ground. You would see deer looking at the shafts of light, like, where where is that coming from? And I was like, I have I have no idea, Man,
I have no idea. Do you have any idea? Why he chose that moment in time to share those with you? Did he think that? I think, I think because at that well, I'm a scientist. I'm you know, I'm trained. I've always been a science nerd since I was a little kid, super precocious. He's like my favorite uncle and I have
a great relationship. You know, we're both bets. We talk about the wars and you can't really talk to other people who don't have any background in it, and so he and I've just always been really close and he knows that I'm really open minded about things that you know, I'm not dogmatic about science. I look it backed and data and follow it where it goes. You don't have a preconceived notion of what you're you know, unless you're cherry
picking your data, you don't get to decide where it's going. And I think that was at that point he had pretty much just been like, this is what this is. I need somebody else to look at this and tell me if I'm crazy, and drawing the right conclusions. And so because by that point he had seen them, He and my aunt both had seen them outside eyeshine outside their windows at night. They have a patio that's like off there. It's kind of on the hill over the river bottom. You know,
it's on stilts, off the side of the house. So they're up off the ground twelve fifteen feet seeing eyeshine that's like level with the bottom of the deck various height. Individuals like four, probably two adults and two juveniles at that point. Had heard them calling back and forth to each other across the river valley, you know, having animals come up missing, just all that kind of fun stuff like this is weird. What do you think this
is? And I'm like, man, I can't reach a different conclusion than you. That is that's the only thing I can think that is so other than the light that you described already, can you sort of describe for me in the audience what types of pictures you were seeing. What were you seeing in the pictures, the physical description of what was in the photos. Oh, okay, so yeah, there would be you would see in one of
them there were three deer kind of standing there eating. Next picture one of them has heard something behind it and has turned to see what it is, and you can see eyeshine in the background kind of in the tree line that
you can't tell what it is yet. And then in the next picture that deer is looking like it's about to run, and there is a large, probably judging from the tree branches in that spot, about seven and a half foot tall, bipedal, hairy creature that probably is pushing every bit of seven hundred and fifty eight hundred pounds approaching the deer that are their mind in their
own business up to that point anyway. And then there were other ones where there were daylight shots of a tree line with bushes, something standing kind of hanging out halfway between a tree, where you could see its left shoulder and arm and hip and leg and part of its head, not the crown of its head, like part of its face. You could tell that it kind of had a peaked skull, but how dramatic, you know, you could
tell that it wasn't rounded like ours. And there have been oh, probably three or four other ones that are really close to the camera, so you can't really tell what it is, but you can tell that it's a hairy, dark colored shoulder with an arm. Things like that that are partial picks, but you can see muscle definition in the arm where you're like, that's not some guy in a costume. In fact, I know a guy who lives probably five miles from my parents, who tried to make a big foot
costume, and he is a very large individual. Everybody he tried to spoof could totally tell it was a guy in a costume. Didn't floy anybody, and he's big enough to play the part. So yeah, anybody who's capable of making things like that should be in Hollywood making millions of dollars, because there's yeah to say, there's not a large pool of individuals in these you're
in Oklahoma who can do that. Yeah, And it seems to be the common thread because every time I've ever seen any type of a video, whether it's supposed to be somebody trying to hoax something or just saying I don't know what this is, or whatever the case may be, if it's a person in a costume, almost without fail. And I'm not a trained bigfoot anything. I'm a trained observer from my years in law enforcement, obviously, But immediately your brain automatically goes to that is a dude in a suit? It
just eats right, or just something sticks out. It isn't quite right. There's something off about it, you know, touched ending videos. You know, you just know, right, But when you have those moments where you have that the Patterson Gimblin film comes to mind. You know it could be, it couldn't be, but it just doesn't look like a suit. So I guess the other question I wanted to sort of paint the picture for the audience. I know you said they've got several tracks of land, family land.
Where was this in relation to everything else? Was this a really remote area? Was it just on the cusp before the house is? Can you sort of give us a description of where this might be as far as with
a trail camp pictures were coming from. So where that house is, the houses that sit on it, there's maybe in that four sections, there's about eight houses they set on about one hundred and sixty acres each, the ones on that side of the road because it cuts in and then when it gets to the corner of the section, it cuts down and dead ends at my great uncle's place. All of those houses on that side set up on the
hill dropping down into the river bottom. So the trail cameras that he set are probably the closest one is probably two three hundred yards from the house. But in relation to these other houses, I mean, they're all like a quarter of a mile apart. Where this is in relation to the nearest town is it's out there. Man. You left a paved road like twelve miles ago, and that paved road was just a cut through between a highway and
a county road that's miles away. Like it's not going anywhere, it's just a cut through for people in that back part of the county that lived down there in between the mountains and the river. That's how they get places. You know, there's not really a highway. There's like three major highways in the county. Like this, there's so few people in this county's one of the biggest counties in the state. It didn't have a second phone prefix until
about fifteen years ago. There's very few people there, so it's kind of it's kind of biffy like it's if you look on a dark skymap the United States, like it's it's one of the darkest places in the country. Got you, so you get to see this trail cam pictures of this creature and you're uncle's telling you about his and his aunt's encounters. Did they have other
encounters or was it just the eyeshine and things that they were seeing? With these things messing around the house, they my aunt said that she would be in the kitchen, and God help her, she wants no one to know that they're there. She wants them left alone to the extent that they're representative in the state legislature introduced a bill to put a bounty on Bigfoot for hunting purposes in Oklahoma, and they immediately destroyed all the physical evidence they had collected
so that no one can ever ever figure out where it is. But she's been feeding them for years all of the you know, she's a Southern woman. She cooks like crazy, makes way more food than anyone needs. She just takes all the rest of it outside and sticks it by the fence, so they when they can smell her cooking, they're standing outside the window, just from the trees. My uncle told me the other day that he had had gotten a bunch of chickens, and because he had a bunch of rabbits,
they all disappeared out of cages that were locked with latches. You know, something opened them, didn't terrible apart opened the cages, took the rabbits. They're gone. So he got a bunch of chickens and he let the roosters run around at night and they would roost in a tree. That's right, I mean, it's right out by the driveway. All these roosters just gone. Didn't hear any clucking, didn't find a single feather. There was
one small bannom rooster that was left. And he said that thing was terrified, hiding under a shed that would not come out for the longest time, and when it did, it ran right into the hencoop. Wouldn't come out. So you know, if it's a cat and there's there's mountain lions and bobcats down there, you could say, well it was a cat. But if you've ever seen where a cat took a turkey, there's feathers everywhere. So like how something got five leghorn roosters without leaving a feather off of a
tree other than something that can just walk up on him. And I don't I don't know, I don't know what it is. When he told me it's probably been three or four years ago. It flooded real bad, and when the river gets all the way up, it will come all the way up to the fence on their yard. There's a pond right across it. It's on the side of the hill dropping down into this meadow where there's usually
cows. And it was probably two o'clock in the morning, and it had finally stopped raining and storming, and he heard one yell out across the valley and then said, about fifteen minutes later, he said, he laid there waiting to hear if another one called back, and he never did hear anything, but about fifteen minutes later he heard bipedal slopped like in this water at that fence line is probably two and a half three feet deep, like you
would hear someone stomping through a mud puddle, is what it sounded like, coming all the way down that fence line and up the hill. So, I mean, my legs aren't long enough to do that, and I'm six feet tall. I don't know anybody who's tall enough to do that, and I know some seven foot guys that like, I don't know, I don't know. It's crazy yeah, I always get concerned when and I certainly get you know, these things are on the property. Your aunt's reaction is,
I don't want anybody hurting them. I don't want anybody knowing about them. I certainly get that, But I really get concerned when I hear people are
feeding them. And I've had several people on the show, and I've talked to people off the air that have sort of the symbiotic relationship where they're taking these things food, and people I've talked to in the past, I think Dave comes to mind from early on, way back when the show first started, was feeding these things, and then they get pissed off when the feeding stops, right, Yeah, and they start, Yeah, they start taking
animals. They were taking you know, like twin any thirty pounds of dog food at a time out of his dog food containers outside for his dog. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. And it gets to be this expensive venture and it can also be a little bit dangerous. So you had this conversation with your uncle. You got to see these photos. They're sharing their encounter stories. What was the conversation like between you and them? Were you
telling them some of these things? I mean, where did the conversation go, Yeah, she got this information. She said, this was before your podcast had even started. And I said, you know, it's probably not a good idea to feed something that's a wild animal, because if these things are what you think they are, we don't know anything about their behavior. And she, you know, she's all sweet church lady, and she's all, well there, you haven't hurt anybody yet, and they're just so nice
and they're never scary or anything like that. I'm like, did you see what happened to the deer down there? They got ripped to pieces. Like anything that's strong enough to do that doesn't need you to beat it. Stay tuned for more sasquat ch otos will be right back after these messages. Two, you've feeding it is going to keep it around when it probably shouldn't be.
Like, you know, you're supposed to take down hummingbird feeders when it gets cold, so they'll leave and go where they're supposed to go and don't suffer in winter. If they stick around and say, you guys go on vacation. What's to say that thing's not going to tear your house apart to get food out of it. Well, that's not that hasn't happened, and I don't think they do that. Well, you can think that all you
want to, but that sounds like a gamble to me. So did they ever give you any indication that maybe some of the other folks in the area were having activity or do you think it's just isolated to their property or do they know of some of the other neighbors that they might have shared information with that had the same thing going on. Well, a lot of the people in the area, there's you know, that county's got five or six families
that are all relatively related to each other. A woman ten miles down the river is my uncle's first cousin. I guess she's my third cousin or something. She saw one when she was out back hanging up her laundry several years ago, and it scared her so bad she had a heart attack that take her to the hospital. The other day, when I was talking to him, he told me that because I had asked him, you know who else up and down through here seeing these things, because they're not staying there a
year round, like they're moving. And he said that there were three or four people talking at his church the Sunday before about seeing stuff. And one of the guys that I grew up with, his son bought a piece of land on the other side of the river from him. Oh, it's probably two miles from there, and his oldest son was out squirrel hunting and saw one straight up and broad daylight that yelled at him. Scared him so bad he won't go back in the woods at him. So it's not just them,
there's other people seeing them. And I really hate to hear that they destroyed the trail cam evidence. Again sort of, I sort of get where you're coming from, but it just my heart sinks when I hear that, because I talked to people like Cliff Brackman recently and I had Niko on and I was talking about some of the trail cam stuff that they've seen that it's just phenomenal footage, videos and pictures of these things that will never be seen.
And it just tears me up because I think there is a lot of that. I've said it on the show plenty of times. I think there's a lot of people out there that have things that we will never be privy to, that could almost overnight again, you know, videos and pictures are always going to be subjective obviously, and consider to be anecdotal evidence, even
though it's a physical thing that can be analyzed. But we're still talking about the Patterson Gimblin film since sixty seven, right, and some people say it's really some people don't. But I think if we had more of you know, people coming forward, and even if it's anonymously at least allowing some of that stuff to be seen, I think we would be a little bit further, in my opinion, down the road with people accepting, including me,
because I'm still very skeptical. I haven't seen one of these things, right, right, And if I see some compelling video and audio and have compelling interviews with eyewitness people who have actually seen these things, it does take you a little bit further down the road. Do you think they would ever be willing to maybe put up trail cams again and maybe anonymously share some of the photos that they get, or do you think that's just a road they're not.
I don't know. I asked him about that the other day because I was, like you, when he told me that, my heart just sank, because you know, when I approach this subject just as a little nerd kid trying to figure it out. I was like, well, you know,
if there's something, there's got to be evidence. But the older I've gotten and the more you hear things like this, and you know, you got judges and lawyers and cops and state troopers seeing these things, forestry workers, you know, National Park Service seeing these things on a regular basis. It's just a matter of time before it's going to be a recognized species. In all of this lost data is going to matter. It's setting the science
back probably thirty or forty years. You know, if there wasn't the stigma, I mean, I'm on it here with my face obscured, crying out louder. If it weren't for the stigma, I think a lot of people would be perfectly willing to come forward. But then you've got ones like them who just want them to be left alone. You know, they think they've they've been there for tens of thousands of years, minding their own business. Everything's fine, they don't need anything from us. Just leave them alone.
Everybody can forget about them and they'll be better off. But at the same time, if a large predatory species loses its habitat because it's not protected, that's going to create long term fallout that diminishes the species, perhaps be on the point of return. So those things matter, I think, And I mean, I don't know that I convinced him otherwise the other day when I
talked to him, But I don't know that it's a closed book. I think if it were just him, I think I think my aunt is more down that road than he is. But you know, they probably got a good twenty years left on him, So I don't know that that's going to change. They might, and if if they were, if they were a recognized species and people were leaving them alone, maybe she'd change your mind about it. But I don't know. Well, I certainly get that they don't
want, you know, the big Foot researchers. They don't want Expedition big Foot rolling up with a camera crewel and their property to do investigations and things like that. But I think there is a way, you know, to maybe convince them to allow some trailcam pictures to be released or video to be
released. It in a way, if it's explained properly, like similar to what you just said, maybe they would understand that it is a way in my opinion that you could help preserve these things down the road, because we don't know anything about if they exist at all. We don't know anything about how many of them there are, what the habitat is, if they are migrating, if they're sticking to one or two mile or maybe even a ten mile radius, or whatever the case may be, and those kind of things
are important. They could they could be one of the most single handedly they could change what we know about these things because if they're catching the same ones year after year on trailcams, for example, moving through a certain bottom or certain areas, there's all kinds of data that can be extrapolated from just a few trailcam pictures on their property. So you know, I get it. It's their property, it's you know, it's their lie if it's their sasquatches
in a way, So I certainly get it. But I wish I could just have a conversation with them and say, look, you know, there's so much that can be gleaned from what you guys have, because if they're having those experiences, and I certainly believe you and I believe that they are, it could go a long way in helping us understand what we're dealing with, but you know, it is what it is. I get that people are private people, and you know I'm the same way about my property.
You know, I wouldn't want a bunch of people out and doing things, and you know I do some of that stuff on my own. And I've wrestled with the fact if people have asked me all the time, if you see one of these things on your property, are you going to tell anybody? I don't know. You know, I don't there's some stigma. There's some stigma with being the Bigfoot podcast guy who eventually catches one on video, or catches one on a trail cam, or sees one in the flesh.
You know, I've said it recently. I would probably me, being the person that I am, I'm going to come out and tell people whatever my experience is, because that's kind of the business I'm in and I'm not a
hypocrite. So I would have eventually do that. But I would certainly make some phone calls, and I would have some conversations with people, and I would certainly have my ducks in a row before I ever came out and presented anything as definitive evidence that I've seen one or captured one on camera, so I certainly understand it. You mentioned it earlier, and I don't know if there's any more sasquatch stuff we need to cover before we get there, and
if there is, certainly do that. But you mentioned your email, and you mentioned you alluded to earlier in the beginning of the interview, that's not the only strange thing that's going on out there. So would you mind going into some of the other things that you've experienced yourself personally and tell us a little bit about that. No, not at all. Yeah, because, like I said, this aspect of what the weird stuff that's gone on there
was relatively new. I lived there, my family's own differ generations. My parents piece was right next to where this is going on, even further up the hill. When I wasn't quite five but almost five. My dad worked away from home. His company was on the other side of the state, and he would be off working during the week, you know, on Friday nights, my brother and I got to stay up until he got home. And that house is really large. It was you know, my grandparents,
they had five kids who were you know, spread out. It was massive, but we only used like the front half of it, and my brother and I, because we were so small, we shared room, and it was on the corner of the house, so we had big bay windows on one wall above one bed, and big bay windows on the other wall over the other bed, and we, you know, just being kids, we
would mess around. My mom was out watching Johnny Carson, and we're back there in the bedroom, and the beds were kind of catty corner to each other where they're like the edges of the bed made a square in the corner of the room, and we would just bounce back and forth between them and pass each other in the air like crazy kids. Were lucky we didn't kill ourselves. You know. They were big folk framed beds and bay windows right
there. If we ever did anything wrong, we'd probably cut ourselves to ribbons or can cussed ourselves severely, but that never happened. But we were doing that and I saw a shadow as I was bouncing through the air, I saw a shadow of someone hunched over, creeping along the side of the house. And I snagged my brother, pulled him down, and I whispered to him that our uncle was gonna try to scare us because he used to do pranks on us all the time. I mean he lived, he lived right
over there, and he was always messing with us. So I said, we're gonna we're gonna jump up and we're gonna scare it. And he said, okay, this will be fun. And when we came back to the other side, instead of dropping down, we popped up in the window and wow, and it was my uncle. It was probably five two five three olive gray, reptilian looking creature that had three fingers in a thumb. It didn't have what you would call like a pinky, that was a noticeably shorter
finger. It had black teeth. Its ears were kind of closer to its head than ours, more integrated. I would say it had vertical pupil slits, and I say it had flat teeth, because when we jumped up to Scarret, we did totally surprised. Its mouth literally fell open and it went ah. But it wasn't human by any stretch of the imagination. It scared us out of our minds. We screamed and dropped down and my brother said
what do we do? And I said, you hide, and I jumped back up, and at that point it was already running towards the front porch from the window. It wasn't even trying to sneak anymore. It was just straight up running. And I ran down the hall into the living room, where my mom was sitting completely catatonic on a couch, staring directly ahead at the TV, just like she was frozen. The TV was nothing but static,
and I'm yelling at her that there's a demon outside. No response at all, because we're little kids, like the notion of UFOs and aliens and stuff didn't even register, you know, We're just kids raised in the church. So I locked the front door because you know, out there, nobody even to this day, most people don't lock their doors much less, you know, in nineteen eighty is anybody locking a door, especially if you expect people to be there. So I can hear it at that point it's running
up the steps. I can hear it when I locked the door, and since she's not responding, I just cut tracks to the back of the house because I'm thinking, oh, there's other doors, like the garage doors unlocked.
There's the back door that's a big sliding glass thing with a deck out back that you know comes into this big family room back there, and so I go to run to lock those, and there's already two starting on the grass, coming towards the steps, and one is already probably one foot on the bottom step, and one on the second coming up that, and so I just you know, that's sliding glass doors used to have that bar, you know, that would go down and lock it for being able to be
open. And I hit that about the same time the thing was making the top of the deck. It was visibly angry at that fact, and was banging on the glass with its hands. It didn't if it was I mean, it was probably as physically strong as a small child, because it wasn't unless it was just you know, just trying to be distracting or whatever. It wasn't hitting it hard enough to break the glass. So but then it stopped and just kind of got this smirt on its face, stopped looking angry
and looked amused. And I heard the garage door handle start to turn, which is like right across this room, and so I just bolted straight for it. It started to open when I was probably five or six feet away from it, which at that age is you know a couple of steps.
So I just dropped my shoulder and slammed full on into it and threw the bolt on it right as it closed, and I heard whatever was opening the door bounce off the hood of my mom's car, because there's there were steps up from the garage into that part of the house, and I heard it making audible when it hit. You know, I'm freaked completely out at this point. I am. It's a good thing it happened when I was that
young, because my heart would probably explode if that happened now. I never had an adrenaline spike like that, even in combat conditions like that is hands down the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life. Jumping out airplanes, not even close, because it's it's so like at this point, and I was I was a very precocious child. I read encyclopedias for fun when I was like three years old. This did not register as something that was supposed
to exist in reality on this planet at all. Every authoritative source said, no, no, no, that doesn't exist. That's not real. It's totally that's fake. Even even the concept of demons was like, well, that's that's religious, quasi scientifical thing over here. That's nobody that that's old stuff that doesn't even happen any point, but there you are in it, and it's pretty scary. And I could I could hear that one kind of getting off of the car, but I could hear another one already running on
the floor of the garage. So I don't know if it was there were those two in the back, and the one that had run up on the front porch might have been the one of the two that was in the garage, so I can't say that there were more than four. But yeah, it was freaking crazy. And I'm just like, I don't even know what I'm gonna do at this point, but I feel like I have the place to hear and I can hear my dad's work truck, which is this, you know, one ton flat bed welder on the back truck that you can
hear coming. You know, it's diesel. You can hear that thing coming out there from two miles away. I hear it coming down the road, and I'm like, Yay, we're gonna be safe. And because he was a he was in Vietnam, he's a pretty scary guy, so you know, being a little kid, I'm like Superman's coming. Everything's gonna be all right, and I can I can hear them start to run out of the garage, and I can hear the ones running off the deck in the back. So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go back out there.
And when I go into the living room, it's still staticky. My mom's starting to snap out of whatever catatonic state she's in. Johnny Carson then comes back on right as my dad's truck is pulling into the driveway. And that was the only time that I've experienced anything scary like that. But I don't
know. I was probably fourteen or fifteen, and I noticed that at the right side base of my skull, probably an inch blow at the base of my skull and two inches off of center light of my spine, there is a distinct lump that is there that change his size depending upon how much stress I'm under. And most of my families in the medical field, and you know, I was supposed to be a surgeon myself before I decided I didn't want to do that lifestyle of dealing with insurance companies and all that fun.
But I asked my mom about it, and she she literally said maybe the aliens put it there, And I said, ah, you're you're not funny. Seriously, what is that? She goes, I'm not joking. Maybe the aliens put it there, so obviously I had to be like, well, why would you say that? And she told me a story about how when she was pregnant with me, she and her cousin and my aunt had gone to watch a movie in town and when they were coming back, they
noticed that there was a light following them at tree height. When they'd slow down, they'd slow down, when they'd speed up, it's been up. And again, this is out in the middle of nowhere. This is not on a flight path of any planes anywhere. This thing wasn't making any sound.
It scared the crap out of them. So they got to this straight away before you make the turndown of the family's road, and they started hauling butt and it just got closer and closer to them, and that was the last thing they remembered until turns out two or three hours later they're on the road in the truck going home, and everybody's been out looking for them, wanting to know where they had gone missing to, which, you know, how do you not find a vehicle that's right there, like where did they
go? Not a clue, not a clue. So apparently that has been going on for quite some time. Day two for more sasquatch out to sea wall right back after these messages. And I've seen other craft up close three or four different times. And it's always with someone else. It's not just when I'm with myself and I see something. There's always another person there. So I can't even write it off as I saw something and thought it was
one thing and I just tired and playing tricks on myself or whatever. In fact, this still goes on. The other day, the space station flew over, went outside to watch it. Wife came out to watch it.
It had passed down to where it was that point. It was out over by Alabama, by the Gulf coast, and coming from the path that it was on, there was a smaller light coming back the opposite direction, and it just zigzagged in flashes of motion so fast it just looked like it like it was coming this way, stopped with around the moon, stopped again, started on a completely different path that took it right over the top of us, and then it stopped right after it got north of us and made this
really bright flash and was just gone, no idea what that thing was? None. Well, I was like, what what in the world was that? Like, I have no idea. If we've got that, we're not talking about it. I don't even know why we would have that, she said. She said, I feel like it was almost talking to us because it stopped right over us and did that flash, And I'm like, I don't know what else to say. I don't know what that is. Yeah.
So like another time, this was a couple of years ago, my brother and I were up by the un To Basin in camping in January in the mountains like crazy people, and we had cook dinner and eaton We're sitting outside of the tent buff fire, and this place is kind of in a if you come into the Colorado side off of the Winter Basin, there's a there's like a range of mountains that runs north and south, and where the Green River Valley is, there's mountains that run on either side of it,
So you're kind of in this box canyon that runs. You know, it's got eleven thousand foot mountains all the way around it except to the east, and those that runs for about fifty miles and then you're by steamboat Colorado, and there's rapid ears fourteen thousand feet high up there, so you can hear planes coming before you can even see them. And this light because and it's if you've seen these things, the lights on them are not like anything we've
got. The closest thing we've got now are LEDs. But these things are like some kind of I don't even know how they do it. It's almost like an ionized piece of air, almost like an arc from a welding torch, almost has that same vibrancy to it. But it's you know, these things were like the size of a baseball, and it you know, visually, at that distance it's coming up over the mountain, there's one. It's not making any sound. My brother's like, what is that, man?
Right, I don't know, not a helicopter, not a not a plane. It's not moving fast enough to be a plane. And then as it started and I mean it's coming from south to north, it got to where there was probably ten seconds of arc, and then another one came right behind it, another fifteen seconds of arc or so, another one right behind that.
There were as many as four of them that you could see at one time, and when they got directly above us, that one in the front would just wink out of existence, and then and then they would just keep coming like a train. That the front one just disappeared right in front of us. And my brother's freaking out. He'd never seen anything like that. He's my baby brother. He's like ten years younger than us. He was not even a thought on the radar when that other stuff happened. And he's
like, what is that? Man? Like, what do you think it is? He's like, I don't know what it is? What is that? Like? Well, I don't know what to tell you other than we don't really have anything like that. You know, I had security clearances. I ran a radar unit. We don't have stuff like that. Maybe we got some since I was in I don't know. And he's like, no, dude, what, no, seriously, what is that? What your guess as good as mine, man, I don't know what that is.
He's like, does not even make it sound like Nope, it's not so brother, How do those lights even I've never seen lights like that, like me either, I don't know what those are. Like, we're off with close to Skinwalker Ranch though, so you know, all kinds of weird stuff happens out there. Maybe it's some of that stuff I don't know, but some crazy crap like that I see probably every two years, four years over the course of my life. It's crazy, like they follow me around or
something. I don't I don't like it. I don't like it at all, because since that first event, I have no memory of where that thing in my net came from. I had that for twenty years, never moved, never changed. I woke up one night feeling like I had been just beaten and drugged through the ringer and had another one on the other side. And for three days after that I had vertigo, was throwing up constantly,
couldn't stand up, was all kinds of messed up. And I you know, I'm the guy you can put on the worst roller coaster in the world. I'm like, yay, this is so fun. I read Vertigo my life. Then I woke up had a third one that was maybe an inch down to the left from the new one. God's fine, felt like a hundred bucks, not a problem in the world. Didn't feel like I'd ever
been sick. There was no like recovery time. It was literally I was throwing up my toe nails and dizzy, worse than I've ever been, as drunk as I've ever been in my life, to being asleep for three hours and waking up feeling like I had company, got another thing in my neck, and I'm fine. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. I don't know any other way to put it. Just crazy. And that was that was the
impetus for me getting in touch with you in the first place. Because when my uncle called me the other day he told me that he just asked me about because very I've not told this to anybody outside the family other than my significant others, and like two of my closest friends on the planet, like people who have actively saved my life, know about this. I had told my uncle about it years ago, and he that was the first thing he asked me. What he called me was, hey, tell me what those
aliens you saw up there? It looked like? And so I told him and I said why, and he said, well, had this lump in my finger that was kind of bothering me. So I got the messing with it and I cut it out. It was this little whitish disc that was about half the size of a penny. Tried cutting it, tried burning it, couldn't even do anything to it. It's like somebody trying to take a dull knife to cow's eyeball or something. Couldn't even touch it. So I
flushed it. I said, it came out of your finger, right, And he said, yeah, somebody stuck something in my finger while I was asleep. That was not there before. Where I've never had a problem in my life. And I just want to know what the ones you saw look like, so I can tell or not if they come back, if it's the same one still messing around him, which you know. That for me was like, holy crap. Maybe maybe the stuff was going on before I was born. Stuff's going on. I was a little kid, and now
it's going on. He told me. I said, have you ever seen anything like that ever? And he said the only time he'd ever seen anything that other than the bigfoot stuff, the only thing he'd ever seen was when
he came back from Vietnam. He worked on oil rigs out in the golf and he told me that one time they were all out there pulling pipe and this light just came up off out of the gulf, out of the water, covered probably three hundred feet away from the rig, had all kinds of crazy lights going around it, and then it just took off faster than they could imagine anything moving. He's like, I've seen I've seen tracers coming out of an M sixty a whole bunch of times. This thing was way faster
than that. Other than that seen anything. So it kind of like, I don't know. I guess I just wanted to get it on the record in case things go completely sideways down there. Who knows, Like, you know, you start hearing stories about Bigfoot and UFOs in the same place at the same time, and who knows what's going on. I don't know.
Well, I want to go back to the original incident with the aliens that we're trying to get in the house, because that's a really interesting event because if these things were in fact extraterrestrials, let's say, their behavior seems odd to me. Have you had time to go back and reflect and say, Okay, what the hell? Because I've I've had people tell me they've been abducted, and these things will transport through walls, they will materialize through walls.
They will pull people through walls like it's nothing. Yet, Yeah, these things were exhibiting animalistic and even human type behaviors of trying to get in. Have you had time to sort of rehash that in your brain and apply your scientific brain to it. And I know it's subjective obviously, because you have no way you're knowing, ay what they were and be what they were doing. But have you had time to go back and look at that and
say, this is what I think was going on during that incident. Yeah, I've I've thought about this a lot, and I've gone so far as to research, you know, all of the types of aliens that people describe seeing. I have never found any that looked like those. There's something that have a you know, they're reptilian looking that they did not look like these things looked. So I have to I have to assume that different races of
aliens are kind of like us. They're different levels of technological advancement. Some of them can probably go right through walls. They've probably got the tech to do that. It's not you know, most most matter is ninety nine percent space. It's not when you when you feel this desk you're not feeling a debt esk. You're feeling the electrons and the surface of those atoms resisting you pushing your hand through it. Well, if you can disrupt the weak nuclear
force, you could pass right through anything you wanted to. You've got that tech. We don't have that tech. But you know, we've been you know, we've stepped out of the dark ages basically five hundred years ago, you know, and look what we've done in that amount of time. Give us another ten thousand years, we may be able to do all kinds of crazy stuff that. You know, someone once said, if something is scientifically
advanced enough, the difference between it and magic is imperceptible. You know, if I take up if I took this bone back one hundred years, people would freaking lose their minds. Like, there's more computing power in this than we used to send people to the moon thirty forty years ago. Fifty years ago, I guess now. So really, what I think, honestly is they were coming to carry on whatever kind of thing they're doing with my family.
You know, these things tend to travel down familial lines for whatever reason, genetic experimentation or population study or whatever. They're doing. That's kind of what it seems like. And the fact that I have no conscious memory of any of the implants that are in me makes me think that, Okay, well, if you think you're just walking in on some kids and they actually put up a fight, and the next time you come seeing you just knock everybody out all of the day, what you're gonna do and then go on
your way. Other than that, I don't I don't have a more rational explanation for it, Like literally, for up until probably it's probably twenty five years my brother and I when we talked about it between ourselves, we just referred to it as the Night the Demons game because we didn't have a frame or reference for it. You know. It wasn't until later we're like, you know, anything that's not from here, it is pretty much by definition
an extraterrestrial. I didn't see their ship, but I've been all over that property. I didn't see a hole in the ground they crawled up out of, either, So I have to assume they got there somehow, and it wasn't in a big diesel truck. Because I didn't hear him leaving, I didn't hear him coming, and I didn't hear him leaving. Have you had any follow up conversations with your mom about the missing time she experienced when she was pregnant with you? Does she have any theories on does she think she
was abducted? Do you think she was abducted? Have you guys talked about that at all since she shared that with you? Yeah, we talked about it because, like I told you, I had told my ex wife about this, and you know, she was understandably very skeptical because if someone like I am, straight up for myself, got to see it to believe it. Like I said, I thought Bigfoot was crap until my uncle showing me
pictures of things that I can't say that's anything else other than Bigfoot. So when she called my brother right after him, was like, all right, tell me what happened this time, and he told her a story that's exactly like mine. The next time we were at my parents we were talking about it, and my mom said, I don't even remember that. I just remember that time they followed us and we lost that time, and so we
were like, what do you think happened? This thing's fallen, y'all, and then you have no memory for hours, and you basically disappeared off the face of the earth for that time when people are trying to find you and they can't find you, and you come to like two miles down the road from where you last remember being what do you think happened here in that time? And she was like, I don't even want to think about it now, what do I think happened? One think something happened. They had to
go somewhere. We were talking about a spot where there's like you can cover all the area they could possibly be in with members of the immediate family, much less my cousin's family two in fifteen to twenty minutes, and they didn't find them. And yet they show back up right there where everyone who went to look for them would have had to have passed them. They weren't off on a side road. They're literally on the road that goes to their house.
So they went somewhere without their knowledge or memory. That's all I can think. I can't come up with anything else more rational than that, Like I could say, well, maybe you know, Jude, you drive into a time dilation spot and you just happen to pop out the other side, and you don't remember it. Because there's physics in there and that's different,
and you don't chemically and code memories right when you're in there. Okay, no, that's less likely than some aliens snatching you for a minute to check you out. I don't know. My grandma used to say, the aliens must have brought you because you're way too smart to be from this family. Grandma, you're not very funny, and she's like, I'm not trying to be funny. So apparently there's been some awareness that weird crap has gone on around for a long time. They just don't hardly ever talk about it.
And most of most of them are gone now, you know, like half of my mom's generation's gone now, so you can't even go back and ask them. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, that whole familial line thing has always interested me when it comes to the alien abductions, the implants and just seeing craft and things like that. It's hard for me to wrap my brain around why that is.
But there has to be some sort of connection that we'll probably never know. I guess at the end of this, before we close out, I guess the question for me is, you are a scientist. You have a very scientific approach to just about everything in your life, not just your job, but just in general. How have you been able to rationalize that in your scientific brain that first the Bigfoot thing and now the alien thing and the UFOs
and the implants. How do you rationalize that in your brain to allow you just to move forward and get through your everyday life knowing that these things are out there, but yet we haven't proven it with science yet. But how
do you rationalize that just for yourself on a daily basis? I think what's always gotten me past that is not just the awareness that what we know in science is more or less an approximation of what we can repeatedly do in a laboratory setting over and over again, or what we can observe in nature freely, over and over again. Like you know, just the other day, we're finding galaxies that formed three hundred years after the Big Bank. How we
don't know? Clearly there are some holes in our theories, And if you're dealing with particularly intelligent beings, some that are clearly if they're traveling the stars, they're clearly more advanced than we are. It's like an ant trying to study the scientist who's studying it. You're not the ant's not getting jack out of that. He's just going back and being like, this guy snatched me up and put me on a thing and did some things to me, and
I don't even know what he was doing. And they're all like, yeah, whatever, you're crazy. It's like a fish getting caught out of it of a school of fish that gets thrown back by the fishermanners catching release. He's like, man, you would not believe what happened to me. Today. All the other fish think he's crazy. You know, we have throughout history repeated so many things. When the library at Alexandria burned down, we
probably lost ten thousand years of human history. We don't know what we don't know, and what we do know is that half of what we know today is going to eventually be proven wrong. It might not be entirely wrong, but there's going to be tweaks that have to be done. Like Einstein's theory relativity. It took him thirty years to get that right. You know, it was a long time coming for the smartest guy anybody can remember being around
to figure something out that he came up with himself. Now when he got that right, every time we've tested it, it's come back true. But that's just relativity. What that says about our ability to travel amongst the stars and warp space? You know, Einstein Rosenbridge wormholes are totally a thing. Einstein himself came up with him. So for somebody to say that we can't, that can't be because how can you travel the stars us don't understand physics
very well? Did very true, man, And that's what keeps me coming back is the questions. You know, at the end of every interview I start often I have more questions than answers, but it drives me on to continue to talk to more people and have other people come on and share their experiences. And I really appreciate you coming on, man, and share what's happened to you and your family, and I think it's very fascinating and very
interesting stuff. At the end of the day, I leave with more questions than answers, but I think it's important for you to share your experiences because other people are going to hear this and they're maybe going to come forward and share their experiences. And I think every time we gather that data and put that together, we all learn more collectively about what's going on to probably a lot more people than what comes forward and talks about it. So I really
appreciate you coming on. I've had a blast talking to you, man. I appreciate you having me it's it's a lot of people have said it. It's cathartic. Really, you know, you kind of walking around with it on you your whole life, and once you'll let it out there, you know it's it's it's not as hard to say the next time. I guess is really how it goes. And you give all of us out here an
opportunity to unburden ourselves of these things that we've walked around with. And I think that honestly helps tons of people who are out there who've experienced things like that, and I feel like they're alone until they come across something like your show, and that I feel like you do a great service to humanity. I appreciate the all love of that. Well. I definitely appreciate it. Man. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
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