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Hey, Welcome to coffee Time here on Untold Radio Network Monday morning. I hope everybody had a great Easter weekend. We did here, beautiful weather here. Finally, all the snow that we've been buried under for five months straight is finally decided to melt, and we've got attempts for in the mid sixties. Today it is supposed to hit in low seventies, and tomorrow might even be in the mid to upper seventies, which is unseasonably warm for the Dakotas
and Minnesota. But definitely looking forward to it. Thanks everybody for showing up. By all those I see in chat, we've got him pop and on from YouTube and from our Facebook feed. Welcome to the show this morning. I thought it'd be fun. Every week I usually get one of the hosts from the Untold Radio Network to join me and kind of gone through most of them. I haven't had doctor Rush Jones on yet from Wide Open Research.
I did have his co host Brad on Great show with Brad, but Russ, you know, he's still a doctor who practices throughout the week, and the availability gets a little bit tough there. You know, we've we've kind of almost made our way always through the deal. I think we're going to have Alex on next week or the week after. Doug Hi checks on Alex who co hosts the Untold Radio flagship show, and that'll be fun. But this morning I wanted to circle back and bring back Brian King Sharp. How
are you doing, Brian? I'm good, Jeff, how are you? Man? I'm hanging in there. How was your Easter weekend? Oh my god, it was amazing. I did a lot of work, but we had beautiful weather. It sounded like we had very similar to weather to what you guys had out there. So I'm ready for some sunshine, man. Yeah, I was. You know, we were in the mid sixties, but I was wearing shorts and a T shirt all day. I mean it felt almost tropical compared to what it has for so long here. Yeah.
Actually, they when they said that it might be in the mid to upper seventies a row. I might just take the whole day and just sit outside in and adder on that chair out on the deck. To be honest with you, it sounds like a good time to me soak up some sunshine. But yeah, no, it was. It was a great easter weekend. And you know, unfortunately that's not the case everywhere. I know that there's
been some weather issues. I was watching a little bit of The Masters over the weekend on TV, and I've seen they had to close for a few hours when a they say that storm damage caused a couple of huge trees to fall over one of the fairways. And I was watching. Did you happen to see that video? I did not. I went back and watch that. I'll be honest with maybe maybe it's different there, but you know, here, I know what wind looks like out here in the Upper Midwest when
it is windy as windy. But these two pine trees that fell over are about they appear to be about seventy to eighty foot tall, and they're about as round as your chest, you know, I mean, they're good size, right, And as I'm watching the video of it, I can see that the flag on the green is out, so there must be some ground level breeze. But when you look at the tops of those trees that are all around these trees, nothing really seems to be moving. I mean,
it didn't look windy for these two huge trees to just fall over. And it's really odd to me, but the around here, you get enough wind to blow a tree like that over, you're probably your hat ain't staying on your head. I mean, it gets windy like that. Now, I'll have to check out the video. I haven't seen it. That was interesting. I'm not saying anything weird was going on. It just it's odd that, I know, when you get within a forest of trees that simply a
couple of trees they're standing eight ten foot taller than the rest. Can take a lot of that, and it doesn't appear that there's a lot of wind on the ground could just make those trees top heavy enough to tip. But it was interesting. I don't think they've ever had anything like that happened at the Masses before, but just kind of an example of some of the really weird weather we've been having throughout the country and different different areas of the country,
tornadoes showing up earlier than they normally do in the spring. I mean, it's not odd to have a tornado in April rather than May and June. But boy, they were showing up a couple of weeks ago and huge numbers and doing a lot of damage. I mean a lot of times when you have tornadoes they stay kind of in rural areas, clipped the edge of a town whatever. Boy, it seems like last you bout to them that you've seen on the news have just absolutely been destroying established areas, so pretty
devastating. What do you guys normally get in your area for bad bad weather? I mean, is it do you see a lot of it in the spring or I mean, we have storms typically, But the thing here in the area where we live in just across the road from us is a floodplain, so they have lots of flooding. I mean, we have soccer fields, you know, a few miles away from the house, and they're completely into water at times if we get two or three days of like torrential downpours.
But we've never had any issues here on the property. Think goodness, we have elevation changes and everything sort of flows into the two creeks on the property, and we fortunately knock on Wood, have not had too big of an issue, but we get a lot of wind. We had a ton of wind over the last week or so, but not a ton of stuff. Somebody's asking where we're at. We're in North Carolina, in the foothills of North Carolina, in the Lenore area up near Boone and Appalachian State.
If you're familiar with that area. Yep, yeah, Well, you know, that's another interesting thing about all of our hosts on the Untold Radio Network is kind of the geographic representation that we have, myself Doug Hichecker in the Minnesota area. We've got doctor Dean Bertram who's over in Wisconsin not too far away from us. But then we've got you know, Jim Myers with Sasquatch I'll post over in Colorado. We've got some representation up in the Northwest.
And you know, so many of our viewers that we've gotten to know real well in the chats on YouTube and Facebook, you kind of get to know where they're from too, and they share the weather and the experiences that they're having, and it's just it makes you realize if you talk about a storm anywhere in this country right now, there's usually a few people on chat who are in that area and experiencing it. It's pretty interesting to have that kind
of live interaction and hear that kind of feedback from people. So I was going to pull up a couple of things that I had ran across in the news. Well, I'll tell you what, Usually when I look at some of the new seeds I look at, it's a pretty good mix between the typical stuff you're seeing on the networks. You know, the Ukraine and you know, different things like that, and then usually there's a lot of intriguing
stuff science, whether you know cultural news. It isn't all politics. And one of those articles I ran across was talking about the Lowland gorilla and its population number. I guess the reason why I found this article so interested.
It's very short, but the reason why I found it so interesting is I felt like anybody who's going to involve themselves in an interest in trying to further the documentation of the existence of sasquatch and it's going to be taking parts in these conversations that we find ourselves having in what that would look like and how
do we get there. It's helpful to understand different species and how they've dealt with population challenges and things like that, especially when you start talking about large primates. So let me share this and pull it up. She probably had that ready to go, but let's see here. I say good morning to Darryl and the chat. What's up man? Had a great show with Darryll. I see Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. What's up man, Uncle Bones?
How are y'all doing. I don't like to miss people, but appreciate you guys being here, joining your conversation of the irregulars, Grasshopper, Texas Jack Former everything. It's nice to see the lot of our people showing up over and over all. Right, so let's pull this up here. This would be hard to zoom in, but I'm just gonna read you what this says. Says the Western Lowland gorillas, the most numerous and widespread of gorilla subspecies.
Populations can be found in Cameroon, Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Equatorial Guinea. Now, the exact number of Western Lowland gorillas is not known, but I did some research on this and the latest kind of agreeable number that mostly scientists have that are really well funded and studying these gorillas is three hundred round three hundred and sixteen thousand, which kind of blew me away. I'm thinking, that's a lot. That seems like a
lot as any species goes that's breeding and healthy. Maybe that doesn't. That's not a big number, but you know, for something like we're tom I'm thinking, God, that seems like a lot. And I really started thinking about how easy it is is it to see these things, Like if you go out into these areas, is it normal to see them? Or do they avoid humans? Or do you walk through the jungle and never even know
they were there? You know, that sort of thing. But one of the things I learned from the article is it says significant populations of these creatures still exist, including in isolated swamps and the remote swampy forests of the Republic of Congo. Western lowland gorillas can be distinguished from other gorilla subspecies. They're a little bit smaller, their brown gray coats in auburn chess. They also have wider skulls and more pronounced brow lines and smaller ears. Large numbers have
not been protected. Now that's an important part of this have not been protected with this species protecting them from decline because of poaching and disease. The three and sixteen thousand number that they're putting on these is sixty percent lower than what it was twenty to twenty five years ago. If you're going to tell me that there used to be seven hundred thousand of these simply just a couple of decades ago, you realize how fragile that population and ecosystem can be when it's
not protected. And it kind of made me start thinking a little bit about, you know, if we are successful in proving to science and the rest of the world that there is a species of sasquatch that exists, what kind of protection would need to be in place to keep them from following these same trends, you know, because it doesn't seem like amihistory tends to repeat itself,
especially in the animal kingdom, you know. But you know, I only bring all this up because I think it is an important part of the population, and the more that we understand about what's happened to other species and how they've been affected by certain things, it's a little bit easier to have us a conversation about what would this look like, what would we need to
do? But yeah, you know, you even when you hear people talk about the possible populations, how many Sasquats do you think there are in North America? I don't know what that answer is. I think if I was to put a number on it, it would be significantly less than three hundred and sixteen thousand. But yet you see the population on these guerrillas and how
that's declined sixty percent in the last twenty to twenty five years. It makes you realize whatever number we're putting on it now could have been twice that or more when Patterson Gimlin, let's say, caught the film at Bluff Creak. You know, I mean, there's so many things that change in our cycling that we don't really take a lot of that into account, you know,
But what are your thoughts on it? I mean, when you've obviously have had to have been part of conversations hearing people talk about what their guesses are on them a population size of sasquatch and the things that would need to be done if they were discovered to kind of protect them and help them. Have
any thing notable that you've heard people talking about. Yeah, it's been a conversation recently on the show with a couple of different people over on Sasquatch Odyssey with Pat Spain who is a wildlife biologist, and I just had Niko from he works at the North American Bigfoot Center with Cliff and Melissa Barackman, but he's also part of the fossil team and he does paleontology, and that was one of the things that came up on the show with both of them,
was and other people have even talked about the conversation around conservation, and you know, Grasshopper was saying in the chat, you know, I believe Bigfoot does fine without us getting involved, honestly, and I think it would be the same thing with you talking about the Lowland Guerrillas, right, They talked about two factors that reduce their population considerably, which was disease and poaching, which means we got involved, right, not necessarily on the disease part of
it, but the poaching is certainly done by people, and I think it's very similar with Bigfoot. I think the population, in my opinion, is way lower than three hundred thousand of these things across the country. Here in
just North America. I think they're doing fine without us, right, because the conversation always comes up, well, what do you do if they're recognized by science and they say, yes, this is a real species, and we know that there's one right here in this little speck of dutort in Idaho, for example, Well, how do you know it's going to be there next week? Like, where do you start casting the net then and saying,
Okay, we're going to set aside these areas. You know, it's a little bit different in areas where, you know, maybe in Cameroon where these guerrillas are at. When you're talking about across the United States, how do you start setting up areas and cordinging them off for bigfoot? You really
can't do that. So outside of maybe passing laws and saying it's illegal to kill one of these things, I think it really stops there as far as our involvement and just leaving them the hell alone, because they're doing just fine. If they're out there now, they're doing fine without us, in my opinion, Stay tuned for more sasquatch Outysea. We'll be right back after these
messages. Yeah, you know, I it's you got to be really careful in understanding that we're talking about something that we're probably related to a little bit more closely than elk and moos and bears and things like that, you know, and if they have a complex way of thinking and whatnot, it makes you realize there is an open discussion on possibly even like, you know, what type of rights would they have to be able to enjoy and the respect
that's given to them as a species. Every other big game animal is really regulated by you know, control by harvest in order to keep population levels healthy. However, you know, we don't have those conversations with gorillas because their numbers are so small. We need to try to get the numbers back up. I don't believe that. I do believe that Grass is absolutely right.
These things are doing fine on their own, and probably the you could have the argument that the best thing we could do for them is not proved that they exist if they do, you know, because what comes after that. Hell, as human beings, we have a hard time regulating ourselves, to be honest with you, I mean, you see the division there is in what's right for humans, what's you know? And I don't know how if humans are really equipped to have an educated discussion on what would be best for
something that we don't really understand. Do you understand what it's like to live twenty four hours a day in the wilderness your whole life? The way that we've had these discussions on my show before, you know, the time that I spend teaching my kid to drive or teaching you know, helping my kid with calculus or whatever. All they do is teach their kids how to be elusive and remain unseen. And that that's every moment they spend is dedicated to
the culture of remaining elusive and surviving. And yet we're watching football games and you know, we don't focus on that hardly at all, and so would we even be able to have a conversation on what would be best for them? You know, I don't have a lot of faith in that, to be honest with you. And you look at how so many other things are affected. You know, when we look at trying to protect something, how
different industries are affected by that. You know, forestry industries, natural gas industry, all kinds of industries are affected by every small, little decision that's made to try to help or protect something. And so the impact that these decisions have are quite quite expound, really, so I think it only strengthens the argument they're doing fine on their own without us getting involved. But yeah, that's my thought, man. I think every action has an equal and
opposite reaction. For everything you protect, something is going to fall by the wayside or something else is going to be affected by that. I think the best thing we can do sometimes is nothing at all when it comes to human beings. Just my two cents. Well, one of the one of the other interesting articles I ran across who had to do I was at kind of
it's funny how the timing of certain things to happen. I was at my eye doctors the other day and it was talking to my eye doctor about different eye colors and whatnot, and he says, you know, there's an interesting article on that he was telling me about, and I couldn't find it. And then now here, just a couple of weeks later, I find an article on this that just seemed kind of interesting, and that's that every blue
eyed person on the planet is the descendant of one single person. Pretty interesting articles. Has ever wondered why your eyes are the color they are? Well, wander no more. Every blue eyed person is a descendant from a single European who lived around six thousand and ten thousand years ago. According to scientists, how did they work it out? Originally, all humans had brown eyes
in various shades until there was a specific mutation that made the change. The mutation is called is a gene called h RC two, and it switches off OCA two, the gene that determines how much brown pigment we make. So that's why eyes became blue. As for being descended from the same person, the evidence for this is because every blue eyed person alive today has the same
exact mutation. Scientists I reckon only eight to ten percent of the population have blue eyes, and eyes don't fully develop in childhood, meaning the brown pigment can kick in later, causing blue eyed children to end up with brown eyes in adulthood. And we've seen that happen an awful lot. If you have blue eyes, now you know your family is a lot bigger than you might have thought previously. Now, one important thing to consider here is when they
call brown eyes. If you ask them what your eye color, most people who say their eyes are green, they're actually brown eyes. They might have a hazel or an olive color to it. It's a different shade of brown. But the amount percentagewise of people in the world that actually have what scientists determine to be green eyes is only two to three percent. So if you've got green eyes, you're really in a small crowd. And those are true,
true green eyes. Most of the people obviously have brown eyes or some variation depending on the amount of pigment that that mutation kicks in to determine how brown your eyes are. But for eight out of ten people, there's enough brown pigment in your eyes that you're considered to be brown eyed. But no, I thought that was interesting because I didn't realize technically everybody with blue eyes
is a descendant of one single person who developed this mutation. You've never heard that I have green eyes, so I'm in a smaller minority than than even yeah folks, but yeah, you know, I used to describe mines as green. They're they're kind of a hazily green, you know. But I would think science would pisa I have brown eyes just because there is they aren't true that aqua green color you know that you tend to see in people who
have green eyes, or that emerald green color. Remember when I was in a lot younger, I had emerald green contacts and I lost one and I had some clear disposable contacts, So I, as a joke one time, wore just one green contact and I would would go out to the bar that night or something with friends and people would be talking to me and they'd go, holy smokes, do you know that you have one green eye? And
I'd always act surprised. I'd be like, what I do? You know, Like I've lived my whole life and never noticed this, you know, but yeah, you know, so you have green green eyes. Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell ot camera, but there they are green. The small club, the small club, and be curiously if anybody else, Sandra Piper says she has green eyes. I'm wondering how many people in chat have green eyes? That's it's because it's interesting. But how about you?
Have you seen anything in the news that's caught your eye lately that seems intriguing or something you didn't know before. I tend to stay away from the news quite honestly. I'm immersed in doing the shows and the research for the shows. But I've had a couple of interesting things come up on just in discussion recently on the shows that you know, maybe we can get into and one
of the things that's happened over there. And I'm sure you've dealt with this, Jeff, because you've had people on that you've interviewed that I've had encounters. But a lot of the time when we have these folks on that are sharing their encounters, you get those people that some of their stuff is out there, right, it's a little bit more in depth, that's a little
bit more fantastical. And I always get those comments that come through about people's mental health, right, And I think that's something that frankly, I haven't really talked a lot about on the show, but it's something that I definitely want to start getting into because I've had a couple of interviews over the last couple of months that people have reached out to me and sent me messages and
said, you know, I'm not so sure about that person. They seem like, you know, and one guy, even in particular, one listener, reached out to me, I think it was on Instagram and sent me a message and he was like, look, dude, you were a cop for sixteen years. You know when somebody's crazy or not right, and I'm like, yeah, you know, can I go out on a call and go face to face with somebody on a nine one one call and say they might have some mental health issues on board? Sure? Obviously I know what
mental health issues look like. I know how some of those manifest But when you're talking to somebody about an anecdotal experience that they had maybe twenty years ago, it's a little bit more difficult to do. And I don't have a PhD. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, and I don't bring people on my show to diagnose any mental health issue. But I think it's a conversation. Have you had that come up on your
show? If you had people on that you maybe afterwards, maybe in retrospect, or maybe they didn't make it on the show, did you think this person might have some mental health issues on board? Yeah? I have, you know. I mean a lot of it for me is not so much on the show. It's more just listening to people share their encounters. And I'm the type of guy that I don't care if it's something that I tend to believe in or not if you want to. If you told me today
I've got a dog man encounter, I want to share with you. I've got a u a phone encounter. I'm cracking a beer and sliding up to the edge of my seat, and I'm ready because I love to hear people. Sure, So, one thing I try to be cognitive of is that while there's a couple of things, one, just because it hasn't happened to me doesn't mean that it may not have happened to them. I have to approach things with at least a little bit of an open mind like that.
The other is that even if I don't believe that this happened, that does not mean that they don't believe this happened to them. There are a lot of things in life that can lead someone to be under the perception that something happened to them that may not have. But another interesting thing that you may find some interest in is I watch a lot of videos from a couple of different sources in the law enforcement background. One of them is Code Bluecam.
I get all their videos daily. It's chef cam and dash mountcam footage of all these stops throughout the state of Wisconsin. How I patrol sheriff's departments. And it's interesting on how these law enforcement professionals deal with people because they can't make that assumption either, although they have to analyze what's going on here. Right. They'll stop somebody and it's like, well, they seem like they're
under the influence of something, but yet they don't smell alcohol. They'll give somebody the first step of a field sobriety test, and they seem to have coordination, and yet the way they're communicating it just doesn't make sense. They're trying to factor what's going on here, right, because this person doesn't seem like they're safe to drive at this point, or the way they're comprehending things. Is this because they're under the influence of something else? Or is this
a mental glitch they're having. Is it a temporary one, is it a diagnosed one? What other medications are they taking? I mean, when you see the questions and the run through they go with somebody to try to figure this out. In the end, sometimes they just have to land on the most possible options. This person's lost it, you know, they're not mentally there to a point where they should be driving right now, and those health
issues will those mental health issues can progress to get worse or better. So this may be somebody who a year ago didn't have any issues, you know, and it's just gotten to a point where they're dealing with something that makes it unsafe for them to be behind the wheel. But I think it's really interesting to see how law enforcement has to deal with coming to the determination of
is this person of sound mind or not? Once you start learning how they do that, I think some of that is applicable to when you have these discussions with people and people are sharing with you, they're encounters. It's more than just reading body language. It's understanding the points they're trying to make and the origins that they seem to be deriving from, and you know how they
communicate them and things like that. But yeah, I've I've had people on the show that looked just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean they're crazy, first of all, And second, I don't have to agree with somebody to be able to learn something from them. So I try to just pay attention to something here that I can learn from all of this. But that's sort of my point. When people reach out and say, you know that story was just too far out there? Well, what makes it too far
out there? You know, who's to say that that didn't happen to them. Maybe it didn't happen exactly the way they say it did, but it in their mind it happened that way. They truly believe that they had that experience, And were you entertained by it at the end of the day. Was it an entertaining story? Right? I'm the same way when it comes
to having folks on the show, because here's the thing. My argument is this, just because I have a hunter on and I've got a great episode that I just interviewed a guy for the Sasquatch Out to See podcast and it'll be out soon. He had an experience like fifteen sixteen years ago while he was hunting, he come face to face with a sasquatch, and this dude is torn up about this. He admitted on the show that he turned to alcohol to try to drown out the issues he was having after his encounter.
And he is a very believable witness, one of the best witnesses in my opinion, that I've ever interviewed when it comes to recounting his story in detail and he had to go through therapy to get there and write down his story. That was one of the things that his therapist, over a course of time told him to do, is write your story down. It's one thing to tell your wife, it's one thing to tell your dad, it's another
thing to write it down. And just because you see his interview and you'll hear it in his voice when you hear and see the episode, he's a very credible witness. But if somebody comes on and says, yeah, I had this experience with Bigfoot that lasted ten years, and I gifted them and they would bring me things and leave them on the porch, that's a little out there for people. But here's the point I try to make. Just because this guy who tells his story from fifteen to eighteen years ago seems very
credible, he's one hundred it happened when he was hunting. Versus somebody over here who tells another story that sounds a little too fantastical. Who's the crazy one here? Because guess what if Bigfoot doesn't exist and there's a lot of people out there on the fence about it, if it doesn't exist at all, then everybody who's ever told a story is either a liar or they have
mental health issues and they're making the things up right. So the point is it just because somebody's story sounds more credible than the other one, because in your subjective mind it just sounds better or it sounds like it could have happened, doesn't necessarily mean that the other person's crazy. So I said all that to say, I'm putting together a show and I'm going to get there. I have a listener who has a PhD in mental health. She's been in
the mental health field for decade. As we're putting together a show, hopefully a live show I'll do on YouTube with her so people can ask some questions and we're going to talk about some of the mental health issues that may play
a factor in some of the stories that people tell. But overall, in general, I think probably ninety nine percent of the people who come forward and tell they're particularly Bigfoot encounter stories are probably saying and they did have an experience that's very similar, if not exact, to what they share on the show. Yeah, you know, I did a show. I've featured them on
my show a couple of times. I've I've interviewed him, and he's a part of the feature him and part of the book that I've got coming out Leon Thompson, who is a mental health professional who really looks at kind of the signs that people display when they've endured something like PTSD or you know, in duress, how that tends to correlate, and how they share things,
and how it's affected them, how they deal with them. And I've an awful lot from him, just you know, paying attention to things that maybe normally I wouldn't have paid attention to. But one thing that I've learned is, you know, I had an experience in which for me, whether being a believer or a nonbeliever, it feels like by default I don't get to
make a choice in it anymore. But I operate under without understanding how many of these are out there, Where are they and where aren't they, and all these different things that factor into the likelihood of somebody having an encounter with
one. I don't know where those parameters exist, really, and so when somebody says they've had an experience and they share it, I'm trying to not just learn what I can learn about it, but I don't approach it just because I feel I know that they exist, that this person's telling the truth. I mean, I would go on on the record before is saying half tongue in cheat calf serious that you know the thousand episodes of Bigfoot, Otis or I'm sorry, Sashquash chronicles that are out there, you know, maybe
half of them aren't troupe right or are embellished to an extent. I just I think you'd be naive to go under the approach that, well, they're all for real, you know, they have to be. I don't think there is anything that says they have to be. I think there's reasons why
people will make up an account or will embellish and experience. But whatever those reasons are, the last thing that they probably need if somebody's hurting or somebody's damaged in a way that they're doing, that last thing they need is me stomping them into nothing because I don't feel they're being honest. Now, I
say that with the understanding people need to understand. We're talking about people who are or whether it's loneliness, whether whatever they're trying to do to develop relationships with other people, they're telling something that isn't true. In order to develop a relationship or with somebody that they perceive is they'll understand me, they'll be my friend, this, and that. The last person somebody in those shoes needs is somebody crushing them. You know, they're already hurting, so I
want to be careful about that. Plus, they're really not out trying to defraud people like you know, they're not out hoaxing something in order to defraud people or profit from it. One of the comments that was made in chat, and I believe let me, I think it was like Kevin. He
said I'd rather be become more developed or get better than be entertained. I would agree with that, But I will say this when somebody sharing an encounter on the backside of hearing it, whether I believe them or not, I really have to look at this and say, either there was some value there it was entertaining to listen to them, or I really gleaned and learned something from that that I can apply to my research or my understanding of something,
regardless of where I arrive on it. I don't think the endgame is to crush somebody or to hurt somebody worse than they may be hurting. Now, stay tuned for more Sasquatch Out to See. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, I agree, And that's one of the things that I set out to do all the time. And I've given my time to people
that have never made it on the show. I've recorded interviews with folks and they just I don't post it because I and that's only happened a couple of times, but I think that there might have been some mental health issues on board, and I spent thirty forty five minutes to an hour on the phone or on the video chat with them and I let them tell their story and they appreciated that. So sometimes if that's all I have to do to help
somebody get through whatever they're going through, I'm willing to do that. Former everything's asking in the chat. Have I seen a bigfoot? No? I have not for those that have, That's one of the things that it goes back to the audience of the show, right you kind of know, like for me, I know, the tens of thousands of people that listen to Sasquatch Out to See every single week come for different reasons. Plenty of people come up to me. I've been at conferences recently and they come up and
say, I just love you. Know. My wife and I put you on before we go to bed, and we listen until we both go to sleep. We like going to sleep to the stories. And then there are serious researchers who listen to gain in glean information from encounters. And that's why
I do the show. I like to put together the commonalities and some of the things that stick out in the stories from different geographical areas, and I like to sort of catalog those in my brain and the next time I hear something like that, I can say, you know, I interviewed somebody last year who had a very similar experience to you, and they were miles and miles and miles apart. One was on the other side of the country or whatever. That's that's why it's so it's to me to document those stories.
But for some people it is simple entertainment when it comes to that. You know, I like to watch documentaries. I like to watch true stories about true crime and other things. I like to read things that are based on true stories. Some people like fantasy, So there's a fine line between the two. And like you said, at the end of the day, if they're not defrauding somebody, if they're not setting out to make money off their
story and they're just telling their story for whatever reason. I appreciate that because I think there's something to be gained and something to be learned from every single story out there. So that's why I let them come on the show and tell their stories. Regardless. I see Leon's and chat Now, his nose must have been itching because I was talking about them. But yeah, I
want I want Leon to be a part. I haven't reached out to Leon, but I definitely want him to be a part of that discussion when I bring Emma on and we talk about the mental health and get some insight and perspective. Obviously, I trust in, I respect Leon's perspective on tons of different things, and that's one of the big that he does for a living. He's pretty good at that, so I'd like him to be a part
of that discussion. Yeah, and it's also you know, I mean, i'd become friends with Leon for a while now and to see what himself. I mean, not that he really cares that I'm here saying this, but I want him to know that he is an inspiring individual to understand what he went through healthwise, he is a cat who has exhausted all nine lives and is still moving. It is incredible the movement that he's made in the recovery
of where he was a year ago and where he is now. And people can go to his channel and learn more about what he endured and what he went through. But you know, he was basically found on his floor to a point to where he had to learn to walk all over again. He just the other day, and I hope he doesn't mind me mentioning this. I was talking to him on cam with a friend and he said hold on.
He says, I'll be right back, And he turned around and stood up and walked off of camera and walked back on without having to use any aid or a walker. And this was something that I'd never and he was wearing blue jeans, and this is something that I hadn't seen in a year
from him, and it was just amazing. I was like, wow, you know, so you know to talk about it, to not only spend your life in a career where you help others understand the things that they're dealing with and help them overcome things, but to actually be a walking testimony like he is. It's really quite something. So but no, I you know, last Monday night I had Joe Snyder on who we had talked a little
bit about kind of how they classify encounters. You know, the BFR has been doing this for a long time now, you know, and perhaps when they started it was the right thing to do, where they made it very simple class in class B visual and in the presence of but not surely right.
And you look at the differences. I mean, seeing something three hundred yards in front of out in the edge of your headlights at four am, where you're going seventy miles an hour for one point two seconds is the same classified encounter Class A as somebody like Joe, or the encounter that I had when I was eighteen, where you're standing in front of one for a little bit. I mean, it's it seems like there's a gap there. There should be an A plus A in an A. Mine is as far as
you know, how those are classified. And one of the things that was in our discussion was the source and the integrity of the source. When you start talking about a law enforcement sheriff's deputy who is standing in somebody's backyard investigating something, and there it is standing fifty feet from him in a versus somebody who says, yeah, we'd been drinking that night, and I looked out the window of my house and I could see it standing two hundred yards away.
You know, I mean, I don't know that just the source itself lends more credibility to one over the other, you know. But I'm not trying to discourage anybody from sharing any encounter, despite what the parameters are around. I'm just saying how it's going to be digested and perceived. It's going to be different in some cases and others based on where it's coming from.
I think it's going to be with everything. And I had this conversation I had Scott from the Bigfoot Mapping Project on the show about a week or so ago, and that's one of the things that came up with Scott was vetting and considering the source. And again, you know, it's like Scott said, with the vetting, it's almost impossible to vet an anecdotal story, you know, you just sort of have to take it at face value, and
comes in he reads every single one of them. So if you if you go to the Bigfootmapping Project, on there's an app you can get for like two bucks for the year. It's one time two bucks and you get to see the full map. Or you can go to the Bigfootmap project website and take a look at all the stuff. I think he's amasked about five hundred or so reports over the last two years. But that's what he said.
You know, I have to take it when it comes in if it's clearly not somebody just trying to spoof for hoax or I think that's the main thing for him, just being able to identify that if you if you don't have any indicators there to suspect that, then it is what it is. You know, somebody who says I grew up hunting my whole life, or I was in the military for fourteen years as a scout, or with a ranger metallion, or you know people who are in the outdoors, somebody who is
a forest ranger, work for the Forestry Service for ten years. You look at these some of these different backgrounds versus somebody who says I've spent my whole life growing up in Metro Chicago and last year on vacation when we drove through Yellowstone Park, two hundred and fifty yards away, I saw an upright standing in a field, and I know for a fact it wasn't a bear.
Now, when they say I know for a fact it wasn't a bear, they're comparing that to their reference, their library of reference of experience in that lifetime, against somebody who's maybe a hunter or a forestry official saying I know for a fact it wasn't a bear. I'll tell you what. Those are two different statement. They sound the same, but when you consider the source, they are two different statements. Yeah, exactly, and you always have
to consider the source, right. But again, you know, I'm not out, Like I said, I'm not out to discourage anybody from sharing their encounter because I can guarantee you this right now. I don't care what you're, what your background is, whatever. Understand that you don't have a burden to get somebody to believe you or not believe you if you share your encounter story. When I shared my encounter that I had when I was younger,
I certainly understood that there'd be people who wouldn't believe it. I'm fine with that, doesn't you know the reason why I shared is I think there are other people who have had significant experiences in their life that feel like it's too taboo to talk about. I'm going to lose my job, I'm gonna lose my family, I'm gonna lose friends. But not everybody's gonna believe me. They're gonna think I'm crazy. You know. That's the way I kind of
felt on the front side of sharing it. But now that I have shared, I've come to grips with the fact that I don't have some burden to get somebody to believe me. Everybody out there is on their own journey, and they all require a different level of data and proof for them to believe in anything, whether it's God, money, religion, ever, what's better Chevy or Ford. They have data they look at and come to their own conclusion. I would say, tell y'all is better. But your story came
up when I had Scott on the show. We talked about yours because Scott said we were talking about close up encounters and how he believed he was talking about pro kill or kill, and he was talking about nobody had really he had never documented an actual encounter where somebody was injured or one of the things
really threatened. And I said, well, Jeff had a pretty harrowing experience with this thing through chunked a log at him that it was holding and hit you in the chest with it, and he was like, holy shit.
Really, I was like, yeah, that happened. So I think those stories in and of themselves, there's a lot of people out there who may have a misconception that it's all coomed by yah and everybody who sees one of these things is skipping through the woods holding hands, and that's not entirely accurate. So for people like you who have had an experience where it did get
physical, and I think that's important for people to hear. Well, you know, I shared my encounter in depth on a show one time larger channel. It's gotten you know, seventy eighty thousand views in a couple of months since I shared it. They you know, I don't make up the titles to other people's shows. They had wrote down attacked by a sasska, right, And I'm thinking, you know, I never really thought about that as me being attacked. I mean, certainly, if it wanted to kill me,
it could have killed me immediately. I was I kind of feel like the number one objective of any of these in any time it comes into contact with humans as I want you to leave. I don't want you to be here. That is the number one objective in order for them to survive, remain elusive, remain unbothered. There may be a few small cases or stories that are out there that maybe don't seem to follow that mode, but I
think for the most part, they just don't want you there. And my problem was, at eighteen years old, even though I'd been in the outdoors an awful lot, you know, the son of a hunting guide, things like that, I was kind of oblivious to maybe some of the things that would make a lot of people say, I need to get out of here. When it broke the log and that crack was like like thunder, you know. I mean, it was just so still, and the air was
wet and echoe and and yet I walked up the trail anyways. And then when I thought there was a black I really believe that this is going to be a black bear, and I didn't want to run away from it, and kind of invoked this kind of a chase mode or a mechanism. Plus it was the first week of June. This thing could be with cubs. I definitely don't want to run away here. I'd like to at least understand where it's at before I start retreating. And I was pretty convinced this thing
was forty to fifty yards away from me. So when I was standing there watching the dead vall, watching the timber, waiting to see that black movement in the cedar scrubs, and I just wasn't seen. I think that the reason why I share this is I think that they have this kind of escalated tear of response. They want you to leave. I'm gonna break something. A lot of people they hear that, they're gonna be like, I don't know what the hendic that was, but we're getting out of here, right.
Maybe it'll throw something at your rock or something. They're like, well, I don't know where that came from. I'm getting out of here. Maybe it gets to a point where you're oblivious or you're ignoring these things and it needs to make a vocalization or something, and still if you don't get out of there, maybe it resorts that I have to show myself now or in this case, I don't think that I wouldn't even describe it as it
threw it at me. It was it had its hands underneath about a six five to six foot long section of birch branch that was about five six inches round, and it almost effortlessly just kind of shucked it forward from its waist level and hit me in the stomach and hips and knocked me off my feet. I don't really feel like it attacked me. It was just saying, look, dude, what do I gotta do to get you to leap right?
Because I think if it wanted to attack me, it could have swung a thing like a basil back and killed me the first second I was standing there looking for a bear, you know. But I get what you're saying. I mean this idea that this is all rainbows and bubble gum and the human nature. One thing Leon helped me understand is like if you're walking down a trail and you see some forest language or whether a structure or something, and you find a little woven thing out of straw and say, oh,
it made this for me. I mean, why does the world volve be around us? Why do we think the thing made this for me? Right? I mean, this is so human for us to look at stuff like that could have made it out of reverence for another one of its species that it lost or something. Who knows why it would have made something like that. But this assumption that did it for me, It makes me realize the way we perceive stuff. I leave at this. It left me that it
loves me and it gets along with me. I'm not saying that's crazy. I'm saying I think i'd be careful on not really being able to put yourself in this place and understand its reasonings for doing things and don't just perceive it from our human side and think it does this for me or whatever. I think that gets done way too often. I don't know that it's really applicable. You know. Yeah, our perception is what it is, obviously, And like I said, I interviewed Daniel from Idaho a couple of days ago
that she'll be out soon. He was the hunter that I was talking about, and he had a very interesting encounter where it went on for almost an hour before he actually ended up seeing this thing, and it was a bunch of knocks and at the end of it, instead of you know, like you said, most people perceive what's going on with the knocks and the vocalizations as things of you know, you need to get the helllla here, you
need to leave. I don't want you getting any closer. Daniel's experience to him his perception afterwards, knowing what he knows about stalking prey and prey animals in general, he said he believes that this thing was luring him in because it only did the knocks when he stopped moving. It never while he was walking through the woods. He was camoed out. He had I think he had a three o eight on him. He was hunting elk, and this thing would only knock when he stopped, and it kept drawing him closer.
And then it finally stepped out and he got to see it, and it culminated in a pretty interesting encounter. But it was very interesting. I never heard anybody say that they felt like they were being drawn in like a prey animal. And maybe this thing might have seen his weapon and said, oh, well, it's possible I can get hurt again. It's all subjective, it is all from his point of view. But I thought it was very
interesting. It's the opposite of get the hell out of here. He felt like this thing was drawn him in, So kid, you Ninja asked if I ever had an experience that I can't explain in the woods. Absolutely, I've talked about it several times on Sasquatch Outsee and other shows. I've never seen a big foot, but I've had experiences that I think could be related
to, including some gifting stuff that's happened on the property here. I love the way he asked that too, because that's something that we've talked about in the past. Is. You know, I'm part of a network of hunting GUIDs, and I always wanted to pick their brains and see if any of them has had an experience, you know, quite honestly, as close to some of them as I am. If I would have asked them, have
any guys ever had any experience for sasquatch. These are guys that all of them spend probably over seventy days a year and very very remote places of northern Idaho, Montana, Saskatchewan. I don't know that anybody would have said anything. They would have all probably nobody would have replied to the email, To be honest with you, but if I said, have any of you ever had anything happening out there that you couldn't find a natural explanation for and left
it at that. All of them may have replied and shared something, and in those discussions they get comfortable enough to tell you about the time that they saw something through a spotting scope on the other side of a ridge that was walking up right that didn't make any sense to them, you know, But they don't lead off with that story. They're not going to come out and
just tell you right out of the gate. For whatever reason. Our human nature, that fear of being judged, that fear of not being believed, is going to make people very apprehensive. And how they'd lead the end of these conversations. And I love how Kyu said, have you ever seen anything you couldn't find a natural explanation for? And I think that's a great way
to begin those conversation. Yeah, it's a different question altogether, because if you narrow the scope and you say, have you ever seen a big foot? Well no, But if you asked an open ended question about have you ever had things that happened that you can't explain, you start walking down a different path and it could lead to that obviously. But yeah, it's definitely a better way to ask the question. For sure, Well you know,
and it's always the room that you're in. I'd jokingly say I could probably walk into the bait shop on the lake that my leg comes on in northern Minnesota. There's usually a bunch of old fellas in there playing cards. You know. I could walk in there just about any damn day and say if any guys ever seen a big foot in half of them and just raise their head. You know, you walk into a cafe and Saint Louis and asking, and everybody looks at you like they're grabbing their smartphones rady to down nine
one one, you know, stay tuned for more. Sasquatch out to see movie right back after these messages. It's funny how those discussions are different in certainly is I've talked to people who live up in the Pacific Northwest and in Alaska, and it's very easy to have conversations about this subject with people that you don't know. It's those discussions are even if they haven't had one,
they don't feel like you're crazy for asking, you know. It's more common in a discussion whereas you know, maybe different parts of the country that just is like the level of taboo it feels exists on it differently, you know, is just looking to see here and chat if anybody else had any questions. But so, what do you got coming up this week on your shows? We all, I've got tons of stuff coming up. I've got a
couple of different things in the works. But the one thing I definitely wanted to mention that's coming up and I'm sure it'll air on Weird Encounters, and I'm certainly going to do a live Sasquatch Outessee show on YouTube and it'll be out on the regular podcast. I've been trying to wrangle the cats and do
a Freeman big Foot Files episode sort of roundtable. Right, So for those that know Michael Paul Freeman, Paul Freeman's son wrote a book recently, and if you've got that book, you've got an access, exclusive access to the stabilized, non interlaced version, slowed down beautiful footage that Doug and Alex worked on, and you got to see the Freeman footage in a way that nobody
else really has. But I reached out to Michael a couple of what's been almost a month ago now, and I started talking about, you know, I want to do a round table and bring some folks on and show some of that non interlaced footage because it is much better than the original, and for those basically in a nutshell, interlaced footage video is just basically filling in
the gaps. Is a simplified version of interlaced. It's sort of a way to fill in the gaps and it reduces flicker, and it's supposed to be a better film. But ninety nine percent of what you guys see if you go google big Foot Freeman footage right now, you're going to see a interlaced, usually digital version of this. But Michael has the original non interlaced footage, so we want to release a little bit of that on the show and
then have a roundtable. So I'm trying to get Cliff Barrackman has said he's going to be a part of it, doctor Rush Jones, Doug high Check, of course, Michael Freeman. I'm gonna have Wayne who is the host of my Paranormal Odyssey show on there as well. So I'm trying to get like five people schedules together. So it's been quite different, and every time, you know how hard it is to schedule one person for a live show, and I'm trying to wrangle like six kids along with my own schedule,
which is pretty demanding. So we're gonna make that happen, and I think it would be interesting for everybody to be there because you are going to see something that most people have never seen, which is a non interlaced version of at least a portion of the film. And then we're going to talk about it. Obviously, have Cliffs sort of breakdown what he thinks about it. Rush Jones, doctor Rush Jones is going to talk a little bit about it.
Obviously, Doug who's seen tons of videos and he can talk a little bit about the process of how they did what they did with the film that you see in the book. So yeah, it's interesting to hear Doug talk about how you know, there's a lot of people out there who believe the PG film is real and yet when they look at the Freeman film what they had different concerns about it. And I don't know that Doug would say that he went into it one hundred percent hips down all in that this is real.
But I think through the process of this is that's where he's at, you know, And so it obviously does have a different perspective with it compared to what most people have seen, and I think that will be a really interesting show. I think that would be a great conversation for people to listen to. Cliff Brackman was on the show recently and we had a conversation about that, and for him, you know, the video is still inconclusive.
Video is always going to be inconclusive no matter what you do to enhance it. There's always going to be people naysayers who say one way or the other. But for him, it was the footprints. It was the castings that were made there. Because that same sample, that same individual has been cast hundreds of miles away by other researchers, including doctor Jeff Meldrum to name a few, right, so it's a known specimen in the database, which I
didn't know before talking to Cliff about it. When you put all of that stuff together and you take a look at the film and you see that version that's non interlaced, and you can see this thing a lot clearer than you ever have been able to before, and then you talk about the foot castings that were taken that day. I think for me, I came away from I've seen that version. You know, Michael sent it to me a while
back, and it's definitely convincing as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, well, I've got a show tonight where I'm going to have Steve Calls and Thomas Steinberg and Eric from Media Palace is going to join, and Joe is going to be on. We've got a little bit of a panel. We're gonna have a discussion on the future of sash Watch research and maybe some of the challenges that will be there based on how liquid fast the technology of AI is
moving. We've kind of gotten to a point where anything you film in real life in forty five minutes, I could recreate with AI, and I could actually even write artificial metadata that you would not be able to determine is not
valid. I mean it has gotten to a point to where short of a body and short of a lab giving an accredited, respectable lab giving DNA results to substance tested, what are we going to have video wise that we're going to imagine shooting a drone footage of two or three of them walking along or and saying this is I captured this, and knowing that AI could write that and write the metadata and there's nothing to determine that what you've filmed is actually
real, and what does that leave us with? Where do those question marks get drawn? Now, you know, it's not a discussion to where I want to make it all about, you know, technology. I think this technology is great. I think the advancement of technology. I support that the
way it will be used and other is is unbelievably helpful to humans. But this is one area where when it comes to trying to document the existence of an unknown species, certain areas that could be helpful and a lot of areas it could really be a detriment if we don't understand how to analyze what we're looking at. I think a lot of that responsibility lies on the influencers and the podcast host and the people working in research and the people speaking at these
different events to really respect the word evidence versus data. If I were to come up with footage of something that's still data to be considered, I mean, you may look and tell you can show me that that is not AI derived and that this is an authentic video. Now, all of a sudden, maybe that data could become evidence, But I don't know that it starts there by default anymore. You know, you know, we're not out to portray it. You know, the race to get AI advanced. You know,
we see it in pictures anybody could download on their smartphone. I can take fifty pictures of myself and then say, hey, show me standing next to a train in the eighteen eighties and give it fifty seconds, and there's a picture of me standing next to a train. That's advancing to video. Now. It's doing it so fast that it will be possible to say, show a set of large footprints walking through foot deep snow parallel to a tree line, and give it two minutes and it will pop out a video of
that. And if you can utilize today's technology or write the metadata that makes that appear to be valid. We're kind of having a hard point in getting to the bottom of what's real and what's artificial anymore. And that's going to get harder and harder and harder, and so I just want to have a realistic discussion how that might affect where we go from here. It's gonna be
in all areas of life. I mean, I use as an example, if you had a car that did twelve seconds in the quarter mile, you can make AI data and show your car doing a ten second quarter mile and send me the video. And now, as far as I'm concerned, I have to recognize your car as being a ten second quarter mile car. I
can't prove that it's not. And you said it comes down to the response ability of the influencers in the community and people who have the ear of lots of people, And it comes down to the conferences and the people who speak there and what they present as evidence as well. Because tons of people are going to conferences and I think they're great. I'm going to several. I'm going to be at the East Tennessee Para Coon April twenty eighth and twenty ninth.
I'm going to be at the Marrying Bigfoot Festival May the twentieth, and I'll be up at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference in July. I think that's July twenty second or twenty third. And I think it's important for people who put those conferences on and the people that they bring in to speak have some sort of a responsibility as well to call things what they are. If it's data, it's data. If it's evidence, it's evidence, and don't enter
because people take that as the gospel. They hear somebody like me or you, or somebody on stage at a conference say this is absolutely real or this is absolutely this evidence, and it may not necessarily be accurate. So I think you have to be responsible in what you say and what you do. I think so many of the instances that we've seen in the past year in this community where there's disagreements amongst people who have following of a lot of people
who look to them as being a resource. Right, and you'll have one butting heads with another so many times, is because something's represented as being factual or truthful. It may be just simply a hypothesis. You may have multiple sets of data that make you feel that in your area there's something here, but until you can understand the parameters of presenting that as factual. A good representation of that was somebody who was talking about knock theory would knock theory three
knocks followed by four knocks means this. You know, they may have came to understand that in their area that was something that they were leaning to discover, was that there seemed to be a pattern there. Now does that apply geographically all over? No? I don't know how to speak Chinese, you know, I mean it's communication. It could simply be something that's happening in
your area. Not to mention you may be just simply wrong about but to come out and faccy say if you ever hear this, you better run because this is what it means. You are not doing this community of service by presenting that information that way. I definitely agree, and people who have that approach and take that approach I tend to stay away from on my show honestly
because I don't like that kind of stuff. I think it's a disservice and it's not accurate because unless you can prove it, you're just hypothesizing and you're just speculating like everybody else. So and if that's fine, if that's what you want to do, as long as you preface it by that and understand that you'll never hear me ever say anything definitive on my show. Outside of definitively, we know the sasquatch phenomenon itself exists. Outside of that, everything
else is up for interpretation. And you know, we have a lot of subjective opinions. I have mine, and everybody who comes on the show certainly has theirs and it's fun to talk about. It's entertaining, but it is what it is at the end of the day. Here's a comment, would you present something you experience as factual? Did it not, in fact happen to you? Too much attention on how people seek. I would disagree a
little bit there. And here's why. As much as my encounter leads me to believe that I don't have a choice in the matter anymore, that these things exist in my mind, my encounter are simply data for somebody else to consider, and that's it. It will never be proved to anybody but me, ever, And that's a fact that, yeah, I what happened to me happening, But it's only a fact to me because I'm the only one who was there other than my two friends. It's facts to them, but
it's not a fact to Brian. It's data to be considered. It's anecdotal evidence for everybody who hears your story to process and take away from what they want and believe or not. You know, I get it. There's that I love when our chat is interacting with us in the show, we get great questions from the chat. I invite everybody to share their opinions, and even if it's an opinion that I don't necessarily agree upon. My number one
rule of our show has always been just be respectful to each other. We can we can stand on complete opposite ends of the field when it comes to agree on something, there's no reason to not be respectful. So I appreciate you conveying your thoughts and being respectful about it. I love that. But yeah, so that's what I've got coming up tonight. So it sounds like
we both got some interest in shows coming up. All the shows that people some people may have missed last week on the Untold network are now posted. There were a few of them that were just broadcasting to Facebook and YouTube and not on or Facebook and Twitter and not on YouTube live. But they have all been up loaded and updated. So if you missed any of those shows last week and can go catch those otherwise, Hey, Brian, I appreciate
you joining us this morning. It was always fun having you here again. Absolutely, man, I always loved this. It's kind of different doing a show in the morning for me. For you, I know, you do interviews with people all through the day. I mean you set days aside and then it's like blocked out. I suppose like every thirty minute you're talking to somebody else, you know. Yeah, I think I have one in about an hour, and I've got another one at five pm today and then this,
so just the three today. Awesome, awesome, Well, thank you so much for showing up and doing this, and we will see you soon. Absolutely, man, all right things they say, you don't gotta go home, but your cast I don't want to try this job. That chime everything, calling right back, ride back my joy for me to stay right now. I'm calling right away. US became buss to us, to us, uses us, to us, to use us