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Bigfoot Country: Part Seven

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In this episode, the journey takes a dramatic turn as Brian's podcasting career reaches new heights and dangerous new lows.

 What begins as a powerful collection of witness encounters from across the country — a conservation officer in Minnesota's Boundary Waters, a Mississippi fisherman on the Big Black River, a West Virginia coal miner who found something living deep underground, and a Cajun folk healer who speaks of the loup-garou with reverence rather than fear — quickly evolves into something far more consequential.

A television producer named Amanda from Meridian Productions returns with an offer to bring Sasquatch Odyssey to the screen as a legitimate documentary series. Brian agrees, but only on his terms: editorial control, no sensationalism, and absolute respect for the witnesses. The production takes the team from the Olympic Peninsula to the Ozarks and back to the Pisgah National Forest, where the mystery of Austin Reeves still lingers in every shadow and hollow.

But the closer Brian gets to the truth, the harder certain forces push back. A devastating act of arson destroys his home, his studio, and nearly everything he and Daniel have built together. 

The local investigation is a sham, but an ATF agent named Sarah Brown finds evidence of professional-grade incendiary devices and a cover-up that reaches far above her pay grade.

Rather than retreat, Brian and Daniel rebuild — bigger, stronger, and more determined than ever.The episode also explores the emotional toll of this work through quieter moments: the frustration of sorting genuine encounters from fabrications, the patience required to find voices like eighty-two-year-old Lucille Marsh from rural Georgia, and the steady, grounding presence of Daniel through it all.

From Wisconsin dairy farms to Nebraska sandhills, witnesses from the American heartland reveal that these creatures aren't just hiding in remote wilderness — they've adapted to live alongside us in the margins, watching from the edges of our everyday world.

The documentary airs, reaches millions, and ignites a national conversation. The community grows. The threats continue. And the odyssey pushes forward, one story at a time.

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Transcript

Speaker 1

Now one of your pudding.

Speaker 2

I got a string going on here, something.

Speaker 1

Just because my dog.

Speaker 2

Something killed your dog. My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence and he was dead.

Speaker 1

And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see any cars.

Speaker 2

All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting?

Speaker 3

We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?

Speaker 2

Did you see what it was or was it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better.

Speaker 3

Hello, get the body out here when I'm out there. I thought of Amna about Tech forty nine. I don't know easy Ann out there?

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'm walking right.

Speaker 3

Head uh, Chapter thirty, Witnesses to Wonder. The months that followed were the most productive of my podcasting career. Armed with the information from the Men in Black's folder, used on my own terms as Daniel had suggested, and driven by the Mount Saint Helen's revelations that proved decades of government cover up, I threw myself into the work with renewed purpose. The interviews became sharper, more focused, the episodes became more substantive, The audience continued to grow, and the

stories kept coming. From northern Minnesota, I interviewed a conservation officer named Margaret Lynfist, who'd spent thirty years patrolling the boundary waters. I've seen things up there that I can't explain, Margaret said, her Scandinavian accent softened by decades in the American Midwest. Things that don't fit in any guidebook or

training manual. Can you give me an example? The winter of two thousand and eight, I was on a solo patrol near the Canadian border, checking ice conditions on some of the larger lakes. It was January, maybe twenty below zero, wind chill even worse, not a day when anything should be moving around.

Speaker 2

What happened.

Speaker 3

I was on the ice halfway across Gunflint Lake when I saw something on the shore. At first I thought it was a moose. We get big ones up there, but the proportions were wrong too upright, two human shaped.

Speaker 2

What did it do?

Speaker 3

It watched me stood there at the tree line for maybe five minutes just watching. I had binoculars with me, but every time I tried to focus on it, my hand started shaking. I couldn't get a clear look from the cold, That's what I told myself. But it wasn't the cold. It was fear, pure, primal fear. Every instinct I had was screaming at me to get away from that thing, whatever it was. How did the encounter end? It turned and walked into the forest, disappeared between one

step and the next. I finished my patrol as fast as I could and didn't go back to that lake for two years. Have you had other encounters since? Nothing visual but sounds. Yes, how's in the night wood?

Speaker 2

Knocking?

Speaker 3

Things moving through the brush that are too big and too quiet to be any animal. I know they're up there, Brian, in the deep wilderness, and they've been there a lot longer than we have. From Mississippi. I spoke with a man named Samuel Jackson, no relation to the actor, as he was quick to point out, who'd had an encounter in the bottom lands near the Big Black River. I was running a trot line for catfish. Samuel said his voice was deep, unhurried, with the patience of a man

who'd spent his life on the water. This was back in ninety six. I'd been fishing that stretch of river for twenty year years, knew every bend and sandbar. But that night something was different, different, how quiet?

Speaker 2

Too quiet.

Speaker 3

The frog stopped singing, the owl stopped calling, even the river seemed to hush itself. And then I heard it, this splashing coming from upstream, big splashing, like a horse crossing. But there weren't any horses around for miles. Did you see anything? I did came around a bend in my john boat and saw it standing in the shallows, seven feet tall, maybe more, covered in dark hair, dripping wet.

It had a fish in its hands, a big channel cat must have been thirty pounds, and it was eating it raw, just tearing into it like a dog with a bone. What happened when it saw you? It froze, looked at me with these yellow eyes. I'll never forget those eyes, reflecting my lantern light like mirrors. We stared at each other for what felt like forever, and then it made this sound, low and rumbling, like a warning. I took the hint, turned my boat around, and paddled

like hell back to the landing. Did you ever return to that spot every season? Still fish there to this day. Never saw that creature again, but I feel it sometimes watching from the banks, keeping tabs on me. Samuel laughed, a deep, genuine sound. I leave an extra catfish for it now, just in case. Call it rent for fishing in its territory. From the mountains of West Virginia, I interviewed a coal miner named Thomas Adkins, whose encounter had

happened deep underground. You heard me right, Thomas said, when I asked him to repeat himself. Underground in the mines, tell me about it. This was back in eighty nine. I was working the night shift at a deep mine near Beckley. We were opening a new section following a seam that went back into the mountain for miles and we hit something. What do you mean, hit something? A void, a cave natural formed right in the middle of the scene.

The cutting machine broke through the wall and suddenly there was this opening, maybe ten feet wide, going back into darkness. What did you find at first?

Speaker 2

Nothing?

Speaker 3

Just a cave, big and empty. The foreman sent me and two other guys in to check if it was safe, if it connected to any other workings. We had our headlamps, our methane detectors, standard procedure, and about one hundred yards in we found tracks, footprints in the mud, bare feet,

human shaped, but way too big. We followed them deeper, and that's when we started hearing it, hearing what breathing, heavy breathing echoing off the walls, and movement, something shuffling around in the dark, just beyond the reach of our lights. We could smell it too, that smell everyone talks about, like a wet dog and a garbage dump.

Speaker 2

Had a baby. What did you do?

Speaker 3

We got the hell out, ran all the way back to the main tunnel, told the foreman what we'd found, what we'd heard. He didn't believe us, of course, called us a bunch of superstitious fools. What happened to the cave? They sealed it up, built a concrete wall across the opening, and never spoke of it again. But I know what I heard in there, Brian. I know what was living in that darkness, and I wonder sometimes if it's still there waiting listening to us dig From the Bayous of Louisiana.

I spoke with a woman named Celestine Thibodeaux, who was a practicing trader, a folk healer in the Cajun tradition. The lou garoo is what we call them, Celestine said. Her voice was thick with the accent of the Aischafalaya words, rolling together like the slow rivers of her homeland. The werewolf, the outsiders say, But that's not quite right. They're older than werewolves, older than any story we brought from France. Tell me about your experiences with them. I've seen them

all my life. My grandmother saw them, Her grandmother saw them. They've always been here in the deep Bayous, where the water is black and the cypress grows thick. We don't fear them, We respect them. Have they ever harmed anyone? Only those who deserve it? Poachers sometimes men who take more than they need from the swamp. The loogaroo doesn't like waste, doesn't like greed. But if you live right, if you take only what you need and give back

what you can, they leave you alone. Sometimes they even help help how My grandmother told a story about a child who got lost in the swamp three years old, wandered away from home during a flood. Search parties looked for days found nothing, and then on the fourth morning, the child appeared at the edge of the bayou, safe and sound. Said a big hairy man had carried her through the water, kept her warm at night, brought her back when the flood receded.

Speaker 2

Do you believe that story?

Speaker 3

I know it's true. That child was my grandmother, and she never forgot what the lu Garu did for her. She spent her whole life respecting them, teaching us to respect them. It's why I'm talking to you now, because the world needs to know that these beings aren't monsters. They're guardians, protectors, and they've been watching over us longer than we can remember. Each interview added another thread to the tapestry. Each witness added another voice to the chorus.

The picture that was emerging was more complex than I'd ever imagined. Creatures not just hiding in the wilderness, but woven into the fabric of human culture, present in our stories, our legends, our deepest memories. They'd been with us all along, and now finally we were beginning to see them. Chapter thirty one, The storm gathers. The television offer came back around in the spring. Amanda, the producer from Meridian productions reached out again after a year of sar The industry,

she explained, had changed. Streaming platforms were hungrier than ever for content. The success of certain paranormal and unexplained phenomena series had created an opening that hadn't existed before. We can do this right, she said, during a video call that lasted two hours. I've watched every episode of your podcast. I've read the transcripts. I understand what you're trying to do, and I want to help you do it on a

bigger scale. I've seen what television does to stories like these, I said, the sensationalism, the manipulation, the focus on drama over truth. That's not what I'm proposing. Think of this as a documentary series, long form, substantive, respectful. We let the witnesses tell their stories. We present the evidence without editorializing. We treat the subject with the seriousness it deserves.

Speaker 2

And the network will allow that.

Speaker 3

The network is desperate for authentic com The audience is tired of fake reality shows and manufactured drama. They want something real. Your podcast proves there's a market for it. I thought about it, thought about the reach, the resources, the possibility of telling these stories. To millions of people who would never find the podcast on their own. I need to maintain editorial control, I said, Finally, final cut on every episode. No interviews used without the witness's explicit consent,

No misleading edits, no manufactured drama, no sensationalism. Those are steep terms. Those are my terms. Take them or leave them. Amanda was quiet for a moment, then she smiled, I'll make it work. This is too important to let network politics get in the way. We shook hands virtually at least, and the deal was set. Sasquatch Odyssey was going to television. The first season would feature ten episodes, each one focused

on a different region and its encounters. We'd start in the Pacific Northwest, the heartland of Sasquatch legend, and work our way across the country. I'd conduct the interviews, provide the narration, serve as the guide for audiences who were new to this world. The production was bigger than anything

I'd experienced. Camera crews, sound technicians, editors, producers, a budget that dwarfed what I'd spent in three years of podcasting resources to investigate cases I'd never been able to pursue before. But the core of the show remained the same, the witnesses, their stories, their truth. We filmed the first episode in the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State, dense rainforest, ancient trees,

a landscape that seemed to belong to another age. The witnesses we interviewed there had stories that went back generations. Families who'd lived alongside the creatures for one hundred years, who knew their territories and their habits the way you might know a neighbor. They're not animals, one elderly woman told us, sitting on the porch of a cabin her great grandfather had built. They're people different from us, but people, and they've been here longer than we have. We're the newcomers.

We're the ones who don't belong. The second episode took us to the Ozarks, where Bobby Dean Carver served as our local guide. He'd become something of a celebrity since his podcast Interview, fielding inquiries from researchers and media outlets around the world, but he turned everyone else down. You're the only one I trust, he told me as we hiked into the hollers where he'd had his encounter. You don't make us look like fools. You don't twist our words,

You just let us tell our stories. We filmed interviews with a dozen witnesses from the region, hunters, farmers, hikers, children who'd grown up seeing things their parents couldn't explain. The consistency of their accounts was remarkable. The same creatures, the same behaviors, the same sense of being watched by something that didn't want to be seen. By the time we finished filming in Arkansas, I knew we had something special, something that would reach people in ways the podcast never could.

The third episode brought us back to the Pizga National Forest. It was strange returning to these mountains as a television host rather than a sheriff. The trails I'd walked, the clearings, I'd searched, the cave where Austin had vanished without a trace. All of it was familiar, but seen through new eyes. We filmed near some of the locations connected to his disappearance.

The Austin Reeves case remained officially unsolved, another mystery in these ancient mountains, But the evidence we'd gathered, the mount Saint Helen's documents, the witness testimonies, the pattern of government cover ups all pointed to creatures that had been here far longer than any of us. Austin had gone looking for them, whether he'd found them, whether he was still alive somewhere in.

Speaker 2

These vast forests.

Speaker 3

Aimed the question that haunted me, the missing hikers, the strange sounds, the footprints that appeared on remote trails and vanished just as mysteriously, And stay tuned for more sasquatch ott to see.

Speaker 2

We'll be right back.

Speaker 3

After these messages, Zach appeared on camera sharing the research he'd spent years compiling. He was nervous at first. He'd spent his career avoiding attention, staying under the radar, But as the interview progressed, he relaxed, his passion for the truth overcoming his reluctance to be seen. The cover up is real, he told the camera. I've documented it for decades, Files suppressed, witnesses, silenced, evidence confiscated. Somebody doesn't want us

to know what's out there. But the truth is coming out anyway. It can't be stopped. We were filming the fourth episode in the Pacific Northwest when everything changed. It started with a phone call from Daniel. You need to come home. Now, what's wrong? They came back, the men in black. But this time his voice broke. This time they didn't just threaten, They did something.

Speaker 2

Are you okay? I'm fine?

Speaker 3

But the house, Brian, the house is gone. What do you mean gone? Burned? Burned to the ground. Everything we had, all your research, all the equipment, everything, it's gone. I was on a plane within hours, leaving the production crew to finish without me. The flight felt endless, every minute stretching into an eternity of fear and rage and helplessness. When I finally arrived at our property, what I saw broke something inside me. The house was a ruin, blackened timbers,

collapsed walls, ash where our life had been. The studio where I'd recorded hundreds of interviews, the office where i'd built the community, the bedroom where Daniel and I had dreamed of the future, all of it reduced to rubble. Daniel was standing at the edge of the debris, staring at what remained. I wrapped my arms around him and held on. I'm sorry, he whispered, I'm so sorry. I should have been here. I should have This isn't your fault, this is them. This is what they do when they

can't control the narrative. What are we going to do? I looked at the ruins of our home, at the ashes of everything we'd built, and I felt something rising in me, not despair, but determination, a fire that matched the one they'd set. We rebuild, I said, and we keep going. They want us to give up, to be scared, to crawl away and hide, but that's not who we are, That's not who I am. The podcast is backed up, the interviews, the research, the community. It's all in the cloud.

They burned down our house, but they didn't destroy our work. They didn't destroy us. Daniel looked at me, tears streaming down his face. You're not going to stop. I'm never going to stop, not until the truth is out, not until everyone knows what's been hidden, not until they can't silence us anymore. I turned away from the ruins and pulled out my phone. Called Amanda. We need to talk. I said, something's happened and the world needs to see it. The television series was about to get a lot more

complicated and a lot more dangerous. Chapter thirty two, Ashes and Embers. The fire investigation was a farce. The county sheriff, my replacement. A man named Harold Weston, who'd run unopposed after I declined to seek re election, showed up with his deputies, took some photographs, asked a few questions, and declared the fire accidental faulty wiring. He said, these old mountain houses were fire traps. Sheriff Weston, I said, keeping my voice leveled, despite the race building in my chest.

Our house was built in twenty nineteen. The wiring was inspected six months ago, and there were accelerant marks on the foundation that your investigators seem to have missed. Weston's face tightened. You're not a law enforcement officer anymore, Brian. Leave the investigating to the professionals. The professionals who concluded a two year old house caught fire from faulty wiring, The professionals who have jurisdiction here. He stepped closer, lowering

his voice. I know what you've been doing, the podcast, the TV show, all that bigfoot nonsense. You've made some powerful enemies. Maybe this is a sign you should reconsider your priorities. Is that a threat? It's advice, take it or leave it. He walked away, his deputies trailing behind him. I watched them go. My hands clenched into fists. Daniel touched my arm. Let it go, Brian, fighting him won't change anything I know with this, I gestured at the ruins.

This can't stand. They can't just burn down our home and walk away. Then make them pay, not with fists, with truth. Amanda flew in from Los Angeles the next day. She surveyed the damage, interviewed Daniel and me on camera, documented everything the Sheriff's department had conveniently overlooked. Her crew found the accelerant marks I'd mentioned. They found footprints that didn't match any of ours, boot prints military style, leading

away from the house toward the road. This is going to be part of the series, Amanda said, the whole story, the investigation, the threats, the cover up, and now this. People need to see what they're doing to silence you. You're not afraid it'll make the network nervous. The network is already nervous. They've been getting pressure, vague calls from unnamed government sources, questions about our editorial standards, hints that our broadcast license might face screw. But they're standing firm.

This story is too big to walk away from.

Speaker 2

What about you?

Speaker 3

Aren't you worried about becoming a target, Amanda smiled grimly. I've been a target before. Documentary filmmakers aren't popular with the powers that be, but you can't scare someone who's already committed to the truth. We moved into a rental cabin about ten miles from our property. It was smaller than the house we'd lost, but it was safe, or as safe as anywhere could be. Now, the community rallied

around us. Donations poured in from podcast listeners and forum members, enough to replace the equipment we'd lost, enough to start rebuilding. Messages of support flooded my inbox, people who'd been inspired by the podcast, who'd found validation in the stories I'd shared, who wanted us to know we weren't alone. And the interviews continued. I refused to let the fire stop me. If anything had strengthened my resolve. They'd tried to silence me,

and they'd failed. Every episode I recorded, every witness I interviewed, every story I shared, was a victory against the forces that wanted the truth to stay hidden. A week after the fire, the investigation took an unexpected turn. The ATF Bureau of Alcohol tobacco, firearms and explosives reached out to us. A young agent named Sarah Brown had been assigned to

review the case. Unlike Sheriff Weston, she actually did her job, mister Patterson, The accelerant patterns at your property are consistent with professional grade and scendiary devices, she said during our first meeting. This wasn't some amateur with a gas can. Whoever did this had training. Will you be able to

find them? I'm going to try, but I have to warn you there are forces pushing back on this investigation, people above my pay grade, asking questions about why federal resources are being used on a simple house fire.

Speaker 2

She met my eyes.

Speaker 3

Whatever you're doing with your podcast, your documentary, you've made some powerful enemies, I know. Then you should also know that you've made some allies. Not everyone in government wants these secrets kept. There are people who believe the public has a right to know. She handed me her card. Call me if anything else happens, and be careful. I showed Daniel the card that night. This could be a setup, he said. They've used fake allies before to gather intelligence. Maybe,

but my gut says she's genuine. Someone who joined law enforcement to actually pursue justice, not cover it up. Daniel was quiet for a moment, like you were, Yeah, like I was. I looked out the window at the mountains. We keep going, the documentary, the podcast, all of it. They burned down our house, but they didn't destroy us, and the mount Saint Helen's documents are already out there, backed up in a dozen places, shared with journalists and researchers around the world.

Speaker 2

World. They can't put that genie back in the bottle.

Speaker 3

What about Austin, Have you heard anything? I shook my head. The question haunted me every day. Austin reeves somewhere in those mountains or nowhere at all, alive and living among the creatures are dead and buried in some unmarked hollow. The not knowing was the hardest part. We keep looking, I said, We keep telling the stories, and someday maybe we'll find our answers. I love you, Daniel said, you stubborn, idealistic, bigfoot chasing fool. I laughed, despite everything, I love you too.

The production resumed a month later. Amanda had fought to keep the project alive after the fire. The network had gotten cold feet, the arson, the government pressure, the sense that this story was becoming dangerous in ways they hadn't anticipated. But Amanda convinced them that walking away would be worse, that the public would see it as cowardice, as complicity in the cover up. This is the biggest story any of us will ever work on, she told them, and

we're going to tell it right. We filmed the remaining episodes with a renewed sense of purpose. The fire became part of the narrative, evidence of how far certain forces would go to keep the truth hidden. The witnesses we interviewed spoke with more urgency, now understanding that their stories might be the only protection any of us had. The community continued to grow, two million downloads per episode, three million.

The foreign membership passed fifty thousand, then one hundred thousand, People from every walk of life, united by their experiences, their questions, their refusal to accept the official denials, and the evidence kept accumulating. The Mount Saint Helen's documents, the thermal footage from the PISGA, the audio recordings, the footprint casts, the witness testimonies that formed a pattern too consistent to dismiss.

We were building something, something that couldn't be burned down, or silenced or covered up something bigger than any of us. I didn't know how it would end, didn't know if we'd ever get the definitive proof we were searching for, but I knew we wouldn't stop, couldn't stop, not until the world understood what we'd learned. The creatures were real, the cover up was real, and the truth was coming out,

one story at a time. Chapter thirty three, The Expedition, the final episode of season one, would be filmed in the Pisca. It was Amanda's idea. She wanted to bring everything full circle, to return to the mountains where Austin Reeves had disappeared, where my own journey as a researcher had intensified, where the evidence was most compelling. This is where your story really began, she said during our planning meeting, the case that changed everything. We need to show the

audience that place. I knew she was right, and I knew it would be the hardest episode to film. We assembled a small team, Amanda and her most trusted cameraman, Marcus Zach of course, serving as our guide and technical expert Daniel, who had been with me through all of it, and wasn't about to miss this final chapter, and doctor Rebecca Hartwell, the surgeon from the Mount Saint Helen's documents, who had agreed to appear on camera for the first time.

We left before dawn on a Tuesday in October. The morning was cold and clear, the mountains painted in autumn colors, reds and golds against the dark green of the evergreens. The Pizga and Fall was one of the most beautiful places on Earth, and I felt a familiar ache watching the familiar ridgelines emerge from the morning mist. You okay, Daniel asked quietly, as our caravan wound up the forest service road.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Just remembering Austin, I nodded, and everything else. Mama, the first encounter, all those years of wondering what I'd seen, he put his hand on mine. You've come a long way from that scared kid, and liarly, some days I'm not sure I've come anywhere at all. We set up base camp in a remote section of the forest, far from any established trail. Zach had identified this area as a hotspot based on thermal imagery, audio recordings, and his

network of local contacts. Multiple witnesses have reported activity here over the past six months, he explained to the camera, wood knocks, vocalizations, glimpses of large figures moving through the trees. This is as active as any location I've documented. The first day was spent exploring the terrain and setting up monitoring equipment, trail cameras, audio recorders, thermal imaging stations. We created a web of technology across twenty square acres designed

to capture anything that moved through the area. Doctor Hartwell examined some unusual structures. We found broken branches arranged in deliberate patterns, stripped bark at heights no bear or human would reach, a strange circular formation of stones that Zack believed was an intentional marker. The patterns are consistent with

what we documented at Mount Saint Helen's. She said, her scientific caution evident, even in this moment, I can't definitively say what created them, but I can say they don't match any known animal behavior. The second night we heard them. It started around midnight, a distant vocalization that sounded almost like a woman screaming, but sustained in a way no human could manage. Then another call answered from a different direction.

Then another three individuals. Zack whispered minimum they're communicating. We caught glimpses on the thermal cameras heat signatures moving through the trees at the edge of our detection range, large bipedal, too fast and too deliberate to be bears. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch ott to see.

Speaker 2

We'll be right back.

Speaker 3

After these messages, Amanda had her crew filming everything, capturing our reactions, the equipment readouts, the sounds that echoed through the darkness. This is incredible, Marcus breathed, watching the thermal display. I've covered wars, disasters, everything, but this, I know, I said, it changes things, doesn't it. Knowing they're real, We never got a clear visual. They stayed just beyond the range of our cameras, moving parallel to our camp, watching us

as we watched them. At one point, a wood knock came from less than one hundred yards away, a sharp crack that made everyone jump. I walked to the edge of our camp and spoke into the darkness. We're not here to hurt you. We're here to share your story with the world, to help people understand silence. Then, from somewhere in the trees, a low run, umbling vocalization, not threatening, almost acknowledging. I felt it then, that same sense I'd had as a child in liarly, a presence, an awareness,

a connection to something old and powerful and patient. They know, I said quietly, they know what we're trying to do. On the third day, we found the footprints, a line of them crossing a muddy creek bed about a mile from our camp. Clear distinct, unmistakable, eighteen inches long, with visible tow impressions and dermal ridges. Zach cast them in plaster while doctor Hartwell documented every detail. These are the best prints I've ever collected, Zach said. The detail is extraordinary.

You can see the flexion of the toes, the weight distribution. These weren't faked. No hoaxer could create something this anatomically correct. Doctor Hartwell was more measured, as always, The prints are consistent with a large bipedal primate. The dermal ridge patterns are unlike anything in the scientific literature. Whatever made these is unprecedented, real, Amanda said, capturing everything on camera, that's the word you're looking for, Doctor Hartwell, They're real. I'm

a scientist. I don't use that word until the evidence is irrefutable, but she was smiling slightly. However, I will say that after what I saw at Mount Saint Helen's, after what I experienced on that operating table in nineteen eighty, I don't need to believe anymore.

Speaker 2

I know.

Speaker 3

We broke camp on the fourth day, loaded with footage and audio recordings and the best physical evidence any team had ever collected. Not the definitive proof that would convince every skeptic, but enough enough to keep the conversation going, enough to inspire others to look closer. As we made our way back to the vehicles, I stopped at a familiar ridge. In the distance. I could see the canyon where Austin Reeves had vantaged, where I'd found his camera,

where the trail had gone cold. We'll find him, Daniel said, reading my thoughts as he always did. Will We maybe not the way you want, but you'll find answers you always do. I stared at those distant peaks, wondering what secrets they still held, wondering if Austin was alive somewhere in that vast wilderness, living among the creatures he'd gone to find, or if he died there another victim of the mystery that had consumed so many lives. I'm not done,

I said, this isn't the end. I know it's never the end with you, I smiled, despite the ache in my chest. That's why you love me, one of the reasons. We walked back to the vehicles together, leaving the mountains behind for now. Chapter thirty four. The broadcast the documentary aired on a Tuesday night in October, exactly one year after the fire that had destroyed our home. I watched from the new house we'd built on the same property, bigger than the one they'd burned, stronger, designed to last.

The recording studio was in a separate building, now fire proofed and backed up to servers in three different states. They could burn it down again, it wouldn't matter. The work would survive. Daniel sat beside me, his hand in mine, as the credits rolled in the first episode began. Across America, there are those who have seen things they cannot explain.

Amanda's voice, rich and measured, filled the living room. Images of wilderness filled the screen, the Olympic Peninsula, the Ozarks, the Pizgah, all the places we'd visited over the past year. Then the faces of witnesses, one after another, sharing their stories. Earl Hutchins, Bobby Dean Carver, Margaret lynkevist Samuel Jackson, doctor Rebecca Hartwell, dozens of others whose encounters we documented, whose

voices deserved to be heard. The fire was included, the ruins of our home, the accelerant patterns, the evidence of arson that law enforcement had ignored. Amanda had framed it as what it was, an attempt to silence the truth,

an attempt that had failed. The Mount Saint Helen's documents featured prominently in the third episode, the Classified Project Vulcan files, the witness testimonies about recovered bodies, doctor Hartwell's account of treating a dying specimen in a military hospital, evidence of a cover up that stretched back decades, and the final episode showed our expedition to the Pisca. The vocalizations in the night, the thermal signatures moving through the trees, the

footprints with their dermal ridges and anatomical precision. No definitive footage of a creature, no face to face contact captured on camera, but something more valuable in its way, a pattern, a weight of evidence that added up to some undeniable after one hundred and fifty years of sightings. Amanda's voice concluded, after thousands of witnesses and countless attempts at documentation, one question remains, what is hiding in the forests of North America.

The evidence we've gathered cannot answer that question definitively, but it can tell us this something. Is there, something real, something that has shared this continent with us for longer than we know, and perhaps it's time we started listening. The response was overwhelming. Within the first hour, social media exploded. Within the first week, the documentary had been viewed over

twenty million times. Within the first month, it had sparked a national conversation about what was hiding in our wilderness. Not everyone believed. The skeptics were as vocal as ever, dismissing the evidence, attacking the witnesses, explaining away every data point that was fine, that was how it had to be. Science didn't advance through blind acceptance. It advanced through rigorous debate, through challenge, through the slow accumulation of evidence that eventually

became undeniable. But for every skeptic, there were others who reached out, Scientists who'd been afraid to pursue the subject now emboldened by the documentary's success. Witnesses who'd kept their stories secret for decades, finally finding the courage to speak, Researchers who'd worked in isolation, now discovering a community of others who shared their conviction. The podcast grew ten million

downloads per episode than twenty million. The FORIM membership exploded, becoming a hub for researchers and witnesses around the world, and the threats continued. More visits from the men in black, more pressure from unnamed government sources, more attempts to discredit, to silence, to suppress. We weathered it all. We'd learned to expect it by now. Every attack was a sign that we were doing something right, that we were getting

close to something they didn't want revealed. Six months after the broadcast, I received a visit from agent Sarah Brown. She came to the house on a Sunday morning, looking exhausted, but determined the investigation into the fire had been officially closed inconclusive. They'd called it despite the evidence she'd gathered. I'm sorry, she said, I tried, but there are walls I can't get pasted. People with more power than I have, who want this to go away. I know.

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Thank you for trying.

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I'm not done. She handed me a thumb drive. This is everything I've collected, the evidence from the fire, but also other things. Files I've come across in my work, cases that were buried, witnesses who were silenced. There's a pattern, mister Patterson, a systematic effort to suppress this subject that goes back to the nineteen fifties at least maybe further. Why are you giving this to me because you're the one who'll do something with it. You've proven that you

don't stop, She smiled tiredly. I can't fight them from inside the system, but you can fight them from outside. Take this. Tell the stories they don't want told. After she left, I sat for a long time looking at the thumb drive, another piece of the puzzle, another thread in the vast web of secrecy and cover up that I'd been unraveling for years. The work was never done, the truth was never fully revealed, but piece by piece, story by story, we were getting closer. The podcast continues.

The documentary has been renewed for a second season. The community grows larger every day, united by shared experiences and a common purpose. I still don't have all the answers. I still don't know what happened to Austin Reeves. I still don't know the full extent of the government's knowledge, or why they've worked so hard to keep these creatures hidden. But I know more than I did when I was twelve years old, standing in a moonlit hollow in Georgia

seeing something that would change my life forever. I know they're real. I know they've been here longer than we have. I know they're intelligent, perhaps more intelligent than we give

them credit for. And I know that someday, somehow the truth will come out completely, not through me alone, through all of us who have seen, who have believed, who have refused to be silenced, through the witnesses who share their stories, and the researchers who collect the evidence, and the ordinary people who simply refuse to accept that the official denials can be the whole truth. We're building something, a record, a testament, a foundation for the day when

the questions will finally be answered. That day may not come in my lifetime, but it will come. I believe that now more than I've ever believed anything. Daniel is calling me for dinner. The smell of his cooking drifts through the house, something with garlic and herbs. He's gotten good at this over the years, finding ways to ground me. When I get too lost in the work, too consumed by the questions that never fully resolve, I'll close my

laptop and go join him. We'll eat together, talk about nothing and everything, fall asleep in each other's arms like we have for the past decade. And tomorrow I'll start again. Another interview, another story, another small piece of the truth added to the vast tapestry we're weaving. The odyssey continues, it always will. Part six deeper into the Mystery, Chapter thirty five. The weight of stories. The frustration didn't end with Derek Fontaine. As the podcast grew, so did the

volume of questionable accounts. For every genuine witness who reached out, there seemed to be three or four others whose stories fell apart under even basic scrutiny. Some were obvious fabrications, people who'd clearly read, searched existing cases, and cobbled together elements to create their own encounters. Others were more troubling, sincere individuals whose memories had been shaped by expectation, by media consumption, by the powerful human need to be part

of something larger than themselves. Learning to distinguish between these categories became an essential skill. I developed a mental checklist. Did the details remain consistent across multiple tellings. Did the witness seem more interested in the experience itself or in the attention it might bring. Were there specific verifiable elements a date, a location, a corroborating witness, or was everything conveniently vague? Most importantly, did the story ring true? After

hundreds of interviews, I developed an instinct for authenticity. It wasn't fool proof, but it helped me navigate the endless stream of accounts that flooded my inbox. One week, in particular, tested my patience to its life limits. On Monday, I interviewed a woman from Oregon who claimed she'd been communicating telepathically with a family of sasquatch for the past fifteen years. The creatures, she said, had taught her their language and

shared with her the secrets of the universe. When I asked for any verifiable detail, a location, a physical description, something that could be confirmed, she became evasive, insisting that the creatures had forbidden her from sharing such information. With non believers. On Tuesday, it was a teenager from Texas

who'd clearly watched too many horror movies. His encounter featured elements lifted directly from three different films I recognized, complete with dialogue that sounded like it had been written by a screenwriter with a loose grip on reality. On Wednesday, a retired professor from Michigan spent two hours explaining his theory that Sasquatch were actually time travelers from the future,

sent back to observe humanity's final centuries before extinction. He had charged arts, he had equations, He had absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

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By Thursday, I was ready to quit.

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Daniel found me in the studio staring at my computer screen, the cursor blinking on an unsent email that would have told my next scheduled interviewee that I was canceling bad week, he asked, setting a cup of coffee beside me. The worst I feel like I'm drowning in nonsense. For every real story, there are a dozen fantasies, and I can't shake the feeling that I'm wasting my time, that no matter how many genuine encounters I document, they'll always be

buried under a mountain of garbage. Daniel pulled up a chair and sat down beside me. Remember why you started this, to give witnesses a voice, to document the truth, and you're doing that every episode. You're doing exactly that. But the noise, the noise is the price of admission. You can't reach the real witnesses without wading through the fakes. It's frustrating, but it's necessary. He put his hand on my shoulder, and stay tuned for mar sasquatch Oat to see.

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We'll be right back. After these messages.

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You've helped hundreds of people tell their stories, hundreds of real people with real experiences, who felt validated for the first time in their lives. That matters. That's worth the frustration. I looked at the email i'd been about to send at the name of the next interviewee, a woman from Georgia named Lucille Marsh, who'd written a heartfelt letter about an encounter she'd had as a child in the nineteen fifties.

She'd never told anyone. She said she was eighty two years old and wanted to share her story before it was too late. I deleted the cancelation and wrote a different message, looking forward to our conversation tomorrow. Lucille Marsh turned out to be one of the most memorable interviews I ever conducted.

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Her voice was soft but clear.

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Carrying the weight of decades and the careful precision of a generation that valued truth. She'd grown up on a farm in rural Georgia, not far from where I'd had my own encounter, and lyrely a coincidence that made me lean forward in my chair as she began to speak. It was the summer of nineteen fifty three, Lucille said, I was nine years old. We had a farm about twenty miles outside of Rome, Georgia. Cotton, mostly, some corn, a few dairy cows. My daddy worked that land from

sun up to sundown, and us children helped. However we could tell me about the encounter. Well, it was late August, I remember that much. The cotton was coming in good that year, and Daddy had hired some extra hands to help with the harvest. I'd been sent to fetch water from the spring. We had a natural spring about a quarter mile from the house, back in a little hollow where the trees grew thick. What happened at the spring, I was filling my bucket when I heard something moving

in the brush. At first I thought it was a deer. We had plenty of them around, so I stayed still and quiet to see it. But what stepped out of those trees wasn't any deer. Can you describe it? It was tall, taller than any man I'd ever seen, even taller than mister Henderson, who ran the general store in town and stood six foot five if he was an inch. But this thing was broader too, massive shoulders, long arms covered head to toe, and dark brown hair, and the

face she paused. The face was almost human, almost, But there was something different about it, something old, something that looked at me like at new things. I couldn't even imagine.

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What did it do? Nothing?

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At first, we just stood there, maybe twenty feet apart, looking at each other. I was terrified, of course, nine years old, alone in the woods facing something that shouldn't exist. But there was something else too, curiosity maybe or wonder. I remember thinking that this must be what the Bible meant when it talked about giants in the earth. How long did the encounter last?

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A minute?

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Maybe two? It felt like forever. And then it did something I'll never forget. It reached down and picked up a stone, just a regular riverstone, smooth and round, and it held it out toward me like it was offering me a gift. Did you take it? I was too scared. I just stood there, frozen, And after a while it set the stone down on a big flat rock by the spring, turned around and walked back into the trees. Didn't run, just walked, calm as could be.

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What did you do? Then?

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I grabbed my bucket and ran home as fast as my legs would carry me. Didn't tell nobody what I'd seen. Who would have believed me a little girl claiming she'd seen a monster in the woods. They would have thought I was touched in the head. Did you ever go back to the spring every day?

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I had to.

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That was my chore, fetching water. But I never saw the creature again. What I did see was the stone. It stayed right there on that flat rock for years. Nobody moved it, nobody touched it. It was like a reminder, a sign that what I'd seen was real? Do you still have the stone? Lucille was quiet for a moment. Then I do. When we sold the farm in nineteen seventy two, I went back to that spring one last time.

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The stone was.

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Still there, right where the creature had left it. I picked it up and took it with me. I've had it ever since. Could you describe it? It's nothing special to look at, just a riverstone, gray with some white streaks, about the size of an egg. But when I hold it, her voice caught. When I hold it, I feel connected to something, something old and wise and far beyond my understanding. It's like holding a piece of that creature, a piece of that moment, a piece of the truth that I've

carried with me for seventy years. Lucille's interview it reminded me why I did this work, not for the dramatic encounters or the sensational stories, for the quiet moments, for the people like Lucille who'd carried these experiences in silence for decades, waiting for someone to believe them, For the truth that existed beneath all the noise, patient and persistent, waiting to be heard. I asked Lucille if she'd be willing to share a photograph of the stone, and she agreed.

When the image arrived in my email the next day, I stared at it for a long time. An ordinary riverstone, smooth and gray, unremarkable in every way except for what it represented, a moment of contact, a gift offered and eventually accepted, a connection across species, across decades, across the vast gulf that separated humans from the creatures we were only beginning to understand. I saved the image and added

it to the episode. And when the response came in hundreds of messages from people who'd been moved by Lucille's story, who'd been inspired by her courage and finally speaking up, I knew that the frustration was worth it. Every time Chapter thirty six, Encounters in the Heartland the Midwest interviews

brought a different flavor to the podcast. The Southeast had its swamps and hollows, the Pacific Northwest had its ancient forests, but the American Heartland had something unique, farmland that butted up against remnant woodlands, small towns surrounded by fields that stretched to the horizon, and people whose matter of fact approach to life extended even to the impossible. I'm not the type to make things up, said Harold Gustafson, a

seventy three year old dairy farmer from Wisconsin. Ask anyone who knows me, thirty years on the county board, forty years running this farm. I don't have time for nonsense. But you saw something? I saw something. October of two thousand and three. I was out in the barn around four in the morning, starting the milking. The cows were agitated, wouldn't settle down, kept looking toward the back of the barn, where the doors were opened, to the paddock.

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What did you find?

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At first, nothing, I walked back to check, thinking maybe a coyote had spooked them. But when I looked out into the paddock, I saw it standing right there by the fence line, maybe fifty yards away. Massive thing had to be eight feet tall, just standing there watching the barn. Could you see it clearly? Clear enough? The yard light was on and the moon was up. It was covered in dark hair, standing upright like a man. When it saw me looking, it turned and walked toward the tree line.

Didn't run, just walked, and it stepped right over the fence, a four foot fence, and it didn't even break stride, just stepped over it like it was nothing. Did you report the sighting to who the sheriff would have laughed me out of his office. My wife thought I was seeing things. My kids still think I made it up to get attention. Harold's voice hardened. But I know what I saw. Sixty years of farming, and I've never seen anything like it. Bears don't walk upright, Deer don't clear

four foot fences without jumping. Whatever that thing was, it wasn't from around here. Have you seen it since? Not seen? But I found things. Tracks in the mud by the creek, way too big for any person. Deer carcasses in the woods with the bones cracked open for marrow, and I mean cracked like someone hit them with a hammer. Something's been living in those woods for years, maybe decades, And

until you called, I never had anyone to tell. From Iowa, I interviewed a woman named Constance Meyer who'd had an encounter while driving home from a late shift at the hospital where she worked as a nurse. It was December twenty eleven. Constance said, snowing, hard, visibility, maybe one hundred feet. I was on County Road fourteen, about five miles from my house. That stretch goes through a river bottom, lots of timber, not many houses, what happened? Something ran across

the road in front of me. I had to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting it. At first I thought it was a deer, but then I realized it was running on two legs and it was huge. When it reached the other side of the road, it had to duck under a branch that I know was at least seven feet off the ground. Did you get a good look at it? Only for a second. My headlights caught it as it crossed brown hair, massive build arms that hung down past its knees, and fast, God, it

was fast. It covered that two lane highway and maybe three strides.

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What did you do?

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I sat there in my car, shaking, trying to convince myself I hadn't seen what I'd just seen. Then I drove home as fast as the snow would let me and didn't tell anyone For years.

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I was a nurse.

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I was supposed to be rational, scientific. If I started talking about Bigfoot, people would have thought I'd lost my mind. Why are you talking about it now? Because I found your podcast, because I heard other people telling stories just like mine. Because I realized I wasn't crazy that this thing, whatever it is, is real, and if I can help other people understand that, help them feel less alone, then maybe something good can come out of what scared the

hell out of me. On that road from Nebraska, I spoke with a rancher named Bill Thornton, whose family had been reporting encounters for three generations. My grandfather saw them back in the thirties. Bill said, my father saw them in the sixties, and I've seen them twice, once in nineteen eighty seven, once in twenty nineteen. Whatever these things are, they've been on this land longer than my family has. Tell me about your encounters. The first one, I was

sixteen working cattle in the sand Hills north Pasture. It was evening getting dark. I was on horseback pushing some strays back toward the main herd when my horse spooked, just stopped dead and wouldn't go forward no matter what I did.

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What was spooking the horse?

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I didn't see it at first, just felt something watching, you know, that feeling like eyes on the back of your neck. I looked around, and that's when I spotted it, standing in a draw about one hundred yards away, half hidden by the tall grass, watching me.

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Can you describe it? Tall?

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Brown, shaped like a man, but bigger. It was getting dark, so I couldn't see details, but I saw enough to know it wasn't a bear or a cow or anything else that belonged out there. And the way it stood so still, so patient, It was like it was waiting to see what I'd do.

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What did you do?

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I turned that horse around and rode like hell back to the house. Told my father what I'd seen. He didn't laugh, didn't call me crazy, just nodded and said they've been here a long time. Leave them alone and they'll.

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Leave you alone. That was it.

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End of discussion and the second encounter twenty nineteen. I was driving the ranch road at night, coming back from checking on a sick heifer. Something crossed in front of my truck, big bipedal, moving fast. I stopped and got out shine my spotlight into the grass. Nothing there, but I could hear it moving, circling around behind me, and I could smell it, that smell everyone talks about, like a dead animal and a wet dog had a baby.

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Were you afraid? Not really?

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Cautious maybe, But I remembered what my father said, leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. So I got back in my truck and drove home. I haven't seen anything since, but I know they're still out there. They've always been out there, and they always will be. The Heartland interviews revealed something important. These creatures weren't confined to wilderness areas. They'd adapted to agricultural landscapes, living in the margins, the river bottoms, the wood lots, the wild places that

existed between the fields. They'd learned to coexist with human activity, staying hidden, watching from the edges, making themselves known only when circumstances forced their hand. It was a testament to their intelligence, their adaptability, their determination to survive in a world that was increasingly hostile to anything wild. And it made me wonder how many other places had they colonized without anyone noticing, how many encounters had happened and been dismissed, forgotten,

buried under the weight of rational denial. The answer, I was beginning to realize was more than anyone could count.

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