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It's About Time with Ana Foxxx

Jun 19, 202530 min
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"There's always room to be better."

Black women in the Adult Industry face a unique, and yet not unfamiliar, discrimination, and as one of the leading Black performers, Ana Foxxx is no stranger to it. In a special sit-down with Sapphire, they discuss the impact and challenges that persist for women of color. Calling for accountability of some of the biggest studios, this conversation has been long overdue.


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Warning, the following program is not for the weak hearted, those who are close minded or in general you're scared to learn what's behind closed doors. Here at Sapphires Airplay. I want you to pour the wine, grab somebody that you want to hold on to, or better yet, get the vibration stimulated through your body. Get ready for one hell of an orgasm in 54321. What is up all you sexy motherfuckers out there in Radioland?

It's your girl Megan Sapphire. And if you guys are probably watching this, you're like, oh, I know this face. And if you don't know this face, well, first of all, happy Juneteenth to all you melanated folks out there. And second of all, this is my wonderful, beautiful wifey. Please nobody come at me. There's a history with this, OK? This is why I say wifey. But the beautiful chocolate goddess of all time, Miss Anna fucking Fox.

Oh, my goodness. I I'm so glad that you signed up to do this with me. Yes, ma'am. I think the time is just like finally come. It's perfect timing. And let's take it back a little bit because some people are like, wait a second, you called her wifey. So you must know. We know we go back. We do go back. We. Go way way we do. Lots of shenanigans. Lots. Of shenanigans. And it's oddly enough like you and I kind of met in the like as porn babies. Yes, yeah. Very, very, very young in the

industry. And so some people are like, wait, you've performed Sapphire? No, I have not. No, no, no, no, no. I've always been behind the mic, literally in the radio industry. And I met Anna pretty much at the height of my Playboy career, which was great. And you've been in this business for over 10 years now. Over 10 years now, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, so the time has come where, you know, on Sapphire 0 play I'm always going to call out some shit.

And I'm not going to lie, this has been something on my mind for a long, long time. And when I got a call from you, and it's always interesting because if I get a call from Anna, it's always like, girl, listen to some shit. It's never like, oh, how are you doing? No, I need to call you on this shit. There needs to be no trace, no evidence, no trace of this call

every happening. So we got we got to talk about it. And what better way to talk about it during Juneteenth, Yes. And it's really, I don't want to say calling out the industry, but it's it's time Y'all, you know, five years ago, the avians, they notoriously said that they were going to get rid of, you know, the Ebony category, they were going to be a little bit more black friendly to their foreign users. We'll Fast forward now to 2025 and we've still never seen really much a change.

I left actually Evil Angel back in 2023. Well, actually, no, last year, 2024. And I even had talked about the uncomfortableness, you know, working behind the scenes and looking at old porn titles that we're now trying to almost erase or say that these things never happened. And so this leads me to my conversation with Anna. And you have gotten a lot of backlash, I would say not even just this year alone, but notoriously, what was it 6 years ago?

There's this picture of you on the 2019 NBN Awards and you've came full out African pride. And that's a big no no. Yeah. So, so let's get down to it. Like why now? Why me, out of all people, out of all the outlets that you could speak to, why do you think you had to come onto my platform to really call out the industry on? I don't want to say the blatant racism, but there's just no support. There's no support for the black community anymore.

I feel like that's why I came to you because I've done like 100 interviews my whole career. But I feel like people are afraid to ask the obvious, even when they'll ask about like race in the industry and like if it's good or bad, they'll still are afraid to like, let me go into the tea.

And it's been a long time coming like from like this little instance, this one to my experience, to her experience, to our experience, it's just been like kind of like treated like we're overreacting for for them under reacting. So yeah. Yes, honestly, for me, it's always been the titles. It's never been about the performance. It's always been the titles. Like there was one, I think when I was first starting at Evil Angel, one of the titles was Black chicks sucking Dick.

Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, wait a second. Yeah. We're still. We are still doing that. We're still doing. That we are still doing that like it's been from things like that to like the the the best 1 during 2020. Black facials matter, you know, to to black. Facials matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then speaking up about how problematic titles like that are.

Yeah, it gets you in trouble when when we're the ones affected by it, like we are the ones that like have to perform and we have less opportunities to perform under I would say like more elegant titles, like more humane titles. And if we decline to want to shoot underneath a like a problematic title, then we just don't work. Right. See and that's what I don't understand is how a title or you just refusing to do a certain scene because you feel it's uncomfortable really can't

affect the paycheck. Oh, it can, yeah. How is so? Have you ever in your career I had to take a significant pay cut because you spoke out? Oh yeah, yeah, I would say like the biggest 1 was my relationship with like the whole umbrella of like vixen Black tushy. Once I had my little hole like banana gate thing happen, my relationship not only stopped with that one director who the issue was with, it stopped with everyone underneath that whole company.

Banana gate for some people who don't know. Who don't know for the first time, 4 black girls women were hired by forgive me for mixing up the companies, but I believe blacked and we were given bananas to pose with And when we spoke up about like what are the bananas for? Because it was Valentine's Day, we weren't sucking them. Like I could understand because I would suck a banana, I'd fuck a banana and that doesn't have to do anything with my race. But we didn't do anything like that.

So when we spoke up about it plus plus plus it was a whole day. It was a whole day like that was like one of eight things that had happened that day. Like there was like the Google. It I'm like low key kind of like my heart kind of stopped for a second because first of all, you said this was for Valentine's Day, which falls on Black History Month, and nobody thought that this was not going

to have some type of backlash. No, no, not until like the end of the day because we had to start complaining on set, which isn't normal. Like I normally don't have too much to complain about. But it was this that the bananas, the floor, the talent, like the cleanliness of the house, no heater in the house, you know, yes, there was like a

whole list of things. And when we complained, we were no longer hired by the company when I had been the first Vixen Angel, the first black Vixen Angel and I was number six of the first top 10 Vixen Angels. So like to be like within the company, like actively working and then have this one issue, which I feel like it's like racially motivated and then have no more work with that that line anymore and feel like other companies didn't want to associate.

That's like the biggest pay cut I could have got for something that I had no control over. And just for speaking out. And this is, you know, not just a regular nine to five job. No. This could have been also a career ending decision. Yeah. Which again, how long did this take place? Like 4 or five years ago. 5 Like before it was. It was before COVID I think. OK, so it's still like in the height, Yeah. Like the heightening racial tension, yeah, of the 20 twenties.

I mean, racial tensions have been high, you know, throughout history. And in fact, it's crazy to me because when you think about black pornographers and they talk about, you know, some of the things that we do on camera, it it's crazy when you look at the statistics that 36% of the scenes are also white women being targets of the aggression

of black men. OK, We've seen it with the the Bros, you know, in the car on the websites and they're, you know, hollering at white chicks, but they're also like dragging her ass. And nobody's saying that this is a problem thing, a problematic thing. But have the roles been flicked? I feel like black people would be like, oh, no, that's, you know, that's not right.

This is not how we get down. But at the same time, what are you telling in cells on the Internet that this is the way to approach white women as a black man or that black men are always going to be aggressive for sex, which can even go back to the slave days when we had, you know, the Mandingos and you know the true origins of cuckolding. But that's not why we're here. But that makes you need to go do your homework and research on why even cuckolding is such a racist thing in porn.

So leading it back to that, it's crazy to me that again, a percentage that high violence towards white women, then you see the flip where it's like we don't see the violence against black women or do we? Oh yes, they the fans, the unfortunately it's the black men fans that love to like harass black female performers for anything that they might do

remotely violent. When our options for performances shoots that we can do are limited like a lot of the new black girls, unfortunately like you'll get like a company like ghetto gaggers or something that wants to shoot with you. Is it her fault that like no other company thinks that she's worth it and this company is willing to pay her a white girl? Wait, you know what I mean? So then if she does that scene, then the fans will fucking slam her and be like, how dare you?

But I don't see any of the like the flips on the comments of, you know, white women. But black women can't do anything like that. It's too far. It's too far. They don't have other options. There's there's this or that. And if you're not lucky enough to be a token, where do you go? Speaking of, I feel like you've been used as. A token? Oh yeah, For quite a while, yes. Like. Endearingly. Oh yeah.

It's like every time I do see you and like, even when I talk to friends and I'm like, oh, this is Anna Fox. You know, they're like, oh, that's the one, the one that I always see. And it's like, you'll name other names Kira Noir and Miss you so. But those are also all the tokenisms of black women in porn.

We're so separated too, as our as our tokens, like Misty does this and like we're not allowed to like or we don't really like work together or cross to like, like she's there, she's there and she's there. They're not all in the same. Right, it's not a Charlie's Angel thing. No, no, no, no. Which I'm like it would be kind of. Cool. It makes sense like we're the only like race of girls that they don't have really collab together.

And I wonder why, because we're like in the top selling like in the US every year it it says like who's the top right Ebony is up there. Ebony is. Every year in top Yeah, last year was. Top three, I think it's been in the top three, yeah, so. I don't understand, Like you could also. I mean, if we're going to go there, we'll go there.

Brown paperback tests. Yeah, I did notice like, not only me complaining, but a lot of black girls in porn but complain about their skin tones being lightened in the promotions of their porns to almost make them look like white passing, you know what I mean? So like a lot of girls, like you would see them underneath their own porn. Like why did you lighten me like this?

Like I know Demi Sutra. I know September rain like I've seen like multiple girls like say these things about even myself like I'm like as dark as they come and I've still even seen myself lightened up. I've seen you lightened up in right and I mean. Who is that? Again, you know, it's like, why are we so scared to see the different shades of blackness? OK, that's the thing.

Black people come in different shades and colors, just like Mexican folks come in, Latino folks, let me you know, say they all come in different shades. Asian folks come in different shades. But yet you see it in porn all the time. It's never, you know, the light skinned dark black man. You know, it's always the chocolate. Yeah, Black's always featured dark chocolate, gangsta, thuggish looking men.

Yeah, and you know, vice versa. Now they're just like props for the girls to sit on. They're like, oh, they're no, they're classy. They're in suits, but like they're the prop. But like the girl, like in the pictures, I think you might have showed me a picture where the girl was like literally like he's like a couch. She's like posing on him like he's a couch. Like again, what what what are we trying to portray?

And again, before people start saying well this is what we like, I think the porn industry low key thinks that the average porn user is so dumb that if you were to just change Ebony to just black they would be too dumb to notice. Yeah, they do. They do. They do. I'm like, I'd rather just see black porn, black pussy, black hair, like even just the fact that I have to go. In black love, black Love and. Even still, I'm seeing white girls pop up.

Latina chicks. No offense, but again, there's nothing for us. No, there's no space for us to be us. No. Even people when I told them that Black wasn't technically a Black-owned company. You know. Like again, there's only so much, there's only so much in this laying in Ave. that we actually have a say in.

Or do you have to go through the back streets of like ghetto gaggers or, you know, some degrading type of C list porn, if you will, just to say, oh, I'm supporting a black artist right now amongst the black performers. Over the years, there have been dinners, there have been gatherings and award shows. Can we get to the Realty about what happened exactly this year? Because I found it kind of rude that I was invited to the browser's dinner.

What was it last year? And then all of a sudden, Black History Month comes around. My invitation is not in the mail. I know a couple other people's invitations were in the mail, and then there was some kerfuff for fuffling with with your invitation. Yeah. And whatnot. Yeah. And yeah, we're supposed to be celebrating everybody. Black excellence, right? Right. If we're truly celebrating in Black excellence, why weren't you celebrating Black

excellence? Like how did you, how did you accidentally uninvite people who are literally the definition of black excellence? Like now it's one thing for the people who did get an invite and didn't show up, but I think that it's really ironic that you were there when it started. I was there when it started, other performers that were there when it started off of my performer ass body and then browsers wants to have a hand in helping and then somehow it gets flipped to I don't fuck with them.

So they didn't invite me to the dinner that I started to celebrate black excellence. I never said that like I'm allowed to have issues with the company as a performer. That doesn't mean like fuck the company altogether. Like if my scene, if my scene wasn't comfortable, I'm allowed to. Am I not allowed to voice that? Do I have to pretend that it's Peaches and roses every time? That's ridiculous. It's adult. So it's really ironic that like, oh, we don't know.

It was this person's fault. It was that person's fault. Well, that girl said this, that girl said that. How did it go from you guys literally like what, three years ago, wanting to just like document it, film it to everybody completely forgetting how it even fucking started. And then you guys like taking people out who don't, who don't, who don't champion for you, you know, like, if you're not a cheerleader, that has nothing to do with our blackness in our industry. Exactly.

In such a marginalized again community that doesn't get their moment. No, we're black women, especially in the industry, have less of a space in the industry. All of the award shows are not, are not, you know, praising us. We are the only ones that don't really have like a space. So creating that space is which I did when it's really weird how you get excluded from the own space that you created for you, for you. So I'd still like to know how

like I didn't get, I didn't. And then like I really didn't feel the support from some other black performers that could have helped in that situation. The ones that should have had my back really didn't have my back. What's kind of weird for me is that, and I am going to call this out, we're the black men in the industry that are supposed to be protecting their black Queens because I don't feel the support and love, especially

with the men like you. And I became close over the years through another black performer, black male performer. And that's the only person that I could actually really call upon. And I know he doesn't like to be in the spotlight, but like, there are other people and the Ricky Johnsons, I'm sorry, but the cash monies.

Sometimes I feel like I feel like they have got in their space and that they're afraid to say anything because like, look at like if they invite a black woman to the space and I open my mouth, they're like, oops, sorry, we never knew her. So like if he's up there, I feel like maybe they feel they think the same way, but it's like they have, we have the least amount of power in the industry out of everybody. Like we're underneath, like everybody, like. Yet you guys are such the marketable.

Yeah. Marketable, you know, space. Yeah. You guys are the ones that do bring customers out. I'm not lying, you know, going to ADNS, which I probably will never go again. To be honest, that was just a little bit too much for me even as a nominee. But like when I've been disrespected in the, you know, in the space as someone who is very loyal to the adult industry, you know, I never like

to shit on y'all. But at the same time, when I'm seeing my black performers constantly being put on the back burner or they're not in the front of the, you know, big name boots, but yet they're the ones that are selling the DVDs, they are selling the merch. They're promoting it. You guys are promoting the hell out of it, but there's no, like,

come on, there's no big space. I know you've taken a lot of Flack even for your, you know, creative tapes with Playboy, which is like, first of all, it's monumental. I mean, Playboy has had relationships with a lot of black women throughout the years as Playboy bunnies. But for someone like yourself to go from a performer to now, like, into this creative space, you are trying to enter this new phase of, like, giving us a platform.

But yeah, there's the set back where it's like, Oh, no, she still has to remain, you know, in her own space. She used to stay in her own lane. They I don't feel like people were considering like my directing for Playboy, like Sirius, I'm the only producer for their team that was specifically bringing sex worker black sex worker women to their platform. And I, I feel like I'd see other girls just like simply like fuck a DJ and get so much more credit for that.

And I was like, but did you guys know that like that that was like me, myself and I doing it like creatively out of my own money, my. Time and everything. And like, I like I, I don't know, like I don't, I don't see anybody else trying that hard for black women. So I just was like, I just don't understand, like why these things don't matter to, to the rest of the industry. And if you speak up about it, they're just like, again, again,

look at her, look at her. I mean, every industry is going to have their, you know, black sheep and they're going to have their, you know, underappreciated audience. But at the same time, other industries have unions. Yeah. Why in the porn industry do you think we don't have unions? 'Cause everybody is so, so sprawled out, like so individual thinking, some people think we need it, some people don't. We can't even get united on like testing protocols and things like that.

So, you know, it's really hard to get this industry to unify. If some people are benefit the, the, the top people are benefiting from it not being so. So why? Why would they push for that? I mean, I've always said there has to be some type of unionization because when you guys need residuals for everybody who's outside of the industry, they don't really get residuals as like Hollywood actors get paid. And it's the same thing that's happening right now. Like I'm a part of SAG AFTRA.

And unfortunately, as Hollywood is seeking a major dive, it also counts down to the people in production. So thank you to our girl filming for this, because shout out to the production teams because they also need to have, you know, hello, their reparations due too. So bring it back to the adult industry.

It's funny how again, when you're working and you're reproducing content and it doesn't go directly to the hands of those who may have created it or may have, oh, I don't know, risk their their bodily health, AKA actresses like Anna, and they do not get paid. What does that say about this community that takes the literal money off the backs of performers? So again, when people say unionization doesn't work in the adult industry, it's not just

because of the exploitation. Let's be honest, you don't want to pay people their work. You are still basing the pay off the color of the skin or how old they are or if you're a male or female or the fact that they have a bigger Dick size, a bigger tip size. Again, pay people their fucking

work. And if you're going to be profiting off of the black dollars and you want to use hip hop as a reference, it's a porn AKA Pornhub with your wards AV NS with your you know, we see you when you try to get, you know, on the money train of backing up hip hop artists to come and host and, you know, say their little 2. PS But again, what are you saying about supporting the black community who has thrived throughout the years, has had

rising stars come and go with no nominations or no recognition? How is it that you have had a career of over 10 years and yet we see the same nominees and winners API, you are still considered the best and it doesn't take Urban X to recognize because let's be honest, that's another cop out award show. We could talk about that later. But again, at least you are recognizing some black nominations and nominees, but you're still not embodying all the black performers and you know the talent.

So I don't know, I just a lot can be said. Yeah, I know, I know. My mind is like there's so many girls that I've never seen like get that I'm like this. Do you know what she can do? Do you know what she does? Do you know what she looks like? Like do you know like when she walks down the fucking St. how many people would crash a car cuz how fine she is? And she's never got like, you know, like, OK. And yet it would still be just

another porn hole to y'all. But at the same time, it's like if I see, you know, black women just excelling in any type, I don't care what the business is. But especially in porn where you're already getting backlash as a woman, as a black female, then you're busting it wide open on camera. That's a lot to say. That's a lot to endure. I can't imagine the comments that you get constantly for, you know, just being a black woman who may fuck black guys and

white guys. You know, they sat in the third and then they want to inquire about your private life. And it's like, no, no. I've never like I don't get it. Like I know for a fact that the black women have a different type of discrimination, discrimination when it comes to us being sex workers. Like it's insane. Like the the like Dick color counting is insane. Like I've I've never. Wait, wait, Dick. Color counting. Yes ma'am. Yes ma'am. Like. Who? What color, Dick?

Was that one, like, I've never thought about that shit before. Like I've never, I've never had like a racial preference when it comes to penis. OK. But obviously the guys that watch it do and they seem to think because they can't find a black Dick that they mean that, that you don't, that you don't do it or whatever. And I'm like, where did that? Where did that come from? I, I'm an equal opportunity pussy over here. I'll fuck anything. Yeah, I, I'll fuck.

I fuck a lot of things, like everything, everything. So my pussy will get like, who said that? Go ask the guys on my street. Like, is that true? That's not true. And it's like, it's like a super, it's like a specific kind of hate that we got to deal with. And then we got to wake up by a wig so we can go to work so we can be presentable enough to be on the camera where the comments are going to be talking shit about us because damned if we do, damned if we don't, you know

what I mean? And then they're like, well, you guys just aren't like selling enough. Like, well, I'm sorry that we're not the ones that you guys keep pumping money into a specific kind of bitch that won't even show up. Or when she does show up, she's drunk or she sucked that guy's Dick, sucked that guy's Dick. And I'm supposed that's what I'm supposed to do. If I'm half as ratchet as you think I am, I'm not going anywhere. You know what I mean? Like like like Bonnie Blue for instance.

Have you ever seen a black girl in porn do half of half of that? If we got 1/4 of that doing that kind of shit, they would we be kicked out tomorrow. So we have to deal with more. We have to deal with more from this, more from that and the other and we get less recognition all around. It makes again, zero sense. No. So I want people to understand the lot could be said.

And I just want people to take note that just Juneteenth in general, you know, whether you know the true history about it. At the end of the day, I want people to start supporting their black performers. You hear the strife. Now it's your turn to maybe call out some of these foreign companies. Maybe it's your turn to you, you know, start reaching out to these black creatives and not just saying, oh, you know, you want to fuck me. No, be on some real shit. Be on some real shit.

If you want to collaborate with some of these artists, come professionally, you know, bring a resume, talk to them, interact with them on a personal, not a personal level, but on a professional level. You know, at the end of the day, Anna does more than just, you know, the erotic stuff. She has done a lot of mainstream work as well. And some of these artists want to break into the mainstream,

but there's still that stigma. So we shouldn't let stigma, you know, affect what is being affected right now, which is, you know, black dollars let this, you know, drop that stigma. Support them. Anna, do you have any final thoughts? I just think that there's always room to do better. You know, I, I like, I hate talking negatively about the industry that I love so dearly, but it's, it's because it continuously happens like year after year after year.

I do get tired. I am tired of saying it. It's because nothing, nothing changes. Like if you're going to reach out to me to support your brand, at least get my numbers right. I have 300 million viewers on your platform and you guys don't want to invite me to the show. That's fine, You know what I mean. But like, what message are you sending? So why would I want to do anything if if this is a good accolade and it still doesn't get me shit, why would I want to

put any more effort into it? You know what I mean? So like we have room to grow and we are a community. So if you don't, if you don't listen to the black women and what we've been saying, what we have to say, then you really don't care about the whole industry as a whole. And that's a shame because it is a whole family. It's a whole community it. Really is. It really is, yeah. And it's a community that I love and so. Yeah, I love you. Thank you for signing up for this.

I know this is not easy and I just. Really like for me. I love you, you know, just thank you for reaching out and supporting. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. Love this girl and you guys can follow me at Miz Radio Sapphire at MSRADIOSEPPHIRE. Remember the safe sex is the best hot sex. Till next time, good night. That was the show. All you sexy motherfuckers out there, remember to follow at Miss Radio Sapphire and Sapphires Airplay on Instagram. Want some ear gasms of the past

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