Training Camp Updates & Talking with Khalil Davis | Salty Dogs

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The Salty Dogs are Scott Smith. That's me. I'm Jeff Ryan, and we talk about the buccaneers mostly, And that's the fun part about this podcast, at least for me. That's the reason. How do you pronounce that the was on? I could spell it, but I can't have no idea. I have no idea. It's I think it's a French term for the things reasons, reason for existence. I like it. So all right, here we go. So yeah, we're we're here and this and I are here to talk about

buccaneer stuff. Yeah, and this is a fun week because because padded practice time, so we're the best. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna have a guest on and that's gonna be Um sixth round draft pick Khalil Davis, defensive tackle. I'm looking forward to that. I am too, and we'll answer some questions at the young hand, I'm like always, all right, let's pick up the pace here. I feel like, you know, that's that's a good point because coach is coach cares very much about tempo and

pace out there. We definitely have to pick it up right here, right okay, yeah, or otherwise he's gonna make us run afterwards like she did the defense. There you go. So I had to leave because I had to come up for the video conferences. Okay, well, there was a I was still down there at a point when um somebody and he started yelling at the defense and made

them run. They were probably at about the yard line and they had to sprint all the way down to the other end zone and then back because he was mad at them because they did not pursue the person who caught the ball. Because in in practice like this, you don't really tackle a guy. So UM, if you see your teammate touch a guy, you think you did, that guy probably will still keep running. The receiver's running backs off and just keep running even though they would

have been down. He wants everybody pursuing, you know, unless the players. This has been clear that the players over Apparently that has happened a couple of times in the last couple of days, and so he was clearly setting a tone with that. And then on his Zoom talk afterwards, which was right after practice, he was asked about that and he said, yeah, there's the defense is still out there running right now because he made him run more after practice, I gotta catch that ball. It was that

was that um? Was? Was that the one where Mike Evans was all jacked up, saying, how you have to catch that ball? You gotta catch that ball. No, this was this was when the defense failed to pursue a guy that I caught a ball. Okay, I don't think I saw the one you did. Yeah, the one I was talking I'm talking about is a defensive um. I don't remember the number, but anyways, had a perfect interception and dropped the ball and Mike Evans was like, you

gotta catch that. And I'm like, wait a minute, You're the wide receiver. Easy for you to say the greatest receivers there is. Who knew it's that basic. You got to catch the ball. But Jeff, the coaches, Coach Bulls and coach Areans have harped on that all off season and as recently as like two days ago, that that the team did a good job of making king turnover potential turnover opportunities, but they just didn't hold onto enough of them, right, and then you give them another play.

And that's why the Buccaneers led the league in passes defense over the last eight games of the season and maybe the whole season, and I think about it, but they were especially great in the last day games of the season, most passes knocked down, but they weren't near the lead for interceptions. You know, you want to close that gap. It's the same thing as like a pass rusher gets quarterback pressures or he gets sacks. You know,

he gets a quarterback hit or a sack. You want to turn as many of your quarterback hits into sacks as possible. But it doesn't always happen that way. So that's what he wanted. So what else we get, Well, it's we usually like to start with any hard news, right. The only thing we really have is that Kyle Love signed. The defensive tackle Kyle Love former actually came in with the Patriots, was a teammate of Tom Brad Panther, if I recall, yeah, for about five years and right up

through last year. Um, you know a good depth guy, um coach Day said he did. He was pretty disruptive. He's a really big dude, so I could see him anchoring. You know, the depth at DT isn't or d line as we call him, isn't that bad? I mean he already had suveya Goldston. Um, I think I said, I think I said I was concerned about the depth. You did, so you were perhaps right on that one. Rockie Nunaz or not Nacho is what we call him, who, by the way, I did not realize with such a trash

talker on the field. Apparently he was, like he's been the number one trash talker on the field. I liked. And it works because he also apparently plays like with high energy and it is all out on every play, which coach likes. And so if you're not also going all out, you're gonna get exposed and you're also gonna get trash talk to you. But the beauty of it is you can trash talk if you perform. That's the good part. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. I was never much

of a trash talker. And athletics you know what you are now, well, I know I can outperform you here. Well you think I have been very nice. Remember I am a paid professional, That's true. I've never been a radio personality. I've been on the radio. But you are, yes, what you are a a your personality in your own right. And buccaneers dot com, you started it. You were one of the original buccaneer butt dot com people as a writer and then transitioned over to video and now podcasting,

and that's the top of the mountain right there. Joff. Podcasting, Well, listen, easy to do TV because the pictures are being shown. Radio you gotta draw the pictures. Well. Plus I think I have a face for radio, you and me both. That's we have done this for some Did you see the very unhappy news about Jerome McCoy. I did, and um, that sucks. It does And interesting enough, I shot him at text and um, I just was kind of like, um, yeah, just like, hey, you know, I'm really sorry. Uh the answer, uh,

he did, he did. I Well, what what I basically said is, hey, man, prayers for you, my friend. That's what I That's what I sent him. And he came back and he said, j R. I'm great. You know, you know, there's always a plan. I'm gonna be okay. Yeah, and so, uh, you know, I just mean, no player wants to lose their season from it's certainly it's not. And I don't mean to hint that this is what you and he were talking about. But it doesn't hurt him financially. He still gets no no, he still gets

the nine million guaranteed that's in his contract. Yeah, he was, he was yeah, he was more. Um, it was more of hate. As much as I want to play, there's there's a bigger thing. And and and he did say he'll be back. Yeah, well I would assume so. So a ruptured quad from what I understand, that sounds painful. Yes, yes, I've had a quad that it hurts before, and that's bad enough, but the ruptured yikes. Well, and just the word rupture is and and their quads are a little thicker,

just say, you know, it must have really rupture. Yeah, I'm saying rupture too often. I'm beginning to not like the word anymore. Ugly word. So let's talk about some more buccaneer stuff. Cool, I'm there. One of the big stories that we knew would be the case in this camp is who is going to be the third receiver?

And uh, I should say I've been asked that question in mailbag several times over the last couple of months, and I usually start with a little bit of what I guess would be a little bit of a cop out answer, and that there isn't necessarily, at least at the beginning, going to be one guy. That's the answer to that question. You could use Scotty Miller. You could use Justin Watson when he gets back on the field. You could use Tyler Johnson or Brian Mitcheller. You could

have different packages for different guys. That seemed to make sense to me. And I've been writing that several times, and I was very happy to hear Bruce Arians say that same thing a couple of days ago. Made me feel like I know what I was talking about. That being said, I think most teams would like to be able to identify one guy like we had brush brush Ide Perriman in that role all year last year as your guy that takes the vast majority of your third

receiver snaps. And those guys are in the news every day. They're being talked about a lot, especially Scotty Miller and Justin Watson. You know, Coach came out the other day and said Justin Watson's having a great camp. Say he so here you got here. You got Justin Watson, who was kind of like Mike Evans sized, maybe a little

bit smaller. And then you've got Scotty Miller who came in the league get a you know, on seventy pounds seventy if you believe that height and um and he said today that he actually last year struggle at times not to dip into the one sixties because it's just a struggle for him to keep the weight on. So you've got Justin Watson here, he comes in about I don't know if they put a number on it, but but eight maybe eight to ten pounds lighter, and he

appears faster. He ran twenty one miles. Uh you know we know that because the catapult system. Uh the other day. And then you've got Scotty Miller came in with more um muscle and more weight. He's he's hoping to play this year at a hundred and eighty. So one guy got bigger, one guy slimmed down, and they both looked very fast. So coaches saying about Scotty Miller at his speed is showing up every day. And I can confirm

I've seen that. I haven't seen every snap of practice, but I've seen several Scottie Miller getting open deep plays. And see last year he was playing fast even though his technique wasn't the pest, and now is technique and so he looks even fast. You know what I love is when you hear a lot of black guys saying or maybe coach is saying, yeah, they just they know the game better, their techniques better, but you don't hear

the details. I like when occasionally from a coach, especially you hear a specific detail, like for today, Scotty Miller coach Kevin Garver was saying he's better at getting off of his presses because he generally because he's so fast as a rookie, his idea of basically was just trying to sprint around him to the outside. Why does every time um one thing you'd want to have variety and for the other thing that doesn't always work. So now he says he's Kevin Garver. You wouldn't think patients would

be something you'd want in beating a press. You'd think it'd be immediate, But he means patients, I guess and going into whatever his move is gonna be, setting up the defender a little bit and keeping him guessing, which is pretty cool. Makes the defender go one way where you're going to go to the other, but he doesn't know you're going that way. Is a little rope to dope. I imagine if every single time on the press, you so he's coming to the outside, but we do know

that happened. So I guess it's like anything else is the more you practice, the better you get. And they're very very high on on Scotty Miller when he was on the Salty Dogs. I just like, how can you not like this guy? I mean seriously, I mean just Once is a very likable guy, very much so, very much so. Bryan Mitchell, who's in the competition, might be the most likable guy on this whole thing. Guy know.

I so hope he stays healthy. Yes, um, yeah, that's what happened to Hi last year's having a good camp and the torn achilles in the preseason opener. Um So, Mike Evans was talking today and he was saying, how great Justin wants him looks, So it's not just one coach trying to talk him up. Um So, do you know, getting back to one guy putting on weight, one guy

taking them off. Kevin Garver said, both those guys came back in great shape and ready to work, so they had no problem with the acclamation period, and they have no problem once we get here start running and putting on pads, which is good because if you're slowed, then all your progress is going to be slowed, right, So, Um, some people had a harder time using that quarantine time to get themselves in whatever shape they wanted to be in, bigger, smaller,

better shape. But these two guys apparently had no trouble with that whatsoever. No, Scotty Miller was saying that, you know, whether you hang out in someone's garage or they come to your garage to to lift weights, you got to find a way to get it done. Yeah, you'd admire that. I mean, it's certainly hunger uh. And the fact that this year, I mean, this could this is career changing. This could be a career changing year for those younger guys.

But it's good. It makes you feel better because you come in with those with Mike and Chris and you know you're great at the top two and you just don't know how it's gonna shake out after that. But we're already starting to see some guys stand out, and that's good. Also in a very similar way, Um, Anthony Nelson is apparently doing very well. Um, he's done a good zoom yesterday, and he is another guy who is in a position where the top two are obviously among

the league's best. In shock and jp P and then everybody after that is very inexperienced, including him because he's played about nine eight or nine NFL games. From the midpoint of last season on he played sixteen snaps because he was out for all but one game. UM. So he and he doesn't have much experience, doesn't have a sack yet, although he did have a force pomo um. But they love what he's doing. I think he looks

great and they think um. Larry Foote said in in the attempt to replace what Carl Nassa brought to you that Anthony is the guy. That's the way he put it. He is the guy, but I mean it also is good to sort of He's not saying, well, you know, Anthony Nelson is a good candid, but we got all these other young guys too. He basically said, Anthony Nelson

is the guy. So they're expecting him to win that third spot in the rotation, which takes the vast majority of the snaps that the other two guys don't take. The fourth guy doesn't get a ton in most games. Uh. And he said everybody else is fighting for one bone. Now that would lead you to believe there's gonna be four outside linebackers on the team. I think what that probably means is four outside linebacker is active on game day because last year we car carried more than four

quite a bit. At the end of the year, we had six of them, but a lot of more in playing, you know. I think obviously Kazin got promoted. I think Quentin Bell might have got promoted, but they really weren't playing.

They were just there for depth. And if somebody I think this year is gonna be, you're gonna have to be really really good at knowing who to keep up and who to keep down because you just because of all that's going on, which I mean, but the only plus side to that, if you could consider this a plus, is everybody's in the same situation. It's not like just the Buccaneers that you're hoping that you know, you don't

have to move people up and down. I think that's just the way the league is going to be this year. There's just no other way around it. Hopefully less than more, but you've got to be ready for more. It's gonna it's gonna be like any season. When you think of injuries, there's always some teams that get hit a lot worse and some teams that are very fortunate And it's not really a surprise when the teams that are more fortunate with injuries are the ones at the top of the standings.

That that's a big part of every year. So just expand that to and fud COVID. Some teams are going to be more fortunate than others unless this crazy plan succeeds and it doesn't become a problem for anybody. Because right now the NFL is down to twelve players on COVID list. That's pretty darn good. Uh, next two weeks, that's what you think. Yeah, I think the next two weeks is gonna really be the tell of where we're

where we're at. Um. Teams are practicing, they're practicing with pads, there's no mask on when you're we're tackling with each other, and so in in that vein, um, you're really going to get a good feel for for how guys are doing well. All of those things like tackling each other and not wearing masks in the field are all normal in a normal year, and they are not anything to worry about if nobody has the COVID. So the point is you got to keep it out of the building

right and and being tested every day. And it looks good. But we talked about this yesterday. Aren't yesterday last week. We're not gonna keep going on it. It's what you do outside the building when you go home, and the people that you surround yourself with. And it seems like everyone's kind of you know a lot of guys yeah so far. Yeah, guys have young families, so they're really really concerned. So you see, you see it. I think

it's being taken seriously, and that's huge. You know when you look around, Um, it's interesting to watch what coaches wear masks and when they wear a mask, you know, depending on when they when you start seeing guys get close, you see the mask come on. You know. Uh. Very impressed with with how people have been treating it the last couple of days. The important thing is to take this virus situation seriously. Well it's a thought, kind of a mark, but it's a thought that those have been

good words to live by. Last March at the beginning of I don't have time for this. You know what political show, I don't have time for this will drive me nuts. Hey, you know this is my second show of the day. It is, so I just wanted to plug and make sure fans know that we're Yes, you're doing a big TV show live at Camp. I just

getting Camp law. Yeah. The interesting thing about Training Camp Live now is it's not just twenty or thirty minutes of Casey and I talking about topics and answering fan questions. We have a camera on the field. We like to show as much action as we can. We have to stop when they get the team action. It's just the rule. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna pull the curtain back a little bit. This is a this is a huge TV production. Dual cameras. Uh, you have a producer and a truck behind you. They're

doing remote cameras. And the really cool thing is you and Casey both have these little cool fans that clipped to the back of your shorts and blows cold air up there back. Do not feel bad when you're going, Wow, Scott and Casey really are struggling out there in that heat. It's still very hot. I'll be as got those. Your shirt in the back is bellowing like a sale. It works well for It works well sometimes and not other times. It was a very nice thing for Dan Roy to

get for us. Is the coolest twenty dollar item of every ever. So it's a little box if you turn on and fan blows air upwards and you clip it to your belt and then you're supposed to clip your shirt into it so that it keeps it out so that they and it works okay sometimes, Casey, I think it's worked better. I think she's enjoyed it. I didn't even put it on today. I just thought it was

funny when I saw him doing it. But it is a really cool production, and I think it's it's it's great that, uh, you know what coach is allowing it because everything we do, you know, football has to approve and and they're very gracious in that and the fact that you have a remote camera that you guys can go ahead and shoot behind you to give a little insight because people are used to being able to come

the training camp and they can't come. Yeah, and and we can't show them everything they would have seen it in all. But because that's the case now, teams are treating this more like regular season practices where they don't really want reporting of specifics on things that happened because and I think this makes sense because in a normal training camp, you would spend a good portion of your

camp really not game planning, but laying the foundation. Now, with the way things are, you can actually start preparing for your first few games a little earlier, and you could do some more specific game planning and honing in on the plays that you're going to use, and that. Because you can do that, it does make sense to restrict what is shown. If you're not putting your game plan in. Now, you're in trouble because there's three weeks out, and and and when you think about it, what's the

biggest game in preseason? Your third week? So this week would be the second week, and then next week would be third. So this is this is a totally different from a coaching standpoint. I believe they're preparing for at least two or three games. They won't they won't throw that on the players because they want to focus on the first one, but it will help them be prepared for game two. In game three, so let's Carolina, and then what game three? The rams um, No, it can't

be the No, it's Denver, Denver. I have to think it's away home. I knew it. There's away game, and I knew the rams were here, so it couldn't be the rams. Um. So a good call there on your part. So uh. And more on that. We also have highlight packages. We break for highlight packages, we show you some action from the day before. Um. We have graphics with numbers the case you know. I can talk about there's a lot that's going into it this year, so I encourage

people to watch. And unless it changes, it's every day from at the start of practice thirty and we go for about forty five minutes. It's checking out. You can watch on Facebook, you can watch on YouTube. You can watch it on buckeers dot com. But on the first two you can also send in questions. You can watch it on your app. You can watch on your app. I don't know if you can sit in questions that

way or not. No, you can't. But what I do is is I'm watching practice on the other end of the field, but I'm watching what you guys are doing, just in case you're throwing something out there that I don't know about today. Um Uh. Jason Turner, who helps us with the show too, was sitting there and he was kind of helping spot things because we're staring at the camera. And he pointed out that Claike Christiansen had the quarterbacks working with wet balls today, you know that

wet ball drill. He was soaking the footballs to make them throw wet footballs. Which I mean, we're looking out across this great lobbying out through that giant football. And what's it doing again right now, Joe, Well, it's raining and wait, what time is it? H two o'clock, So we'd be in the second quarter of a game, a one o'clock game right now, and this is like every day, or under some head coaches, we'd be getting ready to go have practice right now. But that's a whole other story, digress.

And we've had a lot of different We've had a lot of varieties. This one clearly makes sense. You. I am all about getting up and rolling in and getting your work done, getting the field, and by ten o'clock we're off and we're doing press conference. And gives you it, kids, fifteen minutes. I get your point. Yeah, it gives you time in the afternoon to do fun stuff like this. So I got anything else? I got one more thing to talk about. Go ahead one more. We're at about

the twenty one minute marks. So we have been asked. I think it was a question. I think it was one of these mail bad questions, asked about those catapult systems, those black harnesses, and we we did explain in general terms, total fashion things. Statement at all. Well, when you're Jordan Whited with your giant arms you walk out there. All I'll say I'll say about about that is Mike Evans was all excited because they think he said he was

running twenty one. That Okay, I'm sorry, I might. That's fine, that's fine. That's a good point because, yeah, Mike Evans says he had the fastest track time today, which is twenty one. So he was clearly proud of very much. So he didn't waste any time bringing it up, which I think is pretty cool that they that. Another quick aspect of that. Um, they also can tell you if you're working more off your left leg or you're right.

Let's just want to read my notes. Well, you're doing a good job, but you gotta remember I'm looking at the same press conferences as you are. I mean, I realize you don't think I absorbed very much, but I'm looking at the same stuff you are. But I'm sorry both here. I'm just rambling on. I don't know if Quiet who brought it up first. Maybe it was, but

I think it was Bruce. And then Mike also brought it up, and the coach said, they can tell you if a player is working one leg harder than the other one, and so they if so, And then Mike was talking about if if they tell you that, then they adjust your weightroom workouts, like maybe we need to

strengthen up this hip or so. That's incredible. It's what's amazing about it, And we talked a little bit about it last week, especially here is how much activity you are doing and how do we make it right because as time goes on, your body kind of wears down in the season is and so it's amazing that I

don't know who does the analytics on it. We've got people here, well I know there's people here, but I'm just saying, ye talk about talk about crunching numbers well as you, well you should as the top man on the total polled coach areans has it has its best because he doesn't have to break down any of the data. They just come and tell them we need to work is right, like a little harder, a little less. So this is where it gets kind of minority report. Is okay?

Seen that movie? Right? Great movie? Um he's going to recite a line now. It's an adaptation of a Philip K. Dick movie as a book, as a lot of great science fiction movies are, and um uh. In it, Tom Cruise, the main character is on a police force that predicts crime, so they call it pre crimes, so they are able to predict a crime is gonna happen and get there and arrest the person before he actually crime, which, if you think about too much, isn't really fair. And so

he ends up fighting the system. I think Colin Farrell is the guy chasing him. It's a very very good movie. Um. So they say that with this data they can tell you if a player seems to be imminent to having injury. Really, if an injury is imminent that I don't think that probably means that they'll be able to say, okay, Mike, Well, I don't want to use anybody's names because I don't want to change somebody. Bob Player player a Bob Smith. If he keeps going the way he's going two days

from now, he's gonna pop a hamstring or something. But they can say these conditions put this player of danger of injuries, and so they're predicting when a player is in danger of an imminent injury and and altering things so that it doesn't happen, which is pretty darn amazing. It's is actually mind boggling when you think about it. And but the other side is how excited the players are buying into it. Would well, sure, it's your livelihood,

Yeah it's Mike. Listen, you've gotta change this or you're gonna pull. And maybe sometimes they need to have it proven to them, you know. You know, Bob Smith comes back in and said, they told me if I kept doing that, I would pop a hamstring, and sure enough I did, and everybody else is listening, going, okay, we better listen to that. But you know, most players, the thing that they lock on is how fast was that going?

They do like that far. It can tell you how fast you're running, also how hard you are running, which I guess it's two different things. But see that's how they hook you. They give you the fun fact before they hit you with the hard stuff. I know how they work. Yeah, so Mike ran twenty one miles per hour day. Just Vin has hit that. Uh so everybody's really loved. I want to wear one. I think both of us, you know what, We're gonna have to work that out. So you reached the top speed of four miles,

I love. I'd love for both of us to wear it and see how fast we actually could go. Can we rewind to like police, I probably go pretty fast for about the first twenty yards and then that Hamiel pop big time. I got, I got. Uh. I did have John Zig time me in the four yard dash one time and my twenties. Would you do four nine? Pretty good? That's not pretty good for a guy at your size. Yeah. But then you have the guy we're

about to talk to today. I don't know what if you looked at up we're gonna I was looking up some stuff so i'd be ready for interviewing him and or talking to him. And he ran a four seven five at set the combine. Yeah, he said. In his interview after the draft, they asked him about Tristan Whorf's He's like, yeah, I saw him. I couldn't believe he ran fest because I think Tristan wearing like a four five. He said, I told himself, I don't run faster than

Tristan Worth and he did. He did. That's crazy. It's pretty good. So let's go get let's go get the zoom fired up. All right, let's do that. This is the end of our first segment, so goodbye the Salty Dogs and we're back here on the Salty Dogs Podcast for our second segment. And it's always our favorite segment

because it's when we get our guest with us. I continue to be Scott Smith and I'm still Jeff Ryan And the best part about this is that Scott doesn't talk as much, so that's the exciting part about and our guest today from the University of Nebraska defensive lineman Khalil Davis, rookie getting his first taste in the NFL. Kalil, thanks first of all for your time. But how do you feel right now? I know you've already had a really hot practice lifted weights. How are you feeling pretty good?

I'm I'm starting to get used to the heat, so every day is getting a little bit better. But that heat is no joke out here, So how much worse is it than Nebraska or Kansas City. It's like, yeah, six seven times work. I mean it's humid there, but the humidity here is is different. I was just gonna say, it's not the heat, it's the humidity. So, Khalio, you got drafted by the Bucks. I'm sure that was exciting and you and your brother Carlos were both waiting to

hear it. So you get drafted in the sixth round, right, and Carlos hadn't been taken yet. Now were you torn between hoping that he would You wanted him to get the experience of being drafted, which he did, but if he didn't get drafted, there was a chance he could come here. Yeah, there there was a so after I've got my name called, I had well it was a quick like as soon as it happened, I was like immediately back to him. So I was waiting on him

to get his call. But in between that there was some talk of like teams calling him and wanting him to come here or go to Miami to be close to each other. But um, thankfully, you know, a team took a chance on him and he was able to go to a really good programs. So Pittsburgh, right, Yes, sir, which is which is nice because he was born before you, but you get drafted before him, and now you're tied. Yeah. Yeah, so now we're just we're just plank feels just leveled

out a little bit more so. Now the question is, let's see, he's five minutes older than you. Yes, and and so you got drafted how many more minutes than he did? Let's say about there you go, you win. Speaking of Nebraska guys, you're now a teammate with and Domicken, Sue and Lavante David and and obviously those are superstars at this level. I mean, how much fun has it been to come and, you know, interact with those guys.

I'm sure you knew all about him before you got here. Yeah, it's it was definitely the first couple of days, like I had to take a step back and be like, man, like, I'm sitting with these guys in the same room, mom, interacting with these guys, like I really didn't know how to act. But in the first like after a week or two, they kind of started to say some things to me, and so he's been real helpful. I try to go up to him and ask him, you know, like it was something new I can learn from you

today and stuff like that. But he's he's uh, he's been helping me a lot, and he's been a good world model to watch and learn from. So I'm just taking a day by day and trying to learn and see from what those guys doing practice everything. What are you playing out there on so far? I know you've only had a few practices so far. But where are they playing you? Because you played all over the line

in Nebraska. Yeah, I mainly playing three tech right now, so but sometimes, like I'm in that range from a four to three and in the way our defense set up here, so I can go to three, go to a four, depending on what you're comfortable with all that. Yeah, I mean you you even rushed off the edge something in Nebraska, didn't you. Yeah? I did. I've played a lot of five tech and in college, so no, I'm

there's no where I'm uncomfortable on the line. So you're you're what about six one and so you've got old lineman six five and most people will go, well, that's that's your disadvantage, but you've proven that that is actually an advantage for you. Can you talk about that a little bit? Well, one. I'm like everybody thinks like it's funny, they say, because they think it's a disadvantaged for me, which sometimes it is. But a lot of the time

it's advantaged for me because I'm playing lower. I'm always playing lower than them, and I'm faster than most guys, so I can get around those guys quicker, and sometimes I can just rip right under those guys and get through. So it's a lot of the times if I play super low, it's hard for them to get to my chest and get to me, so I just gotta do a good job of staying down. But it's definitely advantaged for me when I'm playing low, really low. What you

what'd you run at the combine force of them? Uh? That is that around what your goal was? Did you hit your goal? I really thought I was gonna rhund like four nine. Wow, he nailed it. Yeah, my trainer he was. He was telling us we were running fon blasts the all time, so we didn't know. We were thought we were gonna run a five or four nine. So I heard you being I heard you being asked

about that right after your drafted. How's a guy as big as you have speed like that and a gilty and part of your answer was you played so many different sports as a kid. I think I remember swimming being one of them. We've talked about this before. We're I think Jeff and are both of the opinion that nowadays there's a lot of specialized parents often have their kids just play one sport and pour a lot of

effort into maybe baseball or whatever. Do you think maybe it's an advantage to let these kids play a lot of different things. I think it is one because you know, when you're like, you don't know which sport that you like it, and if you just, um, make your kids do one sport, they don't really know if they want

to do anything else. So I think it's it's just throw them in certain things and a lot of those things that correlate at some point and what they do, so um, you can you take things from each one and put it into football. So all those other things that I did, it helped me with the little things that as being a demon sup blind. So it was I remember swimming. What else was it? It was swimming,

um truck um. I did running in the discuss and chocolate um and swimming was a good part of that, but that was before I got to uh, that was when I was younger, eight nine and ten in that range. But all those sports helped me at some point. That's cool. It's it's early in camp. But what is the one thing that surprised you? Maybe surprisesn't the word, but what is the one thing that you went huh. I didn't

think about this for camp. One was the heat back then, Like it's it's so it's so bad here, Like if you think you're drinking enough water, you're never drinking enough, Like I constantly have to drink water to drink pia like girls. And the main thing is you don't want to get hurt. So I'm always drinking water, always doing that stuff. But the other thing I didn't think about was I didn't realize like how many like superstars I'm playing with four around wow, And it's kind of just

helped me, like, Okay, you're here with these guys. You know you can be just like them if you just put your head down work every day. So yeah, it's not always like this either. Um, there's a real sense that this roster now for the Bucks is really loaded right now, and uh, it's you know, it's obviously they wanted, we want a super Bowl. We've been to the playoffs in the past, but there's been ups and downs, and it just seems like right now this rosters as load

as as it's ever been. So I mean, that's got to be fun to join that, right, Yeah, it's definitely, uh find even just like see Tom Brady and um, all those guys just around here growing. Just seeing them around, it's like, man, I could I could be a part of this. I just keep my head down and work. So just just so you know, Scott and I've been around for for a little bit. We've seen a lot of buck in year football, and the last two days we've gotten a couple of oos and odds of watching

practice and we're really excited about this. So I can see where you're coming from. We only got you for a couple more minutes. I wanted to ask you real quickly. You know. One of the reasons we're we've been starting our podcast guests this year with with the rookies is the community here hasn't really had much of an opportunity to get to know you guys. Yeah, especially because of

all the quarantineing. Um, I think I saw that you are very interested in getting involved in community works, specifically with children. Is is that a question yours? Yes? It is. I love that's That's what I would be doing if I wasn't playing football or fishing. At some point in my own will work with kids and either whether it's a you know all scare or teaching or coaching, it'll be something of that. So you're a fisherman now, he says, he's a fisherman. So I got a brack and is

that a Is that a that's a grouper? Have you have you done? Have you done that? Go ahead? I haven't haven't experienced that that saltwater fishing yet, so I gotta this is the perfect place to do that. Well, well, we'll we'll we'll make sure you find a good place. What's your what type of fishing is your expertise? That's restaurant mostly. I love to fish from bad So he's a finessed fisherman. Yep, yeah, I see. Well, Jeff, you're

from Blue Springs, Missouri, right right? You're from Blue Springs, Yes, suburb of Kansas City, Yes, sir. Little known fact Jeff I lived in Blue Springs for a short period of time. So there's we've got that connection there. So when you laugh and really went up, so is that it. I was an intern for the Chiefs, for your Chiefs fan growing up. Come on, it's like, yeah, that's the best answer. Average. He looked at it. He looked at you, this guy. Come on, I do that all the time to him.

Come on, Well there was some great Chiefs back then, but that was a while ago. So anyway, Khalil, once again, I know you're in the middle of a very busy and uh an entiring day. So thank you for your time. We really appreciate it and we hope to get to meet you soon. Yes, thank you. The Salt to Dogs. Okay, we're back here for our third segment. As you can see, I I did away with the muted openings. Yes, I noticed this. It was just a one time thing that

was fun with Khalil. It was a great time, very nice, very and and thank we What so everybody knows is there's so many there. There are a lot of restrictions and the players are being really really gracious to figure out when they can do with the Salty Dogs. And it's in between basically their lunch. It's right after practice. Then it was today. Yeah, then he had to lift weights, and I think last week Deuce actually found time at the end of the day. Yeah and yeah, late late

in the day. So you know, we we appreciate them because the schedule is pretty tight. Yeah. And it gives and it gives you guys, you guys being you that are listening, an opportunity to do a little insight of our our new players. Yeah. I hope we get an opportunity to know them all a lot more in person that I can't wait. That's you know, it's funny. I that's the hardest adjustment I'm having is not the interaction with the players and and being able to develop some

kind of relationship with them. And an example was UM Sunday, I came to get tested and as I was leaving UM, cam Brake came walking by and we're social distancing the far away had I was. I really was, and we were basically young. But he was like, he was like, Jeff, you know, I don't see you around. What's going on? I go, I'm not in the t you know, I didn't make the cut. We can't go down and and

he goes, yeah, that really sucks. I said, yeah, that's the hardest part about building a relationship, and he goes, yeah, I said, but at least we have zoom, and he goes and puts his thumb down. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of zoom, and and it does make interviewing harder because you can't read body languages so well and so but but we do appreciate the guys absolutely, and hopefully we'll get back to personal. We also appreciate the fans who take the time to send in question and

we don't need to do zoom. We can just you just read the question. I'm gonna read these questions putting on these green glasses like totally don't see. Um, this is a very nice and brief question, all right. Uh. And the name sounds familiar, so I think in years past he might have gotten questions before. His name is Todd Birchfield, panasoft Key, Florida. Oh yeah, I remember that, which is in Sumter County. He managed to tell me here, really his name. His credentials are almost as long as

the question. One to three f nine words in the question. Okay, eight in the credentials very good, alright, salty ones. How are the place kickers looking so far, I'm gonna let you start because I haven't seen much of it. Have you seen any of it? Yeah, they were kicking today. Okay, was it while we're on the show. Um, No, it's near the end. Um. I came up a little bit early. They I don't think anybody missed. No, they No one

did miss and uh an interesting sidebar. We were standing there and someone goes, gosh, you remember when we never really paid much attention to whether the kick or could kick or not. That's really what you would like to do. You would like to be ignoring the kicker. But I mean everybody was focused on just watching, you know. Uh so, but they looked, both of them. They look good too. Everybody probably knows that one of those two is Matt Nick, who was the kicker last year and a two fifth

round draft pick. The other one is Elliott Fry, who I think he's been in Carolina maybe one other place. He hasn't kicked in in a regular season game yet, but he's he's been on a couple of rosters. Good. It was good. It was good competition and a lot of yelling and screaming and all they were doing that to him there they were. They were lining up and making I mean the real deal. Yeah I didn't, yeah, okay, and they looked up today, but yes I did not.

As if I recall correctly, no one missed today and they were moving him back and bade. The other day, I saw Matt Gay working by himself, as kickers often end up doing while uh the other players are having

them more fun on the other fields. And if you could picture a kicker with okay, so his foot is planted, his his plant foot is planted, and then he swings his foot through kicks the ball right, imagine taking that process down and breaking it into parts and then doing it over and over again, like the moment when your foot is hitting the ball on the ground. I think it probably hits the ground too. He just standing there doing it over and over and over again, just that

one part of the swing. And then he did another part of this swing, which I found interesting. I mean, I think that's a matter of trying to establish muscle

memory exactly. That's exactly You're standing there and do it this way ten times in a row, and then when when the heat is on your you don't even think about this is it's like a golf swing, and I do think he has a pretty simple and uh form and he's good at repeating it, which is really what you, I think when you need to poor Roberto Oguya, we don't want to kick dirt on on guy that struggled here. But he had a pretty complicated looking kicking, deliberate. It

changed every every kick. It was never the same. Yeah, and I think when it's more complicated, it's hard to replicate it, right. Yeah, And that was one of the things that even in college, they were like, you need to but he was kicking so well that you go, well, I guess that's how it works. Yeah, And I'm sure there are kickers that can succeed that way, but I

would think you're making your level difficulty harder for yourself. Yeah, but I would say right now like everyone, and and the fact that we're getting a question about the kickers just tells you where we're at with that situation. You know, it's a last year there was a competition between Matt Gay and the incumbent veteran um. That's the sound of me snapping my fingers. I can't remember. We've had so

many I can't The guy from the Chiefs. That's fine. Continue. Um, so he those two were competing, and if you recall, Matt Gay was fantastic in training camp last year, but um he was being matched kick for kick by this guy. I cannot believe. I can't think of his name. I can't either, And I know there's people listening to this. That's fine, you can. You're gonna email us the name for next week and we'll update you. I mean, we

could google it. I mean I think I bet it comes to me before we've even done here, or if I look it up. Um. So, anyway, this year it's the same. Now this time he's got competition again and it's Elliott Fry, not as established, but that really doesn't matter. You know, they're going to kick the guy that's that performs the best. But I think it is tougher for Fry to unseat the incumbent when you have no games, because and then, like you said, they're down there yelling

at them. They're trying to recreate a game atmosphere. But you can't really completely re recreate a game atmosphere or make the stakes seem that hot that high. So um, you know, and I don't mean really, I'm not singling out Elliott Fry. I'm just saying anybody in a situation like that, where you're in a headed competition trying to unseat the incumbent, it's gonna be harder this year without a chance to prove yourself in games, I would think. Right, So, uh,

we have another question from you know this guy is great? Um, you're gonna kiro Santos Santos. You know I was totally stalling them, trying to let it come to my mind. You know you know where I got that? From a website? Yeah, it's really cool. It's a guy named Scott Smith wrote a story about it. I got it right here. I'm not even I'm not even lying. It's your story. Scott Smith knows who it is. Thank you, Scott. If I

only knew now what I do that well there. But but in fairness to both of us, if you have to, that could be the ultimate trivia question. Name the kickers in the last four years? That? Okay, you got, Um, you don't have to. I'm just saying that you got Pat Murray. Do you have Robertoguayo, Connor Barth before that, who's the guy from the Bills whatever? Look at I couldn't remember last year, you know, next question again, I don't like I felt like Warren sapped there for a second.

Next question. Our friend from sal Paulo, Brazil, Alexander Um is very nice to send in questions a lot, and we don't get to all of them. But I thought this was a good one, Um, And it really isn't because it's a great question, but it is brings up a really good topic. As I listened to your New Newest episodes and you had a few questions, I couldn't help myself and had to make one of mine. What

have you thought about the new Pewter Bucks uniforms? I've just loved and congrats for whoever responsible getting back to the new old jerseys new slash old jerseys. I love them. I can't say anymore. I totally agree with those alternate Pewter jerseys. I think it's our best look. I hope we were into the accelute limit we can which you're

talking you're talking the Pewter on Pewter. Yeah, they are that that is that is a and no one else has that look and anywhere, no no confusing anybody else about eight if you but I didn't use my cough but I uh, but yes, I totally agree. I mean, I like all the looks. But if you have to, if you have to pick a favorite, that the Pewter on Pewter is my favorite. Well, like you said, it

is the newest thing. Because there are a lot of people and I think I'm among them that are pleased that we went back to the Super Bowl era look for the most part, Um, there are some stuff of this new stuff incorporated, but so it's pretty close to be in the Super Bowl. And I understand why we why there was a different look and we weren't the only team that a lot of the different and and you know a little I mean, this is my opinion,

there's a little bit of a look too. Is at one time it was um Reebok making your uniforms and Nike took over. Well they weren't going to produce just what another company was. So I think that played a lot in a lot of uniform changes. Yeah, try to push the envelope a little bit, try to do something something different. Yeah, um but I think I think going back, and I think going back was a was a bold decision to go back. And like you said, they did.

Around the time we did it, several other teams also kind of come up with what I guess you might call more modern looks. And now there seems to be a trend more towards going back to the classics, um which you've seen also, And like baseball stadiums, they they all became cookie cutter for a while and then and now they went back to trying to make them look like more classic ballpark. So I think people appreciate that. Every now and then people want to go back to

the classic. So yes, that's why they That's why they tune in the Salty Dogs a couple of classics. See what I did, There's a connection. So yes, the old uniform old slash new uniforms are great. I think it was a great move. But the Peter ones are the new thing and they look great, I think, and so I'm really excited about those. So alrighty, I couldn't agree. I cannot agree with you, Scott. I am incapable of

ingredient with Finally something I agree on with you. All right, This question, I have to admit, was not sent in specifically for Salty Dogs. He was sent in for the mail bag. And I will answer in the mail bag too, because I don't know if the person that wrote this thing is going to listen to the podcast and he deserved he or she. Let's see, I don't have a name here. I don't know if there was a name, but I didn't get it on this piece of paper. All right, Scott, and I'm gonna I'm gonna have some

visual aids here in moments, let me do. I was looking through best photos from Bucks training camp practice August six, and I'll stop here to say, if you want to see some photos. We do this every day. We are great photographers are out there and we're putting up a collection of really good images. And every single day, I think the one for day is already up. As a

matter of fact, they get it up pretty quickly. Uh. And found that I there were there were fifty six of them, and found the image thirty three out of fifty six very disturbing. I read them like disturbing. You know, somebody, somebody broke break a leg or something. He says, it's a picture of number twenty five and then in parentheses, I won't say the name to protect the guilty. Well, if you're gonna tell us the number. We're gonna know who it is, although I will admit there are two

twenty five on the roster track. One of them is a rookie safety named Javon Hagan. He is not the person being referred to here. The other one is Leshawn McCoy, the the NFL's leader in yards from scrimmage since two thousand and nine. A very accomplished player. And he says, carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. I know that's not what the coaches are teaching. He says, high and tight. That made me want to ask the question,

what do you sing in camp? That makes you think we'll see a reduction in turnovers and penalties this year? It'd be a shame to continue to waste all this talent with bucks beating bucks. Also kudos to the photographer on number forty five out of what a classic speed on speed who won? Thanks as always, And I didn't get the name, so I'll put the name in the mail bake. Uh So, starting with this Lashawn McCoy picture, do you see this? Okay, so you see what he's

talking about. There he's making a cut to his left, the balls in his right hand and he's got a kind of crooked along his arm, but his arm is separate from his body, so it's out here. Yes, that is obviously not the uh technique that a running backs coach would teach a running back. They generally want them, hear some of them like them more up like upright like this, do you want your point fingers over the point of the ball. You wanted to crook your elbow? Right? Yeah,

but it it as you're running down. You've seen every running back to this. It's every now and then the ball you do swing your arm. It's a balanced thing or it's I've read some I read up on this. I read some suggestions that and maybe he said this

at some point. That's why the author thought so that McCoy somewhat does this on purpose, because when you are carrying the ball like that, like when you're in the open field, you're defenders approaching, they see the ball out there, they focus on the ball, not your not your torso, and they go that direction and it makes it easier for him to fake him out. Could if he if he's going at that level, that's impressed. But could it also be that I'm standing up now to show you

is that he has it. Okay, he takes it. Could the photo be deceived, that's another thing, that he's in motion of bringing it in. It's possible. And so because when they click they're they're not like you and me. They go click, click, they go right and then they pick them exactly, And so could it be in motion photo photo? That's very true. You see it all the time.

It can be very deceptive. Sometimes the guy will have a look on his face, think he's piste off, and it's just because you caught him as his face writing right, that's possible. Although there isn't a quarterback anywhere in this frame that would have just handed him the ball. He might have caught it, you know, he might have caught it and is swinging around that that's conceivable. But on reading up on this, it is clear that Lashawn does some carry style um and you know, it's kind of

thing you were talking about with the kicker. If if you don't really love his technique but it works, you don't fix it. Or if a batter as a real funky batting stance, what's his what's his fumble ratio? Very good question, thank you. According to Eric I read career wise, it's zero point eight, which I mean I think means zero point percent of his carries, which is not bad. That would not indicate a fumble problem. As an example, it's a lower fumble per carry career wise than Christian McCaffrey.

Ezekiel Elliott, I don't think any of touching about them. It's pretty strong. Uh, that's pretty strong. Um he he. I think Lashawn had a couple of fumbles for the Chiefs, which was a very high profile team last year, and uh, I think they were just high profile. You have two fumbles that's all season. That's really not indicative of huge problem, although he did have a realtily low number of carries. Um.

But you they just they're glaring. You're like, oh, well he probably and then the next time you see him carry it like that, you're like, well that's the problem. Well. Also also in fairness there, I think the running back that they ended up bringing up was on special teams and and all of a sudden they realized how good he was. Damian Williams, Yeah, I think maybe in any case anyways, but yeah, he yeah, I mean it's pretty clear that there are times when Lashawn carries the ball

like that, and he's not the only one. So now you know, now during practice tomorrow, I'm gonna watch that. I am gonna I am I'm gonna focus on that. By the way, he references another picture the question did that he thought was great and point, I hadn't seen this one. I hadn't looked through this gallery. This picture is phenomenon. Can you see uh? Because you're very far away because the social distancing, it looks to me it's

definitely Jamal Dean who's diving, and I guess that's Justin Watson. Um, so Justin Watson. It looks like even full stride. It could be Scotty Miller, but that looks like a seven. It's it'd be easier to tell if you were standing straight up, because Justin is a lot taller than but he's kind of stretched out and it looks to me like just Jamal Deine is making an incredible diving past freak up and he wants to know who won that.

I didn't see this rep Personally. You can't tell because the ball is still hanging there, and maybe maybe the receiver did catch it. In any case, I will say that's an interesting question he's asking. But out of fifty six photos and asking who watched this, and that there's just so much going on at practice that a lot of times you're not looking, you're looking at different things depending on what you're I would take it as a compliment, Jeff. It means the question believes that in this case me.

But it could be you was standing there absorbing everything and remembers everything well, which that's not the case. But I think I would have rema ever this play if I had seen it. The photographer probably doesn't even remember it. What a fantastic picture. That it's number forty five out of fifty six on August six. If you want to check out some we've got some great We've got some good buccaneer shooters, there's no question. Yeah, and and action

photography that's not easy to do. Nope. So um, this is an impressive shot. And thank you for the question. I can't wait to see how you answer it in the mail bag pretty much the same way I just did, and I'll use some of your points to maybe give you a little credit. So that's it. That's our questions for the week. Fans. Remember we love your questions. You can send them into us at salty Dogs. Salty Dogs

at Buccaneers dot NFL dot com. There's two season two ease and Buccaneers only one in there's a U in there right after the B. Put it all together? Where do you got winning? Don't forget that dot NFL dot com part. That's the hard point. We just really have complicated emails here. But that's that's the way it is. Are you done? I'm done, Jeff, all right, I'm looking forward to the way you're gonna put it. Are you

done well? I don't know. Done down there? Well, I don't know because sometimes you know, like I don't know my questions you have. Now that's it. That's all the questions. And this is the third final segments. So if you'd like to take us out, since you did, thanks for listening. M