Salty Dogs Podcast with Dave Moore

They already Derek Bucks, dilready touchdown tamp a day, Derek Books, the most pariable player you're the national football like. Third is the Daggers in where are you Gonna Win the Super Bowl? We call them the Salty Dogs. Welcome bucking your fans to the Salty Dog Podcast. I'm Scott Smith and I am still jeff Ing, and I guess our first one went okay because I let us do another one. We're here and exciting them so ready to go. Welcoming in bucket your fans. Actually, you know they don't have

to be a bucket your fans. Anybody can listen. Maybe somebody stumbles across and thinking it's a cooking showers yep, or maybe like a Panthers fan, hate listening or fishing, fishing, salty salty dog. Speaking of fishing and salty dogs, are we're gonna have a fisherman and a salty dog a bit of his own, great fisherman. Dave Moore is going

to join us today. Yep, the long time tied in and long snapper for the Buccaneers, pro bowler at the end of his career and played a few years in Buffalo as well, and actually started his career in Miami. But we'll let him talk about all that when he comes on. Yeah, good stuff, you don't want to miss. He's got stories. Yeah, I'm told I've heard some before. Okay,

I've heard him all but previously. I should point out also that Dave Moore is on the radio broadcast, so you'll be hearing them calling correct twelfth season as a color analysts, and we have a lot of discussions. But this week it's been kind of a crazy week because of all the injuries. Yeah, it's like the first maybe you'll even days of training camp. I think our trainers were stealing money. They just didn't have much to do.

And uh, and then I don't know if the field was booby trapped or a bomb went off or something yesterday, because all of a sudden that training was full. I think, I don't think I'm exagering. Let I say, seven or eight guys left practice. You mentioned that, and I like, wow, But if you just go to the old line, well, yeah, that's the main problem. And as coach Cutter's pointed out, I don't know what it is, but the last few years, when guys get hurt, it tends to concentrate on one position.

Like remember two thousand and sixteen, Like the whole defensive line was hurt, and uh, we went to Carolina. We had basically the entire defensive line was injured, and guys like Davante Lambert and changing War we're stepping in and really and we won that game. It was it was pretty good. Next man, Yeah, that was definitely the definition of that. So this time it's the offensive line, and

specifically the right side of the offensive line. Um DeMar Dutson is actually doing a little bit more every day, so that's going in the right direction. I saw him running when they were doing gas. He was running. He wasn't running with everybody, but he was running on this well, and he's starting to take eleven on eleven snaps now, which they were keeping him out of it before were because people end up on the ground, and you know, he had the knee surgery and you don't want to

risk and tripping over somebody. And the other thing too, is it is it his training camp. It is preseasons, so and if you're if you're nicked a little bit, they hold. But then Leonard Wester got hurt who was taking his snaps dots and snaps, and then Cole Garter stepped in to take the snaps and he got hurt. Caleb Binnoock of the right guard has been out, although he came back to practice because our defensive line is beefed up so well that that's possible. Yeah, I mean, um,

the coach Cutters missed that several times. We see on paper this defensive line looks a lot better, you know, but we still are you still I'm still just a little nervous. I want to you know, it has to translate on the field, and I'm nervous about it happening.

But then I hear coach saying he stands back there, he's the guy that has to decide whether it plays a sack and to blow the whistle or not, because they're not gonna really hit the quarterback, but the quick the d line gets close and they want to sack, and of course the offense is no no, I got away from it. But he has to decide, and so he says he said the other day standing back there

watching that that pass rush is no joke. And for him to say something like that, you know, there's he's not volunteering that, he's not going to tip his hand on anything well, and he's not going to get too effusive in praise at this time of the year either. He know, and he offenses things like could come on Grimes. We've had five practices so far. We don't really can't really give you a judgment on that yet. But for him to say that meant something you know, you bring up.

Don't get too excited. It's very very early. But my takeaway from this training camp are our corners. I am truly excited about what I have been seeing. For for what it's worth, Um, you have Brett Grimes. What more can you say? He has a really practiced very much, but he's a veteran and sometimes I take that as what are you going to teach him? Yeah, he doesn't need any more practice. Um, but I think Vernon Hargraves

is stepping up. I think he's stepping up. But but the sleepers M J. Stewart, Well, I don't think you can call him sleeper anymore. Jeff makes him play every day in practice. What what's so funny about definition of sleeper? You're not expecting it to happen. You didn't expect it's a second und drop pick. I understand that, but I don't. Yeah, I always look at where you get drafted. That's just a grade, okay, because if because if if if if every time you drafted something like in the first round

or the second round, and they were all hits. I've been around here before. We drafted a second round quarterback of fe years back and Jonathan Banks, and he was a great guy. But you can't really say that worked out in the long run. It didn't really work on long you proved my play, I know. But we also drafted Brian Kelly in the second round and that worked out well, that worked very well. So anyway, Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm just quibbling, But You're right. M J. Stewart

has been fantastic. And what amazed me was you were the one that said name a day that he hasn't made a spectno play. It happens every day. But where is he gonna play? I mean, Vernon Hargraves is starting the slot right now, and if anybody's gonna unseat one of the veterans as the other outside guy across from burn crimes is probably gonna be Carlton Davis because he's playing outside and doing well. He's doing really well. That

was the next name I was gonna bring. M J. Stewart's gonna play this year, but it's not clear right

now the past to that playing time. And I don't think it hurts us to to have solid backups and keep people fresh, because if I were remember right, we struggled in the fourth quarter last year in games where you had the lead and it well and and the depth was tested as it is every year a quarterback, and if you don't have good depth and you're exposed pretty quickly, and you know there were games where guys were wide open. Uh so yeah, the cornerback depth is

something I harp on all the time. So That's why I'm not jumping on here. I like it. I like it, but because I can't wait to be proven correct. Let me get back to the offensive line, because the Bucks are gonna play game tomorrow UM in Miami, and they have a very unusual situation to deal with in the quarterbacks because you're trying to prepare, you're essentially trying to get two starters ready. Ryan fitzpet is gonna start those

first three games, so he has to be prepared. Jameis Winston is not going to be able to practice during those first three weeks while he's on his suspension, so if you're gonna get him ready, you kind of got to do some of that now. And then you got Ryan Griffin, who as nominally the third string probably wouldn't get a lot of playing time, but he's once he's one very much. He's one injury to to Fitzpatrick away from starting, so you've got to get him a little more.

And if you had two guys that kind of feel like our starters, you generally want to play your starting quarterback behind your starting offensive line. That's been the case. But we can't leave our starting offensive line out there for double their reps, So somebody, how much are you gonna play? James Coach keeps saying there's a plan, and of course there is. He definitely has a plan, but

he hasn't shared what it is yet. So beyond Ryan Fitzpatrick's starting tomorrow night, we're gonna walk into the game, you and me and every been in all analyists not knowing what to expect from the course the quarterbacks, that's one of the main things to watch, and the injuries to the offensive line exacerbate that problem and just make it's a complicating matter. I do like the fact that h Dirk Cutter has been putting Jamis with the second string so to speak, or your backups, or however you

want to call it. I like that. I like that thought process because if you're a great quarterback, you elevate the play around you, and so I kind of I kind of like that fact that sometimes you're not going to have your best guy in at all times, your old line and receive, you're not going to have all the all your stars, so to say. In there like that with the depth this team has a wide, wide receiver and tight end even when you're playing with the

second and third stringers. You're playing with some pretty good players out there. I think it's the offensive line that's little bar and more. I think probably the one position I think we're solid at his tight end and wide receiver. Yes, yes, I don't. I don't think anybody can really get into that now I want to do. This is kind of a let me depart a little bit from what we were just talking about, because I wanted to get to this before we finish this first segment. Did you see

the thing about the new sliding diving rule. I did, but I don't fully understand. Well, it's easy to understand from the standpoint of what it's attended for, and that's quarterback protection. So previously, if the quarterback wanted to give himself up and therefore not be eligibly hit, you know he's scrambling, but before he has to slide feet first,

and then the guys know not to hit him. But if you were to dive head first, which we've seen Jami's do plenty of times, you're still in play, You're you're gaining those yards, and so they they'll hit you. Well, they change that now. So if you are giving yourself up and you dive head first, it's the same thing. The play is still dead. They're not supposed to hit you, and it's marked from the point you started the dive.

So when you leave your feet, yeah, when you start your head first dive, they're gonna market back where you were is you started it. Is that just for the quarterback or is that for anybody? I think it can't be just for the quarterback, I think, And I asked coach about today and he was explaining that it's not that much different because you know, basically, like they're saying, if any're part of your body, like your knee or something that's down, you're not getting those extra yards anyway.

But the way I was reading the rule, it sounds like when you start to dive, you can't take the dive out of the game. You have to be able to what work done. Diving at a pylon and St. Louis fur touched on him and players do that all the time. So isn't there a gray area here where the ref has his side if he was diving for gain or diving to give himself up interpretation, and that's going to get us in trouble. That's what I'm worried

everybody's worried about the helmet rule for good reason. In any new rule where it involves something knew that the referees have to interpret on the spot, and it really wouldn't be open to review if it's their interpretation, it's not gonna be open to review. When we had the refs here, right, uh, they'd come in and have coffee and get ready to go out. And I had a couple of conversations with them, and they're doing their homework.

They really are working hard, and it's it's an interesting dynamic because if you talk to them as a group, it seems like the message is the same, but if you talk to them on an individual basis, no, no, I'm just saying, interpretation will always be And so so if you have this one crew and they they believe this is the way it should go, but you have another crew and they think this is the way to go.

So now you're gonna be looking at games and instead of looking at starting quarterbacks, we're gonna be looking at who the officials are and you know what you can do to know what you can do, And that's true with the helmet rule too. It's gonna be it's gonna be strange. But I don't like this diving rule. And I don't understand why a quarterback would want to die

head first rather than slide feet first. If they're not gaining any more yardage by diving, because it's gonna be spotted where he starts to dive, Aren't you putting yourself in more danger? Because sometimes even though you give yourself up, players still hit you. They might get a flag. So if you're if you're sliding feet first, you get hit, it's gonna be it's gonna be worse if you're diving head first. Right, Why would a quarterback choose to dive

head first to give himself phone? Not a smart player, because now you're gonna get helmet to helmet, whether it's intentional. And these guys have been trained all their life to know, Oh the guy slid his feet, you know, pull up, fly over. But if he dives head first, I'm hitting the guy. And it's gonna be hard for them to not do that in the moment, at least at least for a while. It'll be fun. The first few preseason games. I did watch the Hall of Fame game, and I

didn't think penalties were that bad. I's you know, I was, and I was mainly watching that game just to see how they were going. And there were three of those helmet calls and one was. Two of them were pretty one was a little. But I mean you can you can live with one call and that's a little if so now it is as the rules changed. Of course, it's all for player safety and what do you understand that?

And that's very good. Everybody agrees with that, just like you know, you notice that we had Rhonda and Davon here the last two weeks. I did what you did, not that you're very observer, Jeff. Nothing's getting by. One of these days, we're gonna we're gonna put together a real good podcast. Um. And we asked them about training camp because it was so different in their days, and both of them me like, but it's for the best.

I mean, they're not they're not saying all these young kids today they're so soft, they don't know what they have to go through. Well, they're not saying it on our body, but I've been around the block a few times. But they are acknowledging that it's this trend in the right direct, Isn't isn't that the way it works, no matter what generation, no matter what next one. If you ask me about broadcasting, kids these days, they don't have to deal with tape and razor blades to do edits.

They automatically can do it from your desk. You're not in a big student, you know. No, I'm still too young to be worried about the next year. It wouldn't that far But it wouldn't that far ago. You may, you may. These writers today are so soft. Yeah. Remember remember when you used to have a cassette machine to do you know, I had to do your quotes than digital I have to. I used to have to chisel out the game notes on a slate. Now, honestly, I will say this my first year I was a PR

guy here. First, my first year in ninety two was the first year that we started doing the roster on a PC. Before that, Rick Odioso, the PR director at the time, would type the roster on a typewriter, so anytime you change the roster, you had to retype the entire thing. I also, I also remember, and it's not that long ago, it is and it isn't. But um, would you get your game book whirling? Yeah? You spun it, you know, like when you're in third. It was fast, yes,

but it didn't print very well. But it was heavy too, Yes, yeah, that was those were the good old days, right, what do you think you Yeah, our next guest, and well, let's let's finish up here and do a real quick segment because we always do our second segment and remember that time, you know where we kind of reminisce. Okay, and and then we'll bring in Dave Moore. All right, okay, so we'll be back in just a minute. The Salty Dogs. Welcome back everybody to the Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm Scott

Smith and again I am me Jeff Ryan. If you think if you don't know my voice by now, then forget it. That's a good point, um, So Jeff, on our second segment here, we always always, I say always. This is the second one we've ever done. We shall so we shall always do a remember that time. And it's sort of related to the team we're about to play. Last year. Last week we just did training camp. So we're playing the Dolphins. So give me a dolphin memory. The best dolphin memory I have is, first of all,

I don't I don't enjoy um. The stadium is a broadcast. The stadium is really beautiful, and for somehow they managed to build a beautiful stadium and make the broadcast booth the worst in the NFL. Yes, I sent it down if they actually surpassed the Oakland College to see him, and that's not easy to do. It's just very cumbersome. You're in the corner, you're on the opposite side. It's it's very compass. But that's now. But in nineties seven, we were on the fifty yard line. So I'm going

to give them props. At one time they had it right where. This must have been in the preseason because I played Miami here. It was well then, it was part of that maybe you know it was. It was a game in it was in the mid nineties, all right in the middle. Let me back it up. We were winning, so I would say nineties in there and it was pouring down rain, just had all this, okay, all this rain, all this, I mean, just nasty, nasty nasid.

The game where Jamie Duncan intercepted the past. Thank you, my years are running together, but Jamie, Jamie Duncan intercepts the past and runs it back. That's part of the story. This is part of the stuff than you're like a season broadcasting. That's what a partner does. Appreciate it. So Jamie dunk you want to tell the story. That's all I got. Okay, So Jamie duncan it makes the interception. Uh,

and he's running down the field. Gene decker Off jumps up and the booth has glass, and he jumps up and he is as he's describing the play, he's on the glass. And when we score you, he's going touchdown, talent, and the glass is going like this. And and at that moment, I realized how involved Jane gets into a game and how excited he gets in the game. That's the best Miami story I have. And we did win that.

We did win that game. Grammatica made two field goals and the game you bring up was part of the five. Yes he was hearing. The thing about that game that was interesting was the Bucks did not punt a single time. I know, and that's only happened a couple of times in team history. Uh. One time. It happened way back in the early nineties when Dantus Against was our punter and I was a young pr guy. Uh. And going through the locker room thinking I'm funny, and I said,

dann uh, pretty easy game for you yesterday. Huh. He did not think that was funny. He didn't think it was I thought it was harmless. I remember he gave me a very sarcastic At least you did say you don't have to get your uniform cleaned. Yeah, right, exactly. So yeah, I mean, we don't want to spend a lot of time on us because our guests is going to have a lot to reminisce about, especially because he

has Miami connections too. But I remember my first year here, we went down there in the preseason and it was literally like right after Hurricane Charlie had pros like the deck day or two days later, and you're driving down the road and most everything was dark, nothing was open. There were trees across the road, and it felt like you were in a what you were in a disaster

zone to some extent. And I just remember because it was like that might have been my first road trip ever in the NFL, and we went down there and it was that's stuck with me ever since. Not a fun trip. I am not a that's that's not one of my favorite favorite road trips. But uh well really yeah,

it's quick though it is. It's quick. It's easy. Remember one time with Sam with Tony dung Jew we went down there in the preseason on the same day we didn't go the night before, Gret we flew in and then dating stay at Hotel yep, and then that was weird. We'd also did death for Jacksonville one day. We did it by bus by bus. That's right, all right, Jeff. Like I said, our next guests will help us with all this reminiscing and also maybe give us a little bit of how he feels about the team right now.

And that's Dave Moore, the long time tight end and long snapper. And we'll be back just a minute with Dave the Salty Dogs. Welcome back to the Salty Dogs Podcast, our second onever. I'm Scott Smith and yeah you are and you and you are. I am Jeff Right, And we had to screw our chairs apart a little bit to uh fit another guy in here, the guy that

Buck fans know very well. And I think he's here because he just couldn't get enough training camp, Like you missed training camp, right right, Dave not so much, not at all, not even a little bit. Now. Yeah, you when you retire, you missed the guys in the atmosphere around training camp. You know, the conversations in between, the constant complaining about how your body feels and how to coaches at Germany everything else. But uh, you don't miss

the soreness. And you know things have changed obviously because of the c B A and things like that on structures of practice and how many can have. But you know, when my first year I got drafted by the Dolphins and we were full pads every morning, and then from one to two thirty was helmets only, and then four

to six thirty was shoulder pads and helmets. It was three days and really two in pads per day, which you know is a little bit different than it is now, and rightfully so, I think obviously it's a little The key is to be healthy on game day, not beat to death from five weeks. So you stayed with the Dolphins through training camp? I did. I was with the Dolphins and at the end a training camp. Um at that time it was a forty five man rostert man roster. Yet this is way back in so you know, really

today it's still the same. You can drast forty six guys, but you can carry fifty three on the roster. At that time, it was forty six guys, but injured reserve was only four weeks long, so guys would kind of come on and off of the roster, come on and off a practice squad. And at that time I had beat the backup tight end, uh was Greg Batty. He was a Stanford guy, but he was a starting long

snapper behind Phararell Edmonds. So Don Shula when he let me go, said we gotta put you on a practice squad and then, uh, you know, you need to be available and ready. You gotta sit in installation meetings and a game plan because if um, Pharrell Edmund and start tight end goes down, we're gonna activate you to play tight end, but we can't keep you on the roster because we only have forty six spots and that backup

tight end happens to be to starting. Well. Yeah, well, college head coach told me, uh, probably my junior year that I could make myself more valuable if I learned how to snap and that pit we had a full time snapper, um, and that's all he did, so I learned as kind of the emergency guy for that, and I you know, and I snapped at the combine and

I snapped that workouts for teams. And Mike west Off was the longtime special team coach down there, and when he came up the pit, he had me snap and told me, you know that he thought he could help me, um get better at that. And then once I got drafted down there, we worked at it. But I was at that point I wasn't good enough to beat the guy that had been there, so I got kind of got caught in the numbers thing a little bit. And then uh but I hung out in Miami pretty much

for the balances or the most of that season. I've heard this story and I love this story. It's a great story. So oh you love it because it was entertaining. Yes, it's pretty mortified for me. It's it's a great inside look. You know, this is way before a hard knocks, So UM tell that story that faithful day when Don Shula called you into your office. Either first of all, the the the entire training camp down there was kind of

thrown off by Hurricane Andrew. So here I am down here, I am trying to learn what I'm supposed to be doing, be where I'm supposed to be, be at my three practices a day, and stay out of trouble. And then we get thrown completely out of whack because St. Thomas University. So last year their camp was down there. Um it was all glass at the dorms and everything else. So after the hurricane, we had to relocate everything to the stadium. We were off for three days because there wasn't power anywhere.

And then you know, we're getting ready for the last preseason game, and there's all kinds of stuff going on, and I'm trying to continue to do what I'm doing anyway. We get to the fields, we get to get this dancing quite nice. We get we get to the final cut day and you know, uh, we had a meeting at you know, ten o'clour, one o'clock in the afternoon. So I guess they had all their meetings and decided

to do so. When I was I stopped the burger King on my way to to the facility to the stadium, I guess, so as I get my stuff together, I have a cheeseburger in my hand, on my backpack on and I'm walking into the locker room and you know, of course they always have the grim Reaper guy running around. So he's like, he comes up to me and I'm literally have a cheeseburger my hand and my backpack on. He says, coach, all, I wants to see you, so

obviously I know what's going on. So I walk in again, still got the cheeseburg in my hand and my backpack on. I didn't even take my backpack off. I sat down and he said listen, and he explained to me that, you know, we we need to keep you around and available in case some happens. A fair headman, but Craig baby's a starter, and you know, we're gonna keep an extra linebacker rather an extra tight end, and we're gonna cut you. We're gonna let you clear waivers, and I

want you to come back tomorrow morning. So I said, okay, and I took a bite of my cheeseburger. That was a mistake. He stopped and looked at me and he started to, you know, kind of fuss, and he was like, you know, all the years I've been coaching, I've never cut a guy. I wouldn't even stop eating his cheeseburger for five minutes to let me finish my car. We you know, I was a nervous wreck. You know, you're

I am out of college. That was really the first full conversation I ever had with Don Shula And this

is literally comfortable. What's what's it? What's funny is you know, a few years down the road, Mike shula Um comes here as the offensive coordinator and he brought you cheeseburger and no and no. He walked up to me one day and says, you know, I was talking to my dad the other day and I told him who was on the roster, and he said he was the only guy I ever cut in the history his long Hall of Fame career that wouldn't stop eating his cheeseburger when

I cut him. So this is actually a pretty memorable story for Don Shula. He remembered. It was three or four years later and he remembered, well, he was mad. He pretty much threw me off his office. If that would have made a good for hard knocks, like, yeah, it was a nervous track. I didn't know what to do. I said okay, and I took a plight and then he got mad. Did you think you lost your spot completely when that happened. I wasn't sure when I came in and peeked around the corner the next day to

make sure my locker was still intact. But then the rest is history because you spent fifteen years in the league. So yeah, it was pretty good cheese. There were some guys that got injured along the way, so I got activated and deactivated, and then off the practice squad and on the practice squad, and then uh, I came hearing about November or something, right I did. I came right the week before Thanksgiving. UM, and my agent UH left the message on when a machine saying I had to

catch you should tell you who your agent was. This another crazy story. Bruce Bruce Allen was his first agent. His assistant Eric Mens. I can write a lot of stuff. I can't write this. And then John Gruden was that pit with me as a wide receiver coach, and so as Mike McCarthy. So was Marvin Lewis, so was John Fox. They weren't all together. But over to my four year period, you thought we would have a better team. And who

room and who did you room with? Miami? Miami? At Miami when I was at that dolphin training camp I was talking about Doug Peterson was my room h Doug Peterson was in my apartment one time? Why you brought him? I did you? You came to a party I had when I was three, and you and him came to my party, which was the weirdest thing ever. Well, that's good. You just you didn't stay validated my connection. I'm sort of thinking you probably should have had better friends than

the third string pr guy in come along. You recruited me for your softball team, that's right. That was really one of the greatest players. The best story with with Dave and how Dave and I ended up having a

relationship is that we weren't very good. When we say we the Buccaneers weren't very good in the beginning when when Dave first came and we do live interviews from the locker room, and whoever was the locker room guy reported would be in my ear saying no one wants to talk, which you understand, you have a lot of defeats. It's not going well, and I would say just go to Dave Moore davill talk, and Dave didn't. And now he's on the radio. Yeah, and the long stepping thing

worked out too. That actually is how you got to the Pro Bowl, correct, And that was Paul Hackett was the head coach at Pittum that recommended that I do that, and that's something I continued to do. I did it as an emergency guy with Sam which Um and then when Tony Dungee came in, Um he let ed Brady go. Yeah,

you just let him go. And the first mini camp he said, you're the snapper, and I'm thinking that back in my mind, does he does he not realize I never snapped college and I haven't always been the emergency guy. I think it's funny because I took him fishing a number of years later and I asked that question. I said, did you realize when you just gave me the job as a snapper that I had never snapped in a game like in college or the pros? And he stopped

fishing and looked over. He goes, I had no idea. So I was like, I'm glad I didn't tell you. But you know, you know when I was playing tighty, you know, Jackie Harris was the starting tight end and I was more of the h backdowns with Mike Shula. So I was still on special teams full duty and playing tight end, and then Jackie had a series of

injuries which kind of made me pretty much play. I think I played eighty three downs in the playoff game against Cream Bay up there, and I was about you think I was about two thirty five pounds trying to block Reggie White. So your your Pro Bowl came after the two thousand and six season, and that was your last NFL game ever. It was You know that there's three other Bucks who say the same thing. Their last game NFL game ever was a Pro Bowl. It would

be and Lee or Summon. I didn't know that blanket on the other one. I question. We always tease, We always tease Dave Tony Mary oh nice, nice. Yeah, we always teased Dave because, um, when Dave played, of course you were you were a he man when you played. And now sometimes guys go out very quickly for good reason. Business decision, business decision, right. But it was funny with with Dave. Is uh you played with a collapse long? Yeah, obviously I didn't know right right right, You had to

know what you weren't breathing. Very Yeah, there's no question about it and then you ended up three days in the hospital after the game. That's terrible. They put it just to be in for seventy two hours. We don't need to go down that road. But yeah, I took a shot from Ed Reid, that's who was. Yeah, he got me right, We're I had no pads right, had my arm out and he caught me underneath it, and I thought I just knocked a wind out of me. I'm like in there and I'm like waiting to breathe,

and I'm on the far sideline. You ever watched your trainers come out like they're not sprinting there, They're taking their time jogging across the field. And I didn't start breathing until Todd TORSELLI got to the far sideline, so and I needed to breathe. I just ran down the field and I'm seeing spots. I thought I was gonna pass out, and then all I started to breathe real shallow. So when we got to the sideline, I was, you know, sitting there and they're like bears. I heard on like

the whole side, this pretty much my whole side. And I leaned over and I spit and there was blood and I said, I said to Dr v Jack, I said, I didn't get hit anywhere. I could be bleeding from my mouth. So he's like, you got to get the next ray. So then I went into the tunnel and we had Deaco Senior and de'ako Jr. Looking at my X ray and they're like, I don't see it. I said, good, help me get my beds on. They're like, no, no, no, no, you see your left long You're right long. I'm supposed

to be right there. And at the time when they said I don't see it, lung or something. Yeah, I didn't know they were looking at a well, that's why their doctors. And if as a player, there you go, there you go. So before you go, did you ever get caught up in the prank wars like with All Star Jet That, yeah, Jeb Terry, there was another guy, can't remember his name. He had a tattoo of Italy

on his arm. Him. No, he was a defensive lineman. Anyway, he's from Wisconsin, I think, And anyway, yeah, but Jeff Terry, like you know, as an older guy. Wait wait, wait, wait wait the Italian guy with Italy are they what stories that it's the same thing with the prank story. You know, like these guys Mike all Star would tell Jeb to go get him a Gator eight or something.

That's an older guy at the rookies, you know. And uh, and then Jeb being a smart al, he draws a map on a piece of paper from Mike's locker to the cooler where the gatorides are. That's that's fine, you know. So uh, you know Jeb, Mike, Well, Mike and I on the way out of the parking lot took the hood of his truck off of his car when he was in meetings, off of his He loved his loved it. He all talked about was his truck of spotless. So we went took his keys, popped the hood, disconnected. It's

it's amazing how quick need tools for that. Mike, Mike had a for everything, you know what I mean? I mean, Yeah, we left Paul Kelly's car on box was colors and we hung him over to go post but with Yeah, we took his hood and then we put it on you know, the lock of the old lockers. So he came out like it was in shock, was freaking out that we were messing with his trucks, and then of course he turned around and got plywood and a ton of screws and screwed our lockers shut so we couldn't

get their equipment. I don't know what, kid, you could do that now. I mean, I wouldn't go drilling holes in this facility. The other one nobody even noticed, probably made it look better, perforated a little bit. Well, you'll

be ready to go down to Miami day. What you're looking for in the first preseason game, Well, I think you know that there's a lot of consistencies early in preseason, so the mechanics getting on and off the field, with substitution, with special teams, and you're dealing with a lot of guys, um and from a player mentality, it's all over the board because the guys that are coming back or you know, basically going through the mechanics of pregame, going out, warming up,

and depending on you know, your position, if you're starting, if you're not, it's a little bit different, you know, but you want to see good tackling on defense because it's the first opportunity canna have at the tackle live. Um, when you evaluate the young guys, you try to keep it very simple offensive defense, very vanilla, so that they understand what they're doing, so that you can fairly evaluate them. Nobody can play full speed if they don't understand what

their responsibilities are. Um. But the thing is just to be clean. You know. You get a lot of those penalties, a lot of sloppy play early on, but there's there's things that are going to improve as you get that game speed uh play leading up to the regular season. So you know, for some guys, a young guy trying to make a statement, you're enevil to be going to see a late hit because of his you know, will to want to make a play rather than play within

the rules of the game. So there's the late hit, there's the you know that, the stupid penalties holding you know, so you just want to avoid the sloppy play. You want to be Chris. We want to see the first team, if they're out there at all, just execute the play as well. But from the buckstandpoint, you know, what we're looking for I think personally is just better play and the offensive and defensive line. You know, I think we struggled running the ball when we needed to. We struggled

getting to the quarterback when we needed to. And you know, if you look at the last two Super Bowls, you don't think pass rush defense is important, you know, getting to the quarterback and limiting the time they have, and then ball control and offense. I think Jamie's I think any quarterback you put that back, there's going to be a better quarterback when they have the ability to run the ball. Well, look forward to having you back in

the broadcast booth with twelve. Looking forward to a twelfth season. Yeah, so there's overall with the bucks and one compass in your own. We're getting old scot you both. That's why we're called the Salty Days. I think they called us that because we're old. We figure that out. I figured we swear like drunken sailors, and that's why they call

us that. But that's a whole other story. They appreciate you know, you're only our second guest ever, so you're in a very special club, right right, Who was the first day? Yeah? That's all right. So well we appreciate we appreciate you taking your time for more resources. The insurance business, I know is pure excitement. Yeah, so, but I appreciate you taking the time out and sign a few policies on your way out and he'll be good

to go. Absolutely. Thanks, thanks, Thanks guys, the Salty Dogs welcome back bucking your fans and anybody that's stumbled across us by accident. Yes, as we were talking about earlier, we're glad you're joining. We're in our last segment here and um, we're going to answer a fans questions and I'm operating blind because I have not seen any of these questions. It's not fair. I have to I do, especially for the sect you so enjoy, when it's not for I have to level the playing field somehow because

you've got all the technical expertise here so far. So turn up my base, Jeff. I'll say this is if you're hearing us, I did the job. Continue so um and if you're not, then nobody will ever know Dave left his glasses. Um okay, So uh, as I said last week, and are you can send uh emails questions to us at It doesn't even have be a question. You can just insult us or something whatever you want to do, Salty Dogs at Buccaneers dot NFL dot com. Uh,

you know we're just getting started. So that mailbox was not exactly jam packed this week, jof, but I did get two questions, so chance that if you sent me a question, it's getting read here today fire away. All right, Scott and Jeff, thank you for bringing us the podcast. Three exclamation points than love it and all things Buccaneers. Awesome show and great interview with RB twenty. That would

be roddey for him as well. My question for the next show is could Alan cross step into a position of being a battering ram the way that all Stott was for us. He seems to be very talented and pretty stout. Thank you, Michael Cameron. I wonder if he'd like being called stout. He is stout, though I feel like that's sort of a coded way to say big. You know, he's you're, you're your child is a little stout. Well back in the day you would say he's husky husky.

He's not husky, though, I think stout is a better word. Yes, he's a well put together guy and a surprising and good athlete. Not surprising, he's in the felt, but he's good. It seems like he's good at everything. I could actually see him if you wanted to say that role of Mike call Stott. I could see him doing that. See, I don't think so. I think that's basically gone from

the NFL um not big backs in general. But when you talk about Michael Stop being a battering ram, he talked about him being a battering ram around the goal line with the ball in his hand, not not I mean he did lead block. But what do you think of what was Michael starts great strength? It was running the ball and his incredible balance and the fact that he could against Cleveland would he have break eight tackles? And I think he had unbelievable look like a pinball game.

Well and sometimes and it happened on that run he'd get hit from the side and he'd used the hit. He was he was starting to fall down and the hit would help him get back up because he had just for such ridiculous balance. I think that's the most underrated thing about Everybody thinks about Michael Starts power, but it was his balance. Let me rephrase it. Then, if Alan Cross played when Mike all Stopped played, yes, would he be that kind of guy because he's not. He's

never been a ball carrier. I mean that I'm aware of. And I think if you if you take a guy who's not been a ball carrier and just ask him run the ball every now and then you're you're playing with fire. That's when fumbles happened. So I don't see I would say, yes, he is and can be a good lead blocker, and that's what they're using for um, but I don't see him being and I don't Mike also, and he's one of the funniest guys on the team. He's got great stories. We should have him on that

just and then we will ask him that question. Yes, okay, second question and the last thing we're gonna do you here on the podcast today, Yo, salty dogs. I listened to the first podcast, and yeah, I think salty dogs means you're old. I guess he's right, all right. I mean you guys were telling stories from the Sandwhite era, kind of dating yourself there. So I don't remember what we talked about. Oh I talked about him yelling mouthing at would you would you not just say we enjoy history,

we you know, we lived it. Unfortunately, well there's that, but we also could have read so so anyway, okay, I think he's through in salts now. So anyway, dip into all that old guy knowledge. Okay, there's another one, and answer me this. If you were going to take a cross country road trip with three buccaneers from any era, who would you have in that car? If they passed onto the big pirate ship and this guy, you can still choose them. Unfortunately, there's not a ton of people

in that category. We'll say we're bringing them back for one last hurrah. I guess you can choose coaches too, But this is a long question, but that seems too easy. I mean, I'm guessing Groden could tell stories for at least two or three states. That's a good point, So maybe try to keep it to one coach if you choose one. Also, what kind of car are you driving? Thanks?

I sure hope there's a second Salty Dogs episode or this awesome question is going to go to way so well there is, So there you go, Dave, so just David. In fact, it says Dave, just Dave? Is is it three guys in the same car? Are you and three guys in the car in a road trip? See? That's hard because I am friends with some people that would not get along with who I am friends. You're thinking about the inter personal? Really something about I mean, I'm

thinking about if we're all together. Um, one of the guys that I would would go with on a road trip because I have this is across the entire countries. You're gonna be like three or four days with these I've been. I've been on a boat in the in the middle of the yeah, and the dry Tortugas with Dave Moore. It's true though, if that's one, well he did, he did. We didn't even get to all the stories

right now, so you're right, that's good. Now he would he would be one, um, And I know this, And I could do a road trip with Warren Sap and laugh all the way and have a great time. But you wouldn't get a word in edgewise. It doesn't matter. I would still you don't want to do some of the talking. I don't know. I think he could be a bit divisive. Well, be hard for anybody else. Well that's why I said, do you you know, if everybody together? But but if I out of my relationships, so you

gotta try it. Though, you're gonna put David and Warren and who else in the car and also what kind of car are you driving? And I would take Tony Dungee with me because Tony would nullify Warren and and then it would all be good in the middle, and then we could be and Dave gets along with everybody. So then so yes, my three would be Dave Moore, Warren Sapp and Tony dunk Well. It's gonna be an interesting conversation, I can tell you that. And what kind

of car are you driving? It's got to be something big, I think. Yeah, I would have to be like a big old Lincoln. Yeah, that would ride smooth all the way across the Probably since we're gonna be old guys, I'm gonna go way back, like a sixty three Lincoln with suicide doors. So google it if you want to know what that means. Yeah, I'm I might not pick a car because I clearly don't know if the carnology to do. Okay, So I liked to Dave Moore. I

had him on my list too. Um, if I had a coach, and again we can pick somebody posthumously, Um, John McKay. I never never really interacted that much with John McKay. He was obviously not the coaching but he's around sometime because Rich was here. Um, but from what everything I've read, he sounds like he'd be hilarious. See now now that you say that Rich McKay is a Rich McKay is very funny guy. So he would be

a great road trip guy. I'm just taking I'm you know, I'm John McKay is back with us, and he's on my he's on my road trip. And another guy I bet you wouldn't think I would have thought of his And I mentioned him earlier when I was talking to Dave Moore Tony Mayberry. I always founding Tony hilarious, great guy, and he can talk. He's a good talker and I always thought he was hilarious. And he's also you know, most offensive linemen when they leave the game either go

one direction or the other. They tend to get bigger or a lot smaller defensive lineman too. Tony is in great shape. He's a lot thinner than he was as a player. Uh, And so there wouldn't be he was taking taking up as much terrific. He's all around one of the better probably one of the more underrated bucks. And then um, you know, not not great channel probably. I'm just afraid he would be like he would be controlling where we stopped, Like he would be the one

that gets to the side everything stop. And if I didn't like what he chose where we're gonna eat, that would be my problem. So, um, I think I might also like to take one guy from the current team. And you were just talking about him, Pancho Alan cross Is. I'd like to he he'd have stories I haven't heard before. You know what, I think I want to get in your car? No more room. That's a great question because if you start looking at all the personalities and and

you know, you catch you off guard. And I just thought of, you know, more of personal relationships that I have with people, and not necessarily everybody together, but there's some really terrific there's some really interesting people that have come through, you know who would be fun and we gotta wrap this up. But before you you know it would be fun. But he said players of coaches, But

what about Doctacho? I mean riding on the bus with him and hearing his stories and hearing him like critique movies randomly see But now you're getting I would love now that that I think about it, Monty Kiffin would be and a half. He was a great I think we're gonna get need to get a bus? Yes, yeah, yeah, that would be that great question. Yeah, good question, Dave, just Davins. Hopefully we get more questions next week. Although that was plenty. I mean two questions enough. That was good.

But we you know, sent him in. We like to talk about this stuff. It can be anything you want, and we can do current stuff too. We're just not what we did. We did the only understand but I you know, Dave's kind of irritating me about being you know, going back to ninety one, like that's a long time ago. Really yeah, well you got both of us, but five six years ago, who was the president at the time, and that would have that would have been Bush, the first Bush. Yes, so that was a long time ago.

All right, Jeff, thank you, and we give our thanks to Dave as well. Yes, yes, and so wow I am because one of the complaints I got complaints, yes about the podcast suggestions suggestions, It was that it just kind of sounded like we just ended. So would you want to have a musical number before we well, we're gonna have a little bit of music, but I'm gonna just say this and you know what sort of ready since you did. Thanks for listening,