Salty Dogs Podcast with Dare Ogunbowale

direty touchdown tampl Day, Derek Books, spariable player. You're a national football like third ass Tuck Daggers, And where are you gonna win the Super Bowl? We call them the Salty Dogs and greetings everyone to the Salty Dogs Podcast. Week Uh, I guess week four of the regular seasons. Damn man, you're pretty chipper after that game, I'm trying to beat. Well. I noticed to when I listen to these that the music is really loud at the beginning, So if I don't yell, you can barely hear me. Well,

Mr producer, I was gonna say, I'm just burying. At some point, you're gonna have to listen to me talk because that is kind of a boat. Well, I'll lower the music even more so that you can hear Scott Smith and Okay, Jeff Ryan, we are the salty Dogs and we're gonna have a thirty salty this morning. Yeah, we're feeling salty. We're gonna have darrycle Bawally and here special Teams captain uh former walk on at Wisconsin, guy

who has really fought his way to where he is now. Yeah, I want to hear about I'm looking for I really have not engaged with him, so I'm looking looking forward to it. He's pretty easy to engage with. Thanks, you're gonna like him, cool dude, like all right, okay, So before we do that, let's get let's have a happy time with Darry. So let's get the lame stuff all

the way first. Obviously, the Buccaneers are coming off a thirty two thirty one loss in which it would have been a win for all the things that I didn't go the way you wanted. If you make a thirty four yard field goal at the end, you win the game. And you're gonna make a thirty four yard field goal almost every time you would you would think, but you know, you have to go kind of way back and and um, I think it was your first year two playing the L A. Rams on a Sunday night. We had a

big league and nothing at halftime. You know what I remember the player remember from that game is ty J Armstrong, the big tight end who was basically just a blocker, like fight to the end. That was that game, wasn't it. I think that might have been ninety three, But in any case, he caught a pass down the seam and two Rams hit him, but they hit him from opposite sides.

It was like equal opposite force, and so they just both kind of they canceled each other off and bounced off each other and he ran for like an eighty one year a touchdown. But they I also remember that we blew that game and lost it. It was it was like that, is that what you're saying? I remember that, And then I think the only other one would be I want to say it was oh four against the Colts. No, that was two thousand and three that I don't want

to talk about that game. We've talked about the game too many times, so but but I'm saying that that's that feeling. But in this particular game. I believe that the way that way it started out, you had an eighteen point lead at to half, you're you're looking at all these things and you're thinking, this is this is good, this is how this team should be. Yeah, offensive offensively, Um yeah, listen, here's a ludicrous theory. I heard this

week that the Buccaneers. It was worse for the Buccaneers when Sae Kwon Barkley got hurt and left the game because we had we had formed our whole defensive game plan around stopping Sae Kwon Barkley. So when he's out, no, because the first of all, they were going to throw the ball. They were down eighteen, they were gonna throw the ball anyway, and if they had sake, when they had another good guy to throw the ball too, it

was it was a ludicrous theory. And in fact, somebody said, somebody kind of threw that Bruce yesterday and he said, no, you never, you never. Don't want a great player out there. But they were going to throw the ball anyway. They're down, they're not going to run it that much that we weren't having any success, which is true. We'd already shut down the run. We an't succeeded in that part of the game plan. So it's just a matter of our

secondary covering and we didn't get it done. So that's silly. Um, it's not like you go into a game and and yeah, and he said, and I agree that the number one issue was stopping especially and and make the rookie beat you. And unfortunately he did because of a misfield. And he beat you more with his legs than his army, although he had some. It was an impressive performance. And and you know, and and good for him, okay, and good for him. Um, I guess it. You know, I can't

feel too charitable about it. Let's talk about the field goal sequence. We need to talk about it, okay at the end. So before we get into that, let's talk about the extra points. Yeah. And the reason why is the NFL is getting what they wanted. And that was everyone was complaining, why are you wasting time kicking an extra point? It happens all the time, and the league says, okay, fine, we're gonna move it back. So it's really a thirty three yard field goal, which again you should make, which

you should make. However, if you look around the league, how many people are missing extra We missed too. One was blocked. The other night, the Sunday night game, there was a missed extra point and it kind of it. It made me stop for a second and say, there's no givens now, which is which is right? And so uh in that. But when you miss an extra point,

it does come back and haunt you. It feels, you know, you see that happen at the beginning of the the game, and you think, man, are we going to regret that at the end? Yes, two of them though was kind of egregious, but well yeah, I mean, I mean and and and I give credit to uh um to gay. He he stood there after the game and said, it's

on me. If I had made those two extra points, we wouldn't be in the Somebody alerted him that the media was about to come in and said, would you like to, um, you know, go go into the train room or something and you know, and have time to compose yourself before you tech me. He said, no, I'm gonna do it right now. Yeah, that's that's that's pretty impression. I mean, he knows his job, he knows what he's

supposed to do. He made four field goals, including a fifty two and forty seven yarder, and you know you even forget about that. I mean, you don't even think about that. He made four in a row, so you're thinking the last one, it's okay, this is gonna be great. So let's get to that sequence. Mike Evans catches the past four yard Yeah, and he got behind that. I don't know how a cornerback, let's you get behind him.

He I didn't see the move. If he didn't, if he if he didn't have to leap a little bit to go down, I might as he would have scored. So, um, he scores. I mean he's down to the nine. The Bucks were run up and spike it because they want to save their last time out because they want to run down the clock and then call the time out and kick it. Uh, there's procedural issues. Um we sub. They sub the ref standing over the ball, the clock is taking down. We take a delay of game penalty.

So now it's at the fourteen and then uh, the after that, the play is to run the ball to the other hash because they have found that Gay has if he has any issues, it's from the right. Hash pushes it, keeps it outside, so they wanted to get to the other hash, so that had lost two more yards. So now it's a thirty four yard field goal when it could have been a yard or twenty. It would

have been twenty seven from the nine. Okay. After the game, Bruce has asked about that, obviously, coach arians and says, and I'm gonna I'm gonna read these quotes because we need to talk about the disparity here. I just took it on purpose. That field goal is easier back five yards, no sense hurting. We wanted to move the ball over, put it in the middle, and make it an easy

field goal. Okay. And then yesterday that's what he said after the game, game at the podium, right, and then on Monday when asked about it again, Well, actually he too. He brought it up as far as the kick, when you're looking at it, we substituted, they substitute late the umpire standing over the ball. I'm not using a time out at that point in time. The play is not going to get run. So he took the penally moved the ball back. He's got to make that kick, and

we don't get it done. We're all feeling a whole lot better if we make a kick, and that's part of it, et cetera. And he said and then later it wasn't a matter of intentionally taking a penalty. When we ran our guys out, they get the substitute, certain the umpire standing over the ball, it's four, it's five, four or three seconds left on the play clock. I'm not going to call it time out and waste the

time out and then half thirteen seconds. Okay. There's a lot of coverage of this, and I don't think it's surprising that that you read, you hear these two things as a journalist, and you say, okay, he's contradicting himself where he's making up a new story. I don't think that's the case. I don't think it is either. Um. Okay, So when you when you read, if you well, there's one problem and I'll get to that. But none of this,

none of this really contradicts the idea. When he says we took the penalty on purpose, he means we knew we we went ahead, we knew we were about to get a penalty, but we'd rather have that than burn our time out. Okay. And that's reasonable because an NFL coach should expect his kicker to make it from twenty seven or from thirty two or from thirty four. It should all be pretty much the same. You would think it didn't. It wasn't because it barely missed, and it

might have been good from seven. But these two statements don't contradict each other except for him saying that field goal is easier back five yards. And I don't know exactly why Bruce said that, but I don't think we

need to take that literally, is Michael. I can understand why Jones would, and I get that, but I really believe the story here is that he meant we knew we were taking the peny and we didn't think there were consequences to take the penny as opposed to wasting the time out right, And if he makes the kick, you're not discussing this. Nobody has a problem with and

back they're going brilliant because you set it up properly. Yeah, I mean, any coach in the league would gladly take a thirty four yard field goal right there and expect to make it. And and he did too. And listen, and here's the other thing. They're not wrong. I there's you've ever seen a win probability chart and win graphics like during the game, based on many many other games, in situations that have happened, who's most likely to win?

You know from this point forward, and you know you're upped. When we're up twenty ten and a half, our win probability was very high. Okay, certain players can make it go up and down. Um. When we were lined up before the the uh, the penalty, we were we had an eighty two point two percent chance of winning that

game according to win probability chart. After taking the penalty, it dropped all the way to eighty two point zero, So that penalty costs you two two of one percent, two tenths of one percent of a chance to win the game. It wasn't consequential. I know that the story is consequential because these statements sound in a way contradictory. But I don't think they are, you know what I'm saying.

I don't know exactly why coach Arean said that field goes easier back five yards and that's really why this has become a story. Um. But he also, in that same sentences, no sense hurrying. That's the important part. Well, the other thing, too, is Bruce and speaks, just speaks. He doesn't really have a check valve. And it's refreshing. Um when you ask a coach a question, he gives you an answer. And now there's another side to that, because a lot of times coaches get to the point

where it doesn't matter what I say. You're going to spend a lot of time dissecting it, and if it's not favorable, as in with winds, then you're going to have this. I think I think the storyline is more if you look at this game, there were other opportunities that that did not happen. There was a third down that did not happen. And if you get that cam braid, if you hit that and I'm not it looked like it was gonna work. I thought we had it. Yeah,

And I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying in this situation, you know, you have all these plays and then at the end of the game, you sit back and say, Okay, there's three three there's all these little three players. You say, if that happened, this is you know, would have been a win. Um, yeah, you can always do that, yes, and so so you know you look at it at that part I think also are the red zone efficiency was not there. It's been the biggest problem for us.

We're thirty one in the league. Like touchdown. If we were one of five in that game, one of four in the first game, it's a it's a big problem. It needs to be fixed right away. What about that? Yes, and then and and as I just said, Bruce arians speaks his mind, and he came out and said the secondary was not very good, had a bad game, and and they did some kind of bust on that big play to Sterling Shepherd on the on the touchdown drive

that won the game. An x buck. No, that's Russell Shepherd. Shepherd. Russell Shepherd is a giant. They have a sterling shepherd who made that. I got my shepherds confused. Um, it was just a sheep of another clothing. Wow, I'm sorry if I pulled the wool over your eyes. You're ramming that in there. I didn't think you're going to join in there. There's a close for sure. I heard what you said. Um, for all the part of fans out there, this podcast is taken a great turn. And here's here's

here's another crazy thing. It's just the Giants luck they want a Super Bowl and tamp on a missfield goal. So I mean yeah in the old sombrero, right, Yeah, Yeah, the Buffalo Bills their first of four Super Bowl losses. Sorry Bill fans, Yeah, because there's lots of Bills fans listening. Well, you never know. Um wait, did you have something you need to get too? Because I wanted to continue with what we're just talking about ahead. So after the Cambra play, Yeah,

it was right around and maybe our thirty five yard line. Um, I don't know if you noticed, but they were, first of all, I think they were measuring, So it took a little while. Our offense stayed out there on the field for a long time. It really looked like we were contemplating going for it there and and that's not something you're talking about. The fourth and one after the camera after cam break got tripped up. Let me see here it was. There was three and a half minutes

left in the game. Uh, and we were at our own thirty one. You're not going to see a coach go for it with a six point lead at his own thirty one almost ever. But it really looked like it contemplated. Jeff and actually those numbers that that people talk about. The analytics suggest that you would have been better off going for um. Either way. They have to score a touchdown to beat you, but you're giving them

a short field. But you also might have more time left afterwards, so you need to stop either way if you don't get to stop. But you know the coach would counter, well, yeah, but if we make them go eight yards, it's a lot harder and going thirty yards. Um. And really we came one play and maybe a stunt in the middle of the field, Dave stunted around the side Dominicans who didn't go over the middle. If it was a job, I don't know. And so Dan Jones all of a sudden sees the red Sea parting from

him and run straight up. It was fourth down. We'd stopped three plays. We might have stopped them. We had every receiver doubled. I mean, it was that close. And then and then he still managed to come back and and get in position to win the game. Um. But I don't mind him not going for it there, I I will say. And and again second guessing is just for the fun of it. And these coaches know what

they're doing way more than I do. But I will say when we had before the last field goal, when we we ran on third and two was a read zone. It was his own read option. Apparently, uh, and apparently it was the right decision for James to hand it off to Peyton. He didn't need to get a touchdown, just need to get two yards. We just didn't get it blocked. Well, I would have gone for it on fourth down there, up by three. Yeah, we kicked a field the goal to go up by six, because I'm thinking,

either way they have to get a touchdown. It doesn't change the fact that the touchdown will beat us, whether you're up three or you're up six. Well, I think if it the play didn't just work, why I go again, well, don't don't run the same play. Well, I understand, but I in fact, when I saw us run, not realizing that was a read option, I thought, Okay, if you're running on third down, you're clearly planning to go four

downs here. But we kicked a field goal. I'm just saying, if you score a touchdown there with six minutes left and you're up by ten, I think you you're gonna win the game. Um. And that's the thing that's that's The thing with all these fourth down decisions, it's you tend to think, probably as a coach. I don't know, I've never been one, but it's certainly as if viewer. You tend to think of, oh God, what's gonna happen if we don't get it. That's your first thought. That's

the that's the that's what drives your decision. If we don't get it. Here's the problem. I don't think we think enough about if we do get it. You know, the the potential reward to me is enough to take the risk. Maybe not in that one after Cam, when we're at our own thirty that's awfully risky. Um. I would have applauded if we did it, But I don't know if I can pull the trigger if I was the coach. But I I think the risk the reward was worth. The potential reward was great enough to take

the risk on fourth down at the five yard line. Um, if you don't make it, they still have to score touchdown to beat you. They could tie you, but they still score touched on beat you in there at their own five yard line. You know, I do? I do? You know? But again, before you answer the caveat always is. Bruce arians and his staff have about a thousand years of coaching guess and I had none. Yes, so I

then I don't like second guessing. I'm just saying it wasn't in my point, this wasn't a second guess because at the time, like I think we should go for it. Yeah, it's a discussion, it's not it's not but theoretical, yeah, and the same would go for uh, you know why I kicked the field goal? Why not try to score the touchdowns? I said, yeah, well that was what I'm saying. But but I'm you know, the the I'm talking about

at the very end, the very end, I know. And as soon we were at lunch yesterday and someone said to me, why didn't they go for a touchdown? And we're talking risk rewar and I looked and I said, you only need three points. Yeah, and if you go for the touchdown and uh, you know, if you're gonna pass,

you know, only three things happened. Two of them are not good, all right, if you have a fumble, what's the first thing everybody says, But it's just you know, that's that's what makes football so much fun, is that when the game's over with. You can talk about it and you can dispute this that the other um. I think that the most surprised people in the stadium were the Giants. You know that they won. Yeah, your your thing. They're um about going for a touchdown. It's the same

risk reward discussion. In that case. I don't think the reward is worth the risk because the risk is too great because you are going to win the game with the thirty four yard field goal. You're gonna win. Every coach in the league will take a thirty four yard field goal to win the game every single time. You're gonna make that kick almost every single time. I almost I And there's one thing about this there's something different about this loss. There's and I can't put my finger

on it exactly, but and you feel it too. I mean, well, yeah, because when when, for whatever reason, it just seems like this loss is you kind of stopped for a second, go how did that happen? You know? I feel like we've had a number of those in recent years. Yeah, but this one wasn't. I shouldn't have lost this game. No, But you know that's why it's sixteenness of football. Yeah,

I mean, that's that's what it is. Um, you know it's going to It's unfortunate because you know, when you look at the schedule, you start going, Okay, we're not going back to Raymond James Stadium until November ten. That's that's where we're going. And yes, uh, there's a bye weekend there, but you're coming off of a trip to London and you know, debts, and then you're headed the Tennessee and then Seattle. So yeah, there's two West coast

trips in there too. Yeah. Well yeah, and and and it's short weeks because on Friday we had to California. We get back in probably about four in the morning on Monday, and then we're trying little things right, and then we turn around and go to New Orleans on Saturday, and then we turn around and go to London on Thursday. So you are now in short weeks from here until we get back from you know what. The great thing about that New Orleans Triple be short when we're coming back, Yeah,

because you love that place. Um yeah, and I think so, so this is gonna be uh maybe maybe it will be a fun stretch. I'm gonna go with that. I'm gonna look at it. Yeah, it's gonna be right right. But you know what, the one thing I know about the NFL is there's games you win that you didn't think you had a prayer in, and then there's games that you lose. For sure. How is that? And if you look at around the league, we're backup quarterbacks played well,

uh uh? Teddy Bridgewater played well in in Seattle, which I think they damn I lost a home game there and who knows, you know, they're just that's crazy. Kyle Allen played well for the Panthers, very well. Yeah, and they yeah, finally they didn't won a game. And how many Ryan Griffins Price sitting there going, Uh what am I going to get my chance? Yeah? One more thing before we get to our guests, we we have to talk about Shack Barrett. What what can you say? Eight sex,

eight sex, Jeffy eight sex in three games. It's an NFL record, and he would say that that is a successful free agent signing and just so what people need to go. He is probably one of the nicest guys and humble. We had him out at the Bucks Total Access show locally in Tampa at Hooters. It would be Monday night was last night because we're recording this on Tuesday.

A lot of people came out a lot of people came out, and he was so gracious, um, taking photos and signing autographs and just you know and very like, very unassuming that all of this is happening. But you know, you gotta be happy for him because when he was in Denver, you know, he's only twenty six. We had him on the show, he had he he was like,

I've said this already on the show. So this is not just because of the eight sex, but I love this kind of signing where you take you find a guy who has shown promise for another team, but because of what they have, he didn't necessarily get of the opportunity that maybe he deserved. And that just happens. Like Hardie Nickerson, Hardie Nickerson came here for a bigger role and and obviously it suited him. Well, it's exactly what

I liked about the signing when it happened. I said it beforehand, not after all these and um, it's exactly what is happening. You're taking a guy, You're saying, Okay, I see a lot of promise here in this limited role. Let's see if with a bigger role that multiplies, and it certainly has and and what's happening to is something that hasn't happened, and that is the fact that guys are getting double teamed and someone's getting free. And that's always been something has to win their one on ones.

That's exactly what is happening. He's got eight or nine sacks and um. I heard in Dominicans Wu said something on the sideline in this last game like, uh, you know he's getting the one of ones because our interior lines playing so well and they're getting double teamed and um, and he's like, yeah, that's our job. That's what Sue says. It doesn't matter that he doesn't care. He says, this is our job and and it's but the point is you create those one of ones, but you have to

win those one of the ones. And we have not been doing that with Simeon Rice. I mean, JPP and Carl did to a good amount last year, um, but overall through decades are decade or so, we haven't been. We haven't a guy that's consistently winning is one of the ones, and he sure is. And what I think was going to be fun to watch is okay. Now they've got two really strong games on him, multiple sacks and two straight games, right now are they? Yeah? What

are they? What will they do? Well? You gotta you gotta think about it and think about I mean, I'm sure he lines up on the he generally lends up on the weak side. No, he doesn't. He lends up on the strong side. But the thing that I you know, it's crazy, It just is when you think about how many sacks and good for him because he's got bonus claws in there. And last year, last year, we were like, oh, is GPP gonna getten? Are we gonna finally have a guy a double jugit sac guy for the first time

Sam Rice in two thousan five. Is he gonna get there? And he gets there? Now, Shacks almost there already three games. But but that's a that's a hard go because now you got you're sitting at eight with three and then every you know, he gets a sack of game and here he goes, oh he's slacking. He only got one

sack today. So you know the fact that that that last kick missed by about five inches probably means Shack won't win his second straight defensive because they don't generally give it to guys, but he would deserve it if he would won that game. I think it was a slam duck. Not only four sacks but two force fumble and he also had another one that was rightfully called an incompletion, but it was pretty darn close to a fifth sack on a third force fumble. Yeah, so crazy

good stuff. And that's that's a that's a good free agent. That's what happens. And let's see where if it continues. We find guys that way. Sometimes you find a guy by um he what didn't get drafted, His bounced around the practice squads and you bring him in to your practice squad and then he proves himself. And we're gonna talk to a guy like that right now. And who is that going to be? Mr Dorry ogoomble Way you said that so well, it's really not as hard as

it looks. I'm not even sorry. I'm sticking with Darry. Okay, Well, let's get him in here and we'll be back in just a minute to have a nice lung chat with Mr Ogomba the Salty Dogs And we're back here on the Salty Dogs podcast, And this is everybody's favorite part the middle. Second, it's not yours. No, it is okay because I get to talk to someone else. That's Jeff Ryan throwing shade at me. I'm Scott Smiths though, and

joining us now is Darry O Goomba Wally Darry. Thanks for your time, man, it's an off day for you guys. Then no problem at all. Okay. Man got a little treatment, got a little podcast, and exactly it's got a smile on his face, always, always, always, Why is that? I don't know. Man's happy, Man's blessed, very blessed. You know the way things have been working out for me, and it's hard not to smile. Really, I like it. It's a good attitude. We should find that it's too late life.

It would be the smiles my wife would. So this is Team Captain, Dario gumbali Um Special Teams Captain. And when that happened and I asked you about it, I was one of the people staying around you and asked you about it. You said your teammates appreciated you know, your path to where you got here and the things that you've overcome and gotten through. So let's talk about that. I mean, I know I gets unless it starts earlier. I know you're a walk on at Wisconsin. Is that

is that the first was that where we should start? Yeah, we can start. I mean how about high school? Yeah? High schools coming so so going back? So high school. UM, a soccer guy. I grew up playing soccer. My dad um had me and my sister playing soccer from I was about four years old when I first started playing soccer. And I played soccer all the way through so my sophomore year of high school. But uh, weird things started happening with the soccer team at high school that I

ended up quitting. And then I started playing football when I was a junior. Um, because you know, soccer and football are different seasons. So um, that's really when I started playing football. And I was a cornerback, um, cornerback nickelback in high school. And then I was able to walk on because of the relationship my high school coach had with the uh the cornerbacks coach at Wisconsin. So then I then the story starts as the walk on

walk on at Wisconsin as a cornerback. And then you became a running back, which I gotta believe that being a running back at Wisconsin is a good life. It was. It was fun to kind of joined that whole fraternity of Wisconsin and uh, it definitely was a lot more fun. I would say it's usually about five and an amazing line. Yeah,

we had a good old life. We had young guys my last couple of years at at Wisconsin, and um those guys ended up growing up and now they're all over the league now and then, um so, but yeah, we we always keep a good, good stable alignment. Did you did you watch Saturday's game? Yeah, of course, I just checked. I knew they were gonna be Michigan. I mean Michigan was overrated going there. Yeah, Wisconsin is good. We got a good team this year. I'm a big

tang guy too. I love it not that I played football. Um So, then you did not get drafted and your first stop was Houston, Right, so you've been on practice squads there, Washington here, and practice squad is an awesome way for guys to eventually make it on the team, as you did, but it's not a guarantee. How did you feel that whole It took a couple of years, I mean, did did you Were you sure you're gonna be where you are now or or was it trials

and tribulations. Yeah, I mean I've definitely trials and tribulations. Um. When I was with the Texans, I mean I thought I was in a good situation. I was, and um,

but we ended up making changes. Then I went to to Washington and I ended up getting active for the last two games this season, which was awesome, you know, getting the chance to play play uh, playing games, and then um, then the next year comes and I'm here in the practice squad and then get at them again and get to play kick return and things like that, and um, definitely didn't you know, think it happened this quickly, you know, being on practice squad last year and I'll

being being captain this year. Um, that's definitely a blessing. But it definitely was a what we're tough times, you know, being on practice squad and like you said, I'm not having that uncertainty week to week and things like that. But things have definitely been working out. How do you how do you work through that? Because in the practice squad you gotta you gotta be ready as if you're gonna play. And then on Sunday comes and they say, Okay, you go sit over here. Yeah. Yeah, how hard is that?

It's tough, you know, I mean, especially when when you feel that you are competing with the guys. You know, you're making plays and you feel like you you you're good enough to be out there on the field on Sundays. It's definitely tough. Um once you're Once Sunday comes, you gotta sit up in the suite with the other with the other ten guys on and watch the game. But you know, like like it's part of the part of the journey, and it was part of when you go undrafted.

That's definitely a probable situation that you'll find yourself in, and you know it, it's fun still. You know, you still getting to play football through the week and you're still getting to compete, and he's still part of the team in the locker room, so all that stuff. It's easier to find the positives in it than the negative and I think that's what got me through. Does it make it sweeter now that that you're on the roster

because you work so hard to get there? Absolutely, And that doesn't go I mean guys that go draft in the first round, it's still sweet. For them and say, everyone has their own journey, so I'm not gonna make it seem like mine. But I definitely appreciate my story and my journey, and it's real, real awesome now being being where I'm at. So socceranted, what if you hadn't found football, what do you think you'd be doing? I talked about that my sister all the time. Who knows, man,

who knows? I honestly can't guess. I'm I was an econ major in real estate minor in at Wisconsin. So if I'm not in sports, I would probably I would probably find myself doing something in that at least to start out and then maybe found a different passion. But who knows, man, it's a mood point. There's a mood point. So you you brought it up. You know, every every interview with you doesn't have to be about your sister. And we talked about that. We weren't really going to

bring it up unless you brought it up. It's like we're the lawyers, and he brought he put the evidence in. Uhrique is that pronounced it? Might pronounced that? So she's in the w n B A and was obviously a superstar at order name. Um, we had Jack Sitchy in here a couple of weeks ago, and he was complaining about how it took him till he was about thirteen years old, thirteen or fourteen years old to be able to beat his basketball. You probably had similar did you have?

How how are you against her basketball? Well, growing up, I was always bigger as my younger sister, and uh so I was beating her all the way up until like through high school and maybe even the first couple of years in college. But then something happened. And I don't even know if it was the talent things. She always had talent, but she just got this level of cockiness, man, and it was just like, I can't beat this. Good night. So so she beat me once and I'm like, I

ain't playing it. I'm not about to lose. I can't going to lose a streak against my younger sister. So I was in so there's no more one on one. Well play horse, and she'll obviously beat me in that. But you know, she's a special special town. I love talking about it just because I mean we knew me

and my family just knew it was gonna happen. We knew she had all these god given talents and and then once the hard work started coming with it, I was like, all this girls special when your mom was at the athlete to Yeah, she she's in the Ring of Honor at DePaul. She played softball at De Paul. And my dad he grew up in Nigeria, came to America in his twenties and he played soccer in Nigeria.

He actually lived in England also he played rugby over there. So, um, does he does he think that you're playing a soft version of when he came to America, he actually loved football right away, like he uh, we moved to Wisconsin. He became a big Packer fan, and he like one of the first things he got, he got this big entertainment system down in our base. And that was when entertainment had the big wooden, big wooden thing that you can just see now. You don't want to see it.

Back then, you wanted to see how big to speak. And so everyone come over and watch Packer games every Sunday. Um all his friends that came from Nigeria with him, they're all watching the Packer games together. And Um he learned the game of football just from watching and now he loves football. It's probably his favorite sport to watch. He's gonna be in heaven the first time you're playing Oh well Tech. We played at Lambo Pil. We played against l s U when I was at so he

already got to watch me. You you seem to um step up a beat when you start talking about your family. You're a pretty low key guy. You get a Nike deal and you don't say anything about it, and your sister has to tweet it out. Yeah, like you said, I'm lucky. I don't, you know. I let let things speak for themselves. But my sister, she uh, like I said on the back, actually's not like that. So she definitely made sure that people knew about it. That's that's

the part that people. She probably has a deal too. It was welcome to the family, so I think it was it was like I'm bragging out my brother, but I'm also twisting a little bit. That must be every parents dream to have two kids Nike deals. Yeah, do you have another siblings too? Don't you have an older brother? Mario? He he played sports in high school, but he's more of our supporter now. He lives back in Milwaukee. And uh comes to every game he can come to. And

yeah that Mario Mario. Yeah, that doesn't seem to flout the rest of the name. That's what we call him. Oh yeah, did your did your dad meet your your mom here in Milwaukee. My mom she was born in California and raised in Rockford, Illinois. Oh, that's why you got that real low key style. That's what it is. That's where it comes from. Okay, do you know why

your dad ended up in Milwaukee? So when he first came to America, like the beer that he does enjoys, but he's a highly and got Milwaukee's do a hiding. He and Guinness. I don't know what that's againness at least get tastes well. I think it doesn't taste like anything. I hope he listens to this. But now he moved to Seattle on right away. He had friends in Seattle that came from Nigeria with him, and then um, he ended up getting like a scholarship to University Milwaukee, UM

and Wisconsin Milwaukee and that's what ended up. And then he became a educator and then now he's an administrator. Now he works with the superintendent in Milwaukee awesome. So your dad's an education. Yeah. I don't normally get into personal things, but that's not true. But every time it's true. He always asked about a significant Well it's you know,

I'm not I'm not even going down that road. I'm just looking over and I see you have this tank top shirt on, and we were talking about the way over. I wasn't gonna bring it up. You know, it was him. It's a snake skin and not everyone can wear that, but I will say, you'll carry it really, really well. His teammates in the wait in the k didn't agree. But you're you're wearing it really well. But wearing that

it also shows your tats. So I'm just curious, because you're wearing a A A A shirt like that, should you be able to say, oh, by the way, I do have some ink on me. Uh any significance to what you have? They all do, man, So I kind of whisker to Waring podcast so I could sew it. But now I got some of my legs, my arm, just a lot of family stuff. I have e f

A means you love in my dad's language. Yo. I got my mom's name, my siblings, birthdays, um, I got a Zeus tattoo on me, Me and my brother who used to be into Greek mythology when we were younger. It's just a bunch of mostly like you said, mostly family stuff, A little bit of things everywhere. Man mythology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we used to. How did you get into that? I think I learned about it in school one day and I came home it was like, yo, Mario, you know

who Thor and Mars? And I mean it is pretty traumatic stuff. Did you act it out? Now? He's just he's just looking up. We had just gotten the Internet at home because of my dad through a school, so we just google. I don't even know if he googled it, oh my gosh, but he searched it and like yo zoos, oh is Neptune? And yeah it was cool. We just got into and got a tattooed on me. It looks it looks solid. Thanks. I appreciate. Yeah, I wish you know now. Yeah, you know, we've we've had Darry here

for more time than I said we've been. We'll get here. We haven't talked. We haven't talked about bucking football. Maybe we should do that at something well, we can do

that he had three catches. Uh. Last I saw the great screen passed to Ronald Jones in that game, and I tweeted something about it because the screen passes have not been this team strength for a long time, and that was a great one to say, that's probably the best one I've seen a while, and I thought, well, we did have Daria wasn't the same similar play though? Well you Isn't it funny that you know, never really

think about players remembering it. I forgot that that he didn't, but he brought it up, and that's it's honestly, you would think like all the games I've played and plays I've played, but I people you can bring up plays and guys always remember the specifics of It's pretty crazy. It's really crazy. You've been kind of I don't know if you you follow fantasy football. I don't, but I did notice that you're like the sleeper pick everyone everyone

you have. What I haven't noticed that people chats and they're always talking about that. I don't really like to talk about fantasy with my homies, just because it's like, yeah, it's my job, let's not just be talking about your fantasy team. But you know that I did get a bunch of texts about me being added and people stashing me away and people are dying. I stopped playing fantasy and teen when I came in last after Yahoo said I had the best draft, and then I end up

coming in last. It is just like all that means is, yeah, who compares where you picked guys to where they had him ranked? So exactly, it's got It'scot's big, big into it. In fact, he is competing against some fans. I don't want to talk about it. This week and the last couple of weeks he's been really bragging on it heavily and he has not brought it up. So I scored a lot, but I lost and we'll talk about it later.

So the reason that you could be a legitimate fantasy add is because you're you're getting a lot of third down steps and um, you so you could catch passes for you know, you might run the ball as well, but probably catching passes the most likely thing, which is a great fancy because you've been a point for a catch too. Um, did you think that was your best shot at being in the offense? Was being like a

third third down time back? Here? For sure? In the offense, I've got two great backs and Joe and Peyton, and those guys move the ball, you know, first and second down and then third down comes in and I can still run the ball. But my my biggest strength, I would say, is is my in thea ass in game, whether that's in protection or running route. So yeah, definitely, uh kind of carved that roll out and between that and special teams that I like. Where my role is,

um just making sure I continue to make plays. Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be able to block Irena. Is that a matter of Is that a matter of just being strong or is it more technique and knowing what's going on. It's a lot of it, But I would I would probably say the biggest thing is just

having the knowledge of the defense. You know, because now once you get in the league, these defensive coordinates are real creative and guys coming from everywhere, So you gotta make sure you see the mic point and so I'm good at that, you know, I'm good at picking that up. And I would say probably starting on defense kind of helped me out, being able to recognize where the Russians are coming from, seeing the rotation of the safeties, and

stuff like that. So but then at the end of the day, you just gotta it's got to be make sure you don't get runn over once you once you pick your guy. I don't this. We're supposed to be having fun here, so we don't want to talk a whole lot off the last game. Always funny you say that because I was sitting here and he's been it's been really going well, and I'm kind of like, do I really want Usually our guests have stormed out by Yeah,

Usually usually they don't, they won't let last long. But I mean Sunday's game was it was it was, Yeah, it was well. As someone said to me, it was a slap in the face. So where do you go from here? And you got you the team you really should be too in one for maybe even three, and oh that first game out of way a little bit. I mean, where do you go from here? The same same way we did after the first game. You know, we lost one at home that we all felt we

should win. We definitely felt that we were the better team and just left a lot of stuff out there. But then we went to went to Caroline. We were to take care of business, so um, kind of the same thing happened last on Sunday, and then we just make sure we go out to l A and take care of business again. You know, we we know we have a good team. You know, we know you have a really good team. Obviously, our defense is playing great

football and offenses showing signs of playing great football. We just got to bring it up, you know, and be more consistent, and I think I think we'll be able to do that. So but not obviously, it's sucks being one of two, especially the way we lost those two games.

And but you know, we we we'll take care of business and we'll get back on the I mean, you're not gonna play home game, No, it's it's gonna be fun though, you know, you like you like the home games, of course, but we're gonna get to playing some some fun stadiums and get to go to London. Then it'll be a good it'll be a good stretch of game. Have you been overseas before? Have gone? I have? You know,

I have. I have family in London to which is would be cool to have come to the game, and my dad's cousins still lived there and uh no, yees, so I've I've traveled, but uh, it should be good

being with the squad over there. Yeah. What I what I've noticed though, is everyone we've talked to and even after the game, everyone feels when I say everyone players, they feel like this is a good football team, and it seems like, you know, we're beating ourselves rather than other teams beating us, for sure, and it's definitely frustrating when that's the case, but also real, you know, optimistic about it, because once we stopped beating ourselves, once you

stop these small, you know, random errors throughout the game, you know we will be able to play some beautiful football that I think things are gonna start to start working out for us real. Well, but like you said, I mean, it's just small things where we just have lapses and games where we'll beat ourselves and we've gotta stop that. Well, let's let's we we could end it on this because I have not heard anyone ever use the adjective beautiful football. I like that. It's the beautiful game.

It is a beautiful game, and this is a wonderful, beautiful podcast. Let's let's let go enjoy the rest of his day off. We appreciate your time we kept you here longer than I promise, was a good time, something like no problem, man, thank you for having me The Salty Dogs. All right, we're back here for our last segment on The Salty Dogs podcast. And uh and the music is low right, so you can hear me? Can

hear me? Can you hear me? That was great with Darry I especially like especially like we're I. I always tell these guys we'll shoot for ten minutes, and usually today's a day off, but usually it's there in the middle of a schedule and they got to get to a meeting or something, and so, uh, you know, we might run a minute or too late. I look over your your stop watch there and it says eleven minutes. I'm like, well, we we're already, and Dari's like, yeah,

he's waving whatever. Proud to you notice that? Yeah? I didn't. I didn't know about that question when you started it. But it ended up you got a little concerned, didn't you. Yeah. I don't know. If if I are there guys that like to talk about their tattoos and others that don't, I don't know. But if you're wearing a sleeveless sleeveless shirt with a kind of low kind of low by the way, it was snake skin print. What did I say leopard? Oh? I don't know. I can't remember. I

couldn't remember. I was trying to didn't think you actually said okay, because I was trying to decide whether there's a leopard or as look like, yeah, go with snake. Snake sounds better than than you know. He'll probably hear this podcast and make sure we know that it was snake. He may have to retire the shirt or at least just not word into work because he he look good. He carried it well, he really did. You need to get yourself on. You're gonna get one. Maybe we'll get

a photo of both of us. We should get snakes the official shirt of the Salty Dogs. Yes, we'll sell him and everything. But um, great story. Yes for Dorry, great guy. You love to see those guys succeed. And he and he and he and his sister is really good at basketball. That's great. I love he played you. She beat him once. He's like, nah, I'm done. You know what. I kind of did the same thing with my son, did you. Yeah. Once he got the he

could totally destroy me in basketball. Now, now, is that because he was beating you or because you're a sword loser? And there's a little bit of both on there. Thank you for your steve. Once he could beat me in basketball, I just stopped playing beast. Why why would you with your friends? Yes, why would you do that? I mean what you're getting beat? Why would you contain the point? Yeah? Kids try I want to beat dad because that's their goal.

What's that happens? That was like? That was like video games too, you know, the we or whatever. When he was little. I never really cared that much about video games, but I played them with him. And then early on you're letting him win, and then it gets the point where you're even, and then that's kind of fun for a year or so, and then they can destroy and then and then you're tossing the wei around. All right,

what do we got? All right, we got questions. You kind of knew that well, because this is that's what this is. This is alright. First notice, we call him questions. We don't say the mail bag, or we don't say you know, do you want me to call him? You already got sack o mail. Yeah. Actually that's a good point because Um, I got this question is for the podcast, but I liked it enough that I stole it. I stole and wrote about in the mail bag, but I did say I would answer talk about it here too.

Um Hey, Scott and Jeff, this really is a great question. Okay, great interview with Kevin Minter. Thank you. And when you talked about having multiple months and being designated to where the green dot if Devin White went out, it led me to my next questions, why isn't Lavante designated as the backup plate called to Devon White? And for that matter, why while there are two MLB positions, are actually we call him I LBS but I know what he means.

It appears that they are different. Can you explain the difference between what Devin and Kevin do versus Lavante and Dawn and I can? Can you? I can? But the first question I got to think about that I don't know if I could, I would be honest. Well, I I, well, I'll be honest too. I I had a feel about it, but I went and talked to a Scouts just to give me, just to make sure I know what I'm

talking about. So let's start with the first part, which is why isn't Lavante the backup plate caller, And actually I think he is. It's kind of the difference between um, okay, let's say you're your your baseball team and you're, um, you have one really good short stop and you have a utility guy, and um, you have another really good short stop, maybe a triple A, and your your shortstop gets hurt. Well, to finish that game, you're gonna bring

in the utility guy. But moving forward, you're gonna bring up that guy from Triple A because he's a better short stop. In the middle of the game, Devin White gets hurt or close to the beginning, your plan while the game is in flow is to bring in Kevin Minter because a he calls plays in practice, so he and he has one in the helmets, and so does Lavonte. By the way, he has one of the you get three as we talked about last week during the game and he has one, So he's your guy to keep

it flowing. When you haven't prepared for, uh, Devin White being out, then Devin White, you know he's not gonna play the next week, So during that week you prepare for it. Because Lavante has called plays before. Now you practice all week with Lavonte's your play caller, and that's what you do. By the way, Lavonte had a really good game on something. Yeah, he really did. And we didn't talk about that in the beginning. It's the front was good, yeah, but but he did have a good game.

Sometimes you forget how good he is, yeah until you I mean until until you watch. Yeah, he he this defense and I talked about it last way. I think it is very good for him because our front line is doing a great job of keeping the blockers off of the linebackers, so they're flying around and making plays, especially Lavonte and especially with Devin out. It's it's glaringly

obviously good Lavonte. Guess um second half of that question, trying to explain our defense now with two inside linebackers, because in the fourth three we always said we had a middle linebacker Mike Kwon, a week side linebacker Lavante, and a strong side linebacker who was a number of different players and as the guy that comes out in nickel packages. Um, in this defense you call them both I lb s, but internally our coaches called him the Mike and the mo. Mike is what we used to

hearing because Mike means mental him Mike. We called him the Mike in the fourth three as well. That's Devin. He's your traditional inside linebacker generally. That guy is is bigger um than your week side guy in our case, and maybe probably not as fast. What made Devin the fifth overall picking the draft is he's a great middle linebacker, but he also could probably play weak side because he's so fast and arranging and athletic. But of the two

of them, he's bigger and he's your mic. He's more likely to take on blocks, and Lavante is more likely to be free um. Lavante plays the mo which is really very similar to what the will used to be. Three that got one of the guys like Shack Barrett, even though we call him an outside linebacker and we say we only have two linebackers, um, you know, to like off ball linebackers. Internally, they call him the Sam, which is what we always call it before. So it's

not and this is what coaches like gets confusing. It's more it's confusing, it is it's the same. That's what a lot of our coach has been trying to say all along. I mean, Todd Bowles comes in and oh, we're switching to a three four. Yes, that's true, but really a lot of the stuff is the same, a lot of when you're in overfront. When you take it, especially when you go to Nickel, our front looks very

much like it always has. So fans are trying to learn something new and they didn't know they are the new, crazy new. In fact, I was told that this defense is very similar to what we ran under a great Shiano. Uh, even though we called that a four three, And um, Lavante that's good because Lavante was fantastic. Remember that like seven sacks, five interception season that was under Ciano. And I know we don't like to talk talk about the Shiano ever very much, but Lavante was very good in

that defense. Um. I think that was two thousand thirteen, a second year. Uh. The other thing about that is so Lavante is the week side guy. Devon, Will Golston and Shaq Barrett always play on the strong side. They traveled together, as they say, so you know, strong side means the tight ends on that side of the line. So if if the tight end, they stand there and they see where the tight end goes. And those three guys traveled together, Will Galston who's your strong side defensive end.

It's perfect. It's the position he was drafted for under Greg Siano. It's so he's back to playing the exact position that our scouts thought he was a perfect fit for. And he is an underrated guy having a great year so far. Will so, Will Galston, Shack Barrett, and Devin White are the strong side. Lavante is always on the weak side. He's more likely. Devon is more likely to be taken on blocks, which means by the end of the year, you know, injury is notwithstanding, Lavante is probably

gonna be your leading tackler. Devon would be second, or maybe a safety. See what I'm saying. Well, so, um, yeah, so that's uh, that's so you definitely So basically, fans already know what they know. They just didn't know that they knew it. It's not that much different what Lavante is always done in just the coaches called mom linebacker m o um. Now, offensively, like the Giants defense is very similar to ours, but our offense refers to them as the mic and the jack for some reason. I

don't really know why. I know it's he always here, you know, the quarterbacks always pointing, usually he's pointing out the mic line back, and it doesn't matter what the other team considers the mike. It's what based on your scouting, your goal. Okay, that's the guy we consider the mike in this play, and identifying the mike tells a lot of the other players what they're supposed to do. Understand. Um. Cool. So there's your answer, Chris. Maybe you read it, but

if not, at least you're hearing it now. And if you're confused, go to Scott's melbag from last week. You can read it basically what I just say, the sact thing. And and yes, Kevin Mentor is more of a traditional middle linebacker and it's probably why he's starting while Devon's out instead of Dale Buchanan, who's a more versatile guy, not as big, and um probably would be in if Lavante was out. As we saw in the preseason, our middle, our our inside linebacker depth is surprisingly very very good

because we haven't even talked about Jack Sitchy. I mean think if he got in there, he'd be yeah, okay, good, yeah, moving on all right. By the way, that was from Chris from Orange County, California. Oh well, we're gonna be out almost coming in l A will be in l A County for the first tent sance n Just so you know the difference of the counties, don't. Yeah, Orange County is south of l A County. L A County is huge, but Orange, you know, is the whole area. Yeah,

Orange County is is Anaheim. Um. You know for the stereotype that everybody, everybody from that area always tells you exactly how they got somewhere. I'm gonna take the I don't know what the four four down to the Yeah, let me tell you what. Let Yeah, No matter what time of day out there, it is traffic. Yeah, yeah, you have cypress out there. Um, just there's a lot of you know, there is a little different because usually when you when you know southern California, they're very proud.

So if you're in Orange County, that's how they identify themselves. Kind of like here, when you say where are you from, Penellas County, Hillsboro County, Pasco? I usually just say Tampa. Yeah, but you're in Hillsboro County. You know, I'm in Carroll Wood. Yes, the land of every chain restaurant you could never want. Right. Next questions greeting salty ones. Just a real quick question here, Okay, cool, quick to answer that. Yeah, who has surprised you so

far this season on the Bucks? I know we're only a few games in, but is there a player or a couple of players who have done much better or worse than you expected? If you did, thanks for answering. That's kind of a little, a little different twist, if you did. If you did, Dylan B. I don't know, last name with held, apparently from Orlando. Uh, well, of course, Shack Barrett. You're right with that, and expected the disappointment would be gay in the last game, in the last game. Yeah, yeah,

I'll tell you I have not been. I've been a little disappointed that we can't get anything going on punt returns, kick returns, whatever, they it's a touchback every time. But you know, and I'm not a subject with me, and I don't know, and I'm not pointing fingers because I'm not saying it could be that our blockers aren't given them the chance. It could be the bob boy isn't

making the most of his opportunity. The only thing I've noticed, and here's the thing in college ball, you can stop and you can bob and weave and juke and you can get around somebody. You can't do that in the NFL. So you just need to hit it. And I think that's what is he getting anything to hit? I mean, Coach Arians did say that the we didn't do a good job my gunners unless Yeah, they're coming down pretty quick, but you just got to take off. You can't. You

can't just juke. And if you go back and look at the tape, that's what I say. Yeah, maybe he hasn't had an up. I don't know what, but but maybe some of both. But yeah, I thought we could get more of us. Yes, I do too. I I would agree with that. I'm not saying touchdowns ye, Jerry down an a thirty yarder, Yeah, just in the position, Yes, I would say, And shack was the obvious answer. Um, And I'm not necessary sure. This is so much a surprise as it's going even better than I would have thought.

Coach thought Arians thought we would be really hard to run on with Vitava and Sue Um and that has proven true. But also because of Will Golston is having a great year. So the Golston veya Sue combination it doesn't seem like anybody can run the ball up the middle of us. If if everybody performs at the same time, this is going to be a really fun ride. And that's going to be the key, whether that Cochea. The front was really good, but the secondary is bad, and

then special teams hurt you. So if if you if if at all, and that's what you know in fairness, that's what good teams do. They all come together. We have to prove that. We have to prove yes, all right, one more, all right, it's not actually a question, all right, it's a statement. Hey, Scott podcasts or even better this season, especially after a win. Thank you. This is from That's good because that means we're improving after each one. You're going up every day. You gotta get better. You can't

you can't stand still. This is from again a listening Bobby Muster. We've we've had questions from before, all right. I think sometimes he says Robert, sometimes he says to us, but to honor, no no Anna Ronnie Barber's introduction into the Ring of Honor. I cut together a video of his historic interception in the two thousand two NFC Championship game, which was the last hed to ever be scored in the VET before it was demolished. I hope you enjoyed, go Bucks And there was a link and I did

watch it. It was great. So it's like, uh, he cut in a lot of things, Like my favorite part was, um, the shots, the dejected fans, fans, It's just there's nothing better than that because that place just you just sucked, just got real quiet. Nobody was even yelling or screaming. They were just just staying there looking dejected. And he's got like five or six different spots where he's got fans. It's awesome. You know, we us look at how many times we played at the VET and just lost. It

was just place. It was a dumpy stadium and just everything and it's usually cold, just you know. Well, and then there's also a part where somebody says we shut down the VET. He's got a player say, I don't remember which one it was, and then he cuts to a shot of the VET being demolished. Everybody, Well, the best thing is is you shut down the VET with a loss, and the first game and Lincoln Financial Stadium, you you knocked them out too. So and then there

was another part. He's got Ran Day in there. Um, and you've heard this before. He said something like Pro Bowl, my ass, I'm going to San Diego something like that. You forget that. He he was salty about not only him but also Brian Kelly, who led the NFL interceptions with eight that year, didn't make the Pro Bowl. And I thought it was interesting. Every time Ron Day talks about going into the Ring of Honor, he always brings

up Brian Kelly. Yeah, Brank has one of the more underrated players we've had, but a Ring of Honor, I'm not percent sure, but definitely not underrated guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good guy too. Yeah, I got a good guy. So I wonder if he was back for this. A lot of guys were, Um, I didn't everybody. I was down in the reception, but I had responsibilities to do so I do in any case. I've talked to him in the years since one time, and yeah, I think

he's doing really well. I think he got into the film industry, at least at the time I was talking to him. That's all I got. Jeff, Well, that's good. We've This is a long one, isn't it. Yeah, it's a little longer, but you know it's we're just airing it out so to being right right, so I feel better grievances and then, uh, isn't that part of um the Seinfeld They made up a holiday? Which one the Christmas holiday? Yeah? It was? It was? It was? Oh yeah, I had a pole instead of a tree. I can't think.

I can't think of everyway, but I think people are screaming. Guy, how dumb can you guys be? I can't wait, seriously, just pause for a second. We can always cut out this pause pod, so I'm going to do. It's just just what you can look it up? Yeah, what what was it? Google? I'm going to google google it real quick. I may not cut this out, um, because fans love listening to two guys on their phone. Well, it's one of those you guys on their podcast, but they're laughing

because they're screaming, going screaming, think of something. I'm gonna try to sign something. Festivus Festivus. We didn't even like, don't he trying to look it up? Okay? I didn't even look at George's dad made yes, Okay, I thank I feel so much better. Whether or not this makes in the final gun, we'll say, hey, it's going to a right, Jeff take it away, all right, since you did, Thanks for listening.